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Presidente Jair Bolsonaro | The Ben Shapiro Show Sunday Special Ep. 132 [Português]
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They are captured by the party and are allied to it.
And here in Brazil they play hard too.
And the ideology of gender is known here.
Where there are children, there are not few, 7, 8, 9, 10 years old.
Boys don't know if they are girls or boys and vice versa.
They are girls or boys, or the opposite.
It's a terrible thing here in Brazilian education.
It's terrible.
Our guest, Jair Bolsonaro, is the current president of Brazil.
He's up for re-election at the end of this month.
The presidency of Brazil has been turbulent for nearly all of its modern history.
For 20 years, the 60s through the 80s, Brazil was run by military dictatorship following the coup against a socialist president.
More recently, President Dilma Rousseff was impeached after the country was driven into economic crisis in 2014.
Brazil's government has long been filled with corruption, too.
The current election pits former President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, Lula, who actually served time in jail for corruption, against Bolsonaro, who has targeted corruption in allegedly controversial ways.
Bolsonaro has also taken militantly conservative stances on issues ranging from killing government programs to opening up gun availability for law-abiding citizens, from harsher treatment of criminals to opening up more economic development in areas prized by environmentalists.
Bolsonaro has been slandered as a fascist, a dictator, or an authoritarian by many in the media, but his agenda of a more assertive force to cut crime and promote traditional family values has made him hugely popular with Brazilians.
He won in 2018 with 55% of the vote.
This time around, he bucked the odds to survive a first-round face-off with Lula, dramatically outperforming the early polls.
Many countries that make up South America face political corruption and destructive progressive policies.
We see that in Venezuela, Argentina, Chile.
In today's episode, we discuss if Brazil's momentum away from big government could lead a way forward for many other countries in South America.
Plus, we discuss Bolsonaro's experience dealing with the Trump administration compared with the Biden administration, his COVID policies, his political opponent Lula, and the significance of the upcoming Brazilian election.
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President Jair Bolsonaro, thanks so much for joining the show.
Really appreciate it.
So why don't we begin with how wrong the polls were in your original first round election matchup with Lula.
The polls were off by a significant percentage.
He was widely expected by the pollsters to run away with the first round.
There would be no second round if he had done so.
Instead, the polls ended up being incredibly close and going into the runoff election, it looks as though you are in a dead heat.
So what do you attribute the fact that the polls were so dramatically wrong the first time around?
The same thing happened in 2018.
The polls are bought and they have the power to influence the vote.
I believe that 3 to 4% of the population tends to vote for the candidate that is winning.
This happened in Brazil.
Let's talk about your opponent.
We'll start with him as opposed to starting with you.
We'll get to your record in just one second.
For those who don't know, in the United States, what is at stake in this election in Brazil?
Can you spell out for people what is the election between?
Who is Lula?
Why is it important that he be prevented from regaining office?
And perhaps you can tell the story of how he ended up running for office after being in jail not so long ago.
First of all, I see the concern of the United States with Venezuela.
I've already told the American government that Brazil is much bigger than Venezuela.
And we can't enter this group of Venezuela, which has now also entered Argentina, Chile, Colombia, and is already in Nicaragua.
Brazil is the most important country in South America.
Sucumbi, South America is over.
Who is Lula?
He's a corrupt.
And he left a huge trail of corruption in Brazil.
In the pension funds alone, the left-over of Rombo is 45 billion reais, around 9 billion dollars.
In Petrobras as a whole, the table's indebtedness in the PT period, Lula and Dilma, the indebtedness reached the house of 170 billion dollars.
This is deviations, overbought purchases, other purchases made and not reached, works begun and not completed, In other words, this is a small portrait of what the PT's government was like here in Brazil.
They have a lot of money, a lot of money outside of Brazil.
You can see it in their negotiations with pension funds, even.
And they have this enormous economic power that they put at the service of Lula's candidacy.
And they are also a machine of lies, fake news.
Lula himself revealed a few days ago that politicians in Brazil have to lie.
