Ben Shapiro and Vivek Ramaswamy dissect the "rigged" 2024 presidential debate, citing ABC moderators' four fact-checks against Trump versus Harris's unchallenged lies regarding her identity and abortion stance. They analyze how Harris's temporary polling boost may fade by next week despite undecided voters viewing her as more presidential, while Ramaswamy praises Trump's clarity on IVF and his closing argument exposing Biden-era incompetence. Ultimately, the discussion concludes that the race hinges on establishing Harris's responsibility for White House failures and her ideological inconsistency, suggesting the debate resulted in a status quo ante with no major voter shift. [Automatically generated summary]
That debate was rigged on behalf of Kamala Harris.
Soup to nuts, beginning to end.
ABC News should be ashamed of themselves.
They destroyed any credibility they had.
David Muir, Lindsay Davis were doing the bidding of the people at the top of the chain at that network.
The person on top of that chain is very good friends with Kamala Harris, actually fixed up Kamala Harris with Doug Emhoff.
I mean, the bias is real, and it is spectacular.
We're going to get into all of that, plus what Trump didn't do, what Harris did.
We'll get to that momentarily.
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Last night was a rigged game.
It was a rigged game, beginning to end.
We'll get to the three big elements of the debate.
Donald Trump's performance, Kamala Harris' performance.
But the biggest element of the debate, by far, was the moderators.
I don't think Trump did himself any long-lasting damage last night, because in the end, Donald Trump is still Donald Trump, and he will remain Donald Trump forever.
Kamala Harris, I think, actually over-performed for Kamala Harris.
I think this is the best Kamala Harris can perform.
The reason she could do that is because of the third factor, the moderators, and they did themselves lasting damage last night.
The legacy media made itself appear to be precisely what it is, a Praetorian guard on behalf of the Democratic Party.
David Muir and Lindsay Davis were so far up Kamala Harris' ass, they were performing active colonoscopies with their eyeballs.
It is impossible to overstate how in the tank for Kamala Harris they were.
The basic format of the debate was they would ask Trump a question about how terrible his policies were, and then they would immediately swivel and ask Kamala Harris how terrible Donald Trump's policies were.
It was unbelievable.
You have a question that effectively amounted to, Mr. President, when did you stop beating your wife?
And then he would attempt to spin, he'd attempt to defend, he'd get defensive, he'd answer.
And then they would turn to Kamala Harris and say, what do you think of him lying about beating his wife?
It was insane.
Insane.
And it's not just me saying this, the data are saying this.
Our friend Ryan Saavedra, reporter over at Daily Wire, he went through the debate transcript and he counted.
There were four fact checks last night, active fact checks on the stage.
Donald Trump was the subject of all four fact checks.
In fact, we have a montage of Donald Trump being fact checked.
Falsely, by the way.
Falsely.
In the majority of these cases, by the members of the ABC News moderating panel.
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She laid out her game plan pretty early on.
In clip four, for example, she suggested that it was all going to be about the playbook that lies in the grievances.
She laid out her playbook and the media picked up on that playbook and they were going to repeat the playbook all night long.
Here she was laying out exactly her playbook against Donald Trump.
Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression.
Donald Trump left us the worst public health epidemic in a century.
Donald Trump left us the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.
And what we have done is clean up Donald Trump's mess What we have done and what I intend to do is build on what we know are the aspirations and the hopes of the American people.
But I'm going to tell you on this debate tonight, you're going to hear from the same old tired playbook, a bunch of lies, grievances and name calling.
She goes on like this for like two straight minutes.
Two straight minutes of, I have no idea what I'm talking about.
Very simple question.
This is where Trump comes in.
The media were awful last night, without a doubt.
It was a three-on-one pile-on.
Every element of debate was rigged against Donald Trump because they are, in fact, attempting to rig, via their influence, this election in favor of Kamala Harris.
There is no question that that is a thing that is happening.
However, the opportunities were still there for Trump to take.
And this is where you get to Trump's performance last night.
Trump did not perform well last night.
He did not do his job last night.
Donald Trump's job was to point out a few things.
Not all that many.
One, she's the current Vice President of the United States.
She's responsible for every single thing that is happening right now in the United States.
She's responsible for those things.
And this would have been a perfect time for him to do it.
Right, she's asked a question.
Are you better off than you were four years ago?
And she just rambles like a nut.
He should come back and the first thing he should say is, you know, I noticed she was asked a question.
Are you better off now than you were four years ago when I was president of the United States?
And she proceeded to tell you about her middle-class childhood and about all the plans that she apparently has not implemented as vice president for the last three and a half years.
The reason she's avoiding the question is because we all know the answer.
You aren't.
You're way worse off than you were four years ago because she's the Vice President of the United States.
Because she's the Vice President of the United States.
That's why you're worse off.
She won't answer that question.
You can ask her a thousand times and she won't answer the question because she knows the answer and I know the answer and you know the answer.
That's what Donald Trump should do.
Instead, Donald Trump gets sidetracked.
So this was the story of the night.
