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Oct. 11, 2024 - Brother Nathanael
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Episode 35: Should Defining Moments Shape Beliefs?
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I'm gonna go ahead and get started.
Well, hello.
It's me again, your number one.
you Notice, sir.
And this is a special for Adam Green.
It's the Jew jingle. Wake up and smell the Jew ruin.
All right, here we go.
I'm debating Adam Green.
I'm going to talk about defining moments.
If your belief system does not impact your life, With a defining moment.
Then that belief system is useless.
You will not reach anybody.
You'll just be talking in the air.
Now I'm going to get my screen deck here.
And I got myself a split screen with Adam Green.
He's six foot two, eyes of blue, like me.
But I'm not six foot two.
And he don't look like a Jew.
And I'm six foot four.
Oh, he's six. Well, it doesn't rhyme.
I have six foot two.
Look, man. I got blue eyes.
Six foot four, your rhymes are a bore.
Yeah. No, no.
Everyone loves my rhymes.
Everyone loves me. And I'm sick of the Jewish lore.
Well, how about the church lore, huh?
Now look, man. I don't want you to see the fire coming out of my eyes.
That's why I have these sunglasses on.
See? Now, I bet you can't even match me with these kind of things, you know?
You see? See that?
Does he see me? All right.
Oh, no! I'm game.
I'm good. No, no, no. Mine are better.
Want to take the gloves off? No, no.
Glasses go on. God!
I'm a tough dude, man.
I studied boxing when I was two.
That rhymes. Okay, so my sunglasses are cooler than yours.
And really, altogether, I'm much cooler than you.
My following, I did a demographic following on me, 14th, but they're mostly brown.
Satanist dude, Adam Green, okay?
How many black saints does the Orthodox Church have?
We have a few. Yeah, that's what I thought.
How many Africans is the Pope kissing?
Well, we don't do the Pope.
The Russian Orthodox Church, we don't do Pope.
No, we don't do the Pope.
That was a split after they sacked Constantinople, the Romans, the Roman Catholics.
They sacked Constantinople in 1204.
That was a dividing line.
Now we're going to do a dividing line here, dude.
Okay? Now, from what I've gathered, watching your stuff on No More News, K-N-O-W, No More News.
In other words, you have to have the knowledge.
There it is. See, I give the guy a plug.
Even though we, like, fiercely, vehemently, maliciously, with hostility, with fire in my eyes...
We're going to make Israel great again.
We're going to rebuild the temple...
We're going to destroy Hamas.
We're going to bomb Iran. It's going to be great.
Well, why don't you run for president?
I'll vote for you. I bet you can turn some things around.
All the Christians in America will go, that Antichrist.
That Antichrist doesn't bow down to Jesus and worship the God of Israel.
We can't vote for that demonic Antichrist.
The Baptists won't vote for you, but the Russian Orthodox might.
Because we're all about the Church, not about Christianity.
We'll get a whole hundred thousand votes from the voting Christian Orthodox community in America.
All right, let's cut to the chase, dude.
All right. Look how white your teeth are.
They're better than mine. But I'm just as white as you.
And they're not dentures. I don't wear dentures.
I'm just kidding. That's all right.
You can kid. Okay. You can kid, boy chick.
Now listen to me. I want to tell all my audience, huge audience, this guy...
His position is this, is that over a 3,000-year period of the holy prophets who lived in different areas, different walks of life, different milieus, somehow this dude, Adam Green, says they were conspiring.
Over a 3,000-year period, different types of people...
2,000. It's only 2,000 years.
No, no, it goes back 3,000, kid.
No, because...
But I'm not going to argue about years. What?
All right, let's compromise 2,500 years.
This is the way I learned it as a Jewish kid, all right?
You say that they all conspired to bring the Gentiles into a Jewish dominion fold.
Even though when Jesus Christ came, he talked about the law and the prophets, and he said that the kingdom will be taken away from you Jews and given to a nation better than you.
That's the sons of Japheth.
Okay. That's your position.
Am I right? No, totally wrong.
And I'm glad you started there because it's probably a misconception a lot of Christians have.
I don't think it's a conspiracy.
I don't think it's a conspiracy. We're good to go.
Searching them for hidden mysteries and reinterpreting them for their contemporary times.
Just like people do today.
People read the Bible. They connect scriptures.
They say, oh, this is prophetic.