Because lies fly and the truth gets caught.
So to get to power, everything is worth it.
Until you change, from the inside out at least, old positions of the party, such as abortion, gender ideology and family.
So, his reelection has to be avoided.
With the weapons of democracy, which are more difficult to fight with, but we're playing, as I call it here, within the four lines of our Constitution.
And they accuse me of what they were, or what they intend to be.
They accuse me of being a dictator, of being homophobic, of being racist.
I don't like black people.
I'm against everything that happens in front of me, besides slander.
I've been accused of being a cannibal, of being a fascist, of being a pedophile.
Anything, everything is worth it for them to attack me.
I repeat, they did something similar in 2018.
We won and now we're doing it with much more strength in 2022.
Look, I've been questioning elections for a long time.
Obviously Lula had been barred from office, he was in jail, and then his conviction was overturned.
Why was it overturned?
And you've also expressed some doubt in the past about the electoral process in Brazil and how honest it is.
Do you have faith that the current election, as close as it's going to be, will be honestly carried out?
I've questioned the elections for a long time.
Our electoral system is not the same in any country in the world that has a reasonable economy.
We have news that two small other countries that use our system here.
In addition to Venezuela itself.
And this questioning comes in a crescent with more people also doubting.
And we fought for a long time for a transparent electoral model.
We didn't have the strength for that.
We have some elections ahead of us.
What brings us a certain confidence is that the armed forces were invited to join an electoral transparency commission.
And they have played an active and very good role in this regard.
However, they tell me that it is impossible to give a seal of credibility, still considering the many vulnerabilities that the system presents.
And the Supreme Electoral Court, here in Brazil, of its seven members, three are from the Supreme Federal Court, which are people appointed back there, Political parties.
So, going back to that question of yours, first Lula was arrested, convicted, serving a prison sentence, and then a group of the Supreme Federal Court, or rather, the Supreme Federal Court as a whole, decided to reinterpret what we call prison in the second instance.
In Brazil there are four instances.
And it was defined by the Supreme Court itself, whoever was sentenced in the second instance could continue to appeal, but would still be arrested.
The Supreme Court decided, for the most part, to say that he could only be arrested in the last instance.
Thus, Lula was set free.
But then, we had a law here, called the Clean Sheet Law, who could only run for any election, who was condemned at most in the first instance.
And Lula was condemned in the third instance.
He couldn't run for the elections.
So, a minister appointed by Lula, Mr. Edson Fachin, decided to find nullity in the corruption process, in which he had already been condemned in the third instance, and unanimously in all the instances.
He simply said that Lula should be judged in Brasília, and not as he was in Curitiba, a place where he was condemned.
And then he annulled the condemnations.
He didn't absolve Lula.
The process went back to the first instance.
Well, here the law of the clean sheet doesn't reach those who are being judged or condemned in the first instance.
That's how Lula da Silva got the right to contest the elections.
Obviously, by a casuism of the Supreme Minister, indicated by PT in the past.
We'll get to more with President Bolsonaro in just one moment first.
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So, I want to ask about Lula's campaign.
Lula obviously has a very far left past.
He's been campaigning as much more of a moderate this time around.
When he was actually in office, he seemed to govern slightly more moderately than he actually campaigned originally.
Do you think that he's lying about what he intends to do?
How much of a socialist is he?
Or is he mainly sort of a welfare state, American-style democrat?
They didn't count on the discovery Corruption is very big in your government, which was discovered by chance, which here in Brazil became known as Operation Lava Jato.
A lot of resources deviated.
A lot.
As I just said.
Pension fund, around 8, 9 billion dollars.
Petrobras, 170 billion dollars.
BNDS, something like 80 billion dollars.
Federal economic box, around 9 billion dollars.
The box is one thing, the pension fund of the box is another.
So, it exceeds the house of 500 billion dollars.
The deviation by the government, Lula in his management and Dilma Rousseff.
This was very strong in Brazil.
