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Nov. 13, 2020 - Bannon's War Room
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Bannons WarRoom Ep 497: Certified w/ Posobiec, Joe Hoft, & Epshteyn
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jack maxey
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jack posobiec
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steve bannon
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joe hoft
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joe scarborough
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anthony fauci
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greg manz
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jake tapper
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joe biden
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Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world.
You don't want to frighten the American public.
France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans.
But you need to prepare for and assume.
Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China.
This is going to be a real serious problem.
France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on.
Health officials are investigating more than 100 possible cases in the US.
Germany, a man has contracted the virus.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus.
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500.
We have to prepare for the worst, always.
anthony fauci
Because if you don't, then the worst happens.
unidentified
War Room.
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
chris wallace
Vice President Biden, final question for you.
Will you urge your supporters to stay calm while the vote is counted, and will you pledge not to declare victory until the election is independently certified?
joe biden
Yes, and here's the deal.
We count the ballots, as you pointed out.
Some of these ballots in some states can't even be opened until Election Day.
And if there's thousands of ballots, it's going to take time to do it.
joe scarborough
What do Republicans think about this on the Intel Committee?
What do Republicans across Capitol Hill think about this?
What do House Republicans think about this?
What do Senate Republicans think about this?
They're sitting there and they're putting our president-elect and they're putting these conversations in jeopardy all because they know that the person sitting inside the White House is being reckless and irresponsible.
And so they're not allowing the United States of America To have a smooth transition so Joe Biden, the next Commander-in-Chief, can be prepared when he goes in to actually protect, not just Democrats.
But Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Marxists, Anarchists, you name it.
330 million Americans.
Their safety depends on Joe Biden being able to prepare to be Commander-in-Chief.
And Republicans on Capitol Hill know he's going to be Commander-in-Chief.
And yet Mitch McConnell will not step forward and pressure Donald Trump to do the patriotic thing.
steve bannon
Welcome.
We heard Joe Biden, the feckless Joe Biden, the old man who's wandering around up in the, wandering around in the car park in Delaware, talking to the new newest line of Toyotas, Land Cruisers and what they call them, Crusaders and Gladiators, the new line of the 2021 Toyotas.
If you think you've won it, Joe, why don't you just claim it, grab it, you know, man up.
You're going to protect us.
You know, Joe, Joe Scarborough said he's going to protect us.
Look, the military, you get the whole thing, nothing changes.
It's still going, right?
And he's so feckless.
He's so weak.
It's very sad.
If you want to unite people, if you want to take, you want to, you think you won, if you want to claim that, it's very simple.
Do what you promised on stage.
What do you say?
We're going to wait to a certified vote, right?
Jack, Max, anything unclear about that?
jack maxey
Nothing unclear, Steve.
steve bannon
That was a direct question by Chris Wallace in debate number one, and that was a direct answer.
That's probably the most direct answer of any question that Biden answered.
That was the most direct answer, right?
jack maxey
That was.
steve bannon
Far be it from me to say that Joe Biden is the son of a car... was a used car salesman or a car salesman?
jack maxey
Either that or a coal miner, depending which personality he's working his way through that day, Steve.
steve bannon
We want to introduce our co-host, Jack Posobiec.
You can go ahead and take that call, Jack.
If it's a hot news tip, anything in the war room.
By the way, he dropped out of his first presidential race.
Because he ripped off the, it was Arthur, who's the, it was the... Neil Kinnock, the life story of Neil Kinnock.
Neil Kinnock, the tough coal miners son from the coal miner family who led the Labour Party.
jack maxey
A Welsh coal miner became Joe Biden's narrative.
And then he had to drop out and he blamed himself for having just gotten it all, letting it get away from him.
steve bannon
There was another thing too.
There was something about some plagiarism in college.
There was a bunch of stuff that kind of came up, right?
jack maxey
He claimed he was top in his class in law school.
That he graduated with three degrees in his undergraduate.
That he was this, that, and the other thing.
And in fact, Joe Biden is exactly what he was at 25 years old today.
A cheater.
A liar.
Someone who is not to be trusted.
steve bannon
By the way, we're going to start over the weekend.
We're going to start the new segment, multi-segment on War Room Pandemic.
It's going to be, we have the receipts, and it's going to be Jack Maxey weaponizing Hunter's hard drive.
Since Jack Dorsey, I saw Jack Dorsey walk around with Sean Penn, some bizarre photo of him, you know, out having a meaningful conversation with Sean Penn, another intellectual.
Where Jack Maxey's got the receipts, we're going to go back and do Weaponization of Hunter's Hard Drive Part 2.
Lynn Wood is down.
We've got tons of breaking news.
We've got breaking news.
We're going to report some all over.
We're going to try to contextualize this.
The Daily Mail has a story right today that says the President's strategy, his legal strategy, is to fight on all these things and force the states to actually certify this vote.
Right?
Which they shouldn't.
Joe Biden says that's when he... Joe Biden agrees.
He's on stage.
You know, everybody's got to certify the vote.
So we understand, certify the vote.
And they can't.
It ends up...
Back in Washington, in the House.
So the President of Daily Mail's got a big story by Jeff Earl, their senior political editor in the United States, that lays all that out.
And we have tons of breaking news, whether it's from Pennsylvania with the Assembly and legal, whether Michigan's stepping up now, the state Senate's stepping up and getting involved.
All throughout the nation, people are getting engaged.
Republicans are saying, hey, we're going to fight for this.
They're going to have to prove they didn't steal this, because it looks like right now they're trying to steal it.
