Behind the Bastards - Episode 9: Uprising: A Guide From Portland: Tactics and Teargas
Aired: 2021-02-01
Duration: 01:21:05


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=== Vandalism vs Violence (11:15) ===

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[00:03:46]  This has been declared a riot.
[00:03:48]  Troopers in this group grew the broken out windows of multiple businesses on Northeast Barnes 32R in the Lloyd District.
[00:03:57]  Members have also thrown projectiles at police.
[00:04:00]  All protests must immediately leave the area.
[00:04:03]  Failure to adhere to this order may subject you to arrest, titanium, or crowd control agents, including, but not limited to, tear gas and or impact weapons.
[00:04:15]  Leave the area immediately.
[00:04:18]  A phrase you'll hear thrown around often at Portland protests is diversity of tactics.
[00:04:23]  It's a civil revolt organizing principle that dates back to at least around the 1960s and was popularized by people like Malcolm X. Diversity of tactics emphasizes making periodic use of force for defensive or disruptive purposes, stepping beyond the limits of nonviolence, but also stopping short of militarization.
[00:04:42]  It's about promoting solidarity between those who practice peaceful protest and those who are more militant.
[00:04:48]  As Malcolm X put it, our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives.
[00:04:53]  As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods or tactics or strategy to reach a common goal.
[00:05:02]  Taking their cues from Malcolm X, younger and more militant black liberation activists increasingly supported this approach, with Gloria Richardson of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee declaring in 1964 that the federal government would only be compelled to intervene on behalf of integration only when matters approached the level of insurrection.
[00:05:22]  While support for a diversity of tactics was foundational to struggles throughout the later half of the 20th century, the phrase itself was popularized by the protests against the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minnesota in 2008.
[00:05:34]  A broad coalition of labor, anti-war, anti-globalization, liberal, and leftist groups drafted the St. Paul Principles, which read as follows.
[00:05:43]  Number one, our solidarity will be based on respect for a diversity of tactics and the plans of other groups.
[00:05:49]  Number two, the actions and tactics used will be organized to maintain a separation of time or space.
[00:05:56]  Number three, any debates or criticisms will stay internal to the movement, avoiding any public or media denunciations of fellow activists and events.
[00:06:04]  And number four, we oppose any state repression of dissent, including surveillance, infiltration, disruption, and violence.
[00:06:11]  We agree not to assist law enforcement actions against activists and others.
[00:06:15]  The principles were a rough compromise, the common ground that most of the 10,000 protesters who gathered in the Twin Cities to face down heavily militarized police could agree to.
[00:06:24]  Twelve years later, spurred on by the murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis, the National Uprising of 2020 would grapple with those same debates over acceptable and useful tactics.
[00:06:34]  They would find no easy answers.
[00:06:44]  Here's Garrison.
[00:06:45]  In Portland, there has been even further distinction between peaceful protests, i.e. long pre-planned marches with speeches and no property damage, and nonviolent protests, where people aren't physically harmed, but protesters do engage in property destruction for various reasons.
[00:07:02]  It's often said when these different types of protests can happen simultaneously, both a big, more liberal one and a smaller radical one, that's when you can get the most reforms.
[00:07:12]  As the YLF explains here, note the audio is redubbed.
[00:07:17]  I do think that's important.
[00:07:18]  Like, if we have to work inside the system and are not able to outright destroy it, that is definitely an important aspect because it gives it basically gives the people in charge, in this case, we'll say Ted Wheeler, there are two options.
[00:07:30]  You can go with, in his mind, the violent rioters wanting to destroy everything, or you can go with the peaceful ones.
[00:07:38]  He's left with two options, and he's always going to take, like, the peaceful liberal marches.
[00:07:42]  And at the end of the day, it's not nothing because they're still out there demanding school resource officers out of schools, the gang task force gone.
[00:07:49]  And so it basically makes them choose.
[00:07:51]  And I guess if we're working in the system, any progress is good.
[00:07:54]  Despite police and the media's insistence, vandalism and violence are not the same thing.
[00:08:00]  But there still is a public perception that anarchists, protesters, and rioters are, quote, destroying the city, unquote.
[00:08:08]  Tristan notes how violence and vandalism are misconstrued and exaggerated in press coverage.
[00:08:14]  I think the kind of the most damaging thing, or like the worst kind of counter narrative is basically just around the vandalism that goes on and like really kind of blowing that out of proportion and trying to act like that is going to like,
[00:08:40]  You know, look at this distract, like there's this, you know, narrative going around that that's like distracting from the real purpose of the movement and that it's white anarchists like trying to take the attention away from like black folks and that's usually being pushed by like really conservative black people and like you know the kind of people who they have a lot of influence with.
[00:09:04]  You know, you'll see like mainstream, like NWACP here in Portland, who's always been tight with like the mayor's office really pushing that narrative hard, and lots of other folks you know coming up to back them up.
[00:09:16]  Yeah, so I guess one thing that I've also seen is that there's this conflation of like you know they'll say like downtown is deserted because of these protests, because all the violence, but downtown is deserted because of the pandemic and also, despite the plague and a record number of businesses shutting down due to Covid, downtown Portland is unfortunately quite active at the moment.
[00:09:38]  It is in fact not destroyed nor taking enough appropriate Covid precautions.
[00:09:44]  You know, and that's not like, that's like the most disingenuous thing anyone could possibly say and it's so.
[00:09:51]  It seems so patently obvious that it's like a, you know, like a red herring, but then people are still like buying into it and, to a certain degree, are like echoing that sentiment and it's just, it's just not the case and it's like, and there's also this like desire for for them to like they they kind of say that it's all white anarchists, but there's no way to that for you to prove that, because most of the people who are doing this shit are all blocked up and it's like.
[00:10:19]  So there's also this like kind of subtext that they what they really want for these people, they want to know who these people are.
[00:10:26]  You know partially to like, like you know, gratify themselves they're trying to be right, but also just so the fucking cops can have them.
[00:10:32]  You know, it's like this like undercurrent of like respectability, like if you know they really cared, they would like show their faces or something like that.
[00:10:42]  Like I don't know, the vast majority of Portland protesters do not partake in any political violence or even vandalism, even at the riots that end in destruction and violence, at almost every one of these protests, Protests, physical violence is started and further escalated by law enforcement.
[00:10:59]  Entire crowds get punished for the actions of a few individuals.
[00:11:03]  The more rare alternative to this is quote-unquote targeted arrests, that, despite its name, are often not actually targeted at specific individuals and instead just end up targeting people wearing black clothes and those that don't run away fast enough from riot cops.
[00:11:19]  The people arrested in these targeted arrests often get charged with a mix of small misdemeanors and sometimes egregious felonies, most of which end up getting dropped due to lack of evidence.
[00:11:30]  When the arrests are specifically targeted, it's usually for such quote-unquote crimes as standing and protesting on the driveway of the ICE building at 1am.
[00:11:40]  The validity of property destruction has faced a lot of criticism from pundits, politicians, and even many protesters.
[00:11:47]  For the summer of 2020, there was actually very little property destruction save for the first riot night, as people were mostly trying to repeatedly occupy the areas around boarded-up police buildings.
[00:11:59]  But as the summer turned into fall and tactics evolved alongside the smaller crowd sizes, broken windows became more common.
[00:12:07]  Critics say that it is not strategic because it does not help grow the movement, gain public support, or by itself, be enough pressure for instituting change.
[00:12:16]  That much is arguably true, but that assumes those were the goals of the action in the first place, which is usually not true.
[00:12:24]  In a recent interview, local political consultant and former activist Gregory McKelvey said this about the purpose of vandalism, such as breaking windows.
[00:12:33]  Quote, honestly, I think in some cases the goal has been explicitly revenge for night after night of tear gas, beatings, disparate policing, and PPB's protection of the ICE detention centers.
[00:12:46]  However, again, we must put ourselves in the minds of someone who probably rightfully believes the world is ending, or, at a minimum, is on the brink of being unrecognizable with incredible amounts of death, pain, and climate chaos.
[00:12:59]  If the world is ending, some people are going to act like it.
[00:13:02]  It's amazing to me that liberal Democrats really do believe that we are on the brink of something like Armageddon, and then are shocked that some people behave like it.
[00:13:11]  What did you picture Armageddon to look like?
[00:13:13]  Public testimony?
[00:13:14]  Unquote.
[00:13:16]  Vandalism, like a graffiti and breaking windows, also serves as a demanding of attention, while also symbolizing a direct attack on racism, class divides, capitalism, or the status quo itself.
[00:13:27]  For years, people have tried just asking nicely.
[00:13:30]  Over the summer here in Portland, there were thousands of people peacefully demanding a $50 million budget cut from PPB's $245 million budget to then reinvest in community services.
[00:13:42]  The minus $50 million would bring the police budget down closer to their 2016 budget of only $190 million.
[00:13:50]  Other demands include wholly abolishing and replacing the Portland Police Bureau, dropping all charges for civil rights protesters, and that Mayor Ted Wheeler resign.
[00:13:59]  With none of those demands met and politicians all but ignoring the peaceful demonstrations, people are angry, so windows get broken.
[00:14:07]  And this seems to be the only thing that gets attention anymore and keeps the dialogue about police violence active.
[00:14:13]  Here's Tristan again.
[00:14:15]  Yeah, I mean, it's like I said, like, I definitely feel like that kind of like vandalism should be engaged with in like, let's say, a productive kind of way.

