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June 20, 2019 - The Ben Shapiro Show
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Open Season On Biden! | Ep. 805
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Democrats pounce on Joe Biden after he talks about working with segregationist senators.
Democrats push slavery reparations in the run-up to 2020.
And Chuck Todd runs afoul of the woke schools.
I'm Ben Shapiro.
This is the Ben Shapiro Show.
All righty.
So we begin today not with segregationist senators or reparations We begin today with the breaking news that Iran yesterday shot down a U.S.
drone, according to the New York Times, escalating tensions.
Iran shot down a U.S.
surveillance drone early on Thursday, according to both nations.
The nations differed on the crucial issue of whether the aircraft had violated Iranian airspace in the latest escalation in tensions that have raised fears of war between the two countries.
I do love, again, the sort of cycle of violence language that is used by the New York Times.
It's just the latest escalation in tensions.
Generalized tensions out there in the universe that have raised fear of war.
Actually, it's just that Iran keeps bombing things and, like, shooting things down.
The United States has taken no aggressive military action against Iran, as in none, going all the way back to the Obama administration, when the Iranians were taking prisoner American soldiers.
Iranian officials said that the drone was over Iran.
The American military denied that.
Each side accused the other of being the aggressor.
Obviously, we should take the Iranian contentions with all of the All of the verifiable, I think, truth that they deserve.
I think we should absolutely take Iran's contentions seriously, because they never lie about these things, like wanting to develop nuclear weapons, or bombing ships, or anything supporting terrorists.
They're perfectly honest.
Obviously, we should take the contentions of the American government and the Iranian government with exactly the same amount of seriousness.
Both of the countries said the downing occurred at 4.05 Iranian time on Thursday, 7.35pm on Wednesday in Washington.
The drone was shot down by an Iranian surface-to-air missile system while operating in international airspace over the Strait of Hormuz, according to U.S.
CENTCOM.
Again, the Strait of Hormuz is the geographic region that is the source of a lot of this tension right now because the Iranians are effectively seeking to bottleneck all oil traffic through the Strait of Hormuz, which is responsible for an enormous amount of the world's oil market.
They're hoping to drive up the price of oil artificially by preventing a solid supply through the Strait of Hormuz.
The United States said this was an unprovoked attack on a U.S.
surveillance asset in international airspace.
An Iranian attack on an American aircraft, even an unmanned drone, adds a potential flashpoint to the growing list of recent clashes.
Also, the White House had late night meetings yesterday.
Sarah Huckabee Sanders told news outlets that the president had been briefed on the missile attack and that the administration was monitoring the situation.
And then President Trump went on Twitter this morning and he tweeted out, Iran made a very big mistake.
So if we end up going to war on the basis of a tweet, I'll say it's not ideal.
Like we used to have a procedure for this where you went to Congress for permission to go to war and all of this sort of thing.
But it is a little funny.
Downside, not constitutional.
Upside, kind of hilarious.
I mean that Quentin Tarantino kind of... This is like old school Clint Eastwood.
You can just see Trump growling to himself.
Iran made a very big mistake.
And then it's just the bombs launch in five minutes.
OK, so are we actually going to get into a shooting war with Iran?
I think that is very, very unlikely.
The fact is that that is the last thing the Iranians want.
Forget about what we want.
The last thing that the Iranians want is a full scale shooting war with the United States.
The fact is we could just sink their military the way that we did the the Iranian military back during Operation Praying Mantis.
But Iran's continual escalation of affairs is going to lead at some point to the United States having to take some sort of action here.
And it's not going to be economic action.
So that's not going to devolve into a full scale shooting war.
It's funny because the press seems to think that every time the United States fires a shot, that this ends in World War Two.
That is not the case.
You know how many times the United States has fired missiles into particular areas?
You know, I mean, we did it under Trump to Syria like two years ago.
It didn't devolve into a full scale war between Syria and the United States.
And we have American troops in Syria right now.
So, you know, I'm skeptical of the claim that the Trump administration is ready to send 150,000, 200,000 American troops into the middle of the Middle East.
That is just not something that is really on the table.
So we'll keep an eye on that, obviously, and we'll keep an eye on President Trump's Twitter feed to determine if he decides to announce any targets via Twitter.
I guess that's how we're doing this thing now.
We're just going to wait, and he's going to be like, yeah, I tell this beach house, go.
We'll find out, man.
OK, meanwhile, Joe Biden, they're coming for old Joe.
So I've been predicting this since the day that Joe Biden decided that he was going to run for president, is that all the guns would turn on old Joe.
And I have to admit, if old Joe had not spent the last few years being Just a terrible politician, then I'd feel a lot more sympathy for him because the attacks on Joe Biden today are extraordinarily unfair.
I mean, just in all intellectual honesty, they are really, really unfair attacks on Joe Biden.
Now, here's the thing.
Joe Biden has expressed sympathy for segregationist senators in the past.
Joe Biden has actually said nice things about segregationist senators in the past.
Not because they were segregationists, per se, but because he says lots of nice things about lots of senators because he was, wait for it, in the Senate.
This is just something that happens in the Senate.
There are lots of people in Congress who praise each other on a regular basis.
But now, this is just terrible.
How dare Joe Biden suggest that he was once civil to people with whom he radically Disagrees.
And again, this is, as I say, it's not unusual.
Steve Kornacki, who works over at NBC News, national political correspondent, he points out that Ted Kennedy used to talk about his warm collegial relationship with James Eastland, the senator at issue, in Joe Biden's comments.
Does that mean that Ted Kennedy was a vicious, brutal racist?
Is that what's going on there?
I really don't think so.
Nonetheless, Joe Biden stepped in it because you're not allowed to acknowledge the humanity of people who you disagree with, even people who you think are truly wrong about everything and hold evil principles.
You're not allowed to acknowledge their humanity or acknowledge that if you sit in the Senate with them, that sometimes you have to make deals with them.
That's very bad.
Not allowed to do that.
Instead, you have to virtue signal at every turn.
And not get things done in the Senate, I suppose.
So here is what happened, to break it down.
So Joe Biden was speaking at a fundraiser at the Carlisle Hotel in New York City on Tuesday night.
