Benny Johnson and guests dissect NASA's Artemis 2 mission, contrasting its historic lunar goals with conspiracy theories about Muslim astronaut hiring and JD Vance's demon claims. The conversation shifts to foreign policy, where Greg Stubbe advocates withdrawing from NATO and the UN while criticizing Iran's nuclear program, alongside Mark Meadows discussing potential Attorney General replacements and immigration fraud allegations against Ilhan Omar. Ultimately, the episode blends space exploration triumphs with contentious domestic debates on citizenship, ethics violations, and UFO skepticism, highlighting deep political divisions. [Automatically generated summary]
Words that came to mind for me yesterday excitement.
Of course, this was beyond exciting, patriotic.
I mean, this is America at its best.
But also, you know, I'm a little bit older than you, and I was seven years old in second grade.
When the Challenger exploded.
So, when I see moments like this, there's a sense of relief that everything goes off according to plan.
Because when you're in those formative years and you see a tragedy like that, every time you see something like this, there's that pit in your stomach like, is this going to work out?
And to hear that it did, it was relief, but awesome.
Well, ladies and gentlemen, a wild and exciting last couple of days.
Thank you very much for sticking with us.
We appreciate you rolling.
Over the last five days, we've interviewed the vice president.
He confirmed that aliens were demons.
And then we interviewed the NASA administrator inside of NASA overlooking the Artemis II rocket.
Which we were able to walk right up to is unbelievable.
This is like a truly out of this world experience.
Forgive the dad pun there.
But then he, like the NASA administrator, confirms aliens are real, along with a number of other really inspirational and cool things that lift your spirit as an American.
And even the coldest and darkest of hearts.
And of course, I'm talking about Jerry on this program and Klein.
Even those cold, dark, sallow hearts frozen in the Arctic.
Could be warmed by what we were able to see live yesterday with the Artemis II going to the moon.
We own the moon.
The moon is ours.
An important reminder that communism must lose.
America must win.
And while there are ups and downs, and certainly there have been some downs, we're going to talk about those on the show, there's also a lot of great energy out there.
And we want to capture that.
It's the only way that we're going to win.
I got kids here.
I want them to be raised as Americans.
I want them to have a future and a functional, inspirational, aspirational, stable, safe, secure.
Clean country.
Ladies and gentlemen, a day at NASA will do it for you.
It was very, very interesting.
We broke some news.
Does the NASA administrator believe in God?
What does going out to space prove about our creator?
We asked Jared Isaacman.
We'll get to those clips in just one moment.
Today is Thursday, April 2nd, 2026.
So, no April Fools today.
We did have an April Fools joke for you, which was a wild interview with the NASA administrator that we dropped yesterday.
It was real, it wasn't a joke at all.
But we did ask some things and we were surprised at the answers.
Also, President Trump gave an address last night detailing the future of the war in Iran.
Markets not responding pleasantly.
Some major warning signals to the administration, of which I love and care about, but some major warning signals on this conflict to the administration that cannot be ignored.
The midterms are moments away.
Goodness, Klein, it's April.
So the midterms are what, eight months away?
Seven months away?
Holy moly.
It is going to be a roller coaster.
So, buckle up, ladies and gentlemen.
We have Greg Stubbe on the show.
We have Mark Meadows on the show.
Sharp congressional minds, sharp political strategists.
We're going to ask them, well, the burning questions, which is how can Republicans win the midterms?
How can we continue, ladies and gentlemen, the America First movement?
How do we save it from people that wish to destroy it?
My name is Benny Johnson.
This is The Benny Show.
Patriot Mobile was with us all throughout our trip to NASA.
Here, how about this?
Let me show you what we were able to film on our Patriot Mobile device.
Well, Cape Canaveral, the Kennedy Space Center, is a monstrosity.
It's just enormous.
You've never seen an American military base or an American flight base or anything as big as this.
I guess there's like, let's just start some of the top lines here.
It is this massive locked down base with these massive alien structures.
The huge, go to my timeline, Klein, on the photo of me and Jared.
The huge VAB, they call it, in order to build the actual spaceships inside.
It's iconic.
You can see the platforms upon which they've launched multiple space missions all throughout this gigantic area right up against the Atlantic Ocean.
And they control like hundreds of miles in every direction.
But for the first time, actually, in your lifetime or mine, all of these platforms are being bought up by various private companies like SpaceX and Blue Origin.
All of these rocket companies are bidding, they're in bidding wars to buy up the old platforms because they want to be near NASA, they want to be near the infrastructure, they want to be in the space coast, which allows for really excellent launch trajectories out over the ocean.
It makes things really safe when you're dropping rockets because you want them to fall into the ocean.
You don't want them to fall on someone's house, of course.
This is critically important when it comes to reentry as well.
It's an excellent location in order to stage all of this.
I mean, the size of the rocket, we were able to walk right up.
I mean, this is as close as any civilian can get to the rocket.
It's so cool, man.
They let us walk right up to it, it's like massive, multiple stories tall, really something.
And then when it blasted off, I mean, you were able to just feel the earth shake under your feet.
I mean, it was like.
It is bone jarring.
I swear you could feel the heat.
Maybe it was just the mind playing tricks on me, but I swear you could feel that liquid hydrogen ignite.
Again, why do we do things like this?
