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Sept. 30, 2023 - Blood Money
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Blood Money Episode 74 w/ Liz Harris "Expelled From Congress for Exposing Corruption"
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expelled from Congress for exposing corruption welcome welcome everybody to blood money the blood money podcast I'm Joey Gilbert. I'm covering tonight for Van Miller, who's out conducting business on behalf of the American Happens Network.
But tonight, let's just get right into it.
We are joined with Liz Harris, and she has quite a little story to tell some of us.
For those of you that aren't up to speed exactly what's going on, Liz is being expelled from the Arizona House of Representatives, correct?
For basically, sorry, go ahead.
No, that's correct. They've already booted me out.
They've already booted her out?
And what is she guilty of?
What did she do? Nothing other than trying to blow the whistle and point a spotlight on the insanity happening across this country.
So, Liz, we're glad to have you here tonight.
I wish it was under different circumstances.
But, you know... I'll just tell you this much.
We had Seth Ketchel out to our Lincoln Day dinner here in Reno in the Washoe County area.
And one of the things we talked about was this election insanity meddling, whatever you want to call it, is not going to get fixed overnight.
It's going to take years.
It took years for them to get entrenched in it and to do what they've done.
And it's going to take years.
There's going to be patriots that pay the price, unfortunately, like you, like me, like others.
And so I just want to bring everybody back to that common theme, which is that we have a country we're trying to save.
There's all kinds of nonsense being played across the country from the legal stuff, like the allowed or legal about harvesting to the illegal stuff and some of the things that you caught wind of.
So Liz, for those at home that haven't been on Blood Money before, that don't know much about you, walk us back a little bit. Give us some of your background.
Tell us what's going on. And then, after you've set the stage a little bit, bring us to where we are today and just what's going on in Arizona. And then, even more importantly, what charming body is going to be picking your new replacement? Which you just told that to me makes me almost sick.
It's laughable.
It really is. There couldn't be a more corrupt board of supervisors.
I'm sorry, but I'm friends with everybody in Arizona, and no one's got nothing to say nice about those guys in Maricopa County.
But please, Liz, for the audience at home, for the tens of thousands watching on Blood Money here, tell us a little bit about where you are, where you came from, and how you ended up being expelled.
From the Arizona House of Representatives.
So this is a great story because I ran in 2020 and I lost in 2020 by just a little bit.
So what I did was I took the voter rolls and I found that the voter rolls were overinflated with dead people, people who moved out of state, people who didn't even exist.
And so then what I did, not just in Arizona, but it wound up going viral and becoming a country-wide effort, and that is canvassing the homes.
So typically when anyone canvases a home after an election, we ask, is this registered voter, do they live here?
Did they vote? What method did they use to vote?
How many mail-in ballots did you get?
What did you do with those extra mail-in ballots?
And how many registered voters are supposed to be here?
So in that canvassing, we discovered so many things.
Besides people voting from very odd locations, like they didn't just vote from churches, but they voted from church's chicken.
They voted from when we took the geolocation points.
Some of them went to schoolyard playgrounds.
I mean there were just so many anomalies in that canvas but most alarming we found that a lot of people who stated they voted in one manner like they would say I voted in person on election day and yet the the official record shows that a mail-in ballot was received for them so that's pretty much that's the type of stuff I spent the last 28 months of my life working on and then when but prior to that I ran again In 2022.
When I ran in 2022, I ran on election integrity.
When I ran in 2020, I didn't even know what election integrity was.
I just thought, Arizona, because we have had the mail-in ballot for three decades, and because 70% to 85% of the people vote via mail-in ballot, I just thought, Arizona had perfected the mail-in ballot system and nobody had to worry about Arizona because we perfected it.
Well, now today I know we perfected it to set up the rest of the country for basically casting fraudulent ballots.
I mean, that's just it's just that's why we have mail-in ballots and, you know, 2000 mules and all this other documentation that we have now.
They've done, within the last half year, Maricopa County has done a signature verification and they were finding up to an 18% non-match of the signature versus the exemplar on the registration card.
And those were the 2020 envelopes that they found that on.
Like nobody's doing anything.
So anyway, I win my 2022 election.
By only 275 votes.
In fact, it was so close they had to do a recount.
You know, this is Maricopa County, where we're not the fastest counting.
So even though the election was November 8th, they did not let me know that I officially won until December 29th.
That's when I found out I won.
And the judge had to open an envelope and see who the winner was based on the recount.
So anyway, I get sworn into office on January 9th and I'm excited because I'm going to pass the election reform bills.
So I had 12 election reform bills.
They got through committee and then there was an idea by Colonel Ivan Raiklin.
Liz, did you ever think of having a joint legislative session with House and Senate?
I'm like, no. So I went and asked the speaker for permission to have this.
That's how it happened.
So I gave the speaker five people that Ivan Raiklund suggested to speak to show how Arizona was affected by international influences, national influences, state influences, and county influences.
So I had a little asterisk because people were flying in from around the country at their expense Yeah, and it said, you know, we can substitute speakers on an as-needed basis.
We set the date.
