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Oct. 1, 2023 - Blood Money

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Disrupting Pharma Control Over Medicine w/ Dr. Robert Seik

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	All right, we're on the latest episode of Blood Money.
	Today we have a very special guest, Dr.
	Robert Seek. How are you doing, sir?
	I'm good, Vam. How are you? Good, good.
	Thank you so much for coming on the Blood Money Podcast.
	We were actually hanging out yesterday and you're telling me a little bit about your background in terms of right now you run a pharmacy, that's what you're known for, but you have a much deeper extensive background in terms of your knowledge with pharmaceutical products, You know, ingredients and that sort of thing.
	So could you kind of tell us a little bit about your background and how that all brought you to where you are today?
	Yeah, like we discussed yesterday, I'll give the audience kind of a quick review.
	Yes, I'm a pharmacist.
	I own a pharmacy. It's a compounding pharmacy.
	It's in Las Vegas. And what that means is most of the stuff that we do has to be made on site.
	We need prescriptions for it.
	And one of the big things that's made compounding pharmacy has been hormone replacement therapy.
	So yes, I went to pharmacy school, Pittsburgh, PA, Duquesne University.
	I did work a few years in pharmacy.
	But to be honest with you, something bothered me about this profession that I just spent six years getting a degree for.
	And I'm working in a typical chain drugstore and I just noticed that the older the patients were coming in, the customers, the more medications they were on.
	And that really bothered me.
	I'm like, wait a minute. We're dependent on these man-made chemicals to maintain our health.
	Something isn't right. And I didn't like it.
	But at that time, living in Pennsylvania, job offers came in for where I live now and have since 1997.
	Can I ask real quick, what year was that?
	I graduated in 95 and in 97...
	It's just Las Vegas was recruiting and growing so rapidly that pharmacist wages were so much higher than Pennsylvania that I moved.
	And I thought Las Vegas would be the place I would live for a few years before I used it as a springboard to another place.
	But nope, I've been here over 25 years.
	Wow. And I did work for a retail pharmacy.
	Still didn't really like it. So I wanted to get into the drug industry.
	Talk about going to the dark side.
	I worked a sales job for a few years, and that's an easy lifestyle.
	So back in that time, let's call it 1999, this is before time-day GPS stamp of your car and your iPad as a salesman.
	The work week was called the 5T work week, Tuesday, Thursday, 10 to 2, 5Ts.
	And it was a good lifestyle.
	In fact, I still worked part-time as a pharmacist.
	And had the job. I did get a job with just a regular, good old-fashioned drug company.
	Worked for Sharing, the makers of Claritin and Nasonex, and I had the stuffed little baseball.
	It was a great gig that I gave away.
	But I got a job then with a drug company that was a biotech company.
	So biotech typically means more complicated therapeutics, more expensive therapeutics.
	And that was, again, a sales job.
	I liked that even more because I didn't have to deal with samples, dropping off samples.
	Hey, Doc, can you sign for this? And it was more complicated.
	So that was more in tune to my intellectual side.
	And then the company said, wait a minute, Robert, with your pharmacy degree, we don't use...
	You're kind of people for sales jobs.
	We have a role called the Medical Science Liaison, and a position in the West just opened up.
	And there were two drugs the biotech company had purchased from Amgen.
	So that's a well-known company.
	And these were focused on infectious disease, virology.
	And they said medical science liaisons call on the top university centers for clinical trials, drugs that we have in study that may have a drug already on the market, but the company says, well, the drug has already indicated and approved for this one diagnosis, but we're going to look at it for something different, or we're going to change the dosing.
	And that's called expanding the label or adding And, hey, I had 35 clinical trial sites, really the best territory, I think, in the country because, gosh, I was calling on sharp-reached DLA, Scripps in San Diego, UCLA, Cedars-Sinai.
	I had to go up to Washington, Oregon.
	I mean, the Western United States was my territory, and I did that for over 10 years.
	And then during that time, I knew that the drug we were researching was going to fail to meet its endpoint.
	It was an antiviral drug for hepatitis C. It had the greatest slope of viral decay.
	So when you're looking at the viral load, the number being really high, the steeper the slope that it goes down, the better.
	So great slope of viral decay, but it had a lot of side effects.
	Our dropout rate in the trial was high, and we knew, all of us on the science team, there's no way this thing is going to have this statistical power for FDA. And they did.
	But I knew this two years in advance.
	So I had bought with a partner, and I'm the only owner now, a compounding pharmacy.
	So when this bottom fell out, instead of continuing to look for a job in the biotech industry, I've been running my compounding pharmacy since 2005, but 2008 full time.
	And that's the general part of my background.
	And then just starting there in 2008, how much I educated and trained myself on whatever you want to call this spectrum.
	Alternative medicine, nutritional medicine, health and wellness.
	I call it Medicine 2.0 because it seems as though Medicine 1.0, I mean, you don't have to go far.
	You can watch some of our past Blood Money episodes, literally titled Medicine 1.0, Medicine 2.0, those terms in the title somewhere.
	And those episodes are really about what a mess Medicine 1.0 is.
	Kind of the things that you started realizing in 97, which is really impressive, that, hey, we're just putting all these chemical compounds in people, encouraging it as opposed to using it as a healing mechanism.
	And all the corruption that entails.
	I mean, does that have anything to do with the fact that you decided to start your own compounding pharmacy to kind of pave your own path?
	Or was that more of an entrepreneurial decision for you?
	Well, the truth is the decision was my graveyard partner.
	When I worked pharmacy, I worked in the graveyards because I could work seven days on, seven days off, which means another guy was working the graveyard shift on my opposite seven days.
	Okay. He called me up and said, hey, Robert, compounding pharmacy is going to grow because this is when Suzanne Somers wrote her first book on after breast cancer, how great she felt going on hormonal replacement therapy.
	He says, I think it's going to boom.
	And I said, you know what, David, let's go because I know how to do the sales thing.
	What do drug companies do? They put a bunch of doctors in a room, they give them a seminar, they have a chicken or a steak dinner, and then they go and they do use the products.
	I said, that's Pharma Industry Marketing 101, let's go.
	And so it was an entrepreneurial effort to begin because I thought, well, as I'm researching this, and I'm a cynical pharmacist, right?
	And I have a slide presentation with the title, Confessions of a Former Pharma Man, so the Pharmaceutical Researchers Manufacturers Association.
	That's the acronym, but everybody knows what pharma means.
	And I said, you know, when I look at just replacing hormones in men or women, Here's three slides, probably 30 symptoms associated with hormone deficiency as we age.
	And as I click through those three slides and 30 symptoms, I can pick four, five, six different prescription drugs to address those symptoms.
	You have the depression, you have the lack of energy, the lack of sleep, all of these things, hot flashes.
	Or I could solve virtually every single one of these problems with hormones and And that was my first aha moment.
	I remember back to when I was an intern.
	People in their 60s are taking six different medications.
	This isn't right. So then I expanded.
	While allopathic physicians, so I distinguish between the naturopathic doctors, a lot of your osteopaths, chiropractors, they have a ton more training on nutritional medicine, health and wellness than your standard allopaths.
	And pharmacy school training is the allopathic model too.
	Which basically means, well, a prescription drug, what we call a new molecular entity that has never been in the human body before, but a man-made entity, we're going to use this and do clinical studies and show that it works for these particular symptoms.
	And people call that alternative medicine, alternative to what we can do Naturally, we can start with natural health and wellness even before we swallow any herb or tincture.
	So I did a long fellowship with a group called the A4M, the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine.
	And that's where I got my fellowship in metabolic and nutritional medicine.
	And I've studied everything from various diets.
	What can we do to be healthy and well?
	And when I look at myself and my goal, I'm a treatment consultant, right?
	So physicians call me up and say, Robert, I really don't know about this hormone therapy, but I know that you're a resource in Las Vegas.
	Can I ask you some questions about it?
	I want to start learning this.
