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brooke singman
Good morning, Carly.
President Trump is ordering the notorious California Alcatraz prison to be reopened to hold our nation's most heinous criminals.
So Trump wrote on Truth Social, The prison was once home to some of the most infamous gangsters like Al Capone and Machine Gun Kelly,
but it closed in the 60s and now stands as a national landmark and tourist attraction.
Democrats, including former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, though, are less than thrilled with this plan.
Pelosi saying, quote, Alcatraz closed as a federal penitentiary more than 60 years ago.
The president's proposal is not a serious one.
Meanwhile, President Trump is focused on choosing a permanent national security adviser.
Well, I have a lot of people that want the job, I can tell you.
donald j trump
I mean, a lot of people say it really works in with what Marco's doing.
But we have a lot of people.
I'm going to be naming someone, but we...
unidentified
I would say within six months.
donald j trump
Stephen Miller's at the top of the totem pole.
I mean, I think he sort of indirectly already has that job.
You understand?
Because he has a lot to say about a lot of things.
He's a very valued person in the administration, Stephen Miller.
brooke singman
Trump confirmed Walt did not resign from National Security Advisor, but was rather upgraded to what he called a higher position.
So as we sit just over 100 days into his second term, the president is already looking ahead to the next four years, suggesting Vice President J.D. Vance or Secretary of State Marco Rubio could be the future of the MAGA movement.
unidentified
My name is John Johnson, but everyone here calls me Vicky.
Will you please follow me?
This is the main cell block area.
Home to such famous criminals as Al Capone, Mickey Cohen, Joseph Dutch Kritzer.
This is the cell for solitary confinement that over the years had come to be known as Times Square.
Make sure everyone gets a look.
All right, dirtbag.
All you have to know is that Harriet is a sweet, kind, and loving person.
Well, that's good.
donald j trump
That's nice.
unidentified
And yes, we did.
Close it up.
This way to the cafeteria.
benny johnson
Alphonse Capone!
We're all going off about it on the editor's chat.
Alphonse Capone!
You can see this happening.
Listen, if you're paying attention, and thank you for paying attention last week, we appreciate it while we were on the road and ripping content.
We'll have some of that fantastic content for you up on the channel this week.
We shot our little hearts out in L.A. We definitely made that trip worth it.
But we are back in the studio and we are very thankful for that.
But if you were paying attention, you would have seen in the 2024 election, President Trump talking about Alphonse Capone.
They charged me more than Alphonse Capone.
You knew that the Alcatraz move was in the cards.
You knew it.
You knew it!
Ladies and gentlemen, here we are today, Monday, May 5th, 2025.
Trump calls to reopen Alcatraz!
Kristen Welker gets torched in an interview with President Trump, but more importantly, Donald Trump announces his successor and his definitive plan for 2028.
Donald Trump has certainly been tiptoeing through the tulips.
On that question, will he run again?
Brandon Tatum and Robbie Starbuck joined the program.
My name is Benny Johnson and this is The Benny Show.
I want to begin by saying happy Cinco de Mayo.
A Cinco de Mayo post to remember is President Trump posting a photo of him with a taco bowl inside of Trump Tower.
This was posted in the year 2016?
Yes, this is a 2016 post.
Let's see.
145,000 likes, 97,000 reposts, 20,000 comments.
And here's our comment on all this.
If you click on the image itself, you can zoom in and you can see that President Trump is eating his taco bowl on a photo of his ex-wife, Marla Maples, in a green bikini.
Which I think is a really important thing.
I don't know exactly why, but it is an important piece of lore and history for our country.
That the current president of the United States, who has, by the way, a wonderful relationship with Marla Maples.
We've met Marla Maples.
She, like, is ubiquitous at Mar-a-Lago and Trump properties.
She clearly, like, her and Trump have a daughter together, Tiffany Trump.
They have a happy relationship.
Donald Trump was just at Tiffany Trump's wedding and so on and so forth.
Tiffany Trump's going to, I think, make Donald Trump a grandfather of 10 soon.
Anyway.
The point is, is that, like, they have a happy relationship.
