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Sept. 25, 2024 - Brother Nathanael
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Episode 30: DEBATING Adam Green
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well hello it's me again your number one Noticer! Hey!
Hey, we got my old buddy here.
We really are friends, but I'm going to tear him to a hundred pieces.
Should friends do that?
Yeah, it's a debate.
Okay, so I'm debating Adam Green of No More News.
Now let me give you a little intro here.
Adam and I go back, you know.
We were on JewTube together.
Well, he had his channel, I had my JewTube.
And he was doing some great stuff, and I was calling out the Jew, and he was calling out the Jew.
He was doing stuff on Israel, you know, calling out Israel, okay?
Then I had 80 million views, he had probably 30 million views.
And then I got banned and Adam Green was still on.
I called him up and said, why, why are you still on and not me?
Remember that Adam?
Remember?
Is he there?
Is he talking?
No.
I feel like I never talked to you until we were both already banned.
Cause, cause we were, we never had a show on YouTube.
Yeah, no, we never did a show on YouTube, but I used to watch you.
I used to watch your videos.
You may have watched me, but I don't think I ever talked to you before while we were on YouTube.
In 2020, I think it was November 2020 is when I was banned right before the election.
Oh, you were on a long time after me.
I was banned like in 2016.
Man, you hung on to that thing.
Yeah.
All right, but then we started talking and then we did a stream.
Right?
Remember?
Yeah.
Okay.
We're going to debate now.
Okay.
We're gonna get right down to business.
I'm trying to joke around a little bit, but Adam is very serious here.
Okay.
Well, Adam, I'm just going to tear you in a hundred pieces.
I hope you're ready.
You know, now for it, let's hear it.
Okay.
Let's swing away.
Okay.
We don't have, uh, anyone refereeing this thing.
So Adam, how about we do this?
We... I'll start with a position, and I won't talk longer than a minute, minute and a half.
Then you'll refute it, or give your position.
Okay, whatever we do, it'll be no longer than a minute, minute and a half, okay?
Got it?
Okay.
Alright, I forgot to get my watch.
Now, we have to begin.
Now, Adam Green keeps on saying, That Christianity, quote-unquote, Christianity is a Jewish conspiracy to bait the Gentiles to bring them under the thumb of rabbis and Jewry.
Is that what you say?
Is that your position?
Not under rabbis, no.
Christianity is Judaism.
For the nations, for the goyim.
And the whole purpose of Judaism and the Messiah was to subdue and have dominion over the nations.
And that's why the Jesus myth was fabricated and sold to the nations by Paul or Saul the Pharisee.
So, to get the nations to worship the God of Israel, not be under the rabbis.
Okay, so you say that Christianity is a conspiracy, a Jewish conspiracy, to get the nations to be under the God of Israel, the Jewish God.
You could call it a conspiracy, but the bottom line is that it was started by Jews, it's a myth, and the purpose was to get the nations to have faith in the God of Israel.
All right, let me begin with this terminology.
It's not Christianity, it's the church.
Jesus Christ established not Christianity, which is an abstraction.
That word does not exist anywhere in the New Testament.
Jesus Christ said to Peter, upon your confession I will build, not Christianity, my church.
And the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
Now, the church is not the Baptists.
The church is not Protestants, which you keep on quoting these people, these evangelicals that worship Jews more than they worship Jesus.
The church is the historic church, and it was established in Europe, and then the eastern part was Byzantium, the western part was Rome.
The Catholics, the Roman Church, the Pope is just a Bishop, it just means Father, Papa.
It was a group of Bishops who were the successors of the Apostles.
So it's the Church, not Christianity, that you are saying that the Apostles, Saul of Tarsus as you put him, or Paul, created this myth, but they established the Church.
So I want to begin with that.
And it's the church through the sons of Japheth, the white man of the white race that destroyed your myth, your paganism, your Greek mythology in 400 A.D.
It's over!
And all it was for all the Gentiles who hated it.
It was pessimistic.
It gave them no hope.
They thronged to the church.
Not Christianity to the church, an organism.
They throng to it because man no longer dies in a ditch like a dog because of your mythology.
You want to call us, call Jesus a myth?
Yours is a myth that was destroyed and the church built the greatest civilization in Europe.
Okay, kid.
What do you have to say to that?
You can call it the Church of Christianity, it doesn't make a difference to me.
It's still, whether you call it Christianity or the Church, it still worships the Jewish God, it still believes the Hebrew Torah, it worships the King of the Jews, the Jewish Messiah, as the Son of God.
It still has all the same scriptures.
I'm not just criticizing Protestants, sometimes we'll show clips of Protestants, but You guys still believe almost all the same things as the Protestants.
You share the New Testament, you share the Old Testament, along with the rabbis, so that doesn't make a difference.
And yes, you're right, it is the myth.
The pagan myths are just as real as Jesus and Yahweh, except the pagan myths don't tell you that the Jews were ever chosen by God, and it doesn't have you worshiping the Jewish God as the one true God.
I don't know why you call it the Jewish God.
But yes, the rabbi's whole goal was to destroy the pagan, heathen idol worship and get all of the nations to be Noahides and worship the God of Israel, and they brag that Christianity and Islam helped them fulfill that.
Yeah, but uh... Does the church not worship the Jewish God and the Jewish Messiah?
He's not a Jewish God, he's the creator, before any race ever existed.
God is not of a race, man.
No, no, I didn't say that God is a Jew.
He's the Jewish God.
As in, the only people that believed in this God and considered themselves chosen by this God We're the Jews.
We're known as the Jews, the Iudaeans, the Judeans for hundreds of years before Christianity.
Thus, it's the Jewish God.
All the first Christians were Jews.
Paul explicitly says, is it the God of the Jews only?
No, the God of the Jews and of the Gentiles.
So it's the Gentiles worshiping the Jewish God.
No, it's not a Jewish God.
Because God told Jeremiah that he was going to give the Jews a Bill of Divorcement.
He was going to be done with the Jews.
It was predicted in Jeremiah.
I have it written down here somewhere.
I think it's Jeremiah 8.
Because Judah has committed adultery and faithless Israel has committed adultery, I give them a bill of divorce.
That's not what Paul said.
Paul said, has God abandoned his people?
God forbid.
No, he has not.
All of Israel will be saved.
They're only temporarily hardened and blinded and stumbled over the stumbling stone of Jesus
according to the prophecies.
But in the end, all of Israel will be saved.
And it does say that there is an everlasting covenant in the Old Testament.
And what does Paul also say?
He says that although they're hated according to the gospel, they're loved on account of
the patriarchs.
You don't know the scripture, man.
They are not all Israel who are of Israel, okay?
So all Israel is the Israel of God, the remnant.
Saint Paul was part of the remnant of Jews who remained faithful and accepted the new covenant.
The rest is desolate.
Jesus Christ said, your house is left unto you desolate.
The kingdom will be taken... That meant the temple, though.
No, it's all of Jewry.
Their house is left unto them desolate.
They don't look too desolate to me and they have the state of Israel again so if that's the prophecy then it's not come about.