	Okay, I can do that. They can go get trained themselves, but until then, I can help them because I got trained first.
	And in, you know, recent years with the COVID, hey, Robert, I know that there's some evidence out there and an abundance really.
	Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, these can really help acute COVID patients with prevention.
	Can you tell me a little bit more about it?
	Do you have it available? And I never tell the doctors what to prescribe, what to do, but they made their own decisions.
	So I look at my role as consultative based on what the research shows, not just, yeah, send me the prescription.
	I'm happy to sell it to you. No, I need to know stuff.
	And then that dips everyone's toe in the water to say, you know what, doc, you can do a lot with vitamins too.
	They say, what do you mean? Well, check out these recent articles just on keeping someone's vitamin D level high.
	Yeah, but Robert, that's just a vitamin.
	And there you go.
	And that has...
	It's just a vitamin meaning that it's not a pharmaceutical compound.
	It's too easy. It's too much in the generic.
	You can't patent it.
	You can't make a whole ton of money by patenting it.
	I mean, that's kind of where this is going.
	That's exactly right.
	That's why I, you know, cynically use the term.
	Well, I've had many physicians, old school doctors, not a lot of the modern doctors, they're waking up fast and they're saying, tell me more about vitamin D. Where 15 years ago, it was, Robert, stop telling me about vitamin D. That's just a vitamin.
	So I would put in my presentation to doctors.
	Okay, doctor, here are things I'm going to tell you about vitamin D that are backed up by then 48 studies, most of them pushed by the Harvard School of Public Health, where you can have an optimal vitamin D level.
	The Harvard School of Public Health will say 70 to 90.
	It's measured in nanomoles per liter.
	And that optimal level We'll give you 50% risk reduction in colon cancer, 50% risk reduction in breast cancer, 50% risk reduction in prostate cancer, reduces risk of diabetes, decreases insulin resistance.
	That's the mechanism. It also prevents very, very well respiratory and viral illnesses.
	Harvard School of Public Health.
	So that's not voodoo medicine.
	That's not quackery. And to be honest with you, vitamin D supplement is amazing.
	The average in Nevada, the sunny state where we live here, It has a vitamin D level of 33.
	So we need it to be 70 to 90 for the optimal benefits.
	And to be honest, vitamin D is free.
	So before I recommend anyone take a supplement, which has a lot of value, get in the sun.
	You have to expose more than your arms and neck, okay?
	You don't want to burn or get the skin damaged.
	Get in the early morning or the evening sun.
	If you can, walk on the ground barefoot.
	Pick up electrons. I mean, there's a reason why the Sphinx faces east.
	A number of reasons, right?
	And why it's in the Sphinx position.
	And people, even many medical practitioners, look at me and say, I can't believe what a profound impact This has on health and what did we see during COVID? The number one thing we can measure that prevents you from getting COVID is having a high vitamin D level.
	If you get COVID, what keeps you out of the hospital?
	A very important factor, a high vitamin D level.
	If you're in the hospital, what prevents What prevents you from dying?
	Those who had a high vitamin D level did better than those who had a low vitamin D level.
	So that's a pretty consistent thing.
	That's three different, you know, items that we look at where vitamin D was proven to be crucially important for all of them.
	Well, you know, I want to give a little background to the viewers so we could, you know, put these pieces of the puzzle together, right?
	So, you know, for the viewer that's not aware, again, we have a lot of blood money episodes on this.
	Our medical industrial complex right now is very much influenced by the rocker fillers.
	That's correct, right, Robert?
	Absolutely. And, you know, they had an agenda and their agenda was more petroleum chemical paste, right?
	And so what's happened is, you know, an example, Robert, that you give like, you know, 15 years ago, if you said vitamin D to a doctor, they would have looked at you like you're saying something kooky or nonsensical is really based upon the paradigm that was created by the Rockefeller family.
	What we call medicine 1.0 where it was chemical based and doctors were led to believe that a lot of these natural items are no good for you.
	But now I think we're starting to realize that a lot of these natural items are really good for you and the reason why they're getting kept away from us.
	And I won't just say natural because Because there's other things that are in the generic like Ivermectins and the hydroxychloroquine that have been around for a long time that they can't necessarily make maximum dollars out of by holding a patent that they then try to discourage because they're trying to sell you their expensive stuff, even though the really cheap stuff and or the free stuff like vitamin D is really the cornerstone of keeping your I mean, would that be a correct way to present the big picture?
	That's absolutely correct. The big picture.
	Let me take you on an arc.
	I'm not going to make too long, but it's going to be long because you're obviously familiar and your viewers are familiar with the Flexner Report that was used by the Rockefellers.
	They colluded to destroy medicine at the time in the United States.
	This is early 20th century.
	And if you look at medical school education in the 19th century, It was homeopathy, herbology, manipulation.
	There was all sorts of things.
	Let me make a quick little point there.
	Again, at a time when cancer was a lot less, a lot of the ailments that we suffer from today was a lot less.
	And it's interesting how when that was taken away and now we go with this chemical lifestyle, pharma, a lot of those ailments seem to be dramatically on the rise.
	I mean, dramatically. It's not even like a little tick upwards.
	It is. I get a lot of questions about this.
	Robert, what's causing more cancers?
	What's causing hormones to be depleted?
	What's causing this? It's never one thing.
	It's an accumulation of things over time that are just as much as could be as simple as introducing fluoride into our water system.
	The pesticides that we spray on our foods.
	And it's also the fact that we actually get less sun time.
	It's the fact that we live more stressful lives.
	It's blue light exposure from screens.
	It's electromagnetic fields from Wi-Fi and toxic cell phone radiation.
	All of those things have incremental negative effects on the health.
	So we have to start to swing the pendulum the other way, which is what What I'm really passionate about, everything that I can learn and recommend to people even before they buy anything, any prescription or any vitamin, things that we can all do, because let's face it, not everybody can afford, say, $200 worth a month of vitamins, which based on how nutrient depleted our soil is, and even if you eat all organic, gosh, you know, the still recommendation is five vegetables a day and two fruits a day.
	Who gets that? I don't get that.
	So I look at supplements as what should be just a supplement to an already healthy diet, not my only micronutrient tank.
	But, you know, I think medicine is going to change from this old model that became the Rockefeller model, which was, they were introduced to this by German industrialists.
	There's a company, if you really want to dig before the Rockefellers, called IG Farben.
	And IG stands for, two letters for one German word, Interessica Mineshaft.
	Which means of common interests.
	So industrialists get together and say, well, you own chemical companies and you own newspapers and you own and donate to universities.
	So here's what we're going to do. We're all going to own shares in each other's companies.
	And we're just going to maximize how to make money together because that's our common interest.
	What if, I mean, there's some books that really look at this.
	You know, there's a book called The German War on Cancer.
	Or the Nazi, I'm sorry, The Nazi War on Cancer.
	That's a citizen, not a war on cancer.
	They created cancer to create chemotherapy and oncology.
	And at the same time, things like the Flexner Report, creation of the AMA dominated by Rockefellers, just has made us forget in a little over 100 years the way that cancer usually, it really wasn't a big issue.
	And now that it is, well, we only use the chemotherapy agents.
	So let me fast forward to what I believe we're going to see.
	There's something that occurred.
	So in 2003, I did my MBA. And the premise of my MBA was, well, in 2003, I'm looking at the patent cliff for the pharmaceutical industry by 2010.
	And what that meant was that by 2010, 18 of the top 20 selling drugs, drugs that you swallow, pills, of all time would be off patent.
	Drugs like all of your cholesterol, drugs like Lipitor, Mevacorn, Pravacorn.
	All of your, what we call the proton pump, your acid-blocking drugs like Prilosec, and the ones before that we call the H2 antagonists, Tagamet, Zantac.
	Those are all over the camera.
	But they were the top, top-selling drugs.
	Tagamet from SmithKline was the first one billion dollar a year drug.
	First billion dollar drug.
