Nov. 3, 2025 - The Ben Shapiro Show
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| Hey folks, I want to do something different on today's show. | ||
| We're going to cover one topic in depth. | ||
| That topic is, I think, the most important thing happening in the country. | ||
| It was a hot topic last week, but I wanted to take some time to really gather my thoughts and speak on it in coherent fashion, holistic fashion. | ||
| That topic is the fragmentation of the political right. | ||
| That fragmentation is being caused purposefully by a splinter faction of people led by a young man named Nick Fuentes. | ||
| They call themselves the Groipers. | ||
| They are white supremacists. | ||
| They hate women, Jews, Hindus, many types of Christians, brown people of a wide variety of backgrounds, blacks, America's foreign policy, and America's Constitution. | ||
| They admire Hitler and Stalin. | ||
| And that splinter faction is now being facilitated and normalized within the mainstream Republican Party. | ||
| The main agents in that normalization is Tucker Carlson, who is an intellectual coward, a dishonest interlocutor, and a terrible friend. | ||
| And Tucker Carlson last week was aided, abetted, celebrated for normalizing Nazism within the Republican Party by the mainstay organization of the traditional right, the Heritage Foundation. | ||
| Now, before we explain what's been happening, let's make one thing clear. | ||
| This is not about free speech or cancellation. | ||
| It was never about free speech or cancellation. | ||
| Free speech has a definition, the right to speak free of governmental coercion. | ||
| I believe in it, of course. | ||
| I've always defended it. | ||
| Criticism of bad speech is, in fact, just a form of free speech. | ||
| Cancellation also has a definition, the banning of particular people, including people like Nick Fuentes, from platforms like X or Facebook. | ||
| I believe that Nick Fuentes is odious and despicable, but I've never called for his cancellation. | ||
| And in fact, I've called for his restoration to those services, despite the fact that I think he's odious and despicable. | ||
| It is not cancellation to draw moral lines between viewpoints. | ||
| In fact, we used to call that one of the key aspects of conservatism. | ||
| It is not cancellation to refuse to signal boost Hitler's supporters like Nick Fuentes. | ||
| It is not cancellation to criticize Tucker Carlson for rhetorically fluffing Nick Fuentes and other anti-American crackpots. | ||
| It's not cancellation if you urge others to stop promoting those who rhetorically fluff Nazi apologists. | ||
| Those are all elements of free speech. | ||
| And anyone who says differently is lying to you and lying for the most cynical reasons to misdirect from their own defense of those Nazi apologists and their promoters. | ||
| The issue here isn't that Tucker Carlson had Nick Fuentes on his show last week. | ||
| He has every right to do that, of course. | ||
| The issue here is that Tucker Carlson decided to normalize and fluff Nick Fuentes and that the Heritage Foundation then decided to robustly defend that performance. | ||
| Those who criticize both Tucker and Heritage aren't canceling. | ||
| They are quite properly drawing a moral line. | ||
| So for those who don't understand what's going on, let's begin with Nick Fuentes. | ||
| Now, as I mentioned, last week, Tucker Carlson had on Nick Fuentes. | ||
| Fuentes is a 27-year-old man who's dubbed himself the leader of a movement called the Groipers. | ||
| He has a large audience of alienated young white men in particular, and he's earned increased media attention over the course of the past few years, especially over the last year. | ||
| Now, from Tucker Carlson's interview, you might have gathered that Fuentes has some borderline views on race, a peculiar obsession with what he calls organized Jewry, and a rather sad relationship with the female sex. | ||
| But probably you came away thinking that for the most part, Fuentes lives on the radical edge of normality. | ||
| You think that if you watch the interview, because Tucker Carlson decided that it was important not only to host Fuentes, but to smooth over his views, water them down, and make them far more palatable to a normal audience. | ||
| As we'll discuss in a bit, this is what Tucker Carlson does for a living. | ||
| But back to Nick Fuentes. | ||
| To understand just what Tucker did here, we must actually examine what Nick Fuentes says on his show and has said for almost a decade, because he was asked precisely zero questions about any of what you're about to see by Tucker Carlson. | ||
| Nick Fuentes says women want to be raped. | ||
| A lot of women want to be raped. | ||
| And when I say raped, I mean like, that sounds bad when I say it like that. | ||
| But there's like a lot of women that really want a guy to beat the shit out of them. | ||
| But also they have to pretend, but part of it is they have to pretend like they don't. | ||
| Nick Fuentes says that his followers should kill, rape, and die in his name. | ||
| Raise your right hand. | ||
| All right, everybody, raise your right hand. | ||
| Raise your right hand. | ||
| Repeat after me. | ||
| I will kill, rape, and die for Nicholas J. Fuentes. | ||
| Nick Fuentes says that women are whores who shouldn't be in politics. | ||
| I will continue my crusade against women in politics. | ||
| Because it's always like this, and it's so ironic. | ||
| Women are like, I don't like, when you say, I like, you have to affect the face. | ||
| When you say to repeal the 19th Amendment, that offends me. | ||
| That hurts my feelings. | ||
| It's like, have you ever stopped and considered that maybe if you get offended, there's such a strong emotional reaction to political opinions you disagree with across the board. | ||
