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May 1, 2024 - Blood Money
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Jack Smith and Company Persecuted me 12 years ago..." w/ Steve Stockman
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Alright, welcome to the latest episode of Blood Money.
Today we have a very special guest, Steve Stockman.
How are you doing, sir? Fabulous.
Great being here and thank you for having me on.
Yeah, thank you for coming on the Blood Money Podcast.
So Steve, you're obviously not on camera here.
We're trying to conceal your current identity, but you have freely spoken about who you are, where you come from, what you do.
Do you mind taking us through all those facts, please?
Well, briefly, to go a little bit back and then come forward, I defeated the chairman of the Judiciary Committee in 1994 as part of the revolution, they call it, the Newt Gingrich Revolution, when we took over the House for the first time in 40 years.
And then I took care of my fatherhood, Da Vinci, for 20 years.
I came back and won in another interesting election.
And so during both times I served on the whitewater committee in 94 against the Clintons And then I which was best getting committee in the banking committee subcommittee And then I came back again in one after Obama and also a national on TV, which I'll try to send you a clip of it, but we were on on The Kelly files and called to the rest of Lois learner and
two weeks after that I had Jack Smith Which is the same guy that's persecuting?
And a person's been in his better word than prosecuting Trump and he's doing the same thing. He did to me. He's doing a trial and And two weeks after I was on there, they came to my house, FBI agents.
And we're quite frankly, then they were like open about why they were there.
They said, you're going after our friends.
And people forget, hiring policy is what changed an organization.
And they went from hiring credentialed, criminal, professional, you know, law enforcement, You know, all this kind of liberal, you know, theology. Like the one, I think one of the FBI did so, they went after me and I actually looked her up and on her Facebook page she was part of the Democrat Socialists of America.
I mean, it's these political activists that they seem to be filling in all these unelected positions, really, to wage essentially a war against their political opponents, it seems as though.
Yeah, in fact, I know this to be absolutely true, because I have a friend in New York, Well, they thought he was a liberal because he's in New York and, you know, they just assumed he was.
And he's a really very smart guy.
He helped go around the world setting up credit cards and stuff.
Very smart guy. And the Obama administration came to him during that period in which Trump won until he's sworn in.
They came to him and said, look, this is so phenomenal.
They said, we're trying to put our people in before Obama leaves.
So they've filled all those positions with radical leftists.
And that's why we have radical leftists in the justice system.
We have radical leftists.
I mean, if you listen to NPR, I mean, basically, imagine NPR running everything in the government.
That's exactly what you have.
That is so wild, man.
That is so wild. So, they came to you and they said, we're trying to help our friends out here.
That's why we're persecuting you.
I mean, take us through that whole story.
Tell us exactly what happened.
Well, I was at my apartment in a long time.
I used to sleep out of my office, then they pressured us to get an apartment, so I got an apartment, and they came to my door, two FBI agents came to my door and knocked on the door, and I thought, man, this is strange.
They're coming here like six o'clock in the morning, whoever it is, and I told them I couldn't answer the door, and then they said, oh, we're here, we gotta give you something, and I said, well, slip it on the door, and that's when they said, oh, we can't, and then she finally said, I said, who are you with?
That's when she said, oh, we're FBI. And then later on, they're talking.
They said, well, we're here because your position is affecting our friends or something like that.
I can't. It's been so long now.
Believe it or not, it's been 10 years ago.
They kept us going for a long time.
Hold on. Anyhow, so it's very frustrating, and we were sitting there, or I was sitting there, and I asked them to push the thing on the door, and they told me they had a hand to me.
That's when I knew it was a subpoena.
And I said, and then she slid her card underneath the door, and it was a, her card actually, I couldn't believe this.
Then she had her Facebook page up still.
So, I mean, I looked her up on the internet and everything, trying to do some research on it.
And there was her thing, I mean, including her marriage and everything, I was shocked.
And it gave her background, and I was really shocked at her background.
As far as I could tell, she had no formal criminal training in terms of, you know, law enforcement.
And it was just, you know, she was hired, what is that, DEI or whatever, that kind of hiring.
Mm-hmm. So, we got a whole system in which there's some very bad characters.
