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Has the (Las Vegas) Church been Stolen By Dominion w/ Pastor Andy Thompson

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	Today I have a very special guest, Pastor Andy Thompson.
	How are you doing, sir? Doing very well, man.
	Good to see you.
	So, a quick little introduction, and Andy, Pastor Andy, I'll let you add to this, but Pastor Andy is a pastor in Nevada who's made quite a name for himself because not only is he a well-known and respected pastor, but he's been involved in essentially the election that's coming up and helping to fortify that election.
	I mean, I'll let you describe Pastor Andy, but...
	The way Pastor Andy and I met was at some events in his church.
	And now we are, I guess, speaking about what is happening with the upcoming 2024 election.
	Correct, Pastor Andy? That's right.
	That's right. Awesome. Awesome.
	If you want to give a little bit of background on yourself and lead us into what you've been working on recently.
	Yeah, I am a former desired piano teacher, music teacher.
	I went to UNLV to study music and about halfway through my junior year, God made some big changes in my life and ultimately got called to the ministry.
	And I got ordained in 2006 and I have been ministering ever since then.
	And so, in my love for the Lord, my love for my neighbor, my love for my country, beginning in 2020, really began to just outright see the visible, incredible attack upon our republic.
	We sensed it from Trump's presidency, the unjustifiable attacks, the lawfare, the false accusations, these kinds of things.
	An attack on him and trying to undo his presidency by such deceitful means was, by me, considered a direct attack on the citizenry, on our republic.
	We vote in our power.
	Have, even really since 2020 and the plandemic that took place, just seeing the degree in which evil is perpetrated to control the outcome of elections, I've been very, very concerned, very, very heightened in my awareness to try to understand what's going on and why, and to know then what I can do To help fix it.
	I pray daily for wisdom so that I can understand the times that we're in and also know what to do.
	So my heart's desire is ultimately to shine a light upon the work of wickedness and to encourage people that when they see that light upon that wicked work that they would hate it.
	Right now, we need more light on the work of the wicked, and we need more people to hate the work of the wicked.
	And so that's, in a little bit of a summary, kind of where my goal is at here for the upcoming 2024.
	Wow, wow. So the thing that, for the viewers out there, the thing that was actually really appealing in terms of Pastor Andy's approach is that, you know, often I hear that priests, pastors don't want to get involved in politics.
	And I don't know, my reading of the Bible, and Pastor Andy, you tell me if I'm crazy here, is that Jesus Christ was a political figure in many ways, because his rebellion was also against the empire of the time, the Roman Empire.
	Correct or incorrect? That's correct.
	And even John the Baptist counseled soldiers and tax collectors.
	The wisdom of God not only provides for the quote-unquote direct spiritual activity of people, our worship, our religion, our gatherings in church, so to speak, if we may confine it so, But it also has a direct effect in how we live publicly.
	The sum of the Bible is put in two categories.
	Love God, and that means you do things that honor Him.
	And then love your neighbor.
	And that means do and say what's in someone else's best interest.
	The Ten Commandments are broken up that way.
	The first four deal with how to love God.
	The last six of the Ten Commandments deal with how to love your neighbor.
	And so it breaches into political boundaries automatically.
	If God's commandment, if Christ's commandment is to love our neighbor, Then we must do actively, and say actively to that which is in their best interest.
	So no political barriers are so painted in Scripture.
	Now no doubt the pulpit is reserved for God.
	That's God's pulpit. His Spirit is to be in control of that, and His Word is to be preached.
	But here's the thing.
	When you read Scripture, it deals with what?
	It deals with politics.
	I have no fear of the Bible, I have no fear of what the Bible says, though I agree that certain things need to be said with pact and with care and with love, yet sometimes the love really stings and really hurts.
	Jesus Christ loved like no one else did, cared like no one else did, and for that he was fundamentally hated.
	Even Pilate knew that for envy the Jews had delivered him to be crucified.
	So, I'm unafraid of the truth.
	I love the truth.
	I trust the effects of truth.
	And therefore, the simplicity of what Christianity is supposed to be means that we should not be averse to politics.
	Moreover, the nature of what a pastor is supposed to be, he's supposed to be a watchman.
	David was a shepherd and he took care of that lion and he took care of that bear, he took care of that giant.
	There is to be a nature in a pastor to protect the sheep.
	And so if a pastor is pastoring correctly, he's feeding the flock, protecting the flock, but not fleecing them.
	I do think that there is a great degree of ministers, pastors in this country that effectively fleece the flock, because they withhold from them things that they would need to hear, but ultimately things that might disrupt, things that might disturb, things that might shape.
	And I think that there is a prevailing fear of upsetting people.
	Everybody wants to be light, and when you throw out the truth sometimes, even when you do it in a very loving way, it causes people to be upset.
	And so, there is a spirit of fear, I would say, in many pulpits.
	Not only afraid of people's reactions, but also afraid of the IRS. And so, I believe beyond any shot of a doubt, my rights come from God.
	And my First Amendment rights and a church's First Amendment rights do not end when the pastor gets in the pulpit and the people sit in the pews.
	There's no such created separation there.
	And so it is a figment of the national mind of ignorance and fear.
	That has created this great division to fantasize separation of church and state, which doesn't exist but in one document of one of the founding fathers, but exists in none of our founding documents.
	And so we have perverted the national understanding of what the pulpit is for.
	And not that I'm necessarily trying to undo things.
	I think it's a much more simple principle.
	If I'm to be Christian and I'm to be a faithful pastor and minister, which means a servant, then I've got to give the truth.
	I've got to tell the truth.
	I've got to walk the truth.
	And so that fundamentally means feathers are going to get ruffled and dust is going to be picked up.
	I can't help that, but I trust God with the consequences of the truth, but my job is to deliver the truth in love, for I'm commanded to have a faith which operates out of love.
	Kind of where I'm at, I fundamentally take the position that the church is not a 501c3.
	The church pre-exists the tax code, my goodness.
	And the church was a recognized benefit to a nation long before the tax code, but not because of 501c3 status, Was the church granted the tax-free status before our tax collectors?
	And I'm not against tax collectors.
	They're a biblical thing. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.
	But the church being recognized to reduce the public expenditures on incarcerations and rehabilitations and enforcements of laws and these different kinds of things.
	When churches actually do their job, The people within the church become salt and light to the nation, a good influence overall, keeping back corruption and helping things taste better, and pointing people down right paths.
	Yeah. I got a quick question, Pastor Andy, by the way.
	Is your mic getting covered by something?
	Where is the audio source?
	The audio source is on my laptop.
	Is it too weak? It goes in and out, it gets muffled, and then it comes back.
	I don't know what that is. Let me just draw my laptop closer to me.
	Is that possibly better?
	Yeah, yeah, much better. Okay, okay.
	All right, so I have, you know, you brought up something.
	I was actually planning on asking you another question next, but you brought up something, which is this idea of the 501, right?
	Yeah. When you start a church in the United States, and by the way, there's an answer here that I want to share with you that I'm not sure if you're aware of, but when you start a church in the United States, what are the steps as far as you're aware that you have to take in order to start a church?
	So there is a, so to speak, registration with state federal government that you're a non-profit.
	That's just kind of the language in which today the church operates and interacts with governmental bodies.
	And so there would be an establishment of founding documents Of those who are ultimately leading the church, purpose and organization, like a mission statement type thing, there's founding documents, and then those things would be submitted to state and federal agencies.
	For letting you know that the entity is there.
	But as far as you know, you have to apply for a 501 or 508?
	You do not.
	So I've been told directly from the IRS that a church is automatically...
	Put in the category of 501c3.
	You don't have to register as a 501c3, but in terms for how the government is going to interact with that entity, they consider it 501c3.
	So we went through this when we were getting insurance policies for men's retreats up in Big Bear, California.
	And so the insurance was saying, okay, we want to give you a million dollar policy to cover that.
	What's your tax number?
	This and that. And so we kind of went down a whole process of kind of re-figuring out exactly where we stood with the IRS and ultimately to get our tax deductible numbers.
	We hand out our tax letters every year.
	All that kind of stuff interacts on certain identification numbers.
	But they said directly to me, you are automatically put in the category of a 501c3.
	You don't have to register as a 501c3.
	Yeah, yeah, because there's an interesting thing.
	I mean, we're taking a little bit of a sidetrack here from the conversation I wanted to have, but this is important for people to know, and no better place to talk about this than with a pastor.
	So when we're doing some research, you know, what always struck me as a little bit weird, and I'm going to kind of do a little bit of a demonstration here, is that you have your citizen right here, and then you have government right there, right?
	And when you're applying to do, you know, what you said actually is very enlightening.
	You don't have to apply for a 501 or 508, but a lot of people think that they do, right?
	So you're applying to government to basically start your church if you're doing a 501 or 508.
	And what you're doing is basically you're sealing this government.
	So like when something like COVID comes around and the government doesn't want you to talk about how bad these vaccines are, they say, hey, we're going to take your nonprofit status away.
