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June 30, 2024 - The Ben Shapiro Show
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How the Church Can Solve the Foster Care Crisis | Bishop W. C. Martin
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And my question is to a lot of people, how do a child know what love is when no one ever taught them love?
How do a person, a child, know what a mother and a father is when they don't understand because they've never been taught?
We got to reach and get them, teach them, show them, demonstrate it, and let them be a part of our family because this is what God is calling for the church to do.
Bishop W.C.
Martin is an American pastor, author, adoption advocate, and the inspiration for the upcoming Angel Studios and Daily Wire Plus film, The Sound of Hope.
As the pastor of Bennett Chapel Missionary Baptist Church in Possum Trot, Texas, Bishop Martin and his wife Donna adopted four children and ultimately persuaded their entire community to do the same.
Ultimately, under Bishop Martin's spiritual leadership, one small Texas town adopted 77 children.
Out of the foster care system and into loving families.
Today, Martin leads the Church to Child movement as the founder of Saving a Generation Ministry, preaching across the nation to move families to consider adoption.
He also serves as a national ambassador for the Global Orphan Project, which works to administer care to local children and equip orphans for adulthood.
In today's episode, Bishop Martin and I discuss the problems within the current foster care system and the role of the church in successful adoption stories.
Bishop Martin also shares personal anecdotes about raising his adopted children and a few behind-the-scenes moments from the making of the movie.
Don't miss this heartening conversation about family and faith with Bishop W.C.
Martin, the real-life inspiration for the upcoming Angel Studios and DailyWirePlus film The Sound of Hope.
Welcome back to another episode of the Sunday Special.
Fisher Martin, thank you so much for taking the time.
Really appreciate it.
It's a blessing to be here.
So let's talk about your story.
Obviously, it's an unbelievable story now in the movie Sound of Hope, but let's start at the very beginning.
What was your upbringing like?
Well, it was my wife started this, you know, because after the death of her mother and all of that, she wanted to do, she said that the Lord spoke with her and told her to give back.
Uh, to a child that doesn't have what her mother gave them.
And it was kind of hard convincing me in the beginning, but after I saw that she wasn't going to give up, I decided that it was been at my best interest, you know, to go ahead on and follow suit with what she wanted to do.
And once we got in, I mean, my whole life changed because I did not know that all this was going on.
For me to see life, the beauty of life, and to look at what I have witnessed in the eyes and the mind and how the abuse and the neglect and the turmoil that have happened.
If anybody have any love of God in their heart at all, This will definitely do something to you, inwardly.
This will open you up to the point to understand.
My life wasn't like that.
I mean, I got nine brothers and one sister and came up dirt poor, that if you didn't kill it, you didn't eat it.
If you didn't raise it, you didn't eat it.
But at least I had food to eat.
But to see a child in this United States, Hungry.
I really believe that God got an indictment against many of us that we have not done due benevolence when it came to the children.
It really tore me down.
And when it did, it made me aware That if this is happening in our little area, just to think what's going on in this whole world.
And that we are allowing this thing to keep on going, keep on going, keep on going.
Because the foster and adoptive system is swelling every day.
More and more and more children going in, more and more children being abused and being neglected.
and that it's got to be something.
And I'm going to be honest with you, this is not a state problem.
This is not the president problem.
This is not Congress problem.
This is the church responsibility to make the difference in the life of a child.
So Bishop, it's one thing to look at a problem, then it's another thing to do something unbelievable
like what you and your community have done.
So, can you talk about how you came to that decision?
You mentioned it with your wife, essentially taking a foster child into your home.
You had kids of your own already.
That obviously is a massive decision.
I have four kids of my own.
The idea of bringing in a child into the dynamic that I have with my kids, the amount of attention, the amount of love and care Here's the sad part.
have to lavish on somebody who's already had such damage done to them. The dynamic of the
family that's so changed. Can you talk about all of that?
Here's the sad part. My biological son was born with severe brain damage. Now, if you
think about it, why would you bring in other problems when you already got a boatload right
there in their own home of what you already got?
But you know, sometimes I think we have to look beyond ourselves and look beyond where we are and to reach out into this world.
It's more or less like what Jesus did for us and the suffering that he went through for us that we may have a better life and a greater life.
The trauma of bringing a child in your home.
It's not an easy task.
It's not, and you don't get these gerbil babies.
You don't get those that don't have no problem.
All that, if you are in the system, they got some problem.
They got some trauma, lying, stealing.