But the church doesn't accept the state of Israel.
It sees it as an anti-Christ state.
Whether they accept it or not, it's still there.
The state's still there.
They have nukes.
They're about to get us into World War III.
But the church does not accept it as an entity, a religious entity.
It looks upon Israel today as an anti-Christ entity.
Now maybe the Baptists do, but I am not a Baptist, and I am arguing from the church, the historic church.
Now they are not all Israel who are of Israel.
Right, yeah, because the Gentiles are... because the king of the Jews was sacrificed by the Jews according to the Jewish scripture.
Now the Christians get to be fellow heirs and adopted and grafted in to the Jewish covenant.
Judaism's the root, Christianity is the branch, and Paul says the branch shall not boast over the roots, because the roots support you.
But yes, Because of the transgression of the Jews, Gentiles have been brought salvation.
So really you should be thanking them for Giving you your atonement savior and allowing you to be grafted into the New Covenant.
No, no, I'm a part of the Israel of God.
The Israel of God existed from the time of Adam and Eve.
That is the Church, the Israel of God.
And the Jews who were unfaithful to the Old Covenant and the New Covenant are not part of the Church and are not part of the Israel of God.
I didn't say they were.
See the problem is they say you're heretical, you say they're heretical, but they're still there with the state of Israel.
They're still considered the people of Israel.
And that's when Paul says all of Israel will be saved, he's not talking about the remnant, that's something different.
A remnant was the only Jewish Christian believers that believed in Jesus.
But he still says all of them will be saved when the fullness of the Gentiles has come in and the prophecies are going to be fulfilled.
And really the whole problem is Christianity is on the controlled paradigm where it opposes Jews on one level, but it still worships the God of the Bible, still believes the Torah, still believes that Jews were ever chosen by God, believes in the prophecies of the nation of priests, believes in the Messiah, believes in the end times.
So really, there's like not much daylight between rabbis priests. They both believe almost all of the same
foundational Jews. They're both apocalyptic messianic Torah Judaism. See the problem is is
that you're in a state of death and so am I. What are you gonna do about it? I'm
not worried about dying and the the promise of everlasting life or the fear of
eternal punishment work I don't buy it at all.
You're the enemy of your own salvation, man.
That's just people trying to manipulate you.
He's trying to use fear to manipulate you to have faith in the God of Israel and His chosen people.
Do you think the Jews were ever chosen by God?
At one time, but they repudiated when they crucified Jesus Christ.
And Jesus foresaw it, and He said, Your house is left unto you desolate.
The kingdom will be taken away from you and given to a nation more worthy of you, and that's the sons of Japheth.
The white race that destroyed your mythology in 400 A.D.
and built the greatest civilization that ever existed.
And they don't worship a Jewish god.
They worship the triune god who existed from all eternity before Jews or Gentiles were ever created.
And God says to Jeremiah, I am giving them a bill of divorce.
Let me quote you a church father, okay, from the first century.
St.
Ignatius of Antioch.
Who?
Yeah.
Okay.
It is absurd to profess Jesus Christ and to Judaize.
It is absurd to speak of Jesus Christ with a tongue and to cherish in the mind a Judaism which has now come to an end.
This is the church father, the foundation of the church in the first century.
He says, Judaism has come to an end.
For where the church is, there cannot be Judaism.
That's Patristic, such a church father.
I understand that's what Christian teachings is, is that the law has been fulfilled and there's a new covenant now.
But I don't know if you've looked around, but Judaism has not come to an end.
In fact, it's still strong.
It's basically stronger than ever right now.
And it's got most majority of Christians on its side shielding it from anti-semitism and helping advance their end times prophecies.
And I want you to read Romans 3 29.
I memorized it.
What is it?
He's talking about Yahudim, those who are true praisers of God and those who are not.
That's what the word means there.
He says, is God the God of the Jews only?
Is he not the God of the Gentiles too?
Yes, of the Gentiles too.
Sounds like the Gentiles are worshiping the Jewish God.
It was only the Jews that thought, that were believing this God before Christianity, so thus it's the Jewish God.
It was God who revealed himself to the Jews, and the Jews rejected the promise of the Messiah.
Is he granting, giving the Jews?
It's controlled opposition because saying yes the Jews you were chosen and your prophecies are real and the whole world needs to worship your Messiah one day.
That's giving them way too much.
You need to tell them if you really want to oppose them you say your prophecies are fake, your mythologies are fake, and you were never chosen by God.
Anything less than that and you're enabling and playing into the whole Abrahamic paradigm.
The Abrahamic paradigm is that he would bear the seed that was promised to Eve, who would crush the head of Satan.
And that seed, through Abraham, would bless all nations.
Now that seed is Jesus Christ, who the Jews rejected.
But only a small remnant who are of Israel, because St.
Paul says they are not all Israel who are of Israel.
So it's only a small remnant like me, like Paul, who have joined the church, and the church is made up of The remnant Jews and the Gentiles and we are all through baptism, a new creation, we are now called Christians as members of the church.
Now I want to get back to this situation about cosmically the world is in a state of death.
Now maybe you don't care about it, but the Gentiles who were inundated with Greek mythology and they realized this was a dead end, And it was pessimistic.
They hungered for eternal life.
They hungered for hope for a new life.
And that's why they were baptized and that's why their church grew in Europe.
It grew in Europe because somehow the Emperor Constantine was convinced to make it the state religion and after a few decades They outlawed all the pagan religions by death penalty if they sacrificed to the pagan gods.
Judaism wasn't outlawed.
Christianity was imposed.
Paganism was outlawed.
And that was the whole goal of Judaism and the Messiah was to conquer all of the gods of the rest of the world and make Christians Noahides.
I don't—there's no Noahide laws in the church.
There is.
It's in Acts 15, the list of the Noahides, where James and Peter and the Jerusalem council decided, yes, you can go teach Teach this to the Gentiles.
It was just not drinking blood, that's all.
There's no high laws per se.
But let me get back to this situation about the Greek mythology.
It died out.
There didn't have to be any laws against it.
It was just dying out.
The church was growing.
And, as far as Jews were concerned, yes, they still existed.
They still had their religion.
But beginning with Constantine, Theodosius the Great, and then in the 6th century, Justinian the Great, put into law.
Three novellas.
They're called novellas.
The Jews cannot hold civil office.
The Jews cannot hold financial office.
And the Jews cannot hold any educational office.
And this goes back to the original statement by Saint Ignatius.
Where there is the church, there is not Judaism.
Now Judaism today is not biblical Judaism.
So it is dead.
Because there's no priesthood.
It's over.
Judaism is empty, so they had to substitute the rabbinic office because the priesthood is gone, hadrian destroyed, every single genealogy of Aaron, Merari, and Gershon.
Does Second Temple Judaism and modern-day rabbinical Judaism have more in common or more differences?
Second Temple.
With each other.
The Second Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D.
I know, but besides the Temple Sacrifices, which they're aiming to rebuild, it's still Judaism.
It's still almost all of the same beliefs.
They can't rebuild it.