And he stressed the need to be able to reach consensus under our system.
And he specifically talked about serving with the late Senators James Eastland of Mississippi and Herman Talmadge of Georgia.
Both Democrats were staunch opponents of desegregation.
Eastland was the powerful chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee when Biden entered the chamber in 1973.
Biden said, I was in a caucus with James O'Eastland.
He never called me boy.
He always called me son.
And he called Talmadge one of the meanest guys I ever knew.
You go down the list of all these guys.
He said, well, guess what?
At least there was some civility.
We got things done.
We didn't agree on much of anything.
We got things done.
We got it finished.
But today you look at the other side and you're the enemy, not the opposition, the enemy.
We don't talk to each other anymore.
Oh, so this is enough to ruin Joe Biden.
I mean, they are coming for him and they are coming with pitchforks.
They're coming with pitchforks.
I'll get to exactly the angle of attack in one second.
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Okay, so Joe Biden had the gall, the temerity, to suggest that if you really disliked somebody, if you held principles different from somebody else, if you didn't agree with somebody, you still had to get things done in the Senate.
This is very bad.
You're not allowed to say that in the modern Democratic Party.
And so it was woke, scold, activate.
Now, this is all cynical.
We all know how cynical this is.
Joe Biden was not saying that the segregationist principles of these senators were good.
He was not saying that these were good, wonderful men.
There's no evidence that he said that about these guys.
Instead, he said that we tried to be civil, and we achieved civility, and we worked together.
I thought for a second that that was what politics was all about, actually.
But no, it turns out that politics is more about showing that you hate somebody more than the other guy hates that person.
So all of the Democrats in the 2020 race jump on Joe Biden.
Specifically, this is a rich vein for them because Joe Biden is doing exceedingly well with black voters right now.
He's doing great with black voters right now.
And so there are a bunch of candidates ranging from Kamala Harris to Cory Booker, specifically Cory Booker, who really needs a lot of black support if he's going to start climbing in the polls.
He's got no white support at this point.
Elizabeth Warren jumping into the fray as well.
Bernie Sanders jumping into the fray.
Everybody jumping on Joe Biden with the suggestion that, what, like he's too friendly towards segregation?
So a couple of questions on this.
One, if Joe Biden was truly friendly towards segregation, why didn't anybody in the media notice this for, you know, the eight years when he was vice president under a black president?
Why did nobody notice this?
Because it turns out that Joe Biden has bragged before on national television that he comes from a slave state, for example.
He did this back in 2007, I believe.
Why exactly didn't anybody notice this at the time?
Weird.
Weird how the media are finally starting to pay attention to Joe Biden's odd musings on race.
I mean, this is old stuff, but hadn't heard this surfaced until Democrats decided, hey, wait a second, we have some questions about old Joe.
Isn't it odd how we only find out that Beto O'Rourke was part of a hacking group and is also a giant weirdo with no political abilities as soon as he stops running against Ted Cruz?
Isn't it weird that we only find out that Joe Biden is apparently a weirdo on race as soon as he starts running against a bunch of Democrats the media like better than Joe Biden?
Hmm.
It's as though there's an agenda at work.
Hmm.
Here's Joe Biden flashback.
What kind of a chance would a Northeastern liberal like Joe Biden stand in the South if you were running in Democratic primaries against Southerners like Mark Warner and John Edwards?
Better than anybody else.
And you don't know my state.
My state was a slave state.
My state is a border state.
My state is the eighth largest black population in the country.
My state is anything from a northeast liberal state.
You probably shouldn't drop at the very beginning that it was a slave state as like a thing that you are bragging about.
That's not like a good thing, actually.
Obviously, he's not saying that it being a slave state was a good thing.
And this is the thing.
When Joe Biden was on the good side of the media, everybody sort of took his words for him just being an idiot and him gaffing.
And now everybody is taking it as though he is a borderline vicious racist.
And then they're using plausible deniability.
So this was the strategy of Cory Booker.
who came out and effectively suggested that he was a racist and then ran to his crying room and hid as soon as Joe Biden called him on it.
So Cory Booker put out a statement about Joe Biden.
He said, Vice President Biden's relationships with proud segregationists are not the model for how we make America a safer and more inclusive place for black people and for everyone.
perpetuate white supremacy, and strip black Americans of our very humanity.
Vice President Biden's relationships with proud segregationists are not the model for how we make America a safer and more inclusive place for black people and for everyone.
I have to tell Vice President Biden, as someone I respect, he is wrong for using his relationships with Eastland and Talmadge as examples of how to bring our country together.
And frankly, I'm disappointed he hasn't issued an immediate apology for the pain his words are dredging up for many Americans.
He should.
So Cory Booker goes out and attacks Biden.
And he's effectively calling him a racist.
I know.
Cory Booker then claims, no, no, I wasn't calling him racist.
So then what are you complaining about?
Like really, what's the complaint?
If you're not suggesting that he is a closet segregationist, or has closet segregationist sympathies, or that he's treating segregation and segregationists with too kind a hand, and that that has nothing to do with racism, then what exactly is the complaint?
Pretty obvious what the complaint is.
It's pretty obvious what Cory Booker is doing here and the rest of the Democratic candidates.
It is deeply cynical.
It's really, really cynical.
We'll get to Joe Biden's response, what the rest of the Democrats had to say about this, what exactly they're trying to do, and why Joe Biden, frankly, is suffering from a bit of schadenfreude.
He kind of deserves it.
We'll get to that in just one second.
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Okay, so Cory Booker comes after Joe Biden.
And it's not just Cory Booker, obviously.
It's also Bernie Sanders, who is fading in the polling, desperately trying to grasp with all of his socialist might, all of the might left in the tips of those pudding stained fingers.
He's trying to grip onto whatever level of support he still has.
So Joe Biden, so Joe Biden attacked by Bernie Sanders, Bernie Sanders with block of wood, Chris Cuomo.
Look, we all have to work with people with whom we have very different points of view.
I do it every day.
But I think to be singing the praises My goodness.
Okay, I mean, that is so... I mean, Chris Cuomo actually saying a true thing.
Good for Chris Cuomo there, by the way.
Like, saying a true thing, every so often it happens.