And I don't know exactly why Marla Maples.
It wasn't a bikini under the Taco Bowl, but it is something that we will definitely ask President Trump during our live interview soon.
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All right, ladies and gentlemen.
Killer Kline.
We were just in California.
And we come back.
We do a red-eye flight back.
And then Trump announces he's going to reopen Alcatraz.
What do we think?
Do we have to go back out there?
Do we have to go back out to Alcatraz and, like, go ask questions?
Maybe we should go to Alcatraz and do a tour.
Maybe it's a national park, sir.
We just hit up Doug Burgum and go do a tour.
Kara!
Kara, are you listening?
She's our great booker.
She's fantastic.
Kara, you listening?
unidentified
Let's go do the Alcatraz tour.
benny johnson
We were just out there.
I don't like the time change.
All right?
I will admit it.
I don't like the time change.
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm pushing for it.
I'm in the late 30s, all right?
But let's just call it what it is.
I'm pushing 40. Don't like the time change anymore.
Got these little kids.
Time change is brutal.
But I'll do it for you.
Maybe we go back out.
We ask people if they want Alcatraz.
We can go ask San Francisco Libs.
If they want Alcatraz to be turned into a prison for them, right?
Who will Trump send to Alcatraz?
Well, Nancy Pelosi is losing her freaking mind.
Let's start with the Trump post and then we'll go to Pelosi.
So Donald Trump posted this on True Social.
And let me know in the comments section.
Let me know in the chat.
Can you please, Ashley, please pop up in the chat.
Let me know if you think Alcatraz should be turned back into a massive, top-level...
Security prison for the most dangerous criminals.
Let me know what you think.
Let me know what you think.
Have you watched The Rock?
Oh, yeah.
Should we do it?
Pop the comments up.
Say yes or no.
Say what you think.
But let me know as we read through this Trump post.
Yes, reopen Alcatraz.
Alcatraz opened to hold rogue judges.
It's a great idea.
You know what's going on here.
You know what's going on.
Okay, I'll read the Trump post.
What's happening here is a dick mentoring competition.
Forgive my crude language, but this is what's going on.
President Trump keeps seeing what they're doing in El Salvador, and he wants his own version of it.
You know in your heart that's what's going on here.
You know in your heart that that's what's happening.
Donald Trump's like, why can El Salvador have such a fun...
Maximum Security Terrorist Prison.
And I don't get one of those.
I need my own cool...
It's called CECOT, right?
Is that what it is?
The Center for Terrorism Control?
I need that.
It's the famous prison.
We have like a B-roll stinger all loaded up with it.
Make sure that that's low decline.
But yeah, this is what's going on.
Trump's saying, I want my own massive terrorism prison that looks so cool and that can be filmed.
That's what's happening here.
Clearly.
Rebuild and open Alcatraz, says Donald Trump.
And keep the comments rolling.
I want everyone to see.
What does the chat think about this?
Chat, what do you think?
It's Monday morning.
It's Monday morning.
There wasn't a ton of news that broke over the weekend, which is quite shocking, actually.
So let's rock and roll.
What do you think about the Alcatraz question?
And, hey, do we have a poll up?
Let's do that as a poll on YouTube.
Why not?
We're back in the studio and he's doing the show live.
You can't do this from the hotel room and do it live.
Put the poll on YouTube and put the chats.
Put the chats.
Let's go.
Put the chats right here.
Let's freaking go.
Rebuild and reopen Alcatraz.
For too long, America has been plagued by vicious, violent, and repeat criminal offenders.
True.
The dregs of society who will contribute, who will never contribute anything other than misery and suffering.
When we were a more serious nation in times past, we did not hesitate to lock up the most dangerous criminals.
To keep them far away from anybody that could harm them.
That's the way that it's supposed to be.
No longer will we tolerate these serial offenders who spread filth, bloodshed, mayhem in the streets.
That's why today I'm directing the Bureau of Prisons, together with the Department of Justice, FBI, Homeland Security, to reopen, substantially enlarge, and rebuild Alcatraz to house America's most ruthless, violent criminal offenders.