Now this thing came up on Twitter with the Twitter twits about the Red Heifer.
Do you know this was stopped immediately?
The Temple Institute fagaloped.
And I told people like Stu Peters, you're going to look stupid if you keep on talking about this red heifer.
It's going to stop.
And the reason it stopped, for two reasons.
First of all, there's no priesthood to sacrifice the red heifer.
And the Hasidim, who control the religious policy in Israel, said, you're going to stop this because we can only have a red heifer sacrificed when we have an Aaronic priesthood, which is also including the Gershonites and the Marorites.
Those are the three orders of the priesthood.
Now also, just as an aside, a red heifer could not be sacrificed because it's an admission of killing innocent people.
So for the Jews to sacrifice a red heifer, it would be admitting that they are killing innocent people in Gaza.
But the main issue is there's no priesthood.
It was put to an end.
It stopped.
Boom.
And he was told, this guy who was the head of the Temple Institute, you're not going to do any red heifer until Moshiach comes.
Until Trump gets back into office and they have his back.
And you say, like, they don't have a priesthood.
They'll just make up a new priesthood.
They'll just anoint a new priest.
You don't think that they'll bend these cosmic rules?
Are they not known for using loopholes?
Let me ask you a question.
I heard that they're training new temple priests and they have the temple garbs and all of the temple ritual instruments and all that stuff.
Let me ask you a question.
You know the Bible pretty good.
I know you grew up... Before we move, can we stay on this topic real quick?
Don't you believe that Jesus is not going to return?
No, this is a question on this topic.
I have a question for you on this topic.
Okay, alright.
I'll note down my question then.
Go ahead.
Now, Adam Green, for all the listeners, knows the Bible pretty good.
He doesn't understand it, that's for sure.
But he can quote it here and there.
What don't I understand?
Tell me what I don't understand.
You don't understand.
You said all Israel will be saved, but they were not all Israel.
That's what it says.
Explicitly that's what it says.
He means those who are faithful to the New Covenant.
It's not all Jews.
Most Jews deny the New Covenant.
But let me ask you a question.
I'm not going to throw out any ad hominems anymore.
Okay?
That you don't know, understand the Bible.
I'm not going to say it anymore.
Okay?
We're having a debate.
Now, you know the book of Ezra.
I know you do.
Because you grew up in the Bible.
I know that.
I know a lot about you.
Okay.
Now, when Ezra brought some of the Levites, Aaron, Morari, Gershon, the priesthood, back to Jerusalem from Babylon, How did he distinguish who could serve in the temple?
Come on, Adam.
Okay, I missed the first part of the question.
I was reading a verse.
You said when they returned from Babylon, how did they decide?
If they're of the tribe of Aaron, right?
Or the Levites.
How did he decide who gets to go into the temple and make sacrifices?
How did Ezra decide that?
I don't remember specifically.
I would guess they have to be the Levitical line or in pure, most likely.
Yes, they had to show their patrimony.
And if they couldn't show their patrimony, it's right in the book of Ezra, he threw them out.
He says, unless I see your genealogies, that you are descended from Kohath, Merari, or Gershon.
You ain't coming in here, you're not going to do a single thing in this rebuilt temple.
It's the same thing when the Jews have their Antichrist, who they call Moshiach.
They have to prove, through genealogies, Not only who the Messiah is from the tribe of Judah and the clan of David, that's a pretty tall order, now he's got to figure out the genealogies.
Who is from Kohath, Aaron?
Who's from Arari and who's from Gershon?
I've debated rabbis, I stumped them on that.
Okay, well if this was such a big problem for rabbis in Judaism, like they would have called it quits if they're like, oh, No, they're still hopeful and praying for the third temple and waiting for Moshiach every day.
So obviously there's some type of loophole or caveat here that lets them get around that not knowing the lineages.
And like I said, they'll probably just make it up.
But so you mentioned that the Antichrist, that's what I wanted to ask you.
Don't you believe that before Jesus can ever return, the Antichrist has to rule from the temple in Jerusalem?
Probably, but he can create the state of Israel.
I give Israel another six years and it'll be over.
They're right in the middle of the Muslim world.
You said probably, though.
So Jesus will never return.
It's the prophecies.
Jesus only returns when the third temple is built and the Antichrist claims to be God in the temple.
Well, I don't know if it's the Third Temple or not.
He's going to build some kind of temple and he's going to establish himself and call himself a Christ.
So how could you say that it'll never happen and they'll never do this and they'll never do the Red Heifers if you also believe?
It's like you're saying God's prophecies will never unfold.
Because the Antichrist can just build anything and say, I'm the Messiah.
And all the Jews will believe him.
Because Jesus said someone will come in his own name.
It doesn't have to be a state of Israel.
He can just take a lot, a plot in Palestine, whatever it is, and say, okay, I'm building this edifice and I'm going to be the Messiah.
That's simple.
I think it has to be in the special spot on the Temple Mount.
Well, the Temple Mount is now Port Antonia.
Antonia.
What is it called, the rock that they have in there again?
The foundation stone, that's right.
The Antichrist can do whatever the hell he wants, okay?
If he is the world ruler, he can create something... He can only do what God wants, actually.
No, he's going to do whatever he wants.
But I don't know what the hell is his domain to the subject.
So God doesn't have the control over what the Antichrist does?
God can't destroy the Antichrist?
He could, but he allows evil.
So God allows him to do what he does, then?
That's the point I just said.
God gives us free will, Adam, and he allows evil or he will intervene.
So it's both.
He either has direct intervention or he permits evil or permits good.
So he permits everything Satan does.
God permits everything Satan does, then.
Not everything.
Well, he doesn't stop it.
He's got a long chain on him.
He's got a long chain.
The church is still growing.
In spite of your efforts to cut it down, the church is growing.
Our Russian Orthodox Church is just being flooded with converts, constantly.
Among European people, you talk so much about white people, among European people, Christianity is in rapid decline.
I'm not talking about Christianity.
I'm talking about the Church.
The Church is blossoming in Russia.
The Church is blossoming here in America.
It's not just the Russian Orthodox Church that's blossoming.
It's the Antiochian Church.
It's the Greek Orthodox Church.
It's the Serbian Church.
We're just getting new converts all the time.
So we're growing in Russia and we're growing in America.
Well, Europe is going to hell.
There's no fertility rate, and they're atheists, and they have bought into homosexuality and lesbianism and transgenderism.
Europe is a lost cause.
But America can save Europe.
Yeah.
Let's go back to the all of Israel will be saved, because I'm looking at it right now, and it seems like you're totally wrong here.
It says, starting at verse 25, so Romans 11 25, it says, I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited.
A hardening in part has come to Israel, meaning the Jews, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in to believe Jesus.
And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written.
Well, he starts with the basic premise.
They are not all Israel.
Who are others Israel?
So it's only the remnant.
He says, has God forsaken his people?
God forbid, because I am a believer in Jesus.
The same thing with me.
So when he says the fullness of the Gentiles, this is interpreted by St.
John Chrysostom in his book of Romans.
That's when Jesus comes again.