=== Keeping Dialogue Active (06:43) ===

[00:14:31]  I don't necessarily think it's wrong, but if it...
[00:14:37]  If you can't see.
[00:14:40]  Yeah, I don't know.
[00:14:41]  This is hard to parse, because, I mean, it's totally valid for people to speak mad and smash shit.
[00:14:47]  And I guess in terms of like small businesses.
[00:14:54]  I mean, well, I guess, okay, so one way that it's, I think, fully justified, even if it is like a small business, if they're like cop-friendly, if they're like cop-adjacent, and like if they got like a blue-less matter of fact in the window, like gloves off, as far as I'm concerned, I don't give a shit.
[00:15:11]  But, you know, if it's just like a random business, like probably don't, you know, because I mean, the cops are gonna, they're gonna come at you anyway, you know, whether you like break a window or like, you know, burn a cop car, right?
[00:15:33]  They're gonna arrest you.
[00:15:35]  And they could probably arrest you even if you don't do that.
[00:15:37]  And so it's really just a matter of like which of those two acts is actually going to like materially.
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[00:18:12]  July 2003.
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[00:20:06]  Deprive the police of their ability to commit further harm.
[00:20:11]  Here's another quote from Gregory in his recent interview at the Will Limit Week.
[00:20:15]  Quote, for generations like mine and the one after, Gregory is in his late 20s, by the way, we have been told our entire lives that the world is about to end if nothing is done immediately, and that all of the evils of our world, climate chaos, racism, the ills of capitalism, and more, are all inexplicably linked.
[00:20:34]  In my mind, and in the minds of protesters, these things are objectively true.
[00:20:38]  So if a young person is told the world is ending and then told to sign up to testify or go vote, that does not meet the urgency of the moment.
[00:20:47]  Destruction is a natural reaction to feeling desperate, helpless, and in imminent doom.
[00:20:53]  The solution to all this would involve actually addressing the legitimate issues that are killing us all with the urgency that's necessary.
[00:21:01]  The politicians who are acting like everything is fine as the world literally burns, or say they care about these issues but don't actually do anything to fundamentally fix them, are only making the problems worse and people's desperation worse.

=== Urgency of the Moment (02:53) ===

[00:21:14]  And then when both liberals and conservatives alike make more of a fuss about a broken Starbucks window than the literally hundreds of people beaten and gassed in the streets by the cops afterwards, that only further proves the protesters' point.
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=== Tactical Shield Walls (08:36) ===