	And therefore, that becomes your boss becomes government, which to me, I'm not a biblical scholar, but that seems as though it's an inversion of God's word.
	Because government should not be your ceiling, and if it's an inversion of God's word, now we're getting into, like, Satanism, basically.
	We're getting, or Luciferianism, or whatever, because an inversion of God's word is, by definition, you're basically following an antichrist.
	Right, it's the perversion of the truth.
	Yeah, so no doubt there has to be a wisdom that's applied there, and I would agree with you that there are many churches that do operate under the authority of government.
	Now, a church is to operate and coordinate with government, that's what we're told to do, but we read in the book of Acts, when that government tries to direct the church, what's the church supposed to say?
	We obey God rather than man.
	And so Christians always have permission to disobey authority when that authority contradicts God.
	And so that's how we balance and temper, or how we should balance and temper that interaction.
	The scripture at one point tells us, obey magistrates.
	And then they have to rule over you.
	Obey the ordinances. Okay, we want to honor government.
	We want to respect the chain of command.
	You respect the chain of command.
	Things generally go well.
	But if the church has, in a sense, from Revelation chapter 2, if the church has lost and left their first love, then they're going to start showing a devotion To something inferior.
	And when churches show devotion to government greater than devotion to the Lord Jesus Christ, they get themselves in trouble.
	And that's that fear, that spirit of fear, that spirit of ignorance that is plaguing the American church right now.
	You know, one of the reasons I brought this up is because we became familiar with a process here that's actually a biblical process whereby via affidavit you could actually start a church, right?
	And via affidavit, and it's actually written in the Bible like this, where you get two witnesses to witness before God.
	In terms of practicality, you're introducing a notary When you're doing this, so it's basically three witnesses, but the notary gives you that stamp of, hey, these two witnesses came forward, this is official, and these folks here started church, right? So when we were trying to figure out what structure America Happens should have, we said, why don't we start the Church of America Happens, right?
	And the logic there being everything we're doing stems from biblical teachings.
	I mean we're trying to guide people towards the light, give them information, give them truth, and therefore we went through this process and believe it or not it works.
	It was two witnesses with a notary, three witnesses, Creating an affidavit and then going to a bank and saying, look, we're not doing this through EIN or Social Security because that would make our ceiling.
	So essentially the way it is, right?
	Citizen, government.
	If you're applying 501-50C, your ceiling is government.
	It's very hard to break through that, right?
	But this is more like you say, you know what?
	I'm going to get on top of government and I'm applying to the Lord.
	And what you are really now entering is something called trust law.
	Which is you're applying to God, or some people call it a PMA, Private Membership Association.
	But essentially, you're cutting government completely out of it.
	There's no EIN. There's no social security.
	You could still get a bank account.
	You could still establish your church.
	And for me, as a layman, it seems like that's more of a not-corrupted process.
	That's more of a biblical process.
	I mean, this is literally... Written out in the Bible, I believe from the mouth of Jesus Christ.
	And so you have, now you have something that's not corruptible because, you know, when COVID happens, the government can't come to you and say, hey, we're going to take away your nonprofit because they actually have no jurisdiction over that once you do it that way.
	Yeah, it's kind of diving into the sense of an oath, which is something that we have in our nation, and an oath in itself is above the Constitution.
	We take an oath on the Word of God to do what?
	To uphold the Constitution, and those oaths are empowered by what?
	A personal willingness to obey God.
	Oaths mean nothing if a person does not believe in God's authority.
	So, in a sense, that person's vouchsafing for their purpose and their plan and Showing that they are under obligation to God as the highest authority.
	That, in a sense, begins to take on the color of the vow and of the oath kind of a thing.
	But it is very interesting, you know, if there's a practicable way to rise above certain strings and red tape, so to speak.
	But yeah, for me, however, it just hasn't been an issue.
	Like when the COVID happened back in March of 2020, I went down to the local police department here and I walked into the lobby and I said I wanted to talk to someone about the restrictions and all these kinds of things.
	And ultimately, I got one police officer to raise his hand and say that he would defend my constitutional rights.
	They said, if reported, they would come and cite me, and if reported again, they would come and close down the building.
	And after that point, I asserted my constitutional rights.
	They had no right to do that, and so I began to ask, who in the room is willing to defend my constitutional rights?
	Because I will say this way, in a derogatory, the sheep just kept saying, well, we do what we're told to do.
	And I kept saying, well, the Constitution tells your boss what to do.
	And don't you know the Constitution?
	Haven't you sworn to defend the Constitution?
	Not one police officer in the whole lobby to raise his hand and say he would defend my constitutional rights.
	So I think all together, on either side of that how you found a church issue, if the principle in the people that are there, especially the pastor, is that God is authority above all, that is a protection.
	And then the righteous will be bold as a lion and be willing to face whatever wrath government gives.
	But then if there is a way to work around unnecessary wrath, that's a very interesting concept there, using that after David method.
	Yeah, and it works. That's the crazy thing.
	It actually works.
	We open up the Church of America Happens.
	Believe it or not, I'm designated as a pastor.
	I'm nowhere close to you, sir.
	I mean, I'm an individual, but like, you know, when you have something like the Church of Scientology and pastors within there, I mean, the idea of church has already been very much stretched, right?
	But the way we look at it is that really every host at America Happens is very much preached.
	We're not preaching or at least pushing the righteous word.
	And so, again, everything's relative, right?
	Everything's relative. I used to think before COVID that, you know what?
	These pastors are just inherently much more righteous than me, right?
	But then I found out...
	I found out in practice that, you know what, man, with me and my foul mouth, I curse a lot.
	I think cursing is the worst stuff I do.
	I don't commit crimes and stuff, but even with that, I felt, you know what, I'm much more righteous than 98% of these cowards that are unwilling to even talk about them.
	When you have something that is causing harm to people, they weren't even willing to bring it up.
	So in a ratio, all of a sudden you find your place as far as, you know, how you're serving God.
	Because I actually think a lot of these pastors, unlike you, Pastor Andy, never, you know, I don't know.
	I don't know. When they're pushing something that causes harm to people and keeping silent when evil's at your doorstep, how Christian is that really?
	Yeah, you know, what it ultimately comes down to is the state of ignorance in that person.
	So, nobody's perfect.
	We've all sinned, come short of the glory of God.
	All of us are sinners, and we sin every day.
	But there are certain mercies from God toward those who sin in ignorance.
	Jesus on the cross said, Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.
	The Apostle Paul said he obtained mercy because he did it ignorantly and unbelief.
	In the Old Testament, in Numbers chapter, I believe, 15 might be off on that.
	The sins of ignorance versus the sins of presumption.
	You know, when someone is presumptuously sinning, they know.
	They know, they know, and they do it anyway.
	And those who sin in ignorance, there's great mercy afforded them.
	So I think there is a degree of ignorance that then lends itself to transgression.
	But then there is an afforded mercy toward those persons that are sinning in ignorance.
	When, however, the presumption quality is there, they fully well know, they are fully informed, they know the score, they understand the matter, and they go in that direction of the transgression, then God says He deals swiftly and strongly with that.
	It's called, in legal terms, it's called willful ignorance of justice.
	It's when you purposefully remain ignorant, and that's why providing notice is so important, right?
	You walk up and you give them a piece of paper, you say, here's your notice, look at all the bad stuff this COVID thing does.
	Now you've been notified. So from this point on, you can't claim ignorance, because now it's willful ignorance.
	We call it stupid on purpose.
	Stupid on purpose, yeah. It doesn't fly.
	But then on that last point there, real quick, you know, ultimately, God's the ruler, so he makes the rules and makes the definitions for words, and though there's a relativity in the truth of what a church is in the eyes of government to the citizens they relate to, yet we just need to be able to make sure that we divide between what God is saying a church is and then what man is saying a church is, that we never cross that barrier, because You know, you could call yourself a pastor, but would God call you a pastor?
	That kind of a thing. Just making sure that we are wise to separate the use of those words in its proper context.
	Totally. If you want me to get you a caller, I'll get you a caller.
	Just kidding, man.
	I don't know, man.
	I don't know. Again, it's all relative.
	I hate to say COVID showed me that, hey, you know what?
	I might be in that top percentile of people that actually have the courage to stand up for what is God's word, even though I have a foul mouth, even though...
	You know, I haven't, you know, lived the most Christian life.
	I'm certainly attempting a lot more than some of these pastors were during, you know, COVID. So again, it's all relative.
	But let's talk a little bit about, before we dive into our big topic, right?
	We recently added a channel on our network that essentially has a huge leftist audience.
	And this question is for you.
	I think we're good to go.
	Then 20 years ago when we started the America Happens brand, George W. Bush was in power and definitely I was very much against what George W. Bush was doing and was highly critical.
	And so those bounds don't necessarily exist because it just happens to be that the warmongers of those days were the Bush administration and his cohorts.
	And now it seems to be the Democrats have fallen in love with war, chaos and stuff.
	You're obviously supportive of Trump.