I'm not so sure about that, but that's all. - My goodness.
Okay, I mean, that is so, I mean, Chris Cuomo actually saying a true thing.
Good for Chris Cuomo there, by the way.
Like saying a true thing, every so often it happens.
Broken clock is right twice a day.
But the fact that Bernie said, well, I don't know, maybe he actually loves segregation secretly.
Weird.
You weren't saying that like five seconds ago when he was vice president of the United States.
Very, very odd to see all these Democrats suddenly realizing that old Joe is a vicious racist.
As I say, there's some schadenfreude to this.
I mean, it was Joe Biden who was calling Mitt Romney a vicious racist five minutes ago, based on literally nothing, because Joe Biden is just as scuzzy a politician as all the rest of these, as all the rest of these dolts.
Here is Joe Biden doing this routine back in 2012.
Look at their budget and what they're proposing.
Romney wants to let the, he said in the first hundred days, he's going to let the big banks once again, write their own rules.
Unchain Wall Street.
They're gonna put y'all back in chains.
He said that in front of a black audience.
Gonna put y'all back in chains.
So he deserves everything that he is getting on just a cosmic level.
But it is kind of hilarious to watch, and sad in the sense that if you like truth, it's sad, to watch these Democrats pile on Biden for making the fairly innocuous remark that a bunch of people, he was taking an extreme example.
The example doesn't work if he says, you know who I agreed with a lot, John McCain, and then we made deals.
That doesn't actually work.
The entire example that he was using is predicated on the fact that he disagreed with someone and thought that they were bad people.
That's the whole example.
The left has gone so far that I'm now defending Joe Biden.
What have you people done to me?
How am I the Joe Biden defender today?
Because I still care a little bit about honesty, and Democratic candidates don't, apparently.
So Senator Kamala Harris, who is also black and also running for president and also cynical, said, if those men had their way, I wouldn't be in the United States Senate and on this elevator right now.
She's talking about Senators Eastland and Talmadge.
Right?
So what does that have to do with what Joe Biden said?
And then you have Bill de Blasio, who strangled a groundhog and then went on Twitter and wrote, it's 2019.
And Joe Biden is longing for the good old days of civility, typified by James Eastland.
It's past time for apologies or evolution from Joe Biden.
He repeatedly demonstrates he's out of step with the values of the modern Democratic Party.
And then in the most cynical fashion, de Blasio tweets out a picture of himself with his wife, who happens to be black.
The idea being, I suppose, that Joe Biden would have opposed that or is OK with people who oppose that or something.
Pretty amazing, amazing stuff.
Now, Joe, and by the way, the most extreme folks, of course, are the woke scolds on the left who come for Joe Biden.
Dan Savage, who is just a disgusting human being.
I mean, Dan Savage is the worst in a variety of ways.
A man so gross that he once volunteered for the Gary Bauer campaign in 2000.
And because he hated Gary Bauer, when he obtained the flu, Dan Savage, he decided to go around licking the doorknobs in the office so as to give all of the other staffers the flu.
So Dan Savage, who is now the voice of tolerance, Apparently.
He runs one of these anti-bullying groups, even though he is one of the bigger bullies in modern media.
He tweeted out, What a kind, anti-bullying guy Dan Savage is.
had a racist bone in your body when you were just sucking a dead segregationist bleep.
What a kind anti-bullying guy Dan Savage is.
Really, really nice guy, Dan Savage.
My favorite part of this is when there was an MSNBC anchor yesterday talking about all of this, and the MSNBC anchor called all of the segregationist senators Republicans.
And MSNBC has issued no apology or correction, by the way.
These were all Democrats.
Still to come, Joe Biden references his relationships with two former Republican colleagues at an event in New York City.
The only problem?
They were both segregationists.
Well, there was another problem, which is that they were both Democrats.
But, you know, I guess MSNBC doesn't care about that sort of stuff.
OK, so Cory Booker says what he says, and he is leading the charge here because Cory Booker is desperately trying to wrest away control of some segment of the black vote, particularly in southern primaries like South Carolina, away from Joe Biden.
And Joe Biden responds exactly how Joe Biden should respond, frankly.
I mean, Joe Biden should say he should have responded this way on the Hyde Amendment.
Joe Biden's entire appeal right now is with the moderate and conservative segments of the Democratic Party, which, yes, does still exist.
If you look at the polls right now, he is extraordinarily narrowly leading the rest of the field among liberals.
It's like 25 to 24 over people like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.
OK, but when it comes to when it comes to moderate voters in the Democratic Party, conservative voters, he's up on the rest of the field by a margin of 30 points.
If he starts to fade because he starts to kowtow on things like the Hyde Amendment, if he kowtows here, then he's admitting guilt and he can't do that and he shouldn't do that.
So Joe Biden responds, in my opinion, particularly appropriately here.
He slaps at Cory Booker.
You're not allowed to do this, by the way, according to the media.
If you slap at Cory Booker so that they have this catch 22, Cory Booker effectively implies that you are secretly a racist or two kinds of racists.
And then you respond the way Biden does.
And then they call you a racist for responding to Cory Booker.
Here is Joe Biden trying to respond.
How does it feel that your Democratic rivals are implicitly saying that you have issues talking about race?
They know better.
Are you going to apologize like Cory Booker has called for?
Cory Booker has called for it.
He's asking you to apologize.
He knows better.
I'm not a racist bone in my body.
I've been involved in civil rights my whole career.
Period.
Okay, he is right.
And Cory Booker does know better.
Cory Booker is a cynical player.
A very cynical player.
There are people who know him going back to his days in Newark, where he was pretending to cultivate bipartisan relationships, which he abandoned as soon as he became a senator from New Jersey.
He has shifted his positions on a wide variety of issues.
He knows better than this.
He routinely castigates people he pretends to be friends with, Cory Booker.
Joe Biden is 100% right about this.
We'll get to Cory Booker's response.
So Cory Booker then goes on CNN last night and plays the victim.
Now Cory Booker, who attacked Biden over something Biden said that actually should not be all that controversial.
Again, I hate segregationists.
Segregationists are wrong.
Their perspective is evil.
They were also sitting in the United States Senate and you had to work with them to get things done sometimes.