[00:24:08]  It would be remiss to talk about tactics without mentioning the influence Hong Kong's protests have had on the Portland uprising and the 2020 BLM protests in general.
[00:24:18]  The militant protests in Hong Kong sent shockwaves across the world months before the COVID pandemic.
[00:24:24]  Hong Kong protesters used tennis rackets and umbrellas to deflect police projectiles, and traffic cones and water bottles to contain and diffuse tear gas grenades.
[00:24:33]  All of these tactics were adapted at various points throughout the Portland protests.
[00:24:38]  At a PPB press conference back in July, the deputy chief featured an infographic describing the different roles protesters took up in the Hong Kong uprising.
[00:24:47]  PPB also tweeted out the graph, saying, quote, we have seen all of this at demonstrations in Portland, unquote.
[00:24:54]  Knowingly or unknowingly, the PPB had aligned themselves with the Hong Kong police and their crackdown on the Hong Kong protests, arguably the most widely accepted and praised protest movement of the last decade, prior to the George Floyd protests.
[00:25:09]  Here is Deputy Chief Chris Davis introducing the graphic at his July 8th press conference.
[00:25:15]  So now I want to talk just a little bit about some of the, in broader terms, some of the tactics that we're seeing.
[00:25:21]  We'll make this available as a PDF for you.
[00:25:24]  This is not secret information here.
[00:25:25]  We got this off the internet.
[00:25:28]  This picture popped up a lot on social media and on the internet right as events began.
[00:25:36]  I'm not sure exactly what the origin of this is.
[00:25:39]  We're still working on trying to figure this out, but this is not our diagram.
[00:25:42]  We got this off of the internet.
[00:25:45]  The graphic that he showed was originally based on the Hong Kong protests and designed to assist protesters.
[00:25:51]  It outlines the anatomy of a typical protest, laying out the different protest roles that people can take on to achieve their goals.
[00:25:58]  It's important to note that one person doesn't need to be stuck with a single purpose for one day.
[00:26:04]  The roles people take up and the actions they do can be semi-fluid.
[00:26:08]  The graphic gave each of these roles kind of silly names, and while designed based on a different struggle, each of these roles was represented in some form in Portland.
[00:26:18]  First, our support roles that people can do from home if they are unable to attend in person.
[00:26:23]  These include graphic designers who make posters, banners, and infographics, and people who work online comms, listening to police scanners and signal-boosting information about police activity and location from on-the-ground sources, and then distributing the information via apps like Telegram, Signal, and Twitter.
[00:26:41]  Moving on to at the actual protest.
[00:26:43]  In the back, barricaders.
[00:26:45]  People who build barricades out of usually found objects.
[00:26:49]  In Portland, we've seen these have two main purposes.
[00:26:53]  One, to help prevent vehicular attacks on the crowd, and two, quickly erect obstacles as police are chasing the crowd to hopefully slow the police down.
[00:27:02]  Up next, medics, and people who help with tear gas or pepper spray exposure.
[00:27:07]  Medics all have different skill ranges, and in Portland have had to deal with minor medical issues like tear gas, but also broken bones, head trauma, seizures, and gunshot wounds.
[00:27:17]  They often stay towards the back of a protest, to both have a safe place for treatment and in cases where an ambulance has to be called in.
[00:27:25]  Closer to the middle, we have people that were playfully referred to in the Hong Kong graphic as fire squads and range soldiers.
[00:27:33]  Fire squads are protesters who use water and traffic cones to suppress and extinguish tear gas canisters.
[00:27:39]  Portland police even began collecting and confiscating city traffic cones so that they wouldn't be used this way.
[00:27:44]  Another anti-tear gas measure we've seen is simply heat-resistant gloves used to chuck tear gas back at cops or away from crowds.
[00:27:52]  Hockey sticks and lacrosse sticks have also been used to relocate tear gas canisters.
[00:27:57]  During the Fed War, this group also came to include people with leafblowers who did a really good job at keeping gas at bay.
[00:28:03]  Range soldiers are protesters who throw water bottles, paint balloons, and other random trash to help inhibit police from advancing.
[00:28:11]  Beside them are light mages and fire mages.
[00:28:14]  Light mages use lasers and flashlights to obstruct surveillance cameras, drones, and stop police from being able to aim and identify protesters.
[00:28:22]  While effective when used in the large numbers seen in the Hong Kong protests, isolated lasers did very little to obscure cameras or disrupt police surveillance, although the feds and PPB officers did report some eye strain due to the laser targeting.
[00:28:38]  Portland police have even described being quote-unquote struck with objects including lasers.
[00:28:44]  For example, here in this audio courtesy of local street reporter Jasper Florence.
[00:29:01]  These objects are hard and traveling at high rates of speed when they strike officers and are believed to be coming from slingshots.
[00:29:10]  Fire mages are protesters who are prepared to set fires.
[00:29:14]  Often these are to barricades and dumpsters, although Portland's months of protest saw extensive use of fireworks and at least four Moltov cocktails, half of which actually hit fellow protesters.
[00:29:25]  Thankfully, no one was permanently injured by Moltovs in Portland during 2020.
[00:29:30]  Now, closer to the front.
[00:29:32]  Peaceful protesters, who make up the bulk of any march or action, and could also include people who don't want to fight, but join hand in hand with the frontliners and can serve as human shields.
[00:29:43]  During the fight with the federal forces, thousands of Portlanders made up of the peaceful crowds, while the Wall of Moms acted as a front line, often protecting people who were throwing tear gas canisters back at the feds.
[00:29:54]  Another role showcased on the graphic is what's referred to as a flag bearer.
[00:29:59]  Their job is to signal and warn when riot police are approaching.
[00:30:03]  In Hong Kong, this was done via flags and signs, and in Portland, this was done by someone with a sports whistle.
[00:30:09]  Then of course we have frontliners, people up at the front, some ready to take various direct action, and others with umbrellas to guard against projectiles and cameras.
[00:30:19]  And then at the very front, shield soldiers or shield bearers, with shields made out of foam, wood, or sometimes umbrellas.
[00:30:27]  In July, Portland got pretty famous for its shield wall, but like everything else, it needs to be a tactic that's carefully applied under certain conditions, or it can actually be a hindrance.
[00:30:37]  In theory, shield walls serve two main purposes, to deflect against projectiles and offer a first line of defense from charging enemies or people attacking with batons.
[00:30:48]  Shields are effective at stopping munition fire, but when facing bull rushes, shields are grabbed by police and used to gain leverage on protesters to push them onto the ground or destabilize them so they can be attacked and arrested.
[00:31:00]  One element of a truly effective shield wall, whether you're advancing or simply holding your ground, is people behind the shield wall throwing projectiles.
[00:31:09]  Because often merely a shield wall alone isn't enough to deter people, which is why when law enforcement brings out their shields, they also have people behind them shooting grenades, tear gas, and pepperballs.
[00:31:20]  Another advantage of the shield wall projectile combo is that shields can be used to visually obstruct the police from seeing who is throwing objects, making some targeted arrests more difficult.
[00:31:32]  But you better be confident in your throw or you might hit your friends.
[00:31:36]  Although, even having a shield in the first place makes you more of a target for arrests.
[00:31:41]  And if you touch an officer with your shield, let's say by an officer charging directly at you at full speed, you can get charged with assaulting a police officer.
[00:31:51]  Probably the most effective shield wall we've seen in Portland was not used against the PPB or the feds, but the Proud Boys and other street fascists on August 22nd.
[00:32:00]  All these different elements came together in a rare instance, a strong, tight, interlocking network of shields, with support from behind enough to stop incoming attackers, and folks behind the wall throwing rocks, water bottles, and fireworks.
[00:32:14]  Altogether, it was enough to break the far-right's more disorganized and individualistic shield wall.
[00:32:19]  And also, of course, the Proud Boys don't have arresting powers, so people are more free to push back with their shields.
[00:32:26]  Other consideration for shields depend on what your objective is and what tactics you use to achieve that objective.
[00:32:32]  In the fall, as crowds thinned and protests began to move faster, the large bulky shields were largely abandoned by some protesters in favor of umbrellas.
[00:32:42]  Shields can be heavy and awkward to move with.