I mean, we do things like this because it's badass, because only we can, because American exceptionalism, and because it's critically important to be the masters of the universe and the galaxy.
I feel like this is something that is essential to an American future to be multi planetary and to control near space and deep space, to be able to have a base that launches to Mars for NASA to engage in its actual mission.
The number of employees that came up to me so we have a number of subscribers at NASA, it was very humbling.
And those subscribers came up to me while we were in the lobby or we were being shuttled around.
You have to have an escort everywhere you go on base.
And while ALX and I, ALX was there with me.
While we were there, we were being shuttled from one place to another.
And the employees would come out of their cubicles and would say, What's up?
And we'd take a selfie and we'd talk.
And some of these guys were like, I've been in NASA for 25 years.
I joined right when the shuttle program was at its peak.
And then it collapsed, right?
And NASA stopped launching Americans into space.
In a genuine generational humiliation, American astronauts had to travel to Russia, Kazakhstan, to be exact, to go get launched in some dumpy USSR throwaway program out in space,
which, again, is a scar on the face of American greatness, ingenuity, the country that brought you flight, and then 66 years later, We're sending astronauts to orbit the moon.
Something that, again, like truly boggles the mind.
And if you're a believer and if you're a Christian like me, then not only does this have you believe in American supremacy, it also has you believe in the ingenuity of man as divined by God.
You know, God can make man stupid.
He did this in the Tower of Babel.
He causes people throughout the Bible to go dumb and mute.
God can strike you down and make you stupid, right?
I feel like that's happened to me quite a few times.
That's the way God humbles you, but he can also give divine spark and inspiration.
You can go to the Sistine Chapel and look up and divine that it is only the divine that could have allowed for something this majestic to have been painted or done.
And then you can watch this from yesterday.
And you can say, well, what a triumph!
It's what humans can accomplish.
Dude, this is what we filmed.
This isn't the NASA film.
This is what we filmed with our phones.
How cool is this?
ALX shot this.
It was just like out of this world, man.
It's neat.
It was like something that says, well, we're not done yet.
There's a lot of doomers out there.
We talk about it a lot.
There's a lot of people who I'm not quite sure understand that, you know.
What comes next when the left takes power?
But let me tell you, these NASA employees told me these NASA employees who I won't show you pictures of them.
I won't show you, I won't like try and name drop or anything here because I don't want to hurt anyone's career.
But like ALX and I were walking the halls of NASA and we heard it time and time again.
ALX and I were walking the halls of NASA, and these employees would come up and be like, We just did DEI for the last 15 years.
That's all we did.
This place was mothballed.
This gorgeous space center was rusting out.
We weren't building rockets.
We weren't planning trips.
We weren't creating missions.
We were doing DEI.
We were trying to hire more Muslim astronauts.
There's actually a headline, ALX, if you wouldn't mind finding it.
It's a.
Is it meant timeline?
Like, I don't think people fully understand exactly how bad things had gotten.
The headline from the Obama era or the Biden era, I'm not exactly sure, says NASA's main goal is to hire more Muslim astronauts.
Okay, cool.
Like, really?
Is that actually your main goal?
My kids are dressing up like astronauts this morning.
I brought my kids' client.
You can pop up the photo.
My kids dressed up as astronauts this morning.
I brought them a little astronaut spacesuit.
And what you actually want to do is inspire.
This is my five year old and my one year old.
This is Alison Witt.
You want to inspire a little boy, this is a banana, to be an astronaut.
You can't do that if your only focus is how many wheelchair bound, hijab wearing, transgender retards can we put up into space?
Like, that can't be your goal.
That can't be your sole mission.
Like, if your sole mission is quota box checking, like you're a Netflix show, you're not going to inspire anyone.
That style, that medium of communication inspires no one.
It is narcissistic.
It is broken.
It is self aggrandizing.
It is selfish by nature.
It doesn't show what human beings are capable of given the divinity of God and his divine spark.
It actually shows how shallow we can be and the worst of humanity to reduce everyone down to your skin color, your sex, or your perceived.
Stupid fetish, right?
But that's literally what the Biden administration did.
It's literally what they did.
Klein, I know you're looking for it.
I retweeted it, it's in my timeline.
The Biden administration, like, we need more Muslim astronauts.
No one's going to want to dress up as an astronaut.
No kid wants to dress up as an astronaut anymore.
And what does dressing up as an astronaut mean?
It means you put the American flag on your arm.
You can see right there.
You put the American flag on your arm.
You embrace the greatness that only our country can accomplish.
And it lets you actually literally reach for the stars.
It gave me a good opportunity to talk with my kids actually about God this morning and about his creation and searching for it and what we discover when we actually reach out beyond and into God's creation, touch the face of God.
The heavens reveal his majesty, the scriptures say.
The heavens praise the Lord.
And so, why not go to the heavens?
Why not explore them?
Jared Isingman actually told me this.
He's the NASA administrator.
He told me that, you know, he's an astronaut.
It's amazing how few actual astronauts are NASA administrators, certainly not the woke DEI hire that wants more Muslim astronauts.
Not the goal.
That's actually atomizing the purpose of NASA, not uplifting the purpose of NASA.
I said, Jared, did you connect with God when you were out in space?
Because he was the first civilian to ever do a spacewalk.
Okay, so this is your NASA administrator out traveling 17,000 miles per hour.