This is happening now. This prophecy was just fulfilled.
It's just like that. So that's the conspiracy.
Not that everybody was working together in one coherent thing all along.
All right. Summarize your position in just two sentences.
No problem. Summarize it in two sentences.
Very easily. One sentence.
Jesus is fake, never existed, and it was invented by Jews for the purpose of fulfilling prophecy and having all of the nations worship the God of Israel according to the Torah agenda.
That's it. So is that wrong?
Well, that's your position, okay?
But I'm going to make this a very personal thing because I advertise this as about a defining moment, beliefs, beliefs, You know what?
Sorry to interrupt you, but I don't know if this is live right now.
I'm trying to watch it, and it's not streaming live.
On Rumble, it's still streaming the replay.
No, it's live. Oh, restream is having an issue.
Is the chat saying that it's live right now?
Because I don't think it is. It is live on Odyssey and BitChute.
I'm on BitChute and...
X and Rumble, it is not working.
Okay. There are some issues, but we are recording the stream.
Re-click, just click off on Restream on BitChute and then like re-click it or maybe you guys didn't set it up right and it just won't go there.
But I'll switch over to Odyssey then and I'll share the Odyssey link if that's where we're up.
Alright. It's working on X? Let me check with my tech.
No. My tech is doing some stuff here.
Okay. Alright, well go ahead.
You can continue on about the life-defining moments.
If that's where you want to take it.
Yeah, I do for now.
Maybe a bad mistake. It's not going to be a bad mistake, but this is being recorded.
Look, Adam, this is being recorded.
So even if there's some glitches now, I'm going to permanentize it when we're done and put it up on X. And it'll be permanentized on Rumble, Odyssey, and Bitchute, okay?
Alright, stuff happens.
Okay. We'll work it out.
No. Okay, you say Jesus never existed.
Well, then I should have stayed in Judaism.
So now I'm going to talk about if that's true.
Then I'm wasting my time.
No, because Judaism's not true either, though.
Whether it's true or not, let's say for the sake of your hypothesis that it's not true, but I believed in Judaism as a kid.
I was raised in Judaism.
I was raised in a synagogue.
I was raised in traditional Judaism.
It was my life. It was my worldview.
Everything was seen through Jewry's eyes.
Were you not skeptical of it though?
I was skeptical, but still, that was still my perspective.
That was still my worldview, even though I was skeptical.
That's true. But it was still my worldview.
Everything was seen through Jew eyes.
Now, my defining moment was, whether you say, whether Jesus is true or not, is that I became convinced that Jesus Christ was the Messiah, not only for the Jews, but for all people.
And that's what happened to me at the age of 21.
I was forbidden to read the New Testament.
By my dad, and by my rabbi, and by the whole mishpucha, the whole synagogue.
I was forbidden to read it.
To have it in my house is like bringing a pork chop into the house.
So finally... Yeah, you snuck out and read the New Testament, and normal goy boys go and get pornos and...
Playboys, but you were getting the New Testament.
That's right. Exactly. Yeah.
Okay. So I was a very sensitive, artistic type of kid.
You know, I played the piano and all that.
But I moved far away from Pittsburgh, all the way to California, near you.
All right? Back in 1968.
Purposefully so I could read the New Testament for other reasons, too.
So when I read the New Testament, the first chapter...
Which goes through the genealogies leading from David to the King Messiah.
And this is something they don't make up.
These genealogies had to be proven by Matthew when he wrote that to the Hebrews at that time.
That convinced me that Jesus was indeed the Messiah.
And this was a life-changing moment for me.
It changed my life forever.
I was a rock star. I was with a rock group called Rebecca and the Sunnybrook Farmers.
I'm dealing with facts here.
And I just left the group.
I left the rock scene.
I was dealing with some top producers.
I knew Frank Zappa.
I knew Alice Cooper.
I knew Jethro Tull.
I knew Proko Haram.
I knew them all. And I was involved with some major producers.
I knew Hal Alpert, who produced The Carpenters, Karen Carpenter and her brother.
I knew a lot of people, and I gave it all up.
That was my defining moment, because I was convinced that Jesus Christ was my Messiah, and He was my Savior.
You're just like Dr. Michael Brown.
Huh? You were a rock star, and then you were a Jew, and then you found Jesus.
Yes. Threw away the life of, what?
