Vice President Mike Pence destroys Senator Kamala Harris in the sole vice presidential debate, and we examine every detail.
The Commission on Public Debate says the second presidential debate will be virtual and Trump box, and Bill de Blasio gets even weirder than usual.
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It may in fact be the last debate, as it turns out, because right now, President Trump is claiming he's not going to do a second debate if the second debate is virtual, and the Commission on Public Debate is now saying that they want it to be virtual only.
According to the Associated Press, the second debate between Trump and Biden will take place virtually amid the fallout from the president's diagnosis of COVID-19.
The nonpartisan commission on presidential debates cited a need to quote protect the health and safety of all involved with the second presidential debate. The candidates will quote participate from separate remote locations while the participants and moderator remain in Miami. That of course would radically shape the dynamic of the second debate. Number one there's always a little bit of delay when you're doing things remotely.
There's very slight delay generally.
And that means it's very difficult for Trump to jump in if Biden is lying or for Biden to fend off attacks from Trump.
It could turn into even more of a mess.
If you've ever been on a Zoom call with a delay, you know exactly what I'm talking about.
Also, there are severe concerns and there should be severe concerns about what sort of information Joe Biden is going to get.
Remember, when he's actually in the room, he can't be fed information, but his own people have routinely and repeatedly refused to answer on camera whether Joe Biden uses teleprompter during interviews.
Like whether they're feeding him information during the interviews by throwing it up on his teleprompter.
You could easily see them doing something like that in the middle of the debate, especially because they've not actually disowned that tactic in the past.
Trump says he's not going to do it.
So Trump said on Fox Business this morning, he will not do a virtual debate.
Here's what it sounded like.
I heard that the Commission a little while ago changed the debate style, and that's not acceptable to us.
I beat him easily in the first debate, according to the polls that I've seen, but I beat him easily.
I felt I beat him easily.
I think he felt it, too.
But I'm not going to do a virtual debate.
So you're not—so, Mr. President, you're not going to do it because the CPD, the Commission on Presidential Debates, announcing this morning that the second presidential debate will be virtual.
Are you saying you're not going to participate?
No, I'm not going to waste my time on a virtual debate.
That's not what debating is all about.
You sit behind a computer and do a debate.
It's ridiculous.
And then they cut you off whenever they want.
Now, the Commission on Presidential Debate, of course, says that they have to do this for reasons of public safety.
Of course, right now, it is only October 8th.
The president will be free and clear of this thing by the time the next debate rolls around, presumably.
It is unclear how long the virus is shed, but he will be immune if he continues to recover.
He apparently is symptom-free and has been symptom-free for some 48 or 72 hours at this point.
So it seems unlikely at best that he's going to transmit the virus a week from now to somebody.
And it seems like he could take some precautions to the extent that you need to take precautions in order to make sure that they can have an in-person debate.
He could do it in the open air.
He could do it outdoors in the open air.
12 feet apart from each other, which would pretty much ensure that nobody is exposed to the president's COVID.
And again, by that point, the COVID should basically be done.
Nonetheless, do I think Trump will end up debating?
I do.
I think Trump will end up debating because frankly, he needs it more than Biden does.
If you look at the polls right now, he's trailing Biden very, very heavily nationally, and he's trailing Biden more and more in the States.
There was a new Quinnipiac poll out today.
Quinnipiac is generally Somewhat favorable to Biden, but these polls are devastating for Trump.
They haven't done 11 in Florida, which of course is an outlier poll so far, and 13 in Pennsylvania, also an outlier poll so far.
Bottom line is this, there has not been a good poll for Trump in quite a long while in the various swing states.
In Pennsylvania, the RealClearPolitics poll average now puts Biden up 7 points.
In Florida, the RealClearPolitics poll average now puts Biden up nearly 5 points.
In Wisconsin, he's leading by 5.5.
In Arizona, he's still leading by about 3.
And nationally, he is leading by about 10.
Trump, in order to win this election, really needs to be within 3 to 5 points of Biden nationally.
He doesn't need to win the popular vote, but he does need to be in spitting distance of Biden in the popular vote.
So that means that Trump has ground to make up.
And if he's going to make up that ground, then he needs that debate.
So him walking away from the debate is very, very unlikely, I think.
Okay, with that said, if he does walk away from the debate, that means that the last debate that we'll probably see before the election is the one that we saw last night.
Now, in the lead up to the debate, it was perfectly obvious where the line was going to be.
The New York Times said openly in their reporting that Kamala Harris was a historic, wonderful human being, because of course she is black and she's a woman, and this means she's a historic, wonderful human being no matter what she does or what she says, and that the only sort of attacks that have come from the right are Crazed attacks that are racist and sexist in nature, calling her a radical leftist.
Well, they'd already preset the narrative.
That means that if you criticize Kamala Harris, you're racist and you're sexist.
And we knew going in that this was the way this debate was going to be played.
Literally 10 seconds after the debate started, I tweeted, breaking, CNN calls debate for Kamala Harris.
And that's exactly what happened last night.
It turns out that Mike Pence absolutely thoroughly debunked Kamala Harris.
I mean, he dismantled her.
It was truly a great debate performance.
I've seen a lot of presidential and vice presidential debates.
Mike Pence happens to be very, very good at this.
He is smooth.
He only answers the questions he wants to answer.
And when he goes on attack, he is very meticulous in how he goes about those attacks.
Kamala Harris, by contrast, is wild.
There's a lot of smirking.
There was some weird chuckling.
She obviously wanted to goad Pence into somehow getting aggressive with her.
He really didn't.
And so the media's line, which is that Pence was too aggressive, that he was mansplaining to her, that all fell apart.
The reality is she had nothing.
And what's even more incredible is that the attacks that she used against Trump, Very few of them actually seem to stick because number one, we've heard it all before.
And number two, a lot of that is drawn from like Bob Woodward's book.
And it's not from stuff that we have seen from Trump publicly, per se.
It doesn't mean that the public perception of Trump is really good.
It means that Pence did the best he could with a bad situation, namely COVID.
And it means that Kamala Harris is actually really, really incompetent.
She's an incompetent debater.
I know the legend of Kamala Harris is that she's great at this because she once said a mean thing to Joe Biden on stage.
But as per her usual arrangement, what she said to Joe Biden there was factually inaccurate.
It was a complete, it was a complete misinterpretation of the facts.
And then she had to back off of it.
There was a lot of that last night with Mike Pence.
She really did not land a blow against Pence, and Pence landed quite a few blows against Biden and Harris.
Now, is it going to make a big difference?
It's a vice presidential debate, so theoretically it could, because obviously we all know that Kamala Harris is likely to be president if Biden is elected, given the fact that he is 78 years old and not in the world's best health.
But is it going to make a big difference?
As long as Trump is in center stage, the answer is probably not.
But this debate is what the Trump administration agenda looks like without Trump's crazy.