That's how fast he's going as he's just floating in space untethered.
Cool.
What happened to you out there, bro?
Do you believe in God now that you've floated in space by yourself 17,000 miles per hour?
His answer is inspiring.
Here we go.
All of this exploration of the great beyond and the mysteries that intertwine all of it, how does that affect your relationship with a creator, with God?
What does the mysteries of the universe unravel tell you?
All great minds that have thought of these things or reached for the stars eventually come to some realization about their relationship with the creator.
I'll tell you, I mean, I've been to space twice and I think it's very hard to be there and not be somewhat spiritual because you just have an appreciation for how small we are in the grand scheme of things, like the enormity of what's around us.
And it had to have all started somewhere, right?
We don't have an answer for that right now.
So the idea that maybe this was all part of some extraordinary grand design is, those thoughts have to go through your mind.
It's just, it's too interesting of a perspective not to kind of go down that road, I think.
So, but it is like this is what we are pursuing right now.
We are going to learn so much, you know, in the years ahead.
And I absolutely believe we were destined to do this to go out to explore and to seek out a lot of those answers, and they're waiting for us.
I've been advocating for Jared Isingman to be NASA administrator for a very long time, even though.
You know, some real asshats in the administration tried to torpedo Jared Isaacman's nomination.
It got back on track and we were successful in getting him as the chief of NASA.
And the reason I wanted Jared Isaacman in this role is, and the reason why we advocated for it so aggressively, even when Trump unnominated him, re unnominated him.
And renominated him is because of his vision for the program, his vision to rip all the Dei and mothballs out of the systems, to rip the guts out of the actual and the, the rot, the rust and the cancer out of the actual NASA program and to inspire.
Once again, i've trusted this guy with my life.
By the way client, I love what you have playing there.
Can you start it from the beginning?
Yeah dude uh, so so, Jared.
So this is this is Jared Isaacman flying me in a.
This is Jared Isaacman flying me in an alpha jet In Bozeman, it's like, so I literally trust the guy with my life.
But he's somebody who flies fighter jets and buys fighter jets for fun, for a living, and fixes them up.
After our interview, yeah, he's like, I'm going to go fly.
And I was like, oh, maybe he's going to go fly back to, you know, whatever, take his government jet back to DC.
No, he flew directly over our heads in an F 5 fighter jet.
It was so cool.
So, anyway, he's explaining me his vision for NASA.
I just couldn't agree with it more.
And part of it is, quite frankly, to make a moon base, make a Mars base, to make Americans believe in ourselves again.
And we need a lot more of that.
That's been the problem, in fact.
Regular launches, lunar missions, moon base, Mars missions, deep space, it's all happening.
The Artemis.
Rocket is important for this reason, Jared outlines in our interview.
We are about to begin this grand return to the moon.
Artemis II, right over there, Launch Complex 39B, 8.8 million pounds of thrust, going to send four astronauts farther into space.
We've ever sent humans before, faster than humans have ever been traveled before, around the moon, back safely to Earth, and set up for the subsequent missions to follow.
We are going back to the moon.
We're picking up where Apollo 17 left off.
We're going back to stay this time.
We're going to build a moon base.
Yeah, we're at a great time right now where we're about to send people back to the moon.
And like I said, we're going to go with frequency this time.
President Trump did not want us to go there to plant the flag and lead the footsteps again.
He wanted us to go and to stay to build the moon base, to test the capabilities that are going to be necessary.
So someday, when a rocket leaves here at Kennedy Space Center, maybe go into Mars.
This is going to be a historic trip, the farthest out into space, potentially, any human being has ever gone, the fastest any human being has ever gone.
I will tell you, it is far easier, far less pressure to actually climb in and get strapped into the rocket and go to space than it is being on the outside knowing that you're hitting the button.
So, you know, it's of course a great responsibility because it is the start of America's crewed return to the moon.
So, Artemis 2 is a test mission, right?
No humans have ever flown on that rocket before.
So, they will go out for 10 days.
They're going to start in Earth orbit, then they're going to go into high Earth orbit in the first 24 hours.
We want to make sure that the vehicle is performing as expected because while you're in Earth orbit, you're hours away from the water.
But when we hit the button on the translunar injection, that is when we send them.
We send them out past the moon.
We use a little bit of the moon's gravitational influence to turn it back around and slingshot it back to Earth.
Ten days later, they're in the water off of the west coast of the United States.
And hopefully, we have learned enough about that vehicle to set us up for Artemis III in 2027.
Again, that's where we're going to test.
The Orion spacecraft with the landers in Earth orbit, and then in 2028, before the end of President Trump's term, Artemis IV is going to put American boots back on the surface of the moon.
Well, we've been doing a little research, meaning we just ask people who know and have seen classified UFO information about UFOs.
We've been able to make quite a few headlines, frankly, recently about UFOs being demons.
Here's JD Vance, just one of tens of thousands of articles written about our 20 minute interview with JD Vance.
You know, JD Vance sits down for three and four hour interviews with these dork force podcasters from corporate media, and they get no clips out of it.
You get no headlines out of it, right?
It's just like some shrieking lib woman crying about her feelings the whole time.
And JD has to sit there and listen to her like a therapist.
And it's very embarrassing, or like a boyfriend who's breaking up with her.
It's very embarrassing.
It's hard to watch.