I mean, every conceivable thing you can, they can do it.
That age doesn't matter because they have given me a PhD in child psychology
because we had to deal with so many different issues that they are having that was going on in the line.
But you know, I look at this thing like this.
Many times, Lord, why would you come into a place like Possum Trot?
To show this country something.
And I think that the answer is, is that God said, I'm coming to the least because I'm bringing the least in.
And I'm coming to those don't have no ulterior motive, but to show love and compassion and wisdom and knowledge and allow them to have the freedom to have a mother and a father.
Because if you ever come to Plasma Tribe, which I wish you would come, You will see ain't nothing out there but just woods.
That's all you see.
Trees and thickets.
That's all out there.
Nothing else out there.
But you know, it's not where you are.
It's what you're doing where you are.
And I thank God today that he has given us a purpose in life that we can show this world that if I can do it in Possum Tribe, you can do it anywhere in this country.
So Bishop, maybe you can talk a little bit about the kids that you adopted.
What sort of issues did they have?
What was it like on a personal level bringing them into your home?
Well, it was difficult.
Very difficult.
It was very hard.
It wasn't easy at all.
I had to, you know, almost be a policeman in my own household.
My first adopted son, he went in the bathroom one day and he gone He was going to burn up the garbage, but he lit the fire right there in the bathroom.
And I just happened to walk down the hallway and saw my bathroom on fire.
And lo and behold, it didn't burn the house down because I caught it in time.
My first adopted daughter, she was still like you wouldn't believe.
And I think that what it was, they had been hungry, and she had to feed her little brother, so she had to steal food downstairs, and she developed this habit of stealing.
But the thing of it is, I don't fault her.
I don't look at her.
It wasn't her problem.
This was like opposed upon her, that she didn't deserve that.
But it was imposed upon her that this would happen.
But she learned, and when we first got both of them, My wife showed her to the cabinet and showed her, look at the food we got.
Open the icebox, look at the food we got.
We ain't already heard about that she was a very good thief, that she could really steal and make you believe it because she was so cute and she could look in your eyes and make you believe it, that she was not guilty.
And all the time, that little girl was guilty as I don't know what.
Because she did steal that stuff.
And the way I found out about it, I told my wife, I said, something in this room just ain't right.
And where they were sleeping, some of these rooms, I don't feel, I just know something ain't right.
So I went in there one morning after they went to school and I turned that room upside down, looked under the bed, there was a backpack.
Full of old food that she had just hoarded and put in that backpack.
Because she figured that if she ever get kicked out, she wouldn't have food to eat in that backpack.
Because after all, her and her little brother was in nine homes in one year.
And those children really went through hell.
I mean, they went through total hell.
I look at some of the trauma that they go through, and I'm wondering how would we fit in a category of going through so much hardship and so much trauma, not knowing where you're going to get your next meal in.
And a child that goes through some stuff like that, man, it's got to be criminal for any child to experience a life like that.
So, obviously, this story started with you and your wife, but then it expanded dramatically in your community.
Can you talk about how that happened?
Did people look at what you were doing and they just wanted to copy you?
Or did you start preaching about it?
What exactly happened to turn your community into, effectively speaking, the adoption capital of the United States?
When we got our first two, there was one boy, a little boy that came in before, we were the second one to get.
The first little boy that came in, my wife's sister got him, and his name was Nino.
And Nino came in, and then a month or two later, we ended up getting Tyler and Mercedes.
And when we got Tyler and Mercedes, then we carried them to the church, and everybody was, the members started saying, how did y'all do that?
What y'all doing?
How you do?
So, they said, we would like to do this.
But we can't, we had to drive 120 miles round trip to take in Texas what they call pride classes.
And we did that, and we had to take like about 16 weeks of it.
You go to class every week, and they teach you how to deal with hard, with children.
So after we did that, we got a little boy and a little girl, and getting them, members start saying, we would like to do that, but we can't drive no 120 miles to take no classes.
So, I went to the state and asked them, would they be willing to teach classes in our church?
And the lady told me, she said, well, if you can get me eight families, I'd be willing to teach a class.
But when I done, I found out that adoption was not a man-made thing.
It was a God thing.
Moses was an adopted child.
Esther was an adopted child.
Jesus, a lot of folk don't believe, but Jesus was an adopted child because Joseph was not his biological father.
The Bible said that the Holy Ghost told Joseph, Don't be afraid to take Mary as your lawful wedded wife.
That she is caring is holy.