=== Breaking Far-Right Shields (08:24) ===

[00:32:44]  Plus, there's getting the shield to the action, carrying it around, and then figuring out what you want to do with it afterwards.
[00:32:50]  These are all added considerations.
[00:32:54]  There's two golden rules that any man should live by.
[00:32:58]  Rule one, never mess with a country girl.
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[00:33:12]  I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of The Girlfriends...
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[00:33:17]  A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist.
[00:33:22]  I felt like I got hit by a truck.
[00:33:24]  I thought, how could this happen to me?
[00:33:26]  The cops didn't seem to care.
[00:33:28]  So they take matters into their own hands.
[00:33:31]  I said, oh, hell no.
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[00:34:05]  My dad gave me the best advice ever.
[00:34:08]  I went and had lunch with him one day, and I was like, and dad, I think I want to really give this a shot.
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[00:34:28]  And he's like, just give it a shot.
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[00:35:02]  10-10 shots fired, City Hall building.
[00:35:05]  A silver .40 caliber handgun was recovered at the scene.
[00:35:10]  From iHeart Podcasts and Best Case Studios, this is Rorschach, murder at City Hall.
[00:35:16]  How could this have happened in City Hall?
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[00:35:20]  July 2003, Councilman James E. Davis arrives at New York City Hall with a guest.
[00:35:26]  Both men are carrying concealed weapons.
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[00:35:38]  Everybody in the chamber's ducks.
[00:35:41]  A shocking public murder.
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[00:35:46]  A charismatic politician.
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[00:35:52]  And I could shoot you.
[00:35:55]  And an outsider with a secret.
[00:35:57]  He allegedly a victim of flat down.
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[00:36:02]  That may have been about sex.
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[00:37:15]  Particularly if you want to leave a protest more covertly.
[00:37:19]  As great as it may be to have a wooden foam or plastic shield in the moment as you're deflecting grenades or pushing off someone, it may not be worth all those extra trade-offs, especially if an umbrella can suffice at your munitions shielding needs.
[00:37:49]  Umbrellas are more of a multi-use tool that can adapt to different situations and even be concealable, especially collapsible ones.
[00:37:56]  While not as sturdy as a shield, umbrellas are generally less suspicious than huge wooden shields.
[00:38:02]  A reinforced banner can also provide some protection from munitions while also sending out a message.
[00:38:08]  However, some places have legal restrictions on what banners can be made of.
[00:38:12]  Throughout the summer, nightly actions focused on direct confrontation with police, often returning to repeatedly confront the same riot line.
[00:38:19]  By August, while protest tactics remained largely unchanged, the Portland police tactics began to change.
[00:38:26]  PPB alternated between nights of brutal bulrushes and fiscal violence, with only few arrests, and other nights where they conducted mass arrests of entire crowds.
[00:38:35]  They're not pressed.
[00:38:36]  Arrest them.
[00:38:41]  Back up.
[00:38:42]  You're under arrest.
[00:38:43]  Back up.
[00:38:45]  Give me your ass.
[00:38:46]  Back up.
[00:38:49]  They're not pressed.
[00:38:50]  Arrest them.
[00:38:52]  Not pressed right there.
[00:38:53]  You're going to jail.
[00:38:54]  You're going to jail?
[00:38:55]  How do you fucking stay in their face?
[00:38:58]  Excuse me?
[00:38:59]  By fall, smaller crowd sizes and less frequent actions required protesters to change up tactics as well.
[00:39:07]  Repeated direct confrontation with riot lines was in many ways a habit picked up from the days of mass mobilization at the fence, and such confrontations took arrests for granted.
[00:39:17]  Protesters were being treated as disposable.
[00:39:20]  When Portland had been the focus of national news, Facing Down Police Lines reliably generated front-page coverage of police brutality.
[00:39:28]  But by early fall, Portland was no longer the focus of attention.
[00:39:32]  And over time, the shock and awe of footage showcasing police brutality wears off, even as people keep getting hurt.
[00:39:40]  By October, nighttime actions began to involve smaller crowds of people in Black Block smashing the windows of banks, real estate firms, and Starbucks coffee shops, and then attempting to vanish into the night.
[00:39:51]  These actions raised familiar objections from the more moderate sectors of the movement and fit the right-wing narrative of the destructive Antifa boogeyman.
[00:39:59]  But as we touched on earlier, these actions were not to gain good optics, but instead to vent frustration that the previous demands for change had not been met, and to create an economic cost for the city in maintaining the status quo.
[00:40:13]  These marches echoed the black block snake marches of the 90s anti-globalization movement, and to a lesser extent, the bewater mantra of the Hong Kong protests.
[00:40:22]  Though in Hong Kong, Croads routinely targeted civil infrastructure.
[00:40:26]  This shift in tactics resulted in less arrests on average, though smaller crowd size made the diverse roles of the larger demonstrations impossible, and the prevalence of vandalism meant that those who were arrested could face some harsher charges.
[00:40:39]  Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler has admitted to the difficulty of combating such attack and disappear actions, saying, quote, they pop up wearing black from head to toe.
[00:40:49]  They go down streets relatively quickly.
[00:40:51]  Then they disappear into the wind.
[00:40:53]  Those tactics have evolved to a degree where we now find the law enforcement tools we have in place are dated.
[00:40:59]  We crock it!

=== Mind Games and Tactics (02:47) ===

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=== Gear for Protesters (15:26) ===

