Behind the Bastards - Part One: The U.S. Border Patrol Is A Nightmare That Never Ends
Aired: 2020-08-06
Duration: 01:25:25


=== Indigenous Land Loss and Genocide (15:17) ===

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[00:02:28]  You know, introducing a podcast is a little bit like making love.
[00:02:34]  It's not.
[00:02:36]  It's not at all.
[00:02:37]  I'm so sorry.
[00:02:38]  I'm Robert Evans failing to introduce my podcast yet again.
[00:02:42]  It's behind the bastards.
[00:02:44]  It's about terrible people.
[00:02:46]  I'm so sorry, everyone.
[00:02:48]  I was trying to open with my folksy wisdom, but I have none.
[00:02:52]  And I've got, now I've botched the start of this episode.
[00:02:56]  Here to attempt to take away some of my shame is Caitlin Duranty.
[00:03:01]  Caitlin, how are you doing today?
[00:03:03]  Oh, you know, I'm just barely keeping it together at any moment.
[00:03:08]  But otherwise.
[00:03:10]  Caitlin, can you think of any similarities between introducing a podcast and making love?
[00:03:15]  Well, let me think about that.
[00:03:20]  Oh, I have one.
[00:03:21]  I have one.
[00:03:21]  I have one.
[00:03:23]  Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:03:24]  The audio levels can go up and down.
[00:03:27]  The audio levels can go up and down.
[00:03:28]  That's a good similarity.
[00:03:30]  Thank you very much.
[00:03:31]  Sure.
[00:03:32]  Maybe an entire episode, not just introducing an episode, but an entire episode, I think you could draw some parallels between.
[00:03:39]  Because you've got, you know, there's like the intro is sort of like the foreplay.
[00:03:43]  And then you've got, you know, usually a big climactic finish to the episode.
[00:03:48]  Well, there you go, everybody.
[00:03:49]  If you were trying to, we figured it out.
[00:03:51]  You wanted to compare a random episode of my podcast about bad people to making love.
[00:03:55]  Caitlin Duranty has kind of made it easier.
[00:04:00]  Maybe.
[00:04:01]  Caitlin, how are you doing today?
[00:04:02]  I'm all right.
[00:04:04]  You know, I'm just in your closet recording.
[00:04:10]  I'm in my closet.
[00:04:11]  You're in your closet.
[00:04:12]  I'm looking at your luggage right now.
[00:04:14]  Nice luggage.
[00:04:14]  I see you go with the hard shell.
[00:04:16]  Thank you.
[00:04:17]  Yes.
[00:04:19]  It is a really nice closet, if I remember from the photos you sent me.
[00:04:22]  Like, it's a very good size closet.
[00:04:24]  It truly is.
[00:04:25]  Thank you so much.
[00:04:26]  You want to hear a little story about me, Caitlin?
[00:04:29]  Because I'm a narcissist.
[00:04:30]  Okay.
[00:04:31]  So, you know, I travel a lot too, Caitlin, and I have refused my entire traveling life to have like a hard-shelled roly suitcase, even though they're much more comfortable to use at the airport than a backpack.
[00:04:44]  Because as a young man with an indestructible spine, I was like, only stupid old people use the roly backpacks.
[00:04:53]  I'm going to be a young adventurer forever, and I just get to wear a backpack.
[00:04:57]  And now I just hurt myself every time I go to the airport out of pride.
[00:05:00]  And that's why men shouldn't be allowed to hold political office.
[00:05:06]  Couldn't agree with you more.
[00:05:09]  Yeah, you mean you carry around one of those like big, like backpacking backpacks.
[00:05:16]  Horrible, horrible.
[00:05:17]  Sometimes they carry a duffel bag, even worse.
[00:05:19]  That's absurd.
[00:05:21]  Yeah, it's a terrible idea.
[00:05:24]  But you know, it does tie in with the theme of today's episode.
[00:05:27]  Because what do you do with backpacks and roly suitcases, Caitlin?
[00:05:32]  I mean, you bring them with you to travel.
[00:05:34]  You bring them with you to cross borders.
[00:05:38]  Yeah.
[00:05:39]  And today, we're talking about the motherfucking Migra, the Border Patrol.
[00:05:44]  Oh, boy.
[00:05:46]  Caitlin, I just want to say, nice job.
[00:05:48]  Yeah.
[00:05:48]  That was great.
[00:05:49]  Thanks.
[00:05:49]  It's been a long journey to starting the episode this week, but I think we got there nicely.
[00:05:55]  Yeah, sorry to everyone who's been, you know, this has been a little bit of a weird run of Behind the Bastards, the uprising episodes.
[00:06:03]  We're still going to be doing the dictators and grifters, you know, that are our bread and butter.
[00:06:08]  But I keep getting obsessed with different law enforcement agencies, particularly the ones, you know, shooting at me.
[00:06:15]  And so I started just kind of reading a bunch about customs and border patrol this last week or so, and I couldn't stop.
[00:06:23]  And so I wrote a lot about them.
[00:06:25]  And now we're all going to talk about Border Patrol.
[00:06:27]  Because Caitlin, did you know the Border Patrol kind of problematic?
[00:06:31]  Wait a minute.
[00:06:32]  What do you mean?
[00:06:34]  Yeah, not nice dudes, as it turns out, and have kind of been dicks for like a hundred something years or like a hundred years.
[00:06:43]  They've been dicks for a long time, very close to a hundred years.
[00:06:46]  Okay.
[00:06:47]  96 years.
[00:06:48]  All right.
[00:06:49]  Yeah.
[00:06:50]  Which, you know, they still have time to change.
[00:06:52]  You know, a lot of people have their best, their best, you know, their second act after age 96.
[00:06:58]  Yeah, I would say that applies to a large number of people.
[00:07:03]  A lot of tortoises, at least.
[00:07:06]  A lot of tortoises go on to do very cool things after age 96.
[00:07:10]  Yeah, trees as well.
[00:07:11]  There's a lot of old trees that are important things.
[00:07:14]  Border Patrol could be like a sequoia.
[00:07:17]  Yeah.
[00:07:18]  But I don't know how likely I think that is.
[00:07:21]  So we're going to talk about, we're going to talk about Lamigra today because they're terrible.
[00:07:25]  And I don't think most people know how terrible they are.
[00:07:27]  And their terribility is important because it is tied in with a lot of horrible things about this country and the very concept of whiteness.
[00:07:38]  So how are you feeling about that, Caitlin?
[00:07:41]  You know, I don't feel good about it.
[00:07:43]  I really don't.
[00:07:45]  That's good because my cunning plan has been to blame you personally for all of the historical crimes of the U.S. Border Patrol.
[00:07:52]  Well, I did invent them.
[00:07:58]  You launched the Immigration Act of 1924.
[00:08:01]  That's Caitlin Durante's.
[00:08:03]  That's on your resume.
[00:08:04]  Yeah, I didn't want that to be my legacy, but here we are.
[00:08:08]  Yeah, a lot of people don't know this, but you used to be all of Congress in the early 1920s.
[00:08:14]  Yeah.
[00:08:15]  Yeah.
[00:08:15]  I mean, pretty impressive when you think about it.
[00:08:17]  Yeah, no, it really is.
[00:08:18]  Yeah.
[00:08:19]  Congress Durante.
[00:08:20]  Yeah, you were instead of Caitlin, you were Congress Durante.
[00:08:23]  That's true.
[00:08:24]  If we're going to talk about the Border Patrol, we've got to talk about the border.
[00:08:27]  And given that the territory we currently know as like Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and even Mexico is all land that was stolen from indigenous people.
[00:08:36]  This is not like a case where there's a lot of good guys to choose from.
[00:08:38]  If you're talking about like conflicts over the U.S.-Mexican border, you're talking about like a bunch of different states that kind of sucked fighting each other for land that wasn't theirs.
[00:08:51]  That's the whole deal, right?
[00:08:53]  Yes.
[00:08:54]  So the U.S.-Mexican War of 1846 to 1848 is the conflict that gained our nation most of the modern Southwest.
[00:09:02]  It was a naked war of imperialist aggression against another nation that brutally subjugated indigenous peoples.
[00:09:08]  One can argue that Mexico was like a broadly better country than the U.S. at this point, since it didn't allow slavery, but both countries, not great to anyone, any like indigenous peoples or whatever.
[00:09:23]  Just bad governments.
[00:09:25]  So at the end of the U.S.-Mexican War, the United States wound up occupying Mexico City, and that nation was forced to cede 50% of its northern territory in the resulting treaty.
[00:09:35]  And I think a lot of Americans who grow up kind of outside of the Southwest don't really have a clear idea of how much land the United States got as a result of the U.S.-Mexican War, but we took a shitload of land from Mexico.
[00:09:49]  It's fucking crazy how much of this country used to be Mexico, like up into Oklahoma.
[00:09:55]  Yeah, I don't have a good gauge on that because I grew up in Pennsylvania and that just wasn't something that they bothered to tell us in history class.
[00:10:05]  Yeah, we weren't like most of the Southwest was kind of at one point or another part of Mexico.
[00:10:13]  And so, yeah, we took about 50% of Mexico's northern territory and a new U.S.-Mexican border was redrawn along the Rio Grande from the Gulf to El Paso and then along more or less an arbitrary line further west up the Pacific.
[00:10:26]  Now, this meant that a huge number of people who'd previously lived in Mexico and had been able to travel freely around territory that was all part of one nation now found themselves living in between two nations.
[00:10:37]  This included roughly 180,000 members of indigenous tribes as well as about 150,000 Mexicans.
[00:10:43]  So these 300,000-ish non-white folks owned most of the land in like the territories in the southwest that became Texas and some of the surrounding states.
[00:10:53]  And the decades after the U.S.-Mexican War are kind of best viewed as a gradual process of white people taking this land from non-white people.
[00:11:01]  Some of it through purchase, some of it through like violent threats and intimidation, some of it as a result of the reservation system kicking indigenous people off of their ancestral land, and some of it through just like good old, you know, good old, good old-fashioned genocide, Caitlin.
[00:11:16]  Just like the, just like really getting your boots in it, you know?
[00:11:19]  I mean, those are the main principles that the U.S. was founded on, right?
[00:11:24]  White people stealing land from non-white people and genociding them.
[00:11:29]  You're gosh darn right, Caitlin.
[00:11:31]  You're gosh darn right.
[00:11:32]  And that's why when I get up in the, I'm just thinking of like a Folger's coffee commercial, you know, one of those old ones where it's like a cowboy getting up on the range, Sipping a Folger's coffee and then just like stepping into a pile of bones and just being like, ah, nothing like a nice morning walking barethrop through a pile of bones, the thing that I do every day as a cowboy.
[00:11:55]  Yeah, why wasn't that their ad campaign for Folgers?
[00:11:59]  Folgers will murder everybody.
[00:12:02]  Coffee helps.
[00:12:10]  Oh, I was drinking coffee and it went down the wrong hole, Caitlin.
[00:12:13]  Oh, no.
[00:12:13]  Wow.
[00:12:14]  See, coffee can't be stopped from attempting genocide.
[00:12:18]  Even coffee wants to murder.
[00:12:21]  Coffee wants nothing but to murder.
[00:12:23]  So as we discussed in our last episode of the Behind the Police miniseries that we just did, the Texas Rangers was kind of the first border patrol type force in the Southwest.
[00:12:35]  And they began their history as a group, like a paramilitary organization to protect white settlers in Texas.
[00:12:41]  They were formed by a local mayor named John Jackson Tumlinson, who was part of the old 300 white families who first settled in Texas with Stephen F. Austin.
[00:12:50]  Now, it wasn't a popular decision for these 300 families to settle in Texas.
[00:12:55]  And the Comanches, Tonkawas, Apaches, and Karankawas, who already resided in the area, got kind of angry and started murdering them.
[00:13:02]  So Tumlinson ordered the formation of a roving defensive patrol.
[00:13:06]  This patrol became the Texas Rangers, but Tumlinson never got to see it formed because he was almost immediately killed by Karankawa and Huako indigenous people before he got off the ground.
[00:13:17]  That sounds like karma to me.
[00:13:19]  Yeah, it sounds like it's fine.
[00:13:20]  Like, a shame they didn't get more people.
[00:13:23]  So the Rangers were kind of this country's first border patrol force, and the primary method of action for them was just, again, really just straight up genocide.
[00:13:31]  In the early days, they were like a paramilitary army.
[00:13:34]  They acted as scouts for actual militias.
[00:13:35]  They would swoop in and force indigenous people out of their homes and onto reservations, but would also just burn their villages sometime and murder their women and children.
[00:13:43]  Because, you know, whatever.
[00:13:46]  Sometimes you come into the office and you want to do things different.
[00:13:51]  I don't know.
[00:13:52]  Yeah, they also engaged in the murder and intimidation of Mexicans in border communities.
[00:13:56]  And by the early 1900s, the indigenous folks had mostly been forced off of their land.
[00:14:00]  And the Rangers had become a police force focused mainly on Mexicano, Mexicano communities on the border.
[00:14:06]  The primary strategy was what's known to historians as revenge by proxy.
[00:14:12]  And for an example of how that looked, I'm going to quote from the American Crossroads book, Migra.
[00:14:17]  Quote, On June 12th, 1901, a Mexicano rancher named Gregorio Cortez stood at the gate of his home in Cayaranes County, Texas.
[00:14:25]  There, he resisted arrest for a crime that he did not commit.
[00:14:28]  The sheriff persisted, drew his gun, and shot Gregorio's brother in the mouth when he charged at the sheriff to protect Gregorio.
[00:14:34]  Gregorio shot back and killed the sheriff, an act that was sure to bring the Texas Rangers to his doorstep.
[00:14:38]  When they came, Gregorio and his family, including his wounded brother, were gone.
[00:14:42]  All that remained was the dead body of the sheriff.
[00:14:44]  The news of Gregorio's deadly defiance quickly spread across southern Texas.
[00:14:49]  And yeah, for 10 days, the Texas Rangers and posse numbering up to 300 men hunted for him.
[00:14:54]  When they could not find him, they sought revenge by proxy, arresting, brutalizing, and murdering an unknown number of Mexicanos.
[00:15:00]  So that's like how the Texas Rangers kind of worked for a while is a Hispanic person commits a crime or a perceived crime, and if they can't catch him to murder him publicly, they just kill a bunch of other random Mexicans so that like people don't get uppity.
[00:15:15]  That's the first border patrol.