| Maybe that's one of the reasons why you shouldn't be making political decisions. | ||
| I'm not attacking women. | ||
| I'm attacking whores. | ||
| You have no problems, right? | ||
| I'm attacking whores. | ||
| I'm attacking sluts, stupid, dirty bitches. | ||
| Nick Fuentes says that Jim Crow was actually better for black people. | ||
| It was better for them too, number one. | ||
| But number two, who cares? | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| You know, enough with the Jim Crow stuff. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
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Oh, they had to drink out of a different water fountain. | |
| Big fucking deal. | ||
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Oh, no. | |
| They had to go to a different school. | ||
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Their water fountain in that famous picture was worse. | |
| Who cares? | ||
| Grow up. | ||
| Drink out of the fucking water fountain. | ||
| It's water. | ||
| It's the same. | ||
| You know, and, you know, even if it was bad, who cares? | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| It's better. | ||
| It's better in general. | ||
| We all agree. | ||
| It was better for them. | ||
| It's better for us. | ||
| Better in general. | ||
| Nick Fuentes says that white people are justified in being racist. | ||
| Reason that we talk about this, by the way, I know a lot of black people see this and they go, man, why are you always talking about black people, this and that? | ||
| Because there just needs to be some shame here. | ||
| Well, there's a few reasons. | ||
| First, white people are every single bit justified in being racist. | ||
| Every single bit justified to the extent that that means going out of your way to avoid black people when you see them. | ||
| Nick Fuentes is a Hitler admirer and a Holocaust denier. | ||
| Buddy, it's Führer Friday. | ||
| It is Hitler Friday. | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| It is Heil Hitler Friday, nigga. | ||
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Heil Hitler, all my niggas, Nazis. | |
| Hitler was a pedophile and kind of a pagan. | ||
| It's like, well, he was also really fucking cool. | ||
| So, you know, time to grow up. | ||
| We're not children anymore. | ||
| Am I right? | ||
| Am I right? | ||
| Am I right, boys? | ||
| Am I right? | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| He was also really fucking cool. | ||
| It doesn't really sound correct to me. | ||
| Wait a second. | ||
| It takes one hour to cook a batch of cookies and you have 15 ovens, probably in four different kitchens, right? | ||
| Doing 24 hours a day every day for five years. | ||
| How long would it take you to make 6 million? | ||
| Hmm, I don't know. | ||
| It certainly wouldn't be five years, right? | ||
| The math doesn't seem to add up there. | ||
| The math doesn't quite seem to add up there. | ||
| I don't think you'd result in 6 million, maybe 200 to 300,000 cookies. | ||
| And I think the Red Cookie Association said something like that. | ||
| Probably 200 to 300,000 cookies baked, probably. | ||
| And in addition, you know, in this hypothetical, I imagine that if you took aerial photographs over the kitchens, you would need to see certain smokestacks to release the smoke from baking the cookies. | ||
| And the smokestacks would project certain shadows, but I guess they're not visible in the aerial photographs taken over the kitchens. | ||
| Moreover, if you look at the soil texture, it's really not deep enough for mass cookie storage underground. | ||
| Nick Fuentes believes that the Jews start all the wars, that perfidious Jews in positions of power ought to be killed, and says the Jews are filth who have to be removed from the country. | ||
| And once again, remember who is responsible for it all? | ||
| The Jews. | ||
| They are responsible for every war in the world. | ||
| It's not even debatable at this point. | ||
| This has nothing to do with oil. | ||
| This has nothing to do with democracy. | ||
| This has nothing to do with liberal internationalism. | ||
| We are at war with Iran because they pose a threat to Israel's hegemony. | ||
| That's why we're bombing their nukes to pave the way for regime change so Israel can dominate the region because that makes them the most powerful they can be. | ||
| There is an occult element at the high levels of society and specifically among the Jews. | ||
| So many of the people that are perpetrating the lies and the destruction on the country, they are evildoers. | ||
| They are people that worship false gods. | ||
| They are people that practice magic or rituals or whatever. | ||
| And more than anything, those people need to be, when we take power, they need to be given the death penalty. | ||
| Straight up. | ||
| And I'm far more concerned about that than I am about even non-white people or mass migration. | ||
| These people that are that are communing with demons and engaging in this sort of witchcraft and stuff, and these people that are suppressing the name Christ and suppressing Christianity, they must be absolutely annihilated when we take power. | ||
| This is God's country. | ||
| This is Jesus' country. | ||
| This is not the domain of atheists or devil worshipers or perfidious Jews. | ||
| This is Christ's country. | ||
| Josh Hammer and Mark Levin, fuck these people. | ||
| Like deeply, seriously, all real Americans, if you are a real American, if you were born in this country, I don't even care who you are, what you are. | ||
| If you are a real American that loves this country, you have generations in this country. | ||
