Matt Walsh joins Ben Shapiro to discuss his new documentary, Am I Racist?, premiering September 13th, which exposes the "anti-racism grift" by having Walsh infiltrate DEI workshops under aliases like Steven. The film details his participation in a "white grief" support group and a "Race to Dinner" event where he waited tables before toasting racism, critiquing shifting definitions used by Robin DiAngelo and Ibram X. Kendi that implicate entire groups. Walsh argues consultants exploit white guilt for profit, suggesting solutions include policy changes, lawsuits against illegal programs, and a cultural shift away from misplaced guilt over immutable characteristics like race and gender. [Automatically generated summary]
On today's episode of The Sunday Special, I sit down with the man, the myth, the fearless leader of the Sweet Baby Gang, Daily Wire's very own Matt Walsh.
Matt's latest exercise in trolling in the libs, Am I Racist?, premieres in theaters September 13th.
He's here to talk about the making of the documentary and the rotten ideas it exposes.
You know Matt best from The Matt Walsh Show, where his political commentary and cultural critiques highlight our nation's most alarming trends.
Walsh is also the best-selling author of the children's book Johnny the Walrus, which playfully points to the absurdity of transgender ideology.
In 2022, Walsh's first documentary film, What is a Woman?, went viral around the globe for his clever expose of the gender medicine grift.
Walsh's knack for revealing lies with satire has been captured once again in Am I Racist?, where the toxicity of racial equity is on full display.
In the film, Matt infiltrates a white privilege grief workshop.
He disguises himself as a DEI consultant to the queen of the anti-racist, Robin DiAngelo, all the while he threads the needle for us as viewers on the profound anti-Americanism that undergirds all of it.
Today, Matt and I discuss the making of the film, his observations on the interviewees, and the most sinister aspects of wokeness.
All of us here at Daily Wire cannot wait for the rest of the nation to see the film and grapple with the reality of the grift of the DEI industry.
Don't miss this inside look at Am I Racist?
out in theaters September 13th.
Welcome back to another episode of the Sunday Special.
Well, we knew we wanted to explore... The first question is, like, what issue do you want to get into next?
And it was pretty obvious we wanted to get into race and the anti-racism grift and DEI and all that stuff.
And the next question is, like, well, how do you approach it?
And, of course, with What Is A Woman, the whole...
Kind of premise of the film is just me going around and asking very, very simple questions, remaining like a blank slate, not really skeptical, but also not believing anybody the whole time.
I think we knew with this issue that that strategy probably doesn't work as well.
And we don't want to just do the same thing over again.
So our idea with this was like, well, What if we start in the same place?
I start by just asking questions, but rather than remaining a blank slate, if I just take everything I'm told and believe it uncritically and then try to put it into practice, where will that take us?
It made it fun, but also challenging because we didn't, when we started making the film, we honestly didn't know where it would go or what the film would be in its final, at the end.
Yeah, this is very early on, and we discovered that You know, there are these workshops that, I guess we ask ourselves, like, if I want to start this journey, where should I begin?
Fortunately, there are a lot of DEI-certified experts out there offering their services for a fee, sometimes a quite handsome fee, and they have all kinds of workshops.
And so we looked into these workshops, and one that we found was a workshop for your white grief to work through if you, as a white person, feel grief, And guilt over your privilege, which I, of course, do.
I have a lot of grief all the time.
A lot of guilt.
I'm Catholic.
I carry around a lot of guilt.
As Catholics, we have a lot of Catholic guilt.
So I figured this is a good place to start to kind of unpack, as they would say, a lot of that.
And going to this workshop, we all sit around.
As you'll see, it looks like an AA meeting, basically.
A bunch of white people.
There's a black woman who's the leader of the group instructing us.
We were told when we first started, one of the rules is that if you're a white person in the group and you start to get emotional and cry, you can't cry in the group because white tears are manipulative.
We got into it, and I discovered, as we were sitting in the group and talking about it and going around in circles and answering questions, I started to get pretty emotional.