=== Origins of Border Patrol Racism (11:59) ===

[00:15:17]  Horrible.
[00:15:18]  Pretty bad, Caitlin.
[00:15:20]  Pretty bad.
[00:15:21]  Don't like it.
[00:15:22]  I don't like it one bit.
[00:15:24]  Okay, so you are on the record now about not being in favor of murdering random people as part of a fear-based system of law enforcement.
[00:15:38]  Yes, and I am happy to be on the record of staking.
[00:15:41]  That's a bold stance.
[00:15:42]  That's a bold stance.
[00:15:43]  It's going to lose you some advertisers, Caitlin, especially our big advertiser, Raytheon.
[00:15:49]  Yeah.
[00:15:49]  When you really need a group of people intimidated by violence, there's no other option but Raytheon.
[00:15:56]  Raytheon.
[00:15:57]  It's not even time.
[00:15:57]  But a robot.
[00:15:58]  It's not even time for an ad break.
[00:16:00]  You're just doing it.
[00:16:00]  I know.
[00:16:02]  That's a free one.
[00:16:03]  Raytheon just had to lay off a lot of employees, Sophie.
[00:16:05]  And I, for one, have a sense of loyalty.
[00:16:07]  So I'm trying to help Raytheon out with some free ads.
[00:16:11]  So look, if you've got a couple billion extra dollars that you need to spend on missiles that are filled with knives in order to assassinate insurgent leaders in Yemen, look, don't go to Lockheed Martin.
[00:16:22]  Go to Raytheon, okay?
[00:16:24]  It's just better knife missiles, right?
[00:16:26]  That's all I'm going to say.
[00:16:28]  Brave.
[00:16:29]  I have a sense of loyalty.
[00:16:31]  So for the first 20 years of the century, the U.S.-Mexican border was policed by a mix of Texas Rangers and local sheriffs.
[00:16:38]  Such enforcement was always piecemeal with hundreds of miles of borderland operating basically autonomously, as it had for generations.
[00:16:45]  Like the idea that we would police our border didn't exist until pretty recently.
[00:16:50]  For most of American history, it was just like, well, yeah, you've got this big empty chunk of country and eventually it becomes Mexico and it's nobody's, nobody really gives a shit.
[00:17:01]  Yeah, you see, all these communities had existed for forever, for hundreds of years in a lot of cases.
[00:17:05]  And, you know, they had family who would be up in Mexico or up in the United States.
[00:17:09]  And it would have seemed like it would have seemed like madness to try to split these communities up based on an arbitrary borderline that nobody could even see.
[00:17:21]  But yeah, in the 1920s, that started to change.
[00:17:25]  In 1924, the Immigration Act was passed.
[00:17:28]  And the Immigration Act banned all immigration to the United States from Asia.
[00:17:32]  And it massively reduced immigration in from southern and eastern Europe.
[00:17:36]  The goal of the act was for the first time to enshrine in law the federal government's preference for Nordic whites above non-white people when it came to immigration.
[00:17:46]  So basically set up a quota system.
[00:17:49]  Yikes.
[00:17:50]  Yeah, have you heard about this?
[00:17:51]  This is when we decided that only one kind of white people were allowed in the country.
[00:18:00]  This is the Italians aren't white enough law.
[00:18:04]  But people used to really care about that, right?
[00:18:06]  In the 1924 Immigration Act, a big part of it was stopping Italians, or as they would have called them, IITalians, which used to be, I think, more racist than it is and is now just a funny old-timey way of making fun of Italians, which I'm always in favor of, Caitlin.
[00:18:25]  How do you feel about that?
[00:18:26]  You do know that my last name is Durante and that I am partly Italian.
[00:18:30]  Yeah, so am I. That's why it's okay.
[00:18:32]  Good.
[00:18:32]  All right.
[00:18:33]  Awesome.
[00:18:33]  Yeah.
[00:18:35]  Are we, are we white?
[00:18:37]  How's that?
[00:18:38]  How's that work?
[00:18:40]  I have heard slightly varying things, but I think by and large, Italian people are considered white.
[00:18:49]  Yes.
[00:18:49]  I was looking at a Nazi cartoon the other day because I do things like that for my mental health.
[00:18:56]  And it was like the point it was making is that like social justice advocates are always white and fascists are actually really diverse.
[00:19:04]  And so like it was a bunch of white people lecturing Hitler, Mussolini, and Hirohito.
[00:19:10]  But because it was drawn by a fascist, they drew in Mussolini as a black man because they don't think Italians are white.
[00:19:17]  So it's just like there were a lot of layers of wrongness there to parse through.
[00:19:22]  It was one of those things that looked very confusing to people who don't immediately recognize, oh, these are the kind of racists who don't even think Italians count as white.
[00:19:31]  It's very funny.
[00:19:33]  But in the 1920s, that was all of Congress.
[00:19:37]  Sure.
[00:19:37]  And they were like, we got to pass a law to stop these Italians from coming in.
[00:19:41]  So, yeah, the Immigration Act of 1924 bans all Asian immigration and tries to kind of restrict to only the right kind of white people.
[00:19:49]  And the one real exception to this, the only kind of like non-white folks who were allowed into the country under the Immigration Act without any kind of restriction were Mexicans.
[00:20:02]  And this is because of hardcore labor or lobbying by the agricultural industry, right?
[00:20:06]  Because basically, you had all these ranchers and farmers in Texas, particularly and in the Southwest who were like, our entire industry doesn't work without these people.
[00:20:15]  So you have to let them in.
[00:20:18]  So the 1924 Act does kind of make an exception for that.
[00:20:22]  It's very heavily based on race science.
[00:20:25]  And in fact, like a big factor in what got the act passed was a bunch of bogus studies conducted by the Eugenics Research Office at Cold Spring Harbor that kind of provided intellectual justification for the law by arguing that the wrong kind of immigrants would leave the surges in violent crime and declines in IQ.
[00:20:43]  I just don't like this.
[00:20:44]  No, this is bad.
[00:20:45]  This is bad.
[00:20:46]  And the 1924 Immigration Act is what establishes the U.S. Border Patrol for the very first time.
[00:20:52]  So this fundamentally racist law written by people who justified it explicitly with race, like bad race science, is where the Border Patrol is initially established.
[00:21:03]  So literally born in an orgy of racism.
[00:21:07]  And in fact, the 1924 Immigration Act that established the Border Patrol was so nakedly racist that Adolf Hitler took inspiration from it.
[00:21:16]  In 19 Yeah, it's bad.
[00:21:18]  It's really bad, Caitlin.
[00:21:20]  This is where Border Patrol comes from.
[00:21:22]  Oh, no.
[00:21:24]  Yeah, it's not great.
[00:21:26]  In 1928, Hitler wrote this of the law.
[00:21:29]  There is currently one state in which one can observe at least a weak beginnings of a better conception.
[00:21:34]  This is, of course, not Germany, but the American Union.
[00:21:37]  The American Union categorically refuses the immigration of physically unhealthy elements and simply excludes the immigration of certain races.
[00:21:46]  So, wait, Hitler in the 20s took a look at what we were doing in the U.S. and was like, I like the looks of that.
[00:21:55]  Let me copy-paste and do that.
[00:22:00]  Yeah.
[00:22:01]  That's exactly what happened.
[00:22:02]  That's exactly what happened.
[00:22:03]  Oh, dear.
[00:22:04]  That's exactly.
[00:22:04]  And he wrote extensively about how inspired he was by U.S. immigration law, which was like the most racist in the world at the time.
[00:22:11]  Holy shit.
[00:22:12]  You want to know something else cool, Caitlin?
[00:22:14]  This is a neat story.
[00:22:15]  You're going to love this.
[00:22:16]  Please tell me the story.
[00:22:18]  You know, El Paso, great town, solid tacos.
[00:22:21]  A lot of immigration into El Paso, right?
[00:22:23]  Always has been because it's the pass, right?
[00:22:26]  You know, that's just where it's located.
[00:22:28]  Back in like the 20s and 30s, when immigrants would come in, racist white people were so worried about how dirty they thought Mexicans were that they would mandate delousing baths for everybody who entered the country and they would just douse them in pesticide.
[00:22:44]  And the pesticide that they chose was Zyklon B. Wait, what is that?
[00:22:49]  That's what they killed all the Jews with in the concentration gifts.
[00:22:53]  Yeah.
[00:22:54]  Yeah.
[00:22:54]  That's another thing the Nazis were like, oh, this seems like something we could modify a little bit to make better for us.
[00:23:00]  Isn't that cool?
[00:23:01]  That's good stuff.
[00:23:02]  It's not.
[00:23:03]  Holy shit.
[00:23:04]  It was super flammable and sometimes people burnt horribly to death.
[00:23:08]  Good stuff on the border.
[00:23:11]  Kind of always a nightmare.
[00:23:13]  Kind of, if you study the history of the border, maybe the only reasonable conclusion is that borders are fundamentally toxic.
[00:23:21]  And completely made up.
[00:23:23]  They're just of like horrible, usually racist ideology.
[00:23:32]  They're just lines, racist lines we draw on a map that murder tons of people.
[00:23:36]  It's awesome.
[00:23:37]  It's really good.
[00:23:38]  So, yeah, the Border Patrol comes out of, is formed from a law that the Nazis look at and go, that's a good law, says we, the Nazis.
[00:23:48]  Sweet stuff, Caitlin.
[00:23:51]  So, because the Immigration Act was passed alongside a surge of racist nativist fear about those dastardly non-white immigrants, it mandated that the new Border Patrol be established quickly.
[00:24:00]  The first version of the force was basically built overnight from May 28th to July 1st, so rapidly that there was no time for the patrol to actually create any kind of qualification exam for its new recruits.
[00:24:11]  The first wave of men to wear the service's green uniform were instead required to pass the railway mail clerk civil service exam, which I'm sure is basically the same thing.
[00:24:22]  Yeah.
[00:24:22]  So, as a result, and this is something we'll talk about in part two, this winds up being a long trend in the Border Patrol: is every decision they make, they have to like immediately adopt it, and they never have time to train anybody to do the job that they're going to do.
[00:24:36]  And everyone's just fine with this, and it persists for 96 years.
[00:24:40]  So, the whole thing, every like decisions are made all willy-nilly, people are brought in with no training, no training implemented, nobody knows what they're doing.
[00:24:51]  No thought given to it, they're just like, here's what we decided, and we're not going to take a second to examine this at all.
[00:24:59]  We're just going to do it.
[00:25:01]  Yeah, I mean, the current DHS secretary, Chad Wolf, has no law enforcement experience, was never in the military, and I think went to college on like a tennis scholarship.
[00:25:12]  So, it's great.
[00:25:14]  It's cool how things are always exactly the same forever.
[00:25:20]  Because, yeah, again, if people ever learn a single lesson from history, the world will explode.
[00:25:26]  So, we have to not do that.
[00:25:29]  Anyway, but there's also a conundrum there, too, right?
[00:25:33]  Because so much of history that gets taught, at least in schools, is so horribly whitewashed and revisionist that, like, how can anyone learn anything from it?
[00:25:45]  Yeah.
[00:25:46]  Yeah.
[00:25:47]  You know, that's a good point, Caitlin.
[00:25:51]  And that's why, as I see, all these kids in the street who just aren't going to school anymore and are instead spending their nights dropkicking the doors of a federal courthouse to try to taunt the agents inside to attack them.
[00:26:04]  I think probably fine.
[00:26:09]  Probably learning about as much, right?
[00:26:12]  True.
[00:26:13]  So, yeah, the very first Border Patrol men were mostly male clerks.
[00:26:18]  And obviously, male clerks maybe aren't super meant to be tromping around the desert hunting people.
[00:26:24]  And about a quarter of everyone in the Border Patrol quit in their first month of the job.
[00:26:29]  Turnover remained incredibly high for basically the whole history of the organization, particularly its early years.
[00:26:35]  And this made it kind of impossible for it to develop any kind of functional internal culture at the start.
[00:26:40]  By 1927, the Border Patrol had been forced to hire inspectors who could not even pass civil service exams.
[00:26:46]  The agency tried desperately to recruit military veterans and men with law enforcement experience, but the vast majority of their new hires were just unemployed men who lived in border towns.
[00:26:56]  These were white working-class folks who'd had trouble keeping a job and were kind of desperate for a leg up and the regular income that a law enforcement career would allow, as well as kind of the respect and pride or respect that you would get as a member of law enforcement, right?
[00:27:11]  Like they wanted some power.
[00:27:12]  These were like poor working class whites.

=== Trump's Immigration Policy Shifts (04:54) ===

[00:27:17]  Don't give anybody power.
[00:27:19]  It never goes well.
[00:27:21]  No, especially not poor white men in the country.
[00:27:27]  Yeah.
[00:27:28]  So immigration from Mexico into the United States had not traditionally been like a major subject of national political debate.
[00:27:35]  People in Texas, you know, there were folks who cared about it, but like really on a national level, if you'd like run based on your plan to build a wall around Mexico, 99% of Americans have been like, What the fuck is your problem?
[00:27:47]  Like, why do you give a shit about that?
[00:27:49]  Right?
[00:27:50]  Everyone is dying of diphtheria, and the economy is permanently crashed.
[00:27:54]  Please, please stop.
[00:27:57]  Which I guess now we're back at, so maybe that'll help.
[00:28:01]  I mean, wow, the paradigm.
[00:28:03]  I don't hear as many people giving a shit about the border these days.
[00:28:05]  I'll say that much.
[00:28:07]  That's true.
[00:28:08]  Maybe it's because nobody wants to come here anymore.
[00:28:10]  We did it, Caitlin.
[00:28:11]  We finally stopped it.
[00:28:13]  Just turn the U.S. into a disease-ridden hellhole.
[00:28:20]  All it took was a runaway plague that we completely give up any hope of ever dealing with.
[00:28:27]  You know what?
[00:28:28]  President Trump figured it out.
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=== Enforcing Fear in the 1930s (16:04) ===