Seriously, that's what this debate looked like.
And you know what?
It looks pretty damned good.
For all the folks who say, we need Trump's Twitter.
We need it full time.
We need more Trump loviation.
We need more Trump militancy.
Let me just point out that debate last night was fantastic.
The debate was fantastic because Mike Pence was the Trump agenda just as an agenda.
It was the Trump agenda without any of the ancillary wild commentary.
And I understand maybe you need the wild commentary in order to draw attention.
I understand that we all on the right enjoy when Trump punches at the media and sometimes it is well deserved.
As I've been saying for literally five years at this point, Donald Trump is a hammer.
I mean, sometimes he hits a nail, which is great and satisfying, and sometimes he hits a baby, which is significantly less satisfying and significantly less great.
But the point is this.
The Trump agenda, stripped of all the sort of Trumpian overtones, is actually excellent.
And when it is defended properly, as Mike Pence did, not like Trump in the first debate, as Mike Pence did in the vice presidential debate, that agenda is worthy of re-election.
That agenda is worthy of another four years.
It is.
Pence did an excellent job laying forth the Trump administration agenda, laying forth all of the successes of the Trump administration.
And they are plentiful.
And not only that, he contrasted that agenda and the accomplishments of the Trump administration with what Kamala Harris and Joe Biden would do.
And Kamala Harris had no answers because the entire Biden-Harris campaign is Trump is an orange man who is bad.
That is the entire campaign.
She refused to answer questions about abortion policy.
She refused to answer questions About her COVID policy.
She refused to answer questions on court packing.
She refused to answer questions on foreign policy.
Kamala Harris did not answer a single question straight last night.
Not from the moderator and not from Pence.
And so she was relegated to falling back on, he's being mean to me because I'm a girl.
Which by the way, is playing directly into sexist stereotypes.
You gotta pick one if you're a member of the media.
Either women are the full equal of men in the political sphere and should be treated exactly the same, or women are delicate lilies of the field who must be protected from the gentle predations of Mike Pence, one of the most polite people in American politics.
If Mike Pence is too much for you in American politics, you need to get out of the venue entirely.
Okay, seriously.
If Mike Pence is too harsh on you, then let me suggest that that is a you problem.
That is not a Mike Pence problem.
If the media are relegated to talking about how Mike Pence was mean to Kamala Harris, oh, poor Kamala Harris, then don't give me the, she's a tough prosecuting lady, she is woman, hear her roar, these boots are made for walking.
Don't give me that crap.
If the immediate aftermath of a vice presidential debate is, why was he mean to her?
Why did he sometimes interrupt her during a debate?
It's called a debate.
Is that discussion, society?
We'll get to all this in a second.
We're going to break down the debate.
It was an extraordinary performance by Pence.
All credit to Mike Pence.
He really did an excellent job last night.
We'll get to more of this in just one second.
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So the debate leads off Susan Page of USA Today.
I thought she did a decent job.
Her questions were meh.
Some of them were good, some of them were bad.
I didn't think they were universally good.
She was tasked with something easier than Chris Wallace.
Wallace had to face down the prospect of Donald Trump completely just talking through Joe Biden for 90 long minutes.
And Wallace lost control of the debate and then he lost control of himself in that order.
Susan Page really didn't have that problem.
People on the left are mad at Susan Page, which shows you that Pence dominated Harris.
It just is a truism of politics that if you're attacking the referee, then probably it's because you didn't do great.
Now, it may be the referee also sucks, but last night Susan Page did not suck.
She was fine.
Susan Page, you know, people were like, why didn't she hold them to the questions?
Why didn't she press them on the questions?
You know, these are professional politicians who answer what they want to answer.
And Page basically, you know, she stepped out of it, which was good.
She didn't put herself at the center of the story in the same way that Chris Wallace did.
Okay, she started this thing off and she made clear that she was not going to be okay with the sort of Trumpian interruptions that happened in the last debate.
We want a debate that is lively, but Americans also deserve a discussion that is civil.
Okay, then the debate actually begins.
And as you'll see, Kamala Harris did not answer a single question.
A single question.
And she continually spewed lies.
I mean, she is a very dishonest human being.
She's chameleonic in her own politics.
She's willing to literally say anything.
I cannot emphasize too much that Kamala Harris is a person who literally implied that the person who is now her running mate was a sexual harasser and a racist.
And now when she's asked about it, she says it was a debate.
She said that to Stephen Colbert.
It was a debate!
I mean, that was Kamala Harris.
So she's a really, really dishonest player.
Okay, so last night the debate begins, and of course it starts with COVID.
Paige asks Kamala Harris, would you impose new lockdowns and masking?
And Kamala Harris just completely ignores the question, of course.
Would you impose new lockdowns for businesses and schools and hotspots?
A federal mandate to wear masks?
The American people have witnessed what is the greatest failure of any presidential administration in the history of our country.
And they knew what was happening, and they didn't tell you.
The president said it was a hoax.
And our plan is about what we need to do around a national strategy for contact tracing, for testing, for administration of the vaccine, and making sure that it will be free for all.
Okay, so a few things here.
One, Kamala Harris has a couple of modes, just in terms of modes.
So Mike Pence is extremely stable in debate.
You never really see him get upset.
You never see him really get ruffled.
Kamala Harris has two modes, faux sincerity and faux outrage.
That's it.
Those are the only two modes.
She just bounces between those.
So faux sincerity is when she lowers her voice and she starts to get a little emotional.
I hate this in all politicians, right?
Even politicians, I personally like, like Ted Cruz does this a lot, that kind of faux, we're going to go down here for the sincere voice.
Whenever you go to sincere voice, I'm out.
But Kamala Harris does that a lot.
She does the faux sincerity.
So there's the, and that was a little girl like me, Joe.
And then there's the faux outrage.
I am speaking here.
I am speaking.
She bounces between those two positions.
Everything is faux sincerity and faux outrage because she sucks at this.
She's terrible.
Kamala Harris is not good at this.
That's what's so hilarious about Joe Biden picking her from all of the possible humans.
He picked her.
She's awful.
She's so bad, she dropped out of the primaries before she was even put up for a vote in her home state of California because she was going to win zero delegates.
But even in that particular clip, she lies.
The president never said coronavirus is a hoax.
That is a for Pinocchio claim, according to the Washington Post.
Does not matter.
And then she says that her plan is a national strategy on contact tracing and testing and development of vaccine.
Mike Pence answers, he's like, um, so basically that's our plan.
And you are a kind of liar a little bit.
I want the American people to know that from the very first day, President Donald Trump has put the health of America first.
Before there were more than five cases in the United States, all people who had returned from China, President Donald Trump did what no other American president had ever done, and that was he suspended all travel from China, the second largest economy in the world.
Now, Senator Joe Biden opposed that decision.
