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April 20, 2024 - Blood Money
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How Wimkin Stood Up Against the Tech Giants and The Government w/ Jason Sheppard
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So, you know, quick little brief on Jason.
He runs a social media platform called Wimkin that is akin to like a Facebook meets YouTube combo and really focuses on not censoring people.
So I'm going to pass the mic to you, Jason.
Tell us a little bit about your background, Wimkin, and what you guys have been up to.
Yeah, thank you so much.
So Wimkin, actually, if you look at the logo behind me, It's a panic button for the world to sound.
I know people probably don't pick up on that, but once they hear it, they love it.
And actually, it's WMKN. It stands for World Must Know Now in honor of free speech.
So we got started, Vem.
Essentially, I worked in healthcare IT for a while.
And in September of 2019, which is a very important aspect and timeframe here for your viewers to My team was dedicated to setting up tests and protocols in our CRM for healthcare systems at hospitals and also primary care physicians offices.
So in September 2019, our leadership tasked us with developing new testing protocols for a certain test that we knew nothing about.
We didn't know what we were testing for.
And not only that, but it was a reporting protocol back to the hospitals, the hospital administration.
And then also reporting protocol to the county health departments.
So I think you know what I'm getting at here.
It's actually, we were testing for COVID. In September of 2019, we found out about this.
Who in America knew COVID existed in September of 2019?
Nobody. At least the public did not.
So once we started actually administering the tests around December and January, the way I do business, I give a business card to every single doctor.
You know, I was responsible for, I believe, Our team was 130,000 tests delivered to 2,300 primary care physicians in our network.
I think our team had 60 doctors.
So within that first week, again, I do business.
I give them a business card and say, don't call the 800 number.
Call me directly since I'm the one literally coming into your office here.
In that first week, I had nine doctors call me and state that we're not giving these tests.
They're coming back almost 100% positive because they're testing for any coronavirus.
You and I probably have at least one in our body right now, and if we took that same test, it would come back 100% positive.
I could not lend and extend the fear that people were seeing.
I wasn't going to help the media fear monger.
I wasn't going to have any part of that.
I went to our leadership team executives and stated that, hey, this is not going to happen.
I can't be a part of it. They wouldn't budge on it.
Obviously, it was a money-making deal for them.
There's no doubt about that. So I left, and that's when I started World Must Know, was a website where people would come to and they would read our articles.
We were telling people the truth about what we had.
We had about six writers with us, and we would have other people sort of contributed to these things, but we were getting up to 50,000 unique visitors a day, so these individuals wanted more.
They wanted to be able to comment. They wanted to be able to share their own stories.
So that's when we started thinking about developing World Must Know into World Must Know Now, which is Wimkin.
That's how it actually came about.
And the motivation really to come into this was when Facebook shut down the Save the Children hashtag to where they called it domestic terrorism.
And they just weren't allowing conservatives to talk about anything.
They weren't allowing any vaccination talk.
They weren't allowing any real COVID details to be put out there.
So that's what really got the motivation behind Wimkin becoming Wimkin.
And then when they started shutting down President Trump, that was it.
If they can censor him, they can censor anybody.
So that is how we became about, and that's, you know, most of my background in IT. Wow, wow.
So you had a lot of roadblocks along the way.
Could you tell us a little bit about some of the roadblocks you've had and the difficulties and challenges in them trying to stop you from having this free speech platform?
Yes, that's...
That's almost an understatement.
What we've gone through, it's been truly hell, to be quite honest with you here.
When we launched in September of 2020, we were being revered.
People were afraid of the fact that we were actually built like a Facebook.
We have live streaming, which I know this show is going to go on.
We have the ability to upload 100 gigabyte videos, whereas on every other free speech social media platform, you can really only upload 200 megabytes.
Which isn't going to get you too much, as you know, as a producer and a person that does their show.
We have voice and video calling that's unlimited.
We have groups, pages, marketplace.
So pretty much almost every feature you can think of on Facebook is on Wimkin.
And that's, I think, what really scared them.
So within the first four months of being in the app stores, we were unjustly blamed for the alleged insurrection.
We got banned by the app stores roughly in mid-January.
The reasoning behind that was they said that we were allowing objectionable content, what they called it, an organization against the government, inciting violence almost, which we did not do.
We absolutely did not do.