	How do you like with this whole, you know, some of the stuff he's done in his past with, you know, potential porn star and some of the promiscuous stuff, some of the financial stuff.
	What is your thoughts on that particular topic in terms of Donald Trump?
	Yeah. I count every person, in a sense, better than myself.
	That's the scriptural precept that's to govern me.
	Let every man esteem each other better than themselves.
	What that does is it puts a form of temperance and balancing upon my reaction to seeing other people's sins and transgressions.
	So we all fall short of the glory of God.
	I may fall short in an area where he doesn't.
	He may fall short in an area where I don't.
	So when we compare man to man, we've got to be very, very careful when reacting to other person's transgressions.
	So we take them on a whole as in comparison to God.
	So God actually gets to define sin, so we keep Him in the focus.
	So that means from God, we all have to have tons of mercy every single day in order to stay alive.
	His mercies are new every morning.
	Great is His faithfulness in that.
	So, with Donald Trump, you look for certain signs of morality which indicate a strength.
	Immorality would indicate a weakness.
	Someone who's blackmailable.
	Let's take it to that extreme.
	One of our Chinese honeypot issues in Washington, D.C. So when you look at a man that's got some skeletons in the closet, you gotta look at them.
	But I take his word.
	So when he says he likes to grab them in a certain way, well that's out of his own mouth.
	The Stormy Daniels issue, my current point of view is that Cohen concocted that whole thing by himself.
	I'm not sure of all the details as to why, but I would take the stand that Trump is rightly ignorant of all of that process that took place nine years back.
	But nonetheless, you have vices with any man.
	And so I say we are not electing a preacher We're electing a president.
	Daniel chapter 4 tells us that God sets over us sometimes the basest of men to rule over us.
	So I'm not looking for the choir boy as much as I'm looking for a degree of virtue that would signal a strength to be able to handle the position.
	I look for a degree of wisdom that would say, this man can handle these matters.
	So when it came to Trump, I will tell you the biggest issue I had with him, because I didn't vote for him in the primary, I voted for Cruz, but after three months into the Trump presidency, I was fully on board because he kept his word.
	And that was huge, or I should say huge, you know, that was bigly when he did that.
	So he, the Bible says, a fool is known by the multitude of his words.
	And in the multitude of words, there wanteth not sin.
	And the Bible tells us in the book of James that if we can bridle our tongue, we can bridle our whole body.
	So how we use our tongue is actually a very significant indication of what's going on in our heart.
	Jesus said, out of the abundance of the heart do not speak it.
	So when it came to Trump on the primary season, I looked at that guy.
	I knew some of the issue of his vice.
	And I'll tell you, in particular, an episode of The Apprentice, when he had his quote-unquote really good friend Chuck Schumer show up into his boardroom.
	Sorry, sorry. I was like, you've got to be kidding me.
	Which really good friend you said?
	Chuck Schumer. Oh, Chuck Schumer showed up.
	Oh, wow. Okay, okay.
	Yeah, he showed up on The Apprentice on an episode, because I love The Apprentice.
	And so he showed up on that, and I was like, how could Donald Trump call him a really good friend?
	And it just didn't make sense to me.
	And so my political understanding of Trump is that he was a businessman that dealt with everybody.
	And that, to me, it sounded like a weakness rather than a strength.
	I think...
	Yeah, he's got a problem with too many words.
	I'll just put it simply that way.
	I think he's gotten a lot better in the last seven years, a whole lot better, but it gave me reservation.
	I wanted to see a degree of wisdom, and so if I see a degree of folly, that means weakness, and a fool is known by the multitude of words.
	Every man's got weakness, and you have to compare it with the whole.
	Every man's going to have places where they don't excel.
	But then the presidency is not altogether a government of one.
	There are then to be persons around about him.
	Even King David had his mighty men, and Trump needed to have his mighty men.
	I think the problem there was that he was brand new to the swamp, really.
	I didn't really understand how deep it went.
	I pray he fully does now.
	I pray I do.
	I want to think the best.
	I want to have an optimistic outlook, but I'm going to tell you what, it's pretty sick and pretty sad what is really going on.
	So that's Trump. So as a Christian, as a pastor, I can wholeheartedly, and I am 100% wholeheartedly endorsing Donald J. Trump for 2024.
	100%. When we do events at the church, I put Donald Trump signs all around the property of the church.
	People come up to me and say, you can't do that!
	And I'll say chapter and verse.
	That's my authority. The Word of God is my ultimate authority in this.
	And you tell me where God forbids such a thing.
	I'm afraid, though I know as a pastor I have to be careful with my words because I have influence.
	But when the truth is the truth, and in this decision before us, there's one choice.
	Donald J. Trump.
	And it's as simple as that.
	That's the true choice that we have.
	And it's not a statement of his perfection.
	It's not a statement of my sycophantism or idolatry of the man.
	I'm not a fan of his.
	I'm not a fanboy.
	I don't want his autograph. I love the guy.
	I pray for the guy. I want to know for sure that he knows Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior.
	I'd love to know that for sure.
	But I support him.
	I support him, and I'm going to pray for him, and I'm going to do everything I can to help him, whether it's telling him the truth, hey, you know, please stop this ballot harvesting stuff, or telling him truth that says, yeah, man, keep going. You're doing so much better.
	You're showing so much more wisdom.
	So when it comes down to it, it's just the truth that allows us to evaluate the matter.
	And if we have wisdom, then we'll be able to see things from the right point of view and know how to do the right things at the right time and for the right reason.
	So Pastor Andy, you've been very involved in this upcoming election.
	Now, you have a very specific point of view as far as the activism you're doing.
	For this upcoming election, could you first establish, tell us what that is?
	What are the inherent issues with the upcoming election?
	What agendas are you pushing to avoid those issues?
	You know, do tell us. Yeah, we have a systemic fraud that is taking place in our elections.
	And stemming from Jimmy Carter's advice back in 2005, mail balloting is absolutely one of the worst things we could ever do.
	in our elections and so because we have done that under the pretenses of emergency we have completely devalued and despise our vote so I believe our vote is precious And we've got to treat it like that.
	It has that value.
	So, with the cheats, with the steal, with the mail balloting, with the electronic manipulations of voter rolls, and even vote counts, all the manner of things that are going on, I'm sounding the alarm on the fact that the American people have to wake up and act like we are a republic.
	A democracy? We're not.
	But we are a constitutional republic.
	And so, if we, the people, have the authority, then we have to act like we have authority.
	We have to assert the chain of command.
	So, in that, I am just going to be an attack dog on anything that is weakening our elections, that is usurping our authority, And so for the 2024 election, I'm absolutely pushing an agenda of no early voting whatsoever.
	Mail ballots, those are simply early votes.
	And the reason is because they give the enemy the data they need.
	They have a data harvesting, data collection, data analyzing system that allows them to run a very, very smart and smooth operation to know how many votes they need to create In order to gain the outcome that they want.
	And so elections are no longer a function of the American people.
	They're a function of elites, a cabal, a small group of people.
	And so I want to assert my authority and I want others to stand up with me and assert their authority.
	We have liberty to do so.
	We are not servants to our republic.
	We are the masters.
	We are the greater magistrates of this republic.
	And altogether, cowards have convinced the ignorant that they are in control.
	And when the ignorant wake up and realize that they have the power, they have the authority, we will be able to transform, I say it this way, reforge the American nation in accordance with our founding documents.
	So that's the mission.
	There's cheat, there's steal, there's fraud, there's corruption, there's ignorance, all kinds of things that work together.
	To be a perfect storm of fraud to undermine the authority of we the people.
	And so that's my mission is to go out there, raise the alarm, sound the alert, give information to whomever is willing to listen to it, and if no one listens, I'm still going to lead.
	If no one follows, I'm still going to push in the right direction.
	So tell me, could you run me through what is happening in terms of the early voting where fraud is happening?
	Could you illustrate what it is that you feel like are the dangers in early voting?
	So with the early voting, what happens is when a ballot envelope is scanned or a person walks into a polling center and they sign in at the poll books, that sends a data point.
	To be collected, to be analyzed, for ultimately the purpose of adjusting the formula for determining how and where the votes need to come from.
	So early voting says Vem just voted.
	So the people who want to commit fraud now know that they cannot insert a ballot in Vem's name.
	There's already a ballot in his name in the system.
	So every early vote, every mail vote, which is an early vote, gives identification of who has voted and what their likely vote is.
	They know enough information about the voter to know their likely vote.
	They're very good at it, very smart at it.
	So, they want to have information as soon as is possible so they have enough time as is possible to get the fraud organized.
	So, early voting gives them what they need in the time that they need to calculate their fraud.
	They have what's called a headroom Of voters.
	There are those who are going to vote, and then there are those who are registered to vote.
	In almost every election, in every precinct, the amount of people who are registered to vote exceeds the amount of people who actually do vote.
	That headroom is a known quantity.
	And so, literally, it's there on my head.