He said it was xenophobic and hysterical.
The reality is, when you look at the Biden plan, it reads an awful lot, like what President Trump and I and our task force have been doing every step of the way.
I mean, quite frankly, when I look at their plan that talks about advancing testing, creating new PPE, developing a vaccine, Um, it looks a little bit like plagiarism, which is something Joe Biden knows a little bit about.
That's a good line.
Then you get Kamala Harris laughing it off.
I don't know if... I mean, Harris has to know she's on split screen, right?
So all of her reactions last night were not particularly good.
So point number one goes to Pence, right?
He says immediately, your plan is the same as our plan.
And then you pretend that it's a plan.
It's not a plan.
Your entire plan is Trump is an orange man who is very bad.
And Harris knows immediately that she's in trouble.
And she tries to bring out the big guns.
The big guns for Kamala Harris are not All of the Trumpian policy mistakes or the terrible things that Trump has said over the years or his bad tweets.
The big gun for Harris is, I am woman.
Please, please, please leave me alone.
Which is the most anti-feminist thing you can say.
But she was waiting to bring it out.
She was waiting to bring it out.
And she couldn't wait like 10 minutes.
Seriously, within 10 minutes, she's like looking for an opportunity to Try to portray Mike Pence as some sort of bizarre debate predator.
Kamala, here's the deal.
You should be treated exactly like anyone else on that stage.
Mike Pence did not treat you differently because you are a woman.
You are not mansplained to.
A man explaining things is not mansplaining.
A man debating you is not mansplaining.
And you proclaiming that you are being victimized on the stage is a sign of weakness.
It is not a sign of female strength.
It is not.
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Okay, so here it is.
Here was Kamala Harris.
You know, playing the victim card.
Here she was, claiming that Mike Pence was mansplaining to her.
It's so terrifying.
He's interrupting.
Here we go.
The vice president said, when asked, well, why didn't y'all tell anybody?
He said because the president wanted people to remain calm.
No, but Susan, this is important.
Mr. Vice President, I'm speaking.
I'm speaking.
What's amazing there is that Paige jumps in and interrupts Harris, right?
She says, Mr. Vice President, because she wants him to answer the charge.
And Pence then follows up on Paige saying, OK, I'd like to answer that.
And she immediately jumps to, I'm speaking here.
This is my floor.
I'm speaking here.
OK, here's the deal.
That is called like a normal debate.
And Susan Page was the first person to interrupt Kamala Harris in that tweet, in that particular clip.
The first time she brings out, and she kept bringing up this gun throughout the debate.
Whenever she felt she was losing, she went to, I'm trying to speak here.
I want my time.
After all the time was counted up, actually, there are a couple of different estimates.
At the very least, she got equal time with Pence.
And by some counts, she got three minutes more than Pence.
But apparently she was victimized.
I mean, that clip is astonishing.
Paige is the one who jumps in and then Penn says, OK, now it's my time.
No, no, I'm still speaking.
Mr. Vice President, I am speaking here.
I am speaking.
You're going to have to pick one.
Again, women are fully empowered.
It is wonderful that we have female VP candidates.
They should be treated just the same as everyone else.
Or, women must be treated as though they are weak creatures, incapable of handling a mild-mannered vice president saying to them, I'd like to answer that, please.
I mean, that's literally what Mike Pence says.
He says, I'd like to respond.
I'm sorry.
And as we'll see, this became the media narrative.
It's really, really incredible.
Okay, back to the debate.
So Kamala Harris starts talking with Mike Pence about vaccines.
And she's asked directly if she will take a vaccine.
And she keeps trotting out this nonsensical line about vaccines where she says, well, if Donald Trump tells me to take a vaccine, I won't.
But if doctors tell me to take a vaccine, I will.
What do you think?
Donald Trump is down in the basement cooking up the serum?
You think Donald Trump is like taking antibodies out of his own body and then he's making a virus, an antivirus, like Will Smith in I Am Legend?
Like that's how this is all going here at Kamala Harris?
Or is it true that under the Trump administration, Operation Warp Speed is developing a vaccine faster than any vaccine has been developed in human history?
And that he deserves some credit for that?
This is such a nonsensical and silly line.
Here is Harris talking about vaccines.
You respect the American people when you tell them the truth.
If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it.
Absolutely.
But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it.
Okay, I have a question.
Does she actually think that Donald Trump is going to be out there, like, okay, you know this vaccine all my doctors are rejecting?
Go take it right now.
Right now.
Mike Pence properly calls her up, well, calls her out on this, and comes with smirks throughout.
Again, her performance last night was abysmal.
The media are trying to save her from herself.
They've been trying to do it for literally years at this point.
When she dropped out of the race, we got a bevy of articles.
The reality is that we're going to have a vaccine, Senator, in record time, in unheard of time, in less than a year.
We have five companies in phase three clinical trials, and we're right now producing tens of millions of doses.
the point, which is that she is actively dissuading people from taking a vaccine that we will need people to take. The reality is that we're going to have a vaccine, Senator, in record time, in unheard of time, in less than a year. We have five companies in phase three clinical trials, and we're right now producing tens of millions of doses. So the fact that you continue to undermine public confidence in a vaccine, if the vaccine emerges
during the Trump administration, I think is unconscionable.
And, Senator, I just ask you, stop playing politics with people's lives.
Okay, he is right about this.
And Kamala Harris couldn't stop smirking throughout.
This goes back to Al Gore.
There's not a sexist point that people shouldn't smirk while they're on split screens.
Smirking and shaking your head on split screens looks bad.
Kind of shaking your head ruefully doesn't look bad on a split screen.
Smirking looks terrible.
It looks smug and it looks obnoxious.
Kamala Harris was all of those things last night.
Okay, then they got to the issue of taxation.
So, recognize the first, like, third of the debate was all about COVID.
And Harris, basically her line was that Trump knew in late January, early February, this thing was airborne, it was dangerous.
Even Bob Woodward, who revealed that in his book, right, that Trump had said that sort of stuff.
Even Bob Woodward said publicly in interviews, we talked about it at the time, He said, I didn't believe that Trump knew all that.
I thought Trump was just bloviating because, again, nobody knew that.
There was not a single doctor, including Fauci, who was saying in early February the thing was airborne and that it was really dangerous for young people.
As it turns out, it is not particularly dangerous to young people.
And even now, there is controversy about just how airborne the virus is, right?
The CDC literally this week, this week, came out with information suggesting there might be an airborne component to this.
This week, the CDC said this.
It is now September.
It is not late January.
OK, so she relied a lot I'm Bob Woodward's book for various items of information.
But then they moved beyond COVID, and they got into taxes.
And here is where the debate really started to go sideways for Harris.
To this point, you could say that Harris sort of held her own, because on COVID, the fact is that the Trump administration's rhetoric has been bad, and the Trump administration's performance has been pretty good.