| Your family or you fought for this flag, fought for the Constitution, fought for our church, fought for our civilization. | ||
| For all of you, I say about Josh Hammer and Mark Levin and Laura Loomer, fuck them. | ||
| Fuck them. | ||
| Deeply, seriously, get them the fuck out of our country. | ||
| Nick Fuentes, it should be mentioned, despises Donald Trump and the MAGA movement as well. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| You suck. | ||
| You are fat. | ||
| You are a joke. | ||
| You are stupid. | ||
| You are not funny. | ||
| You are not as smart as you think you are. | ||
| And honestly, and if you watched my show, you know, I've been very critical. | ||
| I've never been this far. | ||
| This just goes to show this entire thing has been a scam. | ||
| When we look back on the history of populism in America, we are going to look back on the MAGA movement as the biggest scam in American history. | ||
| And the liberals were right. | ||
| The MAGA supporters were had. | ||
| They were. | ||
| So that right there is just a brief glimpse into the twisted mind of Nick Fuentes. | ||
| And there's plenty more where that came from, of course. | ||
| Hours of it per day, in fact. | ||
| And there's no doubt that Nick Fuentes has a lot of play these days. | ||
| That's because the left, by moving into a politics of anti-white, anti-Christian, anti-male identitarianism, created its bizarro mirror image, a white pseudo-Christian in-cell identitarian movement dedicated to destroying the institutions of this country and replacing Americanism with something else. | ||
| Nick Fluent's philosophy is not fully formed. | ||
| It's an incoherent stew of malignity. | ||
| But that's where Tucker Carlson enters the story. | ||
| Now, since his exit from Fox News in 2023, when, of course, he was a very, very popular host, Tucker Carlson has turned himself into a conspiracist and a crank and a pathological liar. | ||
| Tucker excuses Vladimir Putin's murderous and barbarous reign. | ||
| He has even become one of his most ardent defenders. | ||
| It is so much nicer than any city in my country. | ||
| I had no idea. | ||
| My father spent a lot of time there in the 80s when he worked for the U.S. government and it barely had electricity. | ||
| And now it is so much cleaner and safer and prettier aesthetically. | ||
| It's architecture, it's food, it's service than any country, a city in the United States that you have to, and this is non-ideological. | ||
| How did that happen? | ||
| How did that happen? | ||
| And at a certain point, I don't think the average person cares as much about abstractions as about the concrete reality of his life. | ||
| And if you can't use your subway, for example, as many people are afraid to in New York City because it's too dangerous, you have to sort of wonder, like, isn't that the ultimate measure of leadership? | ||
| And that's true, by the way, it's radicalizing for an American to go to Moscow. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| I've learned it this week. | ||
| To Singapore, to Tokyo, to Dubai and Abu Dhabi. | ||
| Because these cities, no matter how we're told they're run and on what principles they're run, are wonderful places to live. | ||
| So I guess you put in 10 rubles here and you get it back when you put the cart back. | ||
| So it's free, but there's an incentive to return it and not just bring it to your homeless encampment. | ||
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I went from amused to legitimately angry. | |
| So we were guessing what this would cost. | ||
| Everybody here is from the United States buys groceries and we didn't pay any attention to costs as we were just putting in the cart what we would actually eat over a week. | ||
| And we all came in around 400 bucks, about 400 bucks. | ||
| It was $104 U.S. here. | ||
| And that's when you start to realize that ideology maybe doesn't matter as much as you thought, corruption. | ||
| If you take people's standard of living and you tank it through filth and crime and inflation, and they literally can't buy the groceries they want, at that point, maybe it matters less what you say or whether you're a good person or a bad person. | ||
| You're wrecking people's lives in their country, and that's what our leaders have done to us. | ||
| When Tucker Carlson interviewed Vladimir Putin, by the way, Vladimir Putin was so amused by Tucker Carlson's easy questioning that he actually mocked him. | ||
| Tucker Carlson has massaged the Iranian dictatorship and admitted to not asking any difficult questions of the president of that dictatorship. | ||
| The interview is limited by a couple of factors. | ||
| One, it was done by remote through a translator. | ||
| That's always awkward. | ||
| For another, I don't speak Persian. | ||
| And there are all kinds of questions that I didn't ask the president of Iran, particularly questions to which I knew I could not get an honest answer, such as, was your nuclear program totally disabled by the bombing campaign by the U.S. government a week and a half ago? | ||
| There's no chance he's going to answer that question, honestly. | ||
| I didn't bother to ask it. | ||
| The answer, in fact, from an American perspective, even from the CIA's perspective, is unknowable. | ||
| Tucker bizarrely worships at the altar of Qatar. | ||
| They're mad at you because you don't put your parents in some institution. | ||
| Maybe they're trying to break up your families. | ||
| Well, it can be. | ||
| It can be a reason. | ||
| Honestly, I don't know what is really the purpose behind this, but we see that a lot of things that are happening are attacks on humanity in general. | ||