Of a rock star. I was.
I told you. I knew Frank Zapp.
I knew all these guys. And I knew some major producers who were in the music world.
And I left it. I decided, no, I'm going to follow Jesus Christ, whatever that may lead.
And I felt inside of me that this rock scene was not meant to be.
Not that it was necessarily sinful.
I just felt this is not the path that Jesus wanted for me.
This was a life-changing moment for me.
Now, if Jesus is just a myth, if Jesus is just a fantasy, then I'm living in a dream world.
Then I should have stayed with the rock scene.
I should have stuck with all these producers.
I should have been famous, you know, playing the guitar and singing and writing a bunch of songs as I did.
But I didn't. You say I should have.
I say no. Because it leads really to nowhere.
My life is much more meaningful believing in Jesus Christ and being in the church.
Because if you're not in the body, you're not connected to the head.
Now, what is your life-changing movement?
How has Billy, coming to the point in your life, because I know you were raised in the Church of Christ, How is it that this was a life-changing moment for you and you decided it's all a myth?
How did it change your life?
That's where I want to go with this right now.
I was raised in the church.
I was always very skeptical of the stories and didn't believe it was true.
And then once I became like 16, 17, YouTube was created.
I started researching stuff on YouTube about religion, disproving religion, atheism, evolution.
And then I realized, oh yeah, I was sold, I was raised in a cult basically.
And then, so that's one big revelation that I had.
Was that the Church of Christ?
I remember you telling me that.
Right, Protestant. The Church of Christ, yeah.
Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. And then, once I kind of realized that religion was fake, I played basketball throughout college.
That was my main thing. School and basketball.
I did well in school. Girls, too.
Like a normal young guy.
And then I discovered conspiracies and got into politics and started watching Alex Jones and started learning about Zionism and Zionist power.
And then I was raised religious, so that Zionism completely ties in with Christianity.
Most Zionists in America are Christian, by far.
And, you know, I started researching Zionism and Zionist influence on politics.
And then, like, four or five years ago, I started reading books on Jesus mythicism.
And then I've been obsessed with that, basically, ever since, learning about origins of Christianity and secrets of Judaism and Jesus mythicism.
So, realizing that not only was it fake, but that he actually never existed, and then who and why he was created, and the influence it has on the world today, and politics and governments, and so those are my...
Defining moments, I guess you could say.
What I constantly hear from you is that you are joining Zionism with Christianity, but in the Orthodox Church, particularly in the most traditional Church, the Russian Orthodox Church, they are not Zionists.
The Church does not teach Zionism, just the opposite in the Russian Orthodox Church.
The Russian Orthodox Church teaches that the Jews are Christ killers, that the Jews crucified Christ, and that they are outside of anything to do with the Church.
And this goes back to St.
John Chrysostom. The synagogue is no better than a theater, he says, but a brothel.
Since the prophet saved the Jews, you have the brow of a harlot, and I bring forward a prophet as my witness, says Chrysostom.
You have a harlot's brow.
You become shameless.
Now where a harlot has set herself up, the church has no place with it.
Now this is the position of the Russian Orthodox Church based on the Church Fathers.
And I go back to this all the time.
St. Ignatius says, Where Judaism, there cannot be the Church.
There was a strong dividing line.
When Jesus Christ came and said, The Kingdom is taken away from you and given to another people.
And upon this rock I will build my Church.
He doesn't say, I will build Christianity.
And there's nothing more about them because the Jews were not faithful to the covenant.
And they crucified their own Messiah who said, your house is left unto you desolate.
So I'm going to keep on going back to this.
Not Christianity. Not the evangelicals.
Because you're putting all of Christendom in this little box of evangelicals that really just came about in the late 1800s from the Scofield Bible.
This is not historical church.
There's always been a dividing line between...
A great abyss between the synagogue where I come out of and now in the church is my defining moment when I realize that Jesus was the Messiah and that I was denied believing in Him even as a kid.
Okay, give me a minute to respond.
So when I talk about Christianity in America, evangelical, fundamentalist, Zionist Christianity is by far the most dominant form of Christianity.
So when I'm talking about politics, it's like irrelevant to the way I see Zionism as the issue.
I see Zionism as essentially Judaism.
But you just don't call it Judaism because Christians can also be Zionists.
All Christians, I've seen the New Testament, and it says that you worship the God of Zion.
