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June 3, 2025 - The Benny Show - Benny Johnson

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🚨PANIC: DOJ Investigating Autopen Pardon Scandal After Biden Health BOMBSHELL | 'Null and VOID!'

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peter doocy ▲ ● ▼		This is coming today from a Reuters report where it says Ed Martin, the Justice Department's pardon attorney, What are you talking about at the moment?
unidentified		Unification of our country?
unidentified		You know, I didn't know that he gave a pardon to his family because he did it during my speech.
peter doocy ▲ ● ▼		He didn't tell you to stand alone?
unidentified		No, he didn't tell me.
		No, no.
		He did it.
		They released it during my speech.
peter doocy ▲ ● ▼		And we're hoping to get details at some point this morning about which Justice Department officials are going to be looking into this, which laws they think might have been broken, and whether or not, if these pardons are found to be illegitimate somehow, the Justice Department wants to prosecute some Bidens.
unidentified		Listen, Jack.
		There is no stopping what is coming.
		There is no stopping what is coming.
		There is no stopping what is coming.
		Oh, man.
		All right.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, does Joe Biden deserve the Terminator?
		Isn't the Terminator role in Terminator 2, isn't it too iconic, Jerry?
		We have this ongoing dialogue with Jerry live on the show because I don't watch.
		I don't.
		I promise you.
		Klein can attest.
		Klein's sitting right here.
		He's the most honest man I've ever met.
		He's never lied.
		Klein's not a liar, okay?
		They're straight and narrow.
		Straight as an arrow, this guy.
		I don't watch the memes ahead of time.
		I don't.
		I want to watch him live with you, and I'm going to react live with you.
		So, Jerry, isn't Terminator 2, isn't Arnold Schwarzenegger Terminator 2?
		Like, isn't he the hero?
		Does Joe Biden deserve that?
		Let me know, Chad.
		Let me know.
		Today is Tuesday, June 3rd, 2025.
		Man, we're not covered in rainbow vomit.
		It's unbelievable.
		Something wild has happened in culture, and we documented something remarkable yesterday.
		Can't wait to share it with you.
		Trump's Justice Department has decided they will be investigating criminally Joe Biden's pardons and use of the auto pen.
		Uh-oh!
		How is Joe Biden going to explain 8,000 pardons?
		Somebody, please, please, very slowly and calmly explain that to me.
		How does Joe Biden, who we saw, fall ass-backwards down the Air Force One stairs multiple times?
		We saw Joe Biden fall flat on his face walking across a flat stage.
		We saw Joe Biden incapable of using the English language, making up words.
		He went through and reviewed 8,000 pardons?
		No.
		No.
		It was a criminal enterprise.
		The entire White House.
		It was a fake White House.
		It was a fake presidency.
		It was a criminal enterprise.
		Donald Trump saying that Joe Biden's a robot and that he's a clone and that there is no Joe Biden.
		We'll explore that interesting claim today, ladies and gentlemen.
		Target has canceled Pride Month officially.
		We're excited to show you the evidence of all that.
		Representatives Daryl Issa, Will Chamberlain, and Brett Tolman will be joining the program.
		A suite of legal experts to talk about the Biden pardons and greater cultural issues.
		Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Benny Johnson, and this is The Benny Show.
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	Okay.
	All right.
	I know, I know that maybe people are like, okay, it's a culture war.
	It was like, why do you care about Target?
	Why do you care about Bud Light?
	Why does it matter?
	It matters because these are things that belong to all of us.
	It's like when you watch someone desecrate the American flag.
	It's like when you watch somebody burn an American flag.
	Like, no, no, effer, that belongs to us.
	That doesn't belong to you.
	That belongs to all of us.
	It's almost like, if you want to even rewind it back a little bit, it's like watching your local sports team that you grew up watching make a terrible decision.
	Right?
	Who's going to be the coach or who's going to be...
	The Patriots getting rid of Tom Brady, sending him down to Tampa to win another Super Bowl.
	Clearly the Patriots had another Super Bowl in them.
	They just moved the Patriots down to Tampa and we won a Super Bowl.
	Look at that.
	That's painful.
	It sucks to sit there.
	And to watch it because you're like, wow, I like the Patriots.
	That hurts me because that kind of belongs to me, right?
	It's part of my being.
	It's fabric.
	It's a part of how I identify myself, right?
	And so when you have these large-scale brands that are being used to push groomer, satanic propaganda on our children, well, that's really dangerous because not only are these brands really powerful, And, you know, really wealthy.
	And to be taken to have such an asset used in wartime.
	I mean, it's a war, right?
	We're fighting a war.
	Remember, this is a culture war.
	It's a battle.
	Someone's going to win and someone's going to lose.
	There's no such thing as a stalemate in war.
	Someone's always winning and someone's always losing.
	So, like, it's a very scary moment to see such, you know, billion and trillion dollar companies taken and, like, totally shot through.
	By our political enemies and used as a cudgel against us and then going after our children.
	How many children go through Target?
	The Target one is almost more important than the Bud Light one.
	Because there's no kids drinking Bud Light.
	Unless you're in the high hills of Arkansas.
	We're not encouraging that on this show.
	I'm just saying.
	There's a lifestyle in Appalachia.
	But the point is that the Bud Light thing was purely an adult thing.
	Technically.
	Right?
	It's like an adult.
	Alcohol is like, you know, 21 and older kind of thing.
	Target was a kid's thing.
	And I want to bring you, just because I want to, like, cover this quickly, because, you know, now we're three days into whatever fake Pride Month thing that they have made up.
	It's like, you know, America's birthday gets one day.
	Veterans Day and Memorial Day is just one day, right?
	But there's an entire Pride Month that's obscene.
	This should be called Veterans Month, I guess.
	You know, Pro-America Month.
	Donald Trump's doing America 250.
	We have big announcements on that coming.
	America 250, that's the celebration of America for an entire year.
unidentified		Boom!
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		That's how it's done.
		The point of this little rant is that these things matter.
		This is a battlefield, and our enemies, which are demonic predators, right?
		Our enemies are taking these huge brands.
		And using them to literally targeting our children with them.
		And using them against us.
		And that's a show of force and cultural power.
		That's a loss for us in the culture war.
		Well, damn it, we wouldn't allow it.
		That's something we're not going to let happen here.
		So we became sort of the face, I think, in part, of the boycott target movement.
		This boycott target movement was rip-roaring.
		Local Target.
		And we showed people what this was.
		You know, sometimes you see these things online and you're like, that can't be real.
		So we went and checked it out.
		About 15 minutes from where we broadcast, there's a Target.
		Get in my car.
		Head over there.
		Here's what I found inside of Target.
		This is going to make your stomach turn.
		Again, it's like looking at the ruins of like a bygone child-sacrificing cult in like the high Amazon.
		When I was watching it myself in pre-production, I couldn't believe how bad things had gotten.
		Here's what Target looked like before we, as a movement, changed this country.
		Here we go.
		Continue.
		All right, so about 15 steps in, here we are, ladies and gentlemen.
		Right here, right at the front of the store, right here in Tampa, Florida.
		Here's not just the display with adults featured in it, but toddlers featured in it.
		It's a little kid right in front of the Pride display, along with, of course, an adult wearing a shirt with naked adults on them.
		He, he, they.
		Got it?
		And no one's wearing clothes.
		Right next to the little kit.
		What I find interesting about this is that it's also right next to the children's section.
unidentified		See this?
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		This is all the kids section here.
		Don't tell me that's by accident.
		There you go.
		You literally can't get to this kids section without walking through here.
		Let's go check out some of these items.
		We've got bibs.
		I am always proud of you.
unidentified		Bibs.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Bibs.
		he, she, zay, they.
		An enormous portion of the content inside of this pretty massive display,'cause it goes from Infants, in fact.
		I am proud.
		This one's in Spanish.
		I wonder how many of these they've sold.
		Right next to the trans people will always exist, sure.
		Here is a 12 months pride onesie.
		Target's saying they got rid of these.
		Nope.
		And here is the famous tuck.
		Tuckable swimsuit.
		Here, tucked away.
		Not too subtly.
		There you go.
unidentified		There it is.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Tuck friendly.
		Unlike Alex Stein, I'm not going to try one of these on.
		But there's your extra crotch coverage for whatever private part you decide to put into this 3x swimsuit here.
		That's on you.
		You can see some of the clothing is adult-themed, but a considerable portion of it is child-themed.
		See here, a teeny little skirt.
		This is 5T, so this is for toddlers.
		Just absolutely shocking stuff.
		But here, this is very interesting.
		Look at this.
		We belong everywhere.
		This somewhat benign piece is actually designed by this company, which is a satanic company.
		This is literally made by Satanists.
		Eric Carnell is a Satanist.
		Now, Target says he has a love of all things spooky to create his work.
		Nope.
		This guy is the guy who says Satan uses preferred pronouns.
		This is the guy who says, we're hanging with Satan.
		So this is Target, and this is...
		Here's the Satanic product.
		There's the entrance.
		This is the Satanist product.
		They said that they took down.
unidentified		They lied.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Target's lying.
		Target has lied.
		This is all a lie.
		You have, of course, the Sam Smith album, also the Satanist album.
		And then you have the Tell Me They're Not Grooming, My Queer Year.
		Look at this.
		It's a diary for little kids.
unidentified		Here's a diary for little kids.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Passion.
		Passion.
		Passion is an intense diary deep down in your soul.
		It can be for anything, any feeling in fulfillment.
		When you're doing an activity that you enjoy.
		Oh, okay.
		What is your ultimate guilty pleasure?
		What if you didn't have to feel guilt around it?
unidentified		Hold up!
		Wait a minute!
		Something ain't right!
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, definitely.
		Definitely no agenda there.
		No agenda here.
		Here we go.
		Again, that's the kids section.
		This is right next to the kids section.
		The Heartstopper.
		It's a coloring book that's effectively just people, like adults.