It's cringe, I mean, to be honest.
And I told their team it's cringe, and they set me up with an interview with JD.
We did not have a long time.
They told me we had 20 minutes.
We were able to get about 25 minutes.
In that time, we were able to do like 100 million views across all platforms on clips from this interview.
We were able to do what feels like 100 million headlines based on multiple breaking pieces of news out of this interview.
And here's just one of them that JD Vance says is probably demons flying around the earth.
I have not been able to spend enough time on this to really understand it.
But I am going to.
Trust me, I'm obsessed with this.
I've already had a couple of times where I'm like, all right, we're going to Area 51, we're going out to New Mexico, we're going to sort of get to the bottom of this.
I think that the desire to describe everything, what weird thing, everything is otherworldly, to describe it as aliens.
I mean, every great world religion, including Christianity, the one that I believe in, has understood that there are weird things out there and there are things that are very difficult to explain.
And I naturally go, when I hear about sort of extra natural phenomenon, That's where I go to is the Christian understanding that, you know, there's a lot of good out there, but there's also some evil out there.
And I think that one of the devil's great tricks is to convince people he never existed.
This is in response to our clip with Matt Gaetz talking about extraterrestrial life, extraterrestrial samples, non-Earth origin organic matter that has been recovered.
We asked Jared about this.
We said, yo, Jared, what's going on with this?
You've been to space.
A lot of these people haven't been to space.
What do you think?
Here's what he had to say.
The vice president made a lot of news sitting across from me a couple days ago saying, Yeah, I mean, I totally agree that there's aliens.
They're made of three all natural ingredients corn, salt, and beef tallow.
Make sure that you are living your healthiest, best life, and that you are somebody who can maybe get into one of those little space capsules one of these times.
I mean, Jared's sitting there telling me that they're going to be launching commercial flights to the moon like crazy.
Like, it's just going to be something that launches like once a month, once a day, a commercial flight to the moon to go bring up, who knows what, build the moon base, right?
Maybe they'll bring Massachips.
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All right, ladies and gentlemen.
Greg Stubey, one of our favorite congressmen from the great state of Florida.
Joining us now.
I'm not sure if he was at the launch or not, but I know he is a man who loves space, loves the space program here in this state, and he joins us live.
It's like something that I just couldn't believe it was so close to where I live.
It's about two hours away from Tampa.
I was like, man, when they do these launches, I'm going to bring my family, I'm going to bring my kids.
I got my kids' little astronaut suits.
Like, this is great.
And you could tell when you were there at the program, I had NASA employees telling me they're just so glad that they're going back to space again and not doing DEI trainings.
And it's like what they did for the last 15 years.
Well, as I listen to your monologue and your read up, I'm like, man, I got to ask for other briefings because I haven't gotten the Tim Burchett breaching.
Briefing and um, I read the article about Gates, and it seems like some guy just showed up and started talking about this.
I mean, I have gotten some briefings, but there's nothing there's no evidence that that I have seen um that tells me that it's something that's extraterrestrial.
You know, we had that, those attack, those I wouldn't say attacks, but we had those UFOs around military bases in the Virginia area and ended up being you know drones.
And they say they move at a much quicker speed, but some of the balloons can move at those speeds.
And I think it would be very ignorant for us as the United States to think that the Chinese and the Russians don't have some type of drone capability that we're not aware of.
So when I had the briefers there, I said, well, was there anything that was ever recovered from any of these things that wasn't like earth based material?
And they didn't have, there wasn't an answer for that.
So I don't, I would love to get some of these briefings that, uh, Burchard is talking about.
So maybe I need to go to the Intel Committee and be like, all right, we need some real UFO briefings if there's stuff that you guys have that you're not telling us.
There's a ton of open source information out there about these vehicles, these UFOs that are traveling at speeds that are much higher than we have anything that can travel at those speeds.
And so, one of the questions that a lot of us have had has been why don't we shoot these things down when we see them?
That Navy footage you've seen around.
There's other footage you've seen around of things flying around at a speed that we don't have capability, that we don't have anything that can fly at that speed.
And obviously, you had the big Chinese balloon that flew over during the Biden administration that they refused to shoot down until after it had traversed the entire United States.
So, one of the questions that I said was, Is there anything outside of any element or anything that's been recovered that's been outside of the United States of anything?
And I got a negative response to that.
So, I don't.
I have not seen any evidence that would give me any indication that this is something from outer space.
So, like, I live here in, you know, Fighter City, right?
I like, like, there's McDill Air Force Base, there's CENTCOM right here in Tampa.
And so I got these fighter pilots that are friends of mine, and they live in my neighborhood.
And these guys come over, and you like cook a steak, and you talk with them, and they're like, nah, dude, like, Let me tell you what happens to our jets.
Like, a red orb will just come right up to the jet, and then we'll zoom off.
We'll see them go in and out of the ocean like crazy.
We'll try and track them, but it's like really hard for our equipment.
And we're flying like the next gen Lockheed Martin style jets.
They tell me they witness this stuff and they witness it with regularity.
And it's just like an accepted phenomenon in their profession.
And you get clips like this where it's like, well, what is that if it breaks apart with a Hellfire missile fired from a Reaper drone and then it reforms?
And so, we obviously, the United States does not have vehicles that can travel at the speeds, kind of like what these pilots are talking about, that can travel at the speeds that these travel at.