	But when this small molecule chemistry is pretty easy, you don't need like, well, we got this blood pressure drug that this next one is kind of similar to this next one to kind of extend the patent presence of the company.
	But when you have the drugs that go generic and they become very cheap, well, there's really not a need for the next, you know, third generation PPI. You know, they get from Prilosec to Nexium, but now they're all off patent.
	And Nexium was a little bit different, but all it did with it was extend the AstraZeneca's You know, presence in that patentable industry.
	So the pharmaceutical companies, their whole organization, Pharma, knew that this patent was coming.
	And I predicted in my book, which I've never published, I told you last night, I should really get around to it because it's changed.
	We'll update it. They would have to change to what?
	Protein-based drugs, which are drugs that are molecules so big, you can't swallow them.
	You have to inject them. And look at the drugs that are advertised on television now and even Netflix or Hulu.
	You've got drugs like what we call the immune response motivators, Ember, Enbrel, Cosentix.
	Those drugs have to be injected under the skin.
	Now we have the GLP-1, GLP-2 agonists for diabetes or obesity, Ozemkin.
	You know, those things, I'll just be very open to you.
	My acquisition cost of each one of those two drugs is $1,000 for a month's supply.
	Whereas a month's supply now of a diabetes drug that's very common called metformin, a month's supply costs me, really, maybe $5.
	Five dollars. That's my cost.
	Wow. Wow. So essentially they're doing this really to, I mean, it's not about, hey, this drug's better for your health.
	It's really about extending their patent, making more money.
	And it seems like the health is kind of a secondary concern.
	Their first duty is to share holders.
	And what I did not predict very well, but I mentioned in kind of like my MBA thesis was that the drug industry would have to expand its presence in vaccines.
	And I never really followed it very closely.
	But if you just look at this, I was born in 1971.
	And the childhood vaccination program by the time I was 18 was 12 doses of vaccines.
	12. Today, the average American child receives 26 doses of vaccines in the first two years of life.
	26 doses.
	That's a lot more vaccines.
	These things are highly profitable for the drug company.
	So where I think medicine is going to end up, we talked briefly about the future of medicine last night.
	I think we are going to see a number of repurposed drugs.
	I'm not saying that everything pharmaceutical, everything It's bad because look at Ivermectin.
	It was a drug by Merck and four men shared the Nobel Prize in science and medicine in 2015 for their work on Ivermectin.
	So drugs like Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, we're going to find others that have so much value, but that list is going to be short, that have extraordinary value, maybe 50, maybe 100 drugs.
	We're also going to see lifestyle changes, people adopting, actually getting outside.
	I said contact with the ground and sunshine.
	Drinking clear water, getting toxins out of their environment, so more organic foods, less traditionally grown foods.
	People are understanding the importance of exercise and of course nutritional supplements and herbs have a lot of value.
	So I see that as an integrative model, an integrative approach where I'm going to use and recommend as a consultant and somebody passionate about health and wellness, All of these things, if somebody just says to me, Robert, you're the pharmacist, and remember, I'm the free health consultant, right?
	All you got to do is pick up the phone or walk in the door.
	Could I ask you a question? And I want to give people as much information as I can so that they can be healthy and well, and it includes all of these things.
	Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, your approach, you know, if I walk into Walgreens or CVS, I mean, that's a very different, that's almost like the Rockefeller's dream in terms of what's available to that client base.
	But what you do in your compound pharmacy is a little bit different.
	You offer a lot of the things that you see at Walgreens and CVS. But because you create your own products and because you are going beyond the paradigm of what is the, you know, medicine 1.0, you have a lot more to offer.
	I mean, could you elaborate on that?
	Yeah, well, chain drugstores, Walgreens, CVS, Walmart, they do carry a lot of nutritional supplements.
	I carry ones too, you know, A lot of mine are more professional-level brands because the companies I buy from will not sell to big-box retail.
	In terms of the prescription dispensing, I could purchase, stock, and dispense the same kind of drugs that those chain drug stores do, but I don't.
	And it's not necessarily out of the fact that I have a conscience about it because I would be encouraging people that are on, say, antidepressants, hey, have you ever talked to your doctor about maybe weaning off and Because your depression that you might be feeling is not a Prozac deficiency.
	There's something else going on with your neurotransmitters.
	You know, I can work with your doctor or work with you to maybe reset that over time without catacly telling somebody, go off of the Prozac.
	It's junk. But it's things like that.
	But the truth is, in independent pharmacy like I have, I can't take insurance.
	Not just that I don't, but I cannot.
	Because if I took insurance, just like a Walgreens or CVS, I would actually lose money on four out of five claims.
	And why isn't it? Well, the drug insurances are provided by companies we call the PBMs, Prescription Benefit Managers.
	The largest PBM is called Caremark, which is owned by CVS drugstores.
	The next two PBMs are de facto owned by Walgreens.
	There's a gentleman who has board seats.
	On the Walgreens Boots merger, and also board seats on Express Scripts and OptumRx, one of them bought by United Healthcare recently.
	Now, those are the next two BBMs in size.
	That's the other name, Stefano Pesina, for those who want to do the investigations.
	Board seats on all. And Walmart owns Humana, which is the fourth largest PBM. Those four PBMs control 80% of the claims.
	So here's the example. If I buy a drug, say an anti-inflammatory drug called Maloxicam, my cost to buy 30 tablets is $16.
	CVS, Walgreens probably buy the same drug for $12 because they have better buying power.
	My reimbursement for that drug I paid $16 for is only going to be $12.
	But Caremark is going to reimburse CVS drugs Oh, wow.
	And there is talk about antitrust and this is discriminatory pricing.
	But I mean, come on. Congress begins with CON for a reason.
	In my opinion, there's only one party.
	And the last time we've seen an antitrust case was the Reagan era.
	And it's just not going to happen.
	So I don't take insurance.
	It's all cash dispensing.
	I do very little traditional dispensing, which is why my own pharmacy practice is one of those integrative practices.
	It's some of the drugs that are repurposed for cash.
	It's hormone replacement therapy that I make.
	And that's really my best use of my space is my ComCounting lab.
	And we do a lot more than just the hormones, right?
	Stuff for pediatric disorders.
	We do veterinary medications.
	And then I do a lot with nutritional supplements and was really busy answering a lot of questions during the peak time of COVID, too.
	Wow. Well, I mean, the level of corruption is insane.
	I mean, you're talking about this ridiculous amount of money that CVS and these other big box retailers are getting essentially for the same products through the insurance companies.
	I mean, that just solidifies.
	It's like really, to me, it sounds like bribery and corruption.
	Like the fact that you're doing basically what is dictated to be done, you're part of our corrupt little lane and hence you're going to be rewarded for that.
	Well, the chain drug stores, they knew they had to get into the PBM game.
	Because remember, with all the drugs going off patent and going generic, for major pharmaceutical companies, it's like, oh my gosh, we don't have any more patentable drugs to introduce, right?
	The retail drugstores, they know that those generic drugs are super cheap and so do the PBMs.
	So they really press down the price.
	You can see it was a land grab for them to go buy those PBMs.
	So now your top four PBMs are owned by your drugstores.
	But there's another layer.
	So the title of your show is Blood Money.
	You mentioned corruption. I wonder how many people know about this that I'm going to take you through right now.
	Rebates. Let's say you have a branded drug.
	Let's pick a category.
	I was in the world of hepatitis C. Hepatitis C is treated very well with oral drugs now, but in the time I was in clinical research, it was injectable interferons.
	And there were only two companies that competed in the market.
	My company would have introduced a third one, but the drug failed to meet endpoint.
	But two companies controlled that whole business in the United States, and we only still cured hepatitis C in 30% of the people that were treated.
	But if you're a PBM and company number one, it was Roche and Sherry, I'm going to mention their names.
	Roche comes to you. You're the PBM director, Vim, and said, listen, we know that you have to have both drugs available to your patients, but we're going to make you a deal.