So I looked up and then looked in Ephesians and found out that all believers Who believe in God has been adopted.
So it wasn't a man-made thing.
It was a God thing.
He started this because he knew that we was going to need a way back to God.
So God himself created adoption.
So I just started preaching about it and telling them, and I mean, I started preaching like a crazy man up there about adoption and letting people know the beauty of it.
And how God adopted us and brought us back into a loving family, into His royal family.
And the church caught it, and they caught on.
And when I went back to the state, they asked for eight families.
The first time, I gave them 13 families who was willing to adopt.
The second time, I gave them the rest, which made up 23 families that adopted, and we ended up with 77 children in a small church.
Very small, but out in the woods.
And it don't, if people look and do the math, it don't add up.
It just don't add up.
How on earth could a little church out in the bushes, out in the boondock, out in nowhere, make a move like that?
Well, I tell you, if God is for us, who can be against us?
If God said we can do it, we did it.
Without, and it was not easy, and I'm not gonna sit here and tell anyone this was a easy road to home.
No, it wasn't.
It was hard to home.
But if you stay in the process, if you just stay with it and stay with God.
He's gonna make it right, and he's gonna bring you through it.
So today, we don't have anymore in the community that I know of, because some got their own homes now, and some of them in college have gone on and made careers out of what they've done, and realized that they are somebody now.
They got an identity, and this is what we need to do.
We address ourselves with God, and He's looking at us as being His children.
So God want us to do the same thing, to reach out and bring these children out of this system and to teach them and to show them.
And my question is to a lot of people, how do a child know what love is when no one never taught them love?
How do a person, a child know what a mother and a father is when they don't understand because they've never been taught?
We got to reach and get them, teach them, show them, demonstrate it.
And let them be a part of our family, because this is what God is calling for the church to do.
We'll get to more with Bishop Martin in just one moment.
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Well, you must have an extraordinary community.
Can you talk about the families in your community?
Because obviously you're talking about the fact that it's not a rich community, it's not a prominent community, but it must be an unbelievably special community to have so many parents who are willing to open their homes like that and to hear what you're talking about in terms of biblical morality and then change their lives so radically.
Well, the community is a very, very poor community.
Very, very poor.
But instead of looking at what we did not have, We looked at what we had, and I believe to my soul, and I saw this work, it looked like every time our back got against the wall, God made a way for us.
It looked like to me that, and I was one to start this, so whenever there was a problem, even in the schools, They had problems even in the school, and I had to kind of visit all the schools that put fires out all over Shelby County because the kids were disrupted.
They were doing stuff and their parents couldn't do it, but I had to go in and make a difference in the lives of children.
The community itself rallied around everybody.
If we called in the people from Children Protective Services, they were like about 60 miles each way from us.
So we had to develop our own wraparound support group, our own wraparound.
We'd done that, and when there was a problem came up, we got together in the church, and we worked it out.
And we supported one another.
We helped one another.
We shared one another's burden.
If there was a parent who was really going through, We, my wife and I, went and picked that child up and brought him in our home and gave the parents a break.
I don't believe that no one be willing to do anything like that today when you already got problems in your home, that you got your adopted children, then I got my son, my biological son, with the problems he's got.
I don't believe for one to do anything like that.
But you know what?
I'm just crazy enough to believe that if we step out in faith, and show the love of God and demonstrate that God will never leave us by ourselves.
I'm just crazy enough to believe that we will have the victory in the name of Jesus.
So, Bishop, what was it like finding out that a major studio like Angel was going to be making a movie about you, about your community?
It almost turned my hair black again.
I mean, because I never... Look, we in Possum Tribe.
What do you expect?
A couple and an angel?
And the people that involved Josh and Rebecca and Joe Canetti that got involved in this and worked tireless hours?
I mean, no, we didn't have a clue.
In fact, to be honest with you, we never did get in this in the beginning for no publicity.
We were just doing what we thought people would do.
So to find out where all the struggles and all the things, and then here it is, 10 years since we started in the movie business, that they started working on our stuff.
Josh and Rebecca started 10 years ago, and here we are.
In 2024, God done showed up and letting this country know, y'all get ready, because something is gonna hit this country that's gonna just turn this whole place around, because there's so much good stuff inside that movie that's gonna teach people, even getting along with one another, helping us, and even removing racism and all of this different stuff, all of that is involved in the movie, and how we ought to care for the most vulnerable, Just like Jesus cared for us and showing us His greatness every day of our life.