That's the fullness of the Gentiles.
And all Israel, that is the Israel of God, will be saved.
Me, other Jews who are coming in, and... Right, he's talking about the Jews that are going to convert at the end times, which also Christianity is controlled opposition, because according to Christianity, Judaism has to be preserved.
And it has to be around at the end time so that these practicing Jews can ultimately convert to believe in Jesus.
But the next verse there, 28, regarding the Gospels, they, the Jews, are enemies on your account.
But regarding election, they are loved on the account of the patriarchs.
So it's saying that they're loved, they're not abandoned.
He says, God forbid that they're abandoned.
No, they'll all be saved in the end.
It's only a temporary hardening.
But the elect are those who believe in Jesus.
I'm the elect.
Limited opposition.
I'm the elect.
It's not he just says, oh, you can just, you know, come into the church.
The election are those who show themselves worthy, like me.
I have shown myself worthy by embracing Jesus Christ, getting baptized, repenting of my sins.
That's who the elect are.
You keep on saying Christianity.
You have to go by the basis of the church.
And I gave you this quote by... Well, I'm not saying this Protestant person says something.
You gave me a quote from a church father.
I'm reading directly from the scripture.
Yeah, but you're not reading it correctly.
The premise is they are not all... they are not all Israel who are of Israel.
So it's only a small remnant.
But then all of Israel will be saved, meaning all of the Jews will be saved.
No!
The ones that do convert.
No, just the Israel of God.
Because they are not all Israel who are of Israel, and the fullness of the Gentiles is the second coming, and then all Israel, that is the Israel of God, the elect, like me, like Paul, like Peter, like the disciples, like the first believers in Jesus Christ.
We are the elect.
We have shown ourselves worthy by not turning our backs on Jesus Christ.
That's the understanding of the word election.
I get what the understanding of the word is, how he uses the word.
Well, then we disagree.
Then you have your interpretation, I have the correct interpretation, which is St.
John Chrysostom.
Let me read another quote to you.
He says, do you not believe that many Jews are going to convert?
To believe in Jesus in the end times?
Aren't they already?
Isn't Messianic Judaism growing a lot already?
The end times is when... It's very clear.
You know the scriptures.
The end times is when Jesus Christ came and was incarnate.
That's the end times according to the scriptures.
For in these last days God speaks to us through His Son.
These are the end times.
These are the last days when Jesus Christ came.
That's the beginning of the last days.
Now let me read another quote, and you tell me what you get out of this.
It's Saint Ignatius again, from the first century of Antioch.
The Jews are an accursed brood.
They are the enemies of the cross of Christ.
They killed the Lord of Glory.
And now, by denying the Christ, and being murderers of the Lord Jesus Christ, it is too little to style them just merely murderers of the prophets they crucified the Lord of Glory, they are an accursed brood.
So how in the world can you get from that that the Church Fathers, who were successors to the Apostles, have some kind of conspiracy to bring the nations into a Jewish God when St.
Ignatius says they're in a cursed brood in the first century, and where the church is there cannot be Judaism.
How do you get that conspiracy from that?
One sect of Jews saying another sect of Jews is cursed for rejecting the Messiah doesn't mean that they're not all worshipping the God of the Jews.
They're still worshipping the Jewish God.
And like I just showed you in the verse, it says He's talking about the elect, the Israel God.
but hated but also believing that they're chosen.
He's talking about the elect, the Israel God.
Their win, their ultimate goal is to get the nations to believe
in their prophecies and their God. Did Christianity make the Gentiles believe in the God of Israel?
The church, not Christianity. The church.
The church believed in the God of Israel.
Through the apostles and their successors.
Were the apostles all Jews?
They were mystical, Torah-observant Jews.
They weren't Torah-observant because the Torah was there.
There was no more priesthood.
There was a new priesthood after the order of Melchizedek.
The new priesthood was before the temple was destroyed.
But they looked forward to the destruction of the temple, to the new covenant.
No, no.
The apostles knew that the old covenant was coming to an end and they were establishing the new covenant where there's no longer a Torah priesthood.
There's a new priesthood after the order of Melchizedek as prophesied by the prophet David.
Now the prophets are a wonderful group of people because they predicted that the Messiah would come who would renew creation.
We're in a state of death.
All creation is now in a state of death.
But the Messiah would come to renew creation, and he would establish salvation in the church, a new priesthood, where we can be baptized, become new creations.
We could take the holy body and blood of Jesus Christ, instead of blood sacrifices.
It's a whole new game.
So, I don't know why you keep on saying that these are Torah Jews, the apostles.
They are not Torah Jews, because the law is over.
Peter wouldn't even eat with the Gentile Christians.
Paul had to scold him for refusing to eat with the Gentile Christians.
This is a transition.
And he had to have a vision in order to go to the house of the Roman.
It was a transition period.
It was very difficult for them.
The point is, is they were Torah observant Jews, and the thing is, is also- For a while, but then they stopped.
The temple was destroyed.
It was the end of it.
And they already established a new priesthood.
But this is a transition period.
They're stuck in a juxtaposition.
I mean, you've got to cut them some slack, okay?
They were worshipping at the temple since they were children.
But now it's a transition period where the temple's going to be destroyed, and St.
Paul predicts this.
He says, "...the wrath of God is come unto the Jews to the uttermost, calling them the enemies of humanity."
So, if you want to quote St.
Paul... Yeah, I believe that verse in Thessalonians is a later Christian interpolation.
I don't think Paul wrote that, because Paul died before the temple was destroyed, and that clearly shows knowledge that the Jews are being punished with the temple's destruction.
A lot of scholars believe that that's an interpolation.
Well, the scholars of our church say that he did not die in 70 AD, he died afterwards.
Let me ask you something.
He showed no mention of the temple's destruction besides that one thing.
And in fact, it definitely shows he has an ignorance of the war in 66 or the temple's destruction.
But let me ask you this.
If Jesus was a myth, if I'm right, and he never existed, and he started as a cosmic celestial messiah from scripture, And he was later historicized with symbolic fiction.
If Jesus was a myth, would you agree that it's a it's a deception?
But it's not a myth.
I mean, there's so many prophecies saying the Messiah would come before the destruction of the Second Temple.
That's how you know it's a myth.
They wrote the story from the prophecies.
But these are prophets who lived centuries before Jesus Christ came.
And in the Dead Sea Scrolls, you can see they're reading the Old Testament.
They're ignoring the original context.
They're searching the scriptures for hidden mysteries about their redemption and the Messiah.
You see this in the Dead Sea Scrolls, even in the Melchizedek Scroll.
It connects Daniel 9 and Isaiah 52, which the later Christians also connected to create their pressure of the Jesus narrative.
Just like Paul never knew Jesus.
Hold on.
Paul never knew Jesus.
He says explicitly he didn't learn about him from any man.
Only from reading scripture.
No!
And from revelations.
That's what he says.
From the revelation of Jesus Christ.
And what is that?
It's hard for you to kick against the pricks.
That's what Jesus Christ said to Paul when he knocked him off the horse and blinded him.
That's from Acts though.