Kamala Harris's entire game plan was to basically like a laser pointer with a cat, point Trump at something that annoys him and bugs him and then wait for him to jump at it.
So she starts going off on his tariffs and his economic plans and all the things that he's done.
And he then responds by rambling for a while about how his tariff plans are actually quite good and all the rest of this kind of thing.
Like that is not useful.
That is not useful.
He needed to be on task last night because here's the thing.
What became apparent, what has been apparent for months at this point, the media are not going to do the job of informing the American people about Kamala Harris.
If you watched that debate last night, you came away with zero new information about Kamala Harris.
Zero.
You know no more today than you knew yesterday or the day before about Kamala Harris and her positions.
If 30 plus percent of Americans don't know enough about her positions yesterday, same number don't know much about her positions today because the moderators were totally uninterested in asking her about it.
But it was up to Trump because she's not going to make herself subject to interviews.
She is not going to elucidate her opinions.
She is not going to make clear what exactly she has changed her mind on.
And so it was up to Trump last night to just point that out over and over.
And he didn't.
And he didn't because he got distracted.
And that was the biggest problem last night for Donald Trump.
That was the biggest problem.
So, for example, You know, that clip where she's talking about how it's gonna be lies and grievances and he left us the worst economy and all this kind of stuff.
Trump got sidetracked on that, right?
He immediately went defensive.
He shouldn't have gone defensive.
He should have said, listen, you're complaining about what you were left.
What you were actually left was an economy that was in recovery from the worst pandemic in a century.
And what you have given us is a complete and utter disaster area.
The question of this election is again, extraordinarily simple.
Are you better off under your administration or mine?
We know the answer.
He could have said that over and over and over.
It was not, it didn't require memorization.
It didn't require detailed knowledge of anything.
I'm not asking Donald Trump to memorize the GDP stats.
All I'm saying is that he could have done that.
But I think somewhat understandably, He, because it was a three-on-one, because it was a pile-on, I think he felt the necessity to defend himself from all of this stuff, rather than going on offense.
And that was a mistake.
So, again, she makes all these false claims, and his immediate move is to start talking about his amazing record on the pandemic.
Now, here's the thing.
Most people don't actually think the pandemic went all that well.
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So why is he doing this?
It is not useful.
It is not useful.
And Kamala Harris is sitting there grinning because she knows she's thrown him off the scent.
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What she played last night was a trick on Donald Trump.
The trick was very easy.
She got Donald Trump to talk about Donald Trump.
And that was a win for her!
Because if Donald Trump is talking about Kamala Harris, She loses.
If the country is talking about Kamala Harris, she loses.
If the country is talking about Donald Trump, she wins.
And she knows that.
And Trump fell for it last night.
And that is a mistake by him.
It certainly is.
Here is clip five was Trump talking about the economy and the pandemic.
Again, every element of this debate should have been about the current administration.
She's the sitting vice president and maybe acting president.
And you couldn't come away from that debate last night thinking that Donald Trump is the current president of the United States and she's the challenger.
Here's Trump's response to that particular bit of lying and chicanery by Kamala Harris.
And the pandemic was not since 1917, where 100 million people died.
Has there been anything like it?
We did a phenomenal job with the pandemic.
We handed them over a country where the economy and where the stock market was higher than it was before the pandemic came in.
Nobody's ever seen anything like it.
We made ventilators for the entire world.
We got gowns.
We got masks.
We did things that nobody thought possible.
And people give me credit for rebuilding the military, they give me credit for a lot of things, but not enough credit for the great job we did with the pandemic.
But the only jobs they got were bounce-back jobs.
These were jobs bounce-back, and it bounced back and it went to their benefit, but I was the one that created them.
You don't need to know about the fake plan she's putting up on her website.
She's the vice president of the United— Again, I keep hammering this over and over and over, because that's how you win a debate in a situation like this.
What you want, if you are Donald Trump, is for the American people to come away from the debate with the following observations about Kamala Harris.
One, she is not ready for the job.
She has no idea what she's doing and she's not ready for the job.
Two, she is the sitting vice president.
She owns everything you hate about the country right now.
She owns that.
It's a changed election.
It's time to get rid of her.
And three, you have no idea what her real plans are because she doesn't know what her real plans are, but we all know that her values haven't changed.
She said it.
I didn't say it.
She said it.
And her values are far left.
Right?
Incompetent?
Owns everything that's happening, far left.
Those are the three things that people needed to come away with last night.
I'm not sure they came away with any of them, largely because the Democrats basically created, via David Muir and Lindsay Davis, an impenetrable shield around Kamala Harris, and partially because Trump got so distracted by pretty much everything.
Again, that's not to say everything that he said last night was ineffective or bad.
Again, he had some pretty funny lines.
In clip nine, Trump says, you know, she's switching all of her positions, and he's right about this.
Everything that she believed three years ago and four years ago is out the window.
She's going to my philosophy now.
In fact, I was going to send her a MAGA hat.
She's gone to my philosophy.
But if she ever got elected, she'd change it.