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[00:33:00]  Oh my gosh.
[00:33:01]  I, for one, love that Trump for America bought up all of our advertising space.
[00:33:10]  When I think of president, I think of the president.
[00:33:14]  Anyway, so immigration from Mexico had not traditionally been a big, big political debate issue, right?
[00:33:20]  The wealthy agribusiness owners in Texas preferred simple immigration from Mexico, and they fought to ensure that Mexicans were not subject to the same harsh immigration restrictions as other immigrants in the 1924 bill.
[00:33:32]  One business owner put it simply, without the Mexicans, we would be done.
[00:33:38]  Which hasn't really changed, you know?
[00:33:40]  And it's like, we'll talk about this a little bit later on, but it is this kind of one of the things that you, I didn't even realize was like really problematic when I was a young person, kind of dealing with the mix between outwardly hateful racists in the Southwest and nice people who don't realize they're racist is like the nice people, the outwardly hateful people are like, you know, the Trump type folks that you know who want to build a wall and kick all the rapist Mexicans out.
[00:34:09]  Sure, they're easy to spot.
[00:34:11]  Yeah.
[00:34:11]  Yeah.
[00:34:12]  And then you have this chunk of people who are like, well, I hate what Trump's doing.
[00:34:16]  And like, I'm happy to have Mexicans here because, you know, they do great work and, you know, they're great at this and they're good at that.
[00:34:24]  And they're good at.
[00:34:25]  And it's this thing where like, especially like, you know, you don't necessarily notice, especially as like a young white person, let's say 18, 19, like what, what, what's actually being said there, which is like the commodification of non-white bodies, which is like not cool.
[00:34:43]  But we're going to talk more about that later because this is where that all starts in an organized way, which is awesome.
[00:34:50]  So the white working class in Texas.
[00:34:53]  So obviously like these kind of, these kind of landowners, the kind of aristocracy in Texas in this period, right?
[00:34:58]  Like the ranchers and stuff, they were broadly like they wanted more Mexicans and they could never get enough because like they needed people to actually work their farms.
[00:35:08]  But the white working class in Texas and the white working class even in rural areas really had nursed like a growing hatred of Mexican people and had been for years.
[00:35:16]  And this was based on a mix of like fear that Mexican immigrants would take their jobs.
[00:35:20]  That was always like a core part of it.
[00:35:23]  And also based on kind of like good old-fashioned racism.
[00:35:26]  One labor union official in Texas at the time noted, quote, I hope they never let another Mexican come to the United States.
[00:35:32]  The country would be a whole lot better off for the white laboring man if there weren't so many N-wards and Mexicans.
[00:35:38]  Oh my gosh.
[00:35:39]  Yeah.
[00:35:40]  Well, and this is one of those things, if you're like kind of squaring yourself with the history of labor, you know, I'm a big fan of labor history and I think there's a lot of wonderful stuff there.
[00:35:48]  You do have to square with the fact that like a lot of those dudes who were right about a lot of important things were incredibly racist and hated non-white people because they saw them as a threat to white working class people.
[00:36:00]  I mean, which that all stems from capitalism, more or less.
[00:36:05]  Yes, absolutely.
[00:36:06]  If there was any fairness or parody when it came to income and labor, people wouldn't have to be worried about other people.
[00:36:19]  There wouldn't be this fear of like, who is my job in danger?
[00:36:22]  Who's going to take my job?
[00:36:25]  Because a more just socialized economy would eliminate that fear.
[00:36:35]  Absolutely.
[00:36:36]  Yep.
[00:36:37]  So the actual laws on the books in this period of time had been written largely by the rich landed gentry who needed Mexican immigrants.
[00:36:44]  But now that the Border Patrol existed post-1924, the men enforcing those laws were working class whites who really just hated Mexicans and they honestly didn't give a shit about the needs of farmers.
[00:36:55]  And in fact, a lot of them saw kind of being able to police undocumented migrants as a way of kind of equalizing their level of social power with farmers.
[00:37:06]  Because like, you know, they were poorer than these guys.
[00:37:09]  They didn't have property.
[00:37:11]  But now they had the ability to arrest these dudes' workers.
[00:37:15]  And like that gave them a level of power in their culture and a level of power of these people who had kind of previously been the bosses.
[00:37:23]  And, you know, kind of for a lot of these guys who became the first Border Patrol workers, these were obviously these were white men, but they were men whose kind of sense of whiteness had been hanging on by a thread prior to this opportunity coming around.
[00:37:35]  And I'm going to quote again from the book Migra: quote: Early officers may have lived in white neighborhoods, worshipped at white churches, and sent their children to white schools.
[00:37:43]  But as salesmen, chauffeurs, machinists, and cow punchers, they had labored at the edges of whiteness in the borderlands.
[00:37:49]  The steady pay and everyday social authority of U.S. immigration law enforcement work dangled before them the possibility of lifting themselves from a marginalized existence as what Neil Foley has examined as the white scourge of borderland communities.
[00:38:01]  Policing Mexicans, in other words, presented officers with the opportunity to enter the region's primary economy and, in the process, shore up their tentative claims upon whiteness.
[00:38:11]  As immigration control was emerging as a critical site of simultaneously expanding the boundaries of whiteness while hardening the distinctions between whites and non-whites, the project of enforcing immigration restrictions, therefore, placed Border Patrol officers at what police scholar David Bailey describes as the cutting edge of the state's knife in terms of enforcing new boundaries between whites and non-whites.
[00:38:33]  So that is the Border Patrol in this period, the cutting edge of the state's knife, you know, cleaving the boundaries between white and non-white people.
[00:38:41]  It's a way to look at it.
[00:38:43]  Very picturesque.
[00:38:45]  Yeah.
[00:38:46]  Oof.
[00:38:47]  Now, this is made a lot more complicated by the fact that a chunk of the early Border Patrol were Mexican-American.
[00:38:54]  And these guys, in a lot of cases, saw their ability, their career in law enforcement as a way of separating themselves from non-white people.
[00:39:01]  The League of United Latin American Citizens, or LULAC, specifically stated that Mexican-American association with colored races is what held them back from full acceptance by white society in this period of time.
[00:39:14]  And the book Migra includes the story of one early officer, Patrol Inspector Pete Torres, who was marked by a colleague for being Mexican.
[00:39:21]  In response, he shot at the man's feet and yelled, I am not a Mexican.
[00:39:25]  I am a Spanish-American.
[00:39:29]  Yeah, so this is like internalized.
[00:39:34]  Yeah, it's a complicated history here.
[00:39:38]  And I'm not going to, I'm not going to go into tremendous depth about this aspect of the history because I'm just, I'm not at all the right person to do so.
[00:39:47]  The right person to do so, in fact, is probably Kelly Little Hernandez, author of the book Migra, A History of the U.S. Border Patrol.
[00:39:56]  She does talk about this in more depth, and I really recommend her book.
[00:40:00]  But you should know that's like an aspect of what's going on here.
[00:40:03]  And as a rule, one of the things that starts to happen, in particular around like the 40s, is kind of a growing Spanish or Mexican-American community who are very pro-immigration enforcement and pro-like harsher immigration laws and laws against illegal immigration.
[00:40:20]  They start to like solidify as a voting block in the Southwest in this period, too.
[00:40:25]  And they still are to this day.
[00:40:27]  A lot of people are like shocked when they see Hispanics for Trump and stuff.
[00:40:30]  And there's actually pretty deep roots for a lot of that stuff.
[00:40:34]  Yeah.
[00:40:35]  So most early border patrolmen, though, were white dudes, and it would probably be fair to call them white supremacists.
[00:40:41]  And as the years went by, our government gave them increasing powers to exercise racism with state authority behind it.
[00:40:47]  From a write-up in the intercept, quote, while the 1924 immigration law spared Mexico a quota, a series of secondary laws, including one that made it a crime to enter the country outside of official ports of entry, gave border and customs agents on the spot discretion to decide who could enter the country legally.
[00:41:02]  They had the power to turn what had been a routine daily or seasonal event, crossing the border to go to work, into a ritual of abuse.
[00:41:09]  Hygienic inspections became more widespread and even more degrading.
[00:41:12]  Migrants had their heads shaved and they were subjected to an increasingly arbitrary set of requirements at the discretion of patrollers, including literacy tests and entrance fees.
[00:41:20]  The patrol wasn't a large agency at first, just a few hundred men during its early years, and its reach along a 2,000-mile line was limited.
[00:41:28]  But over the years, its reported brutality grew as the number of agents it deployed increased.
[00:41:32]  Border agents beat, shot, and hung migrants with regularity.
[00:41:36]  Two patrollers, former Texas Rangers, tied the feet of one migrant and dragged him in and out of a river until he confessed to having entered the country illegally.
[00:41:43]  Other patrollers were members of the resurgent Ku Klux Klan, active in border towns from Texas to California.
[00:41:49]  Practically every other member of El Paso's National Guard was in the Klan, one military officer recalled, and many had joined the Border Patrol upon its establishment.
[00:41:58]  So, not great.
[00:42:00]  Ideally, you know, if you ask me, we keep coming back to the KKK and how it repeatedly infiltrated law enforcement.
[00:42:10]  Someone maybe ought to do something about that.
[00:42:14]  So, for its first 10 years of existence, the Border Patrol operated under the authority of the Department of Labor.
[00:42:20]  And when FDR was elected, he appointed Frances Perkins to be Secretary of Labor, and she tried to curtail the violence of the Border Patrol and reform it.
[00:42:28]  And this didn't really work out in the long run.
[00:42:30]  She attempted to cut down on warrantless arrests.
[00:42:33]  She mandated that detained migrants had a right to receive phone calls.
[00:42:35]  She fought to provide migrants with at least some version of the civil rights they lacked as non-citizens.
[00:42:40]  But before long, FDR was pressured by the agricultural industry to put the Border Patrol under the control of the Department of Justice.
[00:42:47]  Now, this might seem surprising at first because these rich farmers were the same folks who'd fought to ensure Mexican immigrants wouldn't be subject to quotas in the 1924 immigration law.
[00:42:56]  But there's a reason behind it because these folks had wanted these ranchers and stuff had wanted Mexicans here to work their farms, but they hadn't wanted these people to actually stay in the United States.
[00:43:08]  Lobbyist S. Parker Frizel had told Congress in 1926, the Mexican is a homer, like the pigeon.
[00:43:15]  He goes home to roost.
[00:43:16]  And Frizzell's promise had been that Mexicans weren't really immigrants, and thus they should be exempt from the USA's white supremacist immigration laws.
[00:43:23]  They were birds of passage, he argued, just hanging around for a little while to work.
[00:43:28]  But by the turn of the decade, as we hit like start going into the 1930s, Mexicans had started to settle all across the Southwest, buying homes and starting communities in places like Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California.
[00:43:40]  In 1900, only about 100,000 Mexican immigrants had lived in the United States.
[00:43:45]  By 1930, there were 1.5 million Mexican immigrants in this country.
[00:43:51]  So this starts to freak out a lot of white agriculturalists, right?
[00:43:55]  And it kind of, you know, they had been okay with these people coming into work, but at the end of the day, they were the same kind of white supremacists as the Border Patrol men.
[00:44:07]  They were just a little bit more refined.
[00:44:09]  And once it started to look like these Mexicans were coming in and actually going to be contributing and changing the demographics of the nation, they panicked.
[00:44:18]  And the only thing they could really think of to do was give the Border Patrol more power to enforce how many Mexicans could enter the country.
[00:44:27]  And there was a real big debate over this, right?
[00:44:32]  Because you still needed a certain, as these farmers, you still needed a certain minimum amount of migrants coming in every year in order to actually keep your farms working.
[00:44:43]  And the guy who kind of figured out a solution to this problem was Senator Coleman Livingston Blease.
[00:44:48]  He was a white supremacist congressman who first took office in 1925.
[00:44:52]  And his solution was rather than creating a system of quotas and caps that would have reduced manpower in American fields, he just wanted to criminalize unmonitored border crossing.
[00:45:02]  So this is the very first time that it becomes illegal to cross the U.S.-Mexican border without doing it at a border station.
[00:45:10]  That's 1929, that law is passed.
[00:45:13]  And I'm going to quote from an article in the conversation explaining what happened here.
[00:45:18]  According to Blease's bill, unlawfully entering the country would be a misdemeanor, while unlawfully returning to the United States after deportation would be a felony.
[00:45:26]  The idea was to force Mexican immigrants into an authorized and monitored stream that could be turned on and off at will at ports of entry.
[00:45:32]  Any immigrant who entered the United States outside of bounds of the stream would be a criminal, subject to fines, imprisonment, and ultimately deportation.
[00:45:39]  But it was a crime designed to impact Mexican immigrants in particular.
[00:45:42]  Neither the Western agricultural businessmen nor the restrictionists registered any objections.
[00:45:47]  Congress passed Blease's bill, the Immigration Act of March 4th, 1929, and dramatically altered the story of crime and punishment in the United States.
[00:45:54]  With stunning precision, the criminalization of unauthorized entry caged thousands of Mexicans, Mexico's birds of passage.
[00:46:01]  By the end of 1930, the U.S. Attorney General reported prosecuting 7,000 cases of unlawful entry.
[00:46:07]  By the end of the decade, U.S. attorneys had prosecuted more than 44,000 cases.
[00:46:12]  Now, Blease's law applied technically to like Canadians as well, but basically everyone prosecuted under it was Mexican.
[00:46:19]  And it was mainly used as kind of a method of mostly nonviolent ethnic cleansing.
[00:46:26]  Like, I don't even know if I'd say mostly nonviolent.
[00:46:29]  It was used for ethnic cleansing.
[00:46:30]  Throughout the 1930s, Mexicans made up at least 85% of all immigration prisoners.
[00:46:36]  Sometimes, some years, they made up 99%.
[00:46:39]  Three new prisons were built on the border to hold them all.
[00:46:42]  And over the course of the decade, somewhere around 1 million Mexicans were deported from the United States.
[00:46:48]  And most of these people were U.S. citizens.
[00:46:51]  Historian Francisco Balderama argues that 60% of the million people who were deported were U.S. citizens of Mexican descent.
[00:46:58]  And Border Patrol forces would call what was happening here repatriation to make it seem voluntary.
[00:47:04]  But what was really happening in the 30s was Border Patrol was just rounding up all of the Mexicans they could get and throwing them across the border and kind of accusing people of unlawful crossing of the border, basically, as a justification for kicking them out.
[00:47:20]  So that's cool.
[00:47:22]  I just the resources that get used and spent to like enforce these laws and build prisons and maintain the prison and just like all of that costs so much time and is so much effort.
[00:47:44]  Why?
[00:47:44]  Like it would be so much easier if we would just let immigrants come and then just let them live and be a part of the community.
[00:47:55]  I mean, I know why.
[00:47:57]  Yeah, racism.
[00:47:59]  Yeah.
[00:48:00]  Yeah.
[00:48:01]  It's absurd.
[00:48:02]  Yeah, the Border Patrol's pretty lame, Caitlin.
[00:48:05]  You know, this is like, but like this, this is what it is from the beginning.
[00:48:08]  Like one of the first things the Border Patrol ever does is deport a million people, more than half of whom are U.S. citizens.