If this is the new Democratic Party, then, you know, count anyone of reasonable dint out.
Here's Cory Booker being interviewed on CNN by, who is this, Don Lemon interviewing him?
Yeah, Don Lemon on CNN and Cory Booker attacking Joe Biden anew.
Are you going to apologize?
Uh, you know, the vice president said I should know better, and this is what I know.
As a black man in America, I know the deeply harmful and hurtful usage of the word boy and how it was used to dehumanize and degrade.
This is deeply disappointing.
We waited for him to apologize.
He didn't, until the next day.
And whether I'm running for president or not, as many people today have been, on Juneteenth no less, calling out for the vice president to acknowledge that his words were harmful and hurtful.
On Juneteenth no less?
Yeah, you're right.
Probably Joe Biden, you know, opposed the Emancipation Proclamation, which is what is what Juneteenth is celebrating.
He's so cynical, Cory Booker.
My goodness.
He is.
He is a he is a rehearsed, mechanical, cynical guy.
I mean, that is a cynical dude right there.
And Joe Biden has every right to fire back on Cory Booker.
And he shouldn't stop firing back on Cory Booker because what Booker is doing there is really, really ugly.
Really ugly.
Biden's spokesperson came out yesterday and talked about this as well, pointed that there's a need to done Biden campaign surrogate and former Obama staffer very early on in his in his campaign in 2008.
And she points out that both Booker and Elizabeth Warren, who also attacked Biden over this, have touted their work with GOP senators in the past, which is all that Biden was doing here.
But again, this is a cynical ploy to separate Biden from a black base of support.
That's all this is.
I work all the time with members of the other party whose positions are repugnant to all of us as Democrats.
You know, Cory Booker, who has worked with Jeff Sessions on many things.
Elizabeth Warren talks about how she's worked with Chuck Grassley, who led the fight for Brett Kavanaugh, and who wouldn't even meet with Merrick Garland.
And Elizabeth Warren tells the story about how she has worked with Chuck Grassley for over-the-counter hearing aids to save money for people.
The reality is that at some point— But none of these people are currently espousing segregationist views.
OK, so Anita Dunn getting just raked over the coals for all of this, and the media going out and really digging up as much material as they possibly can on Joe Biden now.
So it's open season on Joe Biden.
And again, this is all really cynical.
All this stuff has been out there for a very long time.
Joe Biden did not say anything here that is particularly new or groundbreaking.
The new implication that Joe Biden is secretly a racist or the times have passed him by, it's a cynical invention.
Again, I don't like Joe Biden.
I think Joe Biden is just as cynical as many of the politicians attacking him today.
What I do hate is people who are lying.
And what we are watching right now are a bunch of people who are telling deliberate lies about Joe Biden, specifically because they are looking to open a racial gap.
Reopening racial gaps in the country to suggest that America is rife with racism to get ahead politically is one of the ugliest aspects of our politics right now.
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Okay, so speaking of reopening racial wounds deliberately in order to make political hay, the entire Democratic Party is now engaged in this process.
They're reopening racial wounds by talking about slavery reparations.
Now, I think we can all acknowledge and in fact fought a giant war to acknowledge that slavery was a grave evil.
I think that everyone acknowledges at this point in American life, 50 years after the Civil Rights Act, I think everyone acknowledges that Jim Crow Was deeply evil.
Was a deeply evil thing.
I don't think you can find an American in public life who will argue that Jim Crow was not a deeply evil thing.
I don't think you can find many Americans at all.
As in, like, you might be able to count them on one hand and they all hang out with Richard Spencer.
I think that there are very few Americans who are walking around going, you know what would be great?
A systemized way of keeping the black person down.
I'm like that that is not a thing in modern America.
I know that this is anathema to the left.
Many folks on the left want to suggest that racism is inherent in American life.
It's the it's the stain in our DNA that will never go away.
Barack Obama used to make claims like this when he was president.
I thought it was ugly then.
I think it's ugly now.
Talking about slavery reparations, which is inherently unworkable.
This is the thing about slavery reparations.
Not a single proponent of slavery reparations has ever put forth a proposal that makes any sort of logical, reasonable, legal sense.
None.
The only reason to discuss this is to imply that people who oppose slavery reparations don't do so on the basis of impracticality or the immorality of slavery reparations.
They do so on the basis of pure, unadulterated racism because they don't take the legacy of racism and slavery seriously enough.
That's the implication Democrats are trying to draw here, which is why I think that they were having congressional hearings on an issue that is never going anywhere.
That's why they did this because they had congressional hearings yesterday.
Now, let me just point out that among the brutal, vicious racists who once opposed slavery reparations is Barack Obama.
Here's Barack Obama circa 2008 being asked about slavery reparations.
Every single Democratic candidate Opposed slavery reparations in 2008, except for Dennis Kucinich, who is considered a nutjob because he is a nutjob.
Here's Barack Obama answering the question.
Senator Obama, your position on reparations?
I think the reparations we need right here in South Carolina is investment, for example, in our schools.
I did a town hall meeting in Florence, South Carolina, in an area called the Corridor of Shame.
They've got buildings that students are trying to learn in that were built right after the Civil War.
And we've got teachers who are not trained to teach the subjects they're teaching in, high dropout rates.
We've got to understand that there are corridors of shame all across the country.
And if we make the investments and understand that those are our children, that's the kind of reparations that are really going to make a difference.
Okay, so it used to be okay to say this sort of stuff.
It used to be fine to say this sort of thing.
No longer, apparently.
Apparently, you're no longer allowed to say anything remotely approaching this.
If you do, this means you're a racist.
I guess Barack Obama back in 2008 was a racist because he refused to take into account the legacy of slavery.
That apparently is according to Senator Cory Booker.
So Booker, who again is trying to make his bones by bringing race to the center of the national conversation once again.
He was called to testify in front of the House Democrats as part of his 2020 campaign.
That is the only reason he's there.
There's nothing that makes Cory Booker an expert on reparations.
There's nothing that makes Cory Booker an expert on slavery.
There's nothing that makes Cory Booker an expert on the wealth gap.
There's nothing that makes Cory Booker an expert on any of these topics.
