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Stealing America Intellectual Property, Chinese Style - with Dennis Uebersetzig Blood Money Eps 294

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	All right, guys, welcome to the latest episode of Blood Money.
	Let me give you a quick little preface to this whole episode, I guess.
	You know, we've done episodes prior to this about how American businesses are treated within China.
	There was actually a whistleblower episode we did a while back, about four or five months ago, where we learned through this whistleblower that if you're doing business with China in China, essentially our citizens are treated very badly by the Chinese government and the Chinese courts.
	So let's say you have a problem within China, Chinese factory rips you off and you sue them within China.
	They drag it out.
	They make it impossible for you to ever prevail in their courts.
	It's literally a waste of time, money.
	It's too political.
	They will simply not side with Americans.
	On the inverse of that, if you're doing business over here with Chinese business people, our courts, apparently, according to this expose we did, they have preference towards Chinese citizens.
	So you're in a situation here whereas as an American citizen, you're screwed if you do business over there.
	You're screwed if you do business over here with the Chinese because our courts do not provide preference for American citizens.
	And in fact, they side with a lot of the Chinese business people.
	Now, the reason why I've brought this gentleman on, Mr. Dennis, is because I've actually heard about this amazing tire technology that was pioneered by a gentleman named Sammy in Las Vegas.
	I heard about it a few years ago.
	Met with him because he wanted some media work done.
	And he explained to me why this tire technology was so great.
	And he was going to make a gazillion dollars.
	He had the patent and he was ordering tires from China.
	And then we don't talk for a long while.
	Next thing I hear, Sammy is involved in a whole bunch of issues with his tire technology being stolen.
	And so Dennis is here.
	He's one of Sammy's partners, the pioneer of this tire technology.
	And here's here to really explain what happened to us.
	So Dennis, I'm going to pass the mic to you.
	Tell us who you are, what you do, how you got involved in this mess, and what is going on.
	All right, you want me to start from the very beginning, Volin, and kind of tell the whole story, like I told you the other day?
	And just like.
	Well, yes.
	But I want you to give us the real quick broad strokes, cliff notes of where you are right now, and then backtrack and tell us how this all started.
	Okay, where we are right now, kind of cliff notes, is the Chinese manufacturer who was manufacturing our tire has stopped selling us the tire that we developed and has joined another American, his name's Dallas Reed, in marketing the tire.
	He has completely cut us out, with the exception of selling us one size of tires for the Spec Corvette series, which is a spec racing series that I actually acquired the contract for the tire being the spec tire for them.
	And so that's kind of where we're at right now.
	And then, you know, I can back up and kind of.
	Okay, what I want to do is, I mean, it's crazy.
	That's crazy stuff that that would even happen.
	What I'd like to do is backtrack and tell us the history of all this, because I think what's really important is a lot of people in the United States, you know, they have great ideas, they have pirating technologies, they then, you know, go into it and they realize it's very hard to manufacture here, that you have to outsource.
	So take us to those steps.
	If Sammy comes out with this technology, how he got there, and then what happened once he started wanting to get into manufacturing?
	Why did he even go to China?
	You know, what was his expectations?
	Why did it go wrong?
	And also, what are they saying?
	What's their reason for doing this to Sammy?
	Right.
	Well, Sammy's been around motorsports for longer than I have.
	I've been in at least automobile motorsports.
	And I've been around, I've been racing in some form for 20 years, but about 10 years in cars, 10 years before that in carts.
	And Sammy just, he's just got a very entrepreneurial, innovative spirit.
	And he just desired at one point to develop a, what's called a 200 treadware ultra high performance tire that competes with some of the biggest brands in the industry.
	And so he met a couple of tire manufacturer contacts at SEMA back in the mid-teens, worked with one tire manufacturer.
	They just sent him a bunch of junk and never worked out.
	And then he finally met Jeff, who was a CEO of a company called Vitor from China at SEMA.
	I believe it was 2016, 2017, around that time frame, and pitched his idea of developing a very competitive tire.
	Actually, they set out to make the best tire in the segment.
	But Jeff really didn't have any experience or knowledge on the technology of how to develop this type of tire.
	They were kind of mating bus and truck tires.
	So basically what happened was Jeff started sending Sammy some samples.
	And the first couple runs of samples that they tried were just complete junk.
	Sammy almost threw in the towel and said, this is not going to work.
	But Jeff kept convincing them, no, let's keep at it until we get there.
	So they developed more and more kind of samples or prototypes, I guess you'd like to say, all with Sammy's input.
	I mean, everything that was developed from the ground up was all like Sammy from the cord design, the way the steel belts cross, everything was coming from Sammy's expertise in tire technology.
	And he's also a racer, right?
	I mean, that's a capacity where I saw him.
	He actually invited me to some races where, excuse me, the whole thing that I found very interesting is that you would trick out these, I mean, cheap little old Miatas, and these things would be beating Lamborghinis.
	Because one of the things I learned is that, you know, yes, if it's a straight course, then obviously a Lamborghini is going to win.
	But if it's all windy and twisty, these tricked out, you know, $20,000, $30,000 Miatas are actually beating $400,000 sports cars.
	So and then twistier.
	Yeah, on smaller, twistier courts and auto and autocross tracks, which are very turn-intensive and not a lot of straightaways.
	The Miatas compete with just about anything.
	It's crazy how good the Miatas are.
	And I'm a Miata racer myself.
	That's actually how Sammy and I kind of got introduced to one another.
	So yeah, he raced, has been racing Miatas for years.
	In fact, his racing background kind of ties into this story a little bit because he had an issue with SSCA back in, I think it's 2016, 2017 timeframe where they accused him of breaking some rules.
	He kind of went back and said that he hadn't broken rules.
	And anyways, it got really ugly and got personal.
	And the people at SSCA basically banned Sammy from the SSCA.
	I have to ask this question because I know that like this whole controversy's been used to try to make Sammy look bad, right?
	Which, you know, when it, okay, look, even if you're a bank robber, somebody's stealing your patent, there's no, you know, I mean, just because you've done something bad in another realm doesn't mean that you could have your intellectual property stolen, right?
	But what I've heard is two versions of the same this story, which is that people are accusing Sammy of cheating.
	But I've also heard the version of the story where he actually wasn't cheating.
	He was working within the rules, but nonetheless, they were upset because he was being successful.
	So, I mean, tell me what your point of view is and what receipts you have on the topic.
	Well, it's almost comical because racing is known to people to skirt the gray line of the rules to try to gain any little bit of advantage.
	And almost any competitive racer has done it in the past and sometimes maybe stepped over the rule lines.
	It's not uncommon.
	If you go to the NASCAR Museum in Charlotte, they literally have a whole section of where people have cheated, got caught cheating.
	And even to this day, even in professional motorsports, people get caught cheating here and there.
	What is cheating, though?
	I need to understand, like, what do they accuse them of exactly?