=== Violence as Primary Enforcement Method (02:02) ===

[00:48:16]  And it just lies about what it's doing because from the beginning, its job has never been to actually enforce the rule of law or even protect the border.
[00:48:25]  Its job is to protect whiteness.
[00:48:27]  Right.
[00:48:27]  Yep.
[00:48:29]  So the very, the primary method of action for Border Patrol agents from the beginning up to now was violence.
[00:48:35]  The force was always undermanned and underfunded with a handful of officers responsible for thousands of miles of rugged terrain.
[00:48:42]  There was little to no oversight and agents generally used violence at their discretion, as this anecdote from the book Migra illustrates.
[00:48:49]  Quote, one day in 1928, explains Stovall, who was a Border Patrol agent, he was patrolling alone near San Elizario, Texas, when he decided to drive through town.
[00:48:58]  San Elizario was this little Mexican town on the Rio Grande, said Stovall, who remembered that when he got to town that day, he saw a Mexicano come out from behind the bank of a drainage ditch and then duck back.
[00:49:08]  Stovall admitted to knowing the man, but stopped the car and asked him, what do you have there in your bosom?
[00:49:12]  The man reached into his shirt pocket and pulled out two bottles of beer and put them down on the bridge and broke them so he wouldn't have any evidence.
[00:49:19]  Reflecting upon the incident, Stovall wondered, why didn't I pull out my gun and fire at that Mexican?
[00:49:25]  I don't know.
[00:49:26]  I don't know why.
[00:49:27]  Instead of reaching for his gun and firing, Stovall fled.
[00:49:30]  I got in my car and got away from there, remembered Stovall, because it was in daylight about one o'clock.
[00:49:35]  If I had pulled my gun and fired, there would have been 50 Mexicans around me that quick.
[00:49:39]  According to Stovall, God spared his life that day by taking charge of his hands and preventing him from shooting at the Mexicano.
[00:49:47]  So this is 1928 and kind of a common attitude.
[00:49:52]  Like this Border Patrol agent approaches a guy who's got illegal alcohol and the dude breaks the bottles on him.
[00:49:58]  And the man's lingering question that he's wondering for years afterwards is, why didn't I shoot that man to death?
[00:50:04]  Like, yeah.
[00:50:06]  What some people think justifies killing another person is something I will never comprehend.
[00:50:15]  Yeah, I don't think they thought they were people.

=== The Attorney General's Role (04:28) ===

[00:50:19]  True.
[00:50:19]  Yeah, and it's probably worth noting how common brutality was, like, like open brutality was among U.S. law enforcement officials, even at like pretty high levels in politics at this time.
[00:50:31]  In May of 1954, Herbert Brownell, the attorney general, Eisenhower's Attorney General, gave a speech where he asked U.S. labor leaders for their support in the event that Border Patrol agents, quote, shot wetbacks in cold blood.
[00:50:45]  So again, not saying like, hey, we might have an accidental shooting and I need your support because like what we're doing is hard and people are going to mess up.
[00:50:52]  He's like, you know, my guys might murder some Mexicans.
[00:50:56]  You know, my guys are absolutely going to commit murder in cold blood and I need you to like have my back.
[00:51:01]  Right.
[00:51:02]  That's the Attorney General of the United States.
[00:51:05]  1954.
[00:51:07]  Cool stuff.
[00:51:09]  You know what else is cool stuff?
[00:51:13]  I don't, Sophie.
[00:51:14]  I can't imagine what you're going for here.
[00:51:17]  What is cool stuff?
[00:51:18]  That's fine.
[00:51:19]  That's fine.
[00:51:20]  I'll just leave.
[00:51:22]  You know who isn't the Attorney General of the United States?
[00:51:26]  Hopefully.
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=== Hunting Migrants and Deportations (07:18) ===