| When you lose the family value, when you lose the connection between the family themselves, you will lose the connection between the people as well on a broader level, on the people in the same neighborhood, on the people in the same region, in the same countries. | ||
| And that basically will just make us, you know, as individuals who are quote unquote independent from anyone. | ||
| That's what we will feel. | ||
| Yet it will just make our societies vulnerable and easy to be penetrated. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Tucker Carlson praises Venezuela's Nicolas Maduro, even as Maduro keeps the entire country in communist penury and ships fentanyl into the United States to kill Americans by the hundreds of thousands. | ||
| Why are we so opposed to Nicolas Maduro? | ||
| So if you ask someone on the street, random person, why are we against Nicolas Maduro? | ||
| The answer you're going to get is who's Nicolas Maduro. | ||
| But if you find someone in South Florida, for example, who knows who Nicolas Maduro is, who can identify where Venezuela is on a map, that person will almost certainly say, well, because he's a communist or a socialist. | ||
| He's exceedingly left-wing. | ||
| And that is true. | ||
| Nicolas Maduro and his government are very left-wing on economics, not on social policy, by the way, which is kind of interesting. | ||
| In Venezuela, gay marriage is banned. | ||
| Abortion is banned. | ||
| Sex changes for transgenderism are banned. | ||
| It's one of the very few countries in the entire hemisphere with those policies. | ||
| It is on social policy, not defending the regime, just saying one of the most conservative countries in North or South or Central America. | ||
| Only El Salvador really comes close. | ||
| Tucker Carlson glosses Hamas, the genocidal jihadi group behind October 7th, as a political organization. | ||
| You can't claim that they're in Hamas while simultaneously claiming that Hamas is a group of jihadis. | ||
| They're Islamic extremists, which they also claim constantly. | ||
| I don't know if that's true, by the way. | ||
| It seems more like a political organization, but whatever it is, they're telling us constantly they're al-Qaeda. | ||
| Tucker Carlson has attacked President Trump as a cover-up artist for sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein on behalf of Israel and Mossad, making sure, of course, never to mention President Trump's name, because, of course, Tucker's a coward. | ||
| And moreover, it's extremely obvious to anyone who watches that this guy had direct connections to a foreign government. | ||
| Now, no one's allowed to say that that foreign government is Israel because we have been somehow cowed into thinking that that's naughty. | ||
| There is nothing wrong with saying that. | ||
| There is nothing hateful about saying that. | ||
| Tucker Carlson has stated that President Trump has undermined America first and MAGA by attacking Iran, giving in to neocon ghouls like Mark Levin, while also idiotically arguing that President Trump striking Iran's nuclear facilities would lead to World War III. | ||
| Spoiler alert, it didn't. | ||
| Tucker Carlson also said in his interview with Nick Fuentes that the people he hates most in the entire world, more than ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Trans Tifa, Marxists, rapists, murderers, are Christian Zionists who represent an enormous chunk of the conservative base. | ||
| According to Tucker Carlson, who admits that he first read the Bible all the way through just two years ago, Christians who support a Jewish state of Israel are heretics and blasphemers with a brain virus. | ||
| How do you explain Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz? | ||
| And they're a lot like that, John Bolton. | ||
| I mean, I've known them all. | ||
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George W. Bush, like Karl Rove. | |
| I mean, all people I know personally who I've seen be seized by this brain virus, and they're not Jewish. | ||
| Most of them are self-described Christians. | ||
| And then the Christian Zionists who are, well, Christian Zionists. | ||
| Like, what is that? | ||
| And I could just say for myself, I dislike them more than anybody, you know, because like what? | ||
| Because it's Christian heresy. | ||
| And I'm offended with that as a Christian. | ||
| Tucker Carlson has said that he despises American Jews who care about October 7th. | ||
| We, in his words, don't care about America and also want to get his kids killed in a foreign war. | ||
| You know, I've got four draft-age children. | ||
| So if you're playing recklessly fast and loose with their lives, then I have a right to despise you. | ||
| And I do. | ||
| So if you're Nikki Haley who's running for president or Ben Shapiro or half the people I see on television casually mentioning the possibility of nuclear war or sending Americans to fight in the Middle East or in any way involving us in a war that has nothing to do with prosperity and peace at home, nothing in other words to do with us, Americans, then I have a right to call you out and be really offended because it's my family. | ||
| They live here. | ||
| It's not a joke to me. | ||
| It knows nothing abstract about it. | ||
| But most of all, Tucker Carlson acts as an ideological launderer for other people's evils. | ||
| Tucker Carlson says many inflammatory things, always buying back just enough of it to appear as though he's not saying what he's clearly saying. | ||
| He's a master of gaslighting. | ||
| Tucker Carlson, for example, would never say out loud what Nick Fuentes does. | ||
| He wouldn't say the things many of his guests say. | ||
| And so instead, he acts as an ideological launderer. | ||
| He takes other people's hideous ideas, he softens them, he treats them with love and care, and then he provides them with a massive signal boost. | ||