And then from that point on, I had to hire attorneys and everything.
So, it's been a real tough time and they subpoenaed everybody, every one of my friends and stuff.
They do it. Rules are radical.
What they do is they identify you and then they, uh, they, what they do is they call, cut me off.
They try to isolate you from your friends and then they quote kill you.
I figuratively, I assume.
And so, uh, by subpoenaing all my friends, you know, they, you know, your friends get alienated and everything.
People get paranoid. Oh, you must be a criminal.
I wouldn't be subpoenaing. But no, it's a tactic.
And they did it with Trump, too.
You know, they were subpoenaing everybody.
And they also subpoenaed, like, a car mechanic.
You know? They spent four years, four grand juries.
Mind you, you only need one grand jury if you're really guilty, right?
You only need four. Four grand juries and $22 million.
What were they? I mean, they spent $22 million on that investigation.
Yes, because, well, I didn't tell you everything I did.
I also uncovered some pretty serious stuff they did.
One of them was, I sent this out, I press release thought I'd make national news, and I only made like Newsweek, I think it was, and World Net Daily.
And one of the things is that there's a group called the Haqqani Network, and Bo Bergdahl, I don't know if you remember him, but he was captured by the Taliban.
And the Taliban then sold him or whatever to the Haqqani Network, and our government under Obama, did the same thing the way Biden did.
That's why you know Obama's fingerprints are all over this presidency.
It's the identical thing he did.
And so in order to get money to the Haqqani Network, they paid, which is illegal, they paid hundreds of millions of dollars to the Haqqani Network for this really corrupt U.S. soldier who walked off, he was deserted.
Two guys got killed trying to find and trying to rescue him.
And then the Obama officials ended up giving Haqqani Network, which was back on the hills for being broke, but then after Obama did that, they had a lot of money.
So we uncovered that, and we also called, first person called for his impeachment, things like that, kind of upset the Obamas quite a bit.
Wow, wow, so okay, do me a favor.
I mean, I really need to understand your entire story, right?
Tell me, in a timeline fashion, your entire story of like, you know, how you got elected to office, what you did while you were in office, including Did you do anything bad?
Did you do anything that would warrant them investigating you?
And if not so, describe to us the politics of everything that was involved in trying to take you down and how they did that.
Well, I don't think you let me go this long.
I give a 90-minute speech and it's actually like two hours.
I mean, I started out in the 90s serving on the Whitewater Committee and Clinton Do you mind if I stop you and ask you a question there?
I'm sorry.
I apologize. You can stop me anytime.
I didn't mean to marathon you.
I apologize. No, no worries.
No worries at all. I just want to get clarity on the logic behind all that you did.
So, you said once you were elected into office, you started going after Hillary Clinton.
Why did you go after Hillary Clinton?
What was your reasons for doing so?
Well, you've got to realize I was kind of a conservative activist before I got elected.
One thing that always ticks me off is You elect a congressman.
You're out there campaigning.
He goes, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that.
It's kind of like our Speaker of the House, right?
He talks real tough and he gets in and becomes a pussycat.
So, I said, you know what?
I don't want to be that guy.
I said, I want to be a guy that after getting elected, I'm going to stand up and fight for conservative values.
And I fought for the Second Amendment real heavy.
In fact, I invited Ted Nugent to the State of the Union.
It was I worked for the Leadership Institute where we did investigative journalism.
And in fact, one of my trainees was, a lot of your listeners know, he does videos.
It's James O'Keefe.
And we had the guy that founded, we trained the guy that founded Libertarian Organization.
Some other really good people that we worked with ended up succeeding.
So between Two times I was in office, one of the things is I helped with the Leadership Institute, and we did investigations.
So when I got in office, I started using the power of my office to do deep dives.
And Dana Roelbacker, who's a great American congressman from California, warned me.
He said, Steve, you're going after Hillary.
You're going to end up either dead or in prison.
And when my wife came and talked to Dana, he goes, well, I warned Steve, and he didn't listen.
So basically I want to be in congress when everybody voted for and that just shrink away from You know promise one thing to another Which is which is kind of I mean the parallels I'm seeing here right is that you have somebody like a Donald Trump that had a similar attitude as opposed to You know this kind of sea change that happens when people get elected into office
which they promise a whole bunch of things, and then once they get into office they really do mostly none of the above.
