Cliven Bundy and Ivan Raiklin - A conversation - Blood Money Episode 244
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Music Yeah, well it's been 10 years since it happened in last April
We spent two years in jail, and then they finally got us in court after two years.
And the government put four witnesses up, and we sort of had them whipped, I guess.
We never even put a witness up.
And they decided they better get out of the deal.
They did so much rotten stuff.
But more or less just misconduct for the government attorneys.
You got all the names of these guys?
Oh yeah, they're all listed.
Do I need to add them to my list?
Well, I don't know what you'd do with them, but you probably could.
I would conduct the most peaceful and patriotic, legal and moral and ethical actions that they've ever experienced in their life.
That's what I would like to do.
Well, you know, there's a couple of things.
We really don't have much of a justice system left in this country.
I never said we did.
So when you start trying to play their game and their courts, you know, it's pretty tough.
Yeah, I never said that we'd play it in court.
I said that I want to provide them the most legal, moral, ethical, peaceful and patriotic experience ever that they've faced in their entire life.
Maybe that humanity has ever witnessed.
Well, that sounds good to you.
You know, I sort of fed them a little of that myself.
I know, you're quite the legend.
Yes, old Bach. Depending on who you ask, 84, 85, 8600 military service members were just thrown out for refusing to be experimented on with an unsafe and ineffective, what I call DNA mutilation injection, whether it was the Pfizer fail or the Moderna mutilation, but in the case of the J&J shot, just the myocarditis making heart exploder.
So, those were people that were thrown out.
In addition to that, 60,000 in the collective left early.
So, retired early or just basically said, no, I'm not going to.
They weren't kicked out necessarily, but they're like, you know, I'm not going to participate in this total destruction of our constitutional order through this illegal mandate.
That was initially. I would say that at this point, the number is probably closer to 80,000.
Based on interactions, studies, etc.
I could be short.
We'll just call it 60,000 to 80,000.
Imagine you have 80,000 of us that either were kicked out or left early because our failureship in the Department of Defense did such an egregious order that was unacceptable to us.
We're willing to drop what we're doing to not participate in that unlawful activity and behavior.
Well, now that America's learning, not only was it unlawful, immoral, unethical, illegal, right?
It was not safe, it wasn't effective, and it actually had a negative physical impact that ended up killing lots of people.
There must be consequences.
There have to be consequences.
And so I would say the 80,000 of us, and now by extension, a million that are now learning that they were forced into something that they didn't want to begin with, there's a motivating hundreds of thousands of individuals that want to participate in retribution.
Some people call it accountability.
Some people call it creating consequences for bad illegal behavior.
I use the term retribution.
If you actually look it up, it's not revenge.
Retribution is maximal justice.
Appropriate lawful justice.
The problem is that the institutions that facilitated this framework are from previous and current Individuals from our federal government that allowed for the censorship regime to provide cover for themselves,
etc. And so I'm trying to come up with lawful mechanisms and ways to motivate the local, county, state law enforcement entities to take bold, decisive action similar as the precedent that they set.
What the District Attorney in New York is doing.
What the District Attorney in Fulton County, Georgia is doing.
Using that same precedent to do what they did to Roger Stone.
What they did to you.
What they did to, I don't know, Peter Navarro when they kidnapped him in an airport.
Or the live stream swatting raid burglary armed robbery that they did on Roger Stone.
As well as Peter Navarro, like I said, Steve Bannon, Mike Lindell, armed robbery.
Members of Congress, they've done this too.
Scott Perry, former chair of the House Freedom Caucus.
Mike Lindell, armed robbery, he was a victim of at the hands of these scum in a Hardee's parking lot.
I would like to coordinate those 80,000 or so individuals plus or minus a million to channel those skills training passion in a positive way to kind of auto correct the lawlessness and to create consequences for those that created that lawlessness Deputized by sheriffs appropriately,
once the evidence is out there to showcase the treason and unlawful activity.
But it's so broad and so many, you know, it's hard to zero in on anybody.
It seems like it's a total bureaucracy.
And when I say total, I almost mean 100% of those that are employed by the federal government under one of their agencies.
Well, that's where people like me come into play that know the system very well and in detail.
To create priorities.
You start with the top, and you work your way through the system.
But when you talk about top, you talk about, you know, or FBI, and CIA, and Homeland Security.
It's pronounced F-E-L-I. Yeah.
C-L-I-A. Yeah, and the thing of it is, is, you know, They really do have control.
I don't think Congress, I don't even think the President of the United States has much control.
I don't think Congress has any much control.
I don't think Congress has enough sense to even realize what's going on.
You're right. I'm up there almost every day trying to guide these.
They allow it to go on.
Low IQ individuals that are barely smarter than the bartender from the Bronx.
Yeah. Well, it'd be better off if it was that type of person, I think.
But anyway, you know, when I try to analyze things, what it comes down to, the conclusion I come up with always is we need to have local county sheriffs understand the Constitution.
I agree with you.
And really, when you get...
That is where we, the people, are.
And that's where we, the people, get a republic form of constitution.
Once you get much past that county government, it's so corrupt all the way to the top that I don't know.
I don't know how you can start at the top.
We leverage the local level capabilities so that...
Imagine... Somebody goes around in this county, right?
I don't know. Some official from the federal government, and they conduct a transgression.
They're just a citizen like anybody else.
But it would be nice to go ahead and get them for that transgression.
And it takes them off of the streets so that they don't conduct those bigger crimes.
The bigger, broader, treasonous activity.
That impacts the entire society.