And it will be the end of our country.
She's a Marxist.
Everybody knows she's a Marxist.
Her father's a Marxist professor in economics, and he taught her well.
But when you look at what she's done to our country, and when you look at these millions and millions of people that are pouring into our country monthly, where it's, I believe, 21 million people, not the 15 that people say, and I think it's a lot higher than the 21, that's bigger than New York State pouring in.
This is part of the other problem with Trump's performance last night, is that he would say the first half of the line and not explicate what he meant by the line.
What he should say is, I'm gonna send her a MAGA hat.
I, for example, had said for a year that there should be no taxes on tips.
She saw that was good policy and she immediately copied it.
I've always been in favor of fracking.
She wanted to ban fracking and now suddenly she pretends that she's in favor of fracking.
Why is she on my side of the aisle?
I'm always in favor of gun rights.
She's now saying that she doesn't want to mandatorily confiscate guns.
That's weird.
What's she doing over here?
You know, last time I looked at her, she was way the hell over there by Bernie Sanders.
And now I look and she's standing right next to me, hugging my policies.
It's very strange.
But he didn't flesh it out.
He kind of leaves it out there because I think, again, he speaks in Twitter.
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So, for example, he says she's a Marxist.
Okay, now would be an excellent time for him to explain what he means by that.
It happens to be true, by the way.
Right, what he should say is, she's a Marxist.
How do I know she's a Marxist?
She put out a video in November 2020 in which she claimed that the job of the government is to find equal outcome for everyone.
Equal outcome, not equal opportunity, equal outcome.
That is a Marxist principle, and she is seeking to implement that across the United States.
Right, he needs to actually explain what he means by that.
Instead, he says, well, her dad was a Marxist.
Okay, well.
Okay, I mean, that's true as far as it goes, but it doesn't do a lot of the work.
It doesn't do a lot of the work.
Now, I think Trump's best moment actually was on abortion.
The problem was that here's where every time Trump started to get some momentum, the moderators stepped in and cut him off at the knees.
So, for example, he pointed out that Democrats are radical on abortion, which is true.
And he pointed out that her vice presidential pick has been in favor of abortion across the board.
This is all true.
And he says that Democrats are against things like the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.
Democrats want to make it so that if a baby is quote-unquote accidentally born during an abortion, there's a botched abortion, baby's born, they don't want to make it so there's no criminal liability that attaches to letting the baby die.
That is true.
Democrats do want that.
That is why Tim Walz opposed a Born Alive Infant Protection Act in Minnesota.
And eight babies have actually been born during botched abortions and have died on the table in Minnesota.
And so he says that.
And he's right.
And you know what the moderators do?
They lie.
Because it turns out the fact-checkers are there to lie on behalf of Kamala Harris.
They fact-checked Trump, and it's a false fact-check.
It's a false fact-check.
Democrats want to make it so no legal liability attaches to a doctor doing exactly what Ralph Northam, again, Trump did this right.
He said Ralph Northam, the former governor of Virginia, literally said that if a baby is born alive accidentally during an abortion, you put it off to the side and you make it comfortable until you decide what to do with it.
That is a thing that Ralph Northam said.
And they lied about it because Lindsay Davis is a liar, and David Muir is a liar, and they are lying on behalf of their preferred political party.
Because I gotta tell you, the cocktail parties are amazing in New York.
It's not really about cocktail parties, it's about friend circles.
I guarantee you that for years and years and years, David Muir and Lindsay Davis have been saying to each other over coffee and to the rest of their colleagues, they've been saying, you know, if I ever get Trump in front of me, here's what I'm gonna ask him.
And if he lies, I'm gonna fact check him so hard it'll make his head spin.
They've been prepping this for years.
Our friend Cabot Phillips, who covers this stuff for the Daily Wire, who's actually at the debate, where he's in the spin room with the rest of the media, he said the media were actively cheering and guffawing during the debate.
There were like a thousand members of the media and people were actively groaning at Donald Trump saying things.
There is an entire media apparatus that is designed in order to propagandize on behalf of Kamala Harris, and they made themselves apparent last night in the room.
By the way, she lied one second later, literally lied one second later about abortion.
She said that he would sign a ban on abortion nationwide.
Not only is that not true, J.D.
Vance, who is pro-life, more pro-life than Trump is, J.D.
Vance has said that's not true.
So she's lying.
Did the moderators fact check her?
Of course not, of course not.
They're too busy massaging her shoulders.
They're too busy participating in the human centipede at the rear end.
Okay, so, again, I think that for the first half hour of the debate, despite all the obstacles, despite everything else, I don't think Trump was doing amazing, but he was certainly holding his own.
And then we got into distractible Trump, like the really distractible Trump.
And this started with Kamala Harris playing the most obvious distraction game in the entire world, and Trump could not resist it.
It was very, very frustrating.
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My friend Matt Walsh last night was pointing this out.
He said this is the turning point of the day.
I thought it was a great observation and it's true.
So, clip 14.
Kamala Harris decides that she is going to just attack him about his rallies.