That's not from Paul's letters.
And Acts was written much later.
He says explicitly, right?
Paul never knew the earthly Jesus.
But he said he saw him.
He goes, am I not an apostle?
Have I not also seen the Lord?
Yeah, he saw the resurrected Jesus.
So to be an apostle and see the Lord, you never actually have to know the historical Jesus.
He saw the resurrected Jesus Christ.
That's the historical Jesus.
Paul's authority and his source for information on Jesus is from reading the scriptures and from having his visions, his mystical ascension experiences when he says he's caught up into the third heaven.
All saw Jesus?
That's how the first Christians, James and Peter, saw Christians at all.
That's pretty good to be caught up in 3rd heaven.
Hey, do you think I'm a dumb guy, brother?
Do you know how many books and how many years I've been studying Jesus being a myth?
Well, you want to talk about you?
You're 40 years old.
I'm 74.
I've been a believer in Jesus Christ since I'm 21.
So you want to talk about how many years you read books and how many years I read books.
I got you topped.
I topped you on that one, too.
Okay?
So forget that one.
I'm going to read you another quote.
So what books have you read arguing that Jesus is a myth?
I don't even want to read that because I've studied the prophecies since I was a child.
I didn't understand them.
I studied the Old Testament as a Jewish boy, and I read the prophets.
My dad had us read the prophets, and our Shabbat school teacher wanted us to understand the prophets.
So I read it.
I didn't understand it, but I did read it.
And then a lightbulb goes off in my mind when I read Matthew for the first time, because we were forbidden to read it, because we were forbidden to read the New Testament.
It was called not kosher.
So finally I read it at the age of 18, and I was convinced, just by reading the genealogies, which are gone now, that Jesus Christ is the Messiah.
And all the prophecies that I had read as a kid and didn't understand just was like a light bulb going off.
Yes, He will conquer death.
Yes, He will crush the head of the serpent.
Yes, He will be King Messiah.
Yes, He will be of the seed of David.
Yes, he will be born of a virgin.
Yes, he will be born in Bethlehem.
Yes, he will come before the destruction of the second temple, which is in Daniel, which was very difficult for us to understand.
We tried to read it in Aramaic, and we couldn't even do it as kids, because our teacher said Daniel was written in Aramaic.
But I read the Proverbs and didn't understand them.
So I don't have to read about myths.
I don't have to read that Jesus was a myth.
I'm convinced.
Coming out of Judaism, where I was forbidden to even say the name unless I use it as a curse word, and there's a Jewish curse word for Jesus.
So, I don't have to read about that Jesus is a myth.
I come out of Judaism where we were forbidden even to say his name.
And then, when I read the New Testament, I was convinced he is the Messiah, he fulfilled the prophecies of the holy prophets, and I will go to heaven, I will have a meaningful life, and creation is renewed, beginning with me as a new creation, and I have meaning to my life.
I don't think you do with your Greek mythology.
I don't believe in Greek mythology, but I definitely do have meaning to my life.
You're very impressed, a lot of Christians are very impressed with the prophecies all being fulfilled.
They're not all fulfilled, but many of them are.
What's more likely, that a magical superhero 2,000 years ago, that's written about nowhere else but in the Bible, decades after the event, fulfilled hundreds of prophecies of scripture, or some ancient Jews just made it up.
They fabricated a story, because they knew all the scriptures, they studied all the prophecies, they're searching the scriptures for mysteries, hidden mysteries about their redemption, and they read the Son of Man, the anointed one that's cut off in Daniel, the Son of Man that you see in the Enochian literature, and then they connect that to the suffering Messiah of Isaiah 52-53, and then there's similarities between Zachariah 3, 6, 9, and 12.
You are not far from the kingdom of heaven.
And then you have the whole Jesus story.
What a coincidence, just from connecting a couple passages in scripture, you can have the whole core elements of the Jesus story.
Look, Moses said, he wrote it down, that God said to the snake, that Lucifer, that Satan spoke through, that he, the seed of Eve, will crush your head.
Now, this was written 5,000 years before Jesus Christ came.
And this is the promise that the seed of Eve is going to renew creation.
He's going to crush the head of Satan.
He's going to undo everything that Satan did by bringing in death and corruption and decay.
That is a promise that goes back 5,000 years from the prophet Moses.
So how you get to all this fabrication, I don't know, because that's not the only thing.
Jacob then says a star will arise out of Jacob, and he will come from Judah.
So already Jacob is saying that the Messiah will come from Judah.
And he says he will conquer Edom, which they later interpreted to be Rome.
No, Edom was metaphorical for the enemies of the Israel of God.
Edom doesn't exist anymore.
And the prophet Nahum said that Edom will be extinct.
So within a hundred years after the prophet Nahum, Edom is extinct.
Now you can say the Idumeans are partly Edomites, but they're extinct too.
Okay, but let's go back to the prophecy, okay?
Because we have hundreds of prophecies.
The whole story of Jesus, it's like, and then he did this so this scripture was fulfilled, and then this happened.
You can source back and see all of the roots where this Jesus narrative is derived, all throughout the scriptures.
That's pretty amazing that they were able to prophesy this.
The Jews are really chosen.
They have the prophecies of God.
All of these magical things happened and nobody noticed and wrote about it outside of the Bible.
But they rejected it.
Or some Jews just made it up.
What's more likely?
They rejected it beginning with Moses.
He called them a perverse, crooked generation in his song.
So what's more likely?
One explanation requires magic and one just requires a Jew to write a story.
What's more likely?
A Jew wrote a story or all of this magic is real?
Well, it was many prophets from different times, different areas.
But they had all those books, Brother Nathaniel.
Some ancient Jews, they had all of these scriptures.
Wisdom of Solomon, Songs of Solomon, Isaiah, Psalms, Zechariah, Daniel.
They used these books and they read and they saw Jesus in the scriptures.
That's where they found him.
That's where their source of information was.
Hebrews doesn't even talk about a historical figure.
It talks about a heavenly high priest who is When they say, and then Jesus says, they just quote straight from the Old Testament.
The only way the first Christians knew of Jesus was from reading Him from Scripture.
No, Jesus appeared on the road to Emmaus.
You remember that, Adam.
I know you know the Bible.
And they didn't know it was Jesus, and He opened to them, beginning with Moses, all through the prophets, those things concerning Him.
And they now understood Everything about him that he was trying to teach them before he resurrected.
Now their hearts are open on the road to Emmaus.
You know the scripture, Adam.
You read it as a child.
Yeah, he opened them up to the scriptures.
That's allegory for, that's a giveaway verse that Jesus comes from the scriptures.
Everything will be fulfilled.
They were literally, it's like an exercise where they're like, how can we create a messiah and have him fulfill everything that's messianic?
That's the prophet.
The whole deception is based on prophecy deception.
I say their prophecies are self-fulfilling and they follow them like a script.
You say they're real and they were really chosen.
What's more opposition?
To say their prophecies are fake or say the Jewish prophecies are real?
Well, it's pretty amazing that beginning of Moses all the way through Malachi, That they predict the coming of Jesus.