	So that headroom, if it's known, then they know securely where to draw names from to insert ballots in those names.
	So when people vote early, they give a definition to that headroom.
	They create a ceiling, a static number that's there that allows them to know where their headroom begins and where it ends at the total registered voters.
	So early voting creates this bottom number for them, which allows them to take the top number, which they already know, and calculate how much headroom that they have to work with.
	So early voting simply helps them to know what pool of names they've got to dip into in order to create their fraud.
	It also lets them know if they have enough headroom to actually get the fraud done.
	So like the case in point in 2020 in Florida, they thought they had enough headroom.
	To get Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton, or sorry, to get Joe Biden into office.
	But then Trump won Florida.
	And that began a cascade of panic throughout the United States.
	We end up having a faux water main break slash toilet leak slash oops, it was nothing that gets six states to stop the counting.
	So they had to reboot and then recalculate.
	So that they could figure out ultimately what they needed to do to get Joe Biden into office, to create the loss for Trump.
	So early voting, as in showing up at the polls early or mailing in your ballot, gives the data to allow them to calculate where they can and how they can commit their fraud.
	Wow. So you're getting this information from where?
	Several sources, Dr.
	Douglas Frank, also Mark Cook, a computer software security, not software, but security expert, and other persons within that realm of things.
	Some of the information from the movie Let My People Go by David Clements.
	Very wonderfully summarized all of those things.
	But I've had Dr. Frank here at the church.
	I've had him personally at my house.
	I've had Mark Cook here.
	I've gone down to see Mark Cook with the Hand Count Roadshow.
	You can go visit his operation there, the Hand Count Roadshow.
	And he goes through and both of those men do the analysis mathematically and from a security perspective on what's going on in our elections.
	And it really comes down to a fairly simple concept of voter rolls We're good to go.
	I'm going to play devil's advocate.
	We talked before this conversation about how much I hate that term.
	I wish we had a lawyer's advocate.
	Devil's advocate is such an extreme butt.
	What I noticed in terms of election 2022, right?
	First, let me preface this by saying that the Chinese during the Beijing Olympics Admitted that they were doing weather seeding, right?
	They were controlling the weather.
	That's something that the Chinese, the Russians, many countries have said.
	In fact, Mexico's come forward and been critical of our weather seeding because when we do stuff in California that changes the weather through human means, it affects Mexico.
	So they're like, why do you guys keep doing this?
	And you have to search deep, or not that deep, but you have to search deeper than listening to the mainstream media to find out about this stuff.
	But it's very much a reality that we know how to manipulate the weather.
	And definitely if the Chinese had it 12 years ago, as they admitted, we probably had it 50 years ago.
	But whatever the case, it's a possibility.
	But then I see the election in 2022.
	And That day, it poured like crazy.
	It poured like Noah's Ark was coming pouring.
	Didn't pour the day before, didn't pour the day after, didn't pour for two months after, didn't pour for two months before.
	So it was... Particularly on this day, there was a storm in Clark County.
	A lot of people didn't show up to vote.
	And this is where I'm playing devil's advocate, right?
	It seems as though if they want to discourage people from voting, they have a lot of tools at their disposal, including, you know, making basically flood amount of rain come down in order for people to stay home.
	Give me your thoughts on that topic, please.
	Yeah, so let's say they had the capability of nucleation to where they could really even control the wind.
	Because the nucleation doesn't control the wind.
	You know, God's got the wind in his fists.
	So let's say, though, they've got the capability of pinpointing a county and where there's going to be rain.
	Well, the problem becomes this.
	When we early vote, we have no control.
	We give them total control.
	When we vote on Election Day, they don't have total control.
	Get your galoshes on.
	Get your umbrella out.
	Maybe a church organizes a team to give hot soup to people.
	There's things that we are in control of yet when it's Election Day voting.
	And so I have been told recently that Election Day voting is a certain recipe for losing an election.
	And so The analysis then is this.
	Election Day voting is the safest and securest way to vote.
	So, why would we give that up?
	Early voting, even Jimmy Carter and the mail ballots, they will tell you, for four years leading up to the 2020 election, almost up to 2020, you have so many Democrat officials and elected bureaucrats, so to speak, that are railing against the machines and how they're hackable and how they will flip votes, all this kind of stuff.
	So, Election Day voting being the safest and most secure way, we can't abandon that lightly.
	We have, I would say, bought into the argument of comfort.
	We want a month of voting so we're comfortable with our voting process.
	What makes us comfortable with it?
	That it's secure and accurate or transparent?
	Quite the opposite. It's neither of those things, but what is it?
	It's comfortable. It's easy. So I would say that there's a spirit of laziness that is addictive.
	So we offer a society more conveniences to make things easier and easier.
	We will tend to automatically pursue it because we see virtue in the ease of it.
	But there is not always virtue in easiness.
	Some things are to be hard.
	We are to quit ourselves like men.
	We're to endure hardness as good soldiers.
	Certain things are going to come with a degree of rigor and hardness that we need to be geared up for.
	And so the argument that would tell us, like on Cary Lake's 2022 election, look, look what happened.
	Clark County's 2022, look what happened.
	Well, altogether, though I believe cloud seeding and the nucleation particles that we send up there can affect and manipulate moisture that falls from the sky, but not necessarily create wind that will drive the rain in the direction that it goes to.
	So I say that to say that though there's some cause to be concerned, yet the control is very minimal.
	The control is minimal.
	And this, I think, is where our power is at in what we can control.
	We can't control weather altogether.
	We know Christ can. He can say peace be still and the waves and the winds are still.
	What can we control?
	We can control when we vote.
	Now, We should also be informed in when we vote.
	So that if good information is behind our decision of when to vote, then we need to control it from that perspective.
	And so we control when we show up to vote and information, good information, should instruct us in that.
	And so I would offer that the good information is vote in the safest and securest and most transparent way.
	That comes down to Paper ballots on secured paper, voted at the precinct level, counted at the precinct level, so that you create a good formula.
	And that good formula is minimizing time and distance that your vote travels and is handled.
	The more time between your vote and it being counted, the more opportunities for something bad to happen to it.
	The more distance your vote has to travel in order to be counted, the more opportunities for something to happen to it that shouldn't happen.
	So I think it's a very simple and easy to understand formula that most people don't think of.
	I didn't think of it. I didn't think of it until the last four years.
	It just wasn't on my thought.
	I trusted election officials.
	I trusted the election process.
	But listening to officials and county commissioners and elections department officials arguing against getting rid of the machines, getting rid of early voting, listening to their vapid arguments helped me really understand they retain a process and want to expand a process that continues to go in the opposite direction of a good election.
	They want more time and more distance between your vote and it being counted.
	And so that's why, and I think in a simple way, why advocate for Election Day only?
	I think it's practical. I think it's easy to understand.
	We have a responsibility and a duty to secure our own elections.
	And that means one conclusion.
	We vote on Election Day, vote on paper, in our precincts, touted in our precincts, with complete oversight on the whole process.
	And if we do that, then we can trust.
	But as long as we don't have that, we insert distrust into the process.
	I can go down to the counting center and watch them scan ballots into the tabulator.
	And a certain official would tell me, Andy, see, you're observing the count.
	I would tell this official, no I'm not.
	I cannot see what's actually happening in the scanning of that ballot and the processing of the data that's generated.
	He points to a little four-inch screen, so to speak, on the tabulator and says, see?
	It's telling you what's going on.
	I said, now listen.
	I said, that screen is telling me what some programmer wants me to see.
	That same programmer has the capability of creating a front screen which shows different information from what's actually happening.
	And when I ask questions to persons to say, is this a possibility?
	Because I know it is.
	They say, no, it's not a possibility.
	And then I know they're lying to me.
	They're either lying asserting they know something they don't know or they do know and they're just flat out lying to me on that.
	By the way, real quick, we interviewed somebody that was one of the individuals that wrote this kind of software.
	He's written this kind of software in terms of what you would find in a Dominion machine, what you would find...
	Some of these machines that tally up the vote.
	And he was saying that, you know, what's the clear cut evidence that they are up to something nefarious is that an actual counting software, he said that a 12 year old that understands programming could write because the most simplest thing.
	It's a simple additive process.
	Yeah, the complexity is where, and you know, we see this in our tax code, we see this in our laws, we see these in the thousand page bills that go out in Congress with all the stuff hidden in there with congressional members don't even have the time to read.
	It's the complexity within which the fraud happens was his point.
	Correct. And that's why, again, an advocate for that simple process makes certain people very angry.
	Why would it make them angry?
	The simple process is the best process for security, transparency, and accuracy.
	Why would we strive for anything less than that?
	And if we're angry against the process that produces the best security, transparency, and accuracy, then there's something wrong with that person.
	Either they're extremely ignorant and proud, or they're completely corrupted.
	I don't think it's very difficult to understand, but I think there are people who are just in disbelief.
	They were like, I trusted the process.
	And to try to convince me to not trust the process would seem extreme.
	And I think people are averse to believing extreme things.