[00:43:57]  Since the summer of 2017, the image of black-clad Antifa militants has loomed large in the nation's imagination.
[00:44:05]  The garb which Wheeler describes as black from head to toe is, of course, black block, a counter-surveillance tactic which originated in Europe in the 1980s and was first popularized in the United States during the 1999 World Trade Organization protests in Seattle.
[00:44:21]  Traditionally, block serves to protect the identity of individuals involved in militant action, and people in block provide a defensive front line in larger protests, specifically in confrontations with police and the far right.
[00:44:33]  Theoretically, block should make it difficult to identify the wearer's gender, race, and age.
[00:44:39]  This has led to activists in Bloc being glossed over as young white anarchists, which Koska takes issues with.
[00:44:45]  If hearing that and believing that, it does talk to some people of color, main people whose ideas are listened to.
[00:45:08]  Given the prevalence of both CCTV and phone cameras in protest settings, even the small details can be uniquely identifying.
[00:45:15]  At a Seattle May Day action in 2012, one activist was ultimately identified by his shoes.
[00:45:21]  As such, modern block often includes removing logos and other recognizable elements from clothing.
[00:45:26]  This also means that morale patches or more tactical-looking gear can also be used to identify the wearer.
[00:45:32]  Block is a tactic, not an organization, a uniform, or identity.
[00:45:36]  Here's an Indigenous participant in The Wall of Mobs describing how she shifted from black block as the protests continued.
[00:45:43]  Yeah, I show up in block.
[00:45:44]  I just like started, just I just went out with like a shirt and a yellow shirt and some like black pants.
[00:45:51]  And now I'm like full block, like with everything I have a bullet to respect that was provided to me.
[00:46:00]  Yeah, so.
[00:46:03]  And how?
[00:46:04]  Transition has been crazy.
[00:46:05]  The status.
[00:46:06]  Just a small amount of months.
[00:46:08]  Yeah, so It's just I'm really big on being autonomous and not really having any leaders or things like that.
[00:46:21]  And as I just want to be another face in the crowd, I don't, and I don't, I want to be unrecognizable.
[00:46:30]  So I think that like that's why block block is so important.
[00:46:33]  I also don't want to be targeted and I want to be able to protect other people around me.
[00:46:41]  It's my responsibility to make sure that I am unrecognizable to like my other protesters and my friends.
[00:46:50]  Because if something happens to me, you know, one wrong move or getting doxxed or something like that can really affect everyone around me.
[00:47:00]  So that's why it was really important for me to kind of transition into black block.
[00:47:06]  I've just been seeing so many of like my friends and comrades just kind of like getting doxxed, just being recognized by like small things, even if they're in black blocks.
[00:47:19]  So it's just, I just feel like it's my responsibility if I'm going to be out there, then I need to be like unnoticeable or unrecognizable.
[00:47:31]  For obvious reasons, block is only protective in groups and draws the attention of law enforcement.
[00:47:37]  Another aspect of wearing block is bringing extra clothes and figuring out when and where you should take off your black block or de-block, as you probably don't want to get snatched up and arrested while leaving in action.
[00:47:49]  In Portland on January 20th, 2021, people were arrested on the sidewalk after a protest, many blocks away, just because they were still wearing black block.
[00:47:58]  And in doing so, matched the supposed description of people who vandalized a building, i.e. also wearing black clothes.
[00:48:05]  Lots of people actually wear normal clothes under their block, making de-blocking a little easier, but people still need to choose a time and discrete place to take off their black outer garments.
[00:48:16]  Besides shields, umbrellas, and block, the other gear people have acquired and brought to the protests also helped set Portland apart.
[00:48:24]  James from Portland Action Medics describes how the gear their organization provided mirrored the evolution of the movement.
[00:48:31]  The summer got really, really wild.
[00:48:34]  And, you know, first we had respirators, some of us, who are more seasoned protest medics, but they weren't widely used.
[00:48:45]  Because the thing about tear gas is like, if there's just a little bit of it, you can just walk away.
[00:48:49]  And like, it will burn your eyes.
[00:48:51]  But like, if you just go downwind or upwind, it's fine for most of the time.
[00:48:57]  But that's not true if they're using extraordinary quantities of it, such that entire parks are just full of gas, right?
[00:49:06]  So we went from a situation where respirators were kind of this niche, like gearhead thing to an absolute necessity, basically overnight.
[00:49:17]  And then we learned a lot about what kind of cartridges filter out COVID versus what kind of cartridges filter out tear gas and how to combine them with each other.
[00:49:28]  And then we were like making little like tear gas canister snack packs for people that are like, these sandwich bags contain both together and you should just plug them right in.
[00:49:39]  We pre-assembled them for you.
[00:49:41]  Here's your gas mask.
[00:49:41]  And then I was like, well, what if we get full-face gas masks that have included eye shields?
[00:49:48]  That should probably happen because we're in a pandemic.
[00:49:50]  Portland Action Medics and others distributed hundreds of respirators and began using 3D printers to make gas mask inserts for eyeglasses, as glasses are notoriously incompatible with full-face masks.
[00:50:02]  As police violence continued and violence from the far right escalated, James says additional gear became necessary.
[00:50:09]  Think it has mostly been in response to far-right fighters coming into Portland that we have really been a lot more worried about gunshots intentionally being fired at people potentially in a mass way.
[00:50:28]  You know, like all police come with guns, and so that's always a possibility.
[00:50:33]  But like, we have yet, we saw some brandishing of firearms at people from the feds over the summer, but we have yet, to my knowledge, to see police fire live rounds on protesters.
[00:50:47]  But the far right, like, constantly runs around on the internet saying they're going to shoot us just every day.
[00:50:57]  And so, you know, depending on how seriously you take them, it's reasonable to prepare for such a thing.
[00:51:03]  And so, especially over the summer, as the rhetoric from the far right increased in extremeness, plus the, I mean, basically, like, if someone's firing projectiles at crowds indiscriminately, then it makes sense to wear a helmet and a vest, regardless of who those people are.
[00:51:25]  And it's hard to distinguish, it doesn't matter whether it's a cop or a fascist that is not wearing uniform doing that, right?
[00:51:33]  So, there's that.
[00:51:34]  So, like, throughout the summer, people were like, I need ballistics.
[00:51:38]  I need heavier ballistics.
[00:51:39]  I need a helmet.
[00:51:39]  I need a better helmet.
[00:51:41]  I need goggles.
[00:51:41]  I need better goggles.
[00:51:42]  I need shatterproof goggles because we kept seeing people just get really badly fucked up by projectiles.
[00:51:49]  So, there's that.
[00:51:50]  But then, yeah, specifically when it comes to gunshot wounds, we did a lot of preparations, especially leading up to the election, frankly, because the rhetoric about what people wanted to do was really scary.
[00:52:04]  And it's always impossible, basically, to tell how seriously to take these people.
[00:52:09]  Other necessary gear is ear protection for flashbangs.
[00:52:13]  This can be little foam earplugs or more bulky, noise-canceling headphones.
[00:52:17]  Air protection became very important during the Fed War, as flashbangs from the feds are way more powerful and damaging than the ones Portland police use.
[00:52:32]  Here's Donovan Smith.
[00:52:33]  Tear gas.
[00:52:34]  It was used almost every night in the more than 100 days of protests in Portland, both by local police and then revved up again during the federal occupation.
[00:52:44]  But what exactly was this so-called gas that was filling the streets of Portland each night, anyways?
[00:52:50]  Well, turns out it's a wartime chemical banned by the 1925 Geneva Convention.
[00:52:55]  Following the First World War, a protocol nixing the use of poisonous gases during warfare was adopted, including some lethal compounds like chlorine and hydrogen gas.
[00:53:07]  And while its name sounds like something that would make you feel similar to cutting up onions at dinner, a deeper look into its true effects began to open up a much clearer picture on why it's been banned as a tool of warfare for decades.
[00:53:19]  Turns out, tear gas isn't even a gas at all.
[00:53:23]  It's sort of a chemical explosion, one where a chemical powder gets heated up really quick and mixed with the solvent and finally released as an aerosol.
[00:53:33]  And voila, tear gas.
[00:53:35]  Its sole purpose from there is to induce pain.
[00:53:38]  Dr. Anita Randolph explains its effects here.
[00:53:42]  She led a research paper on the effects of tear gas commissioned by Don't Shoot Portland, published in late June, just weeks after the uprisings began.
[00:53:50]  Tear gas is actually a solid.
[00:53:52]  That's why they're packed in that canister.
[00:53:55]  So there's a few chemical reactions that have to happen to convert it to a gas-like substance.
[00:54:03]  So when you're out there and you're getting tear gas, you know, it's kind of like this white mist or white powder everywhere.
[00:54:11]  And that's because it has to be heated up to be able to be dispersed, right?
[00:54:17]  And then once it's dispersed, you have this big book.
[00:54:20]  And then it just allows it to spread over a larger radius.
[00:54:23]  I think in the paper from our research, we showed that one canister of tear gas can reach like a 400 meter squared radius, which is like a one loop around a track, which is large, right?
[00:54:37]  Because once you stretch it out, that's like a lot of area that it can cover.
[00:54:42]  And it's also like very potent.
[00:54:44]  It can penetrate glass, right?
[00:54:45]  So that's why people were dressing in layers too, right?
[00:54:48]  Even me, I was like, oh man, when I learned that, I was like dressing in layers.
[00:54:52]  You know, people getting tear gas, they're like shedding layers outside because it just, it just goes through and it just once it's on your skin, especially when you're sweating and those glands are open, it's just very painful.
[00:55:04]  I can honestly say, I don't, I don't, I'm not too motivated to get tear gas.
[00:55:08]  The pain isn't just exclusive to humans.
[00:55:11]  Similar reactions are caused in animals too, even causing death at certain levels of exposure.
[00:55:17]  A 2019 protest in Hong Kong saw a nearby veterinary clinic forced to evacuate all its feline patients after police began shooting the so-called riot control agents into the crowd of nearby demonstrators.
[00:55:30]  Not all the cats could be moved in time though.
[00:55:33]  In one case, an 18-month-year-old cat reportedly began clawing at its eyes after inhaling the gas.
[00:55:40]  While there's little documentation on how tear gas affected the critters of Portland, they certainly were a feature of the protests with one standout being a 350-pound llama named Caesar.
[00:55:51]  His owner, a central Oregon man, says he bought Caesar to the demonstrations to boost morale and would quickly depart with him when munitions began sounding off.
[00:56:01]  And while Caesar went unscathed, we cannot say the same with certainty for all our other furry friends.
[00:56:08]  Another possible victim of Portland's bouts of chemical warfare was one of the city's pride and joys, its environment.
[00:56:14]  Early in the protest, concerned eyes turned towards the Willamette River, the de facto divider between the city's east and west side, the 13th largest north flowing river in the United States.
[00:56:26]  The Willamette also shares the distinction of being a superfund site, meaning it's been pegged by the feds as one of the most toxic sites in the entire country, a not so distant relic of the heavy industrial activity, particularly along a 10-mile stretch spanning from the Burnside Bridge to Sylvey's Island.
[00:56:45]  In short, the Willamette is no stranger to abuse.
[00:56:49]  But some began to wonder if all the CS gas and pepper spray runoff was furthering those harms as cleanup crews power washed the residue into storm drains leading to the river.
[00:57:00]  The city's Bureau of Environmental Services began vacuuming tear gas residue from the drains surrounding the downtown Justice Center in August during the Fed occupation to prevent any toxic harms.
[00:57:12]  But despite a wealth of research on the effects of tear gas, little seemed to be known on both its short and long-term effects on the environment.
[00:57:21]  So the move came as a bit of a preventative shot in the dark.
[00:57:25]  According to the Bureau, at the very least, the gas was an illegal discharge as no other substances besides rainwater are allowed down the drains.
[00:57:34]  Morgan from the mutual aid protege cleanup group, Team Raccoon, said they could feel the remnants in the air returning to ground zero every morning.
[00:57:43]  Basically, we got a little bit of money from mutual aid donations.
[00:57:52]  And we were wondering what, because park cleans are pretty low cost, you know, trash bags, trash scrabbers, it doesn't cost a lot of money to maintain that.
[00:58:03]  So we were wondering like what do we do with this money that will really help our community and we were noticing the air quality in Lowndesdale and Chapman getting worse and worse and worse because of the tear gas and the chemical munitions every night.
[00:58:15]  Even just walking through there during the day, you wanted to put your respirator on at the end of July.
[00:58:21]  The move led to a mass mobilization of respirators and on-the-ground research into the gas.
[00:58:26]  Morgan continues.
[00:58:28]  So we were connected to some researchers who wanted to keep a certain level of anonymity and we decided the best way to do that was through us.
[00:58:42]  We could accept filters from the protest community and we could give them to the researchers.
[00:58:47]  The researchers could conduct their studies in the privacy that they want and we could use mutual aid money to facilitate that.
[00:58:56]  Meanwhile, city bureaucrats began running their own tests on the sediments collected from the nearby drains to test for the primary chemicals associated with tear gas, hexavillant, chrorium, petroleate, barium, and cyanide.
[00:59:12]  The following month, the Bureau released its findings saying that while there were higher levels of toxins at the source of the storm drains, by the time they hit the river, levels were pretty much normal.