These are different people from different times, from different periods, from different walks of life.
They had all of these books and they created it.
This is why Christians say Jesus is on the page of the Old Testament.
They thought of all of the Old Testament and they saw it like a puzzle where you can connect different things and then come up with a pesher in Midrash.
That's what the traditional terms are called.
I want to talk to you about a moment in your life and in my life, okay?
Let's try to get real and not so debating-ish, alright?
I had a moment coming out of Judaism, Adam Green, my friend, I consider you a friend, okay?
I had a moment where I knew Jesus Christ was real.
Coming out of Judaism, when I read Matthew, and I was forbidden to read the New Testament, I went far away from Pittsburgh, I went to school in California, and I bought a New Testament.
So I had a moment when I read the Gospel... Some kids sneak away with pornos, Brother Nathaniel snuck away with the New Testament.
All right, I got you to laugh, okay.
So I had a moment.
I made you laugh.
Well, but you were smiling, okay.
I had a moment, and that's rare for you, okay, because I see you on your streams, you're not smiling enough, okay.
I had a moment.
Just yelling, yelling, angry, black belt.
You have a mocking smile, but I finally got a genuine laugh out of you.
Okay, I had a moment when I knew Jesus Christ was real.
Did you have a moment?
Where you felt that Jesus was a myth.
And was it a formative moment for you?
Because I know you grew up as a child in the Church of Christ and you believed in Jesus Christ.
I didn't believe he was the Son of God and his death saved me from hell.
I never believed that as a kid.
But your church teaches that.
The Church of Christ teaches that.
That you grew up in.
Did you grow up in the Church of Christ?
Yeah.
Yes.
Okay.
I know something about Adam Green, people.
So, yeah, I never actually believed that stuff, and I questioned the Bible.
I said, like, this seems like made-up stories like the rest of the made-up stories that I read or the movies I see.
But I never actually believed it.
I didn't think that much of it, but I figured there probably was some guy, and he was a reformer, and there was later legends written about him.
That's what I thought.
Until a few years ago, when I started reading all of these huge books obsessively, like On the Historicity of Jesus by Richard Carrier, and Gospel Fictions, Learning How the Gospels are Fictions by Randall Helms, or The Jesus Puzzle by Earl Doherty, or Nailed in Jesus Mything in Action by Fitzgerald.
Or right now I'm reading a PhD dissertation written in 2019 by a PhD Raphael Lattaster questioning the historicity of Jesus which debunks Bart Ehrman's book Did Jesus Exist?
The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth destroys his argument.
You know there's been two peer-reviewed books by PhDs arguing Jesus started as a whole cloth myth.
And there hasn't been any peer-reviewed book for decades arguing that Jesus did exist.
This was the best one.
It wasn't peer-reviewed.
And Carrier and Letaster rip it to pieces.
So once I started doing that, I learned it was a myth.
A myth started by Jews.
Why?
Go read the scriptures.
It clearly says it.
To conquer the nations, theologically conquer the nations, all flesh will bow down and tremble in fear.
Every knee will bow to the God of Israel.
That's the conspiracy.
Oh, now you do admit it's a conspiracy.
And I say it's not.
Well, it's a messianic Torah conspiracy.
I don't see how the Jesus myth would allow the conquering of the world if it's a myth.
How does a myth conquer the world?
I don't get it.
Why would the Gentiles come into the church in throngs and get baptized and the church just Buds and grows and blossoms until 4th century A.D.
No one wants anything to do, except for a few, with Greek mythology anymore.
I don't see how a myth can do that.
I don't see why the disciples and the apostles would go out... Myths are powerful.
...and be willing to be... But look at Plato, the noble lie, the myth of the noble lie.
Myths are very powerful.
There's no greater form of mind control.
Has 2,000 years of Christianity led to more Jewish power or less Jewish power in the world, where we're at today?
Well, in Russia it's less because the Jews are now second-class citizens again under Putin.
That's not what Chabad says.
Chabad says they have great conditions in Russia.
He won't go to the speeches anymore.
He stopped going because he's in the 13th row and the Patriarch of Russia is in the 1st row.
He got very jealous.
Lazar, whatever the hell his name is.
So he doesn't even go anymore because he's a second class citizen.
I haven't heard that.
I haven't seen that reported.
I'd like to see the source on that.
I'll send it to you.
I have sources in Russia.
I'm with the Russian Orthodox Church, you know.
But you've been doing videos for years talking about the power of the Jews, and how much influence they have, and how Christianity has supposedly been hijacked by the Jews, so they're doing pretty well, they've got a lot of power, right?
Has Christianity helped facilitate that, or has it stopped them and stamped them out?
Well, the church is going to become more and more prominent, and Jewish power is going to end in America.
Already everybody hates the Jews.
No one likes the Jews.
They hate them.
The whole world hates the Jews, and the young kids are on to the... That's not true.
I think most Christians, the majority of Christians, think Jews are God's chosen people, and they're elevated to a special, supernatural, divine status.
That's the Baptists.
That's Christianity.
No, you agreed that the Jews were once chosen by God.
At one time, but if you go through the whole... Right, I say they were never chosen, so who's really putting them up on a pedestal?
If you go through the entire Old Testament, most of them denied God.
That's why Moses says in his song, they are a crooked and a perverse generation.
So Moses says that.
And all through the Old Testament, you see this crooked and perverse generation.
Because only a perverse, crooked people need to have a law of Moses that says, don't put a log in front of a blind man.
These are wicked people.
And they always have been.
And that's why I quoted this from Saint Ignatius.
The Jews are an accursed brood.
They are murderers of the Lord.
And where the Church is, there cannot be Judaism.
This is the Church.
It's not the Baptists.
Hold on.
I've got to pause you there.
What's the point about complaining about the Jews killing Jesus?
What's the point?
Was that not God's plan?
Does it not say in Acts that it was preordained and that was the prophecies?
It's like they didn't even have a choice.
That had to happen.
Christianity wouldn't exist if the Jews didn't kill Jesus, right?
You're back with Christianity.
I'm talking about the church.
Would the church exist if...
Jesus didn't die as the sacrifice and the atoning sacrifice?
He died to bear our sins and to conquer death.
That's the patristic interpretation of what he did.
Okay, that's not some sacrifice of God taking his wrath out on Jesus.
That's not the patristic church's view.
I didn't think it was God taking his wrath on Jesus.
No, I didn't think that.
But nonetheless, complaining about Jesus dying when that's That's the most important part of Christianity, is the death of Jesus.
And it's all the prophecies.
It's the resurrection.
Why blame the Jews?
Did Jesus not lay down his own life according to God's own plan?
Yeah, that he may raise it up again, he says.
Quote the whole scripture.
So what's the point of getting mad about Jews killing Jesus?
It's silly.
You can't convince most Christians to get upset about this.
You definitely aren't convincing any secular non-believers to care about this.
It's a losing, dead-on-arrival, I agree with you there.
All it does is give them their victim status and discredit opposition and keep the opposition
from the kosher, on the kosher paradigm.