	And tell me, I mean, in your point of view, tell me the pro-cheating argument and the anti-cheating argument.
	Tell me both.
	It had to do with control arms.
	And they accused him basically of manufacturing control arms that looked just like the stock arms that allowed him to get more front camber out of the tires.
	And the camber is when tires are, you know, this is a zero camber.
	Control arm.
	What's a control arm?
	Well, a control arm is part of the suspension that connects the wheel to the pivot points.
	So the control arm.
	This is a layman's question.
	I'm sorry, because I don't understand any of the rules of how this stuff works.
	It would seem as though getting, you know, cool kind of suspension, unless you're doing like rocket fuel or something that's not customary on cars would be permissible, right?
	I mean, how much could you cheat with suspension?
	Well, there's a lot.
	There's a lot of different, a lot of every class has a set of rules.
	It's one of the things in motorsports, it's kind of crazy.
	The rules get so diluted over time because what ends up happening is they find somebody that did something that's on the gray line or just a little bit over the rules and they make a rule to prevent people from doing that.
	And they, you know, I have a background with a company here in Southern California.
	They actually developed the racing series that I ran.
	And the reason they developed it was that they got kicked out of an organization called NASA for life because they said that they were cheating, but they really were just following the rules, but they got really, really good in there winning a bunch of stuff and pissing people off politically.
	You know, there's an old saying in racing.
	I believe Christian Horner from F1 is the one that may be credited with saying this, but who knows?
	It's probably been said for years.
	It's like, if you want to get really unpopular in motorsports, start winning everything.
	The first thing that people think of if you start winning a lot is that you must be cheating.
	Yeah, especially, I mean, you know, just look, I don't have a lot of experience with Sammy, especially, but I did see him race a Lamborghini and win.
	I'd be pretty pissed off if I spent half a million dollars on a car and then got beat up by some kind of $30,000 hoopty.
	So I don't know if that has anything to do with it, but you know, it's very hard to kind of like, when you're seeing it visually, you're like, wow, these are all tricked out cars.
	And you see Sammy's Miata looks like, you know, from like 1992 and is winning.
	So, I mean, that's a pretty optical, optical shocking thing.
	Yeah, yeah, it's definitely a nuance of motorsports.
	It happens from the grassroot level all the way up to professional level.
	So the fact that he got banned from SSCA and there was so much politics surrounding that and people at SSCA that just really kind of got a bug in their bonnet regarding Sammy is kind of, it's kind of silly.
	It's really, you look at it, it's silly, silly, silly stuff.
	There's plenty of people.
	There's a gentleman, his name's Andy Hollis.
	He works for Grassroots Motorsports, and he got caught cheating back in the day with SSCA, and he got banned, and then something happened where he got back into the good graces and now and unbanned.
	But he got caught doing stuff that was way more egregious than what Sammy caught.
	And he's now like the big tire tester in the industry for Grassroots Motorsports magazine.
	The reason I mentioned his name is he actually kind of ties into this story a little bit because Sammy knew him, sent him a set of test tires early on in 2022, 23-ish.
	And he did a test on them and found, published a bunch of things that were inconsistent with what we were experiencing from all of our customers at the time.
	So we were pretty much getting 100% positive feedback on the tires, on how fast they were and how long they lasted, and also on our own personal testing, how fast they were and how long they lasted.
	And he came out with this article in Grassroots Motorsports, which is a very respected publication in the industry that the tires were basically, you know, they were fast, but they wore out really fast and they just weren't that great of a tire, basically.
	So that kind of hurt for a time being there.
	And that was one of the factors that caused, and I'll dat into the story as I go back and tell the whole story, why SSCA in 2024, or at the end of 23, beginning of 24, banned the tire for competition in SSCA.
	And that doesn't seem like it's a big deal, but for this type of tire in this segment, the 200 treadwear ultra high performance tires, SSCA is the biggest sanctioning body for events that use these type of tires.
	They're very popular in Autocross and also some types of spec racing, just because in racing, one of the most expensive consumable items in racing is tires and then brakes.
	Those are the two things that get consumed and have to be used quite often.
	And the real popular tires that are out there, although they're fast, they don't typically last that long.
	So this tire was a little bit of anomaly.
	It's one of the reasons I got involved with the business is I tested the tires early on and they were faster than any other 22-word tire that I ever tried.
	And then they just kept wearing and wearing and wearing and staying fast and staying fast through their life cycle.
	And they lasted four or five times as long as any other tire that I had tried, which is, you know, not that great for a business model.
	Some people theorize that tire manufacturers do that on purpose, build tires that don't, you know, that are fast that don't last long.
	So people have to buy more of them because it is kind of just a segment of the tire, the whole tire industry as a whole.
	It's only people that are really interested in high performance tires for the road or they're competing in some events will actually purchase this type of tire.
	Oh, amazing.
	I thought you were going to keep going.
	All right.
	So tell me, like this, it sounds like really groundbreaking technology that Sammy, you know, discovered.
	I mean, what are, you know, I like to kind of be totally transparent with everything on this podcast because people are going to do their research.
	They're going to find out that Sammy was accused of, you know, cheating.
	You know, again, not that you could go murder somebody, right?
	It doesn't mean that somebody else could steal your technology.
	That's like, it's, it's two different categories, you know?
	So tell me a little bit more about like, what is the things they're saying, the reasons why they're, they stole this technology, what's going on right now?
	How's the sales?
	You know, where is this right now?
	Because from what I hear, the tires are selling.
	It's just selling under somebody else's name and brand.
	Well, I think what I've kind of, I've given kind of the cliff notes versions.
	What I need to do is kind of back up and tell the whole story.
	And then we'll get that, which will address the questions that you're posing here.
	So basically the tire technologies, you know, tires have been around for a decade.
	So what the difference in how tires perform are a combination of a couple of things.
	One is the way the steel bands that are used to make the tire, the angles that they're at, how many of them there are, where they are, the stiffness of the sidewall, the size of the sidewall.
	Size of the sidewall is really not a big deal because different size tires have different sidewalls.
	So that's not a huge deal, but the stiffness of the sidewall is a big deal.
	And then also the compound of the tire, what rubbers are used and how they're mixed together.
	It's not just like they use one type of rubber.
	There's usually synthetic rubbers and rubbers and how those are mixed together.
	And that's all ties into the technology of a tire, what makes a tire good or bad, basically.
	So, and then also there's other things like the molds that are used and the tread pattern, how the tread patterns are implemented on the tire.
	So there's a lot of different things like that.
	And so go back to the kind of the original starting point of my story when Sammy approached Jeff from VTOR and they started developing this tire.
	You know, all those things, Sammy had input in the prototypes of building this tire.
	And, you know, I met Sammy back in 2021-ish and I just met him through a mutual friend from racing.
	And we kind of developed a friendship and camaraderie and started talking on a fairly regular basis.
	And he started telling me about these tires.
	And so I actually tested the predecessor of the current tire, which is called the P1, which was called the Enzo.