We just had people coming over and sharing their stories, and we had one person post something called the Million Militia March, which has nothing to do with inciting any violence or stopping the You know, inauguration, which is what they accused us of.
So we fought very hard for that.
And I know people had some issues with Parler, obviously.
We were banned three days after Parler was from the App Store, so it was a huge news story.
But what happened with Parler is just absolutely ridiculous in the fact that They didn't scrub their metadata from their videos and probably 75% of the people who actually got arrested and are sitting in prison are due to actually Parler.
But that's neither here nor there.
To be quite honest with you, you know, we want just to provide a very good, very safe place for individuals.
So we fought back to the app stores for eight months it took to actually win.
And Parler, you know, and like either way, how you feel about Dan Bongino, his whole spiel on Parler was Come join me on Parler because we fight big tech tyranny.
You didn't. You were in the App Store.
You went back on Apple seven days after you were banned.
That's not fighting. That's bending over and bowing down to them.
And that's something we would not do.
I mean, you're either in it to win it or you're not in it at all.
So after that, once we got back in the App Stores, two months later, after we were canceled by our DNS providers, server companies canceled us.
Our name was all over the media, obviously, in negative ways.
Capital One banned me personally from my personal accounts and our business accounts.
PayPal, which we never should have used anyways, they banned us.
It was nuts to where we were literally, cancel culture is very real.
So after we fought through that and got back on track, here comes the House Select Committee on January 6th trying to shut us down.
And the way Wimkin is set up, We are 100% private.
When you signed up, we didn't verify your email address, did we?
No. We don't do that. We didn't ask for a phone number.
We didn't ask for any type of information from you because we don't want to have it, plain and simple.
So the government came in, and these are actually on my personal website if you want to see what they actually ask for.
It's up under jcshepard.com, and you can actually go there and read the demand letters from the House Select Committee.
I put that all fully transparent.
And they asked for every piece of information on every single user on our platform.
I mean, the overreach was unbelievable.
So when you say we've had a rough road of it, there's that, obviously, the fact they kill our monetization by not allowing us to utilize big tech advertising.
And, you know, it's just the DDoS attacks that we get all the time, the cyber attacks against us, the You know, everybody is trying to hurt us because we are right there on the cusp of being the biggest free speech social media platform out there.
Wow, wow. So, like, they're sabotaging businesses.
I mean, with the Parler example you gave, I mean, that destroyed Parler's business.
But then they still handed all the private information.
You're talking about January 6th individuals is what they handed that private information.
Yeah, and it's very suspect to me.
I warned people about Parler for a while.
I mean, again, I don't want to talk negatively about platform, but if something smells bad to a person in tech that has built social media platforms from the ground up, I have to tell people, plain and simple, because people on Wimkin, we probably had about 100,000 people from, you know, that were utilizing Wimkin and Parler.
And, you know, Parler was asking for your ID just to send a message.
If you recall, Something called Parler citizenship.
So if you wanted to utilize basic services on Parler, you had to send your ID. Now, all that was housed with AWS because AWS ended up shutting them down.
Well, did you know John Matz, the founder of Parler, worked at AWS in a mid-level executive position for six years before founding Parler?
So there's a lot there that just does not add up.
And I told people, just be careful.
Don't think you're going to have this profile forever.
And then when they didn't scrub their metadata from all of their posts, it just so happens on January 6th that a hacker was able to get every single thing that these people posted in the Capitol, around the Capitol, even at their homes.
All that was given to the government because one hacker named Donk Enby, that's their Twitter handle, was able to scrape it all.
And certainly all that was provided to the government.
So Parler certainly had to cooperate.
Wow, wow. So, was this person that's the hacker, I mean, was this a government operative, or he was doing it independently, or is there no way for us to know?
Well, I believe it's actually a female, and no, I believe it's just someone who does this, I don't want to say even a You know, there's the black hats and white hats.
I think she goes by herself as a white hat hacker.
And you know anybody on the left, they thought that January 6th is crimes.
Legitimate crimes. That's what they think.
Even though I don't believe that.
So I think she goes, you know, by a white hat aspect and, you know, it's really not her fault.
It's the fact that, you know, the security of Parler was just absolutely ridiculous.
I can't in my mind think of a scenario that wasn't purposeful.
I think Parler was a honeypot.
I absolutely do.