We should be condemning Judaism and rabbis for wanting their Moshiach to conquer the
world, not because they rejected the Moshiach that's meant to conquer the world.
Alright, I'll agree with you there.
If there is a conspiracy, it would be Judaism, because the Jews don't even believe in an
They believe in a separate type of soul that only Jews have, and that Goyim don't have.
And somehow they believe that they have this divinely given land, which they don't have.
They think they do, but they don't even believe in God.
And they're shielded from all criticism.
So if there's any conspiracy, this is where we would agree.
It would be Judaism!
That's the conspiracy, not the Church!
Would you have your salvation if the Jews didn't transgress and kill Jesus?
Look, the church fathers— Would your sins be forgiven if the Jews didn't kill Jesus?
Just yes or no?
Say the question again?
Would your sins be forgiven if the Jews didn't kill Jesus?
But the church fathers said he could have died anyway.
There was other ways he could have died, but that's the way he chose.
He could have died in his sleep.
He chose, he chose.
He wanted that.
Well, because he's God.
He decided.
Mine hour has not yet come.
He decides when he's going to die.
And he decided it'll be through crucifixion.
But the church fathers teach that he could have died in his sleep.
He could have gone in a corner somewhere and fell over.
He didn't have to die by the cross, but that is what he decided to do, and that was revealed to the prophets that he would do that, because that was his decision.
Revelation does not, I don't need 100,000 books like you need for your myths.
The revelation of God speaks for itself.
It's the Word of God.
And I don't need books to prove it.
I read it, and I understand it, and that's my moment.
When I came out of Judaism and read the Gospel according to Matthew, and I said, yes, Jesus Christ is the Messiah, I do have eternal life, my sins are forgiven, and I will be a new creation in Christ, and I get baptized.
As the Bible says.
So, the genealogy in Matthew, that convinced you Jesus was the Messiah?
Yes, it did, because I knew... Because his lineage was through the King of David, and he's the seed of David?
Yes, absolutely.
The genealogy in the Bible goes through which parent of Jesus?
It goes through Joseph.
It goes through Joseph.
Yes, absolutely.
Was Joseph the biological father of Jesus?
No, the Holy Spirit.
Well, then what's the point of showing his genealogy, then, if he's not the father?
Because this is according to his flesh.
This is according to his humanity, which he has from the Virgin Mary, and I suppose Joseph in some way.
So he probably took on the features without copulation, without semen.
He probably took on the features of Mary and Joseph, which he can do easily.
So he probably looked like her.
He probably looked like his mother.
If he's not the seed of Joseph, then he's not the seed of David, if the lineage goes through.
But he's really not the seed of Mary either.
It's a virgin birth.
But he became a human being, so he took on the features of the Hebrew race.
And he probably looked like Mary, and he probably looked like Joseph.
Yeah.
Fine.
But still, that doesn't change the fact that it was a virgin birth, and there was no seed of copulation.
I want to read one more quote, Adam.
I don't need a thousand books.
You've got a million books you want to read on the Jesus myth.
I have the Scriptures, and if there's something I don't understand, I go to the Church Fathers like I quoted you.
I'm going to quote them one more time.
We can have a second debate, because I like you, and we've always been friends.
Saint Ignatius, the first century.
This is my last statement and you can make, I'll let you have the closing word, okay?
It is absurd to profess Christ Jesus.
This is first century A.D.
Saint Ignatius of Antioch.
He's the one who sat on Jesus' lap.
It is absurd.
Okay.
Okay, but go ahead.
Sorry, I don't believe that, but go ahead.
All right, I do.
There's a lot of things I believe that you don't.
There's things that you believe that I don't.
That's why we're having this debate.
It is absurd to profess Christ Jesus and to Judaize.
It is absurd to speak of Jesus Christ with the tongue and to cherish in the mind a Judaism which has now come to an end because the priesthood is over.
The Old Testament is over.
There's no more temple.
For where there is the Church, there cannot be Judaism.
This has been the position of the Church, the historic Church.
In the East, it's Byzantium.
In the West, it's the Catholic Church.
They were once united as one Church until the 11th century, the Great Schism.
I don't go with the position of the Baptists, the Evangelicals, that kiss the Jews' asses.
We don't do that.
We don't recognize Israel, other than it being an Antichrist state.
It's founded on their position that Jesus Christ is not the Messiah, and they are all of the spirit of Antichrist, and they have the deicidal curse.
But don't you need the Antichrist?
Doesn't the Antichrist have to come before Jesus returns?
Yeah, fine.
That doesn't have to be an issue.
Well, I guess you're not really... I mean, it's like you're opposed to the Antichrist, but you also need the Antichrist.
I don't need him.
From the outside perspective, it seems like you almost worship the Antichrist.
No, no.
Like, it's part of God's plans.
It has to happen.
This is what Jesus...
Predicted that an Antichrist would come.
But he could have decided before all creation, when he wasn't a Jewish God, he could have decided there won't be an Antichrist.
But he decided there would be.
That's his order for redemptive history.
And that's what he decided.
Doesn't have to be.
There's no fatalism.
This is what he decided would be the outcome of redemptive history.
That he'd come, and then the Antichrist would come to an end, then he'd return and create a new heaven and a new earth.
So people ask me, oh, is there races in heaven?
Well, there's a new heaven and a new earth.
Adam, we're going to wrap it up.
Why don't you give the last statement?
I gave mine.
Okay, you kept citing Ignatius of Antioch about saying don't Judaize, but I find that funny because Christianity is the Judaization of the Gentiles.
It's worshiping the Jewish God, the Jewish Messiah.
It believes the Jews were once God's chosen people.
Christians consider themselves circumcised hearts, inward Jews, spiritual Jews.
So, Christians are Judaizing the rest of the world.
The Baptist A-holes believe that, but that's not what St.
Paul was talking about.
In fighting over, like, what Judaism means, I define Christianity as a branch of Judaism.
It is a branch of Judaism.
It's apocalyptic, messianic, Torahism, Yahwehism.
I established the terminology, it's the church.
The church is not abstract Christianity.
It is an organism where you get baptized, become a new creation, where you take the Holy Eucharist and partake of divine body and blood.
It's where you can confess your sins and have them forgiven.
that continue after baptism.
It's the means of salvation.
Which church saved?
It's the Orthodox Church, not the Baptist Church, who worship Jews more than they worship Jesus.
That's my final statement.
There cannot be the church in Judaism.
Judaism has come to an end, with the end of the priesthood and the end of the temple.
Now you can make your closing statement.
We're going to wrap it up.
I understand you consider Judaism spiritually come to an end, but in the real world, Judaism is alive and kicking and more powerful than ever, and there's the state of Israel.
What is the group that's the greatest allies and supporters of Israel and Zionism today in the world?
What group is the greatest supporters of Zionism in Israel?
Not the Russian Orthodox Church, that's for sure.
It's the evangelical Baptist idiots.
That's Christianity.
So the majority of Christianity is not real Christianity, it's been hijacked, it's false teachings, it's Zionism, so it's bad, right?