I'm here today because of His grace.
I'm here today because of His mercy.
You are here today because, and everyone else is here, because God's grace and mercy have kept us through all of our heartaches and sins, and we're still heartaches, just like the children.
So, what do we say?
Open up your door and say, come on in.
So, are there any memorable moments during the filming or during this entire, you said, decade-long production process that stand out to you?
There are a couple of things in this movie.
We don't call it a movie, we call it a movement of God.
During the time that the bishop called everybody, they was going through so much, and we've been through that, and he called everybody to come and stand around the cross.
And I always figured that.
We sing our songs that it was at the cross, at the cross.
When I first saw the light, and the burdens of my heart would roll away, it was there by faith I received my sight, and now I'm happy all day.
We sing this song a lot of times, but I'm gonna tell you something about standing around that cross, where Jesus died, makes a big difference.
When he called everybody to the cross, and began to pray, and began to seek God for the strength of the peoples who are really going through, because there was at a point, All of us one time had thought about giving up, but when we got together and prayed, and had prayer, and prayed for one another, because prayer still works, and when we did that, that was one beautiful scene to me that turned this whole thing around.
And then when we looked at the end, Where all of the families, the real families, got together and had a party.
To me, that was it all.
Because what that did, that demonstrated all of the trouble, all of the pain, all of the heartache, and at the end of the road, there's sunshine.
Everybody coming together and just enjoying themselves and eating and rejoicing and thanking God for what He's done for us.
And even the children, they are grown.
They got their own children now.
They bringing them out and just letting everybody see that, hey, look, I'm grown.
I got children.
And look, I got my parents still with me.
And I'm here to thank God.
It was one of the most beautiful times that we ever got together and had in this whole movement.
Let's talk about what happened to all those kids.
So, when it comes to the number of children in foster care, we've got hundreds of thousands of kids in foster care.
Their prospects are really, really dim in foster care.
The possibility that they're going to go on, have successful, healthy lives.
But, you know, giving them a chance at life is something your community did in a way that no other community I've ever heard of has.
What was the impact on those kids?
It was so great because they now know They have an identity.
You know, there was something so strange about the children that we adopted.
They did not see themselves as adopted children.
They saw themselves as children in their family.
That's their family.
They've been there all along.
And perhaps in the spirit, they have been there all along.
But it meant so much to them to be able to look at and say, I got a mother and I got a father.
And they have taught me what life is really all about.
This is the beauty of what Jesus showed us.
I mean, He showed us that in Him, we have life.
And that's the way these children feel.
They feel like that now, you know, my mom and daddy, I got them.
They're going to look out for me.
They're going to take care of me.
And I got the grandchildren.
And it's just a beautiful thing.
Even some of the parents that are adopted, they're going on home to be with the Lord, but the children still are there.
And they come back home, and they come and recognize, and still believe, and still say, if it had not been for them, we don't know where we'd be.
We did a screening in Dallas, Texas, here a few weeks ago, and one of the adopted children was there.
And it was so amazing.
And she walked up to me with tears in her eyes.
And she told me, she said, Bishop Martin, I want to thank you for saving my life.
She got in college and she got a bachelor's degree.
in trauma therapy to teach other children that they can make it.
She's on her way right now to get her master's degree to know and let them know.
She said, I want to be able to stand.
I'm going to get an office.
I'm coming back to the community and I want to share my gift with those who are going through just like me.
See, this is the testimony.
That's what happened when we reached out.
To be honest with you, we don't know what's locked in that system.
We got preachers and teachers and we got psychiatrists and we got, I mean, we got everything locked in the system, but it will never come out until we reach in and bring them out.
I'm a pastor.
I'm a preacher.
I never would have known that if the Lord hadn't reached down and got me out of my mess, what I was in, and I was a bad little boy.
I mean, if you tell me, if you bet me, I'm gonna do it.
Whether my mama got on my behind or not, I'm gonna do it because that's the way I was built.
So, I got that attitude right now that nothing on this earth can stop me from doing what I'm doing.
And I don't let nothing stop me.
I'm crazy enough to believe that if I go, if God tell me to go through that door, I can go through it.
I'm just not crazy enough to believe that.
So, the children that we have now, they see the beauty.
They see that they got a home.
They see they got a father.
They see they got a mother.
And they see that they are being loved and cared for.
Because no child, this is not the will of God, that no child Be locked in a system.
And I want to add this.
If the church does not rise up, And fix this problem.
God got an indictment against all of us.