Because how can you not scrub your metadata from your GPS posts?
I'm sorry, your live videos and your posts.
I mean, it literally has your coordinates down to, I mean, specifically inches on a map.
So anybody who was around the Capitol and in the Capitol that day, they got certainly a lot of attention on them that they never would have had to have.
Wow, wow. So honeypot, huh?
You really believe that that might be what they're doing?
I do. I do 100%.
There's no other way.
I mean, the ID factor, think about that.
They had everyone's address already.
Literally. Wow. They don't scrub the metadata from these things that just so happens on January 6th.
So, yeah, I mean, if someone can come up with a scenario other than them just being extremely stupid, I can't.
I think it's 100% a honeypot.
Wow. So where is Wimkin at right now?
What stage is it in?
Obviously, it's fully functional.
In terms of actually marketing this to freedom-loving people, to people that don't want to be censored, what stage is it at right now?
Well, we're in our third year now.
Unfortunately, like I said, in our first four months, we were gaining 5,000 to 10,000 members daily, sometimes even more than that.
And, you know, we would be probably right now, I'd say at least 30 to 50 million users.
Right now, we're at about 9 million.
We scrub bots off the platform.
And I don't want to mislead anybody.
When I say 9 million, we fluctuate between about 507,000 daily active, you know, 500 and 700,000 daily active.
And, you know, our apps have roughly about 6.2 million connected at all times.
Technically, we can say these things, but I never want to give people the wrong impression of, hey, when you come over here, you're going to get 10,000 likes on your post because we're a friend-based platform.
We do have an open source forum in terms of our platform voted on that.
I wanted friends only because when you post something, our feed, you've seen it, your post is gone in 10 seconds.
That's how fast our feed goes because everyone's posting, but everybody wants to have that open aspect.
You know, if we had friends only, people would get those amounts of likes and things.
But we are at, I'd say right now, the stage where, you know, we were completing our growth by big tech, 100% by them.
But we're climbing out of that now.
You know, when we were deplatformed, I mean, think about it.
You had to come to the website to utilize us.
You know, everybody who had Wimkin on their apps, I'm sorry, Wimkin apps on their phones, Apple, you couldn't connect anymore.
Google Play deplatformed us.
So, you know, that was pretty much dead for us.
You know, that number one in the App Store, every single day people see it, that was free marketing.
And they were not having that anymore.
That's why they banned us. But we're right now, I think by the end of this year, the way things are going, we'll be over 20 million users.
Oh, wow. Wow. So it's coming back.
Do you feel as though you guys are going to be able to gain lost ground in the near future?
Or how's that looking for you?
You know, Vem, I do because we are legitimately the only platform.
I know Gab has stood up.
Gab's doing some interesting things right now that we're charging people simply just to post a meme.
So I'm not really sure what's going on with that.
But when it comes down to it, we have the reputation that we stood up to the government.
We literally shut down the January 6th House Select Committee.
We fought big tech.
We didn't roll over to big tech, and we're still here.
So yeah, I think we are absolutely going to gain the ground that we lost, and it's happening on a daily basis.
We found each other at CPAC, which is fantastic because the synergy we have between our companies right now is great.
You're going to get an incredible amount of views that you never would have got before, and you don't have to pay for them.
You don't have to go to PayRumble and all these other platforms that Sometimes they charge up to $1,000 based on bandwidth.
I think we're going to be there.
I think we have the platform that it sets up as honestly as best out there for any free speech platform.
And again, we have the reputation and the proof that said we never laid down to the government.
That must be very costly for you.
In terms of trying to do this independently, most people that start these companies, when it comes to the money, they just fall over because they want that big money.
They want that big infrastructure that big tech has.
Often, their values go out the door, but then they become very rich.
By playing with, you know, some would say the devil, right?
How are you guys been able to avert that?
I mean, are you coming with a lot of independent money?
Is it a lot of, you know, creatives that are just incredible at what they do, dedicated people?
I mean, how were you able to put together something that has been able to ward off a lot of these assaults on your business?
Well, so I built it from the ground up.
We were banned from the app stores.
We had... An incredible investor who came in.
We're not talking incredibly large money here because we already had everything built.
We had the infrastructure, but we just needed to sustain the attacks.
We needed to sustain the legal bills that were coming in.