=== Chemical Warfare Risks (15:40) ===

[00:59:24]  The results only accounted for the August round of chemicals found in the river.
[00:59:28]  BES officials insisted, however, that the testing was thorough as it accounted for the buildup of chemicals that had been deployed since the George uprisings in late May.
[00:59:39]  This didn't stop five environmental groups from teaming up to launch a lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security, alleging they were out of compliance with the National Environmental Policy Act by not conducting an assessment on the impacts of their gas ahead of using it, breaking federal law.
[00:59:57]  Represented by the ACLU, the groups seeked a complete stoppage in federal usage of tear gas.
[01:00:05]  DHS ended up pulling out before the ruling was made, but the question continued to loom, what exactly were the long-term effects of tear gas?
[01:00:15]  It's a question that's further complicated when considering the findings of Chemical Weapons Research Consortium, who say during the Fed's occupation, a mix of CS gas and toxic chemical smoke grenades made hexachlorothane or HC gas.
[01:00:33]  HC is a toxic compound banned by the U.S. military for its severe health effects, but was deployed repeatedly by federal agents against the people of Portland, easily identifiable by the way the canisters glow red, continuously spouting dense, opaque smoke for a minute or more.
[01:00:51]  Juniper Siminis, who helped lead the research team, explains its effects here.
[01:00:57]  I saw a number of people that had basically chemical burns, like chemical mist burns, that they had never had with other gases.
[01:01:05]  The stomach set of symptoms, so if you ingest it, which you would do through gulping or just having your mouth open walking through gas, that will cause vomiting, nausea, and that whole kind of set of symptoms because your body knows that zinc is bad.
[01:01:26]  It wants it out.
[01:01:28]  In your lungs, however, what happens is zinc chloride is really corrosive because of the chlorine.
[01:01:39]  Among the complications, a number of protesters reported having prolonged irregular menstrual cycles, sometimes bleeding for weeks after exposure to the gas.
[01:01:50]  Oregon Public Broadcasting spoke with 26 people who attended the protests and self-reported changes in their bodies.
[01:01:57]  Effects reported included trans people who had ceased taking testosterone shots, beginning to menstruate again.
[01:02:04]  Others reported pain so uncomfortable, they had to take a trip to the hospital.
[01:02:08]  In one month alone, others reported multiple cycles.
[01:02:11]  For a long time, especially right now with COVID, it's kind of hard to tweeze out if somebody has a long-term symptom that's going to linger for a while.
[01:02:22]  I think due to the pandemic, it's going to confound a lot of these things a lot more.
[01:02:28]  It's going to make it a lot more difficult to tweeze out one from the other definitively, you know.
[01:02:36]  But I do think it needs to be investigated.
[01:02:38]  I hope people don't forget about it, especially with the unhoused.
[01:02:42]  You know, Portland has a really high number of unhoused individuals, and my heart broke for them like every day because, you know, we pack up and go home, but, you know, we're in their space, essentially.
[01:02:58]  So if it's getting tear gas every single night constantly, they are actually the ones that's getting exposed the most and have the highest frequency of exposure.
[01:03:09]  But for whatever reason, it's not too many people advocating for them in this space.
[01:03:16]  So I just really wanted to throw that out there.
[01:03:18]  While no definitive links have been made yet between tear gas and the irregular cycles, the string of complaints made for yet another worry as protesters hit the front lines each night, facing off with a police force armed with a banned war chemical whose true effects may not be known for years to come.
[01:03:36]  About a week after George Floyd's murder, Don't Shoot Portland lost a class action lawsuit against the city of Portland, alleging indiscriminate use of tear gas and excessive force at the hands of the Portland Police Bureau.
[01:03:50]  Shortly thereafter, U.S. District Judge Marco Hernandez ruled in their favor, placing a two-week restraining order on the bureau until further court ruling.
[01:04:01]  However, there was a catch.
[01:04:03]  In his 10-page ruling, the judge wrote the following, quote, in addition, tear gas use shall be limited to situations in which the lives or safety of the public or the police are at risk.
[01:04:16]  This includes the lives and safety of those housed at the Justice Center.
[01:04:20]  Tear gas shall not be used to disperse crowds where there is little or no risk of injury, end quote.
[01:04:26]  That little or no risk left a lot up to interpretation for the Portland Police Bureau.
[01:04:32]  Governor Kate Brown signed a bill that had banned tear gas following Hernandez's ruling that followed similar directives in July.
[01:04:40]  Tear gas was banned only until the police declare a riot loudly.
[01:04:45]  Police had already been loosened their existing directives for when and when not to use tear gas.
[01:04:51]  Up until then, the only thing preventing thousands from being draped in wartime chemicals was officers on the ground declaring the gathering a, quote, unlawful assembly.
[01:05:02]  After that, you'd have to hear something like this a few times.
[01:05:15]  Once this request for dispersal was given over the loudspeaker a few times, it was up to the incident commander to give the green light on firing the gas into the crowd.
[01:05:23]  After the so-called temporary ban, things pretty much continued to follow this pattern.
[01:05:28]  From the police chief to the mayor, officials at the city continued to argue that tear gas was a key tool in the cops' arsenal to disperse protesters.
[01:05:37]  But despite the questionable use of force breaching the First Amendment, the gas often encroached on those who weren't even on the front lines of the demonstrations.
[01:05:47]  Tear gas's grip loomed across the city.
[01:05:49]  And in the case of Demetia Smith, it followed her family home.
[01:05:54]  And all of a sudden, they seen flashing lights and looked outside.
[01:05:57]  And the whole PPA building was lined with riot officers.
[01:06:02]  And the last time we had protested, I don't remember the exact date.
[01:06:06]  We were downtown and it was the day it made news that the police had tear gassed.
[01:06:10]  Like there was a group of protesters that weren't a part of like a group of 3,000 people, but the police like tear gassed everybody that was down there.
[01:06:18]  My son was caught in the middle of that.
[01:06:19]  So he'd like already been like on edge about police.
[01:06:22]  So he'd called me freaking out that the riot police were all front of PA building in front of my mom's house.
[01:06:28]  And he was like crying like hysterically, like he didn't know what was going to happen.
[01:06:32]  And he was just telling me to be careful.
[01:06:34]  And there was no protesters there.
[01:06:35]  It was just all police.
[01:06:37]  But like their presence like had him freaked out and crying.
[01:06:40]  So I'm leaving work.
[01:06:42]  And when I come home, so I can't park there, can't even get through to there because at that time now the protesters have made it to the PPA building as well as the riot officers.
[01:06:53]  So I'm like circling around, circling around, and I couldn't park anywhere close enough.
[01:06:57]  So I parked my car at home and walked all the way through because I'm trying to get to my kid.
[01:07:06]  So I'm walking through and everybody, all of a sudden, you just start seeing smoke and whatnot.
[01:07:11]  But again, I'm in mom mode and like that's my house.
[01:07:15]  And again, I already, the police aren't, I've witnessed the police not acting right during protests.
[01:07:21]  They're like, no, they're trying to push me back.
[01:07:23]  And I'm like, I live right here.
[01:07:25]  You guys can see my ID.