The Orthodox Church considers Protestants, Evangelicals, Baptists, heretics.
But we have the true faith, we have the true priesthood, after the Order of Melchizedek.
The Apostolic Priesthood, and there's no Judaism.
Zionism is the most prevalent form of Christianity today.
Supporters of Israel, that's a bad fruit.
Can a good tree bear a bad fruit?
The Orthodox Church does not accept Zionism.
That there cannot be a return to Israel.
Because... You're contradicting yourself.
You said that they do have to return to Israel and have an Antichrist.
I didn't say that.
That will happen.
I said the Antichrist doesn't have to be in Israel.
The Antichrist can just take a plot of land in Palestine and build a building that looks like the Temple.
That's the position of St.
John Chrysostom.
It doesn't have to be a state of Israel.
There is no Zionism in the Orthodox Church.
They repudiated the promise to the land.
Only the meek shall inherit the earth.
Not Jews.
Not Christ-killers.
Not those with the deicidal curse.
They call it curse on themselves.
That's why St.
Ignatius calls them an accursed brood.
And where the church is, there cannot be Judaism.
I established our terminology from the beginning.
You keep on going back to Christians and evangelicals and Baptist heretics.
It's the Church does not accept Zionism.
The Orthodox Church does not accept Israel.
The Church does not accept anything about Judaism at all.
The Orthodox Church is leasing the land for the Knesset in Israel.
They lease the land that the Knesset is on.
Okay, this is called real politic.
It just happens.
You said they don't support it though, and they do.
And they collaborate with the rabbis as well.
Look, there's such a thing as real politic, and they own the land, and they're making money from leasing the land, or else the Jews wanted to take that land for themselves.
No, this is a good thing that the church did.
They said, you're not going to take that land, that's our land.
The Russians have land.
The Russian church has land in Palestine.
And so did the Greeks.
And they told the Kites, they told the Jews, you're not going to take that land.
We own it.
And there was a big argument about it with the Russian church, about the monasteries there in Mount Olive, which has a big monastery there.
There was an argument about that.
And the Russian church put their foot down and says, you're not going to steal that land.
And the Greeks, they say, okay, you're not going to sell the land?
What?
Does the Church worship the God of Zion?
Well, Zion, according to the Church Fathers, is a heavenly Jerusalem.
It's not some earthly thing where Christ was crucified by Jesus.
Do you want Gentiles all over the world believing that Israel was the Holy Land?
There's nothing holy about it.
There's bloodshed everywhere.
Where does Jesus return?
He doesn't return to Israel.
He returns in the sky.
Not on the Mount of Olives?
Coming down in a cloud on the Mount of Olives?
No, that's Baptist nonsense.
He will return in flaming fire, burning up his enemies.
He's not going to land in Israel.
That's Baptist crap.
And who are his enemies?
Anybody that doesn't believe in him?
Those who have denied him, those who worked against him, those who Proposed and fought against him?
Calling him a myth?
Huh?
Calling him a deception?
Adam?
Yeah.
Yeah, Adam.
Okay, so I believe this is what I'll close.
When I hear rabbis talk about Moshiach is gonna come and anybody that's not a Noahide decapitation and an ivory knee will bow.
They sound exactly like Christians sound when they say Jesus is gonna come and all the goyim gotta bow down and worship him, otherwise be destroyed.
That's why I see you guys both just different aspects of the same Messianic Judaism.
The Orthodox Church, Messianic Judaism or Baptists with yarmulkes on.
It's just ridiculous.
Do you want the whole world to worship the Messiah in the end times?
It already is the end times.
The end times is when Jesus was incarnate, who came to earth.
That's the end times according to scriptures.
So you want the whole world to worship the Messiah, though, in the end times?
I would like you to believe in Jesus Christ.
I would like a lot of people to believe in Jesus Christ.
And the rabbis want the same thing.
They want the Torah Messiah from the prophecies to rule the whole earth.
So you guys want the same thing?
No, I don't want people to worship the Antichrist.
I want them to believe in Jesus Christ, to bore their sins, conquer death, and renew creation, and we can all be together in a new heaven and a new earth.
Those who believe in Jesus Christ, work for Him, live for Him, not those who deny Him.
Call Him a myth and call Him a deception, but you're going to come out of that.
I'm rooting for you.
We've got to end.
I'm rooting for you.
Nothing would be better than Brother Nathaniel to take the final green pill leap and actually oppose Judaism by exposing Judeo-Christianity.
No, I'm in the church, not Christianity.
You're not listening to me, man.
Here's to your long life.
I wish you a long life.
Cheers to your Russian vodka there, I'm sure.
But I really do appreciate you for having me on and having this debate.
We'll do it again, man.
A lot of other Christians are scared to have this conversation.
They're scared to be friendly to me.
They're scared to give me a platform.
Okay, let me say this.
Tip my hat to you, sir.
Let me say this to Stu Peters and everyone else.
Adam Green is not a Jew.
No Jew would ever mistake him for being part of the tribe.
He has not an ounce of Yiddish kind in him, okay?
He looks like an Aryan!
Hitler would be proud of him!
Pure Viking blood.
Thank you, brother.
To your health.
And your children.
And your wife.
Thank you, yeah.
I'm about to have another one, like, we're a week away from the due date, so any day now.
A healthy baby and have ten more, okay?
Thank you.
I wish you well.
Appreciate you.
Look forward to seeing what the chat has to say about this.
Oh, did you see the news?
I saw you had Owen Schroyer on the other day.
Apparently Alex Jones is being forced to sell InfoWars now.
That's the news breaking just a few minutes ago.
Oh, did they padlock his offices?
It said that it's going to be auctioned off, so somebody else might buy it, I guess.
It is going to be auctioned off.
Well, it has to be padlocked first.
He's got a court trustee, and the court trustee doesn't go through the DOJ.
He doesn't go through the feds.
He just calls the police, shows them the papers of the court trustee, and says, put a padlock on it.
Then he auctions off the equipment.
Has he done that?
They might padlock it, yeah.
But they might.
See, Alex Jones is always in a crisis mode.
I don't know if it's really happened yet.
But I want you to have Owen Schroer on.
I need to have him back on.
Last time it was all an interrogation.
I'd like to just maybe, you know, talk to him about the issues this time.
But the edit that your guy did was so good with that beat drop and it was hilarious.
The crickets when he was explaining, like, you're all, who is they?
And it was like crickets in the background.
Whoever edited that, I wish I had... Adam, the youth love me, okay?
I got kids, 14, 16, 17 years old.
Just love the old man, the altar cocker.
You know, they just love me, okay?
And they do this stuff for free.
You know, a guy who does clips for, I think, Gavin McGinnis.
He does some of my clips.
And they do it for free.
They just think I'm cool.
You know?
Alright, we're gonna end this thing.
Alright.
And... Thank you.
You're great.
I like you.
I'm still.
Oh, wait!
I got something new!
It's the Brother Nathaniel wake-up call!
Okay?
The Jews are ruining this country, but not for long.
Wake up, Goyim!
Wake up!
And I'm your number one!
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