We will no longer be held hostage to criminals, thugs, judges.
Judges?
Okay, I see the chat.
Alright, judges.
Okay, that's good.
in this country illegally, that are afraid to do their jobs and allow to remove criminals in this country illegally.
The reopening of Alcatraz will serve as a symbol of law, order, and justice, and will make America great again.
I freaking love this.
And Alcatraz, of course, sits in this primo spot right in the middle of the harbor of San Francisco.
Can you give me a modern photo so you can kind of see?
It's like San Francisco.
Alcatraz has ubiquity in San Francisco.
You can see it from every building.
You can see it from everywhere.
It's like right there in the harbor, if you've ever been.
So let's jump into the data behind President Trump's post here.
What does the data say?
The data says this is a modern photo of Alcatraz.
The crime data that is available in every major city and available via the FBI is pretty clear.
It is cut and dry.
The crime data goes like this.
Something like the 98% of all crime In this country is repeat offenders.
The vast, demonstrable majority of crime in this nation is career criminals.
And career criminals make up like 1% of society.
So actually what you really have to do is just lock up 1% of society to reduce crime by 90%.
Oh, that's a great photo.
Okay.
This is a photo.
Like, Paul Pelosi at a hammer party can see Alcatraz while getting hammered, right?
Pelosi lives on that little hill we've gone to Pelosi's house.
Pelosi lives on that little hill called Billionaire's Row right there where you can look down into the bay.
So this would be the greatest final FU to Nancy Pelosi.
It's so great.
We haven't even gotten Nancy Pelosi's commentary on this.
She's losing her effing mind.
But this would be like...
This would be so awesome.
So, President Trump is right.
That's a great photo, too.
President Trump is right.
That's Nancy Pelosi's little neighborhood.
Nancy Pelosi's little hill, that little slope right there is where Nancy Pelosi has her mansion, right?
So, Paul Pelosi, while being hammered, could look down and see Alcatraz.
Nancy Pelosi, while getting hammered, right, could look down and see Alcatraz.
Nancy Pelosi sounding drunker than ever.
Where do you hear this clip that we have from Nancy Pelosi, dude?
She's gone.
She's got the Biden curse now.
She's got the Biden curse.
She can't even speak.
Trump is right.
If you were to lock up 1% of the worst criminals in this country, you'd reduce crime by 90%.
The only reason there's crime in any of these cities is because they continue to spring the career criminals onto the street or refuse to lock them up altogether.
We've been to San Francisco many times.
We've covered the horrors of San Francisco many times.
And we'll go back and do it again.
This would be a great, this would be a fantastic image for the country.
Great for people to like actually see this in practice.
That we are a nation of law and order and we're not going to make our prisons.
We're not going to turn our prisons into like our kick-ass prisons like Alcatraz into tourist traps.
It should be traps for dangerous criminals.
Now.
Who could do this?
Well, the Bureau of Prisons is actually in charge.
We looked it up.
It's not the FBI.
It's the Bureau of Prisons.
The FBI is responsible for putting people in prison.
The Bureau of Prisons is housed under the DOJ.
So it would be Pam Bondi inside of the ecosystem at the DOJ, turning Alcatraz back into a prison.
They would have the right to say, yeah, let's do it.
Because also, it's a national park right now.
So the national park is obviously under the Department of the Interior.
National Park Service is under that.
That's Doug Burgum.
Doug Burgum can clearly do what he's told, right, by Donald Trump, a former North Dakota governor.
And so there's absolutely no reason why Donald Trump couldn't just, like, press a button and make this happen right now.
This is squarely in the yes, Trump can do this category.
Nancy Pelosi, losing her mind over this great idea, Nancy Pelosi quote tweets this and says, Alcatraz closed as a federal penitentiary more than 60 years ago.
It's now a very popular national park and a major tourist attraction.
The president's proposal is not a serious one.
Nancy Pelosi has overseen the zombie apocalypse of San Francisco.
I don't know if we have – we probably don't have time.
But at the very least, grabbing that Nancy Pelosi clip where she's – like she was in San Francisco speaking just the other day.
She's bad.
She's doing bad.