It was very, very difficult because I'm still on the floor trying to pay attention to all the bills, you know, going to committee, and I'm literally, unfortunately, I'm not getting a lot of participation from the committee chair in the planning of this.
I got This participation from some other people on the committee, but this whole thing gets put together and then it's an all-day hearing and there are five speakers and three of the speakers I had to make substitutions for because they could not make it.
So where the big controversy comes in and why I allegedly got expelled is Ms.
Jacqueline Berger. She comes in to testify.
And she had, there's a book, it's called Report to the Governor.
And I had, someone had given me a copy of that.
So I had a good superficial, I had knowledge on a superficial level of all these different things that were alleged.
And the two things that struck me as pertaining to this election, joint election integrity hearing, was 2020 election.
Ballots found in vans.
There was an affidavit to that effect.
Ballots and cash.
The other thing which was even more interesting to me was backdoor portals into four counties that John Thaler had personal knowledge of.
So the reason I was interested in the backdoor portals Is because if you remember in the Arizona Senate audit, we could not get the routers or the Splunk logs and there had to be a reason that they were not turning them over.
Could it possibly be because the system or these systems throughout various counties had backdoor portals?
So Jacqueline Brigger, when she came to present, I told her 20 minutes, Told all the speakers 20 minutes.
Some of them were trying to negotiate for more time.
Unfortunately, one of Ivan Raeklund's presentations weren't heard, so I feel bad.
But anyway, Jacqueline Breger presented for 41 to 42 minutes.
Now, the way the Arizona legislature works, the chair is responsible for running the committee meeting.
So even though Ms.
Breger went over her time and was saying a lot of things that were pretty much jaw-dropping, nobody gaveled down on her and asked her to stop until towards the very end.
They told her to keep it to election integrity.
I think at one point they told her she had three more minutes.
So the allegations that she made, unfortunately for me, she referred to the Sinaloan cartel.
She referred to Deeds and sworn appointment forms that were fraudulent.
And she gave just enough information to pique everyone's curiosity.
But the real damage that was done was when she handed out an 81-page booklet to all the members and the senators who were serving on this election panel.
And when you And I had never seen that document before.
But when you turn to page 70, names were named.
And that is what I think really caused the major upset.
So here I am.
All I gave her was a microphone.
I did give her some guidelines.
I did ask her not to talk because in report to the governor, there was mention of the Mormon or the LDS church.
And there was mention of legislators.
I said, please do not talk.
You can't impugn the legislators in their house.
It's just one of the rules.
Even though committees should be open to the public for them to come and basically tell the government what shortfalls we have so that the legislature can create laws.
I mean, this is what the Constitution says.
Our job is to create laws to strengthen those shortfalls But essentially what happened at the end of that committee meeting, jaws dropped.
I made a motion like this and it was like, great, you're talking about the Sinaloa and Cartel.
And I just heard a few days ago in another committee that they behead people and they throw the heads over the Mexican border.
But when I made this motion, you know, everyone interpreted it as like I was telling you to cut.
And then I was being a director.
It's just so many lies were made up about what my intent was for that day.
And then an ethics complaint was drawn.
I went through an ethics hearing and they say that I lied during the ethics hearing, which I did not.
And then before I know it, I'm called into the speaker's chamber.
He says, or I said to him, You're looking for my...
I knew what was going to happen.
I said, you're looking for my resignation, aren't you?
And he said, well, yes, because I have a resolution to expel you.
And I said, people who resign are either guilty or they're quitters.
I am neither and I have nothing to hide.
And then I said, Mr.
Speaker, can I ask you why you're not going after Jacqueline Brigger or John Thaler?
And he made a comment along the lines of, we do not see eye to eye on things.
And then I walked out onto the floor to face my expulsion.
I could not believe how many Republicans, all the Democrats voted to expel me, and the vast majority of the Republicans voted to expel me as well.
How many Republicans did you need to stay with you to not be expelled?
How many joined? So there's 31 Republicans.
They needed two-thirds, I saw that.
Two-thirds, so 40 total.
So they needed 29 Democrats and 11 Republicans to expel me.
So I would have needed to have 20, 21 Republicans to stand by my side, and I did not get that.
Unbelievable. Unbelievable.
Now, on this person that spoke that, you know, said some of the things that, as you just said, you weren't ready for, you didn't know, you know, prior to her, you know, beforehand what she was going to say.
Is there any feeling of yours that this was, was any of this a setup?
Was it just her just being truthful?
Or was there stuff said that you think might have been coordinated?
So I did not coordinate any of the effort.
If anyone else did coordinate the effort, you know, God bless them or God rest.
I mean, whatever you want to say, like, I think now that all the data points are coming together, I think this was to some degree a setup.
But here's here's the big issue.
And here's what the people across the country want.
If she made those allegations, Why is Arizona not doing an investigation into them?
Because if she made those allegations and they prove false, she's responsible for what she says.
Liz Harris is not responsible for what a person comes to the microphone and says.
Sure. So now tell me a little bit.
So Liz, let's back up a little bit here now.
So you're on this committee.
You set this meeting.
They come. Tell us a little bit about what we did learn.
I mean, tell us a little bit about what was, you know, I mean, what did she say?
I mean, I know some stuff that was said.