That's where DA's and county sheriffs come into play.
And if the current ones that aren't ready, willing, and able to do that, then we have to remove them through the electoral process and place people with courage to go ahead and So, you know, I'm bringing this back to a statement that I made.
During the standoff, which has been, you know, about over 10 years ago, most, you know, it's called a standoff because most people think that it was some cowboys against the federal government.
But then that wasn't really what was happening.
It was some cowboys pretending Petitioning the county sheriff.
The county sheriff was supposed to be protecting our life, liberty, and property.
He wasn't doing that, and we were saying, you better do that.
Because the federal government was coming at us just like they did Waco or whatever.
But he didn't do that.
The other person was protesting against was our state government, and basically our livestock brand inspection people.
We pay them a fee every year, plus we pay them every time we inspect an animal.
And the only reason they're there is to protect animals from being stolen.
And so here we have the BLM stealing my cattle, and I'm saying, County Sheriff, it's your job to protect me.
Bureau of Land Management. Bureau of Land Management.
Not Biden Laptops Matter.
No, but sort of about the same thing.
So we're saying, County Sheriff, protect us.
And by them, by law, and by everything, the state of Nevada should have protected my cattle.
And what we find out is we have a fusion, what a fusion is.
Maybe I'm saying a little wrong, fusion, where you have the federal government and all the other bureaucracies, and then you have the county sheriff and the state police and highway patrol, and you have the local sheriffs.
And they're all combined in effort and fusion centers.
And you don't talk about something that should be 100% against the Constitution as a fusion center.
I mean, that's as far away from our Constitution as you can get, where you've got all of these forces coming at we the people.
That is not constitutional.
At all. I mean, hell, that's worse than we were when England was ruling.
Now we have all of those fusions going here right in Clark County, Nevada.
And so... You have Fusion Center, that the state normally is the one that's behind it, and then you have the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force, and they label anybody that is a political opponent a terrorist.
And then they supposedly got Congress to pass rules and regulations that you get a terrorist.
I mean, they can do anything with a terrorist.
And here's another thing.
The only protection we have against that is, was the Malaysia.
And the Malaysia, they tried to organize and they've tried to organize this country.
But I'll guarantee you that every government fights against, right from the city government right up to the feds, they don't want to be the people to exercise our Second Amendment rights there.
To its maximum authority.
Definitely when it comes to Malaysia.
And they've spent 10 years trying to ruin Malaysia.
That's some of the people you're dealing with there.
That's what they're doing.
That's why they got them guys in jail.
Because it competes with their lawless activity.
Yeah. It puts a check on it.
Puts a check on it. And that's about the only check I know that really works.
And it really did work on the Bundy case.
We probably didn't have a half a dozen militia, but when we had a half a dozen militia with guns, that whole army that come after me, and there was like 230 armed, I don't know, what do you want to call them?
Federal domestic terrorists?
Terrorists, yeah. And it only took about five or six militia to back them people off, along with we the people.
If they wouldn't have been here, they'd have just killed a whole bunch of us.
Because that's what they intended to do.
So, it boils down to somebody who was angry that it was a political opponent.
Who made the call? Well, you never know who made the call.
It's like when you're in jail or going through the court system.
Who's making the call?
I don't know who's making the call.
Ten years ago, 2014.
All the way through this, you still don't know.
You had Barry Hussein, who was the president.
Who makes the call, yeah.
Then you had the failed vice president.
Joe Biden was in.
What about the state level?
Well, you've got Harry Reid.
You've got to give him a little credit.
Senate Majority Leader? Yep.
And he was a local Nevada, and he could have been calling a lot of it.
But why? You don't know.
Why would they go to...
Let me tell you, make a statement here, so you can chew on this one.
Mm-hmm. So when we got out of court, when we got out of jail, when we got out of court, and I don't know for the exact number, but the number that was floating, they spent $300 million trying to convict us.
Wow. $300 million.
So they had an unlimited budget.
Yeah, and this is, yeah, and it's quite interesting.
So you say, well, who paid the $300 million?
Well, I guess we, the people, paid the $300 million.
The thing that's interesting to me is who got the $300 million.
The bureaucracies got all of that $300 million.
Every bit of it. So in other words, all I did was just make them a whole bunch of money.
You know, when you start putting $300 million out there, somebody got a lot of money.
They got money for stripping away people's rights.
Right. Yeah.
And they was after my head, but they never got my head on, you know, I'm a cowboy running cattle on, let me make this statement.
So this is my defense.
I graze my cattle only on Clark County, Nevada land, and I have no contract with the federal government.
And they hate me for that.
In other words, they want to claim that land.
And they want me to have a contract with them.
A contract with them is like a grazing license or pay them grazing fees.
On land that I'm hearing was never lawfully obtained because it's still Nevada land.
Yeah, it never was lawfully.
Well, it was disposed of.
In the Constitution, if you ask Cliven Bundy what the most important word in the Constitution is, what do you think I'd say?
I do like your name. Cliven?
Cliven. Ivan.
Cliven Ivan. Let me tell you where I got that name from.
I'm not exactly sure where I got the N on there to Cliven, but to Clive, I had an uncle.
My oldest uncle on my dad's side was named Ivan.
Oh, wow. And Ivan had drowned in the Colorado River when he was about 19, 20 years old.
And so somehow I got part of that Cliven from Ivan, I guess.
Don't drown on me. No, don't drown on me.
I've been staying afloat for a long time.
Yeah, you've been staying afloat.
So I interrupted before we got into that Cliven Ivan.