		It's a children's coloring book of adults and young people making out.
		There's, this is it.
		See it?
		Fight the system.
		See that?
		Because cisgender people It's worse than I possibly imagined.
		They have, of course, doggy toys.
		So there you are, ladies and gentlemen.
		The official tour.
		The majority of it's baby clothes.
		And that's because Target not only hasn't moved it, but it's right next to the children's section.
		Here's your tour.
		It is 100% for real.
		This is not people.
		These are not people freaking out, causing a panic.
		cartoon shirt of naked adults inside the children section.
		And in case you're wondering if this is something that is marketed to children, So don't believe the propaganda.
		Don't believe the press releases.
		Watching that, I wonder, how did people escape criminal penalty?
		You know, under this administration, Alex, would you grab the FBI post from yesterday?
		Under this administration, Target may well have, like, faced some type of, like, severe criminal penalty.
		And the people behind that may have had to answer in court to the DOJ.
		Praise God.
		Because millions of Christians...
		Wild.
		This coming from the official FBI account with, I don't know, millions of followers?
		I'd have to assume, right?
		It's like 3.8 million followers.
		Okay.
		The FBI has as many followers on X as we do.
		Hey, you know what?
		That's a good fight to have.
		Help the FBI protect children.
		As Attorney General, Has made clear we will protect our children and hold accountable those who mutilate them in the guise of gender-affirming care.
		Report tips for any hospitals, clinics, or practitioners that perform these surgical procedures on children.
		Look at the difference an election makes.
		Could you imagine what would have happened if we hadn't won this last election?
		It would have been the target video on steroids.
		This is our reality.
		Why?
		Okay, so that's, okay.
		Absolute and total degeneracy pushed upon our children, pushed upon us, using our businesses, our companies, using iconic Fast forward to today, the FBI is saying anybody who harms a child or engages in genital mutilation is going to be criminally penalized to the fullest extent of the law.
		How do we get from here to there?
		Well, glory to God.
		Praise God.
		Millions and millions of Christian mothers, fathers, believers, got together, And said, enough!
		We decided that we weren't going to take it anymore.
		And when anybody tells you you have no cultural power, I want to just remind you of this moment.
		That all of us, in our own way, I wasn't going to wear the tuck swimsuit.
		Alex Stein wore the tuck swimsuit.
		Alex Stein got into the swimsuit and, like, pranced around and kept asking Target, people at Target, whether he looked, you know, whether it tucked enough.
		We don't need the audio on this, but feel free to play it.
		We all decided in our own way, this is Alex Stein's way, my way was, you know, I'm just going to show you what they're doing.
		We decided that this was going to be a target, for lack of a better term, that we were going to go after.
		That we had had enough.
		That this wasn't going to stand.
	Not in our nation, not in our Christian nation.
	And that we were going to attack.
	Now, physically, like the left does, we were going to use the pressure systems that exist in free market capitalism and shame, because shame still does exist in this society, and we were going to destroy Target.
	Now, Alex Stein wore the tuck swimsuit.
	Other friends of us, Forgiato Blow, he's a rapper who lives not too far from us, wrote a song.
	That was a number one billboard chart-topping hit.
	It went triple platinum.
	Please, like, take a moment and understand how united we were on these issues, how important it was that we stood a line together and said, no effing more.
	You have crossed the line.
	Here is us with Forgiato.
	Just a short clip detailing how and why he wrote the song and then he drives his Trump MAGA truck straight into Target.
unidentified		Watch.
		There's a cleanup on every aisle.
		Target is targeting your kids.
		We got a Trump truck on a Trump truck.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		I want everyone to see it.
		Watching.
		It's real love.
		I just love Forgiato's content.
		Like, it's real.
		It's real love.
		Boycott Target.
		The number one song in America.
		No way conservatives could actually top the rap chart.
		You've never heard of Forgiato Blow.
		On this episode of The Benny Show, we are going to show you a conservative Forgiato Blow is a Florida-based MAGA rapper.
		He's also the number one artist in America right now.
		His song Boycott Target is the top of the charts number one song in all categories.
		He's beating Morgan Wallen, Luke Combs, and Taylor Swift in the charts right now.
unidentified		It just feels like it's more than music now at this point.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Forge Auto Blow is going to celebrate today by taking us to Target.
		How are we going to get there?
		The Magamobile.
		Let's take a tour.
unidentified		Hey, what's up, man?
		It's Forge Auto Blow, the mayor of Magaville.
		And welcome to Trump Truck 47, your future president, Donald J. Trump.
		So look right here, we got United We Stand, We're Biden We Fall.
		I think we all know that.
		This is a part that was on my last truck.
		Come here to the back.
		United we stand, we're bottom we fall.
ed martin ▲ ● ▼		But I love this so much I kept it on this truck.
ed martin ▲ ● ▼		47, got the details, you got Trump all in here.
unidentified		Boom, we got the White House on here.
		We got that Florida Everglade Trump here coming with the guns.
		Lady Liberty.
ed martin ▲ ● ▼		This is my favorite part of my new truck though, R.I.P.
ed martin ▲ ● ▼		Ashley Babbitt.
unidentified		I feel like you know a lot of people aren't saying her name.
		One thing about me, I'm always putting on for Ashley Babbitt.
		This is cool, you know Trump in here doing the Trump dance.
ed martin ▲ ● ▼		The backs of my trucks are always very iconic.
ed martin ▲ ● ▼		This right here is history.
unidentified		You know, the big one-two having a little spat, having a little argument.
		Standing with Trump and we're not ready to give him up yet.
		Great governor.
		I don't think he's ready to be president yet.
ed martin ▲ ● ▼		We got the iconic Trump doll here.
unidentified		Trump's nephew.
ed martin ▲ ● ▼		We got a Trump truck on a Trump truck.
unidentified		Have you ever seen that, people?
ed martin ▲ ● ▼		We put a truck on a truck.
		Going over a little Joe Biden's Corvette.
		Got the fake news right there.
unidentified		Come on, man.
		This is what I feel.
		We got the bear on here.
ed martin ▲ ● ▼		Trump's got to come with this aggression.
unidentified		And then Crocodile Dundee Trump, like I said, this is that Florida boy truck that Everglades.
		See the tattoos on Trump?
		Got Malani on him right there.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		My producer's telling me we got guests, and so we got to keep moving on the show.
		I'm sitting back watching it being like, wow.
		I'm so proud of our movement.
		I'm so proud of what we've accomplished.
		Look at the creative energy.
		Have you ever seen the left put this kind of creative energy into anything?
		Look at the grassroots.
		Okay, yeah, probably from like, right from like some type of like greedy, greasy Hollywood corporate pablum, like executive suite level, like Soros level, like straight from on down, like reading from the teleprompter Beyonce stuff, right?
		No, this is like grassroots love.
		And it was just, it was just regular Americans.
		Joining in this, an actual movement.
		Unlike the left, which is completely astroturf, this was an actual movement.
		And they were targeting our kids, and we did assist in this, and praise be to God.
		Now, yesterday, I went to the same target, the exact same location.
		The same target.
		It's June 3rd.
		So you'd think that everything would be rip-roaring, right?
		Bunch of dildos in the children's section, I'm sure.
		You know, like what you'd expect, right?
		Turn the whole thing into some type of like sick groomer perversion.
		That's what I saw like not too long ago.
		Same month, same target.
		But you would be shocked at how much a, and here's a good, here's the shot right there.
		Number one billboard.
		Number one billboard.
		Boycott target beating Taylor Swift, Morgan Wallen.
		And Luke Combs.
		Look at that.
		Man.
		I think we've beaten Taylor Swift a couple times on there.
		There you go.
		This is the power of our movement.
		And it's good to just, like, take a step back and, like, bask in the victories.
		Because this all, all of it added up.
		And there's only so much these corporations can take.
		And those corporations ultimately are nothing without the paying customer.
		And so the paying customer said no, wrote songs that were the top of the charts, trolled them online.
		I mean, these videos that we did, ALX, how many views did they do?
		They did hundreds of millions of views.
		The videos we did did hundreds of millions of views.
		You know, tens of thousands of comments.
		So I'm just like, we're just like proud to be part of this movement with you, right?
		We're fighting alongside you.
		And now check out what happened.
		Same target, same place.
		Same location.
		I went yesterday.
		And you wouldn't believe it if I told you.
		So luckily I had my camera with me and I'll film it for you.
		But they replaced the satanic groomer display that was like a quarter of the store.
		They replaced that with a MAGA display.
		Oh, you think I'm lying to you?
		No way we could have won this hard.
		Get ready.
		Here we go.
unidentified		Guys, it's June 2nd, a couple days into Pride Month.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		We are here at our local Target in Tampa, Florida, where we went thermonuclear viral last year by exposing the satanic groomer display targeted at children in this location.
		There was a major backlash at the time, and Target ended up actually removing a lot of these items from their floor in a humiliation for the entire brand.
		But we're back to check and see what kind of a display they have This year, since so much has changed culturally, will they still be on the groomer, satanic, gender-bending, trans timeline?
		Or is Target going to change?
		We've heard some interesting reports.
unidentified		Let's go find out.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		We've got fireworks.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		That's a good start.
unidentified		And then, what is happening?
		Impressive.
		Very nice.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		This is remarkable.
		I can't believe it's real.
		This was where the Degenerate Groomer display was last year, and now it's been replaced by a father and a son.
		This is crazy.
		Red, white, blue, star-spangled banner.
		Gone are the satanic items, and in are the American flag vintage threads.
		And now we're just kind of walking around seeing, maybe can we find something?
		Well, we might have some Lizzo body positivity here.
		You ever see anything like it?
		I just can't believe it.
		Again, all of this And now it's been replaced with a MAGA display.
		So I don't know if Joanna Gaines went and made a couple phone calls or what, but...
		Maybe it's just mine, but I'm seeing reports of this all across the internet.