So, I don't have any other information other than that.
Well, I'm glad that he's talking to the American people about what the objectives and the mission there are, because I think there's been a lot of confusion.
Why are we there?
What are we doing?
You know, what's the focus?
And I'm a military guy, so I want a mission and a purpose.
What's the objective?
Why are we doing what we're doing?
So he talked about that.
He made it very clear that his intention isn't to stay very much longer, which I think is very positive.
I think a lot of people are hoping that we're not there for a period of time.
I think there's a lot of strong conservatives that obviously don't want to.
Full on invasion, like we saw in Iraq, and boots on the ground, and a lot of our uh sons and daughters being in harm's way.
So, it was good for him to do that.
I think it sounds like they're close as it relates to the objectives that they're hitting.
I mean, one of the numbers I saw was like 200 sorties and 200 uh objectives that were hit in a day, 11,000 targets have been hit.
So, you would think we're getting close to taking out their nuclear facilities, taking out their nuclear capabilities, taking out all their ballistic missile sites.
And again, a lot of this stuff is deeply underground, which is why they had to clear the airspace to then bring in the big bombers.
To then hit those big bunker buster bombs because they're buried deep underground.
So, hopefully, we're at a point where we can cease hostilities now from a strategic standpoint.
We got to clear the Strait of Hormuz or at least have an opportunity where commercial traffic can go through the Strait.
That's probably the big focus now.
That's why you're seeing world crude prices go up where they're at because a lot of the world relies on the traffic through that Strait.
So, I think strategically now the administration is looking at how we can secure that area to ensure that.
Commercial traffic can get back to normal, and we don't have an Iranian regime that has the ability for ballistic missiles and the ability for nuclear warfare.
Do you believe that that message has been properly communicated to the American people?
Because I got to tell you, man, it's like the only things that the moms in my neighborhood care about are the gas prices, the grocery prices, and the housing prices.
And, you know, that's going to be, I think, what the midterms are decided on, right?
And so two to three weeks from now, if hostilities cease and things can start moving through the straight again, hopefully that, you know, by, you know, November.
Obviously, gas prices are going to be back down and focusing back on the generation of domestic power and oil and gas here in our country, I think, is something that this administration has done.
But you're right.
I mean, if you look at it, it's hard to see.
If you look at polling, it's kind of all over the place.
You know, there's if I go to an event in my district, half of the conservatives there agree with what we're doing to take out an Iranian regime that obviously shouldn't have their hands on nuclear power or ballistic missiles or those type of things.
And then you have the more, um, Individuals think we shouldn't be involved in any hostilities anywhere because we talked about getting out of all these things.
You saw what happened in Venezuela.
I mean, it's a great outcome there where we had a military operation.
We went in, we took out Maduro, and now we're actually working with the leaders of their country and they're selling oil to us.
And it's not a rogue nation.
They're operating the way they should be operating, totally different.
So, Iran is obviously very different.
The Middle East is very different.
You see a lot of the other countries around them.
Rallying behind us, which is good.
The Saudis and UAE and all of these different countries, instead of rallying behind the Iranians, rallying behind us because they don't want a nuclear powered Iran because it threatens them.
So I think in the next couple of weeks, if the hostilities in a month or so later, those gas prices hopefully will come down.
And then we increase production here in the United States will be very helpful.
I've actually authored bills for us to get out of NATO and the UN.
I think it's a complete waste of taxpayer dollars.
We pay, like, if you look at UN military spending, like 60% is us.
It's not other countries.
The president's been very clear that other countries need to start stepping up and paying their fair share of GDP into NATO and UN.
I think it's outlived its purpose.
Those organizations were created after World War II for obviously the European nations to rally behind each other to protect themselves against.
Communism and Nazism, and all the things that happened in World War II.
But I think that the times have changed.
If you look at the money that these European countries saved because we were spending the majority and the bulk of spending in NATO and UN, they used it on social welfare programs, which I don't think that we should be bolstering European countries so they can spend their domestic money on social welfare programs.
So I think it's far past time that we're not involved in it.
And the president has shown that we don't need the UN and we don't need NATO to conduct any type of military activity that he deems fit.
We go into Venezuela, we take out Maduro.
No UN nation was involved in that.
No NATO nation supported us in that.
And same with Iran.
So, if we don't get anything out of it, I don't understand why we continue to waste billions of dollars in taxpayer dollars in a conglomerate with other European nations that don't see policy and don't see the economy in the way that we do.
I'm not sure if we have it loaded, but I would really love to get your reaction to it because you've broken a ton of news on our program, Congressman, talking about Ilhan Omar.
And JD Vance, sort of like, frankly, off the cuff, was talking about fraud.
And he just like drops a bombshell on me and on our program just a few short days ago in the White House.
And he says, no, no, no, you don't understand.
Like, we have the documents that prove.
That Ilhan Omar committed immigration fraud.
Stephen Miller has those documents.
He's over the DHS portfolio, so he would know and have access to all of it, classified or otherwise.
And so she did commit immigration fraud, and we're now looking at remedies for that.
You've been pretty strong and full throated about what you believe Ilhan Omar has done and engaged in in the House.
From an ethical standpoint, what do you think should happen to Ilhan Omar given these revelations from the White House?
I don't know if there's a statute of limitations on those types of crimes, but there shouldn't be.