So I encourage 400,000 children out there.
We got way more churches on every corner, and there should not be a child.
Churches ought to be waiting on children instead of children waiting on a pimp.
We need to reverse the action.
So I'm really praying and seeking God.
How can we help this?
And I really believe that this movement, The Sound of Hope, The Possum Trot Story, is going to cause hundreds and thousands of children to find a lovely home, to know that there was not God's will in the beginning.
It was just a neglect and oversight on the lives of people.
So, Bishop, obviously very few people have dealt with the foster system the way that you've dealt with the foster system.
For those like me who don't know much about the foster system and how it actually operates, what are the biggest problems with the way that the foster system is currently operating?
I think that the state needs to re-examine what they did.
And the way things were set up 40 years ago, it's not going to work today.
We're in a different time, in a different season, in a different era.
You're going to have to change with time.
And if you're using the same rules and the same thing that happened with my great-great-grandmama and all that kind of stuff, that is not going to work.
So there needs to be a change.
They need to redo the rules.
And I know good and well that they don't want to see children come out hurt, And then find going into more.
I understand that.
And it should not be.
I think parents should be streamlined.
I think that they should have a good record.
I think that they should have the type of mindset that if I bring this child in my home, it is my responsibility to raise that child and love that child and to help that child through life.
But if you don't, if you make it hard, If the state make it hard, people are going to walk around and say, look, I can't deal with making this hard.
That's why I thank God for the caseworker that we had.
She was one of them kind of caseworkers that she called right, right, and wrong, wrong.
Just because a child walked up and told her, look, I want to be moved.
Her name was Susan Ramlin.
I want to be moved out of this home.
And she knew that the parents was a good parent.
She'll tell him, said, look, you need to go somewhere and sit down and start obeying.
She didn't just buy into that.
And we had one who just bought into all of that.
You can't do it like that, because these children do lie, and they do a good job of it, and they'll make you believe what they are saying.
The foster system needs to be revamped and needs to be revived, where people are able, good folks, good families, Christian homes, can be able to get these children out.
If the state want the children out, then don't make it so difficult that people want to give up before they even get started.
That's a bad sign.
So I think that for the most part that, and the way they did us, we had to foster six months before we was able to adopt.
And after that six months, we moved into the area of adoption, and they didn't waste no time.
They went right on and got us in the court and got that thing done and over with, because it was no sense.
I think the state did a good job in Texas in doing that.
And they didn't make it so hard.
They kind of made it easy.
They done tightened up a whole lot now.
I don't know if they got children coming back in the system, but we didn't let any of them go.
We held them children.
We was not going to let them go.
And we held on to them.
When we got Mercedes and Tyler, the first thing my wife told him, said, look, I know you've been in nine homes in one year, but I'm gonna let you know right now, this, the last train to Georgia, you will not be leaving out of this house.
But you know, I look at this thing from a different way.
And my thing is this.
Let's change this thing.
Let's change it up.
We can't continue to do it the way it's been done because it's wrong.
We've got to fix this problem.
And the way we fix the problem is to get involved.
Everybody cannot adopt.
Everybody can't foster.
But everybody can be part of and help this process.
If you can't do nothing, just pick them up and take them out and buy them some french fries, anything.
Let's do this thing because we are able and qualified to do it because God said so.
More with Bishop Martin in a moment.
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You know, Bishop, one of the things that comes through so clearly, not only when you're talking, but also in the movie, is that, you know, it's very easy for people in society to say things like, well, let's just go do some good.
Let's just be nice.
But without an orientation toward God, this stuff just doesn't happen.
Until you have a community that's oriented toward fulfilling God's will, you can tell people to be as nice as you want, tell people to be as giving as you want to tell them to be, but people are very unlikely to take that step unless they believe firmly in a higher power that believes in them and has given them the ability to do something.
You are so right on that.
Because see, what is the deal?
Believing God changed the dynamic of your whole life.
Believing God will let you know who you are, what you are qualified to do.
The Bible said that God called us out of darkness into the marvelous light.
And if God called us out of darkness into the marvelous light, He got purpose.
Everybody that God calls has purpose.
You may not be a preacher, you may not be a teacher, you may not be this deacon or whatever, elder, whatever, but God got a purpose.
We got a young lady in our church She loved keeping the church clean.
She loved doing it.
And she goes down there and spend hours in that church, just cleaning and wiping and all that kind of stuff.
She loved doing that.
Because why?
That's her purpose.
That's what she designed to do.