And then also, obviously, they had to get rid of you.
They had to make someone. And like you said, no one investigated the allegations she made.
So where are we now?
Nothing's being done? Right.
Nothing's being done.
So what they did, and I was just on the phone with someone that, you know, in history the same thing has happened to this individual.
It's the same thing.
So what they do to discredit Jacqueline Berger's report is they expel me and they discredit me.
So everything in that report is now toxic To the point where my professional boards in real estate are now coming after me.
I mean, do you understand?
Of course. It's not just the Arizona legislature who basically impugned me.
They're calling me a liar. They're saying when I testified at the election ethics hearing that I lied.
And the reason, like you asked, was this a setup?
Well, apparently I gave them four, this is really good.
This is the ethics committee.
I gave them 14 exhibits.
They removed 10 of my exhibits from my testimony and said that I could, for the sake of time, for the sake of time, they're going to take my livelihoods, both, you know, they're trying to go after my real estate, and now they're going after my legislator position.
For the sake of time, They removed 14 exhibits.
And so my entire presentation, I had to kind of gerryman, like kind of make it all fit together because I didn't know I was going to lose 10 exhibits that I could talk about.
Then to top that off, then the next thing they did is they put in a surprise Exhibit 5 in.
And do you want to know what Exhibit 5 was?
My text messages I did not give them my text messages.
John Thaler did not give them my text messages.
Jacqueline Bregger did not give them my text messages.
So how'd they get your text messages?
There's the mystery.
Wow. There's speculation.
So now, in a court of law, if they were illegally obtained, they would not be admitted.
Yeah, but we're not in a court of law, so everything's obtained.
We're not in a court of law. They can do what they want.
So they challenged me on different things that the text messages said.
They made a big deal about this recording.
And I'm like, I never sent them a recording.
So after the hearing, I went and I listened to it.
It was like a butt dial recording.
It was three seconds of nothing.
I immediately sent it to the chair.
The chair said I asked him to forward it to the attorneys.
And yet there was a big deal, like the secret recording that I sent John Thaler and Jacqueline Breger.
It was a nothing burger.
They never apologized to me for making a big deal about a nothing burger.
There were other text messages that were missing.
So when Jacqueline Breger asked me, can I do a PowerPoint presentation?
I said, yes.
Then there's another text messages when I said, well, why don't you just bring a handout?
My rationale for that I asked them for a headline for the presentation, a title, and it took them forever to give to me.
We were running out of time.
The presentation was like less than 48 hours away.
I said, if you have to, bring a handout.
That's very, very, very customary for someone to bring a handout.
What the typical procedure is, and I'm aware of this, you hand the document to the chair.
The chair looks through it and then nods their head to be distributed to the committee members.
I don't know what happened, but somehow Jacqueline Bregger's 81-page document got handed out like it went so fast.
I wasn't even paying attention to it.
I was paying attention to her presentation.
But the chair, number one, the chair, Wendy Rogers, could have Made sure that that presentation did not go out without her thumbing through it and looking at it.
Number two, the chair could have stopped Jacqueline Brigger's presentation at any point, and she did not do that.
So I'm not trying to point fingers here, but I'm trying to say, why am I the one who got expelled?
But Liz, how are they able to do this in this country?
You're acting in your official capacity.
You bring someone that testifies, albeit they didn't enjoy what she had to say.
They don't like it. They disagreed with it, whatever, whatever.
How are you then expelled for information that was brought to a public forum or public or semi-public forum?
How are you then being expelled? I'm still missing it.
To me, it just sounds like the biggest bunch of nonsense I've ever heard.
Sounds like they wanted to obviously bury someone that uncovered something, make an example out of you.
And then that simple Law 101, Wong Sung Doctrine, fruit of the poisonous tree, anything that came out of that woman's mouth now, any document is now untouchable.
It's like you bring it up, it can never be looked at.
So that's how they got rid of that very damning information was to then say it was, you know, obviously whatever it was, expel you.
Now you can never bring that up again because this is what got, you know, someone expelled.
Is this, I mean, but how is this even legal?
I don't think it is.
So the Arizona Constitution says that if someone is found guilty of disorderly conduct, Excuse me, disorderly behavior.
Disorderly behavior, then a two-thirds vote of the legislature can remove the person.
So that was the mechanism in which they used to remove me.
Now, as far as fruit of the poisonous tree, I'm telling you, either these documents are real or they're not.
And these are recorded documents.
It's not like they're official documents.
It's not like they can just make them disappear.
And if they do make them disappear, I'm letting the audience know then there's someone who is doing something nefarious at that level.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
Absolutely, 100%.
Documents, they have the year and they have the recorded number on all of them.
To the best of my knowledge, John Thaler has over 150,000 reported documents that need to be investigated.
So I'm not here to plead their case, but Jacqueline Breger said that this is what they've come up with and they don't have subpoena power.
John Thaler has done this type of forensic analysis for 32 years.
He started in other states.
The companies that typically hire him, he's an attorney, are companies like insurance companies to look for insurance fraud.
I think he's done some work for different governments to find different fraud.
So this is John Thaler's profession.
The only reason that he was not there is because now here we come into, you know, where they're trying to basically destroy John Thaler's credit.