Okay, now where was I? You got to bring me back here once in a while.
Well, I don't know where you were going.
We're talking about the federal versus state land.
Oh, okay, yeah. So I'm telling you that I give speeches once in a while, and I'll tell you what I say.
I ask the people, I say, what's the most important word in the Constitution?
Of course, they come up with all kinds of things.
But let me tell you something.
In Article 4, Okay, so let's talk about other property for a minute.
Other property is property like 1, 8, and 17 property.
That's where the federal government come to a state and bought a piece of land from the state.
And they have to use that basically for military uses or a courthouse or a post office.
Okay, so the reason I'm laying this out to you is, so what did I say?
The other property that's owned in that Article 4 is they have to come to a state And they have to buy it from the state with the approval of the state legislators and Congress.
So they have to pay money for that property.
And so the question here that's quite interesting, why would the federal government own all this land?
They claim they own like 87% of Nevada.
So if they own all this land, why do they have to buy it from the state of Nevada?
And if the state of Nevada didn't own it, how could they sell it?
I mean, a two-year-old could almost figure this out, and this is spelled right out in their constitution, just plain as day.
So in other words, the federal government don't own no land, and so if they want some land in Nevada, they're going to have to buy it, and so that means Nevada has to own it or they can sell it.
Okay, now let's get back to the most important word.
The most important word in the Constitution, and I want to back up a little bit here.
Remember where we get a Constitution?
From the Pilgrim's Days until the Constitution Day, there's like almost 250 years went by.
We didn't have no Constitution.
We have the Declaration of Independence first, 1776.
Yeah. You have the Articles of Confederation in 1781, 13 Articles that created a zero federal government.
Okay, that's right. Only the states.
And then 1789, September 17th, if I'm not mistaken, three quarters of the state legislature has ratified that constitution upon which we're Operating today, those seven articles.
Okay. And then two years later, the Bill of Rights.
That's right. So I hear.
Okay, but let me go back.
You know, Columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1492, wasn't it?
Yeah, that's what they tell us.
Yeah, so from, let's say, 1500 to 1700, that's 200 years.
It is. And then we get to 76, that's 276 years.
Yeah, plus eight. Yeah, plus another eight.
284. Okay. Now, see, we, the people of them days, came here for freedom and liberty and all of those kinds of things.
They still didn't have it.
And so they were loyal to the England.
And England was a tyrant, I guess you want to call it.
But I'm trying to tell you why it's so important, this word.
In our Constitution, the word disposed of is very, very important.
Because remember what happens?
Congress has power over these territories, like this area here that used to belong to Mexico.
It may have become a territory of Nevada, and the territory of Arizona, and the territory of Utah.
And the Congress had power to dispose of.
That territory land.
Until they became states.
They did dispose of it.
They couldn't become a state.
So Congress did dispose of the land and made a state.
That's what happened to all of the territory.
Now, when you get into this territory here, the Nevada Territory was disposed of in 1864.
Mm-hmm. But it only took in part of the area that Nevada border is now.
That's where Little gets involved here.
This area where we are right now used to be the territory of Arizona.
And in 1866, Congress disposed of the part of the territory of Arizona And supposedly added it to the state of Nevada.
How much of Nevada was part of Mexico before the Mexican-American War?
It was all.
After the Mexican-American War, it became a territory.
And then 20 years later, almost, it becomes a state.
It wasn't a state, so Congress had unlimited power over territories.
They still have unlimited power over territories.
But when they disposed of it, this is a thing that the courts and everything don't seem to...
Try to digest it all.
When they disposed of it, the federal government lost jurisdiction and authority.
Congress lost jurisdiction and authority.
It all goes back to Amendment 10.
Yes, sir. You know, it's really simple.
There's not very many steps here.
It goes back to Amendment 10.
And what does Amendment 10 say?
Those powers not granted to the federal government are retained by the states and the people respectively.
That's right. You're no question.
So anyway, so what's the most important word?
Dispose. Dispose, because that's when the federal government...
Yeah, I think.
President Lincoln declared Nevada a state under the equal footing of the original 13 states.
Two times in his speech he makes that clear that we become equal to those 13 original states.
But this part of Nevada, that didn't happen here.
Because this part of Nevada was part of the territory of Arizona.
And later, a couple of years later, we were disposed of it and attached it to the state of Nevada.
Supposedly, little said, it still never happened, so I don't know how that all...
You're going to have to figure that out for me.
I'm looking into it.
So, what have I said wrong now?
What do you mean? You know, well, the thing of it is, I sit here and preach to you, let's call it that, and I want to know if I said something wrong.
No, so far everything flows logically.
Well, I don't care about logic.
I want to know if I'm right or wrong.
According to our... According to our constitution, we gotta go back to that.
So, first we have to determine whether or not your beloved BLM, Bureau of Land Management, federal entity, was constituted lawfully under the constitution.
No, it don't matter about that.
Number two, whether they lawfully...
Have dominion over certain parcels of territory within Nevada.
And whether or not the state of Nevada gave and granted that authority to the federal government.
No, because none of that matters.
It takes me a long time to figure this out.
None of that matters. What matters is, say I'm a rancher.
I'm going to back up a little bit on this, but back this up, this ranching thing up a little bit.
So I'm a rancher and my ancestors come here in a wagon pulled with a team of horses.
They had everything they owned on that wagon.
And they might have had a milk cow or something, a saddle horse tied to the back of the wagon.
When they get to an area in the west, let's say they decide they couldn't stop and camp.