You know, they give you a few tokens here and there, but Most of the agenda that you voted for is not what happens.
And it seems as though when people go against whatever secret agreements are made between somebody and all their promises and actually being in office, that's where people get into trouble.
And another example is JFK. Donald Trump, JFK, you're talking the same talk.
We've seen other individuals be punished, like I think about Kucinich, for example.
I mean, tell us a little bit about that.
Well, it is the case in fact Joe Barton from Enos, Texas who was a congressman at that time Just point-blank told me he said we don't know what controls you We can't and we can't control you and I said the people that control me are my constituents I go I am NOT your constituent and you're not you know, vice versa. I said you just you need to Leave me alone, baby
Mm-hmm Oh my my.
You cut out for a second.
You cut out for about five seconds.
Do you mind repeating what you just said?
No, no, I don't mind.
I was told by a bargain from Enos, Texas, that he couldn't figure out who I was or who controlled me.
And I told him, I'm not controlled by you and I'm not trying to control you.
The people that control me, I'm my constituents.
I always had grassroots, so I didn't know the powerful, you know, I had the lowest dollar per vote.
So my supporters, I mean, they gave me, you know, like, the average donation was $27.
So, we were always outspent, but I always was close to our grassroots.
We ran out of the house.
People came to the house and cooked and did everything.
I picked up the garbage.
I did everything that the volunteers did.
We had about 2,500 volunteers, and we didn't have any money for posters, so we delivered all the mail.
Well, we had This stuff, our literature was delivered by hand to every door.
It was pretty amazing.
Wow. You said something about your cost per vote.
Could you dive into that and kind of present what yours was and what something would be on average?
Well, like for instance, the first time I ran, I think Brooks spent $1.2 million.
We spent $100,000.
And that was in the 90s, so that's probably double now.
That was probably inflation, especially under Biden, it's probably equivalent to $200,000.
And then, again, 20 years later, we were outspent.
I can't remember the exact figures, but the New York Times said that we had the lowest dollar per vote.
So what you take is the amount of money you spend and divide it by the number of votes you get, and that's how you get the dollar per vote.
And we had the lowest in the nation.
But that's because you gotta figure then each person that volunteers one hour at current rate What's it like 15 bucks an hour 20 depending what state you're in and if they're giving you 40 hours a week You may be outspent but in terms of volunteer hour now when you have volunteers You got to really respect them and once you get elected you can't turn around and stab them in the back And so I'm not gonna do what I promised to do so I stuck to my word and didn't break it and wait for it
You know like I said Dana warned me ahead of time. I need to stop I also had another congresswoman from California who told me that I was upsetting people.
And you remember that, I'm sure he remembers, what's his name, from New York, Schumer, said, you know, we have six ways on Sunday to screw you by the security apparatus.
And he's not joking about that.
And you have to, when you go to office, you have to consider that.
And a lot of people were, I have one guy, Congressman, sit down next to me, he says, I support 100% what you're doing, he says, but my district, you know, I just can't do that. I can't do what you're doing.
He goes, I support what you're doing.
Why couldn't he do what you're doing?
Bye.
They're fearful. I mean, frankly, you know, the guy replaced me.
He said, you know, I love this job.
I don't want to ever lose it.
He was more worried about that than we got too many guys in there that love the job and don't want to lose it.
Had I just kept my mouth shut, And did what everybody else did and did nothing, I'd still be in there to this day.
The charges against Trump, I mean, there's no way there's 90 felony charges against him all orchestrated at the same time.
It's so blatant what they're doing.
And they did the same thing to me.
They wanted to shut me up.
They did the same thing when they stacked the deck.
They blocked testimony.
The judge put a gag order on me.
It's so...
Actually, I'm kind of going through stress watching this because it's bringing back You know, what I went through, and it's so similar in so many ways, it's like cookie cutter.
Jack Smith, his wife is friends with Michelle Obama.
This is all political.
And they destroyed our system, our legal system.
by putting activist judges?
Not just activist judges, activist prosecutors, you know?
Jack Smith, a prosecutor, who by the way is not constitutionally appointed.