They're trying to say, well, John Thaler, Has a felony in Arizona.
John Thaler is not credible.
And I mean, that's the whole thing.
So the legislature had already said, John Thaler is a disbarred attorney.
He's not credible. I was behind closed doors when they said all these things about him.
And then the second step is to come after me.
18 years in real estate, hundreds of transactions, I've never had an ethics complaint.
Two months down at the legislature, And they find a way to come after me.
Wow. Well, you know what?
I'm glad you just brought a little background there because I was just about to say, who is...
Give us the players. John Thaler, you know, he was hired by...
I mean, how does he get into this picture here?
And the lady that also was providing the testimony, where exactly did they come from?
Give us some background on these folks.
So John Thaler was doing investigations in, I think it's four other states.
Indiana, Ohio.
I'm not extremely studied in this, but I have a good idea.
So he was doing this study or this investigation for other states, I think like Iowa, Indiana, I think Michigan and one other.
And a lot of these money laundering or racketeering schemes basically led him to Arizona.
So in Arizona, He started doing a deep dive.
In the process, he met a woman.
Now, John Thaler is saying he was probably a mark, but he met a woman by the name of Brittany Rae Chavez.
And they wound up getting married and having a child together.
When he went to, again, this is the best of my knowledge, when he went to form a trust because they had a child, He realized that there were a lot of documents in Brittany Ray Chavez's name, including marriage certificates in other states.
And again, this is not my story.
This is like part of the book and some supplementary information I'd seen and part of what John Thaler is saying.
So when he saw that, he eventually, again, to the best of my knowledge, approached Brittany And I believe that Brittany did confess to him that she had been forging documents dating way back to when she was a child, and she'd been forging these documents with her mother.
So that's like the overview of how John Thaler started digging into all this stuff.
Now, you know, by me saying this on air, The Arizona legislature is going to be like, oh, she knew this part of the story.
This part of the story had nothing to do with election integrity.
So why would I, like, it's irrelevant.
It's not related. Yeah.
This is very frustrating.
So, you know, I think one thing that's interesting, too, is you said that in 2020, you don't know Anything.
You can't spell election integrity or integrity because none of us really did.
Again, I knew something was coming, I gotta tell you, because you could just tell with what they were doing, the nonsense, once the pandemic hit and they've got the legislatures closed and they start changing laws and ushering in others.
So we knew something was going.
We didn't understand the extent of it till after the election.
Then we knew something was going on.
And I think we all became, and again, I don't think you've gotta be anything other than have common sense to realize that what's happening in front of our very eyes is the biggest fraud that's ever been perpetrated on this country and the world for that case.
And again, what's even funnier is mail-in ballots aren't allowed anywhere outside of the modern world because they're ripe with fraud.
I remember reading the headlines that Amazon refused to do their yearly meetings with mail-in ballots because they called it ripe with fraud.
So, I mean, none of this stuff for anybody that's, you know, got half a brain and has been paying a little bit of attention is rocket science.
You know, I think it's very clear to me what happened here to you.
You come in, you've got these election integrity bills, 12 of them.
You've got both houses involved.
You're bringing in information that is damning, you know, to say the least.
And then, you know, the number one way is how do we get her the hell out of here as quick as possible?
And how do we teach her a lesson and make sure that we also scare the bejesus out of anybody else who's thinking about doing something like this?
Because I'm telling you, look, I mean, I've been a lawyer since 2004, about 20 years, and I have never seen the kind of chicanery would be the word, a polite word.
I'd like to say an F word, but I've never seen the kind of absolute, you know, just games and garbage that That's been taking place these last few years.
And again, in this space, in this space, all aimed at one thing, tearing down the rule of law, tearing down people that are trying to bring, you know, you know, light and truth and honesty, which is all you were doing.
And again, there's no unflawed or no perfect, you know, process.
So obviously, if someone's in there testifying, It's that group's job to weigh that evidence.
They could have just as easily said, oh, we're not going to do something about this.
Like you said, I don't care what you say.
The chair's job is the chair's job.
If at any point in time that person, he or she felt like whatever was taking place in there wasn't proper, they could have put an end to it right then and there.
I've been to plenty of committees and sat in plenty of times when the chair takes control.
So again, I don't see how you...
I mean, I see how you're on the chopping block.
But I don't see how this was put on you the way it was unless it was for one reason, one reason only, and that was to get you out of that legislature as fast as they could because you can't shine the light into the cockroaches.
You just can't. So, you know, again, some of the stuff I want to ask you about is...
What role has the mainstream media played in this march toward tyranny?
I mean, like I went and I say this, you know, tongue in cheek.
I've already went and looked.
You know, you go look at the coverage on CNN. They basically make you out to be, you know, the worst human being on earth.
I could tell you why, you know, your boards.
I mean, same thing. I was warned to stop suing our, you know, scumbag degenerate governor.
For closing our schools and closing our churches and banning the most effective medication still known to treat the coronavirus, you know, hydroxychloroquine.
And I was warned, and I didn't stop, and they came after me.
And obviously, so, you know, here we are, you know, not shy or not unique to this process.