		That they have eliminated the satanic groomer displays and changed them to MAGA displays.
		What a difference a cultural moment makes.
		This is neck snapping.
		This is what they've replaced it with.
		Reporting from a much better target, ladies and gentlemen, we win.
		You are powerful, never forget that, and we can defeat evil.
unidentified		laughter
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and by the way, did you know that Disney fired thousands and thousands yesterday?
		Yeah.
		The entire team that brought you Woke Snow White was now in a breadline.
		They're now in breadlines.
		Oh, yeah, baby.
		Oh, man.
		And they can't even get jobs at Target anymore.
		Now everyone who worked at Disney is now getting a job at Target, and Target ain't even hiring these gooners.
		What a victory.
		Thank you for making all of this possible.
		Us together, right?
		That this is something the left doesn't have.
		Authentic, real grassroots movements.
		Real audiences.
unidentified		So, shout out to the chat!
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		You!
		We love you.
		This is a massive victory for us.
		I couldn't find anything.
		I couldn't find anything.
		Replaced entirely yesterday.
		And go to your local Target.
		That video's up on my social media.
		X would be what I'd prefer.
		But go and find that video.
		There it is right there.
		Go to my X. Go to your local Target.
		And film it yourself.
		If you'd like.
		Post a video.
		Show me.
		But, you know, Target's corporate, so this stuff comes down from the top.
		And from the top, they said, it's not worth it.
		Their boycott was so successful, they made it untenable for us.
		We're not gonna do it.
		We're done.
		And we win.
		Ah, it feels good to win.
		Man, it feels good to win.
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	All right, ladies and gentlemen.
	So victory, victory, victory, and more victories.
	It's exciting to see.
	And now we see something remarkable from the White House.
	Now, Donald Trump, Donald Trump said that Joe Biden's a robot and a clone and that Joe Biden doesn't exist anymore.
	Now, while I don't have exactly like some type of secret document to share with you on this, this is a post that President Trump put up this weekend in a repost of a photo of him on Truth Social.
	What I do have is some very troubling bits of information about there being two Joe Bidens.
	And what do we mean by that?
	We mean that there's been two Joe Bidens.
	Sort of like lingering around the White House.
	Maybe there's been four.
	Maybe there's been seven.
	Who knows?
	My favorite was the seven-foot-tall Biden that they marched out in front of the Rose Garden that one time.
	Really hilarious.
	Really hilarious timeline there.
	The point is that Donald Trump, you know, just put up this post this weekend, and the caption is really something else.
	The caption says, there is no Joe Biden, that Joe Biden is either a robot or a clone.
	Two Bidens.
	Now, we have visual proof that there are two Bidens.
	We have the proof that there are, in fact, two Bidens.
	There's a clip that's great.
	You have it?
	Okay.
	It's a clip that's great that really shows the difference here between, like, what they were trying to trot out as a Biden, as a, quote, the Joe Biden.
	Here's two very different Joe Biden.
	Not only do they, I mean, let's play it without the sound for just a sec.
	Not only is there, like, different hairlines, different skin powers, different eyes.
	Different ears.
	Different lighting.
	Even though he's in the same spot.
	Even though he's in the same location wearing the same suit.
	But also his voice is entirely different.
	Here we go.
unidentified		I could never forget that.
joe biden ▲ ● ▼		How did we get the price down?
joe biden ▲ ● ▼		Just a moment, ladies and gentlemen.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		There's slight technical difficulty.
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		Klein, don't worry.
		I got it.
		What's that?
		Yeah, yeah.
		That's fine.
		That's fine.
		Killer Klein's going to have to refresh here for a second.
		Slight technical difficulty.
		It is what happens on a live show.
		But, ladies and gentlemen, we continue.
		So, as Killer Klein refreshes, we're going to move on to Ed Martin.
		Ed Martin was on our program.
		And was announcing that they were going to be doing a full investigation into the Joe Biden auto pen scandal.
		Now, whatever you think about the number of Bidens there might or might not be, or how robotic Joe Biden is, there's definitely no way that Joe Biden signed 8,000 pardons.
		And there's no way that he competently signed all of those pardons, as Ed Martin described and discussed on our program.
		Here we go.
		Fake news that you made a ton of news with earlier in the week, talking about right, when half these pardons are signed?
		Is this legal?
ed martin ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, Benny, just to say, President Trump is really, obviously, I admire him, but he's also very kind because the pardon attorney, which is what I am also, I'm serving as the United States pardon attorney, is a really unique spot.
		And you go back in history, even way back in the Federalist Papers, I think it was number 74. It turns out, I think it was Hamilton was writing about the power of the pardon is something that can restore tranquility to the Commonwealth, is the phrase that he used.
		It's a really unique thing.
		President Trump has done it.
		Well, he's been very careful.
		Alice Johnson is the pardon czar, actually.
		She's in the White House, and she's someone who has a great story.
		It's a kindness, right?
		It's real.
		It's important.
		And it's in the Constitution.
		But I will say, and I've said it over and over, when something, as a prosecutor, when something is so unprecedented, it's a reason to take a look.
		It may not be probable cause to arrest people yet.
		It may not even be probable cause to subpoena things or to do sort of seizures.
		But when you see something that's outrageous and unprecedented, it's a reason to look.
		It's outrageous and unprecedented.
		For Joe Biden to do these pardons for, you know, over a decade, blanket pardons, not blanket pardons as to, you know, when you did this, you're pardoned on everything related to it, which is normal.
		It's anything you thought of or did back for years and years and years.
		By the way, you know, Comey, you know, Comey has, I think Comey got a pardon.
		Forgive me if I forget.
		But if he got a pardon, what he did today is not covered by the pardon.
		You know, what he did yesterday is not covered, just to be clear.
		So, but what I'm saying is this.
		When you see something so unprecedented, it looks like everybody who is touching a major scandal that may or may not have had corruption involved, COVID, Ukraine, they all got pardons.
		Hunter Biden got pardons, he touched China, all this.
		You say, wait a second, is there something going on here?
		And then you say the auto pen, where now, you know, Jake Tapper is saying that Biden was so gone that they were clearly not paying, he wasn't running things.
		You start to get to a point where you say, was somebody manipulating things, right?
		You know, we know these people like Anita Dunn and Ron Klain, and those people were dominant figures in Biden world.
		Were they the ones doing the pardons?
		And if they were, then we've got a question that we have to, about the validity.
		So we're going to get into this.
		I value So you heard that interview on our program, and thank you for sticking with us.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		I've never seen anything like it.
		There was a horrible glitch on our...
		And we had to do a full reboot.
		So we appreciate you guys sticking with us.
		We're live!
unidentified		We're live!
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		We let it rip!
		Unlike some other shows, we actually let it rip.
		We don't do pre-records and fake that we're live and run it as a live.
		That does happen quite a bit.
		We're literally live.
		So when Tim Burchett comes on or when Daryl Issa comes on, these guys spit fire and, you know.
		You know, you're getting the real thing, right?
		There's no sanitization here.
		There's no editing.
		It's just like real life.
		This is the way that it is.
		Well, here's some real life for Joe Biden's crew.
		Trump Justice Department has now officially launched criminal investigation examining pardons issued by Biden.
		You heard that live on our show, and now you're hearing this live on our show.
		Probe will question Biden's competency in use of the auto pen.
		Presidents have authority to issue pardons, but they have no authority to...
		Have a machine run by somebody else without their knowledge issue the pardons?
		Why don't you bring in Joe Biden and just pick a couple names out of a hat?
		Have 8,000 names in a hat, pick a name out of a hat, and say, hey, Joe Biden, do you know who this person is?
		You gave them a pardon for murder.
		Do you know who this person is?
		Bill Smith.
		Try it.
		A senior official in the Republican U.S. President Donald Trump's Justice Department told staff on Monday that he has been directed to investigate clemency granted by Joe Biden in the waning days of the presidency, members of the family, and death row inmates.
		Ed Martin, Justice Department's pardon attorney, wrote an email seen by Reuters that the investigation involves whether Biden was competent and whether others were taking advantage of him through the auto pen and other means.
		The auto pen is a device used to automatically affix the signature of a document.
		Trump and his supporters have made a variety of unfounded claims.
		Biden used advice while president...
		Oh, yes, you're right.
		Take the stance that Joe Biden wasn't fully aware of things.
		In an email, the email stated that Martin's investigation focused on preemptive pardons Biden issued several members of the family.
		Clemency spared 37 federal inmates from death row penalties, sentences, prior life in prison.
		This is big money.
		This is big money.
		There's constant scandals of people paying for pardons.
		This is massive corruption.
		We've had members of Congress on this program.
		We had Ed Martin on this program.
		Ed Martin told you the truth.
		He told you what he was about to do live on this show.
		And now, ladies and gentlemen, let's go live to Jill Biden at the very last Joe Biden cabinet meeting.
		What a crazy time to be alive.
		This is the kind of stuff that you watch and it gives you PTSD.
		This is Joe Biden running Biden's last cabinet meeting.
		I want you to take a look at Joe Biden.
		Take a look at the way that he behaves.
		How he's acting.
		And ask yourself this.
		Does Joe Biden have the ability to find his way out of a closet?
		We heard that this weekend from a whistleblower.
		Secret Service whistleblower tells Josh Hawley that Joe Biden would get lost in the closet.
		Okay?
		Just in time for Pride Month.
		So here we go.
		Here's Joe Biden's final cabinet meeting.
		You tell me.
		Did this guy sign 8,000 pardons?
unidentified		Go.
joe biden ▲ ● ▼		I'm grateful.
		And Jill is here today.
		Heard that clapping.
		It wasn't for me.
		And here across previous administration, first ladies have attended these meetings for specific reasons.
		This is the first time Jill has joined us and goes to show how important the issue is, which she's about to speak to the both of us.
		Today at the top of our meeting, Jill is going to give an update on the House initiative, White House initiative.
		Fundamentally changed the approach and how we approach and fund women's health services.