And it ended in 2016, in the middle of Dilma Rousseff's second term, the impeachment process, and as the vote here is open to these issues, it is not secret, in the end, Dilma was hunted.
And another case happened, right?
The hunted person in Brazil has been uneligible for 8 years.
The other minister of the Supreme Court, who led the process in the Federal Senate, made an agreement with the senators and made Dilma uneligible.
I gave a very forceful vote because of Dilma Rousseff's vote.
I already had a certain notoriety in Brazil and I became even more known.
Obviously, the press hit me a lot here, but I became even more known and I had already decided to run for the elections in 2018.
They tried to assassinate me on September 6th, they were unsuccessful.
Then the elections come in.
I believe I won in the first round, the 2018 elections.
We went to the second round.
It's a very complicated story and it would take a few dozen minutes to explain it, but I managed to run for office.
And I took over the government, setting up the ministry in a very different way from all the other presidents who preceded me.
They always set up their ministries accepting political parties' impositions so that there would be support within the parliament.
I set up a minister with a third of soldiers and the other two thirds of civilians, but they knew their responsibility and had the competence to do your job in front of the Ministry.
2019, the first year, was very difficult, because we didn't have a good relationship with the National Congress.
But we won, 2020 came, another very strong complicator that affected the whole world, the issue of COVID.
2021, we had other problems here, such as the lack of water never seen in Brazil.
1922, the war in Ukraine.
Along with that, inflation all over the world.
We took over the inflation, reducing fuel taxes.
We serve the most humble, with assistance.
Assistance, social benefit.
In the order of $120 to 21 million families.
All within what we call fiscal responsibility.
At the moment, we are in the third month with negative inflation, deflation.
The products here are obviously falling in price.
The labor market is doing very well.
We are in the house of 8%, a little above that.
Unemployment in Brazil is a good rate, taking into account previous governments.
The economy is doing very well.
We have also reduced taxes on other products, like a third of a product called, of a tax called IPI.
There are 4,000 products here and we are collecting more.
We have a ceiling to spend on, called the gas ceiling, and Brazil is doing very well.
We are a world power in food supply.
And also, our proposal, which is already beginning to come into force, Brazil will be a great exporter of clean energy, called green hydrogen, where only on the coast of the Northeast region, further north of Brazil, our potential is raised,
we will be able to produce clean energy, equivalent to 50 times what Itaipu Bi-National produces here in Brazil.
So Brazil has food, has energy, has biodiversity, has mineral wealth, has a fantastic climate, agricultural lands still Not being used.
We preserve two-thirds of our natural vegetation, which is in the same way as we were discovered in 1500.
Brazil has a huge way ahead to really move forward.
In the current year, we went from the 13th to the 10th economy in the world.
We are from the 13th to the 10th economy in the world, and we can, year after year, recover positions.
The whole world is well related to us, obviously because of our potential.
And Brazil is something that every country in the world wants to have a partnership with.
When we look at Brazil, the old joke about Brazil was that it was the country of the future and it always would be.
And a large part of that has been because of the regulations, the taxation, and the corruption in Brazil.
How have you taken on the issue of deregulating the economy?
What have you done with tax policy?
And most of all, how do you fight corruption in a state where, as you describe, multiple leaders have been indicted for corruption?
Some have served time in jail.
How do you fight corruption in a state that's been so endemically In almost four years, we haven't had corruption in Brazil.
And I've always said, if it appears, we help investigate.
Accusations appear, but they don't go forward because there was no public resource exit to any place.
Why did this happen?
Because we don't accept political parties' indications to integrate not only the government through ministries, but also state and official banks.
Each minister or president of a state or official bank is responsible for the indication of all their second steps.
I determine that they cannot give in to the pressure or suggestion of indicating people out of their knowledge.
BNDS, for example, which lent money to dictatorships in South America, doesn't lend anymore.
A former federal deputy who was found in his apartment with 10 million dollars.
And he was the director of the Federal Economic Box.
So certainly the resource came from there.