	If you can guarantee us by pushing through your reimbursement algorithms, through pharmacy, co-pays, and things like that, that our drug is preferred formulary, so if patients only have a $25 co-pay, Make the other company, our competitor, make theirs a $100 company.
	Because we want to drive patients to complain to their doctor and say, look, the one you wrote for me is not preferred.
	The other one's preferred. Can I switch it?
	And everybody will switch to the cheaper one.
	And then you'll say, as the head of the PBM, say, okay, well, what am I getting to say?
	Look, if you make 80% market share of that, all those injectable drugs and hepatitis C, but 80% of that comes to us, Dude, we're going to give you a rebate at the end of the year that's equivalent to $200 for every dispensing.
	And those rebates would amount to millions, tens of millions of dollars that never go to the bottom line on the PBM as far as accounting.
	They go to executive compensation.
	So PBMs can't go to employers.
	You have 5,000 employees.
	It's going to cost you them $150 a month to cover your employees at the drug plant.
	You know what? I'm the PBM. It's not my fault.
	Drugs are so expensive. Never revealing to you that, thanks for signing your patients up.
	You have 5,000 patients.
	You're paying me $150 a month per patient, per employee to manage your drug plan.
	And what I'm not going to do is I'm not going to tell you about the $25 million rebate that I'm getting manufactured because I control what's called the formulary in the background.
	So does that sound like corruption to you?
	Yeah, yeah. And, you know, you're mentioning Congress, you know, it starts with the CON. Like, you know, The thing that I've always struggled with, right, people expect Congress to step in and their job would be to launch an antitrust lawsuit, right?
	That's their job as Congress.
	They're supposed to keep things in check.
	And why is that impossible?
	Have you thought about why it's impossible and they don't, Congress doesn't do anything, Robert?
	So before we talk about corporations, I'm sure this audience has heard about the US corporations.
	So whether or not you have 100% believers in all of that, let's just talk about corporations and being responsible to their shareholders.
	So sometimes I don't have direct knowledge about certain things.
	I do, but I've gathered enough information.
	So let me tell you what I've gathered.
	In Washington, D.C., you have a very We're good to go.
	There's a very short list that is common amongst all of our super wealthy politicians that get paid, what?
	$140,000 or $170,000 a year, but they come out multi-millionaires.
	Why is that? They make loads and loads of money on their investment portfolio.
	So what is in that area, that cesspool of foreign territory we call DC? You got the investment advisors, you have the lobbyists, you have the FDA that's the gatekeeper for the drug companies.
	So what I see is a big circle of influence that corrupts with money.
	In my opinion, it's de facto bribery.
	Hey, you don't want to launch a case investigating how toxic this drug was or how many people were killed because here's what we'll do.
	We'll have a little fund we set aside and we'll compensate those people so you don't need to feel so bad.
	But man, if that stock price went down, you've got to remember, Mr.
	Congressman, that's going to affect the value of your portfolio.
	And you might not be so much of a multi-millionaire anymore.
	You have a lot of stock options in that company.
	So you have a vested interest in this drug getting lots.
	It's not just the stock. It's the stock options, which are sometimes given to politicians or they get them cheap.
	So that's just a very simplified summary of why Congress is influenced by the money, and if they all are sharing the same short list of investment advisors, who are they influenced by?
	Because the pharmaceutical companies The pharmaceutical lobby, I think, is changing in its rank as far as its dollar power in Washington.
	Some years it's number one, some years it's number three.
	So you've got pharmaceuticals, tobacco, alcohol combined, and the top three lobbies I think the defense might be behind those.
	The pharmaceutical lobby is so powerful.
	And why? Because they're protecting shareholders.
	When the shareholders are members of Congress, I mean, how can that not be a conflict of interest to obfuscate or even avoid investigations into ineffectiveness of drugs or even worse, toxicity of certain drugs?
	Because, well, that would hurt the value of one's portfolio, right?
	Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.
	So the other thing that I want to bring up in why, it's a stalemate.
	There's a stalemate between the different three branches of government doing their job, essentially.
	And I wanted to provide this kind of little tidbit as to why we can't get these obvious antitrust lawsuits that, I mean, it's not just this field.
	I mean, there's so many obvious antitrust lawsuits that are not pursued, right?
	The issue that I see there is you have essentially not only a Congress that is corrupted by money, I mean, most of them are essentially working for the same attorney industrial bar complex, what we call the bar complex, in terms of, you know, you have the legislature, which is like something like 75% lawyers making laws that ultimately benefit lawyers, right?
	So it doesn't seem to be top of mind, something like an antitrust lawsuit that would really shake things up.
	You know, I see a little bit of a conflict of interest there because you're supposed to have these different branches of government really You know, having checks and balances over each other, but how can you have checks and balances where you have two branches of government essentially filled with lawyers?
	Well, I agree with you 100%, and there's a couple different layers to that because when we talk about shareholders of these corporations, pharmaceutical companies, for example, the individual congressmen, the senators, the representatives, what if the US government itself or US government agencies are shareholders or partial patent holders in some of these technologies?
	You've seen the whistleblowers in the other shows that the US government is involved in some of the patent technology around The spike protein, the COVID-19 vaccine, BioNTech, lipid nanoparticle stuff.
	When the US government is a partial beneficiary because of its co-ownership of the patents, well, it's beyond antitrust.
	That could be potentially criminal because what a huge conflict of interest.
	So much for protecting the public.
	But then again, if the United States of America is functioning as a corporation itself, well, What are its duties?
	Its duties are to maximize profit for the shareholder, not necessarily protect the people.
	And that's where I think we are in many different ways and with your show too, exposing this corruption to get people to wake up and realize that those three branches of government, I don't see any of them actually working consistently for our own benefit, because if they were, We would see huge investigations into toxic drugs.
	We would see more and more antitrust against the fact that, wait a minute, there's monopolization in the prescription insurance industry.
	Wait a minute, it's a conflict of interest.
	It's a quasi-monopoly for chain drug stores to own the prescription benefit managers because what are they shooting at?
	Well, in one way, they're shooting at independent pharmacies because there's, I think, approximately still about 50,000 pharmacies in the country, and maybe 25,000 of them are the chain drug stores, maybe 30,000 would you at the grocery stores.
	That means there's still a significant number.
	That are independent pharmacies.
	So if you want to, like the game of risk, take more and more territory, you've got to figure out ways to crush those independent pharmacies.
	So what does it sound like to you?
	If an independent pharmacy loses money on four out of five claims, how fast do you think they're going to go out of business?
	It's going to be rapid. Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, you know, there's parallels to that too.
	Like Starbucks is one that comes to mind, to be honest with you.
	And I know this is like, I mean, it's a little bit of a stretch, but you had a situation there where essentially a lot of the small coffee shops were killed off because Starbucks as a corporation could essentially absorb a certain amount of loss for their specific store.
	So they would put stores right where you have the mom and pop place that was making a lot of money.
	They're able to absorb more losses.
	They basically get a war of attrition.
	They get rid of the little guys. And that happened where in the 90s, the coffee shops went from being largely independent to being largely corporate chains.
	Well, that's true. And let's talk about an acute lens looking at what happened during COVID with private practitioners.
	So I know a number of them.
	Doctors that practice privately on their own are the ones that are much more open-minded to integrative or alternative therapeutics.
	And why is that? Because they don't work for what I call doc in the box box checkers.
	I'll tell you what that means in a minute, but meaning corporate entities that employ dozens of physicians.
	And you have to abide by, if you're a practitioner there, you have to abide by the corporate approved treatment programs.
	So you have to, again, return shareholder value.
	And during COVID, I think I read a statistic where in one month alone, 10,000 private practice physicians I don't know what the total number was.
	Private practice doctors that closed their offices and they have to go work for, well, now what I call the expensive box checkers because here's something to watch out for.
	It's not necessarily an ominous warning because I don't want to be the doom and gloom guy.
	I think it's good to know what's potentially coming on the horizon for the entire public and for any medical practitioner that's listening to the show too, to just be aware and say, oh, that might be right.