| He isn't merely talking to people in good faith, of course. | ||
| He's promoting certain people and ideas and attacking others. | ||
| So, for example, he'll ask a series of wildly obsequious questions to Nick Fuentes. | ||
| He'll even let Nick Fuentes' support for Joseph Stalin slide. | ||
| It's actually funny. | ||
| It was December 18th. | ||
| I remember because that's an important date to me. | ||
| And it's Joseph Stalin's birthday. | ||
| Oh, I'm a fan. | ||
| You're a fan of Stalin's. | ||
| Oh, he's an admirer. | ||
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But we don't need to go into that, I guess. | |
| Let's get back to it. | ||
| We'll circle back to that. | ||
| But he will grill Ted Cruz about the population of Iran. | ||
| Tucker Carlson will have on Vladimir Putin's evil anti-American mouthpiece, Alexander Dugin, and then praise him. | ||
| Alexander Dugin is a 62-year-old Russian academic philosopher. | ||
| He spent his life in Moscow. | ||
| He was an anti-Soviet dissident as a young man. | ||
| And now he is famous the world over, in the English language press anyway, as quote, Putin's brain. | ||
| But he is not a political figure here in Russia. | ||
| He is, once again, a philosopher. | ||
| And his ideas are deeply offensive to some people. | ||
| In August of 2022, his only daughter was murdered in Moscow when a car bomb killed her. | ||
| U.S. intelligence says she was murdered by the Ukrainian government, and we take that at face value. | ||
| But what's interesting is that once again, Alexander Dugan is not a military leader. | ||
| He's not a close daily advisor to Vladimir Putin. | ||
| He is a writer who writes about big ideas. | ||
| And for this, his books have been banned by the Biden administration in the United States. | ||
| You cannot buy them on Amazon, banning books in the United States because the ideas inside are too dangerous. | ||
| He's often described, again, in the English language press, as far right. | ||
| We'll let you assess, but we wanted to talk to him about some of his ideas, these ideas that are so dangerous that his only daughter was murdered over them and his books have been banned in the United States. | ||
| Tucker Carlson will have on a Hitler-friendly pseudo-historian to minimize the Holocaust and blame Winston Churchill for World War II. | ||
| And he will call him America's best and most honest historian. | ||
| I thought Churchill was the chief villain of the Second World War. | ||
| Now, he didn't kill the most people. | ||
| He didn't commit the most atrocities. | ||
| But I believe, and I don't really think, I think when you really get into it and tell the story right and don't leave anything out, you see that he was primarily responsible for that war becoming what it did, becoming something other than an invasion of Poland. | ||
| You know, Germany, look, they put themselves into a position, and Adolf Hitler is chiefly responsible for this, but his old regime is responsible for it, that when they went into the East in 1941, they launched a war where they were completely unprepared to deal with the millions and millions of prisoners of war, of local political prisoners and so forth that they were going to have to handle. | ||
| They went in with no plan for that. | ||
| And they just threw these people into camps and millions of people ended up dead there. | ||
| And that is the pseudo-historian that Tucker Carlson has said is the best and most honest historian in America. | ||
| Tucker Carlson will have on over and over, a pro-Chinese propagandist who used global warming to promote global socialism, all in order to criticize Israel and hug China. | ||
| Israel has run American foreign policy in the Middle East for 30 years. | ||
| That's how it works. | ||
| This is actually the truth. | ||
| If we drop our angst on big bad Russia, actually, we didn't have a chance to talk about it this time. | ||
| Maybe another time. | ||
| Big bad China, which is also not going to invade the United States, not going to threaten us, not going to go to war with us. | ||
| They got their, they're trying to deal with aging and they've got their declining population and many other things. | ||
| Not that they're falling apart. | ||
| It's a very impressive civilization, but they're not a threat to the United States, honestly. | ||
| And Iran is not a threat. | ||
| Tucker Carlson, of course, brings on pro-Hamas voices episode after episode after episode. | ||
| The instances are almost limitless. | ||
| Tucker Carlson will host Andrew Tate, a pornographer and scam artist who mocks rape victims and preaches a cult of narcissism and cruelty. | ||
| And of course, Tucker Carlson will glorify him and present him as a maligned truth teller rather than an emblem of moral rot. | ||
| See, this is how Tucker Carlson's ideological laundering works. | ||
| You bring your dirty, ugly ideologies to Tucker Carlson's rhetorical car wash. | ||
| He mixes it with some of the vestigial respect Americans have for him from his Fox News days and voila, hideous ideas suddenly become mainstream. | ||
| And then, of course, Tucker denies he said anything controversial at all. | ||
| He was just asking questions. | ||
| He was just interviewing people. | ||
| You don't want him to cancel people, do you? | ||
| Of course, there is no First Amendment right to a Tucker Carlson sensual massage. | ||
| But to listen to Tucker, you'd think there was, so long as you despise America, oppose President Trump's foreign policy, and bear a peculiar dislike of Jews. | ||
| Tucker Carlson, you see, is a coward. | ||
| And here is where his relationship with Nick Fuentes begins, with Nick Fuentes correctly pointing out that Tucker Carlson is a coward. | ||