	We want to have comfortable beliefs.
	We want to have comfortable positions.
	But in my observations of listening, Asking questions, listening to answers, observing people's words and actions.
	I've come to the conclusion that we have a purposefully corrupt system.
	And simply in this, not even advocating for someone has stolen an election.
	Let's say nobody has stolen an election.
	Our current election systems have the capacity for fraud that a ballot, a paper ballot, doesn't.
	A paper ballot, hand counted at the precinct, counted, or voted at the precinct, counted at the precinct, is so much safer than the convoluted and complex process that we have today.
	You can go to the Elections Department here in Clark County, and on their website, their mission is to have the most technologically advanced election system in the nation.
	That just simply makes it more complicated.
	And it's not necessary to count 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
	With complex convoluted machinery and software and networking.
	It's just unnecessary.
	So why do they retain it? Why do they expand it?
	It's because it gives them control.
	Just the fact that our election systems exist as they are and they are retained as they are and expanded as they are is the proof of corruption because a reasonable person can conclude Voting on paper ballot in your precinct, counting that paper ballot at the precinct, is the safest, most secure, most transparent way.
	And anything less than that is a form of corruption.
	A form of corruption.
	And so, just the existence of that system says, we are giving the opportunity for bad things to happen.
	And that's foolish.
	So you've been preaching this direction to a lot of people in Clark County in Las Vegas, right?
	Tell us a little bit about some of the challenges that you ran into in that process.
	First, let's start with, I guess, the fervent church.
	Tell us a little bit about what was going on there.
	I know from speaking to some mutual associates that you're really trying to make sure that I believe his name is Pastor So you have Morales and then you have Jesus Marquis, which I guess are in charge of the church.
	Tell me a little bit about how those conversations went.
	Yeah. Well, first of all, just to make a little correction, they're in charge of the American Christian Caucus, ACC. And so that is the ground for that.
	The home ground is Fervent Church.
	So several months ago, you know, I began coming into the meetings, got invited to come and see how it was going, and then ultimately they began late last year shifting To we're going to ballot harvest.
	We're going to ballot harvest. We're going to ballot bank.
	And so in my attempts to just have a good conversation and a dialogue on the issue, in one part the argument is dismissed.
	And in another part, it's kind of listened to a little bit, and I think there might be some open doors still for listening and absorbing some of the argument that I make.
	But I've done one-on-one communications.
	We've done luncheon meetings.
	I have attended the ACC meetings and asked questions at question time.
	And what is consistent is that Fraud is never taken into account in the explanations behind the process that they are committed to.
	So, the American Christian Caucus there has fully committed themselves to ballot harvesting, ballot banking, getting the vote out early, and they persist still in that path.
	I think based upon one fundamental principle, they do not acknowledge the existence of significant fraud.
	And so as I've argued with them, I have argued this, that it wouldn't be wise to have a strategy that doesn't include the reality of what's going on.
	Election fraud, significant election fraud, not voter fraud, but election fraud.
	Significant election fraud is taking place.
	It's calculable. It's demonstrable.
	You just have to look at it.
	Yeah, and by the way, for the viewers, I just want to point out a couple of things.
	For the viewers that are doubtful this is happening, we actually have...
	I'm looking at my screen over here.
	We actually recently filmed a...
	A speech, essentially a conversation that I believe Seth Keschel, and I'm looking for the episode here.
	Seth Keschel was in New Jersey with Ivan Raiklin and a couple of other individuals.
	And they were describing some of the things that have come forward.
	And so when Pastor Andy says it's calculable, some people still don't believe this.
	I would look up how elections are stolen and how to stop them.
	With Seth Keschel, which is on the America Happens network, because you have glaring things like, you know, 130% of people in a precinct vote, right?
	Right. Which is impossible.
	They blow their heads off.
	Yeah. Yeah. Firstly, you know, we know that, you know, maybe 50% of people vote.
	So that number, even in like a very aggressive election, should be like 60, 65%.
	Right. Fucking double those numbers, you know, and more votes than humans, which, I mean, come on, if there was ever a smoking gun that all is not, you know, all the tea is not what they're saying it is, I mean, that would be it.
	But it is happening.
	So you're saying the way to solve that is by voting the day of.
	Now, and it doesn't seem like, so the fervent church and the, is it the ACC you said?
	ACC, American Christian Caucus.
	So the Fervent Church American Christian Caucus, essentially the American Christian Caucus is out of the Fervent Church, which is run by Pastor Morales and also Jesus Marquez.
	Did I say that right? Yeah, Jesus Marquez.
	Yeah, he's the gentleman that fundamentally runs the ACC, organizes its schedules for events and activities.
	Okay, and so they don't seem like they were very receptive to these ideas.
	No. In fact, Jesus and I, in our last conversation, I told him, I said, look, we're on opposing sides of this.
	I'm going to love you as a Christian brother, but when we get into the politics here, we're going to be on the field of battle together, and it's okay for us to tackle one another, isn't it?
	And so we have a gentleman's agreement that in these political things, we are significantly different.
	And so, okay, you know what?
	We're going to go politic.
	We're going to go get our uniforms dirty.
	And we're going to, you know...
	Vigorously advocate for what we believe is good and true.
	So yeah, I think there's a fundamental separation, a fundamental division between ACC and what I would advocate.
	And I think a whole lot of very important and influential figures actually do advocate persons who are truly in the know, persons who have truly experienced, those persons who have truly examined things Sincerely and deeply.
	I'll say this, I think a lot of people are averse to that extreme position.
	And when something sounds extreme, they will push away from it instead of just sit still and listen.
	And that is what I've experienced a whole lot of.
	And I get it.
	I understand. We are lulled to sleep.
	We are not awake.
	And so when we are in that condition and someone is sounding an alarm, it just doesn't make sense.
	We actually don't believe it.
	It's incredulous. So that's where on our part, the hard work then is to repeat the message.
	Keep sounding the alarm.
	So, okay, I want to bring up, I heard a rumor, and tell me if you've heard something similar.
	I heard a rumor that there was an event scheduled at that fervent church having to do with election fraud.
	And again, I'm not sure if this is accurate, but I want to see if you've heard something similar that essentially that event got cancelled because somebody at that church sits on a board with somebody that is actually high up in the Dominion voting machine world.
	I mean, do you know anything about this topic?
	I do know some information there about Bob Liss.
	So Bob Liss does attend the church there.
	He is a Dominion lawyer and lobbyist.
	And so I don't know particularly if he is on the board of the church.
	I have been told that he's not on the board of ACC, but my understanding is that he's an integral part of certain things that go on there with the ACC. And so, you know, that in by itself is for me, and I'm not being hostile toward anybody, that's just a massive red flag.
	A massive red flag.
	That to me, from the position I take and from the knowledge I have of the fraud that's being committed and listening to Coomer and Polis there with Dominion and some of their interactions and their lies under oath and some of the things that they've said in different kinds of contexts, It's a dangerous thing to let that snake Close to your operation.
	So is it accurate though, like that, I mean, is the rumor that I heard accurate that there was an actual voter fraud seminar convention that was planned to be at Fervent Church that was then the plug was pulled on because there was some kind of conflict of interest with an individual or individuals that are part of Dominion voting machines, whether it's the lawyer or who it is.
	I mean, is that story actually accurate?
	Yeah. Now, there was an event with Tina Peters that was scheduled to happen there, and it got canceled rather last minute.
	In fact, That's ultimately the circumstance that drew us to get to meet each other, Vem, through that Tina Peters event.
	That's right. That's right. I totally forgot about that.
	So you're saying that because it got canceled at Furvan, it was rescheduled at your church, which is where you and I met for the first time.
	Correct. Correct. Wow.
	I did not even know that.
	So that was originally scheduled for Furvan Church, huh?
	Correct. And then, as a good story, we meet Tuesdays and Thursdays and we pray for our nation.
	And so on a Thursday morning prayer, we finished wrapping up and I was praying, Lord, just help our little church to have more influence.
	Just help us to be a blessing.
	And then all of a sudden that afternoon, I get an email from Marty reaching out to me saying, hey, you know, is it possible we could use your church for an event coming up?
	And I'm like, sure!
	And that's how I got introduced to Tina Peters.
	That's how I got introduced to you.
	And so the ball has been rolling since then.
	Wow, wow. Okay, so that picture was actually sent to us.
	And I'm going to put this picture up because there are certain individuals here that make this story a little bit more interesting here.
	So this particular picture is...
	Do you want to talk about the individuals in this picture, Pastor Andy?
	Tell us who each person is.
	Yeah, sure. So working left to right, we have on the left Jesus Marquez, and so he's the operational manager, so to speak, of the ACC. Then, of course, next to him, moving right, is Charlie Kirk.
	I do not know the lady that's there in the center.
	Then to the right of her is former Nevada Governor Bob List.
	He's the one that's the Dominion lawyer lobbyist.
	And then far right is Pastor Jimmy Morales there.
	Okay, so this Bob List person is the one that, as far as you're aware, has been working directly with Dominion Voting as a lawyer.