And for whatever reason, this has become a weird sore spot with Trump.
He should be pretty confident about his rallies.
His rallies are packed.
People love him.
That is what it is.
But he can't stop himself.
He can't stop himself.
And his actual affect in the debate changed.
She attacked him about his rallies, and now he's pissed.
Now he's really pissed.
Sort of like how in the first debate with Joe Biden, he wasn't really upset the entire debate until Joe Biden started claiming that he was a scratch golfer, and that really got under Trump's skin.
She dropped this just to get under his skin.
This is itching powder to Trump.
She dropped it specifically to annoy him, and it worked.
And that's a failure by Trump.
It is.
You cannot be distracted by this sort of stuff.
Here was Kamala Harris saying a dumb thing.
You know what his response should have been?
It should have been, what do you care about my rallies?
Why are you concerned about my rallies?
I'm concerned about the American people.
People come to my rallies because they want to hear what I have to say.
I assume people go to your rallies because they want to hear what you have to say.
And also because they want to hear like Taylor Swift or something.
But the American people don't like your policies because they suck.
because you're bad at being vice president.
Right, that.
You just have to keep bringing it back, keep bringing it back,
bringing it back to the policy and he wouldn't do it.
Instead, he just chases that, what, like, again, just squirrel
and just races off after, after whatever the distraction is.
And that's a failure.
Here's clip 14 where the, where this started to go really off the rails.
And the people that do go, she's bussing them in and paying them to be there.
What they have done to our country by allowing these millions and millions of people to come into our country and look at what's happening to the towns all over the United States.
And a lot of towns don't want to talk.
It's not going to be Aurora or Springfield.
A lot of towns don't want to talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it.
In Springfield, They're eating the dogs, the people that came in.
They're eating the cats.
They're eating... They're eating the pets of the people that live there.
I mean, that laugh comes out and you're like, oh no, oh no, but, but, she got under his skin.
So he starts going off about the rallies, and then he starts actually saying that this is one of the problems.
The people around President Trump, I don't know who's giving access to the very online Giving Trump access to those people or giving those people access to Trump?
I don't know who's doing that.
It's ridiculous and it needs to stop.
The very online crowd is going to lose in this election.
The people who are super in love with the memery, the people who think that this election is going to be won or lost based on whether a Haitian migrant is carrying a goose in Springfield, Ohio, those people need to be far away from President Trump.
They do.
I mean, that's just a reality because he's up there and he's repeating stuff about cats and dogs being eaten.
And there's controversy about whether that's happening.
Again, it is true that the Springfield city manager has said that that is not happening.
But again, as J.D.
Vance has said, the vice presidential candidate, who's quite good at this, he has said, it doesn't really matter whether that's the case.
The case is that you flooded a town of 60,000 people with 20,000 Haitian immigrants.
And that has some pretty dire ramifications for both the social fabric and for the social services in that particular town.
But Trump can't do that.
So, again, there are three stories here.
The first story is about the media.
That really is the big story.
Because they allowed Kamala Harris to get away with it last night.
It is a rigged process.
Rigged, rigged, and rigged.
And the second story is about Kamala Harris, who evaded all blows.
And what that comes down to is both the media defending her, She was well prepared.
And it comes down to President Trump not laying a glove on her all night.
He really did.
Because in order to lay a glove on somebody, it's not enough to throw occasional jabs amid sort of wild wheeling.
You have to hit the jab over and over and over and over.
You have to jab and then jab again.
It has to be short.
It has to be concise.
It has to be punchy.
Which is a thing that Donald Trump used to be able to do really well and I think still can again in the right circumstances.
But yeah, it was very difficult to sit and watch this thing happen.
It was very difficult.
So even when Trump was getting in points, it was sort of amid a litany of other points.
And so it sort of got lost in translation.
It started to sound like the Charlie Brown teacher.
That was the problem for President Trump last night.
Beyond all of the rigging.
And again, you can't blame Trump for all of that because it's very difficult to walk into a circumstance where it's one on three.
I've been in those circumstances.
It's not fun.
It's not easy.
With that said, was this a win for Donald Trump last night?
Obviously not.
Which was the purpose.
That's why they rigged it this way.
In just one second.
We'll get to more of this.
We'll get to the media attacking Donald Trump on January 6th.
And again, Trump chasing the rabbits.
And then we'll get to the actual impact of this, which again, I think that you're going to get, the vibes machine is going to ramp back up for Kamala Harris.
I'm not sure how long that can last.
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So, for example, David Muir, of course, has been waiting years to do this.
He wanted to ask Donald Trump about January 6th.
Of course, of course, of course.
Now, you'll remember in the first debate, Donald Trump actually was asked about January 6th when he was facing off with Joe Biden.
And you will remember that Donald Trump said people care a lot less about January 6th than they do about, you know, how they're doing right now.
Like, Joe Biden's been the president.
They care about what they're doing right now.
And you could have given the same answer here, right?
The question was, you said you were going to march to the Capitol, and AIDS said you would watch it unfold.