It was... It was much more... It was much heavier than I thought it was going to be, I guess.
And so I had to leave to go to the cry room at one point.
And while I was in the cry room, unfortunately, a couple of people in the group realized who I was.
They put two and two together.
They talked to the other people in the group.
Told him who I really was, and this clip picks up with me re-emerging from the cry room, drying my eyes off, and then this is what happens.
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The white participants in the group feel that there's something in themselves that they have to overcome.
When all that's being requested of you is that you be.
And I think for folks who don't actually understand how deep-rooted this is in American society, I think most Americans, they look at this like, this is very fringy.
Not that many people that I think normies know goes to a white guilt seminar where they weep about their Exposure to white privilege and all of this sort of stuff, most people are presumably not doing, as we'll see in another clip, a dinner party with Siri Rao.
We'll get to that in a minute.
But this does pervade all of American society.
It's baked into law.
It's baked into employment policies at a wide variety of companies.
According to Kamala Harris, it's baked into her policies as would-be president.
Equity is pervading all parts of the federal government.
Maybe you can explain for a second, like, why Americans should really care about DEI.
It's become a buzzword on the right, but for a lot of people, they don't necessarily understand what it is.
Yeah, well, I think the fact that most Americans aren't sitting around in a circle at a white grief seminar or going to a race-to-dinner event, that's sort of the point.
That's why it matters, because most people are not true believers like this.
They want nothing to do with this craziness.
And yet, like, the people you see in the film are the ones who are coming up with these programs that are then foisted on normal Americans at their jobs.
So, maybe in your free time you're not choosing to go to something like this, but the problem is that this stuff is brought to you in places where there's no reason why I would be there.
The fact that you just want to work, you know, you're working a job that has nothing to do with any of this, and yet you're being forced to At the very least, listen to this sort of lecturing, if not actively affirm it in a lot of cases.
So, this is why we have to care about it, because we really have no choice.
I wish we were in a position where we could look at some of these people in the film and say, total fringe doesn't matter, what they say is totally irrelevant.
I want to get to a point where it is irrelevant, but right now it's not.
So, when you were preparing for the film, did you have to read a lot of the tomes from these people?
One of the people who you get in the film is Robin DiAngelo, the author of White Fragility, which is one of the best-selling anti-racist books of the last 10 years.
It's sold hundreds of thousands of copies.
It was used as sort of the guide for the pathetic white people during the race riots of 2020, during the George Floyd uprising.
Did you have to read through a lot of this material in order to prep for the film?
I mean, it's just... And it's also just... By the way, folks, if you want to see like a full scale review of that, I think I once did like an hour and a half review of this on YouTube, where I went like point by point through Robin DiAngelo.
And the way they define racism is that they are participants in a system that perpetuates racism.
As Ibram X. Kendi once suggested, he was asked to define racism and he said, a system that perpetuates racist ideas for racist purposes, which of course is not a definition of a term.
You cannot define a term by using that same term.
If I ask you to define shoe and you say, well, it's a shoe that fits on your foot, That has not helped in any way, shape, or form.
Yeah, there was a moment in time when we slightly toyed with the idea that maybe this movie should really be called What is a Racist?
Because we found that that right there is actually a question that trips these people up, which is just that.
What is racism?
Um, and with... Ibn Rayskendi is not the only one who can't really define it, because if he gives the actual answer, which of course is... it's not complicated, like if you...
If you hate someone because of their race, if you think another race is inferior to your own, then you're racist.
That's basically what racism is.
But they don't want to say that because then that, number one, that implicates all races potentially.
Anyone can be racist.
They don't want to accept that.
And number two, they know that most people don't feel that way.
And so if that's the definition of racism, the average person will hear that and think, okay, yeah, I legitimately don't feel that way about other races.
They're not interested in implicating individuals, only insofar as they can then use those people as an attack on the broader, quote-unquote, racist system.
And the way that they define racism is any system that perpetuates inequality, an outcome between two groups, is a racist system.
And the way you can tell that the system perpetuates the inequality is that the inequality exists.