And if there is, that's something that I would love to look into and try to pass a bill in Congress.
It has no statute of limitations because if you committed fraud to become a citizen of our country or to get a visa to come into our country, then you should be held accountable for that and be deported.
So hopefully they're going to, whatever information they have, they send that to the DOJ and AG Bondi is going to take some action on it because the American people are sick and tired of being taken advantage of.
They're sick and tired of the fraud that is rampant, not just in immigration fraud, but you're seeing it with all of this social welfare programming in Minneapolis.
You're seeing it in California as it relates to all these different social welfare programs that we are footing the bill for that are going to people that don't deserve it, that aren't even here legally into our country.
So I hope that the GOJ takes whatever evidence it is and moves forward with it.
We have an ethics committee that's supposed to be doing that.
And after two years of investigation and Sheila McCormick's, that has been indicted on 15 counts of stealing $5 million in FEMA money, finally we're at the point where hopefully the ethics committee is going to meet when we get back because they had their trial.
They found her guilty of 25 of the 27 ethics violations fraud, embezzlement, stealing $5 million, campaign fraud, all these different things.
And as soon as the committee comes up with a recommendation, which I hope is expulsion, You shouldn't have a member of Congress stealing $5 million of taxpayer dollars and then laundering it to their campaign to use in campaign purposes.
I'm going to file a motion, a privileged motion in the floor to expel her as a member of Congress.
So there's the ethics committee that can investigate these things.
But as it relates to Ilhan Omar, some of the stuff that she's doing is actually legal and ethical.
I filed a bill when I first came into Congress that would prohibit and make it illegal for a member of Congress to pay their spouse through their campaign.
It's 100% legal.
She's paid her husband like $3 to $5 million out of her campaign account for consulting services to his consulting company.
That should be absolutely illegal.
It's corrupt, it's self dealing, but it's legal and it's ethical.
And I filed a bill to do away with it, and I couldn't even get a committee hearing on it.
So it's crazy the things that you legally and ethically can get away with.
And then there's the things that you're not supposed to be doing that are illegal, like this $5 million that this congresswoman from Florida.
Has stolen from the taxpayers that hopefully that finally, after two years of an investigation, there's going to be some accountability for that when we get back in a couple of weeks.
Because as soon as they render some type of judgment, I'm going to, I've already filed my motion for expulsion, but I'll call it up for a vote after they do their job.
So the Democrats are going to have to make a very, well, what's great is even if the Democrats don't vote to expel one of their own members, That'll be a great campaign issue for us in some of these tough districts.
So, you voted to not kick out a member of Congress who has been found guilty of laundering $5 million in FEMA fraud.
So, that'll be a really tough vote for them.
And quite frankly, if we're not able to expel a member of Congress for stealing $5 million of taxpayer dollars, then what's the point of having an ethics committee?
We shouldn't even have an ethics committee.
It's completely and utterly pointless if we can't police our own.
Go ahead and ask a former chief of staff to President Trump, Mark Meadows, who's a total legend, just like a straight G, and a good dude, and somebody that we're really happy to have back on the show after a bit of a hiatus, not imposed by us.
We like Mark Meadows.
Let's have a response to this breaking news.
Here we go.
Congressman, welcome back to the program.
Well, you know, you're the chief of staff for Trump.
So I guess you would know this world about as good as anyone.
I wanted to talk with you about the whip count for the Save Act.
I know we'll get there.
But since this is breaking news, here's the headline right now at the very tip top of every news site.
Listen, Benny, it's great to be with you and all your listeners and viewers.
Obviously, this is probably not.
Too unexpected, not because of the job that Pam Bondi or General Bondi is doing as much as it is.
You have a cycle in the White House.
And what we're about to see is at about 18 months, that cycle, you start to rotate people in, rotate people out.
The news that you were talking about, Lee Zeldin being a possible replacement, that is surprising.
I mean, I served with Lee, know Lee well.
I would think that actually Senator Eric Schmidt.
Might be a more normal pick, having served as AG in the state of Missouri.
But as you look at this, I think what that particular job, DOJ, is one that there is only a short window.
Having been someone who was targeted multiple times in a variety of different ways, I think the president is hyper focused on making sure not only that the house is cleaned out in DOJ, but the reputation is restored.
And you see referrals, you were talking about.
Congressman Stubbe referring potentially other members of Congress to DOJ.
The president is not someone who waits for action.
He'll give you a task.
He called me one time at 3 18 in the morning and then followed up again at 7 30 a.m. to say, How are you coming on that thing that I gave you in the middle of the night?
So he's all about action.
That's what we love about this president.
And candidly, I'm hearing about it.
Actually, you're breaking it and I'm hearing about it.
And I was Checking the news and in the Twitter feeds prior to coming on.
Well, yeah, there can be a better connection now because I'm not in that inner circle.
But Shelby's a good reporter.
You mentioned kind of a boutique.
She's not one to actually put something out on hyperbole.
But I can tell you this that oftentimes what will happen is there's a trial balloon.
And so it gets fed legitimately because it's a concern, gets fed in the media.
And then the president kind of looks at the response that his followers and his constituents may have to make sure that he's reading the room properly.
This could be nothing more than Pam Bondi has been working around the clock for 18 months and saying, hey, it's time to pass a baton.
And so we'll know more.