		So I'd like to turn it over to Jill for any comments she has.
		It's all yours, kid.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Again, he doesn't even look like Biden.
		Look at that.
		It's elder abuse.
		Who's in charge?
		Who's in charge here?
		If Joe Biden's getting lost in the closet, and here's the, here's, this was big national news all weekend.
		Joe Biden lost, gets lost in the closet.
		Joe Biden, from Yahoo News.
		Here we go.
		Confused Joe Biden would continually get lost in the closet according to his personal secret service.
		Jill knew.
		Jill knew.
		This is why we keep asking, like, you know, maybe it's time to focus up on Joe Biden, right?
		So we've asked on this program, Ron Johnson, who's in charge of the investigation in the Senate.
		Ron Johnson said, yes, we are focusing on Joe Biden.
ron johnson ▲ ● ▼		We need to bring these people in one at a time, individually transcribed interviews, compare what they tell us to what other people tell us.
		This isn't going to be swift.
		This is no time for a swift show trial type of hearing.
		You bring people before us without having the documentation to back up the investigations and the interviews.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Are you going to bring in Joe Biden?
ron johnson ▲ ● ▼		I can't say that right now.
ron johnson ▲ ● ▼		Right now we're going to focus on elected and appointed officials and find out what they know, and then we'll see where the investigation leads us.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Would you consider bringing in Jill Biden?
ron johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, listen, if I have to subpoena people, I'll subpoena them.
ron johnson ▲ ● ▼		And based on what we find out, we'll request additional interviews and subpoena people that we think we need to talk to.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Again, I intend to And Carolyn Levitt has said we should go after Jill Biden from the White House press dais.
		One final thing, President Trump has said we should really get to talking to Jill Biden.
		Nobody's going to know better than Jill, whether Joe Biden is, in fact, a robot or a clone.
		Could you imagine having to live with multiple Joe Bidens?
		Goodness gracious.
		Or what happened?
peter doocy ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that Dr. Jill Biden should also have to come in and testify about what she did or didn't do?
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hate the concept of it.
		It's the wife of a man who was going through a lot of problems, and everybody that dealt with him understood that.
		And I guess it came out during the debate loud and clear.
		That was the biggest signal of all.
		They have to do what's right.
		The country was a lot of dishonesty in the election, as you know, 2020.
		That's been now caught.
		People understand it.
		It was a rigged election.
		And when you go further out, when you see the auto pen, I mean, I think the auto pen is going to become one of the great scandals of all time because you have somebody operating it or a number of people operating.
		Because I knew Joe Biden.
		Joe Biden wasn't in favor of opening up borders, letting 21 million people into this from prisons and mental institutions and gang members.
		He wasn't into that at all.
		And, you know, who signed these orders, proclamations, and all of the different things that he signed that set our country so far back that was so bad for our country?
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Ladies and gentlemen, somebody who is a bulldog of an investigator, somebody who we love having on the program, who's been a real fighter, and who we love having back in the arena, the great congressman of California.
		Boy, we'll talk a little bit about that.
		Daryl Issa joins the program live now.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		you you Amen.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Congressman, thank you for being back on the show.
		There's a lot of stuff to talk about today.
		Let's start with the auto pen.
		You're on the Judiciary Committee.
		What's going on here?
darrell issa ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a serious question.
		You know, there's some things you don't have to worry about.
		For example, all those many pieces of legislation that Joe Biden signed, turns out the Constitution doesn't require the president to sign them.
		So it would be the same as if he's just, many presidents decide they don't like a bill, so they don't sign it, but they let it become law.
		Not so with pardons.
		Pardons are affirmative action.
		And even more importantly, this parole question, you mentioned the 21 million people that came into the country during Biden.
		Well, many of them were given work permits and a right to do things.
		That's an affirmative action, and the statute says it has to be individual.
		You're not allowed to do a group.
		You have to do one by one.
		Clearly, he didn't do that.
		So when we get to the bottom of it, I think what we're going to find is that Joe Biden committed a crime for which he is immune as the president, but those who aided and abetted him are not immune.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		So that's very interesting that you brought up the paroling of millions of Americans illegally into our country.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		So this is something that we've often asked, like, there's no way that that was legal, right?
darrell issa ▲ ● ▼		Well, even if it were legal, even if he said, yep, I did them one by one, he still would have had to sign them.
		So all of these things, some of them can be undone.
		But for example, terrible multiple murderers who got clemency, if that was done by a staff person and is invalid.
		We're going to have a major Donnybrook, a major fight to put those people back onto death row.
		And they need to be.
		You know, the right of clemency, the right of pardon is a constitutional guarantee from our founding fathers, and I'll respect it.
		But I won't respect some staffer simply hitting a button and saying, I'm deciding who lives and dies.
		that's not what the Constitution intended.
		He would write, and another arm on that same pen created a duplicate copy.
		So auto pen's not new.
		The difference is when Thomas Jefferson was writing, he simply got two copies instead of one.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		I'm sure that most congressional offices have auto pens.
		We were in Tim Burchett's office just the other day, and he had an auto pen because he sends out constituent letters, right, and things like that.
		And, you know, someone graduates in his district, and you get a little letter.
		And this is the way that it works.
		Is this the Thomas Jefferson one?
		This is very interesting.
		Since you talked about it, we have a photo of it right here.
		I'm not sure if we have one of these, Congressman.
darrell issa ▲ ● ▼		I do not have a Thomas Jefferson duplicator.
		But I will tell you that we've worked with indicia before.
		During Benghazi, we had a document that looked like it had Hillary Clinton's signature on it.
		later they said it was an indicia.
		The only problem was it was an empowerment document that did it under her authority, but some staffer signed it by running an auto pen of some sort.
		And of course what that really means is they didn't do the right It's not a problem in thank you letters.
		It's not a problem in congratulations on graduating from Boy Scout Academy, whatever it happens to be.
		It is a problem on legal documents, particularly things like pardons.
		Absolutely.
		A pardon is only valid if it truly is authorized by the authority.
		And it's not delegatable.
		The president doesn't have the authority to delegate to anybody the ability to pardon or grant clemency.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		So what's the next step in this investigation?
		I know that James Comer has made quite a bit of news on this as well.
		Do you think that there's going to be an angling on Jill Biden?
		Her culpability is in any of this.
darrell issa ▲ ● ▼		Well, for my more than a decade of doing investigations, I will tell you one thing.
		Do it carefully.
		Do it with some level of patience.
		And do it with some humility.
		We're not looking just for scapegoats.
		We're looking for an important constitutional question.
		Make sure you get it right because it really is about not was – Not even can you undo the 21 million people he let in.
		But there is a question of the 25th Amendment that probably should have been used, wasn't used.
		There is a question of certain things which will have to be undone because they weren't authorized by a competent president, but rather signed by some staff person.
		There may be some people that are held criminally accountable, but I think the most important thing is Do we have to go back into the 25th Amendment and kind of create a 28th Amendment, which would give some outside group the ability to challenge a president's competency?
		Right now, it's limited to the vice president and the cabinet, and that clearly didn't work because they knew Joe Biden wasn't capable, not only wasn't with it, but wasn't even with it enough to sign his own name.
		And yet they continue to hide that so they could be essentially pseudo presidents.
		And that hasn't happened since Woodrow Wilson.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Congressman, again, you have one of the best investigative pedigrees in all of Congress.
		Do you have any instinct here that perhaps there might have been overt criminality?
		I have right here a list.
		There's 4,245 acts of clemency during Joe Biden's tenure in the White House, over 8,000 pardons We've seen cases where people pay for their pardons.
		This happens constantly in third world dictatorships.
		This happens in corrupt states and with corrupt governors throughout the country.
		This is something that is normative.
		It has happened before.
		Do you have any instinct that perhaps there was some payola going on here?
darrell issa ▲ ● ▼		I don't think there'll be any doubt that if you were to go back through those pardons and clemency, you would see campaign contributions and other activities by the people who requested them.
		Now the question is, was there any money that went more closely to the Biden family or to people who had the ability to run the auto pen, so to speak?
		But again, this is a huge problem.
		It's going to take a while to get through it.
		And when we're done, we have the two problems.
		Holding some people accountable, that's important.
		but most importantly, figuring out how to prevent this from happening again.
		And as I alluded to, I believe that we are seriously going to have to consider whether the competence of a president
		These questions are questions that I hope you'll stay on top of.
		I'm certainly going to, because we can never again have the theory that there's There's a man or woman with their finger on the nuclear button when, in fact, some staff member has their finger on the nuclear button.
		Remember that auto pen isn't the only thing that the president has exclusive right to.
		And one of them is he's the commander in chief.
		And if the secretary of defense, Lloyd Austin, and others were part of this cover up, they were doing so that they could act as though they were the commander in chief rather than the president who was elected for that.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		We've heard some names from various members of Congress.
		Elizabeth Warren has come up.
		David Sachs is the AI czar for President Trump, and he says Elizabeth Warren was using that auto pen and burning it down to the ground she was using it so much.
		Have you heard anything like that from members of Congress taking advantage of this?
darrell issa ▲ ● ▼		We've heard the indication of that quid pro quo where people were pushing through vast amounts of pardons for their friends and contributors.
		Now, again, one of the challenges from a criminality standpoint is these people who asked for the pardon likely didn't cross a criminal line, but working together with And if there isn't a law to do it now, there needs to be one.
		Because the American people want to know, why did so many criminals get a clean bill of health?
		Was it simply because they or their families gave money?
		You might remember during Bill Clinton, he famously had very large, like million-dollar contributions to his library that seemed to exactly coincide with pardons.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, maybe you could expand the investigation into the Clintons.
		Oh, we'd love to sing the oldies.
		We'd love to sing the oldies, Congressman.
darrell issa ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, you've got to remember that when somebody no longer matters going forward, uh, You know, there are people that have surrounded the president who fully have the ambition to run for higher office, and one of them is my own.