They're trying to steal Trump's victory.
We've got Jack Posobiec, One American News.
We've got Greg Mance, two Pennsylvanians.
I want to understand what's going on in Pennsylvania today.
We've had a massive court ruling.
We've got the State Assembly engaged.
They're trying to find out.
There's a FOIA request.
Where are my naked ballots?
Where are those naked ballots?
So, I'm going to start with Greg Manzier to tell us what's going on, and then Jack Posobiec of One America.
Also, Lynn Wood.
He's tweeting out, and the Hoff Brothers out in St.
Louis, at Gateway Pundit, are tying this back to my, you know, Jack Maxson and I are kind of floating around here because they're tying it back to the CCP.
Can't get better than that.
That's home cooking, okay?
That's home cooking.
And it didn't even come out of the war room.
It just got served up to us.
All you've got to do, Lynn, is keep tweeting Chinese Communist Party.
The brothers in the war room are going to be on that, okay?
So just keep doing it.
I tell you, Russia's a sideshow to a sideshow.
CCP's the font of all evil.
And here's the great thing about Posobiec.
He's both a Pennsylvania guy.
He's one of these crazy guys running around in Instagram and all these parks, you know, owning the libs, right?
Owning Antifa.
Bless his naval intelligence, obviously speaks perfect Mandarin.
All the Chinese guys at GTV said they could listen to Posobiec all day long.
Pottinger and Posobiec are the two guys they can listen to.
They love their Mandarin.
What's happening in Pennsylvania?
greg manz
So the Pennsylvania Commonwealth Court gave us a big ruling today, and not so much for the amount of ballots that this impacts, but the fact that it sets precedent that the Pennsylvania Secretary of State, the guidance that she issued, does not have legal standing and authority.
So going forward, as this moves up to the Supreme Court for other cases, Correct me if I'm wrong, but she's been frozen in place now twice.
the way this is of affecting a couple hundred thousand, or sorry, excuse me, a couple thousand ballots, it can be expanded out to hundreds of thousands of ballots.
steve bannon
She's around, correct me if I'm wrong, but she's been, she's been frozen in place now twice.
Last Friday night, Alito froze her in place for the whole thing to keep the separation and they kind of, she had been misleading people.
And then this right here, that she's overstepped her bounds.
jack posobiec
Yeah, this was prior to the election once again.
steve bannon
Contextualize this.
Where does this put us and where does it put us particularly with her as a player?
jack posobiec
So what it does is this Secretary of State in Greg and I's wonderful home commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Kathy Bookvar, Who we've seen from her own Twitter account has said in the past that you shouldn't refer to Donald Trump as the president because it demeans the office.
unidentified
Awful, she's awful.
jack posobiec
So we can see her motive, we can see her bias.
She was making up the rules as she went along and the Commonwealth Court slapped her down pretty much as hard as you could slap down somebody saying you have no statutory authority.
Period.
And this is an originalist argument.
The fact that it's an originalist argument from the Commonwealth Court going all the way back to the statute in terms of her overriding, her unilateral override of election law from the legislature, Pennsylvania State Legislature, is going to absolutely carry water with Who we've been talking about originally, and already this year, talking about originalism, right?
These ideas.
This is Alito.
This is Gorsuch.
This is Kavanaugh.
We were sold on all of them that they were originalists.
Now, Amy Coney Barrett.
She is going to be in the mix on this because Pennsylvania State Supreme Court gets to rule next.
That's a Democrat bastion.
That's 5-2 supermajority of Democrats.
When they talk about being, oh, Donald Trump is 0-7 in Pennsylvania State Supreme Court, yeah, that's because there's a Democrat supermajority on the court up there.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
They're always going to rule against him.
It's not about the Pennsylvania State Supreme Court.
It's about the U.S.
Supreme Court, where you've got those serious originalists up there, where I know for a fact that, of course, they're going to be a little concerned, right, about potentially looking like they're overturning the results in an election, right?
That's something that we know we've heard from the media.
But, if you walk in there and you say, look, here's what the Constitution says, here's what the law says, and here's what they did, they're not going to rule in terms of Donald Trump versus Joe Biden, they're going to rule on the merits of the law.
And this is exactly the same type of thing that we saw happen in Bush v. Gore in Florida.
steve bannon
You're seeing the heat's getting turned up because Maricopa County, the GOP I think elections head, just got either forced out or resigned because of the machines.
You've got the Michigan State Senate is stepping up and saying we want an audit of the system.
They're dovetailing what Dave Coleman, David versus Goliath at the Great Lakes Research Center is saying.
He's got a great lawsuit.
In fact, here's how great it is.
Yahoo's got like the New York Times summary of ones that the New York Times are coming after and they get callman now in their gun sites.
They're going through every like tiny affidavit, they're going through every affidavit and trying to find a comma that's not in place.
He's worrying them, right? He's got the receipts also, he has eyewitnesses.
jack maxey
Have you ever seen a period of time in history where the media begins to operate as the backstop for the defense attorneys in any legal conflict on planet Earth? I just like them to have their investigative apparatus look at what's going on here and at least at least If the country's going to be unified, we've got to get to the bottom of this.
Well, we saw it with the hard drive.
Now, lots of people in the media have seen raw documents from that hard drive and we've heard nothing.
So, the idea that these guys are out basically trying to vet the affidavits of witnesses is beyond belief when they have physical documents in front of them with the signatures of Hunter Biden and various contacts in the CCP and the apparatus selling out America, selling out the West, and you guys are silent.