	And that was probably in 2022, mid 2022-ish.
	I was kind of helping organize the racing group that I was in, kind of the point man to the event organizers, kind of the intermediate between our racing group and the organizers.
	So I had a little credit, little bit of credibility.
	I was a little, I was kind of a big fish in a small pond, if you want to say.
	So Sammy, and I also had some input on the spec tire that would be used for our series.
	So I started testing the Enzo as a potential spec tire for our series.
	And it was a good tire, but it wasn't like a standout great tire.
	I had driven on other tires that had similar performance characteristics to the Enzo.
	So, you know, Sammy kept kind of kept working on me and saying, you know, we're coming out with the next version here soon.
	I want you to test that and see how you like that.
	So I tested that tire at the end of 2022, and it was the most amazing 200 treadwear tire that I'd ever driven on.
	It actually outperformed 100 treadwear tires, which are kind of like a slick.
	They call those slint semi-slicks.
	They're DOT slicks that have just two grooves on them.
	And they're really developed for just motorsports applications.
	Even though they are technically a DOT tire, they don't, nobody uses those for their, you know, on the street per se.
	By the way, I want to throw in something about Sammy here just to illustrate Sammy's kind of character and personality for people that don't know him.
	I mean, for the brief occasions where I've hung out with him, literally 100% of the time, and I'm not joking, 100% of the time, the man talks about racing.
	He is so in love with cars and racing.
	I felt like, you know, when you're little kids and, you know, boys discover cars and all they could talk about is cars.
	He never grew out of that stage.
	He never grew out of it, dude.
	He went, he, he went for, I remember one time I went to watch the races that day when I was telling you he was racing the Lamborghinis and stuff.
	And I was so exhausted, 6, 7 p.m. because you're breathing in these fumes the whole day.
	And frankly, if you're not into racing, it's a really shitty experience.
	I mean, I'll be straight with you because you're, you know, for anybody that's been to like, I don't know, like a gas station or a mechanic shop and there's fumes, I mean, it's like being stuck in that times like a thousand, right?
	And I felt like crap because all I'm breathing in is crap the whole day.
	And Sammy decided to skip dinner so he could go go kart racing.
	Yeah.
	I was just like, dude, I'm going to kill myself if I see another car.
	Okay.
	Like, I'm out.
	I'm going back to the hotel.
	But that's, I got to appreciate a man with passion.
	That's, and obviously he's passionate.
	And that's how, you know, people that are very tunnel vision are the ones that invent those kind of cool things.
	Yeah.
	He's very passionate about motorsports.
	So, so yeah.
	So he he started, got some samples of that P1, the latest generation of the tire that has become so popular at the end of 2022.
	I tested that tire, went faster on it, liked it better than any 200 trader tire I had ever driven on.
	And I'm like, okay, maybe there's something here.
	And then in all of the 212, the 2023 season, I loaned those tires out to people that were in our race series just to test them out.
	And every time, every single person that tested them like, these tires are amazing.
	Where could I buy them?
	And I had to tell them, well, they're not really available yet.
	This is a prototype, but they will be shortly.
	So my interest continued to peak.
	And as time went on, I actually used the tires at the end of 2023.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	Sorry.
	The next 2024, at the beginning of 2024.
	So I'd had to use those tires for the first time in 2022 at a track called Willow Springs, which is a very popular track here.
	It's actually the oldest road course in America.
	It's up out of by Lancaster in Roselawn, California.
	A lot of the scenes from Ford v.
	Ferrari were filmed at that track.
	So it's kind of an iconic track.
	So that first time I used the tires, I did a lap time in a Miata of a 132, mid-132, something like that, faster than I'd have gone on any other tire ever.
	And so then I loaned the tires out.
	They had a ton of use on them for all of 23.
	The beginning of 2024, I took that same set of tires and went out and raced at Willow Springs on that same set of tires and set the exact same lap time that I did when they were brand new the first time I used them.
	So at that point, I'm like, all right, I'm in.
	Like this tire is going, as soon as this, people become aware of how good this tire is, how long it lasts and how good it stays over time and how consistent it is and how good the feedback is, this tire is going to become the best tire and the most popular tire in the industry.
	So that's when I kind of got involved financially and started helping Sammy with some capitalization that he needed to bring the tire into the country.
	And so what happened at the end of 2024 or towards the end of 2024 when that tire manufacturer, I'm sorry, this is the end of 2023, not 2024, end of 2023, when that article on grassroots motorsports got published about the tire.
	There were some other things that happened online.
	There was a gentleman up out of Washington, and I forget his name, but he was kind of an aspiring YouTuber.
	And he posted this video that went kind of almost viral in the motorsports community on how Sammy was a cheater.
	And the V-Tour was a, was a cheater tire.
	And it was just this really kind of casted a bad shadow over the tire.
	And I knew it was a bunch of BS because of my experience on the tire.
	I mean, we've, you know, I got to mention this because there's a lot of historical parallels to this sort of thing.
	It's not like You come up with an industry, you know, changing product, and all the people in the industry are like, hey, red carpet, you know, drive us all out of business forever.
	So, I mean, it's like we've heard this sort of thing.
	We've heard how, you know, what's his name?
	Bill Gates, you know, Microsoft, the antitrust stuff, he was trying to put everybody else out of business, pretty much destroying lives to make sure that his operating system was the main one, Netscape, you know, attack those guys.
	So this is something that just happens, you know, and tell us more.
	I mean, it sounds like a really cool tire.
	It sounds like Sammy should be a billionaire right now, but you tell me.
	Well, I mean, not a billionaire, but you should, that's a little, I mean, it is, I think the tuner threadwear market's probably around $100 to $150 million a year market.
	And, you know, the top tire in the industry, typically everybody wants it.
	You're looking at probably, you know, $50, $100 million of that portion of the market.
	So.
	I mean, we're talking about like, I mean, we're still talking about the dude potentially losing tens of millions or something or what's the, how would you quantify what this loss is for him over the course of, let's say, two, three years?
	What has he lost?
	Well, it's not just him.
	It's me because I, you know, when I got involved in this and with Sammy, we kind of started partnered up and I, like I said, capitalized the business because when that article was published at the end of 2023, the SSCA actually took a look at the tire and said, okay, this tire doesn't have, it's not in the tire guide, the official tire guide.
	We have no guarantees of acceptable inventories that we require to make a tire legal.
	And because of those and the article and kind of all the other political stuff surrounding the tire, they just said, you know, we're just going to make the tire illegal for competition for 2024.
	So that kind of hampered our sales of 2024.
	But the end of 2023, I just invested a large sum of money to bring the inventory into the country that was needed to get SSC approval.
	And then a couple other things happened.
	Sammy has a friend that has been a CEO of multiple different companies.
	I didn't really know him very well.
	His name's Robert Dupree and he wanted to help us.
	He didn't like ask for anything.