Because Pence is rhetorically much better than Trump, especially at this kind of stuff, he made the record look as good as you can make it when you have a president who is doing all the things that President Trump is doing.
Then they got to the economy, and this is where it all starts to fall apart for Kamala Harris.
So she starts talking about the issue of the economy.
This is clip eight.
She says that there could not be a more fundamental difference on the issue of the economy.
And in this particular segment of the debate, I mean, this was a car crash.
This was an absolute car crash.
This was a smart car against a big rig.
It just did not go well for Kamala Harris here.
Here was Harris trying to go off on Pence's economy, the Pence-Trump economy, the Trump-Pence economy.
And as you will see, Pence just was not having it.
On the issue of the economy, I think there couldn't be a more fundamental difference between Donald Trump and Joe Biden.
Joe Biden believes you measure the health and the strength of America's economy based on the health and the strength of the American worker and the American family.
On the other hand, you have Donald Trump, who measures the strength of the economy based on how rich people are doing.
On day one, Joe Biden will repeal that tax bill.
He'll get rid of it.
Okay.
And then, and then, as you'll see, as you'll see, Mike Pence just handed her hat to her.
And it's really bad.
So she says, again, again, for the 90th time, that the first day Biden is going to repeal Trump's tax cuts, There's only one problem with that.
When you say he's going to repeal the tax cuts, as it turns out, you're raising everybody's taxes.
This is a point that Mike Pence made with alacrity.
Harris tried to back off of it.
She stepped right in it, again, because they've been stepping in it all the time, but nobody's held them to account.
We'll see.
Mike Pence will do that in just one second.
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Despite what Senator Harris says, the average American family of four had $2,000 in savings and taxes.
The average household income for a family of four increased by $4,000 following President Trump's tax cuts.
But America, you just heard Senator Harris tell you, on day one, Joe Biden's gonna raise your taxes.
Okay, and then she starts smirking, and you get the Kamala Harris giggle, the weird, strange joker giggle.
Okay, and then she, again, she knows she's caught.
Every time she was caught last night, she played the I'm a woman, stop interrupting me card.
She woman-splained to Mike Pence about how debate is not supposed to be debate as long as a woman is there.
I do find, by the way, all this man-splaining, women are victims stuff pretty amusing from a party that suggests that men can be women, that gender is completely a social construct, and that women do not exist.
In fact, men and women are arbitrary categories decided by society rather than by biology, which means that I suppose that Kamala Harris could man-splain to Mike Pence anytime she pleases simply by identifying as a man.
But in any case, here was Kamala Harris Trying to walk back the simple fact, which is, if you repeal Trump's tax cuts, then you end up repealing tax cuts for 82% of Americans who received a tax cut.
Here was Kamala Harris trying to walk it back, and then Pence tries to interject, and once again, she does the, you're interrupting me.
Stop interrupting me!
Here she was.
Joe Biden has been very clear.
He will not raise taxes on anybody who makes less than $400,000 a year.
He said he would repeal the Trump tax cuts.
Mr. Vice President, I'm speaking.
I'm speaking.
It'd be important if you said the truth.
Joe Biden has said twice in the debate last week that he's going to repeal the Trump tax cuts.
That was tax cuts that gave the average working family $2,000 in a tax break every single year.
Senator, that's the math.
That is absolutely not true.
Is he only going to repeal part of the Trump tax cuts?
If you don't mind letting me finish, we can then have a conversation, OK?
Please.
OK.
Again, she gets caught out and she has nowhere to go.
This is another aspect of her performance last night.
She kept basically saying, I want my time back.
I want my time.
Let me answer.
And then Joe Biden did this in debate too early on.
He would do this routine where he's like, I'm not finished yet.
I want to say my piece.
And then everybody would stop and be like, Yeah, and that's what she did.
That's the best part.
She's like, I'd like to finish.
I'd like to finish.
And then he says, OK, let go.
And she's like, uh, but I was basically like, I mean, can we all just acknowledge that what I was really doing here was just trying to call you a sexist?
Like, can we really acknowledge that?
OK, then.
Pence continued to hammer home this point.
I mean, on the economy, he just, he had his editor rights on the economy.
So he continued to hammer home this point.
She was saying, again, that she was not going to raise taxes, that she and Biden will not raise taxes on people, which, of course, is a lie.
Also, she was saying that she's not going to ban fracking.
Joe Biden has said it repeatedly, that he looks to get rid of fracking.
She herself has said repeatedly that she is looking to get rid of fracking.
Even the fact-checkers who somehow suggest that the Biden-Harris campaign is only looking to get rid of new leases on public land are failing to recognize that all that Harris and Biden have been saying the whole time is that that is a transitional plan toward getting rid of fossil fuels entirely.
I mean, they've been very consistent on this point.
Here was Mike Pence hammering this home.
You're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts.
You yourself said on multiple occasions when you were running for president that you would ban fracking.
Joe Biden looked at a supporter in the eye and pointed and said, I guarantee, I guarantee that we will abolish fossil fuels.
They have a $2 trillion version of the Green New Deal, Susan, that your newspaper, USA Today, said really wasn't that very different from the original Green New Deal.
Again, Kamala Harris looked terrible on the split screen because she kept breaking out the smirk and the laughter.
shape recovery that's underway right now will continue with four more years of President Donald Trump. Again Kamala Harris looked terrible on the split screen because she kept breaking out the smirk and the laughter. That is every interview she has ever done when she breaks that out she's losing and she was losing last night and losing badly.
He kept also hammering home on the Green New Deal.
So, so Page, Susan Page, asked, asked Kamala Harris about Joe Biden and the Green New Deal.
This was actually a very good question from Susan Page, the first time I've seen them called on it, in which she says, you know, Joe Biden denied that he's in favor of the Green New Deal.
His website literally describes the Green New Deal.
So what's the deal here?
What's the deal?
And then Pence doubles down on it.
Harris I gotta say, I'm not sure which was more stunning.
How well Pence performed or how badly Harris performed.
I think probably the latter because expectations for Harris were much higher than expectations for Pence.
But it was a mismatch last night.
It was.
This was a heavyweight with a lightweight.
It was that simple.
She has knowledge of issues that goes about half an inch deep and it does not go a mile wide.
Here was Susan Page unintentionally finishing Kamala Harris on the Green New Deal.
Vice President Biden said in last week's debate that he does not support the Green New Deal.
But if you look at the Biden-Harris campaign website, it describes the Green New Deal as a crucial framework.
Joe believes, again, in science.
We have seen a pattern with this administration, which is they don't believe in science.
And Joe's plan is about saying, we're going to deal with it, but we're also going to create jobs.
You were the first Senate co-sponsor of the Green New Deal.
And while Joe Biden denied the Green New Deal, Susan, thank you for pointing out the Green New Deal is on their campaign website.