It's not easy to defend yourself against Congress, if you know what I mean, realistically.
We had individuals come and help sustain this.
We have subscriptions to where people can pay if they want to.
We do accept donations even though I don't like it.
And then we have a new CFO who came up with a great plan to issue shares into the platform now.
And we're actually in our Series A funding right now round.
It's going fantastic.
So we've been able to raise just a little bit of seed money.
Nothing much, you know what I mean?
But it's enough to keep us going and it's enough to turn that corner to where we can actually go out and even if we have to pay influencers now to come over here.
We've had a lot of people look at us, but when you can't pay them, you know, the seven figures they would like to have, I understand why they won't come.
I wish they would be, you know, true patriots and states us like, hey, We have to be exclusive somewhere else, but maybe we can work something out on the side to where we'll share some content with you.
We'll come and help you grow your platform because we believe in what you've done and we see that you stood up.
But we're there now.
We're there right now.
We're getting a ton of notice from some of the top conservatives.
There's an issue with Substack right now that's going to probably hit the fan here very shortly to where we're getting contacted by some very large influencers in Substack.
Where Stripe is making them turn over some tax documents and all their, you know, their past payments and who else is paying them, which, you know, Substack is there and a lot of conservatives went there because they're hunted people.
They have been shut down on other social media.
They've been fired from their jobs.
So this is their livelihood.
So we're getting a lot of attention on the fact that first and foremost, they can come over, they can blog, they can write.
Not only can they write, but they can do their own shows here.
They can upload any videos that they want to, you know, pretty much 100 gigabytes will get you three hours.
You know what I mean? Realistically.
So, you know, it's something that I think is going to really also help us get to that next level.
And I expect a huge influx of users from there.
Wow. Wow. So let me ask you in terms of the software building, you're saying that, I mean, you personally helped to build the software to this?
It personally helped. Is that your specialty in terms of programming and stuff, or did you hire people to do it?
It is. We have a team of coders.
Now, we did purchase some plugins which actually don't work, so we had to rewrite them.
When you purchase some off-site code, you can manipulate it to where it actually works for you.
Most of that was just database tables to see how we could get it to run the best because I can't even explain to you how our database has worked.
Right now, we have to be near infinite database tables in terms of, we're talking billions about billions, because just so many people posting.
But that's the main thing, is anybody can code a platform like this, but it's getting it to work correctly.
The bottlenecks in the database, the ability to have, we have over, I believe it's 16 web nodes right now, Just to handle and disperse the traffic that comes in.
And we have three cluster databases to where you get bogged down if you don't do things like this.
And then it's constantly being in a position where you have to be able to scale on the fly.
In the beginning, it was very tough for people and it was very tough for us because we had some internal sabotage that was going on.
We also had the first presidential debate, the first and only, You know, between Trump and Biden, that was our first DDoS attack.
And it was, in my opinion, government level.
It was so sophisticated to where, you know, we could barely fight it off.
We had three different firewalls at that point in time that were getting crushed.
So, you know, those are the things you really have to watch.
Again, anybody can code something, you know, features, plugins, even with WordPress and things of that nature.
But when it comes down to actually being able to run it and sustain it and secure it, That's where the expertise comes into play.
Wow, wow. So what do you think is coming down the pipeline in terms of more action by, I guess, corrupt parts of government to try to stop you guys?
Are those days over?
Do you see a smoother road ahead?
Or what's your prognosis on what's to come?
Well, I do, with the Restrict Act, I mean, pretty much they're stating this is for foreign entities only that they deem enemies of the United States.
We are not enemies of the United States.
We do have contingency plans if that designation ever does come our way.
But I think that we're relatively safe.
I mean, in this day and age right now, if the Biden administration was to come in and shut down a platform like Wimkin, when we have nothing to do other than loving our country and protecting people's constitutional rights, if they call us a foreign enemy, I think that would be disastrous for them.
The fact that we stood up against the app stores and we're back in there, I can't see anybody really trying to shut us down at this point in time because we're a very clean platform.
We don't allow pornography. We don't allow nudity.
We don't allow people to commit crimes on our platform.
And I think that's the way social media should be, plain and simple.
Now, we do have, like I said, the Restrict Act, which again is, to me, national security threats and foreign entities.
But you're also starting to see Minors, like the DeSantis action that's going on right now, I think it's HB3 is the title, down in Florida, to where they're banning social media across the board for anybody under 14.