And the law will come forth from Zion.
And the God you worship, the God of Israel, dwells in Zion.
And he says Zion is his holy mountain.
You believe there's a spiritual Zion.
You guys, Christianity still upholds the foundational idea of the God of Israel and Zionism.
Thus, you worship the God of Zion, I call you Zionist.
You said the Jews crucified their own Messiah.
He's their Jewish Messiah.
What was the point of the Messiah before Christianity?
To subdue Rome, who occupied them, and conquer the nations.
Which they did. It took over Rome, and Rome basically collapsed shortly after that.
And they outlawed paganism decades after Christianity in Constantine.
So also, you said that your church says that the Jews killed Jesus.
That's only part of what they believe.
It says in the Bible that he laid down his own life according to God's preordained plan.
According to God's prophecies that had to happen, and if it didn't happen, you wouldn't have your blood sacrifice, Yom Kippur atonement ritual, and you wouldn't have your religion, and you wouldn't be washed in the blood, and you wouldn't have forgiveness for your sins, and you wouldn't be saved.
So all sects of Christianity, and you still are Zionist in the way that you think that The Antichrist has to rule in Israel before Jesus can return.
So you still think it's part of the plans that there will be an Antichrist in Israel.
Alright, you're all over the place here.
Just give me one statement and then I'm going to answer you.
Well, I just responded to the points you made.
I didn't say it's all over the place.
I directly responded to what you said.
You responded. Now, parse it out to me, divide it into four, and I'll answer each one at a time.
Okay? Start with your point.
You worship the God of Zion....abstract is the Israel, because beginning with Moses, he called the Jews a perverse and crooked generation.
And Elijah...
He also calls him the treasure, the apple of his eye, and his treasured possession.
You can't cherry pick just—yes, throughout the Bible, it's a theme that he punishes the Jews for going after idols or not following the commandments, but that doesn't still mean—you cited Jeremiah last time.
How about Jeremiah where it says, I will completely destroy all the nations among which I scatter you, but I will not completely destroy you, meaning the Jewish people, the chosen people.
And also, if you say you're the fulfillment, you're the true Israel, you have the new covenant, what you're doing is underpinning and elevating all those things that you want to adopt into them.
You're legitimizing them, you're affirming them, you're enabling the whole Judeo-Torah paradigm.
No, I'm just enabling the promise given to Eve, and that her seed would crush the head of Satan, who brought in death.
Did that already happen? That's what I'm affirming.
Did that already happen?
Yes, the seed of Eve came, who would also be the seed of David.
So Jesus crushed the devil's head when he died on the cross?
Yes, by the resurrection.
He crushed it through the cross, nailing our sins to the cross, forgiving us, bearing our sins, putting it to death, rising to be the second Adam.
That we, embracing him in the church, who's the head of the church, who's the head of the people of God, the righteous, the Israel of God, the church, that we can have that conquering of death attached to him, that we will rise from the dead, and our death is called sleep.
So when I die, as people would say, I'm actually sleeping and I will rise again.
Because at the age of 74, which is part of my defining moment, I'm 74 now, I'm not 21 years old anymore.
At the age of 74, life is short.
Life is too short. Yesterday I was 19.
Now I'm 74.
Now I see the stop sign.
Now I know this is a wonderful thing that the seed of Eve, that the seed of David has accomplished by conquering.
There are going to be different places of the races in heaven where we're all going to be together.
There's a new earth. There's a new heaven and a new earth.
And this is my defining moment today.
It started at the age of 21.
It continues today where I have great hope, where I have great optimism, where I feel things can still change here because the resurrection can come right down into our political lives, into our social life, into our cultural life, and we no longer die in a ditch like a dog.
Ha! Boy, am I hot.
You got me preaching, man.
I'm trying to find you on Odyssey.
It wasn't popping up. Hopefully your link is on your Twitter page or something, just because I like to see what the chat's saying, too.
So you say that Jesus already conquered Satan.
He crushed the head of the snake when he died on the cross, right?
That's what you're saying? All right, wait a minute.
My text says it is on Odyssey, and it is working on Rumble.
I'm just saying I couldn't find your Odyssey when I search it on Odyssey.
Their search doesn't work so well.
All right. Well, you know, I'm now being censored, looks like, on Rumble.
But maybe not. Okay, so go ahead.