This is a crucible moment for the media generally, globally.
You know, you have Fauci on today talking about mistrust of science.
There's a mistrust of many of the informational apparatuses in our society today.
Why?
Because it's clear to even the most benign observer that they've become politicized.
steve bannon
Whether it's in Maricopa County where they're arguing right now about 5,000 ballots are in court.
Boris Epstein is going to give us an update on that because all five of the 5,000 of those I understand could go to Trump.
But give us a ground report.
Pennsylvania is still the key that picks the lock here.
You've got Michigan.
Wisconsin has been kind of quiet.
There's a lot going on in Wisconsin.
We'll start reporting on that tomorrow.
Georgia.
Tons of stuff going on in Georgia.
Arizona hangs in the balance.
Nevada, criminal stuff in Nevada.
But Pennsylvania, you just got back from there.
What is, first off, where are the naked ballots?
jack posobiec
I want to answer your question on the naked ballots.
So what we're seeing now that happened in Pennsylvania, and this is coming up of all places, not from the Trump campaign, but actually from a Republican candidate, Kathy Barnett, Uh, who was running in the Pennsylvania 6th.
She put forward the fact that basically worked like this.
Some counties allowed for the curing of naked ballots and some counties did not because there was conflicting guidance once again given from our good friend Kathy, uh, Kathy Bookvar, right?
So our good friend Kathy up there in Harrisburg who's making it up as she goes along.
She gave She gave conflicting guidance.
What did that mean?
That means that it was unequal.
That there was unequal treatment of these ballots across the state.
And this was a key issue in 2000 Bush v. Gore.
The Supreme Court ruled 7-2 on this.
Equal protection.
Unequal protection was given.
That if some counties did it one way and some counties did it another way, that that is not a fair election.
steve bannon
Okay, we're going to take a short break.
Jack Posobiec is in as our co-host for the first hour.
We're going to have Jim Hoff talking about China, Joe Hoff talking about China next, and how China's involvement, the CCP's involvement.
Remember, Joe Hoff has spent many, many years in Hong Kong.
He's a China expert.
We've got Jack Posobiec who speaks Mandarin, Naval Intelligence.
We're going to go around the country.
It's happening, folks.
You can tell.
They're getting nervous, right?
They're starting to throw the toys out of the pram.
Okay, back with the Hoff brothers from St.
unidentified
Louis next.
War Room Pandemic with Stephen K. Bannon.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room Pandemic.
Here's your host Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, Pacific, I got the great Lin Wood on his Twitter feed.
He's tweeting today, fundamental rule of war is to identify enemy.
Our country is at war with communist China, a war of good versus evil.
China attacked us with COVID, a biological weapon.
COVID was excused to control our lifestyles.
Dominion was a communist voting system used to control our elections.
That is the the lead lawyer of the Trump campaign who's fighting down in Georgia right now, Lin Wood, a highly respected guy, kind of preaching the gospel of the war room, right?
CCP at war with the Chinese people.
I'm still the thing that it was a biological weapons program of a enhancement exercise, right?
Gone awry.
The virus is the CCP virus.
I'm still of the thing that it was a biological weapons program of a enhancement exercise, right?
Gone awry.
There are others think it's actually a weapon that was let loose, but it definitely did not come from the wet market, right?
It was a gain of function experiment.
unidentified
Hmm.
steve bannon
Financed by Tony Fauci.
Don't quite know that, but I think we get within hollering distance of that.
So before we get Joe Hoffman on here, what do you think of Lin Wood's... I mean, you've got to back it up, but where's Lin Wood going on this?
jack posobiec
Well, I've got to see his way of being able to link this with CCP.
If there was potentially, he's talking about some kind of investment, maybe that was done, maybe some research.
I don't have the data, but I do know that in terms of Dominion, I got a report right here from Texas, 2019.
They recommended to deny certification to Dominion based on numerous vulnerabilities and issues in the software and hardware, such as convoluted setup.
steve bannon
In every vertical.
jack posobiec
Convoluted setup, lost adjudication results, incorrect prompts, and power failures.
And again, this isn't One American News, this isn't War Room, this is Secretary of State of the State of Texas.
They denied certification to Dominion Systems.
It's a year ago.
steve bannon
And they went through, and this one we're saying how, you know, Maricopa County, she's gone today.
I think the GOP head of it, I think for the Dominion system and not doing checks.
And they're saying, how did you do this?
One of the questions I'm hearing from out there, how'd you do this when Texas gave you a full report?
Did you do any due diligence?
Did you make any calls to like, maybe a state that's won over that is pretty big and is also run by Republicans that you could check it out?
jack maxey
Yeah, and we spoke about this yesterday, and we posted it onto Twitter, or at least I did on my feed, and people can read this.
What to me is so frightening is that this is one state's analysis, and they failed in every single key area, and yet somehow they passed in every other state.
Either this implies total incompetence on the part of the other states who chose this, or there's something nefarious going on in Texas, and I doubt it's the former.
steve bannon
We've got a lot of people looking at Dominion.
We're going to have a much more thorough kind of walkthrough in the next couple of days.
Dominion has got to be deconstructed.
Okay, I want to go to Joe Hoff now of Gateway Pundit.
Joe, walk us through this.
You were on the other day and then afterwards you posted a story up on the lead that everybody's found quite intriguing.
And I don't know if it's what Chanel linked to.
In her tweet that the president tweeted out, and now the world's in meltdown.