They need a parental waiver for anybody 14 and 15.
We wrote a TikTok alternative named Reelster that we have to rewrite now because we had algorithms and we had age groups and parental controls in there based on what their parents set for them.
They were 3 to 8, 9 to 12, and 13 to 17, 18 plus, of course.
So now that's all out of the loop, obviously, because we have to rewrite it just for Florida alone.
But I think if this does state, I don't know if it's going to survive the Supreme Court, which they're going to get to.
The First Amendment challenges you're going to see by net choice, meta.
We might even foul a friend of the court brief, to be honest with you, in these cases, because we're concerned it's a small business because these things are coming out now.
If miners, and they're very smart, there's some 12 year olds that probably code better than me and know infrastructure better than I do, that could figure out a way to go to these platforms and state that they're 18 but they're not, and then come out and go tell Florida or whatever state that's going to be following these rules that, hey, I'm not 18, I'm sorry, I'm not 16, I have no waiver, I'm under 14.
And you have to pay me $10,000 now.
Because the way this bill is written, you can get fined up to $50,000 to the state of Florida, and then you would also have to pay a stipend to each individual you don't verify.
That is at least 14 with the waiver, and then also 16 and above.
And that's a $10,000 stipend to them.
So, you know, companies like us, If that happens 10 to 20 times, we're not going to be able to sustain that.
So it's a bit scary.
But luckily, Wimkin doesn't really have any minors because it's all really political at this point in time.
But it's something that concerns us.
There's no doubt about that. But as far as J6 is over, so I don't see anything out there, barring more election fraud on November 5th upcoming.
I don't see much, and if it does happen, if there is anything that happens, it's going to be right now in the run-up to there, to November.
Wow, wow. You know, the whole TikTok issue has been something that we've talked about on the Blood Money podcast, actually, because there was multiple cases of American children causing themselves harm, like cutting things that they learned on TikTok.
And I've heard about multiple lawsuits.
I've actually heard TikTok has lost a lot of lawsuits because of minors causing themselves harm.
And it just, it's...
I guess questionable where you have this Chinese CCP company that is advertising or allowing information on how American children could harm themselves and then they are actually harming themselves and then lawsuits are being filed against TikTok.
Do you have any comments on that topic?
Yeah, I mean, again, TikTok to me is a national security threat.
I'm not for banning anything outright, but I do believe that the algorithm should be brought over into the United States.
Now, I know there's some conflicting opinions on that, but this is a CCP-engineered app.
100% that is known.
And, you know, it's just something I don't see that people should be banned from, but what they need to do is they need to rewrite this.
Because, you know, you have little Johnny that's 10 years old getting...
You know, the buxom blondes jumping up and down in their, you know, scantily clad outfits.
You have, you know, little Sally out there, 11 years old, watching people lick toilet bowls and, you know, eat cereal out of toilet bowls and laying down in traffic, you know, literally getting hurt.
And then that's, you know, you know, this is, you brought it up 100%, the suicides, the self-harm, the bullying that goes on on these social media platforms is certainly something they have to look at.
China is all about advancing their culture.
They don't even allow this version of TikTok in their country.
They only allow their version for education and to pretty much advance their culture.
I made a comment on Stacey Washington's show about two weeks ago that I think went over really well.
Something to the tune of they are Jerry Springering our youth.
That's basically what they are doing.
It's something that...
It's clear as day what's happening.
I'm for education.
Instead of all the drag queen story hours and all these things, I would never want that for God's sakes, but the critical race theory and things that they're teaching, all these things that don't need taught.
Teach social media safety, teach etiquette, teach awareness of how social media can harm you, how you can make a mistake on it that can haunt you for the rest of your life, that can keep you from getting jobs.
You know, that's what they need to teach in school, 100%.
They have to have something like that that says, hey, this is real.
It's never going to go away.
And it's something that we should be teaching, just like in a health class or something that says, this is how you can help your future rather than hurt it by utilizing social media that you know they're going to use all the time.
So, you know, I'm for changing a lot about TikTok.
I think that Snapchat should certainly be banned for anybody under 16.
I think Snapchat is a predatory haven.
And I don't like to see that app on anybody's phone, let alone minors.
There's not many minors on Facebook, let's be honest.