	I'm going to put a stop to it.
	Here's the it. Private practice doctors go out of business.
	A lot of them went to go work for telehealth companies.
	That's very good. But many of them had to go work for what I call the doctor-in-the-box corporate medical centers, which are big buildings where you have, you know, 20, 30 doctors working.
	And do you have the freedom to practice when your paycheck comes from a corporation as opposed to your own self?
	No, you don't have that freedom. So what if you didn't want to push certain vaccines before you would?
	What if your, you know, now this physician corporation, this medical corporation, gets incentives or rebates for pushing certain diagnostics or pushing certain therapeutics?
	What if that's involved? And then I call them expensive box checkers to just get my peers that happen to be physicians, just to get them to think, because I like to drop little bits of humor, which might be acerbic at some times, and say, how do you like that gentleman?
	How do you like your job?
	How do you like your job? I use a little bit of acerbic wit and say, when's the last time you laid your hands on a patient?
	Because I know that Merritt-Hawkins data, that's a big research firm, shows that the average primary care visit in the United States is 7.6 minutes.
	So when's the last time you've checked for bowel sounds or reflexes?
	How much information can you get from a patient when you talk for 7.6 minutes?
	I know they fill out that big chart before they come in.
	And then you're sitting at a desk, not even looking at the patient, looking at the electronic medical record, Asking questions, still without looking at the patient, clicking boxes, clicking boxes, clicking boxes, spits out the ICD-10 diagnosis code.
	Then that corporate EMR, that electronic medical platform said, well, these are the acceptable treatments.
	You click the treatments. Hey, you've only got 7.6 minutes.
	You've got to get the patient.
	Otherwise, you're king of the odds.
	You're king of the odds. You're king of the odds.
	Dude, you're too slow.
	Where do you want your prescription sent?
	And this is what it's boiled down to.
	The 7.6 minute is it where a patient gets a complaint about one problem and they get two prescriptions.
	And that's been an incredible change, I think, in a bad way that is disconnecting patients from physicians.
	And where I think this is going to end up is that we are at the maximum in that spectrum.
	Sorry, it's a little muffled sounding for some reason.
	Let's say that pendulum for bad medicine.
	I think we're there.
	I think the public awareness and the medical practitioner awareness is there.
	And we're going to start to now see it slide the other way, where we will have medical practitioners integrate more therapeutics, spend more time with their patients.
	We're going to have patients that reject that FAPA model.
	I don't want to be prescribed medications to stay healthy.
	I'm going to go do Better things.
	I think we're right there now where we're going to start to see this switch.
	What about you? Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, let's talk a little bit about what causes that cause that pendulum.
	I mean, going back to this idea, okay, you know, the viewers take our word for the United States is a corporation.
	How you can find out that the United States is a corporation?
	They're under Dun& Bradstreet, right?
	As a corporation, okay?
	It's a corporation located in Washington, D.C. This corporation has a CEO. And that CEO is the president, right?
	Now, that corporation is invested directly into pharmaceutical companies, right?
	And we know this. I mean, Robert, you and I were looking at some, you know, papers yesterday where it's like something like $1.2 billion was invested into, I guess, the creation of COVID, the spike proteins.
	Is that correct? Am I stating that correctly?
	Well, what we talked about is you can go to Crunchbase and you can follow the startup of Moderna, you know, the modern R&A company.
	You can follow their startup and who all the investors were.
	So that's one rabbit hole if you roll people down.
	Who invested in Moderna, right?
	Then when you look later at their additional rounds on Crunchbase of financing and how much of the money either came directly from Organizations associated with, say, the U.S. military or proxy organizations that would be under entities like DARPA or DTRA, Defense Threat Reduction Agency.
	And that's where we found the $1.2 billion.
	It could be up to $1.5 billion just from our military industrial complex to invest in Moderna.
	So if it's all one corporation that has these different divisions, you talked about the three branches and one of the divisions is I think there's a lot of good guys in the military, but you definitely have an old corporate component of that military that I think is quickly dissolving that had a vested interest in Moderna's success.
	And that success would mean the deployment of the vaccine, among other things.
	So talk about conflict of interest.
	Yeah, so that's a picture I was trying to paint, essentially.
	So you have your CEO, in this case, the CEO of this U.S. corporation is Joseph Biden, right?
	And so when Joseph Biden goes out there and essentially he's playing the role of a vaccine jab salesman, he's telling you, you have to get this, right?
	And, you know, what they cost 140 bucks a pop, he's telling you, you got to buy this, you got to buy this, it's life and death, you know what I mean?
	Like there's so much ridiculous conflict of interest there, right?
	You're basically the CEO of the company that is invested into this product that then you are pushing this product regardless whether it's good for you or not.
	That is just bananas.
	That's right. Is that correct?
	How I'm like listing everything of like what their ulterior motives are to basically play the role of salespeople when they are invested into these firms?
	It's exactly right.
	And we mentioned one politician yesterday who would surprise everyone.
	You can say the name if you want to share with your group or not.
	Please do. Okay. So, you know, it was discovered Rand Paul and his wife had investment interests.
	In some of these companies that performed extremely well during COVID. Now, they might say, well, I just hired my investment advisor and I'm not really aware of the companies that are in the portfolio.
	I'm just aware that my portfolio really grew.
	They might say that. I haven't heard them say that.
	But what I go back to is, now wait a minute, you know, Senator Paul, there was a big show.
	Of him arguing with Anthony S. Fauci, right?
	It's a big show. And we've talked about some of the patents Fauci holds and the millions that he made.
	But was that a show?
	Was that to show the public that, you know, hey, we're really going to go after this guy?
	But what I didn't hear was calls for a much deeper investigation.
	I didn't hear calls for Anthony Fauci to resign.
	I didn't hear calls for Anthony Fauci to be fired.
	And then I didn't hear that.
	And then, you know, we all learned that, well, many of these members of Congress, they make their money from their investment for polios based on the success of the companies.
	And no matter what they might say in these little arguments, I mean, does it really matter?
	Because the public protection of what medicine is, is controlled in a lot of ways by the major advertisers.
	And at the time I did my MBA thesis in 2003, 60% of all primetime television advertising expenditure Not necessarily 60% of all the minutes, because some minutes after some shows are more valuable than others, but 60% of all dollars spent during primetime television advertising in the United States in 2003 was from various pharmaceutical companies.
	60%. Now, we have all learned over the years about propaganda and brain entrainment and conditioning.
	So if you wanted to condition an entire population of patients and practitioners of what medicine is, put it up on a screen.
	30-second nuggets and repeat it over and over and over.
	I'm not really on Netflix or Hulu or any of those.
	I don't use any of those anymore.
	Our family video time is watching videos and podcasts like this and some other favorite stuff that we have.
	There's very little TV that I like.
	I buy the shows so I don't have to hear the ads.
	But if you have to hear the ads, I'm just amazed at how many are still Drug company ads.
	And you can only do that if the profit margin for your pharmaceutical that you're pushing is extraordinary.
	It's pretty crazy. It's pretty crazy.
	So you're hopeful that with the sort of things that you're doing and others that your contemporaries are doing, we're going to be able to pave this road to Medicine 2.0.
	That's hopefully going to be more about preventative care, using a lot of more tools at our disposal as opposed to the traditional methods.
	Do you think that's on Is this going to come to fruition?
	And if it does, how long does this take?
	Is it like in 10 years we're looking at this, you know, better system?
	Well, I would only be guessing if I gave you an estimate.
	I really do think it's a decade change, and I think we're going to make some significant changes in the next four years because the public awareness, like I said, that pendulum, the tipping point of where people say, I want to reject this and look at something else.
	I want to look at another type of medicine.
	Well, the resources for that, be it by telemedicine or alternative minded practitioners, those are starting to grow and grow rapidly.