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[00:55:37]  So racism's not good.
[00:55:40]  You know who else isn't good?
[00:55:42]  The head of the Border Patrol in the 1950s.
[00:55:45]  Another good pivot.
[00:55:46]  Nice.
[00:55:46]  Yeah, a great pivot.
[00:55:48]  So the guy in charge of the Border Patrol, as we turn into the 1950s, is an outright monster by the name of Harlan Carter.
[00:55:54]  Now, Carter was, by the time he became the head of the Border Patrol, a convicted murderer.
[00:56:02]  Yeah, in 1931, as a teenager, he'd shot a Mexican boy in the chest at point-blank range with a 12-gauge shotgun.
[00:56:10]  And the two had been having an argument, and the Mexican boy had a knife, but he was not actively threatening Carter.
[00:56:15]  And in fact, he'd laughed at the boy's gun because he just kind of seemed to think it was silly that they were having a fight at all.
[00:56:21]  And Carter shot him to death because he was angry for being laughed at.
[00:56:24]  He was convicted of murder and sentenced to three years in prison, but he was let out after two owing to a technicality.
[00:56:30]  So back in 1931, by the way, you could shoot a man in the chest with a 12-gauge and get three years.
[00:56:36]  So that's neat.
[00:56:40]  I love laws.
[00:56:41]  Yeah.
[00:56:43]  So our justice system is cool.
[00:56:46]  Yeah, he got rehabilitated.
[00:56:48]  He went on to become the head of the Border Patrol and also was the head of the NRA.
[00:56:52]  Uh-oh.
[00:56:53]  Harlan Carter is an interesting piece of shit.
[00:56:56]  So throughout the 40s, apprehensions by the Border Patrol were kind of ad hoc and disorganized, and they were mostly the result of individual agents seeking out undocumented immigrants by catching them in transit.
[00:57:07]  This meant that large numbers of people were almost never apprehended at a time.
[00:57:11]  It was more just like agents kind of going out and hunting people down and grabbing a couple of folks.
[00:57:16]  This was an easy system for dumb, violent men to like figure out.
[00:57:19]  You know, you just kind of, it's like hunting, basically.
[00:57:22]  And it appealed to the kind of folks who became Border Patrol agents.
[00:57:25]  But starting in 1950, a young agent named Albert Quillen began to change things.
[00:57:30]  He was intelligent and ambitious.
[00:57:32]  And when the chief supervisor of Border Patrol demanded that he and his colleagues increase apprehensions, Quillen began experimenting with bold new strategies.
[00:57:39]  At 5 a.m. on February 11th, Quillen took a detail of 12 patrolmen with two buses, one plane, one truck, and nine automobiles.
[00:57:47]  The men drove out to a small station in Rio Hondo, Texas, and then split into two groups to clean as well as possible a certain section of illegal aliens.
[00:57:56]  The plane acted as a spotter while the buses were used to, quote, haul wets to the border.
[00:58:01]  100 people were apprehended in short order, and they were deported the next day.
[00:58:06]  Quillen soon moved on with his force to a series of farms near Los Fresnos, Texas.
[00:58:10]  They found 561 wets, which is, again, always the term they use for that.
[00:58:15]  Do you understand where that term comes from?
[00:58:17]  I don't know that I actually know the source of it.
[00:58:19]  No.
[00:58:20]  Yeah, so basically, the idea is that there were kind of two options for Mexicans at this time.
[00:58:26]  There was the Bracero program, which was a program by which they could kind of enter the country quasi-legally and get like legal working rights to be like a laborer or something like that.
[00:58:36]  And then there was you could just cross the border, right?
[00:58:38]  Illegally.
[00:58:40]  And that usually meant crossing the Rio Grande, which is a river, right?
[00:58:43]  So you wind up wet on the other side of the river.
[00:58:46]  So they call them wetbacks.
[00:58:48]  Like that, that's that's still to this day a racist slang term for particularly Mexicans, because kind of all people of Hispanic descent in a lot of Texas.
[00:58:56]  Like you hear it a lot from racists there.
[00:58:58]  And the Border Patrol, it is their standard term for these people.
[00:59:01]  This is like on all of their professional documents and everything.
[00:59:04]  This is what they call migrants.
[00:59:06]  Yeah.
[00:59:08]  Quillen's forces catch 561 wets on their second day, and on their third day they catch 264.
[00:59:15]  On the fourth day, they catch 134.
[00:59:18]  In less than a week, they captured and deported more than a thousand undocumented laborers.
[00:59:22]  And this was like unprecedented.
[00:59:24]  The Border Patrol had never caught this many people this quickly.
[00:59:27]  It was seen as an astonishing achievement by Quillen's superiors, and they began setting up other raids in imitation of his.
[00:59:33]  Border Patrol supervisors noted that these new task forces, as they started being called, were quote, pounding away on these wets.
[00:59:40]  Cool dudes.
[00:59:41]  Soon, multiple task forces had been established throughout California and Texas, carrying out constant raids and netting huge numbers of undocumented persons.
[00:59:49]  On some single days, more than 5,000 Mexican nationals would be apprehended and shipped to temporary detention camps before being sent back across the border.
[00:59:57]  Patrolmen handed deportees notes that read, You have entered the United States illegally and in violation of the laws of your land and those of the United States.
[01:00:05]  For this reason, you are being returned to your homeland.
[01:00:07]  If you return again illegally, you will be arrested and punished as provided by law.
[01:00:11]  We understand that the life of a wetback is difficult.
[01:00:14]  Wetbacks are unable to work for more than a few hours before they are apprehended and deported.
[01:00:18]  Remember these words and transmit the news to your families and countrymen if you want to do them a favor.
[01:00:22]  So that's fun.
[01:00:24]  Yikes.
[01:00:25]  Nice letter there.
[01:00:27]  Terrifying language.
[01:00:29]  Also, you had said alien, that that was something that had been and still gets like that language is still used.
[01:00:38]  And it's just the most dehumanizing word to refer to simply someone who travels to another place and wants to stay there.
[01:00:54]  It's pretty crazy because we don't use that word for, I don't know, us.
[01:01:01]  I'm excited for when we have finally the big civil war that we're all planning to have and suddenly a shitload of white people we have, but continues.
[01:01:13]  Like, yeah, I'm excited for the people who treated Syrian refugees and treat Guatemalan and Honduran and Mexican refugees like shit.
[01:01:22]  And I'm excited for them all to, I don't know, get gunned down by Canadian border guards as we deserve as a nation.
[01:01:30]  I don't know.
[01:01:31]  I'm angry all the time, Caitlin.
[01:01:32]  I'm sorry.
[01:01:33]  That's not right.
[01:01:35]  Likewise, so am I.
[01:01:37]  Yeah.
[01:01:39]  Anyway, it'll be up to Canada to be racist then, and then eventually Alaska.
[01:01:43]  And then the biosphere will die.
[01:01:47]  So, you know, what won't die, Caitlin?
[01:01:52]  Raytheon.
[01:01:53]  Are you doing unnecessary transit?
[01:01:55]  Yes.
[01:01:56]  Do your podcast.
[01:01:57]  Do your podcast.
[01:01:57]  I know.
[01:01:58]  I went off on a really sad rant.
[01:02:00]  And so I decided to throw in a Raytheon ad because everybody likes thinking about Raytheon.