So we fight corruption in Brazil.
Corruption is no longer talked about in Brazil.
The political parties no longer press me for positions.
This has been pacified.
And when we put technical people in the ministry, they started working.
Only this month, I could say something that came from the Ministry of Mines and Energy.
We couldn't exploit lithium, for example, in a region of Minas Gerais, known as Vale do Jequitinhonha, due to internal problems of the government itself.
We overcame this.
We're ready, we're in a condition to explore lithium in Minas Gerais.
The issue of offshore wind turbines, as I said a little while ago, is also already regulated.
In the current month, we are reactivating the construction of our third nuclear power plant, called ANGRA 3.
Also in the state of Ceará, a decision made this month, by decree of myself and the Ministry, we're going to explore uranium in the state of Ceará, a region known as Santa Quitéria.
And I could mention dozens of things that are in progress because of the actions of the government.
When you talk about a more sluggish state, There were thousands of regulatory norms that hindered the entrepreneur.
We put an end point in 90% of these norms.
of these rules.
We also created a law in 2019, my first year in office, known here as the Law of Economic Freedom.
You can see, at the end of the Lula government, in 2010, it took you four months on average to open a company in Brazil.
and everything.
In my government, it takes one day.
Today, we are also the 7th most digitized country in the world.
the 7th most digitized country in the world.
All of this stimulated entrepreneurship, the opening of new companies, the free market.
We didn't open public contests, as it was very common in the past, where the public machine was swollen.
I opened contests only for what was necessary, such as Federal Police and Federal Highway Police.
We understand this, the market understands, with a great administrative reform, by digitizing the government, and by not opening a competition for shares that can be replaced by private equity, with a great administrative reform, without the Brazilian parliament.
I believe that all the measures taken They were responsible for the fact that our economy didn't have a big boom in 2020.
The world expected Brazil to decrease by 10%.
And we lost, we decreased by 4%.
We were one of the countries that decreased the least in the world.
A direct reflection for the good of the population, which kept its jobs.
Today, we have already created more than 5 million jobs in three and a half years.
And the informality that is very strong here in Brazil, which is the one that works on its own, has returned to normal pre-pandemic.
For the 15th consecutive week, inflation is seen down.
As well as week by week, our gross domestic product is seen to rise.
It's a clear sign of the recovery of the economy.
And obviously, when it comes to services, it's a sign that the population is working.
This is a country where everyone has an opportunity.
The PT, Lula, always came back to the side to get used to this population living in the state.
We changed that.
And I understand, if there hadn't been an impeachment, Lula would be, or someone from the PT, elected in 2018.
And we would already be a Venezuela here in Brazil.
Look at Argentina.
A little less than a year ago, the president took over Fernandes, Lula's friend, and other members of the São Paulo Forum here in Brazil.
A few decades ago, Argentina had a GDP similar to ours.
Today, it's down there, and 40% of its people are in the poverty line.
And here's a fact that's with you in Brazil, A few weeks ago, the candidate promised the population, every weekend, picanha and beer.
Coincidentally, the candidate Fernandes, in Argentina, also promised barbecue to his people.
Advertisements were even seen in supermarkets, in the gondolas, where there was meat to sell.
Vote Fernandes and Kirchner and you're going to eat barbecue on the weekend.
Today, there is no bone to eat in Argentina.
The way President Fernandes interfered in the economy, prohibiting the export of meat, taxing up to 33% of agricultural products for export, led to the discouragement of the farmers and of those who deal with the field product.
So, less...
So, less supply, more inflation and food shortages.
It's the problem that Argentina is experiencing at the moment.
And we obviously don't want that for our Brazil.
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So, to what do you attribute the upswing of the radical left in South America?
We've seen South American leftists take over in Chile, in Colombia, in Argentina.
Obviously, we've seen the catastrophe in Venezuela and, you know, the fact that Lula is now pulling The pandemic has led to the loss of people's purchasing power.
you as a demonstrator of the continuing strength of the far left in South America.