I don't know why they don't challenge that.
He's never been approved by the Senate.
He shouldn't be doing what he's doing.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, we did some work on the Canadian legal system and how badly it's corrupted with these individuals that are put into the courts, the federal courts, without any process that involves any oversight.
It's basically the Prime Minister puts them there and that's how Canada is really the prototype of how to turn your courts from justice courts into, like, literal, just an extension of a party.
And so it sounds like similar things are going on here.
Where's the checks and balances to all of this?
Well, our founding fathers wanted checks and balances, and the founding fathers talked about What they created was only for a moral and ethical people.
And when you have unethical and non-moral people, you're going to get what we got.
And if you really look at our system, throwing your opponent in prison is exactly...
What they did in Russia, what Putin does in Russia with China does, you know?
Vietnam just sentenced one of the political opponents to death.
You got all these different nations around the world.
Congo, around a regular basis, throws their opponents in jail.
And silenced opposition.
So we're becoming the same thing that we used to criticize.
We became what we used to condemn.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, we're doing, you know, not to jump around here, because I really want to hear the details of all that happened.
I mean, how you're, essentially, it sounds like a political persecution.
I want to understand also, you know, what were the charges?
You know, with Trump, we see, you know, the hush money and all this nonsense.
With you, what was it that they're saying you did?
Well, it's a little bit esoteric in terms of what it is.
I don't know how much I'm going to it, but you've got to realize all this is spanning over now.
It's been 11 years, so to tell you in 30 minutes what happens is kind of like saying, We're old in 30 minutes.
They start out with just one FEC charge.
By the way, the FEC, in my case, never said I did anything wrong, which is very similar to the current trial with TREP right now.
They're taking FEC, which is a federal body, and they flipped it into a state charge, which is bizarre, which they shouldn't be allowed to do.
And they're twisted. They use two things.
Anytime they want to count after this, There's a great book called Three Felonies a Day.
It documents how everybody in the United States commits three felonies because there's so many laws.
I mean, under Reagan there was like 3,000 federal laws and now we have over 300,000 laws.
So everybody breaks and commits a felony.
And the definition of fraud is determined not by you and your organization.
It's determined by the government. So if you anybody has a nonprofit including churches If someone gives you a donation and the person's happy they gave the donation and you spent the way the donor wanted The government could come in and say no you committed fraud Because we read this and we think you didn't do what we think you should have done That's exactly what they did with me. Once they get one crime, which is what they did to Trump then they call it stacking
So they say, oh you committed fraud, so you take a check from the church or whatever. Okay, you got you got a fraudulent And you spent the way the donor wanted the government could come in and say no you committed fraud Because we read this and we think you didn't do what we think you should have done That's exactly what they did with me once they get one crime Which is what they did to Trump then they call it stacking so they saw you committed fraud So you take a check from a church or whatever? Okay, you got you got a fraudulent donation now You're doing money lottery wire fraud, and that's how they stack the charges. That's how they went from You know like one charge to 96 or whatever. It's called stacking. It's just like going to house You know they keep put stuff on top, and that's what they did with me First I had two charges, and then it all went up to 27 charges.
And so a jury who doesn't understand federal election law or internal revenue law, I mean, they're mom and pop on the jury, and the government's sitting there going, oh, he broke the law.
But in reality, we never broke the law.
We had attorneys checking what we did, and we followed the law.
But the jury doesn't know that.
And there's also another book out about jury, how bad I mean, if you look at the...
If you interview some of these people demonstrating, they don't even know what they're saying or where Palestine is.
I mean, you're clueless. So you have a lot of people who are not well aware of what the law is, and when the laws get that complicated, you've got...
You know, it's just a real challenge to defend yourself.
Plus, you've got to be super rich.
There's a great thing I should send you from John Stossel.
He covers The book by Sidney Powell license the line Sidney Powell's a federal prosecutor here in Texas and she covered Then she went on as a defense attorney and covered how often the DOJ just absolutely lies In fact, the one case regarding the governor of Virginia McDonnell It was the Supreme Court and there's nine to zero verdict that Jack Smith created a crime
convicted of The Supreme Court said you can't convict somebody on a crime assignment on the books that's what they threw out the case Wow Wow. The guy who was a key witness in my race says, he said, I have the grievous guilt, or I'm paraphrasing, I don't remember how he said it, but he goes, I helped convict an innocent man.