So if there's any inequality of result between white people and black people in any measure of American life, except athletics, in any measure of American life, then it must be that this is a racist system and it's been set up by the group that is predominantly successful in order to victimize the other group.
success equals racism in this particular way of viewing the world, which is why Asians
are now white adjacent, because Asians are too successful, it's why Jews went from being
Jewish to being white. It's why if you are a black person and you are too successful
and you vote Republican, you are now considered white because you can't be part of that institutional
structure. It's all ridiculous power games masquerading using the words that we all thought
that we knew when we were growing up in the 1990s.
Everybody knew what a racist was.
It wasn't like you had to go through all these hoops to try and figure out what the hell it meant.
It wasn't particularly complicated.
And so you would see something racist and you would call it out and everybody sort of agreed on it and then we'd all move on with our lives.
But that wasn't enough for these people because what it really is is a Marxist revolution in the guise of race speak.
And, you know, they're lying about it and that's why they can't define it because if they were to define it, it would become clear.
That's also why they Part of the game is, especially if they want to implicate Asians and even some black people as being somehow partly white, the way they do that, of course, is you just tack on "-ness," at the end, white "-ness," and so you turn, you know, they've turned racism into this kind of amorphous concept.
And then they turn being white into an amorphous concept too, where it's... Yeah, if you have skin we consider white, then you're part of whiteness.
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So, I think people don't understand how much work it takes to put into a film.
They watch the final product, and unless you've actually lived it the way that you did, it's very difficult for the audience to see all the work that goes into doing something like this.
For the sake of people understanding, how much time did you have to spend on the road?
I want to say it's probably about almost 18 months of production on this.
And that means just us on the road going around talking to people.
Dozens and dozens of hours of footage that you then have to take.
Especially with a film like this, you know, it's because you're kind of figuring out the story as you go along.
And so you shoot a lot of stuff and then you go back in and you figure out what the story is and you build it out from there.
So yeah, it's a lot of time and a lot of work.
But it's quite rewarding work.
I think it's even more rewarding than like the work that goes, in my opinion, the work that goes into a podcast because people don't, People listen to a podcast and think that there's no work that goes into that, like we don't have real jobs.
Which, you know, maybe is fair, but it actually is a lot of work that goes into it.
But the problem is that you do a podcast, you give your take on whatever the news of the day is, and then tomorrow there's new news, and no one cares about what you said yesterday.
So everything lives for like 12 hours.
You do a film, there's a lot more work that goes into it up front, but hopefully, if it's successful, it will be relevant for more than a day.
And one of the things that you obviously have to rely very heavily on in both What Is A Woman
and in Am I Racist is the fact that you have the world's best deadpan.
So I have to ask, how was this cultivated?
Is this a sort of natural persona, the deadpan?
How do you not break?
When I watched What Is A Woman for the first time and people were saying ridiculous things
and you were just absolutely stone-faced, I mean, I'm okay at it.
I'm pretty good, somewhere in the mid-range.
You're like extraordinary levels of deadpan.
And then there's a lot of that in this movie.
Here you actually have to act as though you are sympathetic to the things that people are saying, which I think is actually in some ways harder and in some ways easier.
First of all, which one did you find harder?
To keep a straight face or to sort of mimic sympathy for the positions?
I mean, you go pretty far here.
I mean, there are times here where you're actually crying.
There are times where... That's some pretty solid pretending, as you say.
Yeah, but it is... The hardest part is always, in both of the films, is when you're in the room with just really terrible people who are saying awful things.
So it's not like I have to hold myself from...
Holding myself from laughing is not a problem for me.
Holding myself from yelling at them and saying, you effing moron, what are you talking about?
That actually does take effort.
So that's the difficulty there.
And really, in both films, it was very good that we had a great team behind us, Joseph Foucault, who's the director, who could kind of keep me on target.
Because in both films, I got to a certain point where I said, We gotta stop doing it this way.
Just put me in a room with one of these people so I can yell at them and argue with them.
Let's just totally change the direction of this film and just make it that.