| You see, Tucker Carlson, a few weeks back, had on Candace Owens to treat her to his usual ideological laundering services. | ||
| That's after years of Candace Owens saying things like this. | ||
| And it is the case that dinosaur bones, for whatever reason, are always just found by the paleontologist. | ||
| Like, it's not like you and me walking outside. | ||
| I'm like, hey, a dinosaur bone. | ||
| And or by somebody who's related to a paleontologist. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| And then, but it was just convenient for Israel that JFK got shot. | ||
| It was just convenient to you guys. | ||
| Totally convenient. | ||
| It was convenient for Israel, by the way, when the towers went down. | ||
| I just want to be clear. | ||
| Anything happens to me, blame the Zionists. | ||
| Like 1000%, blame the Zionists. | ||
| Like let that be my parting word. | ||
| I'm waking people up to the fact that pedophiles are in power. | ||
| They're literally in power. | ||
| And that is intentional because then they can be controlled while they are in power. | ||
| And they are also exhibiting signs of a psychopathology, pathology that lets them know that they will do harm to the masses and feel nothing because they were themselves, many of them, raped when they were children. | ||
| It's not a coincidence that Justin Trudeau is gay. | ||
| Obama, gay. | ||
| Zelensky, gay. | ||
| Emmanuel Macron, gay and married to a trans man who molested him when he was a child. | ||
| Well, Candace Owens had recently hosted Nick Fuentes, and this led Tucker Carlson in an attempt to dissociate from Fuentes to label him a weird little gay kid operating from a basement and a Fed as well. | ||
| That's obvious to me. | ||
| I've been around a long time. | ||
| I know it when I see it. | ||
| Yeah, and I will say, I don't understand it. | ||
| We were very kind to him. | ||
| Like, I truly, like, we almost said, like, we felt maybe he was a bit lonely. | ||
| We should invite him back for dinner. | ||
| I mean, that's how good of an experience I had. | ||
| Yeah, clearly, and then it was a 180. | ||
| So it's either A, it's being driven from like a little boy insecurity, and he just was so worried that he just went on the attack because he doesn't know how to have normal relations after being banned everywhere. | ||
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I think there's the kind of angry gay kid thing going on. | |
| Well, Nick Fuentes did not take kindly to this. | ||
| After all, here was Tucker Carlson, a man Nick Fuentes correctly sees as a fellow traveler, dismissing him, all the while refusing to say the sorts of things for which Fuentes takes slings and arrows. | ||
| And so Fuentes unleashed on him as a fraud and also as an expert on gaslighting. | ||
| Tucker is like the goat of gaslighting. | ||
| But unironically, he goes up at the memorial and said, Charlie Kirk told the truth. | ||
| You know who else told the truth? | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| And you know what happened? | ||
| He got killed by Jews. | ||
| And people said, so are you saying that the Jews killed Charlie Kirk in the way that they killed Jesus for telling the truth because they hate the truth? | ||
| And Tucker said, I never said that. | ||
| You're crazy. | ||
| I never said that. | ||
| Everyone eats hummus. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
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Everyone runs Jerusalem. | |
| But I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth. | ||
| Tucker Carlson says, I have so many trust funds, I never have to work. | ||
| Tucker went to a $45,000 per year private high school, then a $45,000 per year selective Ivy League school in New England. | ||
| Tucker Carlson's daddy was a Reagan appointee. | ||
| And then after years of bragging about being an elite, bragging about being so out of touch and so rich, now he's going to be the spokesperson for all the white people. | ||
| Now he's going to roll up his sleeves. | ||
| I just like to hunt and fish in my log cabin. | ||
| I care about Klarna and credit card debt. | ||
| But then when it comes to me, I'm one of the real disaffected white people. | ||
| You want to talk about me and them? | ||
| I am them. | ||
| Well, there was one big problem for Tucker Carlson in all of this. | ||
| Nick Fuentes is absolutely 100% correct. | ||
| Tucker is a coward. | ||
| And Tucker's audience, much of which he shares with Nick Fuentes, knows it. | ||
| And so Tucker hit upon a final stratagem. | ||
| He let Nick Fuentes cuck him. | ||
| He brought Nick Fuentes on to legitimate his ideology. | ||
| He signal-boosted Fuentes, glossed him, shined him, presented him to the world, all in order to protect his own reputation with his online base, a base he is competing over with Nick Fuentes. | ||
| Now, of course, Tucker has a right to do all of this for the 100th time. | ||
| He knew what he likes. | ||
| This is America. | ||
| But there's no question that Tucker has become the most virulent super spreader of vile ideas in America. | ||
| And the rest of us who oppose those vile ideas have every right to call him that. | ||
| There's one other element here that's even darker, if possible. | ||
| Tucker Carlson preys on the friendship he proclaims with others. | ||
| And then he knives them directly between the shoulder blades when convenient for him. | ||
| Tucker Carlson is, in short, a terrible friend. | ||
| Tucker Carlson was supposedly Charlie Kirk's friend. | ||
| Charlie believed that Nick Fuentes was vermin. | ||
| That's a direct quote. | ||
| He believed that because Nick Fuentes dedicated his life to destroying Charlie Kirk and TPUSA from the inside. | ||