Grab me that clip, please.
Where, like, she didn't even know where the microphone was.
Clearly, like, zoinked completely out of her skull.
Nancy Pelosi, like, again, the Biden curse has befallen Nancy Pelosi.
She's overseen the gutting and the horrors of San Francisco, which, it pains me to say, is probably the most geographically gifted city in all of America.
It's just particularly gorgeous and beautiful.
And they have...
Ruined that place.
Nancy Pelosi and her kind have ruined that place.
We were robbed right outside of Pelosi's house.
Robbed.
Got all of our stuff stolen right outside of Pelosi's house.
The Secret Service was there, and they were watching us get robbed.
The next time we went back to California, we were robbed again in Oakland.
I mean, maybe you could just start blaming us for these kind of things.
Anyway, the point is that...
Nancy Pelosi is the reason that nobody wants to go for tourism to San Francisco.
And now she's going to start blaming Donald Trump for this.
And Nancy Pelosi maybe has other problems at hand.
Here's Nancy Pelosi, fresh off a bender, and trying to speak at a food bank in California, where presumably, and I looked through the actual script here, she was like talking about how we need slave labor.
How deporting criminal aliens means that they won't be able to use them in exploitative labor, which is something that Democrats have always wanted to do for minorities.
It's actually the purpose of Democrats in this country since the founding of this country.
But anyway, here's Nancy Pelosi having a rough one.
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benny johnson
Why?
unidentified
Why?
benny johnson
Other than, like, demonic possession, I can't figure out why you would allow any member of your family to continue like this.
Nancy Pelosi clearly doesn't know where the mic is.
She doesn't know her mic's not on.
She doesn't know where she is.
She's having to read off a script now.
Instead of off the top of the dome.
You have to just hate your family.
In order to allow this to happen to them.
You've got to, like, despise them.
At some point, the only reason to have your family member in office at this kind of debilitated, in these kind of debilitated states, is just trying to remain out of prison, right?
That's what the Joe Biden move was.
And maybe this is what the Pelosi move is.
Like, the Pelosi family knows they're ruined.
As soon as Nancy loses power, they'll be federally investigated and they'll lose everything.
I think this is clearly why you cling on to power.
And it's that tale as old as time.
Kings would do this all the way back.
A thousand years ago, a king or their family would do this very Game of Thrones style thing, right?
Like, as soon as you lose power, you get beheaded.
So maybe Nancy Pelosi is trying to keep herself out of Alcatraz.
You ever thought about that?
Maybe Nancy Pelosi is trying to keep her own family out of Alcatraz.
President Trump on Alcatraz saying this is a great idea.
I think it's a great idea.
We just put up like 40 comments that says it's a great idea.
Clearly the chat agrees.
Let's go.
unidentified
Where did you get the idea for reopening Alcatraz?
donald j trump
Just an idea I've had.
And I guess because the judges, so many of these radicalized judges, they want to have trials for every single thing of it.
Every single person that's in our country illegally, they came in illegally.
That would mean millions of trials.
And it's just so ridiculous what's happening.
And it's long been a symbol, Alcatraz, of whatever it is.
It's a sad symbol, but it's a symbol of law and order.
And it's got quite a history, frankly.
So I think we're going to do that, and we're looking at it right now.
benny johnson
Why not?
How fun would that be?
Why not?
Why not?
I would like...
unidentified
What?
*laughs*
benny johnson
Can you put up the image of San Francisco again?
So what you do is you take...
Man, we've gone out so many times to San Francisco.
Have you been to San Francisco lately?
It is such a bummer.
Oh, Magatraz.
That would be smart.
Maybe you could put up a giant sign.
Maybe you could rename it, right?
You could call it Magatraz and put up a massive sign.
It could be a big billboard.
Anyway, the point is that...
San Francisco is the most left-wing city in the country.
It's fallen to abject and total degeneracy.
The last time I was there, I was walking down the street to get myself a cup of coffee in the morning.
It was first thing in the morning.
And the first thing I saw, I mean, this is so gross, I'm sorry, but like, it's true.
I have it on camera.