I gotta go right at these people.
And in both cases, they kind of pulled me back.
And I'm glad that they did, because in the moment, you almost feel...
There's anger you have to suppress.
It almost feels like, this feels wrong.
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And when we first decided to make this movie, the first thing I said to the team is, I want To get on Race to Dinner.
We have to find a way to get to Race to Dinner.
Because I'd heard of this Race to Dinner thing years ago.
These are two women, Saira Rao and I believe Regina Jackson is the other one.
And they've been doing this for several years now.
And their whole thing is they go around the country and they go to dinners.
And they sit at a dinner table with white women, only white women, and they sit there for two hours eating dinner and explaining to the white women why they are racist and horrible.
And just really kind of breaking them down.
It's like, it's honestly, you'll see in the film, it's like a, it is a, it's probably the first real brainwashing session, real intense brainwashing session that I have Personally witnessed and you can kind of see it happening and this is what these women do they go around the country and they charge money You know, they're paid thousands of dollars to come to dinner and call people racist now So we knew we wanted to this in the movie somehow First thought was of course was it'd be great if I could attend a dinner and sit there and be a part of it and We tried to make that happen and we discovered that no you have to be a woman You actually have to be a biological woman.
Hmm They had another way of putting it.
they said, I forget what they said, they said you had to be socialized as a woman.
That was their way of putting it.
But really, you have to actually be a woman to be at the table.
So that wasn't gonna work for me, unfortunately.
And so we came up with a new plan.
I was like, well, maybe I can, I can't be at the table, but maybe I can get into the room another way.
And we set it up so that it just so happened that I was working for the company
that was catering this dinner.
And so I got to be a waiter at the dinner.
But I went in with the goal of, I'm in the room, I gotta find a way to sit at the table.
I gotta earn my seat at the table.
And that's how I'll know that I've really moved to the next stage in my anti-racist journey.
And so I think that this, that's where this clip picks up.
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I used to be a white woman, an unsuccessful one, for many decades, and it was a miserable experience.
And really, the hatred of yourselves and each other is, like, the most.
The not seeing your power.
The being afraid.
Like, all you do is talk about each other, talk about yourself.
The only thing we had planned was we wanted to end on a toast.
And if we could get them to participate in a toast to racism, that would be fantastic.
Of course, as you saw, they did.
So we knew that.
And that was pretty much it.
That was the end point.
And the rest of it was just, we'll see how they respond.
We honestly didn't know.
I thought that there was a pretty good chance that the first time I interjected, they would kick me out, tell me to leave.
They didn't.
Another thing we discovered, it's like an interesting psychological thing we found making these movies, that people just don't, they don't want to get up and leave situations, and they don't want to tell you to leave.
People are willing to put up with way more than you think.
And so all the places we're going are, like, far-left spaces.
And so, you know, we can use that to our advantage.
I can walk into a place, have a mask on.
They can't—not only can they not question it, But, and not only does it disguise your identity a little bit, but it actually gives you more credibility.
Like, now I'm more liberal than you.
I'm actually taking your health into consideration here.
I kind of expected that they would, but on the other hand, I guess there's not a lot they can say.
Maybe, I'm sure eventually they'll come out, maybe once the movie comes out.
Probably a lot of them are sitting kind of nervous right now and thinking about embarrassing things they said and thinking like, God, I hope that didn't make it into the film.
I can tell them right now, it did.
And to Robin DiAngelo in particular, there's one moment that she's thinking, oh my gosh, I hope that's not in there.
Or even, You know, you're trending on Twitter, people are mad at you for something.
And if you're in media personality mode and you're at work, I find that that stuff can bother me more.
I'm more aware of that.
But then it is kind of a magical thing.
So much of that exists just in this little box.
And you can go home and just put the box down.
And it's like it's not even happening, which is kind of a power move to know that in this little box there are thousands of people that are really mad at you and yelling at you, and you're just with your kid reading them a book.
And then the good thing is, I know we've talked about this a little bit off air, but of course, not surprisingly, people are much more bold on the internet than they are in real life.