And yet he ends up in front of the House committee where he basically gets to do a presidential stump speech about how America is inherently and brutally racist.
I wonder about having the last word.
What happens when the last word is no words?
When it gets silence?
And I feel a sense of anger where we are in the United States of America, where we have not had direct conversations about a lot of the root causes of the inequities and the pain and the hurt manifested in economic disparities, manifested in health disparities, manifested in a criminal justice system that is indeed a form of new Jim Crow.
And so we as a nation have not yet truly acknowledged and grappled with racism and white supremacy that has tainted this country's founding and continues to persist in those deep racial disparities and inequalities today.
Okay, we can stop him there.
This is such absolute unmitigated nonsense.
The idea that we have not had these conversations and are not having these conversations, there's a reason Ta-Nehisi Coates is famous.
It's not because he's a wonderful writer.
He's famous.
James Baldwin is famous.
There are lots of famous black authors who have written on these topics for decades.
We've not been having a racial conversation in this country for years?
Truly?
That's the line that Cory Booker is going with?
We'll get to Ta-Nehisi Coates, who was also called to testify because he wrote a very purple essay for The Atlantic a few years back about slavery reparations.
The entire essay was basically him describing how evil slavery was.
Agree.
Truly evil.
Maybe we should have fought a war that killed 600,000 Americans to end it.
Oh wait, we did.
Maybe then we should have spent a century in the North trying to overturn the legacy of Jim Crow.
Maybe we should have passed a Civil Rights Act, a very far-ranging Civil Rights Act in the 1960s.
Maybe we should have spent decades since then trying to construct government policy to stop state-sponsored racism.
Maybe we should have done all...
We've been having these conversations.
I'm bewildered by folks who say we have not been having these conversations.
Of course we've been having the conversations.
Just because people disagree with you on policy doesn't mean the conversation hasn't taken place.
We'll get to more of this in just a second.
We'll get to Ta-Nehisi Coates' commentary, which is very much like Cory Booker's commentary, the idea being that slavery is responsible and Jim Crow is responsible for all disparity between black and white income and wealth in America and therefore reparations are necessary.
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The answer, some, but not nearly all.
We're gonna talk about whether it is the same thing to deserve a reparation as it is to actually suggest that a reparation would be helpful, which is kind of a separate question.
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Like, the thing about James Baldwin is dude was actually a really talented writer.
Ta-Nehisi Coates, I think, is one of the more overrated writers and muddy thinkers in America right now.
I just think that his thinking is messy and muddy and chaotic.
There are a lot of thinkers like that at the New York Times, and Ta-Nehisi Coates, not at the New York Times, also a muddy thinker.
In any case, Ta-Nehisi Coates steps up in front of the committee, and you'll see him basically wrap everything into a ball.
So it's like, slavery is bad.
Agree.
Jim Crow, bad.
Agree.
Also, all discrimination, all disparity is discrimination.
Don't agree.
Also, some people have been victimized.
Maybe they deserve some form of recompense.
Maybe agree.
Also, the only way to heal our national wound is to do this.
Disagree.
He just wraps all of this up in a ball, and then throws it out there as though this is self-justifying, incorrect.
Okay, here's Ta-Nehisi Coates.
It was 150 years ago, and it was right now.
The typical black family in this country has one-tenth the wealth of the typical white family.
Black women die in childbirth at four times the rate of white women.
And there is, of course, the shame of this land of the free, boasting the largest prison population on the planet, of which the descendants of the enslaved make up the largest share.
The matter of reparations is one of making amends and direct redress.
But it is also a question of citizenship.
In HR 40, this body has a chance to both make good on its 2009 apology for enslavement and reject fair weather patriotism.
Okay, so him wrapping up all of these statistics here, you know, trying to suggest that the difference between black women dying in childbirth and white women dying in childbirth, that that is a reflection of slavery or Jim Crow.
They didn't have slavery or Jim Crow for a long time over in Europe.
And in Europe, the black and white birth rates, death during birth rates are very similar to the United States.
So there's just not a lot of evidence to support all that.
So basically the argument for reparations is threefold.
It's threefold.
And there's some, and we'll talk about sort of the merits and demerits of each of these arguments, because I think that it is worthy of examination since we are talking about it.
So, number one, there is this idea that there are folks who are living today who deserve recompense for things that are done 150 years ago.
Typically, the answer to that is no.
If somebody hasn't done anything to you in your lifetime, you do not deserve recompense for that.
If somebody has done something to you now, you deserve recompense to that.
So, I have a lot of sympathy for the idea that if you are a person who lived during the Jim Crow South, and you were deprived of the ability to buy a house, then at least there's a feeling that you deserve some sort of recompense from the people who are trying to harm you.
But you have to have been specifically harmed.
In other words, I'm a Jew.
I didn't get any sort of redress from the German government for the Holocaust, because my family was over in America, my direct family.
We had extended family in the Holocaust, but my direct family was over here.
So I'm not owed anything by the German government in Holocaust reparations.
If, however, somebody survives the Holocaust, they get some sort of reparations from the German government.
That makes some sort of sense.
You suffer the harm.
You deserve some sort of recompense.
Instead, what is being done is to broaden that concept out to the idea that if you are black in America, just inherently, right now, you don't have to show any evidence that you were specifically targeted by Jim Crow or by slavery.
You can't by slavery because it's been a while.
And Jim Crow, it's hard to say that Jim Crow has targeted you when you were born in 2002, for example.
But the idea is that every disparity is due to this sort of discrimination and therefore a broad-based solution is the answer.
Well in a second, I'm going to explain how much of the wealth gap, we're going to try and estimate how much of the wealth gap is due to slavery and Jim Crow and how much is not.
So that matters only in the sense that if you are trying to determine You know, whether slavery and Jim Crow are really responsible for the entire difference in economic performance and economic wealth between black and white, you should actually examine the statistics.
That sort of stuff matters.
You can't just throw out every disparity and suggest that that is due to underlying discrimination.
Also, as a corollary, very important to note, That disparities exist within every group.
Discrimination has happened to a bevy of groups in the United States.
People in the United States are not talking about reparations for the Chinese who were viciously discriminated against when they came to the United States.