Say, listen, we can have a debate over what I said or did on January 6th.
I obviously have a perception.
I said that they should peacefully and patriotically march to the Capitol.
I was not in favor of rioting and violence, as I made clear throughout the day.
But that's not the issue in this election campaign.
The issue in this election campaign is, do you want her to be the President of the United States, right?
He needs to get back to that.
But, because he was being assaulted from all sides, and because he's distractible, he decided to just keep going on this.
Like, going and going and going on this.
And the media were—Muir and Davis were more than happy to watch him spin out over this, just spin his wheels.
Kamala Harris, too.
If you're reaching out to independent voters, do you want multiple minutes on Ashley Babbitt?
I mean, it's terrible that Ashley Babbitt was shot.
She shouldn't have been in the Capitol building in the first place.
There's disputed circumstances, all sorts of problems there.
But is that what this election is going to be about if Trump is to win?
Again, getting into the details of security arrangements on January 6th is not the winning strategy right here.
But again, she was aided all night long by the media.
We said she wasn't fact-checked at all.
The single most egregious example of this.
She started dumping lie after lie after lie.
This is where she's mannered.
Like, everyone's pretending that she was amazing last night.
She wasn't amazing.
She's the best Kamala Harris can be, which is to say, mannered, practiced, wildly inauthentic.
Totally, totally incapable of expressing genuine human emotion.
I know they're trying to pretend that she's like a big hugger and she's super authentic and she's relatable.
She's not any of those things.
She's the most air stance candidate in modern American history.
She is as fake as a $3 bill.
She is truly fake.
So she just lies here over and over.
Where are the fact-checkers?
Did they disappear?
They're gone.
Here she's about to deliver a multiplicity of lies, one after another.
No fact-check, nothing, nothing.
They just let it sit there.
This is where, again, the moderators, my goodness, if there were a professional guild that actually were in charge of moderating debates, these people would be out on their asses.
But, of course, there isn't, and so they will be fetid and celebrated by the mainstream media as having done a wonderful job.
Here's Kamala Harris lying over and over and over and over and over again.
He said, when I win, those people who cheated, and then he lists donors, voters, election officials, he says will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, which will include long-term prison sentences.
One of your campaign's top lawyers responded saying, we won't let Donald Trump intimidate us, we won't let him suppress the vote.
I mean, she's awful, but that question is such a setup.
It's such a setup.
So, Kamala, Donald Trump, puppies.
Do you think that makes him, you know, the worst person in the world or even worse than the worst person in the world?
On a level, on a scale, Ms.
Vice President, on a scale of Stalin to Hitler, Where does Donald Trump lie?
Is it like below Stalin but above Hitler?
Or above Hitler and also above Stalin?
Like where?
I mean, these questions are an absurdity.
They're an absurdity.
And by the way, no serious follow-ups.
So, I'll show you the no serious follow-ups game.
Clip 32.
This was the moment where Donald Trump should have put her through a wall.
There are many moments in this debate that are very frustrating.
As a professional, you know, debate watcher, as a person who does this for a living and has watched every major presidential debate for the last 25 years or whatever, You can tell when there are openings.
There are a lot of openings here for Donald Trump to have clocked her.
But again, I think that Trump was so distracted by all the attacks on him and fighting off a three-to-one vantage that I think that that threw him.
This was the moment where Trump should have put her through a wall.
Truly.
Clip 32.
The only question Meir asked Almighty that was really kind of, should have been tough for Kamala.
Well, I will tell you, I agreed with President Biden's decision to pull out of Afghanistan.
And as of today, there is not one member of the United States military who is in active duty in a combat zone in any war zone around the world the first time this century.
But let's understand how we got to where we are.
Donald Trump, when he was president, negotiated one of the weakest deals you can imagine.
He calls himself a dealmaker.
Even his national security adviser said it was a weak, terrible deal.
And here's how it went down.
He bypassed the Afghan government.
He negotiated directly with a terrorist organization called the Taliban.
The negotiation involved the Taliban getting 5,000 terrorists, Taliban terrorists, released.
And get this.
No, get this.
And the president at the time invited the Taliban to Camp David.
This is like, I think, the most crucial area of the debate.
This particular exchange is the absolutely crucial.
If there is a crucial area, we'll get to that in a second as to what the impact of the debate is, because I think the kind of answer to the impact of the debate is not much.
Once it's all out in the wash, I don't think that it's going to mean all that much, but this was, in many ways, the crucial area of the debate.
Okay, why?
Let me go through the transcript right here to make sure that I hit all the points because there's a lot here.
Okay, one, she asks, she is asked, do you bear any responsibility in the way the withdrawal played out?
And her immediate answer is, I was there and it was great.
Trump's answer should start with, Madam Vice President, you were just asked whether you bear any responsibility for the way the withdrawal played out.
And you said you agreed with the decision making, which means you own that disaster.
You own the billions of dollars in American military equipment left to the Taliban.
You own the fact that the Taliban took over the country while you and your president lied blatantly to the American people.