If it was messed up on Twitter, too, then I don't think it's censored.
Okay, I see Odyssey. You just shared it.
I'll share it now, too. I'll retweet it.
All right. It's going to be permanentized.
Okay? Published?
Yeah, we'll make a million dollars.
Permanentize? Is that even a word? Well, I make up words.
You mean it's permanent? I make up words all the time, man.
Okay. I'm going to do the sayings of Chairman.
The sayings of Chairman, bro.
I'll split the profits with you.
So you can help them support your children.
Once you have Adam Jr.
I appreciate you for just allowing me on your platform to talk about my thoughts.
Most Christians won't do that.
Well, I'm a member of the church.
And I know they attack you for it, too.
Well, constantly. So, hey, truth never wins a popularity contest.
Even in the, you know, with Christians.
I call them Christians. Rather than...
Victoria Noonelman, that's what we always say here.
Victoria Noonelman.
She still runs the show. But back to the point, though.
Jesus crushed the head of the snake when he died.
That's what you're saying, right?
Yes. Oh, yeah. He conquered death.
Who's in charge of the world, though, in the last 2,000 years?
In the last 2,000 years?
Who's the ruler of this age?
Well, this is a very complex question, okay?
It's Satan. Just say it's pretty simple.
Satan's in charge of the world, right?
No, no, no. I'm not a simplistic guy, okay?
Satan is on a long chain.
He's on a chain, but it's a very long chain.
Got you there. Who's holding the chain?
God? Well, the one who chained him up is Jesus Christ when he resurrected.
Well, that's one and the same, right?
We are still—we're in a juxtaposition of the age of death and the age of life.
That's the Church's position, not the Catholic position, sin and atonement.
Ours is more cosmic.
It's the renewal of creation.
It's a juxtaposition between death and life.
That is what we're in now.
So I have to get my cavity— Because I had a toothache the other day, and the guy said to me, you need to get that cavity out.
I said, I'm not in the mood for it.
I'll do it next week.
They're not going to drill me today.
Okay, so that's the death I'm in.
But at the same time, I know that I'll have a whole new set of teeth, a whole new body, everything.
It'll still be me, but it'll be an incorruptible body because I'm now in a juxtaposition of life and death.
Mostly life, because Jesus Christ is the head of the church of which I'm a member.
And if you're not in the body, you're not in the church.
If you're a Baptist, you're a heretic.
If you're an evangelical, you are a heretic.
And I'm always going to go back to that with you, and I'm going to quote this again.
By Saint Ignatius, the God-bearer, who sat on Jesus' lap when he was a kid.
It is absurd to profess Jesus Christ and to Judaize.
It is absurd to speak of Jesus Christ with a tongue and to cherish in the mind a Judaism which has come to an end.
For where there is the church, there is not the synagogue.
This is the church fathers that the evangelicals have no clue about.
They watch Jay Dyer, the insane idiot.
Okay? He's just a moron.
Why is he an idiot?
What's he wrong about? First of all, he's an idiot because he keeps on talking about, oh, we're going to win.
God is in control.
It's like he's in a dream world.
All right. I see you saying that Israel is about to be destroyed, though, and don't you think that you're going to win in the end when Jesus comes and crushes?
In the end, but right now we're in a battle and everything is up for grabs.
Now, I believe, yes, that Israel will come to an end.
And I'm not the only one that's saying it.
McGregor is saying it. Larry Johnson is saying it.
Scott Ritter is saying it.
All the Russian, all the Russian, suspected Russian agents are saying it.
The Russian agents, I don't know what they're doing.
They're promoting the line that Gog is going to destroy Israel, that Russia is going to destroy Israel.
That's the way I see it.
You really think Israel is going to go down?
Israel will cease to exist?
Or Syrian girls, another one that keeps saying stuff like this?
You really think Israel is going to go down without America being dragged into World War III first and we get destroyed?
And that's really the ultimate plan.
Edom in the West has to fall before the Messianic Age.
Well, first of all, let's talk about it.
It's always been a metaphor for the enemies of Christ has nothing to do with Russia.
Absolutely nothing. This is late great planet Earth nonsense.
I don't think it has anything to do with Russia either, but if all the rabbis believe it, and all the Christian Zionists believe it, and that's what's happening for all intents and purposes...
But the Orthodox Church are not Christian Zionists.