They don't utilize it. They don't think it's cool enough.
It's like our Myspace.
You know what I mean? So they found other avenues to go to.
But there's small apps out there too that are sort of hidden from everybody that people use.
I agree with some of what we're seeing.
I certainly agree with some of the Restrict Act.
I agree with some of the DeSantis bill.
I think it all comes down to parents being parents and you have to educate.
There's another topic that I'd love to throw at you, and I think this would be my last major topic.
Before, when they wanted somebody to infiltrate our society, they would pay essentially spies, double agents, whatever you call them.
They would give money to basically do treasonous things against our country, right?
There was a little bit of a battle I got into with a radio host in Nevada.
His name is Brian Shapiro, and he is as leftist as it gets.
This guy had no social media traction on anything but TikTok, right?
And he would essentially brag, oh my god, every time I post something on TikTok, I get 300-something thousand views, blah blah blah, right?
So I started questioning him, I'm like, hey, what about your other social media accounts?
You know, nah, TikTok's my main thing, blah, blah, blah, right?
And so I started looking at his postings on TikTok.
Seems to be most of his postings are that anti-vaxxers are idiots and really pressuring the public to get vaccinated.
And then you add the financial component, right?
Because when you're getting a lot of views, when your algorithm is being pushed, you're making money off of social media, right?
So I start to basically tell him, dude, you're a tool for treason.
So you're putting out the false information that's harmful to Americans, right?
And people are getting vaccinated based upon this pressure.
We're finding out that these vaccines aren't what they told us, that it could actually cause you severe harm, death, myocarditis.
And then you're getting financially rewarded by a government that is trying to harm our government because opposition in the styles of government, they're communists, we're supposed to be freedom and, you know...
Freedom capitalism.
And so all the elements are there in place where you are getting handed money to cause your harm to your country, cause your fellow country people harm, and then to go around social media bragging about how you get so many views.
All the pieces were there. I mean, what do you think about how I just dissected what's going on there and how certain characters within the United States of America are literally being paid for the treason that they commit?
Yeah, you know what, and that's something I brought up to other individuals because sometimes you have dissenting opinions when you do interviews with radio hosts, certainly on network.
A lot of them certainly...
I like to hear a dissenting opinion.
I said the same thing.
I don't think you guys realize how this works.
300,000 views on TikTok is going to pay you a lot.
It really is. Let's say we wanted to get something out there in China, just reverse the rules.
You could go to actors, you can go to actresses.
I think we see this in Hollywood anyways, to where these individuals are compromised by right now our government or whatever elitists are out there.
To get messages out there to hurt our culture.
So yes, 100% I'm with you on that.
I believe that some of the largest influencers right now are probably paid by China, 100%.
And getting the free perks and things that they're getting from TikTok and the biggest brands that advertise on TikTok, I think it extends to them as well.
So yeah, Vem, you hit that 100% on the head and that's something that I think a lot more people need to think about because When these are the influencers they follow, Clear as day.
There's a reason why this is happening.
Jason, just one last question here.
Like, this sounds like a tremendously difficult journey.
And I know I asked you another version of this question.
I mean, how do you get through this kind of eye of the needle situation when you're getting barraged?
They're trying to destroy you, but you are still around.
And we're talking now about turning the corner and really getting what is due to Wimkin after a lot of destructive measures have been put in place against you.
How we get here and how we got here is our users, plain and simple.
We actually took a platform vote because of our sustainability, first and foremost, because of the fact that through all this, we still made money and just survived, let's be honest here.
We had a lot of people interested in taking us public.
I did not want to get into dark money.
I did not want to get into the Black Rocks and things that are going to have their hands in everything, the Rockefellers, Jane Street Capitals.
You're seeing all of this with other free speech platforms right now that do go public.
So this is where our shares program came in.
Our users stepped up, became shareholders, and kept us private.
And I plan on staying private unless somebody like Trump comes down the line and says, hey, we want to bring ourselves over to your platform because you have everything we need.
That would be the only scenario I believe that I would ever sell out to or Somebody that you know that's going to keep the integrity of this platform and, you know, truly keep what we have built intact.
I'm curious, what's your background?
Are you a believer and do you have religious beliefs?
I mean, what's your general kind of faith?
I grew up Catholic and, you know, essentially still follow that faith, but, you know, but just essentially just a Christian at this point in time.