Why is South America seemingly so susceptible to this sort of stuff after dramatic failure after dramatic failure on the continent?
The pandemic has led to people losing purchasing power.
The pandemic has led to people losing purchasing power.
So, for example, Argentina, Chile, Colombia, the people passed the need.
In Brazil it wasn't different.
We passed it too.
Less, but we passed it.
And the people voted on proposals from the left, blaming the current president for the economic crisis, without taking into account The consequences of the pandemic, the consequences adopted in South America, sending the people to stay at home to fight the virus, which the economy would take care of later.
So this led many people who lost their purchasing power, the poor, to vote for the false proposal on the left.
Here they did the same thing, but I have more time to show the reality to the population.
And we've shown it.
And more and more, the population is understanding what's going on.
Others didn't have that chance.
I'm having this chance to show the population what we've been through and why inflation and price increases are happening in such a short time.
That's what I'm saying.
Today, in Brazil, gasoline here, the liter of gasoline, around 4 to 50 cents, is 80 cents a dollar.
In relation to Europe, it's half the price.
In relation to Europe, it's half the price.
The food is a lot more expensive here too.
A kilo of chicken in Brazil is costing...
I think in the United States it's much more expensive.
You can't even compare it to here.
It's many times more expensive.
So the PT, 14 years in the government, they also destroyed the educational base in Brazil.
They always went for automatic approval.
And benefits for students, which do not encourage students to study.
We have a PISA test, the International School Learning Test, where 70 countries participate, and Brazil is in last place, in one of the last places in this test.
We even lost to five countries here in South America, and we were almost in first place.
But this is an investment for the PT.
The more misinformed the population is, without the ability to understand certain issues, these people are captured by the party and are allied to it.
And here in Brazil they also play hard, the question of not giving freedom of expression, the question against it.
But in the liberation of drugs, marijuana, the liberation of abortion, and the so-called gender ideology, where there are children of 7, 8, 9, 10 years old, boys don't know if they are boys or girls, and vice versa.
It's a terrible thing here in Brazilian education.
A lot of people end up at a higher level, semi-illiterate.
In the PT government, it took three years to make a child illiterate.
In our government now, more than half of the municipalities in Brazil, with our methodology, take six months.
So we're investing in this base, seeking the freedom of the kids, teaching them how to write in the first year, in the first six months.
This is our big job.
The universities in Brazil, a considerable part of them, only have ideology, the formation of militants within them.
The best university in Asia-Pacific is between 201 and 250 in the world ranking.
in the world ranking.
So up to 250, there is one Brazilian university that fits as the best in the world.
It is a catastrophe, the legacy left by PT in the field of education.
So one of the areas in which you've been widely demonized by the media has been with regard to social policy.
You mentioned before your positions on abortion, on same-sex marriage.
Brazil has been historically a very traditional country when it comes to things like marriage, when it comes to abortion.
In 2010, it was President Lula's last year.
After that, Dilma Rousseff from PT also took over.
What do you make of the push by the far left in countries like Brazil to confuse people with gender ideology or to liberalize efforts with regard to abortion?
In 2010, it was President Lula's last year.
Then Dilma Rousseff, from PT, also took over.
In 2010, Lula approved in the House a bill that sentenced up to three years in prison a priest or a pastor who refused to marry two men or two women.
Obviously, fathers and pastors did not agree with this.
The bill went to the federal senate.
I got into this fight Defending that the priest refused to perform a marriage that was not in accordance with the Bible.
Hence the homophobic label.
I was defending that priests and pastors were not arrested for refusing to perform the marriage of two men.
They took it to the side because I was homophobic.
And the LGBT population must be about 5% in Brazil, maybe.
And threw this part of society against me.
So they take certain defenses of ours to demonize us.
Here they say, for example, that I am against the northeasterner.
The northeast is worth almost a third of the Brazilian electorate.
But I am married to the daughter of a northeasterner.
So, they make everything possible.
When I defend the man of the field, they say I'm the destroyer of nature.