But tell us a little bit about how these dirty rats, the mainstream Operation Mockingbird Media did you.
So the first media outlet to reach out to me was the state paper.
And the day after the presentation, he sent me a text message asking if I was taking bribes.
And typically, I'm like, no comment.
But I wrote him back.
I'm like, could you ask a little bit more intelligent questions?
Like, why would you ask?
So, Joey, are you taking bribes?
You know, it was like, I mean, that's how this whole entire thing started.
And all I can say is that every media outlet, not only were they sending me crazy text messages with very crazy questions, but they were also putting in public information requests into the state legislature saying, we want to see all of Ms.
Representative Harris's email.
It was like a non-stop bombardment.
So I wish I could say they expelled me because there are too many public information requests, but we all get those.
And they're pretty easy for them to compile and send out.
But the media has not given me a fair shake.
So the media has actually been after me for years now.
And the reason the media came after me originally, just kind of like you, you were the COVID mandates.
So for me, it was actually the George Floyd incident where after George Floyd, I was actually standing on the corners saying back the blue.
And when I did that, you know, the media was basically accusing me of being a white supremacist or something like that.
And So that's when the media started coming after me and I was running in 2020.
And then the next thing I know, Antifa was after me, Black Lives Matter was after me.
They were defacing my signs with Karen and they were covering my mouth and they were putting all types of symbols on my signs.
It was really horrible. And you know, the media wouldn't pick that up.
So I had this experience with the media and I just learned very quickly At one point I said, okay, I'm going to do a live because they can't alter me if I do a live presentation.
Well, what the nefarious people did was they took that live presentation and they just piecemealed it together to make it sound absolutely horrible.
So again, I have like now a three-year history with the media.
Whatever, like when I get a media blitz and I've got their, again, they've done media blitzes on me so many times.
It's like I look at it and I'm like, I just ignore it because, but it's like the stuff, it just keeps coming and coming and coming.
And then it comes to the point where you can't even read it.
You can't even look at it.
You're like, all of this is a lie.
So in Arizona, we have something called Scorpions, bark scorpions.
That's why a lot of people, you know, they don't want to go to Arizona for the scorpion.
So here is Liz Harris.
I asked my family, I can't even kill a scorpion.
Did you understand what I'm saying?
Like what I'm saying is like, I am like a very innocent, good person who actually went down.
So I spent three and a half years campaigning over a hundred thousand dollars.
Now granted that's campaign money.
To campaign really hard so that I could go down there and get a $24,000 a year job.
Yeah. Like, where's the return on investment?
And I am truly the same person who can't kill that scorpion.
When I was going down there for $24,000 a year, I was not expecting to make money in any other capacity as it related to writing legislation Passing bills, putting things into law.
I mean, I'm there for $24,000 a year.
What I observed and what I think the American population needs to look at, no matter where they live in this country, how many legislators pass laws And for some reason on my Realtor Board's conflict of interest is right at the beginning of every board meeting.
But at the state legislature, there could be a ton of conflicts of interest and they're just able to do it anyway.
And then their buddies can get rezoning change or zoning change.
They can get all of these things to kind of fit together where the deals themselves may not be illegal.
But they're able to do things.
It's one of these double standards.
They're able to do things and to basically profit.
And that's why...
Now, I don't want to use the Arizona legislature because I don't want to get sued.
I don't want to accuse them of anything.
But that's why U.S. Congress, U.S. Senate, you know, these people go in with a net worth of X. They leave with net worths of 10X. This is what's wrong with the government.
These legislators have to have a conflict of interest policy that is shining in their face.
If you are going to run for office and you think you're going to get anything more than a pretty little pin and your salary out of this, then you should not be running for office.
So once again, the girl who cannot kill a scorpion to this day I wanted to go down there for my $24,000 a year to get good legislation passed with my number one priority being election reform legislation.
And they stole that from me.
They stole my seat from me.
They stole all my good intentions.
And I'm telling you right now, I want to be reinstated.
The voters voted me into that position for two years, and they gave me three months and three days, and they yanked me out of office because I didn't toe the line the way they wanted me to.
There was a representative, and she voted to expel me, and she was a fairly good friend of mine.
And I looked at her like, kind of like, what happened?
I didn't say anything. I just looked at her, and she said, Liz, they told me if I voted to expel you, It would help me.
What the hell?
Well, you know, Liz, let me just say this real quick.
I mean, you just laid out the entire blueprint of why, you know, when you went down there expecting just to make the 24 grand, not there to enrich anybody else's pockets, including your own, that you weren't going down there to, you know, to do anything other than the people's work.
And fix the vote so that people's voice can be heard.
Again, you put a huge mark on your back.
I got to tell you this, though. I think it's funny when you first let off and you said that the guy calls you, there's information released that there's bribes being paid to other legislators or to other people in government, politicians.
And so the first thing he does is ask you if you're taking a bribe.
It's the same classic thing.
You know, they go ahead and, you know, charge or make allegations of people of exactly what they are doing or they know is being done.
It's a classic, you know, you see everywhere.
You know, Nancy Pelosi referred to it as the, you know, the smear and the rap.
And again, it's just what a stupid question.