When they stop and camp, what's the first thing that they need to do?
You tell me. You're a rancher.
No, I'm just common sense.
Remember, you've got a team of horses.
You don't have a Cadillac here.
They need the water and the radiator.
Water. They need water.
So they take and unbuckle their harness on that horse, off that wagon, and they take and find some water for that horse.
And when that horse takes the very first sip of water, He is creating a beneficial use of the water.
First white man, whatever.
When that horse makes the first sip, he created beneficial use of that water.
The pioneer, he might take and drink it again.
His wife and kids might drink it.
His milk cow might drink it.
They're making beneficial use.
Well, Nevada state laws are all based on first come first right.
So that guy that used that water, if he decides to stay there and make that his homestead, he has first come, first served to that water.
Now what's the next thing that horse needs?
Well, food. He needs some food.
He don't have a grain barrel and a stack of hay, so now he's going to go up on the side of the bank and start grazing.
When he takes his first bite there, he's creating a beneficial use of that forage.
First beneficial use, again, state law says first come, first rights.
Okay, so now that's the way things worked when they settled the West.
So now you get the whole Western, you know, the Western, really Western half of the United States, at least like the 11 Western states.
They were all created under that same kind of law.
In other words, first come, first right.
That's where they recreated the rights.
And so now we get...
We go from the 1800s and get into the 1900s and we get into 1934, let's just say.
And when I say all, there's private property, things that's maybe not all.
But when I say all, I'm talking about in general.
All of the western United States has basically grazing rights on them.
Either cattle or sheep, all of it, you know.
Either they're cattle or sheep.
Everybody's running in common.
Nobody has any lines.
It's just everybody running in common.
The only rule was if one rancher had enough gun power to drive the other, it went off or whatever.
So in 1934, which is not very far back, you have the thing where we have range wars.
And then we have things that we were like overgrazing.
And so it wasn't a local problem.
It wasn't a state problem.
It wasn't a county problem. It was a sort of a national problem.
A bunch of states were these problems.
So Congress passed a law and In 1934, there was to go and to adjudicate these rights.
Remember, I told you the rights were already created.
There was lots of people with rights, and they all run in common.
Nobody knew where their lines were.
And they'd filed with things like water rights with the state engineers and stuff.
But there was no adjudication.
And so... When I say Clive and Bundy, Clive and Bundy sort of accepts the fact that maybe the federal government has a little bit of interest in things that was happening in the states and the counties because it was sort of interstate.
So I sort of accepted Taylor Grayson Acts of being a little bit constitutional.
Now what they were doing was What Congress said the federal government was supposed to do, remember now we're going to adjudicate all of these rights.
There's thousands of them.
And so, we have a...
Who's going to be the judge?
In other words, I run my cows up here towards Bunkerville Mountain, and half a dozen other neighbors run their cows up towards Bunkerville Mountain.
Who's going to be the judge?
So would it be a county judge?
Would it be a state judge?
Would it be a federal judge?
Who's going to judge where these boundaries are going to be?
No, none of that was going to happen.
What happened was they were elections and they created grazing boards.
And what they did is they nominated and voted the ranching people, the cattle and sheep people, voted on either five or seven men to be the judge.
Now, what part did the federal government have involved with this?
The federal government had three things they were supposed to do.
One, they were supposed to monitor this process, the monitor.
Two, survey the lines.
And three was to keep records.
And so the federal government had three things that they were supposed to do.
And who's going to pay for them for these three things?
That's where the grazing fees come in.
So the cattle people...
Said, okay, agreed, however you wanted to put it.
We'll pay six cents for every AUM. That's every animal unit that runs out here in this open range.
Six cents for each cow for each month.
Well, so that six cents, it was going to pay for these three federal government that's doing these three services.
And so that went on through the And then who was going to judge?
The grazing board was going to judge, so these men that they'd picked.
So like if I was going to say, oh, one of my ranks is adjudicated, I'm going to go and go to the grazing board and say, hey, I'd like to find out where my lines are.
And they said, well, there's a couple of things that you've got to be...
Required here. One is you've got to have beneficial use.
Prove that you've been using it for so long.
So let's just say, okay, I'll say, well, I've been raising 100 head for 20 years.
Well, he said, you've got to go back five years.
So you've got to prove you had 100 head for five years.
Then you've got to have two other things.
You've got to own some water or have some base property, like this farm is a base property in the middle of this range, or have the water rights that's filed with the state engineer.
So we own the water, we own the base property.
Now I qualify to have an adjudication So the board would take it into consideration.
Okay. And figure out, let's just say they get it done and they say, okay, here's your line and here's your line.
Okay. When we get this adjudication done, the federal government should have got out.
These three guys should have got out of the picture, right?
It's done. By 1960, all this was done.
From 34 to 60.
Okay. But what happened is now we got a line, we got it surveyed, and we got it on a map.
Got another line over here, and it's on the map.
So we know where Bundy's allotment is now, they're starting to call it.
But the trouble of it is there's no fences or division.
So who's going to build the fences?
Well, they decided to raise that grazing fee from six cents to, let's say, a dollar.
So now we're going to, each month we're going to pay $1 for one animal.
And so, and then they, the feds, they got, instead of 6 cents, now they raised their fee to 12.5%.
So that was, out of $100, they got, or $1, they got 12.5.
And the other 87.5 cents, what was this supposed to do?
It was going to build the fence.
Buy the material and help build the fences, maybe move water and all of these kinds of things.
And so, instead of the government getting out of the business in the West, they become the manager of, again, of this range improvements.