=== Gunfights with White Farmers (15:26) ===

[01:02:05]  So back to the Border Patrol.
[01:02:09]  So the Border Patrol would like pick up all these folks, huge numbers, thousands in a day sometimes, and they would put them in these like temporary camps and then would take them into Mexico where the Mexican military would basically dump them in the middle of the country as far away from the border as possible.
[01:02:23]  And these were generally places where there was no work and where these migrants had no family connections.
[01:02:28]  And it was just a horrible situation for most people.
[01:02:32]  As a result of these new tactics, between 1950 and 1953, the number of Border Patrol apprehensions nearly doubled from 469,000 to almost 840,000.
[01:02:43]  This caused immediate problems for ranchers and farmers who started to realize that the new legal powers they'd given the Border Patrol had vastly realigned the organization's power in a way that allowed the white supremacists who ran it to harm agribusiness by wiping out their workforce.
[01:02:58]  At stake was also a sort of cultural readjustment.
[01:03:01]  Farmers and ranchers were used to occupying a position at the top of society, but now Border Patrol men could exercise the power of deportation again and take away their workers.
[01:03:10]  In Texas border towns like Marfa, farmers hired armed guards, hired lookouts, and booby-trapped farm gates in order to protect their workforce.
[01:03:18]  There were gunfights with Border Patrol, with these like white farmers trying to defend their workforce.
[01:03:23]  And as the conflict between the farmers and Border Patrol grew uglier, white border town farmers suddenly found themselves facing off against the same men who'd hunted their workers.
[01:03:32]  The book Migra tells the story of D.C. Newton, whose family were Border Patrol farmers who posted guards to warn about raids.
[01:03:40]  They went to sleep one night in 1952 and woke up to find that dozens of Border Patrol agents had snuck in with their headlights off and to surprise everyone sleeping in the farmhouse and adjacent quarters.
[01:03:50]  The Newton's oldest son was faster though, and he succeeded in warning the undocumented migrants staying on the farm, which gave them the time they needed to run like hell and hide in the trees.
[01:03:59]  When the Border Patrol men came up empty in their search, they went after the white folks who actually owned the farm.
[01:04:06]  And I'm going to quote from the book Migra Now: They entered Newton's parents' bedroom and began shining the flashlights in my mother's eyes and my father's eyes, telling them to get up.
[01:04:14]  We're going to go out and find where your Mexicans are.
[01:04:16]  With my father in his pajamas, his mother in a nightgown, and no one wearing any shoes, the officers forced the family out of the house while pushing, physically pushing my mother in the back, pushing my father in the back, and demanding to know where the wetbacks were.
[01:04:28]  Most of the workers had fled, including Newton's nanny, Lupe, for whom the officers claimed to be searching in particular.
[01:04:34]  She had heard the arrival of the patrolmen and climbed out of the window on the second floor of the farmhouse, rolled down onto the roof of the garage, and run off to the southeast and was gone.
[01:04:42]  Although the Newtons believed they had outsmarted the Border Patrol by alerting the migrants to the raid, the head Border Patrol inspector still led 53 apprehended workers away, saying, See how you handle your groves now.
[01:04:55]  Now, that's like a bad story and everything.
[01:04:58]  But what's interesting here is, I guess, how horrible Newton's family is here, too.
[01:05:04]  Because the interview with him goes on, and he makes it clear that when he kind of, when his dad explained to him what was happening with the Border Patrol, his dad compared the conflict to the Civil War.
[01:05:15]  And the side that he identified with was not the good side.
[01:05:19]  Quote: Newton's father believed that by taking away their workers, the damn Yankee Border Patrol were splitting up a household.
[01:05:26]  As he explained it to his son, the South Texans protected their homes, their families, their property, and their way of life from the Border Patrol raids.
[01:05:33]  He was the master.
[01:05:34]  The Mexican illegals were equivalent to the black slaves, and together they formed a household, a system of labor relations, in a world of tightly bound intimacy and inequity.
[01:05:42]  The Border Patrol threatened their household by reducing the farmers' control over Mexico's unsanctioned migrant workers.
[01:05:48]  So, as the Southerners had rebelled against intrusions upon their labor relations and plantation lives, the Newton family had to defend itself against the U.S. Border Patrol.
[01:05:56]  Newton's brother took the lesson to heart.
[01:05:58]  When the Border Patrol raided on another night, he stood in the family driveway with a shotgun aimed at the officers.
[01:06:03]  Startled by the hostile 12-year-old boy, the officers left the property and returned on another day.
[01:06:08]  So, yeah, what's happening here is really complicated.
[01:06:13]  Yeah.
[01:06:14]  Right.
[01:06:14]  There's an important thing to remember here, which is that even of the like white ranch farm owners who are maybe not in favor of their workforce being sent back to their country of origin,
[01:06:33]  they are still exploiting these workers, these migrant workers, and, you know, probably not paying them well, probably not offering them, you know, good benefits.
[01:06:49]  Exactly.
[01:06:50]  No, and probably like keeping them in very primitive living situations, often like little more than a shack, often like kind of nightmarish situation.
[01:06:59]  These guys did, these migrants often did live very similarly to slaves, right?
[01:07:04]  It wasn't quite that bad, but it was bad.
[01:07:07]  And these farmers are like the Border Patrol agents want these migrants out because they're racist as fuck.
[01:07:14]  And these farmers are also racist as fuck.
[01:07:17]  They just want the migrants to stay because it's the basis of their power.
[01:07:22]  Exactly.
[01:07:22]  Right.
[01:07:23]  So, again, no one to root for here other than like these migrants, but they seem to mostly get just fucked over by everybody, and that's not fun.
[01:07:33]  Yep.
[01:07:34]  So, yeah, it's important to remember that kind of the struggle between Border Patrol and these border farmers in Texas was a struggle between two different groups of white supremacists.
[01:07:42]  And one group of white supremacists was broadly in the right because I guess it's worse to round up thousands of people in cattle, cars, and buses and throw them back across the border for no good reason.
[01:07:56]  But there's no one you should be rooting for here.
[01:07:59]  But what's really interesting, what's I find fascinating about this whole conflict, is that these racist plantation-owning white border farmers wound up like fighting the Border Patrol by kind of co-opting the language of social justice.
[01:08:13]  Starting in the 1950s, ranchers began to argue that Mexican nationals were being unfairly targeted for deportations.
[01:08:20]  They complained that the buses, planes, and trains used to take migrants away were cruel, inhuman, and outrageous practices trading in human misery.
[01:08:28]  They began to argue that hiring Mexicans was an act of kindness by American ranchers.
[01:08:33]  Mexican laborers deserved the chance to win a better life by working low-paid jobs as domestic servants and laborers.
[01:08:39]  The Border Patrol was, in fact, actually fostering communism by sending these men and women back to the interior of Mexico, where they would no doubt live on in miserable poverty and join some leftist guerrilla movement.
[01:08:50]  So because their lives being exploited, farmhands in the U.S. is so much better.
[01:08:59]  What?
[01:09:00]  Oh my gosh.
[01:09:01]  Yeah, it's pretty cool how naturally that came to these farmers.
[01:09:07]  I like it.
[01:09:08]  So the Border Patrol obviously didn't listen to the protests against them.
[01:09:12]  They continued to, in their own words, pound away in the borderlands, raising apprehensions.
[01:09:17]  The increased workload necessary necessitated more men and facilities.
[01:09:21]  And in 1953, the Border Patrol attempted to hire 240 additional officers and made plans to build two new detention centers at the lower Rio Grande Valley.
[01:09:31]  This enraged local farmers, and one, quote, threatened to arm his wetback laborers against the Border Patrol, threatening that there is liable to be a couple of dead Border Patrolmen.
[01:09:40]  Death threats against patrolmen became a daily occurrence, and farmers in the lower Rio Grande lobbied their congressmen to deny the appropriation requests necessary to fund the new men and facilities.