But walk us through what the Gateway Pundit story was and how you guys came to this conclusion to take this, the various pieces of information and put them together in one story.
joe hoft
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe hoft
Thanks, Steve.
And great to be back.
This all really started after our last discussion, which was Tuesday morning, where we brought up that we'd identified numerous, maybe six or seven instances where There was data that was being flipped within the data set, apparently.
It's showing up on just CNN and some other sites where they would see an equivalent reduction from the Trump numbers and an equal amount being increased in Biden's numbers at the same time.
And so we had a number of those.
So we thought there's something going on here.
There's certainly a pattern.
The one pattern is that they're always against Trump.
And so it seemed to be more than a glitch, which is what they were being called at that time.
So somebody actually sent me a link to a site, and apparently it's the Donald's site that used to be formerly on one of the, I think it was either 4chan or Reddit, and they got shut down because they didn't want any Donald's stuff up there.
And so they went and created their own website, and I've got a link to it in my post from Tuesday night.
But in it, they had done this analysis that I was looking for.
I was looking for the data and I was looking for, you know, to try to figure out how could we go through this data and determine if there's more of a pattern that's going on rather than just these six or seven anomalies that we identified.
And sure enough, these guys had done it.
And there's a link to it out on our post from Tuesday.
And it shows that there's literally in the Dominion realm, They came up with around 434,000 votes that got switched from Trump to Biden, and a total of 2.7 million votes that just were erased.
And so we had noticed these anomalies.
Now we've got an overall picture.
These guys got ahold of the New York Times data feed, and then they used that to run their analysis.
steve bannon
Leave it to the guys at the Donald's just to go ahead and crack into it.
Gotta love it.
The New York Times is melting down.
They love anything about the Donald's anyway.
Just the site.
Just the even mention of it.
They vapor lock over there.
It's so great when they crack into the data feed.
So explain what they did and explain to the audience why this is so important and what the math tells you here.
joe hoft
Yeah.
So they got a hold of this data set.
They've got a bunch of IT guys there.
I talked to one guy.
He said, well, there's maybe around 200 or so IT guys that are working on this.
There's other groups that we're aware of that are IT that are working on other things.
It's really exciting.
There's a lot of people jumping in.
I've had a number of people volunteer to me to say, how can I help?
And I'm forwarding them to these groups.
But what they did then is they took that data set and looked for these periods where data was being shifted.
They actually found some instances where it happened with Biden, but predominantly it was Trump and the Biden numbers are netted out of these totals.
So, um, yeah, what we're seeing, like for in the end result, which is unaudited, and we've got somebody that reached out to us and said he would be willing to audit this for us.
And he's looking into that.
So these are unaudited, but they, um, showed like in Pennsylvania alone, 220,000 votes That were switched from Trump to Biden.
I think the lead there is 50,000 now.
So boom, that's Pennsylvania.
In Michigan, they came up with 20,000 votes.
The biggest one was was overall was Pennsylvania.
A lot of monkey business in Virginia where they mentioned 790,000 votes were dropped and lost.
So we don't really know what happened there.
Are they losing them and then backfilling them with all Biden votes over a period of time?
We don't know.
But there's more research to be done here.
But it's certainly, you know, now we've got a complete set and a complete analysis of what was going on election night.
steve bannon
So we're going to help enroll and present this.
Here's the question I've got.
You've got, because the Trump movement, and you can see from the different sites, we have some tremendous people in technology and tremendous people on analytics.
You've got Shiva, the guy that ran for the Senate, he's doing like expanded TED Talks.
On certain analytics coming out of Michigan and other places.
You've got so many other people doing it.
Crowdsourcing, the Donald, etc.
So you got the pirate ship is now in full mode of really smart people and doing all this.
So we have that.
And then we've got Gateway Pundit and other great sources of guys like yourself pulling together.
Here's where I don't see the connect right now.
There is an official apparatus.
Right.
Call the Republican Party apparatus and the campaign apparatus that have extensive data sets, voter files, all of that, and can get down to the precinct to precinct data.
Are you now trying to merge that together or reach out to people either at the RNC or at the campaign so that you can really get a much more, you know, kind of boom, fused in and connected?
And expedite this because we're burning daylight, right?
This is all, remember, everything here, we're on the shot clock.
And so where do you think, where do you think the people you're talking to, because I know we're talking to them all day long, there's numbers of really smart people on the analytics side doing this, crowdsourcing it.
But how does that get linked into some official apparatus?
joe hoft
Well, you're right.
And one of the groups is spending their own money to buy some of these data sets so they can do this analysis of The Republican Party would be a huge help if they have this data to reach out to us and to provide it so we can provide it to these guys, especially the Donald's group and another group that I know of.
They're doing a lot of great work voluntarily, and I'm sure they could use help with more data sets.
That's the challenge.
Once they get it, they can do their work, but getting it has been a problem.
steve bannon
We've got about a minute left.
Where are you guys on Gateway Pundit?
Where are the Hoff Brothers going with this story?
joe hoft
Yeah, so we posted it Tuesday night.
It's been retweeted.
It was a big story, a lot of volume.
Again, Steve, we mentioned the other day we're getting more than 5 million hits a day now.
People want the truth.
They're searching for it.
Today, President Trump retweeted basically these numbers in all caps, stating that, he says, Dominion deleted 2.7 million Trump votes nationwide.
The analysis finds 221,000 Pennsylvania votes switched.
steve bannon
This is the point, this is why we want to have you on Joe because we love you guys.
It's good news and bad news.