And it's a really interesting thing that Like, if you were to follow me on Twitter, or you on Twitter,
And see the kind of reaction we get.
You would think that when we go out in public, like, half of the people that come up to us hate our guts and are, like, throwing tomatoes at us and kicking us out and saying they'll come around here.
It's, like, almost never happens.
I go out in public and it's 99.9999% of the time, if anyone talks to me, they're really friendly and, you know, they're just very supportive and they're wonderful, saying very nice things.
It's, like, the very rare occasion when anyone says anything even remotely negative in person.
All of that, almost all of it, lives in the little box.
So to get back to the film itself, so obviously you're taking on TI, it's a big topic.
It's obviously a big topic in this presidential election, and it's the undercurrent of the presidential election that we are not allowed to speak about.
As I've said before, the media like to play the sort of bizarre who's on first game, where they're like, we are appointing the first black woman vice president, and it's so important, and you're like, that's kind of racist.
No, like, what's racist?
Like, to appoint somebody on the basis of being black and a woman, like, no, that's racist.
Like, what's racist?
That you said that you're appointing her only because she's a black and a woman.
You're like, well, but you just said that.
Like, no, no, but when we say it, it's not racist.
When you say it, it's racist.
It's this whole bizarre game.
Now, how much does, you know, the DEI mentality infect our politics?
And what does it mean for this particular presidential election?
Yeah, well, when we call her the DEI president, as you said, that's, that's, we're just taking them at their own word.
And Joe Biden, This is what happens if you announce ahead of time that I'm only looking for... Now, you could claim... You could try to claim that... The most you could claim is that, well, she was the best black woman who was available.
And that I don't buy either.
But that's the most you could say, because you announced ahead of time that you're only looking in that particular category of people.
So... Yeah, it's a DEI president, and...
In a way I guess it's sort of good because it brings us to the forefront and the reality is that having a DEI president is a troubling thought.
It's even more troubling to me to think about having a DEI Airline pilot or, you know, heart surgeon.
And the truth is that this stuff infects all those industries also.
So, you know, the aftermath of What Is A Woman turned into a fair bit of activism.
And the third act of What Is A Woman is all about you taking the fight to the left, you know, going after places that are transing the kids, trying to go to states and say that this has to stop, that this is cruel, it's unusual.
I mean, it's basically a violation of the Eighth Amendment.
It's terrifying and horrifying.
And you're actually taking action.
When it comes to DEI, what are the sort of solutions that you hope that people take away from the film?
Well, there are political solutions, some of which, you know, Donald Trump has talked about outlawing programs that exclude people on the basis of race, which are already supposed to be outlawed.
Most of that stuff is, like, flagrantly illegal already.
So shutting that down, which a lot of that could be done on a policy level, I think, A lot of the other changes, I think, could be made relatively easily with just lawsuits, but people that are affected by this stuff need to file lawsuits, and we've seen a little bit of that happening already.
And yeah, we have an activist court system and all of that, but even so, I mean, this stuff is so flagrantly illegal that I think a lot of it only remains in place because it hasn't been challenged in the courts.
And so that has to happen.
And then there's kind of a cultural level too.
It's similar with what is a woman, that there were laws that needed to be changed.
A lot of those laws have been changed.
Policies need to be put in place.
A lot of them have been, not all of them, but a lot of them have been put in place.
But then there's a cultural level of People need to not be afraid when it comes to what is a woman.
They need to not be afraid to say what they know is true, which is that we all know what a woman is, we all know that it's wrong to do this to kids, and we all know it, so let's all live as though we know it.
Let's have a kind of culture that is totally intolerant of that kind of madness.
And I think we're starting to see that change culturally on the gender stuff.
I think it needs to happen on the race stuff, too.
Even if we make all the political changes that we need to make, we still have a problem if you have white people walking around feeling Burdened by guilt for things they didn't do that nothing to do with them It's just totally misplaced ambiguous kind of guilt that they but a lot of these people just carry around And and we have to get rid of that.