The purpose of God and everything, the Bible said everything that God done was good.
And in the good, there was purpose developed in that good.
And when I was raised up, you know, little barefoot boy, you know, and getting into everything and stealing watermelons and all of that kind of stuff out of people's garden, you know, cause I paid the price for it dearly.
But the thing of it is, I never dreamed That here I am, a 77-year-old man, in a place that I am right now.
And where I am right now, I love it.
I thank God for it.
I wouldn't trade.
I thank God so much from the depths of my heart that He opened the doors up.
I don't have to open my own door when I trust God.
You see, that's the beauty of trusting God.
He's the one that makes the way.
He's the one that opens the way.
He's the one that does everything.
So when you got people, and when you are preaching and demonstrating the power and the love of God in the life of people, and that they begin to catch that vision, They would know then I can do all things through Christ Jesus that strengthens me.
Ain't no shame in it.
It's just something that you do.
I mean, look, we got the power to do this.
We got the power to do this.
We all are somebody in Christ's name.
The Bible says that he called the sun to shine on the just as well as the unjust.
So let's get together.
Let's fix this problem.
Let's empty this system out.
Let's open up our hearts, our mind, and our home and say, I don't care what's there.
I'm going to go out here and do the will of God.
And I guarantee you, when you do it, you're going to see the movement of God in your life like never before.
It's easy for us to look at the one that we got.
But don't you know that we ought to be Christ-like?
He went all out of his way for somebody else, and that's the same thing we ought to be doing today.
Bishop, one of the extraordinary things about what you've done and the movie and everything else is that we live in a time in America where there's so much focus on, say, race and divisions based on race.
What you've talked about this entire time is just about doing God's good, doing the virtuous and the right thing because God said to do that.
And that's race-blind.
That has nothing to do with race.
And so it really is in God that we're able to We're able to move beyond race and move above race.
And you know, I don't know why.
And this is, you know, to be honest with you, racism is so demonic because that's the way the enemy does.
He's there to divide.
God's there to bring us together.
So I don't understand why is it that an individual We're just like another individual because his hair is not right or not the same color or nothing.
All this stuff is man-made, but he is the kicker.
Jesus died for the sin and for the ungodliness.
And he died that we may have a right to the tree of life.
And what did John 3 say?
For God so loved the world, He gave His only begotten Son.
So how we think that we gonna get back to God with hatred and malice in our heart?
It just ain't gonna happen.
Jesus want us to love one another.
That's what he died for, to show us that we ought to love each other, help each other.
And it ain't about who you are or what you got.
It's about all about love.
And he demonstrated to them.
So I don't understand why this is such a problem.
And I will say this in the White House, to the outhouse, to any other house, Jesus died for love.
And you're not gonna get to heaven until you start loving your brothers and your sisters and knowing that they got purpose in their life.
It may not be the same as yours, but they got purpose in their life, regardless of what color they are.
I mean, God, it was His purpose.
That we moved to adopt all these children.
That was God's purpose.
We wouldn't have known then, but the only thing we've done was just went on with the process and let God be God.
And this is what this country needs to do.
They need a wake-up call.
First of all, you can't do this until you get some of this mess out of your heart.
And this is what God does.
He comes in there.
Paul said, God circumcised the heart.
In other words, He cut all of this stuff away.
And give us a new heart.
He moved a stony heart and give us a heart of love.
That's what he does.
And until we get to that point and reach that point in our life, said, look, I don't care what color he is.
He can be in blue, Montana, Halifax, it don't matter.
That's still, those are still my brothers and my sister.
It is not for me to judge anyone.
Cause he deserved the right to the judge.
He is the righteous judge.
So it's not for me to judge who I can't do that.
But all I know one thing that one day we got to stand before God and we got to give an account Of not doing what the Lord said do.
Well, Bishop, it's an unbelievable story.
Thank you for what you're doing for the world.
The movie is terrific, obviously.
I've seen it, can't wait for it to hit theaters, so millions of people across the country can see it, engage, make the world a better place.
Bishop, thanks again for the time.
Thanks so much for what you're doing.
God bless you, and we're praying that this movie will reach the hearts of many and bring hundreds and thousands of children and give them a right to live the same thing that God wants them to have.
God bless you.
Are you sure these people want us?
I know they do.
You can call me Mama.
Oh, Lord.
No!
No, no, no!
If we can't wrap our arms around the most vulnerable, then what do we have?
Noise!
And the children can't take the noise anymore.
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