[01:07:27]  100 days in, crowds continued to show up and cops continued to gas.
[01:07:32]  Tamura Ender lives just off of Ventura Park in East Portland.
[01:07:37]  On the 100th night of protests, he found his neighborhood blanketed in tear gas.
[01:07:42]  And I was like, oh, geez.
[01:07:44]  So then at that point, we make our way past tear gas again and basically climb our little fence and jump over that to get inside our house and make sure all the windows were closed.
[01:07:57]  And then we put towels under the two kids' rooms.
[01:08:00]  I mean, we have a, at that point, we had a one-month-old child, two-month-old child, and a two-year-old child.
[01:08:07]  And it's incredibly scary to have tear gas deployed.
[01:08:13]  It was more than one canister of tear gas that was deployed in front of our house.
[01:08:18]  And you don't have anywhere to go.
[01:08:19]  So the police are on all sides of my house.
[01:08:23]  There's loudspeakers, loud noises, tear gas being deployed.
[01:08:30]  I mean, the street in front of my house was a war zone.
[01:08:33]  The police turned it into a war zone and the response was over the top.
[01:08:38]  It was, in my opinion, meant to chill speech.
[01:08:42]  And I mean, we don't have gas masks in our house and they don't make a gas mask for a two-month-old child.
[01:08:51]  And so our options is limited.
[01:08:52]  I mean, if it was a private individual doing this, I could defend my house.
[01:08:58]  But I don't have that luxury when it's the government doing it.
[01:09:02]  Morgan, a member of Team Raccoon, had been cleaning up trash and spent munitions at protests throughout the summer.
[01:09:09]  After the ongoing gassing of neighborhoods, they shifted to supplying families with respirators for their children.
[01:09:15]  What we found was that the best situation was a 3M respirator for ages about seven and up.
[01:09:23]  And younger than that, what we do is we get something called a BARTA system, which is a pressure-positive hood that also has a straw and a sippy cup.
[01:09:34]  And it's made for young children.
[01:09:37]  The pressure positive hood helps so they don't have to have anything strapped to their face.
[01:09:42]  And the motor keeps it, keeps filtered air moving through the hood.
[01:09:49]  So it never It never stops moving out, and that's how they keep the tear gas away from children.
[01:09:58]  For infants, we weren't really able to find something that was super affordable and easy to get.
[01:10:08]  So for infants, we basically suggest what people do when they are trying to keep tear gas out of their homes.
[01:10:19]  Roll up a towel and put it under the door.
[01:10:23]  Try to get as far away from windows or any exit points as possible.
[01:10:29]  If you need to evac, you know, try to make sure that you get to safe air as quickly as possible.
[01:10:37]  But there aren't a lot of answers when you're talking about infant impact and tear gas or prevention from getting tear gas in infants' lungs.
[01:10:48]  As the smoke from September wildfire settled over Portland, Mayor Wheeler issued a ban on CS gas.
[01:10:54]  Wheeler's police bureau pushed back.
[01:10:56]  Both the police chief and their union head publicly rallied against him, with the Portland Police Association launching a full-on petition railing against the ban.
[01:11:04]  Then the smoke cleared.
[01:11:06]  Just days after Wheeler's ban, a familiar scene formed outside the Immigrations and Customs Enforcement Building, with calls by protesters to abolish ICE.
[01:11:15]  A group of about 100 gathered outside the facility and were met not by PPB, but federal agents.
[01:11:20]  Shortly after nightfall, tear gas ensued alongside pellets and smoke bombs.
[01:11:25]  Wheeler and Police Chief Lovell were quick to announce that their bureau wasn't responsible for the night's chaos, which ended with nearly a dozen arrests.
[01:11:32]  Protests continued in much this way in the days following the wildfires.
[01:11:37]  Direct actions around town at night, drawing out a few dozen people who would be met with police force and arrests.
[01:11:43]  And while the police force had yet to cease, the use of tear gas had come to a halt since the mayor's ban.
[01:11:48]  In the weeks leading up to the election, much of the city's downtown core was boarded up.
[01:11:52]  Businesses feared of broken windows.
[01:11:54]  At the local level, an unpopular mayor and police commissioner was set up for re-election with many constituents divided over whether or not to vote for his self-described everyday Antifa opponent Sarah Yannarone and a community-led writing campaign for don't shoot Portland founder Teresa Rayford, who came in third in the primaries.
[01:12:12]  This and other key council races had many on edge for the future of the city.
[01:12:16]  On top of that, the decidedly blue Portland, which had just seen a fatal clash of Trump caravans and BLM protesters, waited to see if the 45th president, who just occupied the city, would occupy the seat for four more years.
[01:12:29]  Wheeler eked out a win against his opponents, receiving less than the combined votes of Yannarone and the Ryd-ins, but enough to secure his seat again to the lament of many activists.
[01:12:39]  Trump lost to Biden.
[01:12:40]  Protests ensued.
[01:12:42]  Later that November, yet another tear gas-related suit was filed, this time by inmates of the Justice Center.
[01:12:48]  While the use of gas had come to a halt, their class action suit turned its finger at the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, alleging that from the first day of the protests, those caged at the Justice Center were left to suffer as gas from the outside seeped into their cells.
[01:13:02]  More than 300 inmates joined in the suit.
[01:13:04]  Many of them had yet to be convicted and were awaiting trial.
[01:13:08]  The suit described a number of alleged incidents of inmates coughing, wheezing, and kneeling over in agony in the weeks of protest.
[01:13:14]  They were stuck in their cells, and some repeated a familiar refrain, one that sparked global uprisings.
[01:13:20]  I can't breathe.
[01:13:22]  Tear gas continues to be a tool used by most urban police departments across the country.
[01:13:26]  The nightly chemical warfare that police enacted on Portland streets, along with other munitions, turned the city both into a battlefield and a testing ground.
[01:13:34]  The true mental, physical, and environmental effects of the gassing may not be realized for years to come.
[01:13:40]  But from Portland to Hong Kong, one thing remains clear.
[01:13:43]  While protest tactics may adapt over the years, the response of governments remains largely the same.
[01:13:48]  Suppress and silence dissent.
[01:13:51]  Portlanders continued to push back, imperfectly, but with more skill.
[01:13:55]  Some broke windows, while others simply claimed their streets, grabbed a bullhorn for the first time, and demanded to all who could hear that without justice, there would be no peace.
[01:14:04]  From optics to effectiveness, some on the so-called left were split on which roads best aided in the liberation of black lives.
[01:14:11]  And while diversity of tactics got sticky at times, many will argue that the norm most protesters rail against is more insufferable.
[01:14:19]  We quoted Malcolm X at the beginning of this episode.
[01:14:21]  One of the most popular phrases he's known for is, by any means necessary.
[01:14:26]  As we reflect on the lessons of the ongoing movement for black lives and the months of protests that took over Portland, we'll leave you with a more full version of that quote he gave during a speech at the founding of the Organization of Afro-American Unity in 1964.
[01:14:41]  We declare our right on this earth to be a human being, to be respected as a human being, to be given the rights of a human being in this society, on this earth, in this day, which we intend to bring into existence by any means necessary.
[01:14:54]  Last episode, you may remember us speaking with Juna Persimenus about chemical munitions used by the feds and local law enforcement during the 2020 protests.