| In fact, here's Nick Fuentes describing Charlie Kirk the month before Charlie was murdered. | ||
| Charlie Kirk cannot call himself a Christian anymore. | ||
| Sorry, you forfeited that. | ||
| I do not want to hear, and you cannot allow Charlie Kirk to go to one more public event, one more question and answer, one more ask me anything, without being protested, without being shouted down, without being interrogated about this. | ||
| This guy goes around from campus to campus in the most artificial and phony and fake way. | ||
| And here is Nick Fuentes describing how he destroyed TPUSA from the inside. | ||
| Whether he chooses to confront me or not, whether he has dignity and honor or not, it's just a matter of time. | ||
| My ideas are already there. | ||
| I've already impregnated your organization. | ||
| I took Turning Point USA and I fucked it. | ||
| I took your organization. | ||
| I took your baby, Turning Point USA, and I fucked it. | ||
| And I've been fucking it. | ||
| And that's why it's filled with groipers. | ||
| That's why your whole crew, that's why the people around you, that's why you're chapter presidents, that's why you're attendees, they're all groipers. | ||
| And here is Nick Fuentes calling Charlie Kirk unpatriotic and talking about how he's a retarded idiot and saying all firepower should be focused on Charlie Kirk. | ||
| I think a lot of people are starting to find out Charlie Kirk is not the patriot that he says he is. | ||
| And so I look at what happened last night and I think to myself, this is totally a doable operation. | ||
| You know, Charlie Kirk in the grand scheme of things is just some retarded idiot. | ||
| The dog is terrified. | ||
| I had to go upstairs and reassure him because I'm screaming at my stream, at my screen, calling Charlie Kirk a bitch and everything. | ||
| The contrast could not be more clear. | ||
| Charlie Kirk is a totally unexceptional human being. | ||
| A moral struggle that's happening on the higher dimension, right? | ||
| Which is Christ versus the devil. | ||
| Who does Charlie Kirk serve? | ||
| You know, is he really a Christian? | ||
| Is he really Christ-like when he supports foreign wars and Israel and all this? | ||
| Look at the people he's taking money from. | ||
| You know, so the guy's a fake Christian. | ||
| The guy's not a patriot. | ||
| He hates our country. | ||
| He's un-American. | ||
| Let's focus all our firepower on Charlie Kirk. | ||
| Why are we doing this? | ||
| It's because Charlie Kirk is a fake patriot, a fake Christian, and he hates his people. | ||
| He's anti-white. | ||
| This is our angle. | ||
| Nick Fuentes despised Charlie Kirk. | ||
| And for good reason, because Charlie Kirk actually opposed Nick's evil program. | ||
| Here's what Charlie Kirk had to say about Nick Fuentes' agenda. | ||
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But if you go back to the original founding fathers, they intended this to be a European nation for white men of good stock and character. | |
| So can you show me, let me answer the question. | ||
| Can you show me where in the United States Constitution it says that? | ||
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It wasn't in the Constitution. | |
| It wasn't in the Constitution because they didn't believe it. | ||
| What does the phrase e pluribus unum mean? | ||
| What does the phrase e pluribus unum mean? | ||
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Why is that relevant? | |
| Because it was on every founding document and presidential seal from our founding documents, which means out of many countries. | ||
| And your ideology is not conservative. | ||
| It is right-wing, identitarian. | ||
| It has no place in the conservative movement, my friend. | ||
| Get out of the trolls, and I don't platform, and I don't discuss people, or I don't debate with people that are not good faith actors. | ||
| And they can keep on yelling at how successful we are in our big events and well over a thousand employees, but a lot of jealousy out there. | ||
| We build. | ||
| They complain. | ||
| We succeed. | ||
| We win. | ||
| They blame the Jews. | ||
| After Charlie's death, TPUSA made Tucker Carlson one of its chief faces. | ||
| Tucker, of course, spoke at Charlie's memorial, where he implied that humus eating nefarious Jews killed Charlie, with no mention of the ideology of the actual alleged murderer, who was, of course, a trans activist gay furry. | ||
| Tucker Carlson, in fact, has spent more time talking about Jews in Israel since Charlie's death than about the trans FIFA ideology that motivated Charlie Kirk's killer. | ||
| By a long shot, it's not close, which is not a surprise since he seems to spend very little time these days attacking anyone on the left. | ||
| Well, now, Tucker Carlson has seen fit to launder Nick Fuentes, the person who hated Charlie most and who wished him destruction. | ||
| That's not an act of friendship. | ||
| It's an act of sick evil. | ||
| And then, of course, there's Tucker Carlson's relationship with the vice president. | ||
| Certainly, Vice President Vance has been quite generous with Tucker Carlson. | ||
| That loyalty was not reciprocated last week, to say the least. | ||
| Here, for example, is what Nick Fuentes has said about J.D. Vance's wife, Usha. | ||
| Andrew Tate and Bronze Age Perford and all these people, for years, all they talk about is going to the gym, being a vitalist, fighting the Matrix, India smells bad, all this kind of shit. | ||
| And now they're all in favor of a fat race mixer who's married to a Jeet who named his son Vivek, who was mentored by a Jewish neocon and a gay fed, Peter Thiel. | ||
| This guy has a non-white wife and a kid named Vivek. | ||