		Attorney General, Senator, and Vice President Kamala Harris.
		You know, she's still very much, I think she's going to run for governor.
		And she was the person who should have brought the 25th Amendment into play and didn't.
		She undoubtedly has people who supported her, who very much she lobbied for them to become president.
		So, I mean, to become pardoned.
		So, you know, you want to look for the first person that needs to be looked at.
		It's the former vice president.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're excited.
		You know what?
		Thank you for that correction, Congressman.
		You are the deeply astute political mind.
		But you're right.
		The Bidens and the Clintons, even Obama, I think, technically, they're gasping for relevancy in life.
		There's now a big movement to push Obama really like the Obama apparatchiks out of the party and to make way to bulldoze for a new generation.
		And Kamala is clearly – To drive the thing.
		And so she's still got juice in the tank.
		And a lot of these other people, you know, they're just dust in the dustbin.
		And so what a great question.
		What's going to happen with Kamala?
		Is she going to be brought in?
		You're exactly right.
		It's really, you know, Joe Biden has a totally different marital reason to keep this all going.
		It's Kamala Harris that has a constitutional duty to stop it.
		Joe Biden has no constitutional duty to stop it.
		Kamala does.
		You're so correct.
darrell issa ▲ ● ▼		And she has a future and she's a darling of the party in many ways.
		You know, enough that they anointed her when Biden finally stepped aside.
		And I know there's been this talk about, you know, should they have done it differently?
		I think at the end of the day, she knows that she's still relevant.
		Relevant to run for governor, relevant to potentially run for president.
		And as an attorney, as a former prosecutor, as an attorney general, there's no question that she knew that her actions that may or may not have happened behind closed doors to get pardons for people, to run that auto pen, so to speak, made her a direct enabler.
		So, yes, she should be required to be asked and answer, what did you know and when did you know it?
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		What did you do and why did you do it?
		I mean, you're on multiple extremely powerful committees here.
		Obviously, you're Daryl Issa.
		You're a legend in the House.
		Will you be advocating for Kamala Harris to be subpoenaed under oath?
darrell issa ▲ ● ▼		I believe she should be one of the most important people to be interviewed.
		She was the last person in the room time and time again when decisions were made and things were done.
		And I don't think she can run from that.
		And at the end of the day, she should be forced to answer the questions under oath.
		She was the responsible party.
		Remember, after Joe Biden, she was the highest constitutional officer in the land.
		the only other person that was elected by the entire United States of America on that ticket with Joe Biden.
		And, you know, when the president's there, most of the time the vice president is simply a senator who, you know, sits there and breaks ties in the Senate.
		But that's not true when the president is incapacitated.
		I believe that happened.
		I believe it happened a lot.
		And I think she should be held accountable to at least Ask and, you know, be asked and answer those questions.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		You believe that Kamala Harris was taking control a lot.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Just want to clarify.
darrell issa ▲ ● ▼		I believe she was.
		Look, we've all been with people who have diminished capacity, wonderful friends and family.
		They get up in years.
		And how do you control them?
		You control them by being the person talking in their ear.
		And you see that, you know, I don't want to do that.
		No, no, go ahead and eat, you know, eat your your oatmeal.
		Yeah, come on, eat your oatmeal.
		You know, that's Joe Biden.
		Joe Biden had to be somebody who, no matter what he might have thought years earlier.
		Today, the person who has half an hour, an hour of his time undoubtedly can get Joe Biden to do just about anything, and that's where the people who spent that half an hour.
		Jill Biden obviously was one of those people, but clearly Vice President Harris was one of them too.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		My producer is wondering if you wouldn't mind if we played a 10-second clip here of Kamala Harris.
		One of our favorite answers she ever gave whilst vice president – And this is, of course, before any massive scandal.
		Joe Biden was still running for president at the time.
		And here's Kamala Harris's full-throated defense of Joe Biden.
		Let's go.
unidentified		Welcome to some Democratic donors.
		And they have told us that should something befall President Biden, and he is not able to run, that there would be a free-for-all for Who would run as president?
		Because Joe Biden is very much alive and running for re-election.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Joe Biden's very much alive, Congressman.
		What a defense.
		What a defense.
		Joe Biden is alive.
darrell issa ▲ ● ▼		Alive.
		Now, you know, Benny, isn't that sort of like we've checked and there's a heartbeat?
		Yep.
		Yeah.
		You know, there may be there's an indication of a heartbeat and maybe brain function, but we're not sure.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Isn't it what you'd say in a hostage situation?
		Wouldn't you say that in a hostage situation?
		The hostages are alive, all right?
		Now, it's unbelievable, like, that answer.
		We just, I mean, we couldn't believe it when they broadcast that.
		What a thing to say about someone.
		What does this tell you, Congressman?
darrell issa ▲ ● ▼		Well, not having taken a lot of psychiatry or psychology in college, I'm not allowed to use things like Freudian slip.
		But in the generic sense, I think it is.
		I think it's a Freudian slip.
		I think it's something where in her mind she knows, oh, I can't say that he's cognitively competent.
		I can't say that he's smart and on his game, although at other times people did say that.
		So why don't I take the one honest statement I can say, which is he's got a heartbeat.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		He's very much alive.
		You can see it.
		I mean, she's just not really a good liar, frankly.
		Okay, so somebody was a good liar.
		This is Kamala Harris's version of, what difference does it make, right?
		Like, at this point, what difference does it make?
		I had a question, and just since we're on the topic, I just have to, because you're the Hillary Clinton expert.
		You know so much about what happened.
		With her and with her campaign and with some of the more criminal acts that she took, I have this video that's always bothered me.
		And it makes no sense to me.
		And perhaps you have some insight that I don't have, Congressman.
		I know it's something that all of our audience is going to remember and care about.
		It's this video of Hillary Clinton clearly having a Biden-level health episode.
		Before we had Joe Biden falling ass-backwards down the Air Force One stairs, we had Hillary Clinton fainting into a van.
		And it made no sense to us here.
		You know, we just play the clip.
		But, you know, everyone's seen the clip.
		But it makes no sense to us even today as we watch it.
		She loses her shoes.
		She has to be thrown into the van.
		She's clearly either unconscious or some kind of horrible dilapidating health episode.
		Do you have any insight into, like, into what?
		Hillary Clinton's campaign said she had a cough, like, at the time.
		And that's why this was happening.
		Do you know of anything more nefarious that was going on here?
darrell issa ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you look at, I mean, I do in one sense.
		When you look at the months and years since that time, you realize that in general, Hillary Clinton is healthy enough to function.
		But on a campaign trail, when she was stressed to do significantly more than she had been doing, long and difficult days, I believe and I've been told by others that they were juicing her, that they were...
		But, you know, those things only take you so far when you're pretty low energy.
		You know, Hillary Clinton has always been kind of a low energy person.
		You look at her time in the Senate, you look at her time as First Lady, and you definitely look at her time on the campaign trail.
		She wasn't very good at long days.
		It's kind of the difference between a Donald J. Trump, Who can work day and night, live on four hours sleep.
		And he's done it for decades.
		And Hillary Clinton, who typically you would see for a speech and then you wouldn't see her for hours.
		And they'd say, well, she's in meetings.
		And you do a little checking and find out there was nobody else in the room or it was just staff and she was relaxing.
		Did the campaign push somebody who wasn't capable and it led to that?
		Absolutely.
		Do they want to admit that you're low energy, easily exhausted and not up to the job of being president?
		Again, people around a presidential candidate will do anything to keep that candidacy alive.
		And there was no exception with Hillary Clinton, who people, she was the paycheck for these people and their ticket to the power of the Oval.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you so very much, Congressman.
		We appreciate the little extra time here.
		We did have a small technical glitch at the beginning of the show, and so thank you for being with us.
		Godspeed, everybody.
		Follow the great Congressman from California.
		250,000 subscribers on X here on his way to a million.
		Thank you, Congressman.
darrell issa ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		See you soon.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		you you Ladies and gentlemen, moving right along to somebody who was an exceptional prosecutor for the Department of Justice, somebody who may well be brought back to try this case.
		We're not sure.
		He has one hell of a pedigree.
		His name's Brett Tolman.
		He's the executive director for Right on Crime, and he's live right now.
unidentified		Right on Crime, and he's live right now.
unidentified		you you you you Brett, how are you?
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for being back on the program.
unidentified		Doing well, Benny.
unidentified		Great to see you.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, a very happy Tuesday to you.
		And this was the breaking news of the day that the DOJ is investigating this auto pen scandal.
		Is this going to lead anywhere?
		No one would know better than you.
		Three or four decades, right, of, like, a prosecution for the DOJ?
		You would know better than anyone.
		What's the deal here?
unidentified		Yeah, Benny, you know, I'm glad to hear this announcement, especially when, you know, we know Congress wants to look into this.
		It's going to be more theater than it is substance, which is fine.
		It's the role that Congress has sort of adopted.
		But the reality is, I've been saying for some time now, there are several statutes that could be implicated in an investigation, criminal statutes that govern the abuse of authority or the abuse of power that might be done by an individual in the White House, in the administration.
		Or by members of Congress that may have utilized the auto pin for their own personal benefit or the benefit of others.
		I mean, there are dozens of statutes that may apply depending on where the investigation goes.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		So you see that this could be a fruitful investigation.
		How does it work?
		How would you charge this?
unidentified		Well, first, there's going to be a record.
		Remember, the auto pin is supposed to be an extension of an acting and functioning president.
		A president that says, I'm going to be in the air.
		I authorize this document to be signed or I authorize this to be signed because there may be some inability to do it physically.
		However, on the issue, the president is supposed to make the decision, always make the decision that That he wants to sign whatever document the auto pen is utilized for.
		And traditionally, Benny, the auto pen is not utilized for any significant or official act that the president might take.
		Never in the case of clemency am I aware, prior to the allegations against Joe Biden and his White House, that the auto pen was utilized in something so important as pardons and commutations.