	And if you look at younger generations, okay, so I'm a Gen Xer, and if you look at some Millennials and Generation Z after that, I don't know that that generation is going to be as open to the pure pharmaceutical model as people that say lived during its major rise, people who were young adults in the 1950s and 60s.
	Because that's when mothers were told, oh, you don't want to breastfeed your baby.
	You've got to use formula.
	It's so much better. Hey, my doctor smokes camels because he says those are the ones that are safe.
	Those were the propaganda ads of the day.
	And I don't think the younger generations are going to be so susceptible to that, although I have some concern about the use of antidepressants and anxiolytics, and I hope the wake-up is going to be driven, you know, by those people that are in the younger portion of the population, because those people who are Medicare age, it's so few. That is the age of the person, you know, 65, 70 years old that says, well, my doctor said My doctor said I need to be on that.
	My doctor said I need to be on that.
	I'm going to do what my doctor said.
	That's their mode of thinking.
	But the other interesting things I think are going to happen beyond the stuff I like and I know the most, which is nutritional supplements, dietary change, organic foods.
	Exercising is you can go, I'll send you the link so you can have it for your audience and put it in this direct from the DARPA website.
	DARPA has done some really remarkable things.
	And when I read something, the title of an article or a research article that says bioelectronics for tissue generation.
	And what does that tell me?
	That tells me, if I look deep, we've heard about Doctors with the last names like Reich and Reif who have used frequency technologies.
	They were called quacks, frequency technologies for healing.
	But when you look at the fact that DARPA has on their own website bioelectronics, meaning certain frequencies or electronics that can actually speed and perhaps dramatically slow tissue healing if you have an injury.
	I think that's just scratching the surface.
	I think what really is under the surface as far as Patents that are held.
	I think there's a lot of good guys in the military.
	I just assume that I'm guessing the military through proxy organizations have a lot of patents that we're going to see slowly roll out.
	So when I see a tiny trickle of a couple different technologies, because there's also the use of acoustic technology.
	We use acoustic technology today.
	Doctors will tell you how they use acoustic technology to break up kidney cells.
	Can you use acoustic technology or other frequencies to do things like destroy bacteria or destroy parasites, maybe destroy cancer cells?
	I think we're going to see that because research has already been done in that regard.
	I think that's going to be a huge wave because what if you could go to a place and get a treatment for 45 minutes a few times a week and all of a sudden, poof, your cancer's gone because my dad had one.
	My dad passed away in 2019, but he didn't die of prostate cancer.
	He was diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2012.
	And at the time, I'll just give you, this technology is coming and it's already here and growing rapidly.
	At the time, the hometown doctor in Pennsylvania said, you're either going to have to have the TURP transurethral prostatectomy, so you never have an erection or take a good leak again, or we're going to put the radiation pellets there.
	And now you don't know if you have control of your colon the rest of your life.
	And who knows if these things actually work.
	So I researched a little bit and there's something called proton V therapy.
	At the time, the closest center for my dad to be treated was Loma Linda University.
	They explained that like, well, Robert, when guys get radiation, it's like shining a flashlight, you know, an old school flashlight into a campfire, you know, the beam goes wide and we have to get a certain amount of energy to where the cancer is.
	So we have all the body exposed to the energy on its way in and all the body exposed and the energy on its way out.
	That's why we keep changing the angle.
	We push this beam through so we don't damage so much tissue, but that's old radiation.
	Proton beam therapy works like fireworks.
	I said, what do you mean? You see a firework go up in the air, and you see this tiny, tiny little fizzle.
	But when it gets to its destination, that's when it releases all of its energy.
	And they said proton beam therapy for prostate cancer with a certain score that's below a certain number, you know, it wasn't severe, it wasn't going out of the capsule, had an 85% cure rate at five years.
	Okay, so this was 2012.
	Here we are a decade later.
	And there's many proton beam therapy centers around the country.
	And I think proton beam therapy is great.
	And they're exploring the research for other types of cancers because that's targeted therapy that's much better than old traditional radiation or that bad flashlight through your smoking campfire.
	But sneaking at the DARPA website, which I'll give you the link to, what other technologies are we going to find out in the next five years that are going to dramatically change?
	And what I really see is, look how toxic chemotherapy is.
	Let's just pick one thing. Chemotherapy is highly toxic, doesn't really work that well.
	Mm-hmm. Through the year 2010, researching all the chemotherapy drugs since the 1950s, we only advanced the five-year survival rate of cancer with all that toxic chemotherapy by 2%, by a measly 2%.
	And now you go 2012, my dad's getting proton beam therapy, which cured him, right?
	Cured him with prostate cancer.
	He got it different. Not caused by prostate cancer.
	It wasn't related, but he didn't have prostate cancer.
	You look at leaking out of the information of these other technologies that I think are going to come available.
	So what if you don't need chemotherapy ever again?
	Or what if you need far less chemotherapy?
	And that's just on the cancer side.
	So I have to be a perpetual optimist.
	I refuse to live under a dark cloud.
	And although I hope that we see it in our lifetime, all these dramatic changes, we may not.
	And that's okay, because my kids will.
	But by making your audience aware of this, we're going to have more people research.
	We're going to have more people demand this change and reject the old model.
	I think we're going to create the wave of change on our own by sharing this information.
	Yeah, and you're very different in your approach.
	I mean, one of the things we've heard from a lot of the frontline doctors that actually went against what the COVID narrative was for the mainstream media is that they did their own research, they kept educating themselves.
	And you have a similar story as far as you went to school for one thing, but then you kept your education going, which gave you the qualifications and the experience.
	To be able to dissect a lot of these, you know, different things like the vaccines, different medications, and you can talk a little bit about how you kept your education going throughout time that gave you the ability to decipher, you know, when something like the COVID vaccine hits and they're telling you a certain thing that, you know, you kind of figured out the truth based upon some of that experience.
	Well, the training in the drug industry was this.
	You know, when I got the job as a medical science liaison for a biotech company, I went to the chief medical officer I reported to, MD, MPH, Master of Public Health from Harvard, MBA from Cornell.
	I mean, lots of degrees.
	And I said, man, I was 10 years younger than my colleagues.
	And I said, do I have the capability for this job?
	He says, you absolutely have the capability.
	He said, but, you know, You haven't spent a lot of years before this in clinical research, so here's what you do.
	Here's these journal lists that you subscribe to.
	And I just became a voracious reader of scientific and medical journal articles because I had to stay current, right?
	So that just created a habit where I learned how to get through the main points of a clinical study, and I would try to read four or five different things at night.
	And then when I was learning functional medicine, it was We're good to go.
	You don't have the time or the energy for this.
	I made it part of my career as a researcher, and I own my own business now.
	So I have the good fortune that I have the opportunity to read and learn this information.
	You've got to think about a lot of your medical practitioners, too.
	We're not taught this in allopathic training, and it's one of the same.
	Pharmacy school and allopathic medicine.
	It's similar training in regard to the therapeutics.
	To learn all this other alternative stuff, it takes time, and that's time working in your family.
	You might go to conferences that you pay cash for.
	It's quite a commitment.
	And that's developed the habit of actually, you know, being very evangelical, you know, in a certain way about continuing that learning process so that I can always make good recommendations.
	And in terms of COVID, when I had the doctors calling and saying, look, Robert, I don't have as much time as you to research.
	What do you find? I would always say this about the medications, ivermectin hydroxychloroquine.
	I would say, well, you always have to look at, Doc, what the preponderance of the evidence shows.
	There are studies that show hydroxychloroquine works against all sorts of viruses, including SARS-CoV-2.
	Hydroxychloroquine actually works as a prophylactic measure against HIV. Here's articles that show ivermectin's activity against viruses.
	I had a pharmacist friend, colleague of mine, laughing.
	Laugh in my face. Retail drugstore guy.
	Laugh in my face that I was so stooped to even think that ivermectin worked.
	But what evidence had happened?
	I'm not telling you it works because I'm dispensing it, because I'm guessing, because doctors like it.
	These doctors did research.