It's like it's actually kind of a freeing message It's not that we're not saying that we all should be we all You know have things we've done that are wrong And so if you feel guilt there might be other things you've actually done in your life you need to explore but You don't carry any sins around because of what people of your race did or didn't do 100 years ago or 200 years ago.
So, one of the arguments that I've heard on the right, I'm sure you've heard it also, is that we've hit Peak Woke, that we're actually on the other side of Woke Mountain and that it's all downhill from here.
After spending this much time in Wokeland, what is your takeaway?
And if I were to say yes, it would be because it does seem like the culture is a little bit less tolerant of some of the crazier woke ideas than they were even three years ago.
Like, for example, when we did What Is Woman, we did the man on the street interviews, we walked, and this was, we were filming it three years ago.
We went to many different cities and we just talked to normal people walking around and asked them basic questions about gender.
What is a woman?
Is it okay for boys to go into the girls' room?
That kind of stuff.
And we found that the vast majority of people that we talked to, no matter where we went in the country, either didn't want to talk about it, were terrified to talk about it on camera, or gave answers that we could tell they didn't really believe.
I think that if we went around and did man-on-the-street interviews now, in the same exact places, asking the same questions, I think we would get different answers.
I think we'd find a lot more people that'd be willing to say, yeah, a woman is a female.
No, of course a boy can't go in the girls' room.
That's ridiculous.
I think that.
And some of it's anecdotal.
It's just a sort of feel.
It's a vibe I'm getting.
And I think that's probably the case with the race stuff too.
So that would be an argument that maybe we have reached peak woke.
The argument against that view, I guess, is just that this stuff is so deeply embedded that even if culturally, even if the average Joe on the street has woken up to a lot of this, we still have the institutions that run society.
And those are still as crazy far left wing as they've ever been.
And to change that is going to take, we're not lucky enough for that to be something we can change in a couple of years.
That's a generational struggle.
Something like reclaiming academia, that's decades of work to do that.
I mean, so when you, you know, look at the people who you're profiling here, some of them are just absolute grifters.
I mean, as you say, one of the things that happens in the film is you show the amounts of money that had to be paid in order to get these people in the room, and they are making absolute bank.
I mean, Robin DiAngelo is making a lot of money doing this grift.
So you understand why she's doing it.
She's doing it because it's a wonderfully lucrative grift.
The question is that, you know, you having now inhabited this character, yes, it's pretend, but also, you know, you actually have to try, I assume, to think about what it would be like to be that person in order to be that person.
Where do you think the attendees at Sarai Rao are coming from?
What would motivate a human being to shell out thousands of dollars to go listen to Robin DiAngelo, not to mock her or to expose her, but to actually take her seriously?
What is the mindset of a country that takes these people seriously?
I think for those individual people, I would like to think it's as simple as a virtue signal, and they're trying to impress their liberal friends or whatever.
And I'm sure there's some of that.
But you don't sit around the table and pay money to endure that just as a virtue signal.
I think you're there because at some fundamental level, you really believe it.
And so for those people, they are true believers.
And I think that on this issue in particular, if I were to psychoanalyze, I think a lot of it does come down to guilt, and people are carrying around a lot of guilt.
Everyone carries around guilt.
And part of the problem is that, in the past, we had a way of understanding the guilt that we all feel, and you understood it in a religious context.
You understood it as a spiritual problem.
And there was also a remedy, which changes from religion to religion, but every religion has, like, a remedy for the guilt.
Like, here's what you do with that.
The religion says to you, You feel guilty.
You should, because here are bad things that you're doing.
Here's what you do about that.
Here's what you do with that.
And as we become a secular society, we don't have that message anymore.
So people still have the guilt, though.
And so they're looking around, like, why do I feel this way?
What do I do with this?
How do I explain it?
And then you have the DEI grifters, the race grifters, that come in with an answer.
And their answer is, Well, it's because you're white, because it's all racial.
And by the way, here's what you can do to atone for that.