Zion, to us, is the Jerusalem from above.
It's the holy mountain of the Israel of God, the Church, the people of God, the collective.
There's always been a collective.
It's either been the congregation of the righteous or the congregation of the wicked.
The Orthodox Church sees the Jews, the synagogue, as the congregation of the wicked.
I'm aware. I'm aware.
Yeah, they're the evil chosen villains that are gonna have to convert in the end.
I know the story. But let's just back it up.
You said Jesus conquered Satan.
Hold on. Jesus conquered Satan, but Satan's still in charge of this world.
But Jesus and God have him on a leash and they're letting him do whatever.
Just waiting in the clouds to come down and save the day.
I don't know what else has to happen before that.
Well, I'm praying he saves you.
Also, the church, the rock that Jesus built...
Is predominantly Zionist and you would argue hijack Vatican II, Schofield, whatever.
So is that really a victory or does Jesus have to return and fulfill the rest of the prophecies?
He didn't finish the job the first time so he's got to come back and crush the head of the snake again.
This sounds like a Jewish scripted drama to me, and I don't believe any of it.
Well, the drama changed my life.
It's a great change.
The changing moment, the defining moment.
Now, the crushing of the head of Satan is the destruction of what he wanted to do with mankind for all eternity.
But Christ put that to an end.
This is the end of the era of death and corruption and disease and decay.
But we're in a juxtaposition.
It's already, but not yet.
It's already, it's not yet, but already.
It's just a profound paradox.
Sounds like the Trinity.
They're the same, but they're different.
Like, you can't say that we're in the age of no death and all of these wonderful things.
There's lots of diamonds. I didn't say that.
There's lots of state panic stuff everywhere.
I say it's intertwined.
Death and life are now intertwined, but we no longer die in a ditch like a dog.
We fall asleep.
How could you prove that, though?
Because you've said that several times.
How do we know that you don't die in a ditch like a dog?
I don't have to prove it. The holy prophets...
State it without having to try to prove it.
That's the problem with Jay Dyer.
He thinks intellectually, you know, with his nonsense, okay, that you're going to have to prove this.
The church fathers, and I put that on a tweet of yours, a comment, and you liked it, because the church fathers don't have to prove anything.
All they do is quote the holy prophets.
Maybe not to you.
To me, they do. I don't just take Hebrew prophets, you know, as gospel prophets.
I don't take it as gospel. Well, I think you take it as something seriously because you fight against it.
It has a tremendous influence in this world.
But somehow it has some impact on you that you feel you have to fight against it.
Yeah, look at what's going on in the Middle East.
Look at all of our politicians that are total slaves to a foreign country and think that they live in the Holy Land and they're the chosen people.
Look at all these Christians that are calling me a Jew and making up lies about me because I don't believe in the king of the Jews and magical Jewish prophecies.
But with the state of Israel, you and I have always been side to side on this.
We've always been both against this.
So there's many areas that we can join together as we once did.
But now, because you see this Jesus myth, as you call it, I think you called it, what else you call it?
The Jesus hoax, whatever you call it.
Hoax, deception, psyops, all of the above.
Because you see this Jesus deception, it's made such an impact on your life that you, every moment of your day, when you hold your daughter, when you go to sleep at night, you're thinking how to fight it.
So somehow, this has made some kind of major impact on your life, even though you say it's a deception.
That's the defining moment that I see in you, that you are just fighting this night and day, day and night, without sleeping.
It's just continual, it's non-stop.
So somehow the Holy Prophets have made a very strong impact on Adam Green's life.
Just as they have on mine.
There's no denying that the Torah is the most influential book of the last 2,000 years.
It's played a defining role in so much of history in people's lives.
And when you realize something like that is a grand deception, and it's mythical, and the most influential person of the last 2,000 years never existed, everybody wants to say everything's a conspiracy except the Jewish religion that took over the world, except the mythological figure that is...
At the center of the two biggest religions of the world, Christianity and Islam?
Like, yeah, I said that's my defining moment, because...
But there you go again with Christianity.
I don't see the word anywhere in the Bible.
It does not exist.
It certainly does not exist in any of St.
Paul's writings, St.
Peter's writings, Jude's or James' writings.
It's not there. It's always the Church.
The Church. You know what else isn't there in James and Paul and Jude's writings?
A historical Jesus. It's here everywhere.
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