Reparations are not being talked about for Jews who are barred from a lot of the same places that blacks were barred from for many decades in the United States.
Reparations are not talked about For a wide variety of groups that have been discriminated against in the United States.
And the reason those reparations aren't talked about is because to bring history forward and then suggest that as a descendant of somebody who was discriminated against, you are therefore owed something by a descendant of somebody who discriminated.
I never quote the Bible, but I think the Bible happens to be correct on the proposition that you don't make a child pay for the sins of their parents.
That is a recipe for a society that is disastrous in its ability to actually heal wounds.
But let's talk about the wealth gap issue.
So yesterday on my radio show, I talked specifically about the wealth gap.
I said some of the wealth gap is inherently due to slavery and Jim Crow, and much of the wealth gap is not due to slavery and Jim Crow.
This apparently is enough for Media Matters to clip me out of context and suggest that I'm saying that the entire wealth gap is due Okay, Coleman Hughes, who was called to testify by the Republicans yesterday in the slavery reparations hearing.
He testified about slavery reparations, and then he was insulted for it.
Here's what he had to say, and then we're gonna go through the reason he was actually called, which is that he's done a very solid analysis, dating back to July 2018, of exactly how we should view the wealth gap in the United States.
Reparations, by definition, are only given to victims.
So the moment you give me reparations, you've made me into a victim without my consent.
The question is not what America owes me by virtue of my ancestry.
The question is what all Americans owe each other by virtue of being citizens of the same nation.
And the obligation of citizenship is not transactional.
It's not contingent on ancestry.
It never expires, and it can't be paid off.
For all these reasons, Bill H.R.
40 is a moral and political mistake.
Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Hughes.
And then he was booed.
Chill, chill, chill, chill.
He was presumptive, but he still has a right to speak.
He's presumptive, but he still has a right.
How dare he say things I disagree with, says Steve Cohen of Tennessee.
OK, so the fact that he is what Coleman Hughes says there, which is that not every black person in America is a victim.
I think that's true.
The left would like pretty much every black person, pretty much everybody in America to feel like a victim.
But certainly black folks in America, they would like them to feel like victims, even though the philosophy of being a victim of America is one of the chief obstacles to achievement in America.
And when I talk about individual choice and how you can rise from poverty, I think that's a fairly inspiring message, a lot more inspiring than America owes you a check because your great-great-great-great-great-grandfather was a slave, or because your grandfather suffered in Jim Crow Alabama.
It seems to me a better message to suggest not that your neighbor in your dorm room at Harvard owes you a check because of the color of his skin and the color of your skin.
It seems like a better message to say, make these decisions that are good and you will rise out of poverty.
Let's start with, let's try and break this down.
So the argument number one is that certain people deserve reparations.
Again, I think if you were specifically harmed, then there's an argument that you deserve something.
The question is, from whom?
From whom?
So you deserve it from the people who discriminated against you, presumably, not from their grandkids, who did not discriminate against you.
Number two, just because there's a vast wealth gap, does not mean that that entire wealth gap, or your personal situation, is a result of discrimination.
On a broad level, some of it is, just on average.
But that doesn't mean that all of it is, or that your specific situation is.
This is how statistics work.
So Coleman Hughes, who was ripped up and down for this, Ray Sani, who writes for HBO, tweeted out that it was fine to call Coleman Hughes a C-word.
A C-word.
C-O-O-N.
Right?
Like the racial slur.
This is what Ray Sani wrote.
Perfectly fine.
You can call him that until midnight Pacific Standard Time.
Why?
Because he disagrees with Ta-Nehisi Coates.
As do, by the way, one third of black Americans.
And then Jamel Bowie of the New York Times, always tolerant, always kind, he tweets out, Will the Republican members of the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties have anyone serious speaking against reparations?
Or will they just invite Candace Owens to do her thing again?
Well, Coleman Hughes actually is a serious human who has written a serious analysis of the wealth gap.
It's available at Quillette.
He talks about the fact that he has a long, long piece in which he talks about slavery and American prosperity.
He says that the factor offered as an explanation for the wealth gap is the exclusion of blacks from a set of New Deal policies designed to promote home ownership, income growth, and wealth accrual.
After World War II, whites received the vast majority of government-backed mortgage loans.
By the time the civil rights gains of the 60s made those loans available to blacks, it was too late.
The crucial economic boon of the previous two decades, during which housing values rapidly appreciated had already passed, blacks, reeling from the effects of redlining and income suppression, couldn't enter the housing market at its new prices.
Wealth, in the form of property and inheritances, became a birthright for whites, and blacks were trapped in poverty.
Coleman Hughes says, this story, though based in truth, has been massaged to give the false impression that benevolence from the state is a prerequisite for wealth accrual.
The account even contains some factual errors.
It is true that the median income of white men more than tripled between 1939 and 1960, but the median income of black men more than quintupled during that same period.
Between 1940 and 1960, the black poverty rate fell from 87% to 47% before any significant civil rights gains were made.
Also, the fact is that there have been other groups discriminated against.
Starting with the California Alien Land Law of 1913, 14 states passed laws preventing Japanese-American peasant farmers from owning land and property.
The laws existed until 1952.
There's not a lot of talk about reparations to Japanese Americans over all of that, specifically because Asian Americans overperform in terms of income and wealth accrual.
He says historical racism can't explain wealth disparities between groups of the same race, either.
A 2015 survey of wealth in Boston found that the median black household had only $8 of wealth.
But the $8 figure only pertained to black Bostonians of American ancestry, black Bostonians of Caribbean ancestry, had $12,000 of wealth, despite having identical rates of college graduation, only slightly higher incomes, and being equally black in the same city.
He says there's a kernel of truth to the idea that the wealth gap is historically based.
But that doesn't mean that the vast majority of the wealth gap is attributable to historical discrimination.
So that's what Coleman Hughes writes about and he gets ripped up and down for all this.
The second contention of the slavery reparations advocates is that this is going to heal wounds.
I ask you, is it really going to heal wounds to make white people who had nothing to do with slavery pay black people who were never enslaved?
Like, who receives these payments?
Barack Obama, who's never had a slave ancestor?
Who exactly?