Now, for people who aren't white, it's still a similar thing, because another thing people can walk around feeling is, you know, you feel like you're not where you want to be in life.
You feel like you haven't progressed as much as you want.
You know, we all have, to a certain extent or another, like an inferiority complex.
And so the message from the race grifters, if you're in the non-white category is, yeah, well, you know, you feel that way because there's this conspiracy against you by these people over here.
And so we're going to give you a way to channel those feelings.
And so I think that's what's happening with a lot of these people.
Yeah, that's such a great point about, you know, the kind of Misinterpretation of guilt because as you say most mainstream religions will say that there are activities that human beings participate that we all sin That's just what we are that we both have an identity problem because we're sinful creatures or creatures capable of sin But but also because we said I mean just got a daily basis.
You're gonna make mistakes.
You're gonna break the rules You're gonna do things deliberately that you know violate the rules and that's that's a sin and then you have to address yourself with God and make yourself right with your fellow human being and God in order to alleviate all that and And secular leftism says there's no such thing as sin.
Sin doesn't actually exist.
So when it comes to your own personal activity, there's what the state says is wrong, which is not quite a sin.
It's just kind of what the state says is wrong.
But there's no reason for you to ever feel guilty about the things that you do.
There's only, but that guilt has to go somewhere.
So maybe you should feel guilty about the thing that you are, but not how you identify yourself.
How about the things that are immutable?
So we moved from you feeling guilty about the things that are mutable about you, namely your actions, your attitudes toward the world, the things that you do in the world, to guilt about the things that are immutable about you, your race, your sex.
the things you were born with, right?
All of that's the stuff that you, and I guess that's a good way of avoiding the guilt
because as soon as you declare that you're guilty for having done that,
there's literally nothing more you can do.
There's no actual corrective action you can take to fix immutable guilt.
Immutable guilt is upon you.
And so the minute you acknowledge it, it's now been expiated.
And there's a certain amount of pride because in a religious context,
yes, it's about pointing you towards, yes, there are sins you're committing,
you shouldn't commit them, but there isn't, or at least there shouldn't be any pride
in the religious person of like recognizing that something is a sin.
Um, bye.
But over here, there's a certain pride for the white person who says, oh yeah, I'm guilty of being white.
The moment they acknowledge that, then they take this almost weird, sick pride in the fact that they realize how terrible they are.
And they get to feel... Now, they'll say all the time that they're not better than anybody else, but they clearly feel like they're better than the average white person for having recognized this about themselves.
First you take out the transing of the kids' industry, and now you're taking out the DEI industry, just single-handedly destroying the American economy.
It's just causing a new Great Depression.
Unbelievable, this guy.
That's the hope.
So, alright, give me your quick five-second, well, not five seconds, but give me your quick TED Talk spiel.
Well, look, what I discovered with being a DEI trainer myself is that, you know, you're not saying anything, you just have to have certain buzzwords you have to know, and you just have to keep coming back to those buzzwords.
A big one is decolonize yourself, decolonize your whiteness.
I still don't know what that—honest to God, I'm not just saying I don't know what that means.
After producing this film for a year and a half and hearing it a million times, I don't know what it means.
I don't.
But it doesn't matter.
That's the great thing about it.
Just say it.
All you have to do is say it to someone.
You have to decolonize your whiteness.
If you look serious while you say it, that's it.
They're not going to ask you, you know, what do you mean by that?
Because the other thing we discovered is that the people you're talking to, they don't want to admit that they don't know what you're saying, because they feel like they should know these terms.
That's one of the tools of the woke trade here, is that they use these totally made-up terms, and they throw them into conversation, and they know the people listening aren't going to want to ask, like, what does that mean?
Because if you ask that question, it means that you've already exposed yourself as not part of the club.
So everybody just sits there, and they listen, and they nod along.
So decolonize yourself is a big one.
Whiteness is a big one.
Journey.
We're always going on a journey.
We're always on a journey somewhere.
It's not about the destination.
It's just you're on the journey.
And you just kind of circle around those themes over and over and over again.