	He's a motorsports junkie too.
	In fact, that Lamborghini that you're referring to that you saw Sammy win a lot of cross on, it actually belongs to Robert Dupree.
	So he said, let me go online and start helping you guys in the kind of community.
	And he's like, just give me, just give me a title.
	And it's nothing official.
	And we said, all right, we don't care what your title is.
	Say you're the CEO, whatever.
	We don't care.
	Like if you want to go out and help us online.
	So he went online and basically declared himself as the CEO, started a Facebook, a personal Facebook group and started kind of marketing that and kind of debunking some of these accusations that have come about.
	And he actually kind of went after Andy Hollis from Grassroots Motorsports and said his test results were a bunch of BS.
	And because of Andy's kind of stature in the industry, that really ruffled a lot of people's feathers.
	And then as people were coming into the Facebook group and making negative comments, he just started deleting people that were being negative.
	And that ruffled people's feathers.
	And it just got really ugly.
	So finally, but then what happened is he actually made a contact via kind of this whole Facebook group of these two gentlemen out of Indiana.
	One's called Michael Young, and he actually was the director of the SSCA time trial series in Indiana.
	And then someone that he knew very well, his name was Dallas Reed.
	He was a competitor and he was actually an early adopter and started using the tires and was very impressed with them as well.
	So they came out to an event in Las Vegas and Robert Duffree met with them and everything went really well and they loved the tires and blah blah.
	And they so after that, they sold us on the idea of when Yokohama, the AO52, which is also one of the top tier tires in this segment, came into the market.
	They were actually not, they were made illegal by SSCA2.
	And one of the things that they did was they did a contingency program in the Indianapolis SSCA time trial series, which a contingency program is if you place in certain levels on your class, you get either free tires or discounted tires.
	So he convinced us to, you know, try that as well and to help politically with the SSCA to get the tires legal at the end of 2024 for 2025.
	So we did that.
	We spent a lot of money doing that and we collaborated with Dallas and Michael Young.
	And Michael Young, he had run this SSCA Indianapolis time trial events for quite a few years.
	So he had a lot of political connections within the SSCA, who was also headquartered in Indianapolis.
	And they basically proposed to help us politically with SSCA and the whole issue with Sammy and all that stuff.
	So we kind of brought them on board.
	There were many discussions about them kind of partnering with the business.
	At the time, they didn't want to put any skin in the game, though.
	They just wanted to be have percentages of the business with basically just doing certain things.
	And anyways, we never came to an agreement that seemed like it was equitable.
	So time goes on.
	Jeff, the manufacturer from China, Dallas and Michael Young from the Indianapolis region, they invite Jeff to come out to one of their events that we have supplied contingent tires for.
	So, this was in June of 2024.
	And I went to that event also.
	And we all kind of strategized on how to work politically with the SSCA to get this tire approved and to kind of put all this stuff behind us.
	Going back to the Robbie Dupree thing, when he ruffled everybody's feathers online, we basically said, okay, Robert, you're not really an employee.
	And at this point, it seems like maybe you're hurting more than you're helping.
	So why don't you just back away and let us kind of take that over?
	So we did.
	Kind of simmered down a little bit online.
	More and more people were trying the tires and more and we were getting more and more positive reviews.
	Almost every review was positive.
	And then so that happened in June with, we actually had some, an online meeting with the SSCA brass with Michael and Dallas.
	I was at that meeting.
	I kind of stayed in the background because at this time, because I ran, I helped with that organizing that racing series, I politically within that series, I didn't, I kind of just wanted to stay a silent partner at the time.
	I just like, you know, I don't really need to be the guy that everybody knows as the VTOR guy.
	I'll just help with this.
	It was kind of a passion thing for me.
	I'm in commercial real estate.
	I don't really, you know, do anything with cars.
	I don't race them.
	And so I kind of wanted to stay in the background at this time.
	And so they had, so Michael Young and Jeff and Dallas Reed, all this video conference with some of the people at SSCA.
	And then we met and had a dinner with, and I actually did meet another kind of somebody that was high up in the SSCA.
	And basically the gist we were getting from the SSCA is that they're only going to legalize the tire if Tire Rack starts carrying the tire.
	And the reason for that is Tire Rack is the largest distributor of distribution or distributor.
	Yeah, it's correct.
	First time distributor of tires in the country.
	And they are a sponsor, they're the main sponsor of SSCA.
	So typically, if SSCA was going to make a tire legal for their competition, they want Tire Rack to be carrying that tire.
	It's kind of like they scratch their back and they scratch each other's backs.
	So that's kind of how that works politically.
	So we had actually.
	Yeah, you know, I got to say this.
	This whole world sounds like, I mean, it sounds so political.
	You mentioned political like 10 times.
	Crazy.
	I had no idea.
	It doesn't sound like, it doesn't sound like, hey, I make the best tire.
	It almost sounds like, hey, I make the best tire.
	And then you got to deal with a bunch of BS until you could actually be successful with that tire.
	Totally.
	And if SSCA and 200 treadwear ultra high performance tires, if the SSCA doesn't legalize your tire, you're going to sell a fraction of what you're going to sell if it's legal.
	It's just the way.
	It's just the way that it works.
	So they have some political, you know, political sway and almost the somebody I know referred them to as the tire refers to them as the tire mafia.
	So I'll leave that.
	It's kind of funny, but not funny at the same time.
	So anyways, one thing leads to another.
	That thing happens in June.
	Dallas Reed becomes one of our best distributors.
	So we bring Dallas Reed on board.
	He knew Phil full well that we had an exclusivity contract with Jeff.
	He actually signed an NDA with us and he started his website called VtorP1.com.
	And we allowed him to do that.
	He's a distributor.
	He'd be buying all of our tires from us.
	And so all that was going well.
	He was selling a lot of tires.
	We started selling more and more tires, but everything was going through us.
	And then Sammy knows a gentleman that owns Phil's Tire Service out of New Jersey.
	And they are probably the second biggest distributor of racing tires.
	They exclusively focus on just racing track day oriented tires.
	So we started talking with him.
	And he also knew that we had an exclusive with the manufacturer.
	And he entered a contract with us, actually, and agreed to purchasing a container of tires a month from us.
	And he ordered his first, I forget exactly when he ordered his first container.
	I think it was towards the end of 24-ish.
	I can admit, maybe mid-24, he ordered a container of tires, started selling them.
	So that was a big feather in our cap in getting them SSC illegal as well.
	But even though Tire Rack had tested the tires, we were hearing rumors that they were not happy with kind of all the political stuff that happened online with Robert Dupree and Michael Hall and I'm sorry, Andy Hollis, and just kind of all the rigor remote that kind of boiled up online and people being mad and this and that.
	It was just a bunch.
	It was just an S show.
	I know this is a podcast.
	I could probably say shit, but it was a shit show.
	It sounds like so much drama, but like a lot of drama, a lot of pageantry, but like legality-wise, I still don't understand why Sammy's having his technology robbed.