		Or other acts, extending and pushing money, for example, or other benefits.
		I mean, this is the kind of investigation in which we want to see a trail of emails and documentation that the president authorized the use.
		If it is not there, then expand that investigation to which individuals were exercising the power of the president's pen.
		It is abuse of power, it is criminal, and they need to be prosecuted.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		There's just no way you have to suspend disbelief that a president whose own Justice Department said that he is not competent enough to stand trial, that a jury would never convict this doddering old man.
		Now, I can't even remember his son's birthday or that his son died, right?
		It's so sad listening to the her tapes.
		I mean, it's painful, frankly.
		That he thought through, considered.
		And wisely executed 8,000 pardons or clemencies?
		It's inconceivable, right?
		I mean, surely they couldn't make that argument.
unidentified		Well, they did make that argument.
		And Benny, if we go back, when did it start to get used?
		When did they start to assert the actual authority of the president and his ability to execute on official documents?
		I look at it this way.
		When Herr came out with his investigative report, and when he concluded that this president could not be charged with what he found to be criminal acts, at that moment, and no later, at that moment, there should have been the invocation of the constitutional protection that's in place, and the president should have been removed.
		That was the latest moment that it should have been done.
		We knew, however, you knew, all of us were seeing it with our own eyes, but being told and lied to by the media that it was not what we were seeing.
		And yet, now we learn 8,000 pardons.
		Other official acts.
		Perhaps the movement of money went as a result of using the president's authority.
		Like, all of those things is a level of corruption that seems very consistent with a family that was willing to be corrupt when he was vice president and when he just got out of office.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's interesting that you bring that up with the 25th Amendment because obviously they threw up a little bit of a smoke screen is really rather pathetic attempt to.
		It's.
		People are focusing on Jill Biden.
		They need to focus on Kamala because it's Kamala Harris's constitutional duty.
		Jill Biden doesn't have a constitutional duty to report on her husband.
		She has a marital duty, right, to sort of keep the ship sailing.
		Kamala Harris has a constitutional duty to report this out, and she didn't.
		And maybe the investigation should actually swing wildly back towards her, right?
unidentified		There should be included in the investigation, certainly.
		But, Benny, I look at Kamala Harris as the ultimate follower, the ultimate pleaser.
		And she, at the time, needed those around the president in order to support her run and her bid.
		I don't think she had the...
		She's not been one that's willing to buck the system, to do what is right no matter what.
		We don't see those leaders anymore.
		The days of Thomas Jefferson and other leaders that were willing to go against even their own party when they knew something was right are over.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of interesting that you talk about this.
		So the system that was set up, the institutions that have been set up, I want to move kind of more to the greater architecture of the DOJ and the FBI.
		Something that's been bothering me, and perhaps you could shed some light on this, given your extensive decades of prosecution for the DOJ.
		Why is James Comey, who's calling for the assassination of Donald Trump, and we should take that seriously because there's a lot of people who...
		I mean, we should take that very, very seriously, right?
		Why is James Comey's daughter allowed to continue prosecutions at the DOJ in very high-profile cases like Diddy right now?
unidentified		Benny, it's the underlying bureaucratic state, the administrative state.
		When I was U.S. attorney, it took me over a year to fire an employee that was caught doing drugs at her desk.
		It took me over a year to terminate that individual.
		And so I am not surprised by it.
		You have a Department of Justice that has over 11,000 lawyers, largest law firm in the world.
		And there is no question that it is filled with the great percentage have donated, campaign donations have gone to the left.
		And the Department of Justice from main justice to all the 94 U.S. Attorney's offices are filled with individuals.
		It is almost an impossible task to root out.
		All of the individuals that are bad actors that are willing to compromise their prosecutorial discretion and willing to compromise their ethics in order to pursue a political end.
		It's a Herculean task.
		I think that Pam is focused on it.
		I think Kash Patel is focused on it.
		But we're not going to see results as quickly as we would like being on the outside.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Have you been following this prosecution?
		Yes, a little bit.
		People are bewildered at it and are saying they're not really proving a RICO case at all.
		It seems like they're just proving that he was a mean guy, but that's not what he's on trial for exactly.
unidentified		Yeah, it is underwhelming.
		It is surprising.
		But I'll tell you this.
		It seems consistent with a
		gravitated as a Department of Justice over the last 15 years to the low-hanging fruit prosecutions, the easy-to-win cases, the political agenda, the lawfare, all that has overtaken what historically were individuals that could...
		And I'm not seeing the fruits of that kind of labor and that kind of effort in this case.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Do you think the government's throwing this thing?
unidentified		Well, you have one of the more high-profile cases the DOJ has ever done.
		You have to be ready on that case.
		If you're not ready, if you haven't marshaled it, you know, wait until you present the indictment and then pursue it.
		But right now, And it's troubling because there's many of us who want real concrete answers and exposing the corruption that occurs in Hollywood and otherwise.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Do you think that there's some type of like protection mechanism that's going on here?
		And the reason why I would ask that is not just outlandishly.
		So there's a record executive named Suge Knight who has done multiple interviews saying that Diddy was a Fed and that he was an FBI agent.
		He knew Diddy.
		He was in business with Diddy.
		And he's currently in prison, so I'm not sure what value he would have to say this.
		I believe that he's saying this honestly, that Diddy was a Fed and that Diddy worked for the FBI and that part of this had some type of government fingerprints on it.
		What do you think about that?
unidentified		I don't doubt Suge Knight.
		I don't think he has a reason to come forward with information.
		You know, I've seen Suge Knight have before some solid information about corruption.
		And so it's not surprising.
		I think there's a pattern here, though.
		You see Epstein, you see others.
		There's rumors that float around that they worked, you know, with the government agencies at times.
		And I would not doubt that.
		I would not doubt that there were CIA operations or FBI operations that were ongoing over the many decades in which many times these individuals were operating, you know, criminally.
		And you go back to Epstein and I was, you know, I was flabbergasted at the deal that, you know, my colleague and friend, Alex Acosta, the U.S. attorney at the time in Florida, offered a deal offered to Epstein.
		I mean, the only reason that you would believe that such a deal would be granted in that kind of a case and investigation was if there was solid information.
		Of course, we'll never know at this point, but there had to have been some solid information about some very high-level targets in order to give such a deal to an individual that was such a criminal.
		Yeah.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		So we actually had Dershowitz on a week ago saying, like, what is this?
		Epstein belongs to intelligence.
		Here's Alex Acosta saying it himself.
		You say that he's a friend of yours.
		We have nothing against Alex Acosta.
		But Alex Acosta went before a Senate committee and said he was told to back the F off of Epstein by the Intel committees and says he's ours.
		What do you make of that, Brett?
unidentified		Yeah, I'll tell you this, Benny.
		I've had some of those calls before when I was U.S. attorney.
		Calls that came from Washington, D.C. that said, hey, we understand you're investigating this target.
		You know, I went to the mat on it.
		I wanted answers.
		I mean, we have clearances, top level SCI clearances as U.S. attorneys.
		I'd love to know what was said to Alex, what he knew at the time, the information that they conveyed and the justification for, I mean, to give you a perspective, Epstein was facing easily.
		Life in prison, multiple life sentences in prison with no chance of parole and was given, in essence, a misdemeanor.
		And how do you go from that to what was offered would only be if high-level Washington, D.C. is weighing in on a U.S. attorney, a very uncomfortable situation.
		You're right.
		You don't know how it was in Alex's shoes.
		But I do know this, that every U.S. Attorney has separate and independent authority from the Department of Justice.
		You can make the decision to go forward regardless of whatever Washington, D.C. says to you.
		And there are some cases where I scratch my head and say, you know, I want to see what the intelligence was.
		What were they saying justified?
		Somebody that acted the way they did with the many victims that he caused and the criminal conduct that he, you know, perpetrated.
		What justified?
		And is that happening again?
		And why are some of the biggest investigations not resulting in the best form of justice?
		Yeah.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever asked?
		You said you work with Alex and you know him.
		Have you ever asked?
unidentified		We had an exchange at one time in the White House, and he was not happy about some of my comments that I had made on it.
		And I said, well...
		But we didn't get the opportunity.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		You know, Dershowitz is an interesting interview because, you know, I was just like, was Jeffrey Epstein Intel?
		I asked him.
		And he's like, I don't think so because it wasn't untrustworthy.
		But he did ask me to go meet a bunch of Israeli Mossad agents one time and he did fly into Israel while I was there.
		And I did set up that interview.
		And so we did do that.
		You just answered your question there.
		That's what he said.
unidentified		It went viral.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		First tip.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right, man.
		Well, how did you get OJ off?
unidentified		How did you do it?
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		I appreciate the honesty.
		I really do.
		It doesn't make any sense.
		Can you just explain one final thing to us?
		This wasn't where I wanted the interview to go, but I'm too curious about it.
		And it does seem to be a live grenade that's been handed to the Trump administration.
		And they just don't, Epstein is very curious to me.
		We have footage of the FBI taking boxes and boxes and boxes of evidence out of his house.
		We have the photos.
		We have the photos of his cracked case from the Fed, from the government, you know, with his cracked safe.
		And it has a bag of passports, a manila envelope blossoming with passports.
		How many passports?
		CDs, CD-ROMs with, like, nudes written on it and handwritten on it.
		And a bag of diamonds.
		And you're like, we've never seen any of that.
		You know, they, like, trolled Pam Bondi and gave her, like, old flight logs that were already public, and then they redacted them, like, as, like, a final insult, right?
		What the hell?
		Where the hell is this stuff, Brett?
		Like, who's in charge here?
		You know, what is this?
		And if the if team Trump can't get it with full executive power and authority, then who's really in charge here?
unidentified		Benny, I'll tell you that.
		I believe that when Pam Bondi sent the letter to Kash Patel and demanding that it be delivered, that it was delivered.
		I believe that there is massive amounts of evidence that has to be combed.