He said, Joseph Stalin would be proud of what they did in the Stockman case.
How many years in jail did you end up doing?
Well, first, I've got to give you the context.
It was, I think, 27.
It was a lot of charges. I think it was 27.
I can't remember. I got convicted 26.
And so that was for 283 years.
And I always joke, I tell everybody, you know, I'm only going to do half of that.
So, um, but then she ended up, the judge ended up sending me 10 years in prison for something that is so ridiculous.
An FEC charge, federal auction charge, basically.
And they stacked a deck on that.
And then, uh, so I'm in prison and my wife was excellent at working and carrying my case.
95% of the people that go to prison They get divorced, and it's kind of sad.
I met a lot of people that were interested.
There's a guy in there now called John Woods, and I wish your listeners would write to him.
He's a state senator from Arkansas, and his crime was that he endorsed Trump in a state in which Hillary was from.
Wow He got money for a Christian school and they turn that into a crime of bribery or something like that It's ridiculous. Listen to this the FBI admitted he destroyed evidence to convict John So you would think hey With you know evidence to convict him he admitted that he also the FBI's purges himself not once but twice
Take cash to delete his computer software was to me would be turned over and you know I think he got like 90 days or years Probation and John is still in prison after being after they admitted they fall Oh my goodness. Wow. He's in Bastrop. If you look him up as you can write the Bastrop prison And he got 18 years.
I got 10, he got 18.
I really wish Trump would have pardoned him, because his case is, you know, my case is bad, but his is unbelievably bad.
So Trump pardoned you, right?
No, he commuted my sentence, and people want to know the difference.
Pardon means I get my gun rights back, my voting rights back, and it's like it never happened.
It means I got a pardon.
Commute means I just don't do the physical prison time.
I still was on probation for three years.
I was under the government's thumb and I couldn't talk like I am now with you.
That happened.
I finished that probation, three-year probation, December 22nd of last year.
So I've only been off about four months.
I rarely do interviews, but you Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I appreciate you, you know, coming and talking about this.
So, I mean, this sounds like the political persecutions we've been seeing more currently, like, in our mass media, but really, like, how long ago was this?
This was about 12 years ago?
Yeah, it was, well, 11 years.
Yeah, it was, some people said I was the tip of the spear in I was one of the first guys to get persecuted, but it was...
Oddly, at the end of our trial, by the way, the prosecutor who took over from Jack Smith and everything, he super-cropped himself very close with Obama, and Bob Barr put him in charge.
There's an article on Gateway Pundit about this guy.
Bob Barr put him in charge of voter fraud.
That'd be like putting one of the, you know, a robber's gang in charge of bank robbery.
Yeah, yeah. Just the wrong person to put in there.
But, yeah, all this happened many years ago.
People, when it first happened to me, thought, oh, you're guilty and all that.
And then now they're going, oh, wow, you really were upset.
Especially once they hear the whole...
I gave like a 90-minute presentation.
Once they hear it all, they just...
People come out and...
You know, very gracious to me.
And they did some other things when I was in prison.
Like, they try to give me, I'm a diabetic, and they try to give me a large dose of fast-acting insulin, which would have cut short my life.
Your what? They try to give me a large dose of quick-acting insulin, which would have cut short my life.
Wow! Wow!
But I told them it's unusual because normally when they gave me insulin, they would stand in front of me and I'd watch them fill the syringe, right?
Well, I went out there one time and I got a witness to this, by the way.
And he was standing behind me.
He said, damn, Sockman.
He said, they really are trying to kill you.
They set aside a syringe with my name out.
I said, I'm not taking anything that I don't know with my name out.
And the nurse said, I wouldn't need it.
She squirted it in the air.
So... You know, they don't fight the way we do.
I mean, it's crazy.
It's crazy because, like, you're talking about, like, murder, you know, putting you in jail.
We're seeing what's happened with the J6 people.
And the censorship on that is really crazy because, look, like, trying to think about this in the most objective way possible, yes, there was people on January 6th that deserved to be in jail, right?