Okay, there's a reason that Pence kept hammering home on the Green New Deal.
The Green New Deal is a debacle.
It is spending, by AOC's plan, some $93 trillion over 10 years.
Okay, so he hammered the Green New Deal.
I think he mentioned the Green New Deal 15 times.
Last night.
And correctly so.
So another issue on which Pence just excoriated her.
Then they got to the issue of China.
So both candidates were asked about China.
Kamala Harris had no answer other than to say, and she really said this, she said that Xi Jinping was more popular internationally than Donald Trump.
First of all, the image of China around the world has been in steady decline, as it should be, because it's a tyrannical hellhole.
I mean, in terms of how it is run.
Tyrant Xi Jinping has been subjecting a million Uyghur Muslims to concentration camps.
He has been, you know, basically welding people in their houses in Wuhan.
He cares nothing about his citizenry.
He's a dictator.
He's a dictator.
Kamala Harris defended the dictator.
At one point, she suggested that Trump had lost the trade war with China.
And Pence had a great rebuttal to this.
The vice president earlier referred to, as part of what he thinks is an accomplishment, the president's trade war with China.
You lost that trade war.
You lost it.
Lost the trade war with China?
Joe Biden never fought it.
And he correctly kept pointing out that the Biden campaign, the Biden administration was very, very soft on China.
How do you know, by the way, that Pence is right?
We could fact check this in real time, as it turns out.
It turns out that the debate was broadcast on Chinese television.
Every time Pence talked about China and the predations of China and the corruption of China and how China was responsible for the spread of coronavirus, China blocked the feed.
Really, this is true.
Every time Kamala Harris talked about China, the feed came back on.
Doesn't that say something about how the Chinese government views the two candidates?
When Pence talks about the predations of China, China blocks the feed.
When Kamala Harris talks about China, they're like...
Slow clap.
If China views you that way, it's a good indicator those people should not be in power.
In just a second, we're going to go to trade and we're going to go to the personal liberalism of Kamala Harris and foreign policy.
I mean, on foreign policy, again, The Trump administration, without the Trumpian affect, is excellent.
Very, very good.
If you like what you saw last night from Mike Pence, then what you should want is more of that.
Not more distraction.
Not more mind-melting tweets.
Not more of that.
Okay, if Donald Trump used his Twitter sparingly, and if he used it in targeted fashion, I'd be a huge fan.
What we saw last night is what it looks like when the Trump administration policy is explicated outside of Twitter.
And it looked pretty damned good.
It looked pretty damned good.
Which is why the media today are talking about nothing but a fly landing on Mike Pence's head, and maybe his pink eye.
And Kamala Harris being the victim of sexism.
Those are the three themes of the media, which means Pence cleaned her last night.
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♪♪ Okay, so moving from domestic policy to foreign policy, the story didn't get any better for Kamala Harris.
She talked about foreign policy, and everything she says here is just ridiculous.
Like, patently ridiculous on his face.
Here was Kamala Harris being absurd.
Just absurd.
The Biden foreign policy case is that Biden has been wrong on every major foreign policy issue of the last 30 years.
Seriously, it is difficult to imagine anyone who has ever been more wrong on foreign policy.
This is a guy who did not want to kill Osama Bin Laden.
This is a guy who's very much in favor of the Iran deal.
This is a person whose great suggestion, repeatedly, is that whenever there's a problem, we should just split countries apart.
Here is Kamala Harris, though, trying to pretend that Joe Biden is some sort of foreign policy genius, when in fact, the guy is as much of a... He's the Ralph Wiggum of foreign policy.
Here is Kamala Harris trying to spin Ralph Wiggum into Mr. Burns.
I love talking with Joe about a lot of these issues.
And, you know, Joe, I think he said it quite well.
He says, you know, foreign policy, it might sound complicated, but really it's relationships.
Just think about it as relationships.
And so we know this in our personal and professional relationships.
You've got to keep your word to your friends.
You've got to be loyal to your friends.
People who have stood with you, you've got to stand with them.
You've got to know who your adversaries are and keep them in check.
But what we have seen with Donald Trump is that he has betrayed our friends and embraced dictators around the world.
We were in the Iran nuclear deal with friends, with allies around the country.
Okay, so there are a few things here that are hilarious.
One, he says, we were in the Iran nuclear deal with friends and with allies around the country.
Okay, number one, you may have had some Europeans in on that deal.
You were also in the deal with the Iranians, with the Iranian mullahs, who are not your friends.
They are terrorists.
And when she says you got to keep your word to your friends, the Obama-Biden administration was the most anti-Israel administration in American history.
They literally tried to withdraw defense equipment from Israel in the middle of a war with Hamas.
They were awful.
They betrayed Eastern European allies in the face of Russian predation.
The Obama-Biden foreign policy was a full-scale disaster on virtually every level.
And this is something that Mike Pence then proceeded to point out.
This foreign policy section debate went really, really poorly for Kamala Harris.
Here's Mike Pence.
President Trump kept his word when we moved the American Embassy to Jerusalem.
We've stood strong with our allies, but we've been demanding.
NATO is now contributing more to our common defense than ever before thanks to President Trump's leadership.
We've strengthened our alliances across the Asia-Pacific.
President Trump Unleash the American military, and our armed forces destroy the ISIS caliphate and took down their leader al-Baghdadi without one American casualty.
The last administration transferred $1.8 billion to the leading state sponsor of terrorism.
Thank you, Vice President Pence.
President Donald Trump got us out of the deal.
Thank you, Vice President Pence.
And when Qasem Soleimani was traveling to Baghdad to harm two Americans, President Donald Trump took him out.
Thank you, Vice President.
Okay.
And of course, this is exactly right.
Okay.
The fact is that the Trump foreign policy agenda is so much better.
I mean, it is the highlight.
It really is.
It's one of the highlights of the Trump administration.
And then Pence really hit Kamala Harris where it hurts.
He pointed out that the Obama administration allowed the rise of ISIS.
And he points to the story of Kayla Mueller, who was taken prisoner by the ISIS terrorists and then murdered.
And her family saying quite openly that if Donald Trump had been president, that never would have happened.
When Joe Biden was vice president, we had an opportunity to save Kayla Miller.
It breaks my heart to reflect on it, but the military came into the Oval Office, presented a plan.
They said they knew where Kayla was.
Baghdadi had held her for 18 months, abused her mercilessly before they killed her.
But when Joe Biden was vice president, they hesitated for a month.
And when armed forces finally went in, it was clear she'd been moved two days earlier.
And her family says with a heart that broke the heart of every American that if President Donald Trump had been president, they believed Kayla would be alive today.
Harris had no comeback for that.
She said, oh, well, condolences to Kayla Mueller's family.
That's pretty much it.
That's pretty much it.
So Harris's response to all of this is that Donald Trump is personally mean to the military.