But again, that's what these that's what the media is all about.
I can't stand the media. And I went from a media darling.
I was the golden boy of this town.
Anytime they needed anything, I was the go to.
Then all of a sudden I come out ripping about the election integrity, start talking about, you know, the insanity with the lockdowns and the hiding medication.
And that was the last time I was on the air locally here after spending a decade, you know, being one of the go-tos.
And again, I was never, had a single charge against me, never got anything with, you know, ethics violations ever until you start pushing back against the powers that be that aren't doing what's best for we the people.
So, Here's what I want to ask.
And you just kind of, it's like we're almost scripted here.
You went right into it.
I was going to say, so who are the people that stood by your side?
Are there any brave folks that stood by you?
And did you ever get a chance?
Like, did you ever get a chance to address just the Republicans, like all in a big room?
Like, you know, you seem like a very personable person.
Obviously, if you're a real estate agent.
You know how to talk to a room.
You're not afraid of speaking in front of people.
So did you get an opportunity, excuse me, to say, you know, guys, you know, listen, I obviously didn't have this as a setup.
I didn't know that this was going on.
The chair could have stopped. Did you ever get that chance or was everybody kind of running and ducking for cover and you got a few conversations here and there?
Next thing you know, and then after you tell that story, talk about who stood by your side.
Thank you. Okay, so the only chance I really got to explain to the, they call it a closed caucus, which is all the Republicans, no camera, was an event, was a closed caucus immediately following Jacqueline Berger's presentation.
And that's when I stood up and I told the caucus, this is what I planned on her presenting.
And here's my approved, you know, it was an approved committee hearing.
I expected her.
To basically talk about ballots and vans with cash and backdoor entries into portals, explaining why we couldn't get these flunk logs and the routers during the Senate audit back in 2021.
So I stood up with great confidence and I addressed my caucus.
Now, they, prior to that, I'm just going to say, closed caucus is confidential, but I'm just going to say that The majority of my peers who did speak, it was to speak against the braggar presentation.
It doesn't matter who, but most people in that room spoke against it.
And my personal feeling is that they did that because there's like a rule.
In the House, you do not upset the Speaker of the House.
In the Senate, you do not upset the Senate President.
That's like an unspoken rule.
And one thing that had been happening, you know, everyone was asking me, did you go and apologize to the speaker?
And I'm like, for what?
I allowed someone to come in and speak.
She went off.
You know, she spoke about lots more than any of us were intending for her to.
Why am I apologizing to the speaker?
So I don't know.
Trust me. I believe if I apologized to the speaker, this whole thing still would have happened.
um so it was did you apologize but i never got another opportunity after that ethics complaint was filed to address my caucus in fact they started canceling a lot of the closed caucuses we did have a couple nobody brought this topic up i didn't feel you know we're talking about budget and all these other things i didn't feel it was appropriate for me to just stand up and be like hey everyone i'm innocent My door was open.
We were on a group thread.
Anyone could have asked me a question any time.
Now the supporters, I want to tell you, there are two rockstar legislators and I asked them, do I have permission to tell people who you are?
Because I don't want to put a target over your back.
And they said, Liz, you have permission.
In fact, they've been asking me how they could support me.
Ever since February 23rd, which is when this presentation happened, their names are Representative Corey McGarr and Representative Rachel Jones.
There is a photo which someone sent to me that when the resolution to expel me was being read, they turned their backs to the speaker.
And I know that sounds disrespectful, but two of 31 Republicans Really stood for me.
That's it. And I can tell you that they want election reform.
They know that they won by the hair of their skinny skin.
They know that they probably won by more.
They represent Legislative District 17, which is part of Tucson, a good part of Tucson.
They have my six.
I have their six for the rest of their lives.
I will take a bullet for either one of them.
Because the rest of the Republicans, I'm sorry, even though a lot of them voted to not expel, not a lot, but even though there were others who voted not to expel me, when you know who your allies are, these are the people I would go to war with.
The rest of them, I don't feel they'd ever, in a million years, take a bullet for me.
Well, Liz, let me ask you this question.
What role does the RINO, the Republican in name only, play in this type of a situation?
You know, what did you see in there?
And were there some that were from the jump, were just wanted, you know, you gone?
I mean, I'm sure there were Republicans from the very beginning that you became a member that wanted you out of there.
Who were those?
And let's listen. This program exists.
Blood Money is about spotlighting these cockroaches and making sure folks know.
And listen, you know, we're not going to get anywhere by not letting everybody know who to watch and who you, like you said, who I just said, are the problems.
You know, talk a little bit about who was, from day one, part of the problem with the Democrats in pushing you out.
In your opinion. So you think it's okay to name names?
I don't think you're going to have any...
Listen, this is your opportunity.
If you don't want to name names, then just tell us a little bit about what happened.
You don't think they're going to reinstate me, Julie?
I mean, Liz, I'm going to be honest with you.
I don't think that's going to happen.
But again, that is supposed to be tomorrow, right?
Yeah, well, I'll talk about that next.
Listen, let's give some of these cowards the benefit of the doubt.
Don't think for one second someone's not watching this or not going to see this and say, you know, let's wait for that.
Let's let them dig into that next week.