So, you know, faith has played a huge part in this.
I mean, Vem, I couldn't have sustained this without God.
There's no doubt in my mind.
I mean, this has been emotionally torture for me, you know, financially crippling.
It's ruined relationships, you know, plain and simple.
So it's a major sacrifice.
And without having God, I really think that this is my calling at this point in time.
And if I didn't have that faith, I would have given up by now.
Wow. Good for you, man.
Good for you. One last minor question.
Now, what would you tell to the viewers in terms of...
There's a lot of social media platforms.
We are heavily on Rumble.
We're back on X as the America Happens Network.
We're also on Getter, Kick, Odyssey, Bitchu, blah, blah, blah, right?
We've been told that, you know, Rumble might be a safe place, although I have my doubts.
What could you say in terms of the social media landscape, the companies that currently exist?
What are the safe ones that would be kind of brother-sister brands to you guys where you could say, okay, you know what?
I don't see a lot of corruption in their near or distant future.
I mean, what could you tell us about the social media landscape in general?
Well, Rumble to me, again, I love what they stand for, supposedly stand for.
But, you know, if you go and look at their largest institutional shareholders, you're going to be surprised.
I think they're compromised.
That's why their stock went from, I think, $16 all the way down to three.
Now it's back up to maybe seven.
But, you know, they're going to manipulate that.
So I'm very concerned about them.
To be honest with you, I don't know of anybody who's fought as hard as us to be where we are.
And I'm consumed by probably 16 to 18 hour days, especially when I started this, probably over 20 hour days.
I didn't really have time to test any other platforms out.
I don't hear good things about any other.
I really can't spin it any other way.
A true social, I think, is going to be fine.
I'll say that for sure.
But I don't know about the Odysseys.
I don't know really what's out there.
I know Locals is something that people are promoting right now because Rumble's paying them to do that.
But I don't know anything about it, to be honest with you, Ben, so I'm sorry there.
I just keep plugging along with ours and continue to try to make it as close as to the most successful platform ever, which is Facebook, and giving people the freedom of speech that goes with that.
Amazing, amazing. Is there any last words, anything you want to plug, websites, whatever, before we close this off?
Just if people want to check us out, you know, Please download Wimkin in the app stores, or if you don't like apps, you can go to Wimkin.com and utilize our web version there.
It's pretty much full-featured.
And then we do have a new launch coming out.
It's an app called Doter, as in one that dotes, and it's dateontheright.com.
We are the only dating app out there that's geared towards conservatives.
Two genders only, as God intended.
No crazy pronouns, no...
I don't even know how many genders people think there are now, but there's only two.
We also have features that even Tinder and Bumble don't have, like video chat to keep you safe, and mandatory verification so you can never get captives, along with the video chat.
If you don't think somebody is who they say they are, you can get them on video and state, hey, verify yourself to me.
Something that I'm really excited about, because there's nothing else out there, There's one called Date Right Stuff, but you can't even get on it.
And Peter Thiel financed that one.
Our software blows them away.
It's even more advanced than, like I said, Tinder and Bumble and Hinge.
And we're really excited to launch that here in April.
Thank you so much, Jason, for coming on to the Blood Money Podcast.
We're really excited about being on Wimkin.
And just a few days ago, we did our first live on Wimkin.
And from now on, all of our shows are going to go on Wimkin.
And we look forward to building a community Thank you so much for putting up with all these ridiculous fights, this tyranny, and we know how hard it is.
We know how hard it is because we've been censored like crazy.
We've been kicked off of every social media platform.
YouTube multiple times, by the way.
YouTube just loves giving us strikes and removing our accounts.
So thank you so much for the incredible work you're doing.
For the viewers out there, make sure you check out Wimkin.
Definitely check out Wimkin. Get on there ASAP. And we're going to be on there.
And also, go to AmericaHappens.com because as you guys know, we're on Rumble.
Most of our videos are posted on Rumble first and foremost.
But you never know what's going to happen.
Just like Jason's saying. So make sure you go to AmericaHappens.com.
Insert your email address.
So regardless of what happens, we have your contact info.
And then we will let you know about all of our shows and keep you in the loop on what we're doing at AmericaHappens.com.
Thank you so much for joining us for this episode of Blood Money.
And I will see you on the next episode.
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