Not... There's a lot of people in jail right now that don't deserve to be in there.
You know what I mean? That were there, like, they weren't talking about violence, they weren't doing violence, and that's a large majority.
It's like grandma's. I mean, yeah, they're also arresting grandma who's praying in front of an abhorcing court.
Throwing her in jail.
And in the meantime, right before Congress, you've got the head of the FBI saying, oh, we got all these Chinese spies.
This is the worst time. And we need more money.
And then they take that money instead of using it on Chinese spies to go ahead and spy on us.
It's just a use of power.
And Republicans keep falling for it.
It's almost like Charlie Brown with a football, you know?
They say, oh, we need more money.
And every time they get more money, they say, man, I'm working to attack us, just American citizens.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. They're throwing stuff all around and disrupting the meetings.
And this issue right now, sorry to interrupt you, now you have something like 30 million individuals that came illegally, that they're giving them all sorts of rights, including the right to vote and register to vote.
I mean, it's crazy.
It's crazy. What's happening in front of your eyes is pretty much the country is being stolen by this cabal, more or less.
Yeah, it is a cabal, and I think that the head of it is Obama.
But they believe what's called Klaus Pitten.
If you read their stuff, they're doing exactly what they're advocating.
They're trying to overload the system.
They're trying to make the country bankrupt, which I think they succeeded.
Every 90 days, we have a trillion dollars in new debt.
And it is outlined in their goals and they're succeeding in so many ways.
The Marxists continually use and have used immigration as a weapon to undermine the country.
In fact, honestly, it was a socialist out of Germany that sent people that supported Marx into Russia and helped overthrow 1917, the Russian czar.
Mm-hmm. It's pretty alarming.
You're watching the United States lose what we thought we could never lose.
So tell me more about how they came after you, the political persecutions.
Give me a timeline, you know, and I know it's a lot of information, but try to give me some highlights on when it started and all the way up to you getting out of jail most recently.
Well, like I said, it really, I went after him in the 90s, and Jim Leach And the Clintons were upset with my going after them for that.
And then when I came back, I picked up where I left off and started pursuing corruption.
And from that point on, you know, we were in a lot of torrents and they just pursued me, subpoenaed stuff.
And we went for four years and they spent 22 million bucks.
So it was pretty stressful.
I mean, I don't have the capacity in terms of bandwidth and money that Trump has, you know?
So if anybody ever filled my shoes, you would know the stress level for that many years is extremely high.
And, you know, they just did horrible things.
Intimidating witnesses, threatening witnesses, telling witnesses they're gonna go to prison for 40 years is a blatant lie.
People don't realize that it's legal for the FBI to lie to you.
It's not like, you know, it's a crime for them to lie to you.
They can do it. They went to court and they won the court case.
So, it's just a real stressful situation.
It just never lets up.
They're always, you know, coming after you.
You would burn through your funds.
It's just, you know, I'm not rich.
I mean, my house is like 1,400 square feet.
Yeah. Was there awareness, like, in terms of our other party members, support from other party members?
I mean, did people kind of come to your aid?
No, no, no, no.
Not Republicans. No, no, they run.
They run, run, run.
They don't want to be part of it.
You're a leopard. Wow.
And then, like my good friend Dana told me, he said, you better back off.
In fact, I think part of the reasons they went after me was to make a demonstration on me to kind of show all the Republicans, you do this and we're going to do this to you too.
Remember, keep in context, Schumer's the one that says we have six ways on Sunday to screw you.
The established I'm referencing the DOJ, you know, RS. And people forget, Lois Lerner, who really went after conservatives in a blatant way, is still involved to this day, I think. She's retired, supposedly.
But you can see her fingerprints and her handiwork on so many other stuff, including some of the Trump cases.
By the way, at the end of my case, I thought it was something really interesting, is one of the prosecutors said, hey, we can use this stuff against Trump.
No way I try yeah, I tried to warm about this and Yeah, that's true they follow me around the world I even was in Egypt one time and they had the CIA there.
Actually, the Egyptian told me that.
He told me what was going on.
And I told my lawyer, I said, hey, I think they're following me and doing all this stuff.