[01:09:49]  These farmers insisted they weren't lobbying for their own benefit, but were doing it for migrants who were victims of the patrol's cheap vindictiveness, a great hunger to rule or ruin, to control, to govern, anything to carry a point, reckless of the consequences to the poor workmen which they herd around as cattle.
[01:10:06]  And they weren't wrong in this.
[01:10:07]  The facility the Border Patrol wanted to build was essentially a concentration camp.
[01:10:11]  Eventually, Congress listened and the appropriation request was denied.
[01:10:15]  So like the protest of all these guys in Texas worked.
[01:10:17]  The Border Patrol had to send its 240 men back home and cancel construction.
[01:10:22]  According to the book Migra, quote, one month after losing the supplemental appropriation, Chief Kelly announced the Border Patrol's withdrawal from the Rio Grande Valley to a new defense line 10 miles to the north of Kingsville, Falfurias, and Hebronville.
[01:10:35]  Rather than fight a losing battle in the lower Rio Grande Valley, the Border Patrol decided to pull out of the area because with limited forces, we can best control the wetback invasion as at the line farther north.
[01:10:46]  It's one of those things, I guess, I always kind of debate when you've got like something that is essentially a slur or is a slur in an episode of like this, how often to say it.
[01:10:55]  And it's one of those things where I kind of feel like cleaning up the Border Patrol's official statements in the matter would be, I don't know, making it seem like they were less of a naked force for white supremacy than they were.
[01:11:08]  Sure.
[01:11:09]  Like if you replace that with Mexican nationals, that's not really what they're saying.
[01:11:14]  Right.
[01:11:15]  Yeah, I don't know.
[01:11:17]  Yeah, I mean, that puts you in a pretty tricky position.
[01:11:20]  Yeah, I don't know.
[01:11:23]  Yeah, they use it a lot.
[01:11:25]  The Border Patrol are cool guys, and we're about to hear it used again in another big way.
[01:11:31]  So the men of the Border Patrol did see the immigration of Mexicans into the U.S. as an invasion, and they sought to repel it with military force, as kind of that language above, right?
[01:11:40]  Referring to it as a defensive line and stuff.
[01:11:42]  Like they're defending whiteness again, and they see the encroachment of these undocumented migrants as like an assault on white blood more than anything else.
[01:11:52]  In 1953, with the rebellion of the Texas Ranchers in full swing, Harlan Carter, who's again the murderer who became the head of the Border Patrol, sat down with two U.S. generals to ask for their help.
[01:12:03]  He wanted the military and the National Guard to assist the Border Patrol in a nationwide purge of undocumented Mexican nationals called Operation Cloudburst.
[01:12:13]  The first step for this would be an anti-infiltration campaign to seal the border with the help of 2,180 troops.
[01:12:20]  Border Patrol would station soldiers at strategic locations and build several long fences to block areas of heavy traffic.
[01:12:26]  This part of the operation is fairly standard, aside from the presence of U.S. troops.
[01:12:30]  Part two, though, would be a containment operation, which would involve roadblocks on every major highway from the southwest to the interior of North America.
[01:12:38]  These checkpoints would be used to search vehicles for illegal migrants around the clock.
[01:12:42]  Part three was the mopping up phase, and this would involve a massive series of raids in northern locations, places far from the border like San Francisco, where groups of migrants were believed to have gathered.
[01:12:53]  Businesses and camps would be raided, and the arrested migrants would be airlifted or sent by train to the interior of Mexico.
[01:12:59]  Now, again, using the military, this was essentially he wanted to bring in the army to carry out a military action to purge the United States of Hispanic people.
[01:13:10]  That's what the head of Border Patrol is trying to do here.
[01:13:13]  And all of the military guys he talked to are like, this sounds like a great idea.
[01:13:16]  We'd love to help.
[01:13:18]  But it's illegal, right?
[01:13:19]  Posse comitadas means you can't use the army for shit like this.
[01:13:23]  The only way around it is a presidential proclamation.
[01:13:26]  And Dwight Eisenhower was actually initially all on board with issuing that proclamation.
[01:13:32]  But in the end, he kind of backed away.
[01:13:34]  And instead, he appointed a general, Joseph Swing, to be the new commissioner of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and was basically like, we can't use soldiers for this because it's unconstitutional, but I'm going to promote a general to be in charge of the INS and you figure out a way to do the same thing with the resources Border Patrol has.
[01:13:54]  Like, use your, yeah, yeah, I still want a military operation to clear out these Hispanic people.
[01:14:00]  I just can't use soldiers.
[01:14:02]  So that's cool.
[01:14:03]  Go grief.
[01:14:05]  Yeah.
[01:14:06]  The mental gymnastics that these people do to justify their horrible actions.
[01:14:14]  Anyway, sorry, go ahead.
[01:14:16]  Yeah, it's pretty great.
[01:14:18]  I don't know.
[01:14:19]  So one month after joining INS, General Swing announces that he's going to be leading the Border Patrol in a new paramilitary campaign based on the tactics pioneered by Albert Quillen.
[01:14:29]  The new operation is given the name Operation Wetback.
[01:14:33]  Again, that's the Border Patrol's official name for it.
[01:14:37]  That's what all these guys call it.
[01:14:38]  That's what it's written up in the documents and stuff.
[01:14:41]  She's Louise.
[01:14:42]  Yeah, they just didn't have a fuck to give on this matter.
[01:14:46]  So true to form, Border Patrol was only given four weeks to prepare for what would become the largest operation in their history.
[01:14:52]  The plan was to engage in an unprecedented sweep, deporting hundreds of thousands of people.
[01:14:56]  No one received any training or specialized equipment to actually do this, though.
[01:15:01]  All that most agents had on June 9th, 1954, when the operation began, was a letter from General Swing ordering them to purge the nation by removing the huge number of Mexican nationals who were in this country in violation of the immigration laws.
[01:15:16]  Always good to hear about a purge.
[01:15:19]  Yikes.
[01:15:20]  Yeah.
[01:15:20]  So in its first day, California and the first day of this operation, California and Arizona agents apprehended nearly 11,000 migrants.
[01:15:28]  The flood of people only accelerated after that, and the sheer number of deportees overwhelmed the Border Patrol's capacity to hold or carry them.
[01:15:35]  People were left in primitive, exposed concentration camps for days.
[01:15:39]  The Border Patrol turned Elysian Park in Los Angeles into an open-air concentration camp.
[01:15:45]  Yeah, that's neat.
[01:15:47]  Go to Elysian Park.
[01:15:50]  I've been there before and I'll never go again.
[01:15:54]  A lot of the men who were interned there, men and women, got sick and sometimes died of sunstroke because there was no care given to their health.
[01:16:01]  And it can get very hot down there.
[01:16:05]  25% of all deportees were transported by boats, many of which were so cramped and filthy that their occupants later compared them to slave ships or penal hell ships.
[01:16:16]  So that's great.
[01:16:17]  The Mexican government's capacity to take and transport all these people broke down almost immediately.
[01:16:22]  And they were like, we need you to not send these people to us so quickly because we can't handle them.
[01:16:27]  And the U.S. government said, we don't give a fuck and kept just shotgunning people on over there.
[01:16:34]  And the sheer scale of deportations began to fuck with American industry.
[01:16:38]  But Border Patrol didn't really give a shit about this either.
[01:16:40]  I'm going to quote again from the book Migra.
[01:16:43]  Between June 17th and July 26th, 1954, 2,827 of the 4,403 migrants apprehended by the task force assigned to the Los Angeles area had worked in industry.
[01:16:54]  After Border Patrol raids during the summer of 1954, three Los Angeles brickyards were left without sufficient numbers of workers and temporarily closed down their operations.
[01:17:02]  Similarly, Border Patrol officers paid close attention to the hotel and restaurant business, which routinely hired undocumented Mexican immigrants as busboys, kitchen help, waiters, etc.
[01:17:12]  Officers reported apprehending such workers at well-known establishments, such as the Biltmore Hotel, Beverly Hills Hotel, Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel, Los Angeles Athletic Club, and the Brown Derby.
[01:17:22]  At times, the Border Patrol raids created moments of chaos at popular restaurants when migrants attempted to escape by running through the serving area.
[01:17:28]  The raids were public and regularly drew significant attention from the press.