Let's say this.
To those out there watching, to anybody in Arizona watching, do the right thing.
Stand up for this country.
Stand up for your children.
This is a woman who's trying to protect our voice and our rights and what's important to this country and how this country got to where it is in this entire world.
Is the city on the hill?
So do the right thing.
Reinstate this woman.
Do whatever you need to do after that.
But there's no way she should have been expelled.
And I would say, Liz, with that, let's have you make your case for why you think these people didn't join you, who should join you, and why.
And then make a pitch of why they should reinstate you.
Let's do that. So I think that the reason they wanted me gone, I'm positive.
It's because I've been fighting for election reform.
And my idea of the election reform to get us to the point of having.01% fraud is to basically return it to precinct voting, having the ballots pre-printed, the precinct should be no more than a thousand people,
have people come in and vote on election day, strong ID, absentee ballots only for the military, be in any profession where they cannot show up at The poll, some of my legislation also included nursing homes, how you would send an election board out to the nursing homes, one of each party to collect the ballots.
I mean, my election bills encompassed so many aspects of how this would run.
But I'm telling you, I don't call them rhinos.
I call them establishment Republican.
And the reason I do that is because a rhino would be a Republican in name only, and they would vote on the Democrat bills.
What we have here in Arizona, it's different.
It's, again, the establishment.
It's the establishment Republican where they basically understand how the system works and, like, If they do, if either party, if you do what you're told and you toe the line and you don't upset the lobbyists and you don't upset the special interest groups and you vote on party line bills and you do all that stuff, you miraculously win your next election because you've been a good boy or girl.
I mean, when I look at what I witnessed, You know, behind closed doors.
Like one of the first lines, the first thing I was told my first week, protect the institution.
Liz, you must protect the institution.
Second week, Liz, what do we need to do to make sure you, the incumbent, win your next election?
Because we want to help you save your seat.
So someone like me, who's like, Hey, I'm worried about the job right now.
I'm not worried about my next election.
If I don't get elected in the next election, it doesn't matter.
I want to do a good job right now.
I'm here to do a job.
Do you understand? So they didn't like that.
So anyway, what's your next question?
Because this was an experience.
That's what I can say.
Three months, three days, I got the experience of a lifetime.
Yeah, you did. And you're still getting the experience.
So let's say this now.
What does this say about America?
What does this situation and the Arizona legislature that's taking place, what does that say about this country right now?
So what I'm experiencing here in Arizona, almost every person who is represented or elected to state government, it's no different.
This is from me speaking to other people who have been Who have been punished.
This is how government works.
Don't toe the line.
They'll take away your committees.
They might take away your parking space.
They could take away your office.
Or they could do what they did to me, which is expel you.
So what this, what expelling me did, it set a precedent, not just for Arizona, but for the country.
And it's really ironic that this happened Right after the Tennessee event.
Now, how did the people in Tennessee who truly had disorderly behavior, they got reinstated, and yet Liz Harris, who allowed a constituent to have a microphone, I'm not getting reinstated.
I'm fighting.
I'm telling the world I want to be reinstated, but I'm being told there is no mechanism for reinstatement.
But Liz, here's what you can do.
Tomorrow night, this is how they're going to choose my replacement.
The Legislative District 13, which is Chandler Sunlake, some part of Gilbert, funny Gilbert.
Anyway, all the precinct committee men will get together and they have to be elected precinct committeemen.
They will cast a vote for all the floor nominations.
So somebody from the floor will nominate me and about nine other people.
I don't know how many exactly, but it's going to be a whole slew of people.
And then we're going to go through many rounds of voting.
And then whoever the top three contenders are at the end of the night, those three names will be forwarded to, you ready for this?
Don't say the Board of Supervisors.
Oh, get out of here.
You can't do that.
In what clown world do we live that that group of complete degenerates...
I'm sorry, dude.
I mean, my heart just sank.
So you have no chance because the last thing I'm going to do is bring you back.
I'm sorry to say I think we should go back and hose everybody.
But you know what? I'm going to let Vemp.
Vemp does a much better job of blowing people up.
So after tomorrow night, then Vem and you can come back on here and you should drop everybody's name out there that has been not just unkind, but unfair, dirty, corrupt, all the things that I've seen the last few years that made me sick.
But I'll just say this.
What now? In your opinion, based on what you just went through in three months, are we past the point of return here in the United States?
I love that Seth Kelch, like I told you, when he came to our Lincoln Day, he said, it's going to take the blood or the proverbial blood or careers or livelihoods of patriots fighting to get this thing back.
It's not going to be in two years, four years.
It's going to take eight, 12 years.
You know, maybe more, maybe 15 years to do this.
But I mean, do you still have any hope or are we past the point of return here in the United States for fixing these broken elections?
So I'm, well, 2024 is right around the corner.
And you see, there's a rift here in the Republican Party.
And this is important to mention because they're saying that Liz, Republicans, establishment Republicans, I'm not talking about legislators.
They're saying that Liz Harris and company are going rogue Because we want election reform.
Because we want election integrity.
That we're the Roe group.
And there's a growing group of us.
It's a large group to begin with.