My lawyer goes, nah, you're not that important.
And then when they turned it over, everything I said was true.
Wow. They turned over some documents, so.
Wow, man. Tell me more.
Tell me more. What other dirty tricks were they playing?
There's a lot.
I'm actually going to a Lincoln Day dinner here in a little bit.
Tell me how you want to...
What is the most important thing to you I can say?
I mean, tell us some of the similarities in terms of tactics that they're currently using against Trump.
You know, the reason why this is such an interesting topic is one of the topics we cover a lot on our podcast is, you know, what happens in family courts and what's been going on for the last 30 something years.
And when I see what's happening with Trump, I'm like, okay, they're doing the exact same unlawful, unconstitutional stuff.
Including fabricating, you know, false evidence and that sort of thing.
So I see kind of like a lineage of corruption and we're hitting this kind of climax right now.
And I'd love to hear about how your case has a lot of those hallmarks in terms of tactics.
Obviously individuals, you got, you know, some of the same names going after you that are going after Trump.
So yeah, tell us a little bit more.
Yeah, then I gotta head out.
Then we can maybe do this another time, pick up if you want.
But one of the things that was really weird is every day I listen to what they're doing, and they open up Trump's case with basically smearing him.
It has nothing to do with the...
With the actual charges.
And they keep talking about stuff that's not even on the paper.
They did that to me.
They went on about, because I was the first one to introduce a cryptocurrency bill, and the first congressman to ever take cryptocurrency.
And so they're bringing up cryptocurrency.
And I said, well, it has nothing to do with F.E.C. law.
But they threw it in there because they knew the jury was like, oh, cryptocurrency, that's only used for, you know, that's the kind of mentality they had during my trial.
That's only used for drugs or whatever.
They throw in everything in the kitchen sink and then when you bring in somebody you want to testify that says, you know, invalidates that, says no he did this and this, the prosecution objection says no, no, that's just a character witness, we can't talk about that.
I thought you've been smearing my character through the whole thing, it had nothing to do with the case.
They're doing that with Trump.
They're trying to smear him.
But Trump, God bless him, man, he comes out.
Oh, by the way, I have a question.
I'm not sure if you can hear me.
I had a gag order. Trump was...
I think when you violate the gag order, which I love, they're not going to throw him in jail because if they do them, he'll win by a landslide.
You know, so he gets out there and violates.
But I had a gag order too.
I also had witnesses that were not allowed to testify.
It's just on and on and on.
It's duplicative in so many ways. In fact, it's actually I Actually get stressed out listening to it because it's bringing back flashbacks of what happened to me. Wow. Wow, man Well, you know, I know you have to go, Steve, but this is like really, really fascinating information.
Thank you for having the courage to speak out about all of this, especially after what they've done to you.
But I mean, if anything, you're a testament to like our thirst for freedom to escape any sort of elite slavery so strong that That even, you know, it's like that Nelson Mandela thing.
It's not like throwing him in jail stopped him from talking about what was his moral characteristics.
Yeah, well, remember, it was Herman Gehring who stated that only the way to control the mass is to make him fearful.
So, I think at the top of my...
My ex-account or Twitter account, whatever, it says the most dangerous thing is not to be fearful.
And one guy told me, he said, Steve, I don't think you have a frontal lobe, which is, you know, where the fear is.
So, if you become fearful, you become controllable.
Yeah, you don't want you want to be able to stand up this and I wish your listeners now, please This doesn't mean to be violent. This just means to get involved and Stop this stuff and fight it. Yeah On a granular level is shocking how much?
The DOJ is willing to go after the just the average citizen I talked to a sweet woman who just tried to start a non-profit that would stop these books from being put in kindergarten.
Which they call banned books.
The books aren't banned. It's like saying, oh, because alcohol is not served to kindergartners.
Alcohol is banned or something like that.
It's illogical. Anyhow, if your listeners are there, you guys need to stick together.
I would recommend getting together and Working to defeat what we have is really horrible.
Thank you for having me on.
And thank you for letting me have this opportunity to share with you.
And if there's anything you need in the future, let me know.
Yeah, yeah. We'd love to have you back on here, Steve.
And just a quick outro.
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