How are we going to pick this out?
And who's going to pay those?
Jews who arrived in 1907?
Asians who arrived?
Irish people?
Some of whom immigrated to the United States to fight in the Civil War on behalf of freeing slaves?
Like, who exactly is going to pay these reparations?
How is that going to heal wounds?
Finally, there's the argument that this is going to better lives and make lives better.
I don't see the evidence that signing an $80,000 check is either going to heal wounds or make lives better.
Dropping wealth over folks doesn't just fix the problem.
And we've been trying redistributionist policies in this country in the war on poverty since 1960s.
And the poverty gap remains.
And so does the racial wealth gap.
The fact is, the government has tried to solve a lot of these problems over and over again.
The Community Reinvestment Act, which largely led to the subprime mortgage crisis, was a direct attempt to address the evils of redlining.
The idea was that banks had not been providing black homeowners and potential homeowners with the loans that they should have.
Thus, subprime mortgages would be sponsored by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
That happened.
And then you know what happened?
A lot of people couldn't pay those subprime mortgages and the mortgage market melted down.
The government is not always the solution to a historic problem.
So there are all sorts of problems here.
Not one of these problems that I am pointing out is in any way downplaying the evils of slavery or Jim Crow.
But none of this conversation is honest from folks on the left.
The conversation is simply that if you don't agree with Ta-Nehisi Coates on slavery reparations, then you also must not agree with Ta-Nehisi Coates that slavery was bad.
And that, of course, is idiotic.
Okay, time for some things I like, and then some things that I hate.
So, things that I like today.
So yesterday was indeed Juneteenth.
And it's a state holiday in the state of Texas.
It should become a national holiday.
The Emancipation Proclamation issued on yesterday's date in 1863.
The Emancipation Proclamation is a particularly fascinating document.
Lincoln said he thought it was the most important thing he'd ever done.
Basically, he was born to do it.
The Emancipation Proclamation shifted the nature of the Civil War from a battle about reunifying the Union to a battle about the abolition of slavery.
He was urged by his own cabinet not to announce it until after a victorious battle.
He did wait until after a victorious battle.
And then he threatened the South in late September 1862 that if they did not come back to the table, he would issue the Emancipation Proclamation.
And then he went ahead and he did it.
He said, whereas on the 22nd day of September, in the year of our Lord, 1,862, a proclamation was issued by the President of the United States containing, among other things, the following to it, that on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord, 1,863, all persons held as slaves within any state or designated part of a state, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free.
And the executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons and will do no act or acts to repress such persons or any of them in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.
That the executive will on the first day of January by proclamation designate the states and parts of states, if any, in which the people thereof respectively shall then be in rebellion against the United States and the fact that any state or the people thereof shall on that day be in good faith represented in Congress of the United States by members Shall, in the absence of strong countervailing testimony, be deemed conclusive evidence that such state and the people thereof are not then in rebellion against the United States.
Now, therefore, I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, by virtue of the power in me vested as Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and government of the United States, and as a fit and necessary war measure for suppressing said rebellion, do, on this first day of January, in the year of our Lord, 1863,
And in accordance with my purpose, so to do publicly proclaim for the full period of 100 days from the first day aforementioned, order and designate as the states and parts of states wherein the people thereof respectively are in this day rebellion against the United States, and then he names all of the various principalities and states that are in rebellion.
He says, by virtue of the power and for the purpose aforesaid, I do order and declare that all persons held as slaves within said designated states and parts of states are and henceforward shall be free.
that the executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authorities thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of said persons.
And I hereby enjoin upon the people so declared to be free to abstain from all violence, unless in necessary self-defense.
And I recommend to them that, in all cases when allowed, they labor faithfully for reasonable wages.
He's calling for peace, obviously.
He says, I further declare and make known that such persons of suitable condition will be received into the armed service of the United States.
So he's gonna say that black folks could serve in the Union Army.
As upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the Constitution, upon military necessity, I invoke the considerate judgment of mankind and the gracious favor of Almighty God.
Now, one of the things that this was really important in doing, the Emancipation Proclamation, was keeping the Brits out of the war.
So there's a lot of talk about the British entering the war on behalf of the Confederacy in order to split apart the United States.
The Emancipation Proclamation, by transforming the war from a war of unification, a war on the Confederacy, into a war in favor of abolishing slavery, Basically kept the Brits out.
It basically kept the Europeans out because they were opposed to slavery and so now they would be on the side of an evil institution rather than the side of a of a rebelling part of a nation.
A deeply important moment in American history and a transformative moment in American history that we should certainly all celebrate.
It's.
This is an amazing country.
It is.
I mean, we have a monument to a president who we have a massive monument to a president who was able to mobilize a population to fight a war on behalf of freeing a subject people, people who are enslaved and brutalized.
That's an amazing thing.
And the fact that the United States has not always lived up to its commitment to its highest ideals, that does not mean that the American people have not sought to do so on a broad level, or that now the American people are guilty for the sins that have been committed in the past.
If we want to live with each other, if we actually want to come together and lead better lives, then reopening wounds by grouping people according to race and suggesting that people who are not guilty for sins pay other people who didn't directly suffer from those sins, that's a very bad way of doing this.
It's unconstitutional, it's illegal, and it's negative.
We should all be able to celebrate the legacy of the Emancipation Proclamation together, frankly.
Okay, time for some things that I hate.
So, it is pretty impressive how Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez has been able to escape censure from her own party.
As I said yesterday, I am just waiting for AOC, the estimable, brilliant AOC, to announce that the earth is flat so that we can hear the media's explanation of why actually she is correct, why actually she is right.
Well, it's funny to watch everybody treat her as a child.
I mean, other Democrats literally treat her as a child.
So there's one representative who yesterday was asked about her statements that the detention centers on the border are actually concentration camps, like Holocaust-like concentration camps.
And Representative Henry Queller, who is a representative for Texas's 28th congressional district, he was asked about this.
And he explained that AOC just uses words differently than other humans.
Her comparison to the Holocaust, and especially ending it by saying, never again.
Well, again, without due respect to her, she has a different usage of words and certainly maybe a different perception.
I live on the border.
I've been to those detention centers.