And they got a little more money, so the rancher paid them their wage.
We the people wasn't paying the government.
We, the rancher, was paying the government.
The government wasn't buying fence material and posts and all of those things.
We, the rancher, was buying that.
But the government was handling it, see, always.
So now, by now, they get to where it's called grazing fees.
More taxation without representation.
Yeah, it become like a tax thing.
So if you wanted to raise a cow out there, you've got to go buy a permit.
And you've got to pay them a fee.
And the fee is no amount to much, I guess.
But the terms and conditions become great.
In other words, you sign a contract.
And so now every rancher in this whole western United States is signing a contract with a whole bunch of terms and conditions.
Now, let me get back so you can pick up where I'm going here.
What did I tell you my defense was?
One is I graze cattle only on Clark County, Nevada land.
So no interstate commerce triggered?
Yeah. There's no federal?
No federal there.
And it's all in Clark County.
I don't even go across the county line or nothing.
So I graze my cattle only on Clark County, Nevada land.
And then I have no contract with the federal government.
Every other ranch here in this whole western United States has a contract.
And at least every year, and a lot of times they do it every time they put cattle out on the rig, they go and sign their name on the bottom of a contract.
So when they sign their name on the bottom of the contract, you know, the federal government has a right to contract.
And when they signed their nonviolent contract, they just created themselves back in the same situation as a territory or as a law is concerned.
So, if you have a contract, well, let me get into the Constitution again.
In Article 3 of the Constitution, it says that if you we're talking about the judical part of the The law, the court's power.
Well, the federal court has power over, say, ambassadors.
And they have power over military people.
And they have power over parties with the federal government.
Yeah, you're talking about jurisdiction and original jurisdiction of the courts.
Yeah, the courts jurisdiction.
Okay, so when you say party, what is the right you've done when you signed a contract with the federal government?
He become a party with the federal government.
And so all of these ranchers have signed their, you know, their sovereignty away by signing a contract.
Now the contract has a whole bunch of terms and conditions.
If the federal government breaks one of them terms and conditions, or if that rancher breaks one of them terms and conditions, guess where you're going to go to?
What court? On to a federal court.
And have you ever heard of a rancher ever beating a case in a federal court?
He can't ever beat it.
Yeah, you. Yeah. But let me tell you why I can beat that.
Because I don't have a contract.
If I had a contract, they would say, Monday, you signed right here and it said you're not supposed to run over that bush.
You were the only one.
And the court would say, Bundy, it's right there.
You signed it and you run over the bush.
So you're guilty. But I didn't sign it.
I haven't signed the contract since about 1992 or 3, right after I didn't that time.
So you pulled out four middle fingers.
I took them away.
I don't have a contract.
And how I did that is I said I wrote a certified letter to the solicitor of the United States.
I thanked them for their service.
Told them I don't need their service no more.
Talking about their monitoring, all these services.
I don't need their service no more.
And I'll do all of my own arrangements from now on.
In other words, I'm not going to participate.
And I'm not going to pay any more money.
And that's all they were to it.
And I never did that since.
Of course, they come and say, well, you're trespassing on federal land.
So what? I'm not trespassing on federal land.
I don't believe you own this land.
I believe it belongs to the state of Nevada.
And I live in Clark County.
Is this from Clark County still?
Yeah. So far as I'm concerned, you guys don't have no jurisdiction authority.
So every time I go to court, including all the time in jail, I said, the first thing you've got to prove in this court is jurisdiction.
You don't have no jurisdiction.
And when it gets right down to why they let me out and everybody else out of the deal, we'd have pinned them down to where it proved that they didn't have no jurisdiction.
And then even if they whipped us in court, we'd have took that on to the Supreme Court.
They don't want this thing to go to the Supreme Court.
So this was dismissed in 2016?
Yeah, I guess so.
Well, no, I don't know.
It's later than that.
I think it might have been 17, January 8th, 17.
It happened. It was in there on the It happened in the 14s.
It took them two more years.
So you got 14, 15, 16, and 17.
I don't know. They might have released it in 18.
I don't know. For some reason, I don't know.
I just don't know who's there for a few years.
So what now?
Well, so here's where I'm at.
You know, I come home and My ranks survived the whole deal.
I just went back to ranching and doing the same thing I did before I went to jail.
Did they ever charge you with anything?
Yeah, it was about...
They had charges and they had about 180 years of prison time behind all of them.
And then they dropped them all.
Yeah, I dropped them all.
Like I said, I never... I never even got out of it.
So how do you reclaim your two years of lost time?
Well, I had lots of lawyers wanting to take that case and claim it.
And so I've always sort of felt like I never wanted to sue the federal government because I feel like they don't have no jurisdiction in the authority.
Why do I want to sue this?
See them. Well, how do we create consequences for what they did to you?
Well, so then let's talk about who Bundy would be mad at, okay?
We know what the feds did.
So Bundy could be mad at the county sheriff.
He really should have protected my life, liberty, and property instead of being in fusion with the feds.
I could be mad at the state and Nevada.
I could be mad at the, he was a local sheriff, I think.
But probably if I want to really get mad at somebody, I'd get mad at the Nevada State Brand inspector.
He's the one that signed my cattle, ownership of my cattle to the federal government.
So he's the one that should be held liable.
Well, how did he do that? He just confiscated your cattle?
Well, when you sell or transfer, when you move cattle or transfer cattle or sell cattle, let's just say sell cattle, in order for me to sell a cow to you, I'd need to call the brand inspector, state brand inspector.