		And there are strict rules about anything that is released, not identifying or implication towards any victims.
		That becomes a very tedious, you know, tedious operation to review that.
		I don't know the details, but I imagine that there's a team of people that are going through it.
		It's not happening as quickly as what people like.
		I think that it was a bit of a smoke and mirrors show.
		We know that a supervisory agent And that it was a bit of an embarrassing misstep for the administration, but not surprising.
		For those of us that have seen the Department of Justice, there are individuals who...
		Todd Blanche, others that are, you know, well-meaning people.
		I believe we will see more information.
		I think they have it.
		I think that they are going through it carefully and that there will be, you know, that evidence will come forward.
		It won't happen as quickly, I think, as people want.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		I don't care if it happens on my timeline.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		I just care that it happens.
unidentified		Me too.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		If it happens, I'm fine with it.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		You spent 30 years at DOJ?
unidentified		I did.
		25 years.
		Over 25 years in the criminal justice system.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Don't you want people to at the very least believe you, right?
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Like I want a country where I believe – And pederasts.
unidentified		Yes.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Like, I want that.
		And aren't protecting them.
		Like, isn't that, shouldn't that be like the, shouldn't that be like the first layer, right?
		They're like, we're, my tax hours aren't going for the, you know.
unidentified		And they lost, they lost that.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		They did.
unidentified		Of their own action.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		They did.
		I mean, as a patriot, Brett, I want that back.
		You know, I want that back.
		I'd like for people to just trust.
		Law enforcement again, right?
		Like at the very least, like that I believe what you're saying, but they've atomized my trust and the trust of this entire audience.
unidentified		They deserve every bit of skepticism, every bit of criticism as a result of all of their actions.
		It started before Comey.
		It went through the Comey years, through the Ray years, through Merrick Garland and the attorney generals, the attorneys general that we have had.
		And they have earned every single bit of not just skepticism, but Outright, you know, lack of confidence and a belief that the justice system is actually working in a manner against the American people.
		And that conclusion is justified by their actions.
		So let's start with Epstein or let's start with any of the others and let's have transparency so that we can then again start to have confidence that the administration of justice equally.
		And fairly is the goal and the objective and the conduct that we observe.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's a dude on camera planting pipe bombs at the RNC and the DNC.
unidentified		Yeah, where is that?
		That should be the easiest.
		Well, who had the cocaine in the White House?
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is exactly right.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Bro, do you even understand what are uniting?
unidentified		Yeah.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		I don't know anyone.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
unidentified		Absolutely.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		I bend up.
		I've met hundreds of Trump rallies.
		I've met tens of thousands.
		We have an audience in multiple millions, and I love them all.
		And there's not a single person that would argue that the guy that put the pipe bombs at the RNC and DNC shouldn't be in prison.
		We shouldn't know who he is, unmask him.
		Who is he talking to?
		Who set this all up?
		Like, let's put him in jail.
		It's probably the most unifying issue in the country, actually.
unidentified		And if it was an op?
		Then give us that information.
		Let us know who it was, who was carrying it out, and what was the objective of that all.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		All right.
		Well, thank you.
		Thank you, Brett.
		We really hope that they bring you back in as a special prosecutor.
		We're going to keep advocating for that.
		We could really use your sharpest attack rings like a bell clarity here.
		You should follow Brett Tolman.
		On X, he's got 45,000 followers, and he needs to get to 47,000 today, okay, because we have a 47th president, 45 and 47. So, ladies and gentlemen, get in there.
		There's the handle right there.
		Follow Brett Tolman.
		He's in charge right on crime, and my producers are demanding that I ask you if that was a locomotive.
		In the background.
unidentified		Yes, it is.
unidentified		That was a train that runs by our barn, our home and barn.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		How Western are you?
		Yeah.
		Are you in Wyoming?
unidentified		I'm in South Dakota.
unidentified		Right in the shadows of Mount Rushmore.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's great.
		Next time, let's do a shootout live.
		Yeah, we can do a high noon.
unidentified		You're welcome here anytime.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We're actually going there.
		I'll connect with you all.
		We're going there soon.
		You can take us up into the president's skulls in the mountainside.
		We're going to show everyone what's up there.
		Thank you, Brett.
		Godspeed.
unidentified		Thanks, Benny.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		you you Ladies and gentlemen, Will Chamberlain from the Article 3 project.
		Who is just one of the world's experts on these issues.
		He's fighting alongside Mike Davis every single day.
		He joins us live right now.
unidentified		He joins us live right now.
unidentified		you you you Amen.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		I apologize for the delay.
		We had a technical error in the show earlier that bumped everything, and so thank you for your patience.
		There's so many concurrent questions here right now.
		It's really hard to know where to begin.
		But the topic of the day is obviously the investigation of the Biden pardons.
		We had we read earlier in the show the presidential pardon power and what was given to the president in Article two.
		And there is absolutely no wiggle room there as far as we read it.
		We're no experts for like, you know, activists.
		Maybe we're reading the Constitution wrong.
		Will, can you educate us?
		I'm sorry, Will, you're muted.
		Yep, we apologize.
		There we go.
		Now I hear you.
		I got you, Will.
		Got you, man.
		You're good.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Are we good now?
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yep, you're set.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		We hear you loud and clear.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		All right.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, I think the, you know, somehow the court got disconnected really quickly.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Just one of those things.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
		Yeah, so, I mean, the answer to your question is, no, there is no right for people to use the auto pen that are not, I'm sorry, there's no right for advisors to issue parties.
		They don't have the right to do that.
		Now, I think, I mean, the auto pen's been used by President Biden, but it's been used by other presidents as well.
		The key question is whether or not it's being done at the direction of the president or not, right?
		The president doesn't have to physically sign every single order that goes out the door, but he has to authorize every single order that goes out the door.
		So the question with these pardons and whether or not they're valid will be if the president, in good mind, with his mind intact, ordered the pardons himself.
		And determining whether or not that actually happened is the real question.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how would you be able to prove that?
		I just stood in the middle of the Oval Office and read out the names of 8,000 people and Joe Biden knew them all.
		I swear to you.
		Mr. Judge, like, how the hell do you prove that?
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		That's sort of a problem.
		And that's ultimately why I think that, you know, if I'm going to predict the outcome here, the outcome I predict is that none of the pardons are going to be turned, you know, abolished or reversed.
		And I think it's just, I think there's just a proof problem.
		I don't know how it is.
		Who among, even if in fact, and I think there's a good probability some of these pardons were done without Biden's knowledge.
		Would Biden want to admit?
		That that was going on?
		Would any of his advisors want to admit that happened?
		And if they all, you know, if there's no writing that proves that this, you know, that Biden didn't authorize these, like there's no, you know, secret group chat that we're unaware of, there's no proof from at the time, I don't think we'll be able to prove it.
		And I don't think you'll get a whistleblower from within the administration, because if there's a whistleblower, I mean, they're almost conceding to a crime themselves.
		Like they're conceding, again, that they knew about this grand fraud in The pardons and watched it happen and did nothing.
		And then that doesn't just lead to a question there.
		It leads to a bunch of other questions about every other action taken by the administration.
		So it opens a huge Pandora's box of, you know, if these pardons were legitimate, what other presidential actions were done without the president's knowledge?
		So I think that the odds are that there's going to be a closed circle.
		the administration and the high level officials in the Biden White House are just, you know, not going to say anything or are certainly going to deny that any presidential action was taken without presidential authorization.
		So I don't think there's going to be the proof necessary to change any of these parties.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		What is Kamala's culpability here?
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		I mean, massive.
		Kamala was the vice president of the United States.
		She was in the situation room for plenty of high-level meetings.
		She would have seen the president.
		She would have known exactly what the president's mental state was.
		And I think, you know, I read Jake Tapper's book, and I know, you know, there's like, Plenty of people have plenty of problems with the messenger.
		Jake Tapper is certainly not a perfect messenger for this.
		But the book does contain some interesting original reporting specifically about Kamala and about how she did that interview.
		If you remember the debate where Biden completely fell apart last year.
		Kamala did an interview on CNN with Anderson Cooper afterwards.
		Anderson asked her some tough questions and she just stonewalled.
		And afterwards she was completely indignant.
		How dare you ask me these questions about whether the president And it's like, I mean, the ego there really indicates, I think, you know, she knew exactly what was going on.
		She was the vice president of the United States.
		She and many others, it was just a, you know, a common secret, you know, a secret among the administration.
		But everybody knew he just wasn't up to it.
		They were just lying to the media.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Well, lying to the media, sadly, is not a crime.
		But I guess the public could judge there.
		In the court of public opinion, the court of public opinion against the judicial tyranny in this country has really turned and has really soured.
		I think we're seeing maybe some glimmers of hope from SCOTUS.
		I'd like to ask, since the Article 3 project works so closely at SCOTUS and does major work in this arena, what would be your preferred solution to the – I think you do a few things.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		I think the first one is that you can't issue a new rule that says you can't issue a nationwide injunction without a three-judge panel.
		I think that's the simplest one.
		And that solves the problem of a single judge being able to do it on their own.
		And it heightens the importance of what they're doing, and the judges will discuss it among them.
		Generally, you're going to just get more consistent and better results with that.
		I also am okay with an idea of a rule that says that judges aren't even allowed to issue an injunction beyond the confines of the district in which they're in.
		So that, you know, whatever their ruling is doesn't affect broadly.
		Now, you know, in some cases...
		Or essentially, DOJ is not going to enforce the law broadly around the country because of the way a judge ruled in one particular case.
		There's a lot of reasons why you might still have these things have broader effect.
		But I think either of those two answers will solve 90% of the problem.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Are those solutions before the court right now?
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		They're before the Congress.
		This is a congressional.
		I mean, I think that's an interesting question about whether the court could do it on their own, probably, at least on the procedural question of a three-judge panel versus one judge.
		I think they could.