When I defend the legitimate right to defense, in this case, freedom, with some criteria for the person to have a firearm at home, they accuse me of wanting to arm the population to cause chaos in here.
And a large part of the media, almost all of it, is from the left.
The research institutes themselves are bought.
The left has money.
I would never buy a research institute.
So we have the media work done by the PT, we have our big left-wing press, how is it?
It's not different, even very different from the United States.
And we face all this with truth.
But Brazil, which has our side and is very strong, 90% of Brazilians are Christians, Evangelicals or Catholics.
And a considerable part of them understands my situation and defends me.
Here, candidate Lula says all the time that he's going to regulate the media, he's going to censor the media, and yet the media supports him.
They always want to regulate the media.
They tried while they were in government.
They didn't succeed.
They were sure that Dilma would conclude her term, and another leftist, maybe Lula himself, would succeed her.
And then, one more term, They imposed socialism, communism in Brazil, without even firing a shot.
They weren't successful.
On the other hand, there was someone who behaved like an inflexible person, who didn't negotiate with the left in search of support from the parliament.
And that's how we are to this day.
It is so true that I never received a PT deputy to talk to me.
And in the elections now, we had great success for the Parliament.
any reason that should be...
The majority, two-thirds of the House, went to the center-right.
The road is open.
Through Parliament, we reformed the State, made it more agile, lighter, and we really rose several positions in the ranking of the world's largest GDP.
Are you surprised by the amount of vitriol from the American media for you?
Because the amount of hatred, obviously, in Brazilian media, that's predictable to a certain extent.
In every country, there's a lot of domestic opposition in the media to whomever is the leader.
But the New York Times, for example, seems to really despise you at a deep level.
I remember a couple of years ago when they were In a commercial context with the world.
Brazil is a power in the agribusiness.
the Amazon, this was a major, it was made into a major global issue.
When it came to your handling of COVID, the New York Times seemed to spend almost every day covering how you were handling COVID.
What do you make of the attention paid to you by international media, not just domestic media?
Brazil is a powerhouse in the agribusiness, in its commodities.
And we produce a lot of indigenous products.
Our productivity is very good.
So let's go to that side.
And another one.
In Europe as a whole, who wants to know the truth about the environmental issue in Brazil?
Whoever dares to say that the Amazon is not on fire, has simply buried their political career.
The times I've been to Esteru, like at the UN in 2019, I've always talked about the Amazon, the truth about it.
I always invite important people to fly over the Amazon, not to see a focus of heat.
Our forest is humid, it doesn't catch fire.
The fire that exists is in its periphery.
It exists, no one denies it.
We fight it.
So much so that if you compare my four years in office with the first four in Lula from 2011 to 2014, there was three times more deforestation in his government.
We deal with these issues with much more responsibility.
Now I understand, the Amazon is equivalent to a Western Europe.
It's huge!
Only the Yanomami Indigenous Reserve has twice the territorial extension of the state of Rio de Janeiro.
We tried to approve it, but we couldn't.
We should be able to next year.
There's a law called Fundamental Regularization.
where you could, via satellite, when detecting any deforestation or any heat focus, know who owns that piece of land.
We call here knowing the CPF of that person.
And then you go up to that person and see if that deforestation was irregular or not.
We didn't have that, because the left worked against it.
Because they knew I was going to have it in my hands, Something to tell the truth about deforestation and the focus of fires in the Amazon.
In the event of the election, I will certainly approve this project and a final point will be placed in the lies about deforestation and the focus of fires in the Amazon with all this potential as it is disclosed.
Folks, our conversation will continue with questions about President Trump versus President Biden and how President Bolsonaro has dealt with both of them.
We'll also get to his COVID policy.
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Well, President Bolsonaro, really appreciate you joining the show.
Thank you so much for your time.
And I know that you're a very busy man, so we really appreciate it.
Thank you, man.
Obrigado.
Thank you, man.
Vivas Américas.
Long live the Americas.
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