They would come and inspect the cow.
They'd find that it would have my brand on it, which is a VO on the left hip.
And then they would identify that cow and give you a brand inspection slip, basically changing ownership.
Now you own that cow that has a VO brand on it.
And you can do whatever you want with it.
You can go sell it to auction.
Right. Or you can put another brand on it.
But every animal that moves goes through that process.
So, but according to Nevada law, that certificate has to have the owner's signature on it.
Right. Right. So I have to write my signature on the bottom of that band inspector and make it any good.
Well, in this case, the band inspector come and goes through.
They had 386 head of my cattle in the Krell.
And he signs the bottom of the certificate and sends my name on there and transfers ownership to the federal government.
What's his name? Well, his last name's Wright.
Where is he at now? He don't work for the state.
I don't know, but he's still around.
He's sort of a young guy. Wright?
Sounds wrong to me.
Sounds wrong. He's damn sure wrong.
So you have a claim against him?
Okay, so let me go back where we get out of jail.
I have all these lawyers who are wanting me to sue the federal government.
And so I said, no, I want to sue somebody that's accountable.
We've got jurisdiction of authority.
So we go take a case and we sue the brand inspector, we sue the state of Nevada, we sue the county of Clark.
And, of course, you know what happens there?
The Attorney General wouldn't take the case.
Reason? Any reason he gave?
Yeah, they just don't want to deal with it.
You know, they're digging too deep.
They don't want to take the L. Yeah.
Because the L, the loss, is going to be too deep.
Yeah. And it's going to impact many other people.
Yeah. So, in other words, what happens then is they basically wouldn't let that suit go forward.
And so, after a time, we just sort of...
Negotiated this. No.
We're not going to do nothing. Moot.
So the weaponization of the federal government and others.
And the state. Begins in 2014.
About the same time that it began for General Flynn.
Well, yeah. About the same kind of thing going on there.
Um... There was some other point I wanted to try to bring there, but I've quite lost it now.
Mr. Wright? Well, no.
I want to get back to control of this public land.
Right. Okay. So when you talk about...
Who's got control? If you ask just about anybody, they'll say the federal government has control of, like, 86 or, let's just call it 90% of the state of Nevada.
And they have the same thing over Utah and Arizona and New Mexico.
They control a lot of it.
How do they control it?
Constitutional, there's no way they control any of that.
The way they control it is because of the contract that these people have made.
It's hard to figure out when you figure there's say, I don't know, 100,000 of them.
Contracts. With the federal government.
It's basically saying, we've signed a contract with you.
So it's not a contract between the state of Nevada and the federal government.
It's private citizens, ranchers, with the federal government.
And you didn't have that.
Yeah, and let me tell you, I don't know how much you want to hear this, but I keep trying to make things clear.
So, let's say that I'm a rancher.
You are. And I break one of the rules on the contract.
Say I run over a bush.
Maybe let's just say I run over a turtle.
Definitely against the rule.
Accidentally. Yeah, but even if I run over the bush, let's say it was a tortoise's habitat, so I've destroyed government property on government land, and they're going to prosecute me and just raise hell of me and take me to jail for 100 years as I did this.
So I go and say, Sheriff, you're supposed to protect me for...
You know, you're supposed to be my protection here against the federal government.
And they were going to take me to jail for a hundred years.
You know what the sheriff's going to say when it gets right down to it?
Do you have a contract with the federal government?
And I'd have to say, yeah, I do.
And he said, do you have the terms and conditions on there?
Yeah, there's terms and conditions.
I can't run over bushes.
He said, I can't help you.
You go to the court, what's the court going to say?
Federal rules, laws there, you run over a bush, penalty, 100 years in jail.
I mean, it's just that simple.
So, all of these people in the western United States that's hollering about their land, well, it's all because of contracts.
But the livestock contract is only one thing.
What about the contract with the county sheriff, you know, where he's getting some money out of the Peds, or the school district?
Or on and on and on.
It's all, everybody's signing contracts with the federal government and they just give up their total liberty and poverty and everything by federal contracts.
Sounds like your situation.
They came after you.
You stole your ground.
You, they detained you for two years.
But at the end of the day, you at a minimum stalemated them.
You individually, maybe some others, stalemated the power of the most corrupt institution on the planet.
You single-handedly stalemated them.
Do you want to go on offense against them now?
Or are you fine with this victory?
Well, there's one thing that...
See, in other words, we still made them, but we never solved nothing.
Correct. You know, I actually still have all the charges that they ever give against me, I guess.
Never with ever. You know, like the trespass, all those things.
They're all still there, but I question you don't have no jurisdiction.
I don't care what you...
Say or do, you know, the jurisdiction questions where you have to answer first.
So they had to give up.
So you beat them. They bent to your will.
Yeah, they did. But now the only thing I have over them is you just monkey with me again and there'll be a couple of things.
Say there was a thousand people here come and help defend me along with some Malaysian people.
I said there'll be 10,000 of us next time.
And I don't say how many Malaysians are going to be here, but I said there'll be 10,000 next time.
But the other thing is, you monkey with me and I'll take you to federal court and I'll prove that you don't have no jurisdiction and authority over this plan.
And that sort of scares me.
We got people like you that are pushing back.
All it takes is one person to push back against this lawless and belligerent, illegitimate activity.
And when people see that and learn that all it takes is one, it gives them the courage to do the same thing.
If there's enough of us, once we get critical mass doing that, it becomes a pretty easy endeavor.
But until we get to that point, people like you have to bear the brunt of that weaponization.