	Yeah, so, well, there's no really legality-wise is through this development process that he went through with the tire manufacturer, they signed three different exclusivity agreements that stated not only,
	it didn't just state that the exclusivity on the P1 tire, it stated exclusivity on all VTOR performance tire sold in all of the Americas, not just the United States and all of South and North America.
	We would be the exclusive distributor and anybody who wanted the tire would have to go through us and we would kind of distribute them from there and get a cut of all that.
	And never, Sammy never, because Vitor did have to invest quite a bit of money to develop this tire as well.
	They claim $5 million they invested.
	So Sammy said, okay, well, just give us the Americas.
	You can have the rest of the world was kind of based the agreement.
	And they did sign three different exclusivity contracts, which was really the linchpin of what got me involved in the business.
	Like if it's just a good tire and anybody could come along and steal it, like I wasn't interested, right?
	So that's when I kind of, the money that I invested was highly tied to that agreement.
	So anyways, going back to kind of the story in 2023, Michael Young and Dallas Reed kind of started making some inroads at the SSCA and Dallas approached us and Jeff and said, hey, I need a title to kind of work within the SSCA political structure to get this tire kind of pushed over the finish line for approval.
	So we, you know, he, again, was one of our best distributors, knew we had exclusivity deal.
	We had no reason to believe that he had any altered terrier motives at the time.
	So we're like, give yourself whatever.
	We're kind of like, kind of like what we did with Robert Dupree, give yourself whatever title you want.
	So he's like, okay, how about marketing director?
	Like, take marketing director.
	And he talked with Jeff and Jeff's like, yeah, I'll give you the marketing director title.
	And so, but as soon as, as soon as Dallas got that title, we started noticing kind of in September-ish of 2024, we started noticing Jeff acting kind of hostile towards us and started saying things in the effect that,
	you know, our team has really put a black eye on the tire in the industry.
	And I talked to Dallas, I'm like, Dallas, you got to thwart some of this stuff.
	He's like, well, I'm not going to lie to Jeff and I'm going to tell him the truth.
	And I'm like, yeah, but like, all this stuff is just like you said, drama and politics.
	Like, you know, and I could kind of see like Dallas starting politically make moves with Jeff.
	And then what happened in October is we went to a place, Jeff started putting a lot of pressure on us to order more tires.
	And at the time, we still had, we hadn't sold out of our tires.
	So we had met all the demand, the current demand that was that we were experiencing.
	But Phil's tire service was starting to order containers from us.
	And Dallas had ordered a half a container to that point.
	He was going to order a full container in October.
	So we placed a three container order with Jeff in October.
	One was for the Spec Corvette series, the contract that I landed to be the Spec tire.
	That was our container.
	One was for Dallas and one was for Phil, which we had a contract with and negotiated pricing.
	Well, then I hear Dallas was contacting Phil and talking to, because Dallas had behind our back started talking to Jeff and Jeff shared with him our pricing.
	So he knew what our pricing was and what we were marketing up to his pricing.
	So he knew that.
	And now he's talking to our other distributor and he's starting to share pricing information with him.
	And I called him up.
	I'm like, dude, you can't be calling our distributors and sharing pricing information with them.
	I'm like, that's just ridiculous.
	Like, we brought you on board to help with this, but at this point, you're not helping.
	You're hurting us.
	And he kind of started getting belligerent and one thing led to another.
	So then I believe it was at, I think Sammy was at SEMA last year and he posted like a special discount on the tires.
	And Dallas went into our Facebook group.
	It was our Facebook group.
	It was actually Robert Dupree's Facebook group that he was allowing us to use.
	And Dallas posted something that actually deleted our posting about having this discount and started talking about minimum pricing.
	What do they call it?
	I forget, I can't think of the term right now because I've got all this other stuff running through my head.
	But basically manufacturers, minimum pricing, MMP.
	So he's like, you can't do that.
	And he started dictating to us what we could do with the business, deleted one of our posts.
	And Robert saw that.
	And he's, even though he's not involved with us anymore, he's still passionate about motorsports.
	He's passionate about helping us.
	He's like, he knew that he brought Dallas into the fold with us.
	So he's like, BS.
	So he actually booted Dallas out of the group.
	And he knew Jeff.
	He knew kind of what was going on with Jeff and how Jeff was kind of starting to get hostile towards us.
	So he booted Jeff out of the group as well.
	Well, then that kind of set off just a firestorm with Jeff in China.
	And it's like, you can kick us out of the group.
	And we're like, hey, we didn't kick you out of the group.
	Like Robert kicked you out of the group.
	It's his group.
	It's not our group.
	He allows us to use it, but it's his personal group.
	Anybody can start a Facebook group, right?
	It doesn't have to be official manufacturer.
	We could have opened our own Facebook group, but because Robert did it, it was the biggest group on the internet for the tire.
	It had over 2,000 members.
	We're just like, yeah, we could open our own group, but Robert's let us use this.
	But he still had ultimate control of who could be the administrators and who could delete stuff and who can, you know, delete comments and all that stuff.
	He still had ultimate control of that, even though I, and we allowed Dallas to do that as well.
	So that started this whole thing.
	And at that point, I'm just like, this is going south really quickly.
	Jeff started getting all irate.
	He's like, if you don't reinstate Dallas and me into the group, you guys are going to, you're going to find that we're not going to sell to you anymore.
	And he started giving us these ridiculous order quantities like ordering them, giving them a million dollars of deposit so that we can maintain our exclusivity with him, which is ridiculous.
	No American company or individual is going to send a million dollars to a Chinese company for future orders of something.
	It was just becoming increasingly obvious to me that Dallas had meddled politically with Jeff, and we should have never allowed those two to communicate with our supplier and our number one distributor.
	By the way, I got to mention something here.
	You know, this blood money episode we did, the whistleblower expose about how it is dealing with Chinese manufacturers and all the shenanigans that they do is almost essential viewing for this topic because everything you're saying, we've already dealt with that.
	And the issue is that the U.S. government doesn't and our courts doesn't provide refuge for Americans because they can't fight it over here.
	They make it really hard.
	They can't fight it over there.
	Yes, you have a better chance over here.
	And I think this is where this is going that you guys need to find a great lawyer.
	I'm hoping this gets out to great lawyers because this is a great case.
	I mean, we're talking about millions that are being left on the table, that intellectual property that's been stolen, a bunch of rumors and conjecture that have nothing to do with your ownership of the intellectual property.
	So yeah, I hope you guys find some good lawyers to take.
	We're working on it.
	We're working on it.
	We haven't got very, actually, a lawsuit has been filed.
	No one's been served yet, but they should be served here shortly because they're not responding.
	And when we filed the lawsuit, we filed the lawsuit against everyone that's involved that is selling the tire in the state.
	So Dallas Reed, Tyra Rack, Phil's tire, and those are the three main one, I believe, that the lawsuit's going after.