You own the people falling from the wheel wells.
You own the 13 dead American soldiers whose families you didn't even contact and then you slandered me for having gone to Arlington National Cemetery at their behest.
You own the fact that there are 19 million Afghan women living in slavery and servitude.
You own all, you pretend you care about women, you'll give up.
damn about women, you are perfectly happy to watch them stuffed into bags in the basement,
not going to school at the age of 11, and forcibly married to men three times their
age because you wanted your headline victory. This is on you and you have no regrets. You
have none. Don't give me your empathy. You don't have empathy. All you care about is you.
Okay, that is what Trump's answer should have been to the first point where she blatantly
acknowledges that she has no regrets, no regrets whatsoever about what happened in Afghanistan.
Okay, then she says that there is not one member of the United States military in active duty in a combat zone, in any war zone.
That also is a lie.
You should be saying, the only reason that you can say that, Madam Vice President, is because you're ignoring dead Americans.
Again, Americans have died this year.
In the Red Sea, attempting to stop the Houthis.
Americans are in combat zones right now.
We have ships in the Mediterranean off the coast of Lebanon.
There are Americans in war zones.
We just did an operation against ISIS.
You don't care about any of those people.
You're willing to watch them die for your own personal political gain.
That's point number two.
And then she starts with the, you negotiated a bad deal with the Taliban.
Again, this was her throwing the red herring out there.
And he falls for it.
And David Muir helps.
David Muir is so gross.
So gross.
Because the follow-up here should be, so Madam Vice President, again, the question was, do you bear responsibility for Afghanistan?
Do you have any regrets?
You didn't answer it, do you?
He didn't do that.
Instead, he turns to Trump, and he doesn't even ask Trump to respond to her.
He asks Trump to respond to his deal with the Taliban, which is utterly irrelevant, because when she and her boss took over, they were then the people in charge of what happened in Afghanistan.
So Muir deliberately points him at another issue.
And Trump, because he's distracted, and because he's distractible, doesn't ignore the question and go right at Kamala Harris.
Okay, another thing she says in here, which is insane, insane.
She says, you know what a terrible deal maker.
You negotiated with terrorists.
She is actively negotiating with Hamas right now.
She and her boss put an arms embargo on the state of Israel in the middle of a terrorist cell holding Americans hostage.
Donald Trump was taking on Kamala Harris, and that is a lady who does not believe in the American dream in any real way.
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What it really is about is the fact that she was allowed to skate on all of this.
And David Muir, David Muir, again, the transcript says, That's not how you do a response question.
Thank you.
President Trump, your response to her saying, you began the negotiations with the Taliban.
That's not how you do a response question.
You say, President Trump, your response.
He literally frames the part he wants Trump to talk about.
Ignore the fact that she just lied about Americans in combat zones, dying in combat zones.
Ignore everything she has said about her own record in Afghanistan.
Ignore the fact that she says now it's suddenly bad to talk with terrorists when she is actively negotiating with people who are terrorists and kowtowing to all of their supporters in Gilmore, Michigan.
David Muir wants you to talk about what you did at Camp David.
That's the really, really important thing.
Again, it's the missed opportunity.
The missed opportunity is what this is all gonna be about.
So she just started by saying she's gonna do this, she's gonna do that, she's gonna do all these wonderful things.
Why hasn't she done it?
She's been there for three and a half years.
They've had three and a half years to fix the border.
They've had three and a half years to Create jobs and all the things we talked about.
Why hasn't she done it?
She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together and do the things you want to do, but you haven't done it and you won't do it.
Just in this show, I've listed off at least a dozen lies that Kamala Harris told last night, ranging from the fine people on both sides hoax to the idea that she never backed mandatory gun buybacks.
I mean, she's lying all to the fact that he backed Project 2025.
A lie.
The idea that he was going to sign into law some sort of nationwide abortion ban.
A lie.
The idea that there are not Americans in combat zones, a lie, right?
Just lying, all night long lying, Kamala Harris.
You got Daniel Dale pretending that ain't the case.
Now, I do think the American people are smart enough to see through a lot of all of this.
I think that the American people can see that the media rigged this thing on behalf of Kamala Harris.
And Donald Trump's response to the debate was this, here he was today.
I don't know what he was watching, because I think he wasn't watching the debate that I was in yesterday.
I think we did great.
It was 3-1.
It was a rigged deal, as I assumed it would be, because when you looked at the fact that they were correcting everything and not correcting with her, and we knew it when it was 100% good coverage for her over the last month or last year, I looked at it and Only bad coverage of me, no matter what.
The press is so dishonest in this country, it's amazing.
Now, I didn't mind, because frankly, I knew, I was pretty sure that's what they would do.
CNN was much more honorable.
The debate we had with Biden was a much more honorably run debate, but this was incredible.
I mean, everything, so many things I said were debunked, totally debunked, like Charlottesville.
I could have a list of seven different things, and she could say anything she wanted.
Everything, every time I spoke and my stuff was right, they'd correct you.
I thought it was terrible from the standpoint of ABC.