=== By Any Means Necessary (02:02) ===

[01:15:04]  We wanted to offer a correction about some of the statements issued during that last episode.
[01:15:10]  Juna Persiminus is in fact Dr. Juna Persiminus with 15 years under their belt as a quantitative conservation biologist.
[01:15:18]  In the research we said they helped lead with chemical weapons research consortorium on hexachlorothane gas or HC gas.
[01:15:27]  They didn't so much as help lead, but in fact spearheaded the effort with the assistance of some volunteers.
[01:15:34]  There's in fact a wide-ranging array of research and science regarding HC gas and tear gas out in the world, some dating back decades.
[01:15:43]  But even today, researchers continue to unearth more understanding about what the real impacts of these chemicals are on humans, animals and wildlife, and the environment at large.
[01:15:55]  Another thing is, scientists are sort of constant skeptics.
[01:16:00]  So when we say that no definitive links have been drawn, when it comes to research, especially in the world of science, it's almost an oxymoronic statement.
[01:16:11]  Everything can be challenged to gain better understandings of the floating rock we live on and everything else beyond it.
[01:16:18]  What we do know for sure is that the countless munitions unleashed on Portland left scores of protesters ailing.
[01:16:25]  As scientists continue to unearth new research on these chemicals, the uprising team would like to offer our apology for the errors reported in that last episode.
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[01:19:57]  I'm Laurie Siegel, and this is Mostly Human, a tech podcast through a human lens.
[01:20:01]  This week, an interview with OpenAI CEO Sam Altman.
[01:20:05]  I think society is going to decide that creators of AI products bear a tremendous amount of responsibility to the products we put out in the world.
[01:20:12]  An in-depth conversation with the man who's shaping our future.
[01:20:15]  My highest order bit is to not destroy the world with AI.
[01:20:18]  Listen to Mostly Human on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
[01:20:27]  On the Serving Pancakes podcast, conversations about volleyball go beyond the court.
[01:20:31]  Today we have a little best friend compatibility.
[01:20:34]  Hey, and how long have we been best friends?
[01:20:35]  Since the day we met.
[01:20:36]  As the League One volleyball season heads towards its final stretch, there's no better time to tune in.
[01:20:40]  You'll hear unfiltered analysis, behind-the-scenes stories, and conversations with leaders making an impact across the sport.
[01:20:46]  Whether you're following the final push of love season or just love the game, serving pancakes brings you closer to the action and the people shaping the future of volleyball.
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