	They actually dug it. And facts are stubborn things.
	They're also emotionless.
	And they show what they show.
	And then you have to see that, wow, you can go to hqmeta.com and find metadata on multiple ongoing and previous studies using hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19.
	You can also go to IVM, the abbreviation for ivermectin, ivmmeta.com and look at the same thing.
	What does the preponderance of the evidence show?
	And then there's this next thing.
	I had this conversation with a physician who criticized me for dispensing the two drugs and was a vaccine proponent and still is.
	But called the story to yell at me.
	How can you do this?
	It's so irresponsible. Tell me what the downside is, Doc.
	What? I said, well, first of all, COVID-19 has an infection rate of 0.4% in the overall population.
	Your most at-risk patients are morbidly obese, diabetic, indoor dwellers.
	Those are your most at-risk. So when you take those people out, Your infection fatality risk, IFR, is 0.1%.
	Maybe it's 0.01%.
	And that's untreated.
	Why are you pushing the vaccine?
	It has a super low infection fatality risk when it's already starting to get published out there that people with high vitamin B level do much better.
	You know, there's European studies that actually use high dose vitamin D for short-term.
	In a German study and an Italian study, there's so short-term use of vitamin D I'm a cynic.
	It's just a vitamin. But the data shows.
	What does the evidence show?
	And in this case, I astounded this doctor.
	What's the downside? Hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin have been used in the very young and the very old in multiple countries for years, years and years, decades.
	In every country that keeps an adverse drug event reporting database, there's very, very little associated with the toxicity of these drugs.
	Very little. And you would have to use high-dose ivermectin in people who already have neurologic damage or neurologic issues to find any side effects at all, which stop and are reversible by stopping the drug.
	And with hydroxychloroquine, you say, well, those mess up heart rhythm.
	Really? Because people with rheumatoid arthritis have taken hydroxychloroquine for decades.
	Well, if you have somebody who's deficient in magnesium or somebody who's already treated for a bad heart rhythm in one condition so severe, it's called torsad de pont.
	I mean, you've seen on TV screens like Yeah.
	When you turn the main points, because the heart rhythm is so disrupted, you've had turning up the points.
	Okay, that's somebody who I'd really want to consider whether or not I give hydroxychloroquine, but what's the greater risk?
	Leaving them untreated or trying the drug?
	And in those cases, the doctors would use ivermectin.
	So when I asked that question, what's the downside of using these?
	That got the guy, it was the first time he was speechless to stop yelling at me, to think that Well, I said, really what you should do is look at the evidence.
	I'm never going to tell you what to do.
	I'm obviously not going to stop dispensing medication.
	You called here to gather information.
	I gave you resources.
	It's up to you whether or not you go do the research.
	I'm not going to look at anything like that.
	I said, yeah, I know. And you know why?
	He said, well, why?
	Because it's bogus. I said, no, it's published in clinical journals.
	It's not bogus. The reason why you won't look for it, doctor, and read it is because once you know better, once you read it, now you're responsible for the evidence.
	Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He
	just doesn't want to take that step, which then will hold him accountable, will probably affect his pocketbook, because he's made a choice.
	He's made a pact with the devil, sorry to be so harsh, to not follow the oath of not causing harm to anybody.
	That's what it seems like.
	These people, and I don't want to classify all medical practitioners in that way because the good fortune, you know, a lot of people in the Las Vegas community know who I am and know what I do.
	And I applaud the ones that were not on this integrative spectrum or ivermectin hydroxychloroquine spectrum at all, but were brave enough to come up and ask me questions with an open mind.
	Now those people I love.
	And they'll just say, Robert, I don't see this stuff in my major trade drama.
	Gosh, you know, the The reps for Remdesivir and these other drugs, Paxlovia, they come in and they're just so convincing and that's all we see.
	Can you send me some stuff to read?
	Man, I love those people. Look at this, look at this, look at this.
	Make your own decision. And if you have come back and said, you know, you're right, then you know what I noticed too.
	I don't fill a lot of my own prescriptions here.
	I have staff for that, which allows me to be in my office and do this stuff here on top of you.
	I love my staff. When I see prescriptions come through for patients with their names on it, or I get a text message from these medical practitioners, nurse practitioners, PAs, DOs, MDs, Robert, how do you dose this drug?
	I got a patient that weighs this.
	Hey, does the drug interact with it?
	And they're prescribing?
	Hey, that's a few more people.
	And how many patients can each one of those, let's say it was only five practitioners.
	It was more than that. But let's say those five practitioners had their minds open.
	How many people could they have potentially treated in the last two years?
	And I believe that they did.
	So I applaud them.
	They have courage. You know, I'm not here to disparage the entire medical establishment, but you have medical doctors that are out there I'm the pharmacist, man.
	I might have a guy call me up and grouse, but when you have a medical doctor that sticks his neck out in front of his own colleagues, you've seen them get fired from hospital systems, fired from universities because they took a stand and lost their primary source of income.
	These are brave warriors.
	We need more of them. And I know that you and your entire audience supports people like that, and we should continue to.
	Yeah, yeah. That's why we do the Meet the Frontline Doctor series, the Medicine Cabot, and I mean, some wonderful episodes.
	We're really documenting these doctor stories that sit on the front lines, like Dr.
	Ben Marble, I mean, one of my favorite human beings.
	That episode alone is worth checking out because you realize that this dude was a rebel for his whole life, you know, told Shane to fuck himself at one point in like 2005.
	And, you know, those are the What kind of people that you need, those independent minds that are going to stand up against this nonsense, not a bunch of betas that are going to go along with this nonsense or like that dude that you're talking about that is like willfully just ignoring the evidence because he knows in the back of his head that he's harming people.
	You know, it's just, it's crazy.
	It seems like there's a lack of honor that just disappeared or not disappeared, but it's probably a lot less than it once was in the medical profession.
	What's that entrainment and for that guy you just mentioned?
	You know, I think he wanted to get a sense of accomplishment by calling and crouching in me, but he didn't know what my response would be.
	I didn't argue back at him.
	I just, I just wanted to look at stuff and put it on him to make the decision.
	But, you know, for the doctors, and I haven't seen every episode of Blood Money, you know, I just want, once again, want to reinforce the pharmacist that's on here.
	I dispense the stuff. But when the physicians in their own profession stick their necks out there to take the arrows, From their colleagues and their associations, those are brave warriors.
	And I'm thankful that we're in the same league now and really privileged to be on this show.
	Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome.
	Sir, is there anything that we didn't talk about that you'd want to mention in closing?
	Websites? Anything that comes to mind?
	The mic is yours. Well, you know, I'm working on several things with my pharmacy.
	I'd love to tell you, hey, I do have a website.
	It's just information at this point.
	I don't have anything for sale on the pharmacy website.
	You and I talked about collaborating, putting together a collection of the best recommendations for products, and I can't wait to have that up.
	So when we have that website up, have me on again.
	And we'll talk about these best product recommendations because I can tell you what's easily accessed, what's priced the best.
	There's a long list of stuff that can be used.
	And one website that I think is an excellent resource, and there's more than one in COVID, But I got to really hand it to Dr.
	Pierre Corey. He has a website called COVID-19 Critical Care.
	I find it the easy way through the old abbreviation FLCCC.net.
	But when you pull that up, they change the domain name.
	It's COVID19CriticalCare.com or.net.
	But that's the one. Put the right one in the description.
	I have used that and sent that.
	It's very well organized and neatly organized.
	What I like about it is...
	It will have protocols for COVID prevention, COVID treatment, long hauler, vaccine injure, and more.
	And he has a long list of products that can be used.
	And what I love is you don't have to choose everything that's on that list.
	Because sometimes, I mean, even for myself, gosh, I take a lot of supplements, but I can only do so much, right?
	I can't do everything that's on a particular list, but people get options.
	And some people I've talked to, they don't.
	They don't want to take a supplement that might help them with spike protein or whatever, right?