They're the most dishonest, in my opinion, the most dishonest news organization.
And that's saying a lot because they're all essentially really dishonest.
That is, again, whether you did a great job or not, what he's saying about the bias of the moderators, that is absolutely true.
Now, there is a big problem for Kamala Harris.
Okay, there is.
She did not actually quiet anybody about her own policies.
She, I think, quieted some concerns about her lack of coherence.
Right?
Because she wasn't totally incoherent last night.
Yeah, there was a lot of word salad.
Yeah, there was a bunch of sloganeering.
But, she didn't fall over herself.
She didn't turn into cackling Kamala.
She didn't do any of those things.
And so, from that perspective, it's a win.
But, for the 30% of Americans who are still kind of concerned about the fact that she has bad policies, Well, I mean, it kind of turns out that those policies are still really bad.
ABC's Elizabeth Schultz pointed out she didn't answer, like, any of the questions, any of them.
And this was the signal failure of Murren Davis.
Didn't even bother to ask her any follow-ups.
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Vice President Harris was asked if she believes Americans are better off now than they were four years ago.
And frankly, as you pointed out, she didn't answer the question.
She instead pivoted to talk about, in broad brushstrokes, some of the policies that she's highlighting.
The polling data says that Trump lost the debate, right?
The snap polls say that Trump lost 2 to 1.
Now, how much of an immediate reaction is that going to have?
I think the answer is kind of not much.
So that same CNN...
poll that said, you know, you viewed the debate, who do you think won?
And people in that CNN poll by like a 63, 37% margin said that Kamala Harris won.
That same poll showed that before the debate, Donald Trump was winning on who would better handle the economy, 53 to 37.
After the debate, he was winning 55 to 35.
So she has not quieted any of the fears about her as an actual candidate.
She has not calmed any of that down, which is a major problem for her.
And it's going to continue to be a problem.
Now, what is she going to get out of the debate?
She's going to get a bunch of vibes.
She's going to get the vibes.
There will be some gas in the tank.
She'll get a big fundraising boost.
Her enthusiasm among her base is going to be a lot higher.
All of that's quite real.
She might get a couple points of bump in the polls, right?
She might jump back up to like a 49-47 lead as opposed to being down 48-47 or something like that.
It's all going to remain within margin of error because this is a very, very tight election.
And then it'll run out.
And by next week, We won't be talking about this anymore.
By next week we'll be talking about whatever is the next thing that is happening.
Will there be more debates?
I don't think so.
I know that there's a lot of talk today about whether there's going to be more debates.
And Kamala Harris wants one.
She immediately came out and said, I want another debate.
I want another debate.
Of course she wants another debate because if it's going to be you and the moderators teaming up on Trump, then yeah, why wouldn't you want another debate if you are Kamala Harris?
Trump has said that he wants another debate, but obviously the devil's in the details.
Donald Trump cannot accept another one of these debates where the moderators just do her work for her.
He cannot.
That'd be a large scale mistake.
And he should say that.
He should say, listen, I'm happy to do a debate with no moderators.
No moderators.
We'll get the questions submitted in advance.
And then it will be a minute for you, a minute for me, 30 seconds rebuttal from each with a clock.
And there'll just be someone there who will just set the clock.
And when the beep goes off, the mics get muted.
And that's it.
Right?
That is a thing that he could do.
He could say, you know what?
If we're going to set up a debate, how about this?
We'll set up a system.
There's a system that's used in Jewish law courts, by the way.
I'll pick a moderator.
You pick a moderator.
They both pick a middle moderator.
How about that?
We could do that.
But he cannot accept the presets of CBS News or NBC News getting to decide who moderates the next debate, if there's going to be one.
And frankly, I'm not sure that another debate benefits him.
I just don't think, I'm not sure it does, because she's going to be able to lie her way out of it.
And seeing how easily she gets under his skin, tactically speaking, I'm not sure that that juxtaposition helps him.
Also, this debate did not hurt him that bad, you know, and that's the big takeaway.
At the end, a lot of takeaways.
She was more competent than was thought.
She studied up.
She did her job.
He missed the opportunity.
The media were awful.
But in the end, what's the big takeaway?
So the New York Times has a fascinating piece out today.
It's titled, Pundits Said Harris Won The Debate.
Undecided voters weren't so sure.
Tuesday night was the first time any voter had seen Mr.
Trump and Ms. Harris.
Harris together.
The two candidates had never met in person before, creating considerable trepidation among supporters of both campaigns about how they might perform.
Immediate reaction from political analysts favored Ms.
Harris, whose attacks appeared to rattle Mr. Trump.
But not all voters, especially those undecided few who could sway the election, were effusive about the vice president's performance.
In interviews, these undecided voters acknowledged that Ms.
Harris seemed more presidential than Trump, and they said she laid out a sweeping vision to fix some of the country's most stubborn problems.
But they also said she did not seem much different from Mr. Biden, and they wanted change.
And most of all, what they wanted to hear and didn't was the fine print.