So right now, the rift in the Republican Party are those who stand for election reform versus those who say, oh, 2020 is over.
Now 2022 is over.
Okay, 2024. You just gotta work harder.
You gotta register more voters.
You gotta donate more money.
You gotta make sure you get more Republican precinct committee men.
And we gotta get better candidates.
Because, oh, Carrie Lake and Blake Masters and everyone, they were horrible candidates.
Carrie Lake didn't absolutely destroy it and just smash that Katie Hobbs little troll, which is just brutal.
And what my opinion is, is we don't have...
12 to 15 years.
The rate in which things are changing in this country, especially if we go to any central bank digital currency, the way things are changing, we need to act now.
You need to step up.
You need to pay attention to, you know, everyone pays attention to what's happening at the federal level.
No, you need to look at what's happening at your state level and your county level and your city or town or municipality level.
You really need to get involved.
You need to get up to that microphone.
You need to contact your legislators.
You need to follow the legislation that's being passed because if you do not get active now, Democrat or Republican or Independent, if you don't get active now, you're going to feel these pain points in a few years, and then it's definitely going to be too late.
Well, Liz, let me ask you this.
Are there any of these people that could be nominated that are Liz Harris, you know, quality or caliber, or are we doomed?
There are, but I'm not going to talk about it because Maricopa County, well, let me just say, Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, one of them said on a hot mic, Anyone like Liz Harris or who's an election denier, we will not appoint.
Well, of course they won't because they're the most corrupt election, you know, part of this entire insanity.
Buffoonery. I'm going to use some nice language tonight.
I'd use a couple of other words, but this is, you know, Vem Show.
So let me just say this.
We're going to wrap up here.
We've got a few minutes left. So what is next for you?
If this, you know, we want reinstatement tomorrow.
There's always a mechanism to bring people back.
I don't give a damn what they say.
They always have a plan.
But in the event that this doesn't happen, you're not going away, right?
Are you going to try and stay in the fight as much as you can?
I know you've got, you know, your own licensing issues now to worry about.
You've got to stay, you know, able to feed your family and provide, you know, stuff for you and yours.
So, you know, assuming, you know, that you, you know, aren't put back in, what does things look like for Liz Harris and how can we support you?
Is there anything we can do on this show to give you support?
So very like I'm very unique.
I have never asked for a penny and I'm not asking for any money for my election integrity efforts.
Right now, I'm not running for another office, so I'm not asking for money for that either.
What I'm asking for people to do is to get involved.
That's what they can do for me.
And then if anyone wants to follow me, I'm on Truth Social, Facebook and Instagram and All the channels, vote Liz Harris.
And then on Twitter, I'm LizHarrisMBA.
Okay. Well, Liz, listen, you know, we got a couple more minutes here before we go, but let me ask you one other thing.
What do you see happening if this, you know, goes through the way it kind of looks like it's going through?
Someone gets in and it's not a Liz, is election integrity efforts in Arizona dead?
Is there anybody else to carry this torch?
My 12 bills are dead.
Oh, man. So explain that real quick.
So with you out, those bills are gone because you're out or no one can pick those up?
Would anybody pick them up?
Oh, yeah. Corey McGarr, Rachel Jones, they'd pick them up.
But there was a comment made at a private residence yesterday by one of the legislators that because Liz Harris did this, her election integrity bills are going to be dead now.
You know, you can't make this stuff up.
They never wanted those election reform bills in the first place.
Oh, so the plot thickens with every little bit of detail you're giving here.
So with you went all 12 of your election bills?
Correct. I think I see here a little more clearly now what's going on.
Obviously, I hate to tell you this, sweetheart, but you ain't getting reinstated.
There ain't no way they're bringing that back.
I'm just, you know, look, I'm a lawyer.
I get paid to tell people the truth and to not pull punches.
But if you were tied to those bills and without you, those bills are gone and no one's bringing them because they're tied to you and some of the You know, perceived negative, you know, stigmas attached to it.
That's just, they would never allow that.
It's not something they can do.
Obviously, you know what those bills would have done, Liz.
The jig was up with those.
Again, even if you weren't going to fix it 100%, any bit of, you know, repair, and I'm sorry to, you know, To be the bearer of bad news, but it's very clear now from a practical standpoint where I sit as a lawyer and being in this fight for as long as I've been, why you're at where you're at.
And I just want to say, look, we love you.
God bless you for what you've done in your fight.
Don't ever give up. It's so easy to say, man, have I taken my licks?
We've got to dust ourselves off.
We've got to get back in the fight for this country.
So I just want to say thank you for joining the show tonight.
Thanks for being on Blood Money.
We'll be sure to check in with you in the next week or so.
And God bless you, Liz. Stay in the fight, and we'll ask everybody to stay in the fight with you.
We'll say goodbye to you for now, and then I'll close up here.
All right. Thank you so much.
God bless America. Absolutely.
Well, ladies and gentlemen...
We're about ready to wrap it up.
I'll just say thanks for being here.
Blood Money, Episode 74.
Ben Miller was off tonight taking a little break.
We were here with Liz Harris.
And again, get in the fight for this country.
Get in the fight to protect our children.
God bless you and God bless America.
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