	So even Tyrak knew that we had the exclusive distribution rights as well, because we had given, Sammy had sent them test tires and they tested them.
	They knew how good they were because we had heard through the grapevine that they liked the tires, but they were just kind of waiting to see how all this political stuff kind of fleshed out before they started carrying the tire.
	Actually, and I have to be really careful, I think, what I say here because it's hearsay that we never got direct confirmation from either Tyrack or SSCA.
	But what we heard was that they weren't going to, Jeff actually told us this, Dallas told us this, Michael Young told us this, that both the SSCA and Tyrac were not going to SSCA was not going to legalize the tire and Tyra Rack was not going to carry the tire unless America's Vitor tire, which was Sammy and my company, didn't exist anymore, that got, was out of business and wasn't distributing the tire anymore.
	So and so what ended up happening there, we told Jeff early on, like in June, when we were talking about all this stuff when he came out to Indiana, I'm like, look, a company like Tire Rack, they're not going to probably want to deal with a third-party distributor because they want to think that they're getting the best pricing that's available to them.
	So if we end up doing a tire and securing a Tire Rack through these contacts that we've made and these people we put in place, Dallas and Michael, to help us in that process, if it actually comes about that SSCA legalizes the tire and Tyra Act starts carrying the tire, they're probably going to want to deal directly with you, the manufacturer.
	And he's like, yeah, that's no problem.
	We'll do it that way.
	And we'll just pay you on the back end for all the tires that they order.
	And I'm like, yeah, that's what we got to do to get that deal.
	Because the fact of the matter is Tyrak has the tire.
	Everybody's going to sell more tires.
	They're just have such a big name in the industry.
	They always test tires and put great tests on their website.
	So that was kind of an understanding that Jeff had and we had.
	And Jeff at the time said, you know, you and Sammy and Dallas and Michael should develop like a corporation in the United States with the four of you.
	And I said, yeah, that's a possibility.
	And we continued those talks with Dallas and Michael.
	But again, they didn't want to put any skin in the game to get tires here.
	They just wanted half of the company for potentially what they could bring to the table.
	And we're like, no, you know, we've got a ton of money invested in this.
	And one of the biggest issues with this, you know, with this type of business is cash flow.
	You've got a lot of inventory you got to carry and the cash flow becomes an issue.
	So that kind of just goes by the wayside.
	Then all this crazy stuff starts happening with Jeff and Dallas.
	That three container order we placed in October, they basically mid-October came back and said, we're only sending you the spec Corvette tires.
	Well, the deposit that we had given was for the three containers exceeded the spec Corvette tires by $60,000 plus.
	So they never gave us any kind of indication of how they were going to address that deposit.
	And we're like, you need to send us the containers that we ordered at the price that we ordered them at.
	And they're like, no, we're not going to do that.
	And then it started getting uglier.
	And they're like, well, we're going to post this letter online that you guys are no longer as authorized distributors.
	And we're like, well, I wouldn't suggest that you do that because you've sold us a ton of tires and we have a ton of inventory.
	And the only reason that it's even a possibility that SSCA is going to legalize the tire is because of our efforts, what we've done, bringing Dallas on board, getting the tire in the tire guide, placing the orders of multiple containers, hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of containers to get the inventory in the country, to make it even possible to be SSCA legal.
	All those things we did.
	And they still threatened us with that.
	And then they went ahead and did it and posted online that we are no longer a authorized distributor, which really hurt our sales.
	Our sales were ramping up.
	And then that hurt us.
	And then Mike, so we think what happened was Dallas worked politically with Jeff, the manufacturer, and defamed us, got him on his side, thinking that he's like the savior of the tire.
	And he was doing a lot of marketing stuff for us on kind of our bequest and us bringing him into the fold.
	That's the reason we brought him in is to do those things.
	And him being our distributor, we encouraged him to do those things.
	But then he started turning it around to Jeff that he was the reason all that stuff happening.
	And we're the reason that Vitor has any type of bad cloud surrounding it.
	And they posted this thing online and it just got really ugly.
	Then Jeff didn't fulfill those three container orders.
	What he did was he, so even though Dallas had actually given us a deposit on his container, Phil tires, because Dallas was talking with Phil, stopped returning our calls and was dealing directly with Dallas and Jeff on the container that we were ordering for him, his next container.
	And it just started all going south.
	It's just like, I'm not sending you those containers.
	I'm sending them directly to Dallas and I'm sending it directly to Phil and I'm dealing directly with them and basically cutting you guys out.
	That alone cost us probably over $100,000 at least.
	And then we also had a series, another series, Autocross series called the Racing Bird series.
	He's kind of a big Autocross promoter in Southern California.
	He used to run all of his events at AutoClub Speed Bay.
	When that closed down, Sammy actually worked with him to start the series back up this year in Las Vegas.
	And we went to Jeff and said, hey, this is going to help us with getting the tire legalized with SSCA because he has got a lot of contacts in the industry as well.
	And, you know, what we need is like $20,000 an event for four or five events.
	And we need you to commit to that.
	And he's like, yeah, no problem.
	We'll do that.
	We'll just take it off containers that you order.
	So we came out of our pockets 40 grand to sponsor the first two events.
	And we're not getting, now he's not selling us the containers.
	We were figuring we're going to get 20 grand for each one of those three containers that we were ordering to get our investment back on that.
	He took that, pulled the rug out from underneath us on that and just decided not to deal with this.
	Now, in the meantime, they're trying to negotiate a deal with us and is that they would give us a very small royalty per tire.
	And when we did the calculations based on kind of historical royalty deals, it was about half of what normal real growth people get in a royalty deal.
	So we're like, you know, we're not opposed to that, but we, because of what happened, we're like, we need a minimum amount that you'll pay us on royalties, no matter how many tires you sell.
	And then we need the amount per tire that you're giving us to increase substantially to bring it more in line with, you know, typical deals of this nature.
	They would never do it.
	And Samuel, looking back on it, I think was right.
	He's like, well, we're never going to see, like, we make that agreement.
	We're never going to see a dollar of that money.
	And I think he's probably right on that.
	So we never came to an agreement with them.
	We actually hired legal counsel to give us some advice at that time.
	And he said, look, if you guys had placed an order, legitimate order with them, he looked at all of our three consecutive exclusivity contracts.
	He's like, and you place an order with them, gave, sent money over there, and they're holding your money and not fulfilling your deposits.
	He's like, that's, he goes, that's pretty much a slam dunk with any court.
	It will be able to get an injunction against them to stop any tires, any VTOR tires from coming in the country.
	And we told them that and they kind of said, well, you basically said pound sand, go ahead and try it.
	And so anyways, move forward.
	The blood money episode that people should check out is a companion piece.
	So all of this makes sense because it was actually a lawyer that was explaining some of these conundrums you're talking about, you know, and how this has gone down.
	Episode 217.