Voters said they were glad she has a tax and economic plan.
They also want to know how it'll become law when Washington is so polarized.
They know she wants to give assistance to first-time homebuyers, but they doubt that's realistic.
Going into the debate, Harris faced a challenge Trump did not, telling the country what they should expect from her presidency.
She was unable to do that.
Again, that's, I think, in the end, the takeaway.
I think we are back to status quo ante.
I don't think things really changed based on this debate.
It's just, again, for the thousandth time, a missed opportunity, and there can't be more missed opportunities, which means the next big thing, October 1st, that is the vice presidential debate between J.D.
Vance and Tim Walz.
Normally, those don't make a huge, big difference or anything like that.
You never know, in this sort of bizarre election cycle, what could make a difference, and there are going to be exogenous events that affect this election.
But bottom line is that if you're a conservative, if you're a Republican, if you're a Trump supporter, don't be despondent.
Don't be in despair.
Acknowledge that last night was not a great night for Trump.
And also it doesn't hurt him particularly much.
If you're a Democrat, I know you're over the moon this morning.
I know you're feeling great about Kamala Harris.
You know that she's going to run away with this thing.
It's all over.
Understand there's two months left of the election.
She's going to shift back into vibes mode and avoid all questions for the foreseeable future.
The problem is the American people still don't have their answers.
Stop thinking about it from the perspective of somebody who supports Harris or opposes Harris.
Think about it from the perspective of somebody who doesn't know enough about Harris.
Do you think any of those people got any new information last night?
The answer is no.
Joining us online to discuss this debate is Vivek Ramaswamy.
Of course, you know Vivek from his presidential run.
Did Kamala Harris exceed the already low and purposefully low expectations set for her?
Yeah, I think she did.
But the media narrative is now magnifying that into something that was very different than what actually happened.
I thought Donald Trump's best moment, the best moment for either candidate on substance last night, I actually think, Was Donald Trump being able to inform a lot of independent voters and a lot of undecided voters what his actual position, the Republican Party's actual position is on abortion, on IVF?
Where they've told the public for a long time, the Harris campaign and the media has abetted this, saying that he would sign a federal ban on abortion.
I actually thought that was one of the exchanges where he came out with crystal clarity, and also the fact that he's going to champion IVF.
I know that seems like one of the smaller, topic-focused takeaways from last night, but if you fast-forward this three weeks, that's one of the most substantive impacts I think it's going to have on the race for an issue that a lot of people do seem to think is a big one for the presidential race at the level of voters.
I think the three-on-one pile-on was an embarrassment for ABC.
I think that David Muir, in particular, did an awful job of even feigning even-handedness.
Often what you see in media bias is you'll see the appearance of feigning balance.
I think in David Muir's case, they didn't even try to feign balance with the number of times they fact-checked, I use that in air quotes, fact-checked Donald Trump, but without even attempting to really go after Kamala Harris for her prevarication on a wide range of topics.
So that was a bit of a disappointment.
The other thing that I think President Trump, I think, could hit even harder, I think he hit it hard last night, but I hope in any future debates that come up he does, is the question he really nailed in the conclusion, which is, why haven't you done everything that you're now saying you're going to do over the four years that you actually held power along with Joe Biden?
He made a compelling case for that in the closing.
I thought his, one of his sharpest moments was actually said, When he said, we can end this debate and you can actually go back and sign a bill, and if not sign a bill, take an executive action that would close the border.
And in some ways that, in that short moment, highlighted what I think is probably his most powerful argument throughout all of her race to the center.
She can say what she wants, but her actions speak louder than words.
And I think the best moments for him were last night when he actually allowed that theme to come through.
Overall, two weeks from now, I don't think it's going to have a major impact on the race.
I think it's gonna come down to a couple of open issues that haven't been addressed on policy by Kamala Harris.
Yeah, and I'm not going to beat a dead horse in complaining about aspects of last night.
One hard reality is that would have been a job for the moderators in a format in which they have muted mics.
You know, Donald Trump, I think, did try at several points in time to address questions to Kamala Harris, but that wasn't the level or the type of format That had been negotiated, and when the moderators completely abdicated that responsibility, I think it, you know, it was a missed opportunity for voters, is what I would say, to see a lot of those holes in Kamala Harris's policy positions.
I agree with 90% of what you said.
The only part I disagree with, you know, you and maybe some others when they've made this claim, is I think calling Kamala Harris a far-left Marxist is almost giving her too much credit.
It assumes that she's ideological, right?
Bernie Sanders is ideological, okay?
You could give somebody, I disagree with his ideology, but he has an ideology.
I don't think Kamala Harris particularly has an ideology.
I think what's closer to the flame is the idea that she's just another cog in the system.
So anyway, that's my perspective on, you know, as we wrap up the debate from last night.
Basic thing is I think a lot's gonna happen in the next six weeks and two weeks from now.
I think much of that debate's going to be irrelevant, except for I think the ability to take the legs out from under the Democrat argument on abortion, which I think was a quiet but underappreciated positive coming out of last night.