The good news is he retweeted you so you're going to get like 9 zillion hits on the thing.
The bad news is that the world is now focused on Donald Trump's tweets and they go to Chanel and they see that Chanel basically links back to your story.
Your story links back to these crowdsourcing times.
It's kind of like it's stand and deliver time.
Right?
Because the world's sitting there.
The President's retweeted it.
He's saying, hey, I bought in.
I like it.
I'm good.
He's going to start working on his inaugural address right now.
Right?
Because if that's true, then it flips, we're good to go.
So we got to bounce.
We're following you guys.
We want to come back.
We want to get engaged in making sure that all this kind of works through and it ties into some official apparatuses sometime.
You guys are doing great work.
The five million hits a day is fantastic.
Gateway Pundit.
We're going to have links to the Gateway Pundit to the story.
Joe, thank you very much for joining us today.
Joe Hoft.
Okay, Posobiec.
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steve bannon
I think I kind of stand with Joe Biden.
I'll trust the intel community.
joe hoft
He's not president right now.
unidentified
Don't know if he'll be president January 20th, but whoever is, we'll get the information.
jake tapper
Obviously the idea that Joe Biden isn't going to be president on January 20th is nuts.
steve bannon
That would be incorrect, Jake Tapper.
It's not nuts.
He did not win on the 3rd of November.
Donald J. Trump did.
And we are not prepared to allow guys like Jeff Zucker, the corporate media of, what is it, AT&T, Time Warner, to steal this from the American people.
Not going to happen.
OK?
And to be honest, you're not, you're feckless guy is kind of up there.
Hey, I want an intel brief.
How about this?
No.
So what do you say?
I think he really deserves an intel brief.
We thought about it.
How about this?
No.
We want to take phone calls from... We want you to make phone calls and set up all the phone calls with foreign leaders.
How about this?
No.
He just sits there and says, no, no, no.
And nothing happens, right?
He's feckless.
Just a feckless old man wandering around up in the car park in Delaware.
And that's the way it's going to be because he told us right back there.
In fact, the next thing we're going to play is that play.
In fact, let's tee it up.
Just tell me when you're ready.
I want to hear his voice.
Answering a direct question asked to him in the first debate of when it was going to be time, right?
He said he wants it certified.
Hey, when it gets certified, if it gets certified, and my money is, it can't get certified, and that's why you have a state senate in Michigan say they want a full audit.
That's why you have people in the Pennsylvania House saying we want a full audit.
We got it?
Let's play that again.
I want you to hear Joe Biden's own voice.
chris wallace
Vice President Biden, final question for you.
Will you urge your supporters to stay calm while the vote is counted, and will you pledge not to declare victory until the election is independently certified?
joe biden
Yes, and here's the deal.
We count the ballots.
As you pointed out, some of these ballots in some states can't even be opened until Election Day.
And if there's thousands of ballots, it's going to take time to do it.
steve bannon
Count the legal ballots, right?
Did he get the certified part?
You cut it off too early.
Is that certified?
OK.
Count the legal ballots.
I was so focused on the balance.
Count the legal ballots.
Got to be certified.
The president's starting to run now.
We're hearing it.
jack maxey
Certified is a legal terminology.
This is not just something that Joe Biden came up with.
This is the states actually legally certifying The vote.
So this is what Joe Biden is talking about.
He's not talking about something that Jake Tapper comes up with in the middle of the night.
He's talking about the legal process.
steve bannon
Daily Mail lays it out as the President's legal strategy right now.
Force them to come forward and try to certify, right?
And you can only certify legal ballots, legal votes.
jack maxey
And a little breaking news right now.
Matt Flynn, who's a national reporter for Fox News, just came out.
There's a whole other dump of affidavits coming out of Detroit.
One now from a woman named Melissa.
Caron, and she worked for Dominion, she said that she witnessed people counting ballots, stacks of ballots, mail-in ballots, four and five times, so that 100 ballots would be counted as if they were 500 ballots.
Over and over again, she complained.
People who were part of this process, I really think it's time for other people to start coming forward.
Don't take the fall for some machine, because Melissa is going to testify against you.
steve bannon
Where's the mainstream media on this?
Now they're going after Coleman and his, I told him today they're going to go after, was it Jesse?
The brave little patriot that's sitting there that came forward.
They're going to try to destroy them all.
The President, one thing I want to get to, I got Posobiec.
Anything else on Pennsylvania?
Because you and Manny are Pennsylvania guys.
jack posobiec
The other piece that I've heard about Pennsylvania is that they're digging into whether or not, and this goes on in other states too, but specifically Pennsylvania where I've heard, is they're digging into whether or not illegal ballot harvesting took place.
Ballot harvesting is legal in certain states.
In Wisconsin, it is, well, there's no law against it in Wisconsin.
In California, they've specifically allowed it.
But ballot harvesting, and for people who don't understand it, because it is a phrase that you have to mention, is because people don't realize this could be illegal, right?
It's basically being paid to bring someone else's ballots to the drop-off point, whether that be a drop box or the accounting board of elections, whatever it is.
If you are paid to do that, it is illegal.
steve bannon
It's like all these SORUS groups, like the ACORN-type groups.
jack posobiec
It's ACORN-style.
steve bannon
It's ACORN-style.
They've got all these ACORN groups funded by SORUS.
Right, they go around and just collect ballots.
jack posobiec
And the canvassers may not even know, right?
I would be, you know, they're getting paid $150, $200 a day.
They most likely don't even know that what they're doing is actually in contrivance of Pennsylvania law, if that is the case.