	Highly recommend that people that are watching this episode also watch episode 217 because this is something that has to be fixed.
	I mean, we can't do business like this.
	We can't do business where, you know, you come up with an idea and they steal it from you and they use all these like Chinese factory versus American business people kind of dichotomies to steal intellectual property.
	And you know what?
	There's a history of this happening in China, by the way.
	It's not like this is so unique.
	You know, I was, I remember a while back, you know, I was working with some musicians that made this pedal and lo and behold, this guy goes to China, finds out that the pedal that they made, the same factory selling to, as like a third-party brand, to another distributor, the exact same thing.
	And not only were they doing it, they were proud that they're doing it.
	They presented to the guy and you realize, look, there's cultural differences here because you do that in this country, you get sued because you're stealing intellectual property.
	Over there, it's almost like a badge of honor that, hey, I was able to kind of reverse engineer this thing and look at, and they don't think, hey, you're being robbed of millions, you know?
	Well, what they do also, and to kind of back up on the point you just made i was aware of that type of thing happening with chinese businesses and so i was i was skeptical of getting involved with with the chinese business but uh because of the relationship the seven-year relationship that sammy had had with um with jeff developing these tires and the the consecutive um uh exclusivity contracts that he had
	i said well maybe this this guy's different maybe this you know there's there's something to kind of uh there's some meat on the bone that we have here that he's not going to pull type of crap to end up pulling but you know in all fairness if if our distributor dallas reed hadn't done
	what he did with jeff and basically me line politically malign us with jeff and make promises to jeff on what he could do for jeff jeff then saw dallas as a as as a way to exclude us and and utilize dallas as his new like go-to person in america and that's exactly what happened dallas is now um works is is actually an employee of vtor tires and
	the distributor vtor tires and he's working hand in hand with jeff he's he signed a lease for a vtor employee in indian in indianapolis he has signed a lease via for vtor for a storage facility in indianapolis um the whole time we were telling jeff when we met with him in in uh in june of of 24 that you know really the business model needs you guys need to have a
	warehouse here that you're inventorying tires that we can you know sell to all these smaller shops and so so we're not having to inventory the tires and you guys need to kind of be the inventory that's how all these other companies do it and uh he he kind of one time said he would do that but then he came back and said he wasn't going to do that and it's just it's just such craziness um but now looking back on it on hindsight
	dallas rose really the fly is the fly in the ointment and he's really politically i believe
	from day one because when we first started talking with dallas and they wanted to become a part of the business without putting anything into the company he revealed to us that he had tried doing this same thing with another manufacturer out of china then it just never materialized and he was like i'm amazed that you guys got this done and they you know got this exclusivity contract when we showed the exclusivity the three uh three consecutive exclusivity contracts to the lawyer he's
	like you never see this from a chinese company i don't know how you got them to sign these but you know like he said they don't seem to care because they know that like recourse is very difficult against they'll do whatever they'll sign whatever they want to sign or tell you whatever they think you want to hear and then you go out and spend a bunch of money to build a build the product and then they turn then they screw you this is why i think this is so important to talk about because they'll screw you over there there
	is grounds here where you could win it's just like they get treated so much better here than we would get treated over there right so they have refuge in that you can't ever assume china unless you want to go through a 10-year protracted uh literally ccp run uh you know marathon of a court process and spend a ungodly amounts of money now you could do that here because they're selling over here you could go after their money here you could basically put uh
	all kinds of restraints on them uh even go into their bank accounts if it's proven that they don't own their intellectual property so uh you guys got to find a great lawyer that has some balls which you know as somebody that's gone through similar uh aspects of corruption which was international news just eight months ago uh as it's it's not easy it's not easy to find lawyers i'd be like you know what like i'm gonna put in what would be billable hours probably you know quarter of a million dollars to go fight this
	well-funded bad guy you know so i hope uh you guys find somebody that will find us so we did find a a lawyer that has a lot of contacts um in the and has done a lot of work in china and asia and he's he's pretty good in fact in in their discovery before we filed this lawsuit um his uh his it expert then in his office was doing research on uh
	on jeff um v tour dallas reed you know phil's tire everybody that's a defendant in the
	in a lawsuit just to see like what they have out there right so they came across this website um that's called uh vitor p1 dash what is it vtorp1-dallasreedcorp.com and when they came across it they we got an email or a text from the lawyer and he's like you're not going to believe what we found and he's like this is something that lawyers only come across that and
	maybe once in their whole career.
	So I'm like, what the heck is this?
	So he's like, we need to have a meeting tomorrow.
	So we had this long two-hour meeting with him, with all the attorneys, and they shared with us what this website had said.
	And they didn't know who built the website because whoever registered the website registered it under secrecy.
	Like you can't find out who actually built the website.
	But the IT expert that found it, they're like, this looks like Dallas built this website as kind of a way to ease his conscience and use it as almost like a journal of what he did.
	And I looked at it and I'm like, yeah, I have a hard time thinking like Dallas could have built this.
	Maybe somebody else that knew kind of this story built it and had something against Dallas and built it.
	I'm like, I don't know.
	And the livery's like, well, we're, we've been all our due diligence to find out if it's who who owned it and i actually called up some people like robu dupree dupree and rob bird of the the racing birds company because when this whole thing went down we had to we had to cancel the contract with him uh And I went down a list and contacted a bunch of people and say, hey, did you guys build this website?
	And they're like, no, we had nothing to do with it.
	And the lawyer's like, well, we just, we're going to at this point assume that Dallas built this and he didn't know that he built it or he didn't know it was live.
	I guess I'm not a huge IT guy.
	I guess when you're building a website, you can kind of build a lot of things and not make it live.
	But if you click a certain button or you don't know that that button's been clicked, it's live and you don't know it's live.
	That was their theory.
	I mean, the website's crazy.
	People can go to it and read it.
	It's basically a confessional of what actually happened.
	So if Dallas didn't write it as a journal, it could read as a journal because just about everything in it is actually very close to what happened.
	Well, okay, yeah.
	Send that, send that to us and we'll include it in the descriptions below.
	Man, this was actually really great information.
	You know, these are issues that we need to figure out in this country, you know, and these are, you know, the way we look at things is these, our issues are microcosms of the bigger issue, right?
	A ton of business people are getting ripped off because there's no what's called reciprocity between the United States and China, right?
	That has to be fixed.
	And I hope you guys find the right kind of representation.
	Is there anything that we haven't talked about that's worth mentioning before we wrap up this episode?
	No, I mean, we have a few lawyer.
	We have this lawyer that we've we've retained that's doing this, but you know, we're paying him and legal fees keep racking up.
	And we do have one lawyer that's talked about doing it on contingency.
	So I don't know if there's any lawyers that would want to talk, take this over on contingency to kind of help us on the legal cost.
	But we plan on we plan on taking this it.
	Regardless, so like the contingency, that's why I keep mentioning the lawyers.
	So the contingency is not an issue.
	Like you guys are going to pursue this regardless?