She relied very heavily on an Atlantic story that has been debunked by 14 different sources.
There are a bunch of people who know Trump.
He did not say of people at Arlington National Cemetery that they were suckers and losers.
All of this is from an Atlantic story that was unsourced.
It was a bunch of Unverified sources, unnamed sources, okay?
And then there were people like John Bolton, who are no friends of Trump, who said, no, he never said anything.
He didn't cancel a visit to a gravesite in Europe because of his dislike for fallen soldiers or anything.
It was raining outside and it provided some actual problems for security.
That was her line, right?
Her line is Trump is mean to the military, of course.
And then she did this weird thing where she somehow disagreed with the killing of Qasem Soleimani, which was very odd.
So here was Kamala Harris.
Again, most of her attack lines last night were from two things, the Bob Woodward book and the Atlantic story.
That's pretty much what she had.
This is about a pattern of Donald Trump's, where he has referred to our men who are serving in our military as suckers and losers.
Donald Trump, who went to Arlington Cemetery and stood above the graves of our fallen heroes and said, what's in it for them?
Because, of course, you know, he only thinks about what's in it for him.
Let's take what he said about John McCain, a great American hero, public reporting that Russia had bounties on the heads of American soldiers.
Okay, we can stop there.
So a few things here.
One, I'm not going to hear about criticisms of John McCain from Democrats, who literally suggested that he was a racist back in 2008, and also that he was a decrepit person who couldn't use a keyboard when he had war injuries.
Also, that public reporting about Russian bounties is completely unverified.
In fact, that story basically fell apart.
Pence then knocked the Biden-Harris campaign on the fact that Joe Biden was against the killing of Osama bin Laden.
Trump made the call to kill Soleimani, correct call, and Biden held up when it came time to kill Osama bin Laden.
Qasem Soleimani, the Iranian general, was responsible for the death of hundreds of American service members.
When the opportunity came, we saw him headed to Baghdad to kill more Americans.
President Trump didn't hesitate, and Qasem Soleimani is gone.
But you deserve to know that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris actually criticized the decision to take out Qasem Soleimani.
It's really inexplicable.
But with regard to Joe Biden, it's explainable, because history records that Joe Biden actually opposed the raid against Osama bin Laden.
I have a question.
What is she shaking her head at?
She literally one second before said it was bad to kill Soleimani.
What's she shaking her head at?
Okay, then they moved to the Supreme Court.
And on the Supreme Court, once again, it was a giant fail for Kamala Harris.
So Pence began by pointing out that it was Kamala Harris who savaged Justice Kavanaugh.
and was brutal and vicious and lying about Justice Kavanaugh.
And he said, I hope that you don't treat Amy Coney Barrett with the same sort of disdain, especially people like you who have been ripping on people for their religion because you have actually ripped on federal judicial appointees who are members of things like the Knights of Columbus, calling them bigoted groups.
Here was Pence going after Harris.
President Trump and I could not be more enthusiastic about the opportunity to see Judge Amy Coney Barrett become Justice Amy Coney Barrett.
She's a brilliant woman.
And she will bring a lifetime of experience and a sizable American family to the Supreme Court of the United States.
And our hope is in the hearing next week, unlike Justice Kavanaugh received with treatment from you and others, we hope she gets a fair hearing.
And we particularly hope that we don't see the kind of attacks on her Christian faith that we saw before.
Senator, I know one of our judicial nominees you actually attacked because they were a member of the Catholic Knights of Columbus.
Okay, what's hilarious about this is that her response was, I'm a person of faith.
How dare you suggest that I would attack a person of faith?
You literally attacked somebody for being a member of the Knights of Columbus.
This does not hold water here from Kamala Harris.
Joe Biden and I are both people of faith, and it's insulting to suggest that we would knock anyone for their faith.
On the issue of this nomination, Joe and I are very clear, as are the majority of the American people, We are 27 days before the decision about who will be the next president of the United States.
And, you know, before when this conversation has come up, you know, it's been about election year or election time.
We're literally in an election.
There's the issue of choice.
And I will always fight for a woman's right to make a decision about her own body.
This is my favorite thing.
I would never attack anybody for their religion.
But also, there should be taxpayer-funded abortion and religious institutions should be forced to cover insurance that covers abortion.
So yes, I'm sure that your religious qualms would never prevent you from doing anything like that, Kamala Harris.
But when it came to court packing, this is really where it got ugly.
So she once again refused to answer whether she would pack to court.
And Pence really pushed her on it.
And she refused.
I mean, over and over and over again.
She kept saying, we're voting.
We're voting.
We're voting.
Yes, we know we're voting and we should know what we are voting for.
It makes a difference whether you and Joe Biden are going to change the number of people on the Supreme Court out of a pure revenge move because you don't like the fact that Ruth Bader Ginsburg died and Trump was in office.
So Pence pushed her on this.
And finally, he got a response from her.
She had no response.
She really didn't.
And so finally, she went to her default responses.
Her default responses throughout this debate were, you're a sexist, you're a sexist, stop interrupting me, you're a sexist.
And then finally, she went to her big gun, right?
You were waiting for her to go.
That was the little gun.
That was the Derringer.
Then she finally went to the shotgun.
The shotgun was, you're a rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Okay, I have a question.
I have a question.
Right. That's what she thought.
You knew she was going here and she finally got there.
How did she get there in the most bizarre possible fashion?
So she was like, are we going to pack the court?
Are we going to pack the court?
You're not appointing enough black justices.
OK, I have a question.
I have a question.
You like Clarence Thomas, do you?
Really?
How about if we appointed, like, Miguel Estrada?
You know, more people of color.
Because it seems like you treat black Republicans really well over there, Kamala.
It seems like you would care deeply if we appointed a bunch of textualists and originalists to the bench.
And if they were black, you'd be fine with that.
Or, alternatively, you're just a damned liar.
So here she was last night.
She wouldn't answer on court packing.
But in the end, it's Mike Pence's fault because the judges who are being appointed are not black enough or some such bullcrap.
You once again gave a non-answer.
Joe Biden gave a non-answer.
I'm trying to answer you now.
The American people deserve a straight answer.
And if you haven't figured it out yet, the straight answer is they are going to pack the Supreme Court if they somehow win this election.
Men and women, I've got to tell you, people across this country, if you cherish our Supreme Court, if you cherish the separation of powers, you need to reject the Biden-Harris ticket.
Yeah, let's talk about packing the court then.
Let's talk about the fact- Please.
Yeah, I'm about to.
Do you know that of the 50 people who President Trump appointed to the Court of Appeals for lifetime appointments, not one is black?
I just want the record to reflect she never answered the question.
Right, which is exactly- No, I'm about to.
I'm about to answer the question.
I'm about to.
Also, you're a racist!
Good answering the question there, Kamala.
And the media just let her get away with this crap.
They just let her get away with this crap.