| This guy is going to be a defender of white identity? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| This guy's going to defend American identity. | ||
| You slammed JD Vance for having an Indian wife. | ||
| Yet, Trust's wife is an immigrant who was working here legally for a time. | ||
| His son is half foreign, bilingual, and holds your citizenship. | ||
| Yet you give him the pass. | ||
| You're either a hypocrite or just retarded. | ||
| She's white. | ||
| She's white. | ||
| If we had millions of Slovenian supermodels immigrating to America, I don't think we'd have a big problem with it. | ||
| Tucker Carlson had on Nick Fuentes and did not ask him a single question about any of this. | ||
| He just brought him on to launder his ugly ideas and make him more popular. | ||
| That doesn't seem quite like the act of a friend. | ||
| Which, finally, brings us to the Heritage Foundation. | ||
| Now, I have a long and admiring relationship with the Heritage Foundation. | ||
| One of the very first outlets to pick up my syndicated column when I was 17 years old, 24 years ago, was townhall.com, then a property of the Heritage Foundation. | ||
| I know most of the leadership very well, and I have for decades. | ||
| I know Kevin Roberts, and I like him, and I'm grateful for his contributions to the conservative movement. | ||
| If you're a regular watcher of this show, you can check the interview I did with Kevin on the release of his book just last December, which is why what Kevin Roberts did last week is tragic and awful. | ||
| He put out a statement that Heritage Foundation didn't just stand by Tucker Carlson. | ||
| Kevin instead said openly and repeatedly that Tucker Carlson can do nothing ever that will sever his relationship with the conservative movement. | ||
| He said that after and in defense of Tucker's glossing of Hitler defender Nick Fuentes. | ||
| And he added that only members of the globalist class, direct quote, a venomous coalition, direct quote, subject to the dictates of someone else's agenda, direct quote, oppose Heritage's ongoing relationship with Tucker Carlson, which means that according to Kevin Roberts, apparently, anyone opposing the ongoing mainstreaming of Tucker Carlson is acting on behalf of a foreign power. | ||
| Kevin's statement is a betrayal of the Heritage Foundation's history and principles, which is presumably why both Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes loved it. | ||
| And that's a tragedy because America needs a robust conservative organization based on principle and ideas, not personal loyalty to bad actors like Tucker Carlson. | ||
| We need strong leaders in the conservative movement willing to speak out against the moral rot that threatens our future. | ||
| I hope Kevin Roberts and Heritage show us that they can still be those leaders. | ||
| But if not, we'll have to look elsewhere. | ||
| So, why is all of this happening? | ||
| Because, like the Democratic Party, the Republican Party is being eaten by its radicals. | ||
| Many in the political class are too cowardly to stand up. | ||
| Apparently, they're willing to play footsie with Groipers and hug Tucker Carlson out of fear of somehow losing support. | ||
| They've been bamboozled by the lies of the X algorithm and the TikTok metrics. | ||
| The left followed its radicals to electoral hell. | ||
| Apparently, many on the right wish to do the same. | ||
| Forget the morality then for just a moment. | ||
| Let's be pragmatic. | ||
| Here is the thing. | ||
| Americans hate Nick Fuentes' philosophy. | ||
| They think it's trash. | ||
| Republicans by the polling think it's trash. | ||
| Independents think it's trash. | ||
| Democrats think it's trash. | ||
| And here's the other thing. | ||
| Americans hate Tucker Carlson's laundered anti-Americanism. | ||
| Republicans think it's trash. | ||
| Independents think it's trash. | ||
| Democrats think it's trash. | ||
| Americans are not pro-segregation, pro-rape, anti-woman, pro-child marriage, anti-black, anti-Jew, anti-Indian, anti-Latino, anti-Constitution, pro-Hitler nutjobs like Nick Fuentes. | ||
| And Americans are not pro-Putin, pro-Iran, pro-China, pro-Venezuela, pro-Hamas, pro-Fuentes, pro-Tate idiots like Tucker Carlson. | ||
| They hate this vile garbage. | ||
| If Republicans decide to cower before the likes of neo-Nazis and their propagandizers, they deserve to lose. | ||
| And they will lose. | ||
| Neo-Nazis and their propagandizers are not Republicans. | ||
| They are not America first. | ||
| They are not MAGA. | ||
| They sure as hell aren't conservative. | ||
| These people aren't to my right. | ||
| They are not attached in any way to the fundamental principles of conservatism. | ||
| And these people have already declared themselves to be my enemies. | ||
| I'd be a fool not to take them seriously. | ||
| If they get their way, they will hollow out the Republican Party, lead it to electoral catastrophe, and empty it and the country of any semblance of decency in the process. | ||
| My answer is no. | ||
| No to the Groipers. | ||
| No to their publicists like Tucker Carlson. | ||
| No to those who champion them. | ||
| No to demoralization. | ||
| No to bigotry and anti-meritocratic horseshit. | ||
| No to anti-Americanism. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is our country. | ||
| This is our party. | ||
| And this is our conservative movement. | ||
| And I will not stand by while it is handed over to those who betray the most fundamental principles I have spent my entire life defending and advocating. | ||
| That is a path to defeat and a path to moral oblivion. | ||
| I reject it because if we lose the right, we will lose to the left. | ||
| And either way, we'll lose the country. | ||
| I'm Ben Shapiro. |
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