	Absolutely, yes. Wow, wow, okay.
	Alright, that's interesting.
	Where was that picture from?
	Do you have any idea when it was from?
	Yeah, that picture there, that was from the latest event there, the TP Faith, Turning Point Faith, where Charlie Kirk was here in Vegas.
	There was a pastor's roundtable and then a main event afterwards.
	So that is from that evening here, just a couple of Thursdays ago.
	Two weeks ago, I think it is now.
	And we don't know whether it's confirmed or not, or you tell me that this gentleman, the lawyer, Bob List, is actually currently part of the board at the Fervent Church.
	You're not aware, but you're saying that he's known as somebody that's integral to the church?
	Could you repeat what you had said in regards to that topic?
	Yes. So I cannot confirm that he's on the board at the church.
	I was told that he was not on the board of the ACC. But as you can see even from the photo, that there's prominence there.
	And so that's as far as I can confirm personally.
	Wow, wow. Okay, so do you feel as though that is causing a conflict of interest where events like the Tina Peters event, who out of all the election officials, I think she was one of two that actually backed up the machines, right? And actually came up with a lot of information as to irregularities.
	And I believe, you know, Mike Lindell, for example, after having done his symposium, had some software experts and they said, yes, for sure there's something shady going on here.
	Because after the software patch update, all of a sudden votes were starting to be flipped, something of that degree.
	So there was some evidence caught there that definitely brought into question the accuracy of these machines.
	So that was canceled at the Fervent Church.
	It was brought to your church.
	The fact that this gentleman, Bob List, the lawyer for Dominion or one of the lawyers for Dominion, is that that church has something to do with the cancellation and it being rescheduled and relocated to your church.
	Yeah, so I do not know that for certain, but I will absolutely acknowledge the appearance of impropriety.
	When there's conflict of interest, you have to do things real well.
	You have to run a tight ship at that point.
	So I haven't had too many conversations About the motivations behind that switch of venue.
	But when I learned about Bob List being there and what his role is with Dominion, that absolutely sends up massive red flags.
	I would be shocked to find out that he is inert.
	I would be shocked to find out that he is inert.
	It's why conflict of interest is dealt with so strongly.
	It's why recusal is demanded and supposed to be universally accepted.
	Because if we want to truly have a trusted decision, the appearance of fairness and equity in judgment and justice, bias has to be removed.
	And this level of I will say this, the level of commitment toward the use of the machines, the level of commitment to vouching for the integrity of the machines, coupled with the existence of Bob List there, for me, absolutely, it raises major red flags.
	And if I had the opportunity to have that discussion, I'd be happy to have that discussion with all the persons that are involved there.
	Wow, wow. All right, so take me through this story now.
	You were at an event, from what I understand, at the Fervent Church, and I believe one of your agendas there was to speak to these gentlemen, but also Charlie Kirk, about the voting process and it being important to actually vote on the day of election.
	Take us through all that happened there, please.
	Yeah, so a few weeks before that, I had contacted a couple of pastors, Jimmy Rouse was one of them, when I saw Scott Pressler hop out onto the stage at a TP Action event here in Las Vegas.
	And so it just kind of rekindled the issue of This nationwide effort, especially from the RNC, to have all the Republican voters participate in the ballot harvesting and the banking.
	And so that issue just kind of got brought to the forefront.
	I immediately started putting out communications.
	I wanted to have conversations about this.
	What are we going to do about this?
	This is a message we have to push against.
	And so, you know, a little bit of back and forth, and Jimmy said, hey, hey, you know, Charlie Kirk's going to be here in town.
	Why don't you come to the round table and you can ask him those questions?
	Because I had said, hey, you guys are in Arizona for that event down there.
	Go reach Charlie Kirk.
	Let's reach Charlie Kirk.
	Let's get the conversation going on why this is happening with Turning Point.
	So anyway, it turned into being then on the 21st of March would be the Turning Point Faith event at Fervent.
	There would be a pastor's round table before the main event.
	And so the plan was for me to go in there and have an opportunity to talk one-on-one with Charlie Kirk about these issues.
	And I was also wanting to be able to reach other different pastors and ministers that were there.
	Had some papers printed up with some information just to be able to hand to them, to give them information on the topic of why we wouldn't want an early vote.
	So, I go in there and during the Q&A period after Charlie Kirk is done giving his introductory speech, we have that Q&A and pastors are asking questions and it really seemed to be on a very spiritually lined discussion.
	It really wasn't getting into voting and voting machines and early voting and election strategy as much as it was discussing spiritual rules and boundaries for pastors and things like that and politics.
	But then, at one point, Charlie mentioned that if Nevada had fairer elections, that we'd be in a better position.
	So I was like, oh, okay. So he's bringing up the issue of fairness.
	So I raised my hand, waiting for my turn to receive the mic so I could ask my question.
	I get the mic and I ask my question.
	I introduce the fact that he had mentioned the fairness of elections, and so then I brought up Scott Pressler and the ballot banking, ballot harvesting, early voting issue, and wanted to know what the philosophy was behind that.
	Why were they doing that, especially in light of the election fraud that we've got going?
	So, at that point, it began a very hostile interaction.
	That was not an interaction where it was inquisitive, reasonable.
	It wasn't about, hey, let's reason over a certain issue.
	Let's discuss this. It turned hostile.
	And in the end, I told Charlie I was in complete disagreement.
	I wholeheartedly disagreed with him.
	His position was that there basically was no fraud in the machines and that there's no proof of it and that voting on Election Day is a guaranteed way to lose an election.
	And so I told him I wholeheartedly disagree with that and I asked him and about 60 different persons there and so I asked him if we could discuss it afterwards one-on-one and then at that point he said no because I'm probably a fed and The entire time was tense and hostile.
	I'm not afraid of vigorous debate.
	I kind of enjoyed it a little bit.
	I'm sorry. I'm kind of laughing back here because I swear to God, when you're in this movement, this is the interesting the viewers should know about this.
	I'm starting to think everybody's a fed.
	Seriously, it's just crazy.
	Crazy because anytime something goes wrong or people disagree, I hear this accusation.
	You're a Fed. I mean, literally everybody's been called a Fed.
	I've been called a Fed. There's blogs where they're like, Ben's a Fed for sure.
	He's trying to get us all arrested.
	It's just funny. It's just a funny accusation to throw at people.
	But anyway, keep going. Yeah, so when that happened, the entire mood of the room collapsed.
	I could literally hear the gasps that took place there.
	And so, you know, I had an initial impulse.
	I wanted to say something back.
	I wanted to yell out projection, you know.
	But I didn't want to be hostile to his hostile nature toward me, and so I wanted to calm things down.
	It was very clear the conversation was closed off.
	And then after that, I went up to two different persons and said, you need to get me a one-on-one with Charlie.
	You need to get me a one-on-one.
	I went to Pastor Morales.
	I said, do what you can do.
	I need to get that one-on-one with Charlie.
	I went to another gentleman with TPUSA, a regional director.
	And I've known him for a time, and I told him, you gotta do what you can do to get me a one-on-one.
	We gotta just kind of get this thing resolved.
	Because it wasn't, you know, even though there was some laughter here earlier, nobody took it to be funny at all.
	I mean, I didn't take it to be funny.
	I wasn't personally insulted or mad.
	Kind of a thing.
	But it just completely destroyed the mood in the room when he did that.
	And it was clearly hostile.
	It was not clearly a nice thing.
	It was, I would say, a little bit of malice trying to hurt, trying to impugn a person trying to slander.
	So I wanted to deal with that and to get that right.
	So as a Christian, you know, you got to try to make that private effort.
	But this thing took place very publicly, very publicly.
	Dozens of witnesses to that.
	Was it filmed by any chance?
	Is there a video of that? I'm working on that.
	I know some parts of it were filmed.
	In fact, before our call here, I called up a person to try to follow up on my contact with them to see if they had the video.
	Pastor Morales said if the video exists, he'll get it to me.
	The person that I know was filming has actually told me that there was no film.
	I pray that we can get access to that film.
	I think that's a good thing to have a neutral witness.
	That's the point of it.
	You look at the video, it's going to show me what I did.
	It's going to show Charlie what he did.
	It's going to show me what I said.
	It's going to show Charlie what he said.
	I think it's beneficial to have a neutral witness in a matter like this.
	And still seeking for there to be a reconciliation and a settling of the matter here.
	And I really pray and hope that it does.
	But unavoidable is the consequence of what took place.
	I mean, if I could chime in real quick.
	I mean, that's... To all of a sudden, because you're posing an opinion or difference of opinion, it's a little bit extreme to start calling a pastor.
	I mean, you guys have never met before, right?
	So you've never talked to him.
	Does he know you're a pastor?
	He would have assumed that because it was the pastor's roundtable and pastors were invited.
	Yeah. So he accused you.
	So you said, you know, you suggested that maybe we should do same day voting.
	And he started to say that he thinks you're a fed.