I've been to those shelters, as you know.
If they're adults, they're in detention centers.
But if they're children, they are put in shelters that are run by non-profits.
I would not use the terms that she used and imply anything else after that.
She has a different usage, you see.
She just uses English differently.
Remember when Nancy Pelosi said the same thing about Ilhan Omar?
So Ilhan Omar's a vicious anti-Semite.
And Nancy Pelosi said exactly the same thing about Ilhan Omar.
She said, oh, you know, the thing is that she just uses words differently than other humans.
The incident that happened was, I don't think our colleague is anti-semitic.
I think she has a different experience in the use of words, doesn't understand that some of them are fraught with meaning that she didn't realize.
But nonetheless, that we had to address.
You know, one of the things I love right now is how this new class of freshman Democrats, they are being treated like my three-year-old son.
I appreciate the enthusiasm, but stop running into walls.
They use words differently.
So AOC uses words differently.
And so does Ilhan Omar.
She uses words differently.
This is why English should be the official language of the United States.
Mainly so that people who already speak English should use words the way that humans use words so that we can understand the words that they use.
Don't tell me that AOC didn't know what she was saying.
She knew exactly what she was saying, and then she was upset that she said it, and so she lied about it.
And the same thing is true of Ilhan Omar.
She knew exactly what she was saying, and then people objected.
And then the Democrats came to her defense by pretending that she's a small child.
It really is pretty demeaning, frankly.
And then Nancy Pelosi was asked yesterday about AOC's ridiculous concentration camp remarks, and here was her explanation.
It's all Republicans pouncing everywhere.
These members of Congress are, they come and represent their district and their point of view, and they take responsibility for the statements that they make.
I'm not up to date on her most recent one.
I saw something in the news, but I, no, I haven't spoken to her about that.
I do have some comments to make to my caucus, writ large, about the political nature of Oh, it's the Republicans pouncing is the issue.
It's pouncy, pouncy, pouncy Republicans.
Like a group of kittens.
Ooh, pouncing everywhere.
Pounce.
Funny.
for his words, they will misrepresent anything that you say just if you have one word in the sentence that they can exploit.
Oh, it's the Republicans pouncing is the issue.
It's pouncy, pouncy, pouncy Republicans like a group of kittens, ooh, pouncing everywhere, pounce.
Funny, some of us actually call out the president when he says things that are untrue.
I make a habit of it here on the show.
When the president says something dumb or untrue, I will say that he says something that is dumb or untrue.
I will say that the president is lying about things.
And some of us actually try to do this.
Nancy Pelosi, however, is defending the worst in her own contingent because obviously she is a political hack.
I mean, that is what she's paid to do.
The funniest part of this is that our journalistic firefighters are not coming to the defense of Chuck Todd today.
So Chuck Todd comes out and he says, yeah, AOC is wrong.
These aren't concentration camps.
That's absurd.
And he was trending last night on Twitter and AOC directly responded to him.
And now she and the rest of the media are gaslighting Chuck Todd.
So I have to admit that, again, internecine warfare among Democrats in the journalistic establishment are somewhat amusing.
But Chuck Todd is correct about this.
After being criticized, Ocasio-Cortez tried to make a distinction between concentration camps and Nazi death camps, where the industrialized mass slaughter of the Holocaust occurred.
Fair enough, but Congresswoman, tens of thousands were also brutalized, tortured, starved, and ultimately died in concentration camps.
Camps like Dachau.
If you want to criticize the shameful treatment of people at our southern border, fine.
You'll have plenty of company.
But be careful comparing them to Nazi concentration camps, because they're not At all comparable.
Okay, and then AOC responds by smacking Chuck Todd.
Now she's just fully gaslighting everyone.
She says, well Chuck Todd, the fact that you slipped in Nazi when I never said that is pretty unfortunate.
You know what you did say?
It's so funny, the entire media just ignored the part where she said never again in that clip.
It's incredible.
And she said never again in that clip, which is a specific Holocaust reference.
Everyone knows that's a specific Holocaust reference.
Also, when you say concentration camp, I really doubt that she was talking about the long history of the Boer War.
I don't think she knows what that is.
I think if you asked her what the Boer War is, she would think it's a cooking show about roasting pork.
I mean, this is, it's ridiculous.
She says, Chuck Todd is responsible.
I'm gonna gaslight you.
And he says, almost as unfortunate as the fact that you spent this whole time without discussing DHS freezers, dog pounds, missing children, human rights abuses that uphold use of this term.
Yeah, that's right.
Chuck Todd is not concerned enough about what's happening on the border.
It's, it's, it's ridiculous.
I'm sorry.
This whole thing is ridiculous.
But we, I guess we have to, we're going to continue with the myth that AOC knows what she's talking about.
The good news is she provides new fodder for Democrats to defend every day.
That is increasingly stupid.
So she did a, another Instagram live.
And in this Instagram live, I guess this is the, this may have been the, was this the same one?
She's wearing the same shirt.
So I assume this is the same one where she suggested that the Holocaust was happening on our Southern border.
In the same video, she also had some points to make about socialism that are so wildly untrue that I'm looking forward to seeing how the media spin them.
A lot of people think about capitalism and they're like, oh, capitalism, that means businesses, right?
That means a free market, right?
That means, um, that means competing, uh, for having different products compete in the market, right?
That's what capitalism is, right?
That's not Um, what?
So, she literally does not know what she's talking about.
Like, at all.
Free markets do mean businesses and businesses competing with each other.
Mixed economies exist.
You can have free market economies with democratic socialist businesses.
Um, what?
So she literally does not know what she was talking about, like at all.
Free markets do mean businesses and businesses competing with each other, and they compete because they are, wait for it, free.
When people say capitalism, they just mean that you can invest in these businesses.
That's all capitalism is.
But according to her, you can have businesses that are democratic socialist businesses.
What does that mean?
You mean a business run by the state?
In other words, subsidized by the state?
So in other words, not a free market because it's subsidized by the state?
Don't worry, guys.
She's so smart.
She's beyond me.
I mean, IQ points up the wazoo.
Just incredible, incredible brilliance from this person.
I'm so glad that the Democrats and the media have decided to defend her until the end of time.
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