But I would just Just suggest to those that are tuned in right now, uh, that to take this report credibly.
You, uh, yeah, I don't, I don't see Ed Martin, uh, being the person, and and I like Ed, uh, You know, the odds on favor, honestly, are probably more Todd Blanch, you know, just stepping up.
That being said, you know, the president will look at Todd and make sure that whoever or whomever they bring in is actually somebody that can work hand in glove with him.
I think Todd has, for the most part, not only done a good job defending the president when he was in the private sector, but is working around the clock there at DOJ.
And so, I'm sure that those conversations have gone on.
But a Lee Zeldin pick or something like that, a lot of times, you know, the president will make multiple calls to different people and say, what do you think of this person or that person?
I mean, yeah, do you think that some of the frustration might have come with inaction on certain topics?
Fumbles through like the Epstein thing, which was rage inducing, quite frankly, for me and our audience.
And, you know, like here's a good example Rand Paul comes on here and he bangs on literally nonstop about how Pam Bondi won't charge Fauci and that he's like hand delivered her.
And with a bow on it, like the prosecution of Dr. Fauci.
But there is, I mean, you know, there is, there totally is.
And I think it was like a generational misread of, you know, audiences that exist on cable news, which are older and perhaps don't care as much about the Epstein issue, right?
Many of the producers are implicated in Epstein style crimes, right?
On cable TV, we know that's the truth.
You know, don't check in on Matt Lauer's office and his special button.
You know, so there's a reason why they don't want to cover it.
But, like, the online world, which are billion, not millions of viewers, billions of potential viewers, they ravenously cared about Epstein and didn't like being rug pulled, honestly.
And, Benny, you point that out is that a lot of people of my generation, you know, they feel like if it's not being talked about on cable news, it's not being talked about.
Well, I just want to thank you and maybe get a quick update on the SAVE Act.
You have been running a whip count on your ex account as to who's for and against.
It's been a practice and humiliation for the Republicans in the Senate as they can't muster 50 votes for this thing or 50 votes to end the filibuster, right?
Which is what you'd need to do, I guess, just to get it moving.
But there's a lot of different ways to skin the cat here.
And you keep, you're keeping all the senators honest.
You know, listen, I can tell you the people that are tuned in now that have actually highlighted not only my whip count, but holding them accountable.
Bravo to you.
Let me just tell you Washington, D.C. thinks that those billions of people that are tuned in right now don't matter, that they're paid influencers.
And yet, what I can say is John Thune goes on the Senate floor to put back this DHS funding.
Well, the easiest thing for him to do is, at a minimum, is attach voter ID.
To the DHS funding.
And yet they're not doing that because you get all these Republicans.
And I'm focused on the Republicans right now because they're the ones that are in the majority, have the power to do it, who say, oh, no, no, I'm for the Safe America Act, but we just can't get it done.
Benny, let me just tell you, they passed an Elizabeth Warren bill, a housing bill.
It was a bipartisan bill.
Tim Scott was the lead, Elizabeth Warren on the other.
But they passed it with 80 votes, a bipartisan bill.
And privately, many people, Benny, are referring to that as the wigwam bill.
You know, how could you let Elizabeth Warren get all these wins and socialist things?
And yet they've already passed that and sent to the House, and they can't get something as simple as voter ID.
We're going to continue to keep the pressure up.
I think not only on the DHS funding component, we may get Save America.
But when they look at the FISA reauthorization, I know I've talked to a number of colleagues in both the House and the Senate.
I said, A real easy thing is to add a few things to the Pfizer reauthorization.
Let's at least get something out of it.
But all those that are tuned in, I want to thank you for highlighting this because we've had millions of people responding and it wouldn't have even made it as far as it has had it not been for those that are tuned in.
So God bless you and God bless those that are letting their voice be heard.
Let me just tell you, when you continue to put that up, listen, the only thing that senators and House members care about is reelection.
And yet, what happens, let me just tell you a little behind the scenes to bring people in is when Scott and you and others started to highlight this, it went to that cable news crowd.
All of a sudden, I was getting people that wrote six and seven figure checks to Republican members who were saying, oh, hold on just a second.
I can't believe they can't get this passed.
It's an 85% issue.
And now what happens is they're saying, well, I'm going to withhold my dollars from you if you're not willing to get this done.
They're just constantly so weak on messaging, so weak on actually getting views or having anybody tune in online or like, you know, staying consistent on message.
Yeah, I mean, listen, I would love for Lindsey Graham to be able to wave his magic bubble wand and instead of bombing another Middle Eastern country to pass the Flipping Save Act.
You know, obviously, that was a big deal back then, but it's a bigger deal now.
I can tell you that was not one of my top looks back in the day.
I will say there are obviously a lot more to the story behind it.
JD Vance, Vice President Vance, obviously, has weighed in on that.
You know, listen, I come from the mountains of North Carolina and live now in the upstate of South Carolina.
We think there needs to be a Sasquatch viewership and a Sasquatch caucus.
I think that that would go really well.
Listen, everybody looks at those kind of things as certainly something they would like to know from not only the classified briefings, but other intel.
And yet, it seems like the lack of transparency makes it.
Grow bigger than it actually is.
But with a top secret clearance, I can tell you that was not one of the things in my morning briefings that I would get from the CIA.