	I mean, could you take us through his exact words?
	You know, I mean, we don't have the transcript here, but if you could guide us through exactly what happened.
	Yeah, so toward the tail end of that, when he got up to calling me, insinuating that I was a Fed, he had said that election day voting was a guarantee of a loss.
	Just look at Carrie Lake in 2022.
	And so my response to that was, we shouldn't be afraid of hardship.
	Something to that effect.
	Some things are going to be difficult, so voting on Election Day is going to have difficulties.
	We shouldn't run from those difficulties.
	That's the manner of my retort to his position on why we are a guaranteed loss if we vote on Election Day.
	And so I told him, well, I wholeheartedly disagree with you.
	And there was a pressure in the room to kind of let the Q&A kind of move along.
	There was a need to transition into the main event.
	And so you kind of had a pressure in the room that was trying to move on from Charlie and I interacting.
	And so I was trying to acknowledge that.
	And so then I asked him, perhaps you and I can meet one on one on this afterward.
	And we can discuss this afterward.
	And so at that point is when he said, no, I don't think so, because you're probably a fed.
	And that's what happened there, there towards the end.
	At that point, there's one of the gentlemen that had a question, was real brief, Q&A there, and then everybody was dismissed to then begin walking over to the main sanctuary where the main event was going to be.
	Wow, wow. And then no other subsequent conversations with Charlie Kirk?
	None. Yeah, he disappeared.
	He was getting ready to go up on stage.
	Pastor Jimmy Rallis, because I went to him and I said, look, this has got to be dealt with.
	And he told me I talked to Charlie, but didn't describe what he talked about to Charlie with.
	I made the assumption, and I do make the assumption that...
	And in a sense, Jimmy would have said, look, that was bad form, kind of a thing.
	But I don't know exactly.
	But that's the sense that I have from what Jimmy told me.
	So everybody in the room knew it was a bad thing.
	He told Charlie, like, you think he would have told Charlie, hey, that was bad form.
	You shouldn't have called him a fed.
	Yeah, yeah. I think that happened.
	I think that happened. Oh, wow.
	Okay, okay. Cool, cool. I mean, that's good for Pastor Morales.
	I mean, it seems a little extreme, you know?
	Yeah, he told me that he talked with him.
	And so I do believe him.
	I take him in earnest there.
	And so...
	It's at that. So at that point, I've had communications with Charlie that I've made toward him.
	He's given one communication back and still awaiting for us to handle it man-to-man.
	What is the communication back that you've had from him?
	He said he would love to reconcile.
	Oh, he would. Okay, okay.
	You know, there was a so when this happened again, we're I'm going down their rumor mill, but by the way You know the other thing I brought up is in terms of the rumors that I've heard about Fervent church. I mean that seemed to have been pretty accurate in terms of potential cancellation due to this Dominion a lawyer again, we don't know the answer to that so there's There's no way of us going but definitely there's elements
	there that are concerning Concerning is a good word right to describe that. Yeah, that would be something to give give a person a reason to be concerned You bet. Yeah, and I mean, just the idea, because, you know, fervent church for the viewers out there that are not familiar with this church.
	So this is one of the churches that actually stood up against the lockdowns.
	I believe Sigal Chata, who whimsically is referred to as the Jew that saved Christmas, because she actually, you know, fought the, you know, Sisolak and his whole entourage.
	The lockdown. And one, got that church open.
	So this church is known as one of the few that fought against the lockdown, right?
	And I remember people being in quite admiration of Pastor Morales because he was one of the few that stood up.
	And as we know, Pastor Andy, you are one of the ones that stood up too, right?
	So there is some very positive history there, right?
	Right. How could one be a lawyer for Dominion once we know?
	I mean, how could a God-fearing person, I'm not trying to attack this individual that I've never met, never met Bob List, don't know much about him.
	I moved to Nevada way after he was in office, so I don't know much about him, but I could tell you what I know about Dominion, how they operate, and the fact that even If the only thing I knew about Dominion was that they create complicated software, to me that would indicate an immoral company because this is not a complicated software to create.
	Correct. So that on its own is very shady.
	That's the thing we've got to look at because as we're talking, this is a software that a 12-year-old could create because you're literally just counting.
	And once you complicate that counting process, you add all this other code and stuff.
	That to me is just on a smoking gun level.
	On a scope level.
	I gotta say. That's the evidence of corruption.
	That is corrupting an election.
	Case in point, by creating fractional voting capacity.
	Why would you ever count a fraction of a vote?
	You never have a fraction of a person.
	So, yeah, yeah.
	I mean, that's shady, like, to me, you know, when they do these thousand-page bills and they give people three hours to read them, that's shady.
	We know the tax code is shady.
	The tax code could be this long, but they want this long meaning on a page it could be this long.
	But what they've done is really made it where it's binders this big of tax code.
	And again, it's to complicate things because in the complication, it's easy to have fraud.
	It's easy to sneak things through, right?
	So that on its own, just the principle of a church going individual belonging to this dominion organization, being their lawyer and being their advocate to me just seems so wrong on its surface without anything else.
	Yeah. So how do you deal with that concept?
	Well, number one, you realize that God is very merciful.
	We do dumb and stupid things every day.
	And if God's mercies weren't new every morning, we'd be consumed.
	That's what it tells us in Lamentations chapter 3.
	So any person that is able to do good or to be a blessing or to be in help, they have to have mercy from God in order to do that.
	And so it simply means that God gets all the glory for all the good.
	And God is very merciful.
	He withholds judgment from us.
	He withholds consequence. So, God uses people in His mercy toward them that they would do good things or things that would be considered a blessing.
	So, that component of mercy is very necessary to uphold when we try to understand this issue of how could a Christian do this or that.
	We look at King David in the Old Testament.
	He became an adulterer and a murderer, and God said, I've put away your sin, you're not going to die.
	We know that in God's mercy, He can put away judgments from us.
	But then we begin to reconcile something different, a pattern of behavior.
	The pattern of behavior creates a different circumstance.
	The Bible says of Christians this,"...and such were some of you." When a person becomes a child of God, they're born again, they've trusted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and their sins are forgiven, they're given everlasting life, the Holy Spirit of God comes to dwell with them forever, and they become a new creature.
	Old things pass away, all things become new.
	And such were some of us.
	We used to have that prevailing habit.
	We don't become perfect when we become a Christian, but there's certain patterns of things that change.
	When you begin to see certain patterns in persons who would say that they're a Christian, it would begin to make you question.
	And so that's very natural.
	But when we bathe the issue in mercy, we say, look, I'm not looking for a Christian to be perfect, but I'm looking for them to have certain fundamental good patterns.
	When we get into an issue of advocating and lobbying for dominion, when you know what dominion is, and you see that person's to it and how they're married to it and joined to it in that way that's a massive red flag that causes you to question what's really going on what is really going on there you want to be merciful you want to believe the best but then you also have to accept reality and the pattern of being so
	joined to dominion in that way when a person knows what dominion is Like you're saying, just the simple fact of the complicated nature of the counting, the complication of their machinery and their software, that is unacceptable.
	It is absolutely unacceptable to have that kind of a thing operating in our elections.
	So how is it that a person is in fellowship with that?
	Ephesians chapter 5, it says,"...have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." Okay, so being a lobbyist, being a lawyer for dominion, I think that clearly brings us into the point where you're having fellowship with the unfrippled works of darkness.
	Now Christians are told not to do that, which means they have the ability to do that, but God says don't do that.
	It's one of the commandments of wisdom that's supposed to guide us.
	So someone being in that position It causes suspicion upon who they really are.
	Now, there are always Judases in every church.
	There are always Ahithophels in every cabinet and council, like with King David.
	There are always those persons who are not Christian and will ultimately always not do true Christian work.
	They are going to be hindering.
	They are going to be...
	Those who defile, good work.
	They ruin good work.
	And so, with someone like that, and I am absolutely not wanting to make anything personal here, I'm just making observations that if I'm a pastor and I've got someone like that in the body of Christ, that would give me concern.
	As a pastor who loves people and wants to see people get better and stronger and wiser and more spiritual, we all are a piece of work.
	We all have so much that we fall short of the glory of God in We all have this, as the Bible calls it, a body of death.
	In our flesh dwells no good thing.
	We sin every day.
	As a pastor, I want to help people move away from sin more and more.
	It's a daily process. When you see things like that, you see a major warning.
	You see a major, major warning.
	Something significant is happening there.
	When significant things are happening, it requires significant responses.
	Having a knowing, I'll put it this way, knowing what dominion is.
	Knowing then, having such a person there, that creates a huge problem.
	At the very least, a massive warning.
	A massive warning.
	There is weakness there.
	There's danger there. There's peril that's there.
	And it's not being judgmental.
	It's just looking at reality.
	Certain things are dangerous.
	Certain things destroy rather than build.
	And so, looking at the nature of things, you gotta give warning when warning is due.
	And I would absolutely, absolutely say that You have to approach that kind of situation with a lot of care, a lot of wisdom.