=== Targeting Hotel Workers (04:24) ===

[01:17:32]  And this was part of the point.
[01:17:33]  The reason the Border Patrol focused so much on Los Angeles on like raids in big Hollywood locations is because they were trying to make a point to these like these ranchers who were still fighting them in South Texas.
[01:17:44]  And the message was, if we're willing to do this shit in a fucking Hollywood, you'd better believe that one day we're going to come to your ranch and fuck you up, right?
[01:17:52]  Like if we'll do this to the Biltmore, we'll ruin you.
[01:17:54]  Like we don't give a shit.
[01:17:56]  We're the Border Patrol.
[01:17:58]  And in the end, Operation Wetback was responsible for the deportations of somewhere between a quarter of a million at the low end and about 1.5 million people at the high end.
[01:18:08]  And at the end of the day, yeah, it kind of ended in retreat by the Border Patrol.
[01:18:14]  Part of this was that around the same time, the U.S. government reformed the Bracero program, which allowed Mexican nationals to get legal working status in the U.S.
[01:18:22]  And that became much more popular after this time.
[01:18:25]  So a lot of these ranchers and farmers started making sure that their workers kind of went through a legal path to gain working status in the United States.
[01:18:33]  And some of it was just that like there was blowback to this program.
[01:18:37]  It wasn't very popular, all of the massive public raids.
[01:18:41]  And kind of as a result, Border Patrol apprehensions plummeted the next year in 1955.
[01:18:46]  The task forces that had once captured thousands of migrants in a day were disbanded and demobilized.
[01:18:51]  And for a little while, it seemed as if the Border Patrol had gone into hibernation.
[01:18:56]  Of course, that, Caitlin, was not the case.
[01:18:59]  And in part two, we're going to talk about the fact that we haven't even talked about any of the worst shit that the Border Patrol gets up to in this episode because that's how much worse it gets.
[01:19:09]  Oh, yay.
[01:19:11]  Can't wait to hear about it.
[01:19:13]  So how are you feeling?
[01:19:16]  I feel pretty terrible.
[01:19:18]  That's good.
[01:19:18]  I love it when people feel terrible.
[01:19:22]  I'm always like, oh, I can't wait to be a guest on Behind the Bastards.
[01:19:26]  And then every time I do it, I'm like, oh, yes, I'm reminded by how horrible people have been to each other.
[01:19:35]  Yes, and you were the one who picked this topic with a text message.
[01:19:38]  LOL, I think the Border Patrol sounds fun.
[01:19:44]  She does.
[01:19:45]  There you are, Caitlin.
[01:19:46]  I did not.
[01:19:47]  That did never happen.
[01:19:51]  But yeah, I mean, it's good to be informed about these things.
[01:19:54]  So I appreciate learning and being further informed about it.
[01:20:01]  So I, yeah, thank you.
[01:20:02]  Thank you for that.
[01:20:04]  Yep.
[01:20:05]  You're welcome, Caitlin.
[01:20:07]  Thank you for coming on.
[01:20:08]  Is there places people might be able to find you, listen to you, ways to support your work?
[01:20:17]  Why, there certainly are places to do that.
[01:20:21]  Starting with, you can follow me personally on Twitter and Instagram at Caitlin Durante.
[01:20:28]  You can also check out my podcast right here on this network.
[01:20:31]  It's called The Bechtel Cast.
[01:20:33]  I co-host it with Jamie Loftus, and we talk about the representation of women in film and just film in general, examining it through an intersectional feminist lens.
[01:20:46]  So that is what we do.
[01:20:50]  And you can, yeah, check out screenwriting classes right now.
[01:20:54]  Oh, yes, yes, I am.
[01:20:56]  Thank you so much for bringing that up.
[01:20:58]  I also teach screenwriting on account of a master's degree in screenwriting that I absolutely hate to mention or ever just bring up, but it does allow me to teach online classes.
[01:21:13]  So if that's of any interest to anyone, go to my website, caitlindurante.com slash classes.
[01:21:20]  And I usually have new sections coming up starting soon at any given point.
[01:21:28]  And if you want to learn from me, I don't teach screenwriting, but I do teach screenwriting, which is where you sit down with a pencil and paper and I scream at you.
[01:21:38]  And then eventually you give me money to go away.
[01:21:41]  That sounds very educational.
[01:21:45]  We all have to have an extra couple of grips.
[01:21:50]  So either pay Caitlin for an actual service or pay me to abuse you.

=== Closing Thoughts on Money (03:28) ===

[01:21:57]  Either way.
[01:21:58]  Don't love that as a mine.
[01:22:01]  You know what, Sophie?
[01:22:02]  Look, everybody, look, you got to be mean to the audience, Sophie.
[01:22:06]  You got to really kick their ass.
[01:22:08]  I don't know about you.
[01:22:09]  I love them.
[01:22:10]  I appreciate them.
[01:22:12]  And I appreciate you, Robert.
[01:22:14]  So kindness.
[01:22:16]  Is there any way in which you think that closing out a podcast is similar to making love?
[01:22:23]  Just to bring things full surveillance.
[01:22:25]  Oh, wow.
[01:22:25]  Good question.
[01:22:26]  You know, here's how closing a podcast is like making love.
[01:22:30]  Both of them are inherently disappointing.
[01:22:37]  That's what I'm saying.
[01:22:38]  You can follow Robert and I write okay on Twitter.
[01:22:41]  You can follow us at Bowser's Ballet on Twitter and Instagram.
[01:22:43]  We have a Teet Public store.
[01:22:47]  That's it.
[01:22:47]  Bye.
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