Because they, up until this point, have controlled the information flow and release of your situation.
When we can take ownership of pushing the real narrative, they start to squirm and back off every time.
Sunlight's the best disinfectant.
So, you know, I understand that, but there's always a third-party entity here that I don't know whether you realize how powerful they are.
You talk about the deep stain and all these type of things, but really the thing that's out here in the West, they're all over the world, I guess, but it's the environmentalists.
You take some of these environmental groups, their budgets are not millions or hundred millions.
They got billions of dollars, and they got lots of money.
And they just love to fight.
That's all they got to do, that's why.
So they don't mind throwing lots of money and a lot of lawyers and lots of things at you.
They're the ones that actually triggers everything, like back in 14.
They triggered it back in the 12.
It's always them people that are backing it up.
We've got to identify them by name.
Date, place, and transgression.
Yeah, but they're...
I'll give you an example.
So I was represented, I guess, the livestock industry in the Clark County, what started out to be Tortoise Habitat Conservation Plant.
So you go to a meeting, and And the city of Mesquite, they had a representative.
I was there. The miners had a representative.
The off-road people had a representative.
We go there, but there's 100 people there.
What you find out is the 100 people, like the 98 of them, they're all environmentalists, but they're all employed by the federal government.
They're all the same.
Slaves to the system.
Yeah, they're the same.
In other words, you go to a meeting and you can't tell the difference between the environmental and the feds because they're all the same.
They've got blue hair.
Yeah, blue hair. I take that as a challenge for me to carry...
The baton, if you will, will push back against these scum.
How do you do it?
When I say there's sort of a soft, spongy, I don't know, I think in my mind it's sort of You know, sort of like a big old fat belly.
What are you going to do with a big old fat belly?
I mean, you can punch on it a little bit, but it doesn't do much good.
It's sort of like the federal government, so it's a big old fat belly.
You change your methodology from poking the bear and change your finger into an ice pick.
Yeah, it hurts, but darn it, there's a lot of blubber there.
Yeah, ice pick is very effective.
There's a lot of bubble there.
Blubber. Bubble too.
And so you look at our government.
Let me talk about Trump for a minute.
No need to.
No, but I want to talk a little bit about Trump.
Okay. So...
When Trump was nominated or...
You know what we were talking about eight years ago or whatever?
You know...
Eight years ago to the next month.
Yeah. Next month, eight years ago.
So... In Cleveland.
Nominated. So here's what Bundy said.
I said, there's not another man on this earth that could do that job except Trump.
And I really think I was right.
But then when he was inaugurated and when he was put in office, I looked at Trump and I said, you know, Trump, you only got two, maybe three friends.
Two of them is your Your son, maybe your daughter-in-law or your daughter, that's all the friends you got.
And Trump didn't understand that.
Trump thought he had the friends of the Republican Party, for one thing.
Who, Pence? Paul Ryan?
Yeah, I mean, but he put a little faith in them, and then what Trump was, I mean, he had, let's just say he had 250 assignments to make, and he didn't have one man to put into place.
Yeah, they went after the only guy that was able to clean house.
Yeah, they just kept...
General Flynn. They just kept bringing their swamp to him, and he would digest as best he could.
So that's what happened to him.
In other words...
When you get right to the end of this thing, you know, the defense department was his worst enemy.
I mean, he'd had four years to straighten the damn mess out, and he didn't have it done.
You know what I mean? He should have fired all of them son of a gun.
He should have cleaned the house.
CCP Millie. Yeah, but let me tell you something.
I had a little sort of like a dream.
I see Trump.
I see this city with a cross street in it.
It has a big white house on one corner.
And I see Trump coming down to that intersection.
And I can't remember what all the dream was all about.
But Trump passed this big white building.
And when he passed and went on down the road, there's one thing I realized.
I realize that Trump knows who them rotten buggers are now.
He didn't know before, but he does now.
He does now. That's what I realized.
Trump knows who them buggers are now.
Guess who knows them inside and out?
You do? Up and down.
General Flynn.
Yeah. You heard of that name?
Yeah, I know who he is.
That's why they had to take him out first, so that Trump could be blindsided for a while as they ran circles around him.
But he still did a good job.
Yeah, he did a good job.
Even though he was blindsided.
Then we have that election.
The illegal election. Well, here's how I explain that in a few words.
Trump, he goes out and has a rally, and he has 20, 40, 50,000 people.
Every time he has that many.
If Biden comes out there and he has to hire 200 to honk horns, that's the best he can do.
Yeah. And yet, American people supposedly elected him.
So here's...
The Fauci-funded lab incident from Wuhan.
Okay, but here, let me tell you something.
The saddest thing about this country...
The saddest thing is not that Trump didn't get in there.
The saddest thing would be is if we, the people, actually elected Biden.
Bigly. Look how sad that is.
It's an embarrassment. If we actually, we the people, actually elected him legally, that's the saddest thing that could ever happen.
Well, we got a solution for this next go.
State legislatures.
In order to circumvent all fraud, manipulation, machines, retail, wholesale fraud, analog, digital, software, foreign interference.
Let's just go back to how we did it.
Have the state legislatures decide on who gets their electors from each state.
Then we can live stream video those votes.
Yeah, but they didn't do it.
They don't have it set up for that.
We haven't did nothing.
We've had four years to do something.
We haven't did nothing. Article 2, Section 1, Clause 2.
They can do that. Yeah, they can.
They have the authority. Yeah, but they won't.
They haven't. They're not set up to do it.