And so this is something that's being looked into.
There are reports now coming in to the Trump Legal Center talking about, you know, people showing up at these drop boxes because in Philadelphia and some of the other counties here in Pennsylvania, these drop boxes were set up for mail-in ballots.
Well, they say they've got people on video coming in with handfuls or armloads, you know, a tray full of ballots.
What is that?
Who are those people?
jack maxey
One thing also that's interesting about Pennsylvania, I'm looking at the state site right now, and we've been talking for several days, I think actually since the day after the election, about these provisional ballots.
Now going through the state, it looks like less than half of the counties have reported any provisional ballots.
But what is particularly striking to me is Philadelphia has had no provisional ballots.
Montgomery County has had no provisional ballots.
Bucks County has had no provisional ballots.
So these are big, big voting blocks and we've seen nothing.
So you reporters out there, please ask Pennsylvania what has happened to these provisional ballots.
We've never gotten a clear answer.
jack posobiec
The thought is that those provisional ballots are going to break for Trump because they tend towards in-person voting on election day and because that turnout on election day was generally for Trump, this idea that these provisional ballots are going to break for Trump or at least they should.
As we've seen already in this election, the expected outcome in a lot of these turnout models isn't always what shows up.
steve bannon
Before I turn to, we're going to talk about Intel and about Trump starting his second term and taking action.
Since we started the show, and we started in Pennsylvania with Manns and Pasovic, what the Secretary of State came after us, right?
Dropped 10,000 votes for Biden.
They said, hey, War Room, you're a lot of nice, hey, big talk, here's action.
jack maxey
So going from 45 to 55.
steve bannon
We drop another 10,000.
That's okay.
We got the game.
We know the game.
They're all not going to count anyway, so you drop all you want.
They're all illegal, so you drop all you want.
greg manz
And then, Steve, with the naked ballots and what you're talking about and rumors and intel on the ground of those ballots being thrown out or destroyed, there's been right-to-know requests being filed, which is the state version of Freedom of Information Act.
steve bannon
Called right-to-know?
greg manz
Yeah.
steve bannon
And who filed those?
greg manz
Lawyers on the ground there.
jack posobiec
You're supposed to wait.
You're supposed to weigh the envelope to see if the security ballots in there because it's going to weigh more if it has that security envelope on the inside.
steve bannon
We said this for weeks.
Well, ever since that ruling, this is going to be this is going to be the big one.
jack maxey
They still haven't even revealed how they made these determinations in some places, like, for example, in Georgia and Fulton County, where they did the same thing.
Nobody even you know, they haven't said, oh, we we weighed everything yet.
No one's defined how they knew that they didn't have No, the rejection rate is way down from where it usually is.
steve bannon
Way down.
I want to go to the Intel part of it, about the mass dump of Intel, but particularly President Trump.
Wall Street Journal is reporting today that a slew of executive orders, they've already cracked down on investment companies making investments in In any company that could possibly be used by the Chinese military.
jack posobiec
PLA.
steve bannon
PLA.
But there's also this controversy.
You know, Brennan's saying that basically the president ought to be rounded up right now because it's a danger.
And there's discussion, and we've said, why are there not a bottom blow?
And you're the best guy that would know this.
Why is there not a bottom blow and just declassify so much of this intelligence right now?
jack posobiec
He's fighting to do that right now.
steve bannon
Is he fighting?
Don't tell me, I hate when you say that.
jack posobiec
Gina Haspel.
jack maxey
Why is he fighting?
jack posobiec
Gina Haspel.
steve bannon
Last time I checked, he's the Commander-in-Chief.
She's a grandeur.
unidentified
A.G.
jack posobiec
Barr is against it.
steve bannon
Last time I looked, the President is Chief Magistrate.
The Attorney General is Attorney General.
jack posobiec
I'm telling you what's going on, Steve.
I'm not telling you how the Constitution works.
I'm not trying to tell you that, but I'm telling you that Haspel is against it and Barr is against it.
He wants to declassify the original Russia investigation document.
steve bannon
Are we breaking some news here?
You're saying A.G.
Barr's told him he can't do that?
jack posobiec
A.G.
Barr has said don't do it because of sources and methods.
Gina is saying don't do it because it would cause damage to our foreign allies.
Gina, we know where you were in 2016.
unidentified
You were the Station Chief of London.
jack posobiec
You were right there while Crossfire was going on.
jack maxey
Any human operation... Any weekends in Cambridge?
jack posobiec
That is going on.
steve bannon
It has to be signed off.
jack posobiec
It has to be signed off by Station Chief.
And if the FBI is running something, if anyone's running something on the ground, let me tell you something, either Station Chief is signed off about it, or if they're doing something and Station Chief doesn't know about it, that's probably even a bigger problem.
steve bannon
So, do you see a problem in sources and methods for releasing all the background that Nunez and everybody else has said should be released?
jack posobiec
Don't we already know all the sources and methods?
That's, I mean, this is the operation that's been, I mean, talk about OPSEC.
This is an operation that's been blown more than any operation that's ever been done before, right?
Maybe other than Desert One.
You know, we know so many, we know about Halper, we know about Cambridge, we know about Steele, we know about who Steele's primary subsource, we know about many of his subsources.
I think, I think it's time to simply let the cat out of the bag.
steve bannon
When Devin Nunez over at House Intel sent the 40 subpoenas to who's the deputy Rosen Rosenstein?
jack posobiec
Yeah.
steve bannon
Sent it to the Deputy Attorney General saying 40 subpoenas were never answered.