	Yeah, we're going to pursue it.
	We're going to, I mean, you know, Sammy's got his life invested in this.
	So he's not letting it go.
	I've got a lot of money invested in it.
	So I mean, it sucks.
	It sucks.
	I'm going through the same thing, you know, suing Riverside County, the Sheriff's Department.
	They got all the money in the world from the taxpayers.
	This stuff is not easy, but you have to, you have to, because otherwise it's just, you know, the word gets sent out that, hey, it's okay to, you know, trample all over people's rights, their money.
	And that's just not like, I mean, that's the furthest thing from America first.
	You know what I mean?
	That's like, if we're going to build this country, we can't allow people to rip off our technology and enrich themselves.
	So, yeah.
	Yeah, it's really disconcerting.
	What's somewhat as disconcerting as Jeff doing this is there's American that played us to pull this off as well.
	Somebody that we befriended, that we brought under our umbrella, that was our best distributor, that was somebody we were treating well.
	And he turned on us and manipulated the situation for his own self-interest.
	And I think looking back on it, looking back on this website and who knows who the heck built it, whether it's Dallas or somebody else that knows Dallas and knows the situation that I don't know.
	It's like, I think he conspired from the very beginning to do this.
	And he did it in a very calculated, very manipulative way.
	I mean, he befriended me.
	He let me drive his car when I went out to the Indy for that time trial event, which was kind of funny.
	I drove his car at the track for the first time.
	I'd ever driven a Corvette C8, and it was his car.
	And on very used-seted P1s, I went out and set the track record at a track I'd never been at, at a car I'd never been in.
	And so that was kind of funny.
	But, you know, we joked around about that.
	I think he's gone out now and maybe set a little bit faster time that I'd put down.
	But, you know, we teased each other about that.
	I actually invited him in October of last year.
	He flew out here to California and drove one of my Miata's an endurance race out at a Chuck Wall raceway out between Indio and Blythe off the 10 Freeway.
	Organization called Lucky Dog Racing that hosts endurance races.
	He came out and drove one of my cars and we hung out for the weekend.
	And it was right before all this stuff happened.
	You know what's funny?
	It's like we've done a lot of politics.
	I mean, people that know their America Happens Network and the Blood Money podcast know that we're very, very involved in politics and political corruption.
	This sounds like literally identical to some of the stuff we've heard.
	I mean, it's like just another slice of political corruption from the sound of it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And now, you know, I don't know how it's all going to pan out, but, you know, Vitor, if they don't, if they don't at least, I mean, we're not being extremely greedy.
	We're kind of just saying, hey, retract that letter that you posted online.
	Continue to sell tires to us at the best price that you're selling to anybody else's tire, Tire Rack or Dallas or whatever.
	Give us a small royalty on all tires that aren't going through us.
	And let's go and sell a bunch of tires.
	I mean, we've built now a network of followers to America's VTour tire, to our company.
	I mean, Spec Corvette buys their tires exclusively through us.
	We have a network of influencers in the Morissoats community that are using our tires and putting our stickers on their cars and posting about their success with the tires.
	I've got a friend, Jesse Owegi.
	I don't know, I always mispronounce his last name.
	He owns a NASCAR team with Emmett Smith, the big running back out of Dallas.
	They own this team together, and he used to drive, but now they have drivers.
	I think he still drives occasionally.
	I've known him from years just from the Southern California motorsports scene.
	Really good guy.
	He's a Navy guy and played football for the Navy.
	And it's just a really big go-getter.
	He's really built quite a little following for himself.
	And he drives also cars on track.
	And he has kind of a little YouTube tape channel.
	So he's promoting tires for us.
	So we've got a good following and we could sell a decent amount of tires.
	Listen, I'm not trying to retire off this.
	I've got plenty of assets and I'm going to be fine.
	But, you know, just the fact that so much, I invested so much time, energy, and money into this as a passion because I love the sport and I love the tires and this bullshit happened.
	It's just like, it's very discouraging.
	It's very, I mean, I always like to try to see the best in people, but this kind of stuff just makes you not want to trust your next door neighbor.
	It's just nuts.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I totally understand, man.
	Totally understand.
	Well, thank you so much for joining us on this podcast.
	You know, we're going to have updates on this because, you know, the law, legal stuff drags out, you know, I know, you know, just like I'm updating my story all the time.
	People need to know what's going on.
	This definitely affects the American people.
	We need to really get our law, you know, really straightened out.
	Yeah, I think to be able to straighten it out, it almost needs to be an agreement between our governments, you know, that this kind of stuff can't happen, that Chinese companies are held liable for doing this type of stuff.
	I mean, you just can't sign exclusivity agreements, having a relationship with somebody over seven years to develop something that was actually brought to you by the person that helped you develop it.
	And then that was actually not just helped, instrumental in developing it.
	And then when you see a situation that you think suits you better, just like say, nah, you're done.
	It's just like, no, no, no, no, no.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's not the way business goes down, you know?
	That's like, that's a really Chinese kind of like, and it's a cultural difference.
	That's the issue.
	It's like, how do you change the entire culture of counterfeiting stuff?
	This has been going on for like 34 years.
	You know what I mean?
	But I think there's unscrupulous people in this right here.
	I got a sponsor send this to us.
	They're literal identical Apple earpods that they wanted us to market.
	Identical.
	Identical.
	Same case and everything.
	Almost like 30 bucks.
	Yeah, basically.
	Basically, yeah.
	Yeah.
	And they're like, hey, look, we made it just like it.
	And it's, you know, it's 55 bucks for the same headphones that Apple sells for like $199.
	It's like one fourth the price, but identical, identical.
	Well, unfortunately, you know, anytime there's money involved, people see dollar signs, they get greedy.
	And this type of stuff even happens with America's American.
	I mean, there's an American that's instrumental in this happening.
	I would even say if Dallas Reed wasn't involved in doing all this and hadn't pulled the BS that he pulled, it never would have happened.
	So, you know, it's just, it's illegal and it's immoral.
	And I don't know how people sleep at night pulling this shit off, how they justify this type of behavior.
	It's just so disheartening, but they do.
	They somehow do.
	I couldn't sleep myself if I did this type of thing to somebody.
	Yeah, totally.
	Thank you so much, Dennis.
	I really appreciate your time, man.
	We look forward to updates in the future.
	Go out there and win this one.
	You know what I mean?
	There's going to be a lot of American businessmen that are going to thank you guys for the precedence you're going to set here.
	Yeah, and if anybody, if you know any other podcasters or any other influencers that may see this that want to help get this story out, I think that's the more the more outlets that we have that will kind of publicize what is going on with this, you may turn attitudes around and may change things.
	All righty.
	All right.
	Thank you so much, guys.
	I will see you all on the next episode of Blood Many.
	Make sure you check out AmericaHappens.com.
	We just relaunched our new site, and I will see y'all on the next episode.
	Take care.

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