I mean, how are we going to place that?
How are we going to place that?
I'm working it. I have these bigger accounts like Elon Musk and Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan and some of these other folks to understand what needs to be done.
And I think we're getting close.
September time frame, I expect.
So there's a There's something that's pretty odd when you get to studying the Monday standoff things.
There was a...
Yeah, that's legendary. There was a time that I said that...
I tried to always talk in the third party of, like we the people, but basically, like I said, the county sheriff...
Go up there and take those...
Federal domestic terrorists off your property.
No, take those weapons away from those.
I said disarm those feds.
Actors. Disarm them.
Take their guns away and bring them back here in front of the flags here.
That was about the only thing I asked the sheriff to do.
Why did I ask the sheriff to do that?
I wasn't sure, but later on I understood a little more.
Them rotten buggers are the ones that kill people.
And they had just killed a guy, a kid, down there to Red Rock, down there to Las Vegas, about two weeks before they had to stand off there.
I didn't realize what I was saying, in a way, but then after, you rotten buggers, the same ones that killed that kid are up here to kill me, any of my family and friends.
And that's why I told that sheriff to go disarm them.
That was his job. Well, it was about probably about maybe 10 days, a week later, I told the nice media.
I said, there's 3,000 sheriffs in this country.
Every one of them sheriffs need to go disarm those feds that's in their county.
3,000. That was no big deal.
Just go disarm those pets.
And I said another thing.
If you don't disarm them one of these days, you're going to face those guns.
Now we're getting closer to going to face those guns.
But they did pay attention to what I said.
I don't know what came up with the hearings in Congress.
That's because I said that.
You better disarm them, them guys.
Oh yeah. And then another thing I said...
We're not only going to do that.
Again, they're going to experience the most peaceful, legal and moral, ethical, patriotic endeavor they've ever experienced in their life.
Every single one of them.
Another thing I say...
Because we have tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people that will facilitate them experiencing that.
Well, you get, you know, of course it's just news, but these bureaucracies, you know, talk about...
Because it's so easy now. To learn where they live, each one.
Oh, I know that, and I know.
Where their homes are.
I think that's one of the things.
Who they're related to. Where they frequent.
Yeah. What kind of vehicles they own.
But never... What kind of devices that they own and they emit.
You know... GPS. 30 years ago.
Geo-tracking data. 30 years ago.
Which social media apps they use.
40 years ago. As we monitor all their communications.
We're always talking about getting to the individual.
And I don't know if we've ever got to the individual yet.
You know what I'm talking about?
We've never got to the individual.
It don't take very many of them individuals to make a whole bit of change.
Because they're all a bunch of chickens anyway.
Takes one. That's right.
And when they see what just happened with that one, they start to squirm.
But they play the same thing with us.
You know, you know Waco and Ruby Ridge, and you know, my son Ryan's got a bullet in it.
Let me go back through this.
I said, you got all of these millions of rounds of bullets that all of these feds, different departments are getting.
You hear about that.
You know, the FBI, even the school administration, they got their own armies.
That's what come after me is one of those federal armies.
They have their own armies.
And they've gotten all of these bullets.
And so what I said, well, I'll tell you what about these issued bullets.
I've got a son that's got one of those bullets in his shoulder.
And I've got a friend that got one of them bullets right through his heart.
The Boy Fennikin.
So I know what they do with those bullets.
They don't have those bullets to fight our enemy across the border.
They got them bullets to kill us here in America.
Let me close with this.
You're familiar with the Bible, Leviticus, an eye for an eye?
Yeah, I understand that, but I don't really...
I don't really feel that...
I don't...
I'd rather say instead of I'd rather understand forgiveness and repent.
But there's certain things like the sovereignty issue...
You know, these people, their jurisdiction.
How do you forgive someone that doesn't ask for forgiveness?
Well, you know, they run a whole nation on, you know, that kind of...
The thing of it is, we've educated we to be the people.
Like I say, we started to educate them in probably 1950s.
So we educated this environmental movement, and we educated these professors, and we educated these lawyers.
And now they become part of the bureaucracy.
I mean, hell, I bet you what?
I bet you close to 90% of the Congress are all lawyers.
Mm-hmm. The scum of the earth.
Yeah. Wait, I'm a lawyer too.
Well, I don't know what you are, but I know what the Lord had to say about flyers a couple thousand years ago.
Yeah. So anyway, I've had, let's just put it this way, I've had a little bit of experience in life, and really most of it's been good.
Good to hear. I'm not really too mad at anybody.
Do you feel like you've been vindicated and overall it's a victory?
Because at the end of the day, they had nothing against you.
Yeah, they didn't have nothing.
They had to give up. They had to give up.
They yelled mercy. And they had to give up.
And I said, if you just carry this cord on for about two more hours...
You know, I would have walked out of there with a real victory.
What they did is they shut it down before I got that chance.
They forfeited? Yeah, they did.
And then they tried to take that to the Ninth Circuit.
In the Ninth Circuit, I don't know why they did it, but they...
They scolded them.
I guess you've got to say them.
The government beat them hard.
You have a way of using very polite words.
Some of us don't frequent those words.
Well, I don't know.
Anyway, it's been good to each in.
Thank you for everything you've done, for pushing back against the lawlessness.
Because if one person doesn't stand up, everybody falls.
I saw that video.
National Poison Radio reporter rolling through here.
And then when he was being reported, all of a sudden, he's all interested in transparency until the transparency is on him.
Well, I'm here to shine about a trillion lumens of transparency on them scum.