		But I don't think the court's planning on doing it.
		I think I know there's legislation to that effect working its way through the House.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		What do you make of some of these rulings with Amy Coney Barrett and the rather curious rulings from the Supreme Court, specifically on President Trump's deportation powers?
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		I think the way that the judges, the justices rather, are handling the emergency dockets shows what they care about.
		Meaning in the emergency docket is where you hear all these injunctions and stays and like the immediate requests for relief.
		When the justices are patient and don't really care and are happy to let things percolate, you can tell they don't really care about the issue that much.
		When they're willing to drop everything in the middle of the night, you know it's what they care about.
		Justice Barrett and probably Justice Roberts care a lot about the rights of illegal migrants.
		There's just no way to put it any differently than that.
		And it's demonstrated by the fact that there was that case down in Texas, I believe, where you had an injunction issued.
		Sorry, you had the Supreme Court issue an injunction against the government before there was even an underlying opinion from either the District Court or the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.
		There's a remarkable opinion.
		It's the Supreme Court violating its own case law on their own jurisdiction.
		So to explain what that means, the Supreme Court is a court of review, not first view.
		They only have what's called original jurisdiction in cases where one state is suing another state over something like water rights.
		So, you know, this river goes here, this river goes there.
		Then, you know, the state of New York suing the state of Pennsylvania can go straight to the Supreme Court, not even bother with a lower court opinion.
		In all of the circumstances, the Supreme Court has to wait for there to be an underlying opinion from a lower court before they have a chance to review it and they have jurisdiction.
		In this case, the ACLU went to the district court, said, these guys are going to get deported ASAP.
		You need to issue an injunction immediately.
		If you don't issue an injunction ASAP, we are going to go straight to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals and treat your inaction as a so-called constructive denial.
		Then they went ahead and did that, even though the district court was actually acting quite quickly.
		They said the exact same thing to the Fifth Circuit.
		If you don't grant this injunction immediately, we are going to treat your inaction as a constructive denial and go straight to the Supreme Court.
		And the Fifth Circuit said, well, OK, we'll get to this.
		We'll work quickly, but not quickly enough for the ACLU, who then followed up on that.
		And so by the time the Supreme Court actually issued this injunction, this was about maybe five, six weeks ago.
		By the time the Supreme Court issued this injunction, there had been no underlying opinion.
		And it's not like this case had percolated, you know, been sitting on the judges' desks for weeks.
		You know, the Supreme Court said, like, well, it was 14 hours between the filing of the motion and your failure to rule, and the ACLU going to the Fifth Circuit.
		That's too slow in this instance.
		So we're going to treat it as a constructive denial.
		And you think about that, you're like, man, the Supreme Court did that.
		But then, I mean, you talk about they just denied a case where they were.
		I don't know if you saw this, the Snopes case, they denied cert Snopes case was about.
		And Justice Kavanaugh wrote a statement that said, oh, you know, hopefully there's a few other cases percolating.
		Hopefully we'll get to this in the next term or two.
		It's like, well, it's kind of obvious what you guys you'll drop everything and violate your own jurisdictional rules to to save some trend Aragua terrorists.
		But when it comes to protecting the Second Amendment rights of American citizens, the right to own the most commonly possessed handgun, commonly possessed gun in this country, the AR-15, I won't say horrible disappointment because she's not on the left yet, but she's a disappointment for sure.
		It's a big disappointment.
		I think, you know, especially with a conservative justice, there were options that were better than that.
		And I think that it's, you know, it strikes me that her jurisprudence, especially on the emergency docket, just isn't consistent.
		And it just, I don't know, I wonder how much she was affected by all the assassination attempt on Kavanaugh.
		I wonder how much she's affected by public pressure and, you know, the opinion of, you know, the New York Times and the Washington Post.
		I just, I don't think she's doing a very good job.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		It's chilling because there are these, you know, Justice Breyer and Sandra Day O 'Connor, they're like left-wingers that were nominated by Republicans.
		Like, what the hell is wrong with us?
		Right?
		Like, I thought that we would never do that again.
		And then here, you know, here she is.
		I mean, you really are looking at like a 5-4 court with a considerable body of Amy Coney Barrett's last rulings.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that's right.
		I think we are looking at a very evenly balanced court, despite the fact that we should have, like, six justices to three at this point.
		It's really disappointing.
		And it's frustrating.
		You know, I wasn't as involved in the nomination fights when Barrett was going through.
		You know, I was volunteering a little bit with Article 3 Project at the time, but I wasn't full time.
		And, you know, I was just kind of doing my own thing, mostly on X. And, you know, I was fighting for confirmation, obviously, because everybody was.
		We wanted to get...
		But, you know, what I'm frustrated by, there were people who knew, right?
		There were people who knew her better, who knew what her jurisprudence looked like, who had a better sense of who she was and her attitudes on things.
		And it seems abundantly clear that they didn't speak up or they didn't make themselves, you know, didn't make their voices heard that, like, you know, this person wasn't that conservative.
		I mean, I remember I ran Human Events at the time and we published an article about Amy Coney Barrett.
		By a guy named John Zimmerak.
		That was critical and skeptical over nomination.
		But I don't think, I mean, none of us were operating on personal knowledge.
		You know, Zimmerak was just trying to extrapolate from some of her public statements.
		It's just disappointing.
		Like, why can't we get an actual conservative justice?
		And I think that going forward with this, I mean, we are going to really demand that we have seen demonstrated, not just like a good turn of phrase in front of a Judiciary Committee hearing, but rather like demonstrated courage.
		And demonstrated conservative commitments from justices so that we don't have this happen anymore.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		I think we have the article right here from Human Events.
		Man, Will, you might have been one of the only right people.
		Amy Coney Barrett is not a safe pick for the Supreme Court, is the article.
		Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is the article that you published here.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And, I mean, it was written by Zimrak.
		I don't know.
		I mean, his analysis, I'm not sure he was...
		I'm not sure if he was right for the reasons he wrote in that article, but he ended up being right.
		He was on to something with sort of being suspicious of Barrett and suspicious of her conservative commitments.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		I like that.
		Listen, I haven't read the article, but the headline is right on.
		You know, the headline is right on.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and we had it back in 2019.
		This is 2019.
		remember she was nominated in 2020.
		So we were way, this was a way early discussion of this topic because She got confirmed to the Seventh Circuit in her first confirmation hearing.
		And people were already making noises about her being the next Supreme Court nominee.
		And we had an article about it very quickly.
		We got pushback from people like Ed Whelan at the time.
		And then we had somebody come in and say, I want to make the argument the other way.
		And I'm like, sure.
		I don't know much about Amy Coney Barrett.
		I was the editor-in-chief at the time.
		happy to publish in a debate between these two perspectives.
		But yeah, I mean, we definitely, I thought it was very, it turned out to be very, very repression.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, in conclusion here, what you're saying is that it worked.
		That all of the campaigns to reap the whirlwind, as Chuck Schumer would say, all of the armies marching outside of her house, all of the people, like, coming, you know, coming after her, that all of this worked.
		And that she bent to elite consensus opinion, and they were able to ply away, once again, and again, this is a tactic that they've used through multiple Republican presidencies, to ply away a Supreme Court justice and move them to the center-left.
		You're saying that this tactic is working?
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		I would say Barrett's in the center.
		I wouldn't call her center-left, no.
		But I would say she's very much, she's a centrist judge.
		She's not a Republican judge.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Which is not what Trump wanted, which was not the point of the Trump nomination.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		No Democrat nominee ever has to worry about this.
		They never have to worry about their, you know, no Democrat president has ever nominated somebody who didn't turn out to be exactly what they wanted.
		Because elite consent, you know, they're just happy to, if they're a leftist judge, they're within the elite consensus already.
		They don't need to be moved.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so just real quickly, since you do this work every day, what the hell is wrong with us?
		Why can't we do this?
		Why can't we get like a...
		Why can't we get an Alito every time?
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I think, you know, I will say...
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Are we stupid?
		Are we weak?
		Are we cut?
		Like, what is it?
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Part of it is the nature of the legal profession.
		The legal profession itself skews very far left, right?
		And so even the Federalist Society, which is like the right wing bastion within the legal profession is sort of center right.
		So, and as a result, when you go to law school, Almost all.
		Like I went to Georgetown Law Center, I think there was something like 200 professors on staff.
		You could classify three as right to center right out of 200.
		And that was good compared to other law schools, which might not have a single conservative on staff.
		So you are imbibing a progressive view of jurisprudence.
		You basically have to, you know, you can come out of it very conservative in the sense, and it can be very valuable for a conservative suit to go through in the sense of, You're just arguing with progressive law professors all day.
		That's a useful intellectual development tool.
		But it does create this dynamic where in the legal circles where people are trying to get esteem and be respected, the people whose opinions they care about, a very large number of them are going to be progressive.
		So I think it is a natural anchor kind of pulling conservative lawyers to the left.
		So it means that it is a much harder task, and you have to be much more careful as a Republican president selecting justices for the Supreme Court, selecting judges, because you need to find people who are immune to that poll.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Mike Davis calls her the professor, and now I understand what you mean by that.
		Thank you, Will.
		This is obviously always insightful, and it's something that's very curious to us.
		I wish that we could solve this problem.
		Because if you had a 6-3 Supreme Court right now, that was actually rock solid.
		I think you'd be rid of so many of the issues that Trump is facing.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		We could have done so much.
		All this nationwide injunction nonsense could have been put to it in February.
		And we could just be slapping him down left and right.
		President Trump could be deporting people much more efficiently and aggressively.
		Yeah, it could have been much better.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Nearly 400,000 people follow Will on X. You should be one of them.
		He's the chief senior counsel at Article 3 Project.
		Of course, you know it well.
		And they are the true rock-ribbed fighters for an actual system of law and order and justice in this nation.
		And you should follow Will.
		Godspeed, Will.
		Thank you for being on.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Ben.
unidentified		Thank you.
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