This could have broken the whole thing open at the time.
And the president kept telling me, you got to do this.
jack maxey
You got to do.
steve bannon
I was on I was on TV all the time in early 18, saying he ought to be fired, not for what he's doing on this, but he ought to be fired.
He doesn't do this.
That's what we're hearing now in 2020.
And we still haven't had any release of it.
jack maxey
My guess is that if Barr is in the middle of this, he's getting pressure from CIA, he's getting pressure from the FBI.
President Trump, do not listen to your Attorney General because he's being fed bad information.
He's been being fed bad information his entire time in office by these agencies.
You need to follow your instincts, you need to pull the trigger on this one, and you need to open the books for the American people to see the fraud that has been put upon them for all these years.
Because we want to defend you, and it's easier to defend you when we have the facts in the light of day, Mr. President.
jack posobiec
And we know why Gina went to see Mitch McConnell and made sure everybody saw that she went over there, right?
Gang of eight.
That's the gang of eight.
That's why she went to see Mitch, to make sure that everybody saw that meeting.
She went there for 20 minutes, but it didn't matter.
unidentified
She knows exactly what she's doing.
steve bannon
The Five Eyes program, where we have this working relationship with the other Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the United Kingdom, and ourselves.
unidentified
The Anglosphere.
steve bannon
The Anglosphere.
We have that, and it works, but That's one of the things they're trying to protect here of how they, and this is the danger, and this is MI5 and MI6 has got a problem too.
Both operations got involved in domestic politics.
Because this is a scab, you peel this scab back and a lot of pus comes out.
jack posobiec
Look, the most likely, and I don't know this for certain, but the most likely scenario here is probably that MI6 signed off on the dossier.
steve bannon
There's absolutely no doubt.
jack posobiec
I mean, that's just, it's just, it's, you know, they're trying to protect the fact that MI6 probably signed off on the dossier, and that's why when Brennan was bringing it all around, his buddy, um, uh, Rich Darmitizer over there, all, all, no, um, Dearlove, Dearlove, Rich Dearlove over there, that when they brought it around, he said, hey, MI6 is on our, on our side.
MI6, I'm telling you, that's exactly what happened.
jack maxey
I think the bigger scandal is that they were using British HQ to We've been doing it for decades.
outside of the Fourth Amendment requirement for a warrant.
And we do this all the time with our Five Eyes allies.
We've been doing it for decades.
It is a scam and an abuse of our constitutional rights.
But right now, I think this lays it open for everyone to see.
I think they were asking for favors, and they were getting favors long before any of these FISA warrants were ever issued.
jack posobiec
If they were doing that to Paige in Papadopoulos, and the CIA signed off on it, that's clearly a violation of their rights.
jack maxey
They've been doing it to American citizens for decades.
It's a little favor.
Hey, can you check this guy out?
And then they have the chain of evidence.
steve bannon
Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break.
But you should say, your vote is dump it all, dump it now.
jack posobiec
Get it all out.
steve bannon
You're dump it all, dump it now.
unidentified
Sunlight.
steve bannon
Man's 100% in the war room.
Gotta dump it.
jack maxey
Open the Kennedy documents again too, Mr. President.
steve bannon
Epstein.
That's a whole different thing I want to get on the grassy knoll.
unidentified
Okay.
steve bannon
We're going to take a short commercial break.
Boris Epstein is going to join us from Arizona.
It's a court case going on right now about 5,000 ballots.
All pro-Trump.
jack posobiec
Be back in a moment.
unidentified
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steve bannon
In the next couple days we've got to keep you close because there's a lot going on in Pennsylvania.
Stuff's breaking out there all the time.
I just got a report about Montgomery County.
They're fighting down about 6,000 ballots down there.
They think these may actually be pro-Trump ballots.
There's a fight all over Pennsylvania.
These ballots are, you know, the illegal ones are being counted.
The legal ones that are pro-Trump are not.
So people are in fights all over Pennsylvania.
I've got to keep you close.
I know you've got an observation about the First Lady.
jack posobiec
Yeah there's some some info that I've got from from inside really the higher the the other war room right that war room is that the is that there was this this thread out there in you know the CNN's of the world Peter Alexander's of the world saying that the first lady was ready to leave that she was packing her bags she was headed back up to New York Not even close to the truth.
She is down for the fight probably, probably even more than anybody else in there right now.
She's been telling everybody that we need to kick this thing into high gear.
That if we're going to go to court, we need to go to court now.
We need to bring everything we have to bear against this.
That it's either, and it's, and by the way, and if we're not, then you might as well just concede right away.
Then you might as well just walk away if it's one or the other.
She doesn't like the indecision.
She wants to go in there.
steve bannon
Her parents are the first, she talks all the time about And Eric and Don Jr.
talk all the time about going over and seeing their grandfather, and then Melania's parents talk about it, about living under communism, living in Eastern Europe.
You know it with your Polish background.
Those people know what freedom is, and they're not prepared to give it up.
She's a fighter.
I want to turn now to Boris Epstein out in Arizona.
Boris, I think you would agree with us, the First Lady is a fighter, and she's not going to back off one inch on this thing.
She knows that Donald J. Trump won on the 3rd, and so don't expect... All these leaks you see coming out of the White House is all fake news.
That is psychological warfare to try to get particularly the Trump supporters depressed.
It's not happening.
All that stuff is coming out of their lives.
People are down for this fight, okay?
And they're working 20 hours a day, 7 days a week for the fight.