Okay, the debate moved on to other topics.
So, some of the hotly fraught topics that came up in the debate last night.
One was the issue of race.
So, the moderator brought up the case of Breonna Taylor and said, was Breonna Taylor's, you know, the acquittal of the officers, was that justified?
And Kamala Harris, great legal mind, Her life was taken.
No, no, no, no, it was not justified.
It was not justified.
And then she talked, I couldn't believe this.
She actually talked about, you know, she talked about George Floyd.
And she said, the number of lies in this particular clip is extraordinary.
I mean, it's almost infinite.
It's like packing all of the dense matter of the universe into a single point before the big bang, except all of the matter is lies and the single point is this clip.
Here's Kamala Harris saying a bunch of untrue things in a row.
Her life was taken, unjustifiably and tragically and violently.
And it just, it brings me to, you know, the eight minutes and 46 seconds that America witnessed, during which an American man was tortured and killed under the knee of an armed, uniformed police officer.
Thanks for watching!
And people around our country of every race, Of every age, of every gender, perfect strangers to each other, marched shoulder to shoulder, arm in arm, fighting for us to finally achieve that ideal of equal justice under law.
And I was a part of those peaceful protests.
We need reform of our policing in America and our criminal justice system, which is why Joe and I will immediately ban chokeholds and carotid holes.
She said that George Floyd would be alive if that legislation had passed.
Okay, there's only one problem.
George Floyd, in all likelihood, would not be alive if that legislation had passed because he was not put in either a carotid or a chokehold.
And he died because he was on a dose of fentanyl that would kill a horse.
The autopsy found that he had fentanyl and meth in his system.
He was obviously experiencing excited delirium in the middle of that encounter.
When it comes to Breonna Taylor, it is tragic that she was killed.
She was killed because her boyfriend was firing a gun at the cops when they broke in the door in a legally performed search warrant.
And it is amazing to me that Democrats will simultaneously claim that outdoor open air events at the White House are very, very, very bad and very, very dangerous.
OK, fine.
And you don't get to talk about how you were marching shoulder to shoulder in the middle of a pandemic with millions of other people in a fight for, quote unquote, racial justice and completely overlooked the violence in the streets.
Here's Mike Pence pointing out many of these things.
It really is remarkable that as a former prosecutor, you would assume that an impaneled grand jury looking at all the evidence got it wrong.
But you're entitled to your opinion, Senator.
I think with regard to George Floyd, there's no excuse for what happened to George Floyd, and justice will be served.
But there's also no excuse for the rioting and looting that followed.
I mean, it really is astonishing.
Flora Westbrook is with us here tonight in Salt Lake City.
Just a few weeks ago, I stood at what used to be her salon.
It was burned to the ground.
By rioters and looters.
And Flora is still trying to put her life back together.
And I must tell you, this presumption that you hear consistently from Joe Biden and Kamala Harris that America is systemically racist, and that, as Joe Biden said, that he believes that law enforcement has an implicit bias against minorities, is a great insult to the men and women who serve in law enforcement.
And I want everyone to know who puts on the uniform of law enforcement every day that President Trump and I stand with you.
And it is remarkable that when Senator Tim Scott tried to pass a police reform bill, brought together a group of Republicans and Democrats, Senator Harris, you got up and walked out of the room.
And then you filibustered Senator Tim Scott's bill.
Okay, and that prompted her to bring up the great Trump loves white supremacists lie.
Again, so this was the pattern last night.
Everybody's a sexist for being mean to me, and then everybody's a racist for being mean to me.
So Harris immediately went to, well, Trump was never, he didn't condemn white supremacists.
And good for Mike Pence.
Mike Pence actually debunked this.
Now, here is the point at which the media starts to go nuts.
Why?
Well, because Kamala Harris is losing.
And as you'll see, there was a fly that landed on Mike Pence's head.
Ooh, a fly!
Well, I guess that we all have to go crazy over the fly, guys.
There's a fly on Mike Pence's head.
This is how stupid our politics are.
Our political analysts last night did not want to talk about the actual contents of the debate because Kamala Harris did terribly.
Instead, what they really, really wanted more than anything else in the world was to talk about this dumb fly on Mike Pence's head.
So here is Kamala Harris suggesting that Trump won't condemn white supremacists.
And then we'll get to Mike Pence completely rebutting this and going after the media.
This performance by Pence was excellent.
It was very, very good.
Here was Harris trotting out the Trump loves white supremacists lie.
I will not sit here and be lectured by the vice president on what it means to enforce the laws of our country.
I am the only one on this stage Who has personally prosecuted everything from child sexual assault to homicide.
The President of the United States took a debate stage in front of 70 million Americans and refused to condemn white supremacists.
He called Mexicans rapists and criminals.
He instituted as his first act a Muslim ban.
He, on the issue of Charlottesville, where people were peacefully protesting, The need for racial justice, where a young woman was killed, and on the other side there were neo-Nazis carrying tiki torches, shouting racial epithets, antisemitic slurs, and Donald Trump, when asked about it, said, They were fine people on both sides.
Okay, here is Mike Pence completely debunking this ridiculous talking point.
It is a ridiculous talking point.
Also, listening to Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party talk about anti-Semitic slurs while they maintain Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar and they continue to promote these anti-Semitic dullards is pretty impressive.
Here's Pence going after Harris.
You know, I think this is one of the things that makes people dislike the media so much in this country, Susan, is that you selectively edit, just like Senator Harris did, comments that President Trump and I and others on our side of the aisle make.
I mean, Senator Harris conveniently omitted after the president made comments about people on either side of the debate over monuments.
He condemned the KKK, neo-Nazis and white supremacists and has done so repeatedly.
You're concerned that he doesn't condemn neo-Nazis.
President Trump has Jewish grandchildren.
I'm glad you brought up your record, Senator.
Thank you.
I really need to make this point.
When you were DA in San Francisco, when you left office, African Americans were 19 times more likely to be prosecuted for minor drug offenses than whites and Hispanics.
When you were Attorney General of California, you increased the disproportionate incarceration of blacks in California.
You did nothing on criminal justice reform in California.
You didn't lift a finger to pass the First Step Act on Capitol Hill.
I mean, the reality is your record speaks for itself.
She's caught out.
You can tell her starting to chuckle there.
That's the Tulsi Gabbard attack.
She still has not found an answer to the Tulsi Gabbard attack.
Now, how do you know for a fact that it was a truly terrible performance by Kamala Harris?
You can tell by the media coverage.
So the media coverage was completely about how Kamala Harris was the victim of a racist attack.
So CNN did a post-debate snap poll where it said that 6 in 10 said Harris won, 38% said Mike Pence had a better night.
Well, going in, 61% said they thought Harris would win and 36% thought Pence would win.
So basically nobody changed their mind.
Big shocker there because everybody is really sort of ensconced in their particular corner.