Every member of the Trump administration who I like sit down with or have like meet or, you know, get a chance to talk to, it's like, I beg of you, you have to show your work.
Right.
Like people just, people are not going to just believe you.
I was thinking about this, and I think there are various sources that say this that you can have, you obviously have permanent allegiance based on being born in whatever country you're from.
That's what everybody recognizes.
But you also have local allegiance when you are on the soil of this other sovereign.
And I was thinking, you know, I, a US citizen, am visiting Japan, and what it means is that, you know, if I steal someone's wallet in Japan, The Japanese authorities can arrest me and prosecute me.
It's allegiance, meaning can they control you as a matter of law?
I can also rely on them if my wallet is stolen to, you know, under Japanese law, go and prosecute the person who has stolen it.
So there's this relationship based on, even though I'm a temporary traveler, I'm just on vacation in Japan, I'm still locally owing allegiance in that sense.
There's not a single person on earth that thinks you should be allowed to go to any country you want on earth and start murdering or stealing, raping or pillaging.
It's nobody.
Nobody thinks that.
Nobody thinks that.
So, what's going on here exactly?
Tony Brown Jackson is trying to make a case that her going to Japan and thieving, committing crimes, makes her Japanese.
It's a birthright citizenship argument.
Going to Japan and stealing doesn't make her Japanese.
It makes her a sub room temperature IQ black American woman nominated by a mentally incompetent white guy who couldn't even sign his own commission to the Supreme Court.
So, is her nomination even real?
Is a great question.
If the guy who's nominating her can't sign his own name and doesn't know who she is, and Joe Biden didn't know who she is, Joe Biden met her and, like, seriously, still didn't know who she was.
Is she even really a Supreme Court Justice?
Sure as hell doesn't sound like a Supreme Court Justice.
All the ums and ahs, pauses, and saying like.
Sounds like a Valley girl.
She sounds like the clue girl, right?
But fast forward to her actual argument, please.
Let's get past the syntax.
The fact that this lady doesn't even know what a woman is.
Joe Biden, there's no black woman.
So she likes to stand there all the time as the token black woman, literally, the token black woman, is South Park episode.
We lived through a live South Park episode.
That's what we lived through.
So, live South Park episode, Joe Biden, I have a black woman.
So, I see her, I found a black woman, stand her up like the cardboard Ayatollah, and then she's asked what a woman is, and she doesn't know.
So, like, what the hell is that?
She's not a real Supreme Court justice.
I don't believe that she's actually lawfully on the Supreme Court.
That's what I believe.
And you should be with me on that because you don't want other countries to realize how stupid we actually are.
Like, how truly low IQ.
I mean, I just can't tell you how much Katanji Brown sets back DEI, black women.
She actually sets them back.
You know, the whole thing is like, we're going to show what you can accomplish.
No, it sets you back.
Because the dumbest argument, not only are you getting totally nominated because of your skin color, right?
Which is just like reverse Jim Crow.
But not because of your brains, but then you're proving again and again that you're too dumb to be on the Supreme Court, that you're too dumb to probably navigate the subway to parallel park, to get Uber Eats, a big arch, get McRib on Uber Eats.
She wouldn't know how to do it.
She'd have to steal it if she was in Japan.
The question at hand is about birthright citizenship.
It's about whether infinity foreigners, 8 billion people, can all travel to America, pop out a kid, and they're all Americans, which is dumb.
No other country does that.
No other country would ever consider doing that.
No, in Japan, if Kataji Brown Jackson went over to Japan and popped out a baby, they wouldn't consider that baby Japanese.
It would be very smart for the Japanese to not consider that baby Japanese with full voting rights for Japan, with full welfare rights for Japan.
That would be suicidal for Japan.
To have Katanji Brown Jackson's progeny in Japan.
That's what the actual question is.
The question is about committing crimes.
Can we argue the ideas here?
The semantics here is obscene and really, really hard to listen to.
So, anyway, like, why even make, like, what are we even doing here?
If we have Supreme Court justices that are too dumb to even understand what birthright citizenship is, And how the example that you're using doesn't apply.
Of course, everyone, if you go to any country and you commit a crime, you should be held accountable for the crime that you commit.
The question is are our laws suicidal?
Are they interpreted correctly?
Is this post Reconstruction Civil War statute that applied to slaves, like the children of slaves, should that apply to a Guatemalan?
Should that apply to infinity Indians?
Should that apply to every Russian?
Should that apply to the truly peoples of Earth?
Does that make them all Americans if they're able to just get their asses to an American territory?
You don't even have to go to America.
You just go to like Guam.
You can go to the Philippines.
This is where all the Chinese go to have their secret American babies.
You travel the Philippines.
You don't even have to go far.
You just go to an American territory and pop out a kid, and that's an American forever.
That's suicidal as a country, as a people, as a culture.
Those children have no allegiance to America.
They're being used as weapons against us.
And Kataji Brown Jackson is like the perfect result of what happens when the dumbest people in society are weaponized against us.
In fact, I hate them with every fiber of my being.
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All right, what are the chances?
Pam Bondi, let's go ahead and look here.
What are the chances of Pam Bondi out as Attorney General by when?
When?
38% that she's out by next week or two weeks from now.
95% that she's out by December 31st.
That would be, of course, in a couple, you know, eight, 12, eight months.
So the chances just kind of exponentially increase here for Pam Boddy.