	Or graphene oxide. But would they take, there's liquids with C60. They'll take bathers, gummies.
	Some people just, they still hate even vitamins.
	And I want to do it with natural sunlight walking on the earth and teas.
	Great. Go get yourself some organic pine needle tea.
	That's a weak spike protein neutralizer, but it will help.
	And put some shilogic resin in it.
	Make sure it's a US source that's fulvic minerals.
	And that's going to give you a lot of benefit.
	If you're not going to do everything else that I recommend, I'm not going to argue with people.
	I want them to do something.
	And that's what Pierre Corey's site, flcc.net, has all over it.
	That's one. You probably know I do work with the wellness company.
	They gave me a new title today.
	I love formulating product and recommending products.
	I'm their chief of integrative therapeutic sports.
	That's my passion. Integrating natural supplements, foods, and products as well.
	And all of these sites too, like Pierre Corey's sites, will talk about fasting.
	If we haven't done it already, if you haven't done it, we should talk about the value of getting on a fasting protocol for people to clean up that junk.
	Spike protein, but the wellness company does it right.
	They have very reasonable consultation fees.
	They have practitioners that are trained to deal specifically with the COVID issues.
	I'm their primary fulfillment pharmacy.
	I'm not their only one, but partellpharmacy.com is my website name.
	And let's do a show again when we're going to talk about all those great recommendations that I've been making and using.
	And I get a lot of feedback. People pull the door open and walk in.
	They call me, Robert, that really works.
	Robert, this didn't make me feel so well.
	Do you have something else? And I get that feedback, which is the role that I like is to be that treatment consultant.
	And I also collect, I mean, how many different doctors do I see their prescribing patterns?
	Not just one. I see many.
	I see several. And I call them.
	Hey, I see what you do. This is a little bit unique.
	You dose this different. Can you tell me about that?
	Educate me. So I like to be that kind of collector of this information.
	And when I have other physicians ask me, Robert, what have you seen?
	Does it affect the so-and-so?
	This is Ask for your patient.
	And then we pick one.
	I really like being in that consultative role.
	That's awesome. That's awesome.
	And, you know, just to tell the viewer about some of the behind the scenes stuff that, you know, Dr.
	Seek was talking about. So we met yesterday to really talk about, you know, we've been getting a lot of requests because of these blood money episodes from people that are suffering from vaccine injuries.
	You know, we got friends out there that are working nine to five jobs that keep reporting to us that people are, you know, feeling sick, immune systems that are, you know, Low in immunity and people are wondering, what's going on?
	Like you were saying, there's been an awakening that these vaccine injections were not necessarily a good thing for people's health.
	And so we constantly get these requests because we do so many interviews with doctors.
	And we tell them, hey, check out Blood Money 54, Blood Money 67, different episodes with the different doctors that we have.
	And that is a little cumbersome.
	So we met with Dr.
	Seek about simplifying that.
	We're putting a lot of products out there that cover all the different aspects of how to use therapeutics in order to repair the damage done or stop the damage done.
	So, yeah, we're very excited.
	We're going to be setting up what we're calling right now the Vax Injury Store coming soon.
	And, you know, Vim, if you don't mind, let me give everybody the free health tips before they buy anything from us or anyone else in the future.
	I want everybody else to be healthy, but let me give you some clear tips.
	Get out in the sun. You gotta expose more than arms and neck.
	Torso and thighs are best.
	And he doesn't make a commission on that, by the way, so...
	The sun is free.
	There's no bad time of the day for the sun, in my opinion, but the best times of the first two and last two hours of the day, the sun is up.
	It's lower in the sky. It's more red light.
	Yeah. Caucasian skin needs 10 minutes per side.
	And during that time, your body is probably going to make 10 to 25,000 units of vitamin D. Wow.
	To go home and activate the vitamin D receptor, you need vitamin A. So eat some stuff that's orange.
	Eat carrots or sweet potatoes.
	The other thing you can do is when you're out getting your sun exposure, I mean, you've heard of the free radical theory of aging, right, Vim?
	Well, I have heard about it, but it's not coming to mind.
	So if you want to give a brief...
	A free radical is an unpaired electron.
	They're supposed to travel in pairs.
	When they don't travel in pairs, you got one and it's like an ice pick and it can do damage to DNA, your cells, everywhere else.
	And our most efficient way of picking up electrons, and people say, well, I drink a drink that's high in ORAC value.
	You get much more ORAC. You're picking up electrons from the ground, and if you can spend 10 minutes outside walking, creating an arc, would you create an arc with the human body the exact distance between the feet as you walk?
	I want you to be in the sun and get that exposure, and don't wear sunglasses.
	Because when you wear the shades, you don't activate all the receptors that are going to induce the tanning response and protect your skin and make the vitamin D. But the other thing is, There's a therapy for them called ultraviolet blood irradiation, UBI. What does that mean?
	If I'm sick with a virus, somebody can take out a bunch of blood, 60, 120 cc, put it in a bag, and then they can put ozone in there and it really picks up.
	It picks up a lot of oxygen.
	And then you drip that bag down and it goes to a table where there's a little tanning bed, a miniature tanning bed where ultraviolet light hits your blood.
	Why are you doing that? Because that ultraviolet light kills pathogens right in the blood quickly.
	How do we get ultraviolet blood irradiation?
	By walking barefoot out in the sun.
	You don't need to stare at the sun because the reflection off the ground is enough because your ultraviolet blood irradiation occurs right here in the eyeballs as your Blood is coursing through your eyeballs, that 10 to 20 minute walk in the sun barefoot.
	Now we're doing multiple things.
	We're building vitamin D. We're picking up electrons to reduce free radical damage.
	You make the blood less sticky when you do that.
	Now I'm getting ultraviolet blood irradiation.
	And as I'm walking, you're familiar with the lymphatic system, right?
	All the little things that move your immune cells and all the junk your body's trying to get rid of, which is this trail of stuff.
	People have had lymphatic drainage.
	You know, they have the pushing along the legs and stuff like that.
	You're pumping your lymphatic system as ultra vital blood irradiation from the sun.
	It's killing pathogens. All of this stuff is free.
	Hydrate really well.
	Drink a tea.
	I like organic pine needle tea.
	Add some shilajit resin to it.
	Everybody can do that before they swallow a single capsule.
	And if they want to start clearing spike protein right now, one last thing, last point.
	Look up some way to do fasting.
	You can water fast for a day or two.
	I think that's harsh. You can at least do some intermittent fasting.
	And some people consider that, well...
	I'm going to 16-8.
	I'm going to fast for 16 hours a day, eat 8.
	Eat when the sun is up, not at night, so don't eat 7 o'clock in the evening.
	But try to, you know, or even if you can do 12-12, don't eat anything after 6 p.m.
	and have a small meal at 6 p.m.
	That's a 12-hour fast. And even if you do that two or three times a week, what fasting does is the body says, oh, no, I don't have this intake of nutrients around right now.
	The body's going to look around for any junk protein.
	I don't really need it. I don't really need this.
	You know what? I'm going to burn. I'm going to chew that up.
	And that would include the spike protein.
	Go to flcc.net and you'll see that Dr.
	Corey has put on there that intermittent fasting is one of the protocols that's used for the spike protein.
	All of this stuff is free.
	I hope your audience can put it to good use before they buy any products or supplements whatsoever.
	And they can get healthier starting tomorrow.
	Wow, wow. You know, it's free.
	It's free. And that's one of the reasons that they don't want us to know about it.
	But thank you so much for being so gracious to share this valuable knowledge.
	I mean, it says a lot about you, Dr.
	Seek, and how you approach this profession.
	It's not just about making money.
	We've got to work on healing people first.
	And I'm sure they'll still come buy supplements from you.
	You know what I mean? They're going to need something.
	But there's so much I could be attained through.
	It's like what you're talking about. Thank you so much for coming to our Blood Money podcast.
	And for the viewers out there, please check out AmericaHappens.com where we have our episodes updated on a daily basis.
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