Which just shows how much this whole campaign has been dominated by the personality of President Trump.
But you can tell by how the media are covering this who they think won.
New York Times headline, a fly landed on Mike Pence's head during the VP debate for two minutes.
The Hill, Biden fund raises off a fly on Pence's head.
CNN, fly lands on Mike Pence's head during debate.
Vox, the fly on Mike Pence's head was the real winner of the 2020 vice presidential debate.
Washington Post, an exclusive interview with the fly from the debate.
Joe Biden tweeted out a picture of himself with a fly swatter saying he wanted to fundraise.
First of all, Joe Biden is more likely to smack himself in the face with a fly swatter than properly swat a fly at this point in his geriatric life.
How ridiculous was the media coverage of this?
The media coverage was ridiculous through and through.
They had only a couple narratives coming out of this.
One was Kamala Harris is a victim.
And the other, of course, is that there was a fly at the debate.
Those were the two narratives.
So Steve Schmidt, who is, of course, a former Republican.
Now he is a complete never Trump crazy person.
He said on MSNBC that the fly landing on Mike Pence was a sign that he was Satan.
Here was Steve Schmidt last night.
I mean, I don't think it's ever a good sign when a fly lands on your head for two minutes.
You know, that's a sign all through history of sin, and historically, biblically, maybe you wouldn't normally say this after, you wouldn't, it's only safe to say this, sorry, after midnight, but, you know, a fly, he who commands the fly has always been seen historically as the mark of the devil.
It didn't stop there, obviously.
You got Andrea Mitchell.
Andrea Mitchell then went to the mansplaining, mansplaining.
Susan Page interrupted her!
I asked a man I know what he thought of the debate.
He said the debate was over when she said, Mr. Vice President, you are interrupting me.
Then she needs to hang out with like men who exist, not ones that exist in her imagination.
You know, like men who are biologically men, because that's crazy.
Okay, the minute she said, you're interrupting me, Susan Page interrupted her.
We showed you the clip.
Susan Page interrupted her, and then Pence jumped in.
And then she's like, well, she said, stop interrupting me to a man that was standing up for women everywhere.
Woo, women power.
This was the talking point in the media.
As soon as you are relegated to saying that she was the victim of Pence's wild sexism?
Yeah, good luck with that.
Van Jones on CNN did the same thing.
He suggested that Pence was the quote-unquote mansplainer-in-chief.
Just because he is a man and he is explaining things does not mean he is mansplaining things.
He was not talking down to Kamala Harris.
It's a political debate, you idiots!
It's a political debate.
Here was Van Jones trying to try out this tired talking point.
She was not overly assertive throughout this entire debate.
Pence was a mansplainer in chief.
Mike Mansplainer all night.
I understand that.
And then you get George Stephanopoulos, the Keebler elf, suggesting there was tons of mansplaining last night.
Just endless, endless mansplaining last night from George Stephanopoulos, objective news anchor.
Because obviously, Mike Pence, as a former television commentator, does have a very calm demeanor.
But I think a lot of people were noticing some mansplaining going on tonight.
OK, Nicole Wallace on MSNBC, she did the same thing, but she didn't just go there.
She got full on sexist against Mike Pence.
OK, so you're allowed to.
You're not allowed to interrupt Kamala Harris under any circumstances ever, ever, ever.
If you do, you're a sexist.
Stop it.
You're a bad person.
Cut it out.
OK, but but Nicole Wallace literally called Mike Pence flaccid and limp.
In the debate.
Oh, is she making a pun about his penis?
Yes, of course she is, because you're allowed to say whatever you want about men in our society.
But if you interrupt a woman, if you so much as interrupt a woman during a debate, it's because you hate women, you see.
You hate them.
HATE them.
She said the only people they have in their coalition, after last week's barn burger from Trump, were the grievance voters.
This will not land well with them.
And then she suggested that perhaps, she actually went on to suggest, Nicole Wallace, that perhaps Mike Pence was feeling under the weather, right?
She started talking about the fact that his eyes looked a little pink.
So maybe he has COVID.
So that's her narrative now.
We're going to speculate about Mike Pence's health.
Maybe he has COVID.
Who the hell knows?
Maybe he does.
Mark Ruffalo signed in as well to join in the fun.
The idiot actor.
A man with fewer than 10 brain cells to rub together.
He tweeted out, just going over it all in my head, I have a question.
Pence constantly interrupted and spoke over Kamala Harris was the prime example of white male supremacy and its common dismissal and disrespect for black women.
I have a question.
Let's say that the sexes had been reversed.
And let's say that Kamala Harris had been the one who mildly interrupted Mike Pence and Pence had said, you're interrupting me, you're interrupting me, stop interrupting Then they would claim that he was being defensive and aggressive with Kamala Harris.
There is in fact a double standard, but the double standard is applied against men and not against women in these circumstances.
That is perfectly obvious.
It's been obvious from the media coverage since before the debate.
This is ridiculous.
S.C.
Cupp on CNN.
She did the same thing.
She said that she blasted Mike Pence.
She said his debate was infuriating.
He made her skin crawl.
Skin crawl, you see.
I know Mike Pence, I've met Mike Pence, I've interviewed Mike Pence, and at one time I found him very impressive.
Tonight, he made my skin crawl, and I think showed that you can be insulting without using insults.
You know, the constant interruptions, the mansplaining, the condescending, to both of the women on that stage tonight, and the not answering questions, the gaslighting, I found infuriating.
Okay, this is just, I'm sorry, it's very silly.
It is very obvious Pence won.
The media's coverage proves that Pence won.
Okay, so now here's the question.
Can this turn into momentum?
Can this turn into momentum?
And the answer is maybe, but Trump has to get out of his own way.
Once again, this campaign is not about Mike Pence.
If Pence were the presidential candidate, I think the Republican ticket would now be ahead in the polls.
Donald Trump needs to get out of his own way.
He needs to do the same defense of his policies that Pence did.
He can do it in Trumpian fashion, he can.
But he needs to actively defend his own policies rather than fulminating over whatever he saw on the TVs today.
And if that happens, maybe this thing turns around.
If it doesn't, then the problems will continue for the Trump campaign.
But, again, I think the takeaway last night is that Trump's policies are excellent, how do you know?
Because Mike Pence was able to win going away, win in a walk, against Kamala Harris simply by saying the policies out loud and pointing out that Democrats have never had to answer a single difficult question about their own policies and, in fact, refuse to answer their own policies right now.
If you listened to Kamala Harris last night, Democrats are the parties of anti-Green New Deal, low taxes, and pro-fracking.
As Elizabeth Brooding, an actual socialist writing for the Washington Post said, it seems like if this is the new Democratic Party, they've left the left completely behind.
Of course it isn't.
They're lying.
But it just demonstrates how much they have to lie in order to convince the American people they are not who they actually are.
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