You guys are out in court right now, and two things I want to do.
What's happening in court about these ballots?
In Maricopa County, did the election official resign or get fired, the GOP?
So take the ballots first.
What's going on?
unidentified
Well, the ballots first.
The hearing is going on right now, and I'm not in the courthouse because I'm not a lawyer on the specific case.
So, without being a representative in the case, there's no reason for me to be in the courtroom.
I'm getting some conflicting reports as to what's going on.
What I do know is this, is that we need to get to the bottom of this Green Button issue that I talked to you about a couple hours ago, about day-off ballots that were damaged, being forced through the machine in Maricopa County.
We need to get to the bottom of that.
boris epshteyn
And then I just now recently heard, potentially, again, and I don't have any additional info on this, potentially some issue of Duplicate ballots, which means ballots that are being corrected, not being counted if they're Trump ballots.
unidentified
I'm not saying that there's a validity to it, I'm not saying it's factual, but I just heard, and the number of ballots was huge, in the tens of thousands.
So, I'm going to be running that down, figuring out what's going on.
steve bannon
But, yeah, it's... Ho, ho, ho, hang on, hang on, hang on a second, hang on a second.
What do you mean tens of thousands of ballots?
What is this now?
unidentified
Apparently, and I'm not again, I don't have any Additional backup on this. I was just told and could be rumor and that could be all it is that apparently there are some There's an issue with accounting of what's called duplicate ballots, which are ballots right that were that were were fixed Now could be absolutely nothing could be something but you know something worth worth at least taking a look at on On the numbers we have now gotten any major drops today. We've
gained 100 votes out of 127 that were dropped about and So we're still at 11.5 with about 35 40,000 left to count And then as far as this official resigning, this is a Republican official who failed to show up at the day where they were testing these new machines.
She failed to show and was not there for that.
Thus, Republicans actually never signed an affidavit agreeing that the machines work.
steve bannon
You can't make this stuff up.
I mean, how does that happen?
And now, how do we find out about it eight days after the voting took place and the machines were used?
I mean, this is why I think people in the Trump movement, you've got those hardworking people out there in front of Maricopa County, and they're sitting there going, how could she possibly not be there for the systems check, Boris?
unidentified
And guess which system it is?
This is the Dominion system used in Maricopa, so she didn't show up there.
For the system check.
Again, don't know this person directly from what I'm told.
May not be the biggest fan of the President.
Maybe a little bit of an establishment of a Trumper.
So somebody who decided that it was not her time, it was not worth her time, worth the drive or whatever it may be, to be at the system check for a machine that had never been used before.
This is the first time.
And she didn't even show up.
steve bannon
Boris, we've got about a minute left.
Arizona is obviously very important, even to close the gap.
What the audience keeps blowing us up, we've been at about 35,000 to 60,000 votes for going on three or four days here.
What is stopping the officials in Arizona from finishing this, at least in this round?
So we either do a hand recount, an audit, or get on to the next phase of it.
So to see if this thing can be certified or not.
Why are they holding back?
Is it because it's good news for Trump?
Are they just incompetent?
Or is there some national security issue we're missing?
unidentified
I'm not necessarily sure, to be honest.
And, you know, yesterday and the day before, I said to you, well, you know, this is the way it is here in Arizona.
It just takes time.
But now I'm frankly getting very concerned about how long it's taking.
And we need to see the numbers.
And it's what we've been saying from the very beginning.
President Trump, the American people deserve for every legal vote to be counted and to be disclosed.
And it shouldn't be taking this long.
So let's hope that there are more numbers that have come out today.
I am expecting that.
And we'll see where we are in the morning, because the numbers that are left are, again, expected to be overwhelmingly pro-Donald Trump numbers.
steve bannon
Okay, Boris Epstein, thank you.
We'll put all your Twitter handles up and Parler handles and all that.
Thank you very much for joining us.
unidentified
Thanks, Steve.
Good to be with you.
steve bannon
Didn't check the machine.
Next time you hit him with a $10 bill for a donation, just remember that.
It bothers the mind.
In Texas, you read this Texas report.
Jack had it up the other day.
The people in Texas went through this thing in detail.
And I mean, they blow up that system.
jack posobiec
Three times.
Three times over the years, they've gone up to Texas and Texas said no.
Absolutely not.
steve bannon
Okay, we've got to bounce.
We've got Steve Gruber.
We're going to Michigan next.
Steve Gruber, an expert on Michigan, is going to be there.
Where's your reporting?
You've got 30 seconds.
What is Jack Pasovic spending his time on?
That's what people want to know.
jack posobiec
Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania.
Pennsylvania's the keystone.
steve bannon
Yeah, since the show started, people in Pennsylvania and the local things have blown me up.
There's tons of stuff going on in Pennsylvania.
There's a dogfight up there.
jack posobiec
Pennsylvania's grounds are because if you get Arizona and Georgia, it all comes down to Pennsylvania.
steve bannon
Exactly.
And maybe throw in Michigan for good work.
jack maxey
I like what Faddis said a couple days ago.
You know, our liberty was born in Pennsylvania.
We ain't gonna let it die there.
jack posobiec
Amen.
steve bannon
Jack Posovic, One American News.
Thank you so much.
We'll be back where I have Steve Gruber, who is one of the great hosts of Real American's Voice and an expert in Michigan.
Michigan's now in play.
This is a fight.
And you're seeing great people fight throughout this country.
Jack Posovic, thank you very much for co-hosting The First Hour.
unidentified
Thanks much.
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