	You want to help anybody.
	You want to help anybody be better.
	You want to help anyone be stronger.
	You want to help anyone be more wise.
	You want to help anyone come to knowledge where they have been in ignorance.
	You want to help everybody.
	And so you have to approach it in that way.
	But in order to help a person, you've got to have a real understanding of what's wrong.
	And so you use scripture to diagnose.
	God gives us the truth.
	He tells us the truth about things.
	You use scripture to diagnose things.
	And then you go and deal with it according to the prescription.
	Scripture gives diagnosis and it gives prescription for things.
	Wisdom is profitable to direct.
	So once you see things from God's point of view, now you can do the right things at the right time for the right reason.
	But if we don't have wisdom, for whatever reason, if we don't have wisdom to see what dominion is, if we don't have the ability to look at what the machines are, the systems are, the persons who are running it, who have testified under oath to not lie and have outright lied, When you look at that, you cannot help but conclude something is very wrong there.
	Now you got to dig in.
	You got to get after it. You want to cure that.
	You want to help that.
	And it is no good thing if we don't take the measured right actions in response to that kind of danger.
	And that's what a good shepherd's supposed to do.
	Be able to identify the danger, be a watchman, and give the warning.
	Sometimes the warnings are heated, sometimes they're taken, and not.
	I mean, it's just looking at like, okay, you have a few things, right?
	You have this event that was about for literally Tina Peters, because I came to your church event.
	We covered that when Tina was talking.
	I mean, her fight was directly against Dominion.
	It was calling Dominion out.
	It was backing the Dominion machines, right?
	So that gets cancelled.
	Bob List happens to be part of the church where it gets cancelled.
	Seems as though one could decipher that perhaps there was discomfort there because he is a Dominion lawyer.
	And then you have this kind of talk, right?
	And then you have this picture.
	I don't like it.
	I don't like it, man. And it's like, I'm not here looking to make enemies and stuff with people at the fervent church, but I just don't like it.
	I don't like the merging of these worlds.
	I don't know where in a church this even has a place.
	And this is politics invading the church in a nasty way.
	Yes. You know, the fact that, hey, there's relationships, all of a sudden there's meetings canceled, all of a sudden people are turning a deaf ear.
	And the reason I say this is I've done a lot of work with Tina Peters directly.
	And from what I understand is that she backed up the Dominion software machine.
	Then, in the process of doing a patch or an update to the software...
	Trusted build. Mm-hmm.
	Trusted build. Yeah, trusted build.
	Then it was discovered that very important aspects were changed and this opened the door to fraud and definitely a lot of unanswered questions.
	Even in the complexity of how that software works in that It's a very complex software.
	And what I was told by multiple election experts is that if you really want to create a software that tallies up the vote, like a 12-year-old software engineer could do that because it's the same software you could write.
	And the fact that they made it so complex and multi-layered and it is something proprietary already indicates that they're creating intentional complexities.
	And by the way, like they do our tax code, like they do all these bills in Congress, We don't have time to read.
	Intentional complexities to allow fraudulent things to happen.
	So on the surface, that looks very bad.
	And it looks very bad that a church cancels a voter fraud event with Tina Peters, which Indications would be that you have a person that is very involved at the church.
	We don't know if he's a board member, but we do know he is Dominion's lawyer, and lo and behold, an event that was scheduled at that church gets cancelled.
	I mean, all this stuff really stinks.
	It actually gives me a very creepy feeling.
	Please dissect what you think's going on there.
	Yeah, well, you know, the scriptures tell us to abstain from all appearance of evil, and Having this situation there absolutely creates a problem.
	It's a problem that has to be dealt with.
	It's such a problem that it puts suspicion upon the integrity of the work that is being done.
	Having someone like Bob List in an influential position, in any kind of influential position, It's a problem.
	Dominion Voting Systems is such a clearly corrupt organization, company, business, just by what you described there.
	The built-in complexities that enable malicious, nefarious things to take place.
	There's no reason for it. There's no justification to build things like that for voting unless you want an opportunity.
	For fraud. And that is the clear-cut purpose of it.
	It's not a debatable issue.
	That kind of alignment, that kind of fellowship with Dominion makes the person that's in fellowship with them suspect.
	Either they are ignorant to such a degree that they should not have Position of importance.
	If persons are ignorant to a certain degree, they shouldn't be responsible persons.
	That ignorance makes them defective in any attempt to do good.
	If they are corrupt, then they are going to be a leavenous influence in any good process.
	I do agree that there is such a condition in Dominion that anyone that is lobbying, lawyering, advocating for them is inexcusably part of something corrupt.
	I'm willing to be merciful, I'm willing to believe the best about things, but examining what is, there is a system there that's no longer trustworthy.
	You have that kind of significant influence In your surroundings, you now have suspect surroundings.
	You now have a suspect organization.
	That's very logical.
	I think that's very reasonable.
	Though you want to believe the best of things, that doesn't give you liberty to ignore reality.
	And certain red flags, certain warnings, have to be taken seriously.
	And I would say that if you're involved in Dominion, in any significant level, You're aware.
	It'd be hard for me to see how a person would not be aware.
	And, you know, we've got to talk about the legal process here because if you're a Dominion lawyer, you're getting the lawsuits against Dominion.
	You're seeing people's grievances towards Dominion because you're defending Dominion.
	You're the guy that's basically in charge of saying, no, no, no, that's not what's happening, or you've got to take him to court or whatever, right?
	So there is a lot of information, a lot more so than like a layman that a lawyer gets in the process of being sued.
	So there's got to be awareness by this Bob List that there are a lot of people out there that question what's going on with the Dominion Machine, including Tina Peters.
	And that one is, that just bothers me that this event was canceled.
	That's the thing that, it bothers me that it was canceled and then Then we, you know, cut to this event where you're having personal attacks launched upon you because you bring up the questions of the voting machines, which seems to concern like a lot of Americans.
	I mean, a hundred-something million Americans seem to be concerned.
	Absolutely. Absolutely.
	And that was no doubt a surprise.
	It took me aback a little bit.
	It seemed so out of place.
	Again, I don't mind heated Aggressive debate and conversation.
	That's perfectly fine.
	But when it reached that level, it was just so absolutely out of place.
	You begin to look for why did this happen?
	What is the pressure that created that language, that created that body posture?
	What are they dealing with?
	What are they burdened with?
	That promotes that kind of behavior.
	And you start looking. Honestly, you start looking.
	You try to find out what's going on.
	And I think the Dominion connection and the Bob List connection, I think that could be low-hanging fruit.
	And I say that honestly and sincerely and tenderly and compassionately.
	There's things wrong in every church.
	There's no perfect church. There's no perfect pastor.
	There's no perfect Christian.
	So we're going to find that.
	We're going to find that. And that's not a biased process.
	It's not a judgmental process.
	It's an analytical process.
	It's a reasonable, logical process that when you know that there can be weaknesses, you look for where they're at.
	And when things go really wrong, you look for why.
	King Solomon said in the Proverbs that he went by the vineyard of the slothful.
	And he looked and he observed.
	It was all overgrown.
	The wall was broken down.
	And he stopped and he considered.
	And he began to say, a little folding of the hands to sleep.
	A little slumber.
	He began to describe that laziness is what brought down this house.
	He drove by it, so to speak, and looked at it and said, what in the world is going on here?
	This home is falling apart.
	Why is it falling apart?
	He stopped and considered why it was a mess.
	And he came to the right conclusion that laziness had produced the degradation of this home.
	So when things go wrong, and indeed that night, it went way off the mark.
	So what causes that?
	Was I some kind of little stinker?
	Did I make a fuss and Charlie can't handle a stinker?
	No. He can handle all kinds of heat.
	He gets heat thrown at him all the time.
	He thrives on that.
	I'm not saying it's a bad thing.
	So he has a taste for that kind of heat, for confrontation.
	Not necessarily contention, but confrontation.
	Rigorous and strong debate.
	So he's not adverse to that.
	So why this?
	Why Why was he compelled to deny a meeting with me because he thought I was a fad?
	How does it come to that?
	What's the influence?
	What's the pressure pointing him in that direction?
	Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh.
	So something's in the heart.
	Something is weighing there, burdening him there, that directed his speech in that way.
	And so it was so out of the ordinary, it makes you ask the question, what in the world is going on?
	You're looking for influence.
	You're looking for pressure.
	The classic pressure, the universal pressure, is money.
	The Bible says, for the love of money is the root of all evil.
	Pride. We will defend ourselves even though we know we're wrong.
	We won't admit that we're wrong just because we want to be right.
	I mean, we have many different mechanisms that pressure us into denial, into escapism, Into rejection.
	And whatever it may be, there's just something that's there.
	I think it's a reasonable thing to look at the issue of dominion's influence with that.
	I think that's a reasonable thing.
	I don't think it's far-fetched.
	And you know a responsible person would would dig into that and ask questions about it All right guys for this episode I wanted to do a little after blood money closing bit
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