The first, on my way to get a coffee, and I'm a caffeine addict, on my way to get a coffee, there's like some guy defecating in the middle of this, like, It's 6 a.m.
Defecated in the middle of the street.
It's just me and this guy.
And I'm like...
And it's like, I'm supposed to go and eat in this environment and drink a coffee in this environment?
It is worse than the third world.
Because, at least in the third world, it looks like the third world, right?
In the third world, like, in the...
Like, if you have to...
In the third world, like, you go and everything's like a shantytown.
And it's all collapsed and it's all disgusting.
It's all like, everyone's in huts anyway.
Everybody's living in total squalor.
In San Francisco, it's like the edifice of a first world city with the allowances of third world crime.
So it's totally dystopian.
And I took a photo, I just took a photo of it, like some kind of a PG-13 photo of like, I can't drink my coffee here.
You can't like get out and walk down the streets and go drink coffee.
And then the other side of the degeneracy is not just like the homeless refuse.
But then the first thing I saw, I was like, I'm driving in.
Again, I'm not sure I can even play these clips on the stream.
It's just some guy not walking buck-ass naked.
Just naked.
Just walking straight down the...
He had a top hat on.
That's it.
I remember Dave Portnoy responded to it.
He had a top hat on.
Please don't play the clip.
Whatever I'm saying here, don't put up the clip.
And mom, I'm driving into town in my Uber.
And we're just here to like, to get some of the like, we're in San Francisco to obviously tell these stories.
And it's just a dude walking naked down the street.
It's completely not a stitch of clothing on him.
Some, you know, obviously alphabet festival.
Except for his top hat.
And he's just like, he's just like wandering around.
And I was like, how do you raise your children here?
How do you do it?
I think there was actually a clip of some dude with his kids walking through San Francisco recently.
Can we grab that?
I think we put it up on the show.
So it's that kind of a city.
That's what's going on in that city, right?
If you could grab that clip because it was heartbreaking.
We were in Skid Row with Steve Hilton.
I'm not sure if you guys saw that.
We were in Skid Row with Steve Hilton this past week.
And it's not like the homeless people have rights.
What they're doing is illegal.
You can't defecate in the street.
You can't live in the street.
But they're allowing it to happen.
It's the...
It is the banality of evil.
Grab me that little kid walking down the street.
I know that went viral.
I want to make a really quick point just because it's like on my heart and because I've just did the whole California back to Florida thing and I spent yesterday with my kids at the park, right?
There's actually the photo of me.
We're actually just like in Home Depot, right?
Like I spent yesterday with my kids, right?
There's three of my kids.
And just the contrast is so crisp and it's worth taking a second to examine it.
When you are in a society, from the top down, the morality of the leaders are reflected in the public spaces of society.
Let me expand on that.
If you're thinking if you should go to a city park...
Oh, God, there it is.
Yeah.
If you're thinking you should go to a city park...
This is kind of perfect, actually.
This is the guy that I saw when I was...
Don't play this clip.
This is the guy that I saw when I was driving down the street.
This is me.
Welcome to San Francisco.
It's about a year ago.
Just driving down the street.
Welcome to San Francisco.
That's perfect.
Yeah.
Oh, it's awful.
Let me get back on track here.
If you're deciding what city you should move to, go to a city park.
Go to a playground.
Don't look at homes.
Don't look at any of their data.
Go physically.
And I know it's anecdotal, but it's true.
Go to the park.
And look around the park and say, see if you can see any homeless degenerates bums or people like taking the piss.
See if the city looks like this.
If the public spaces look like this, you must leave immediately.
Don't even consider moving to the city.
The reason why is that these two things can't exist together.
The city makes a decision.
Is the city for sickening, piss-filled, blood-soaked degeneracy?
Mental illness and ultimately demonic activity?
Or is it for the purity of family flourishing?
And children?
They can't coexist.
It's why this clip went viral.
This clip went viral because the father was showing what environment I must raise my children in.
And it sickens the soul because you see the innocence of the child and the purity and the light of the child contrasted with the darkness in the true And
it is the decision of the law enforcement and the political will Of your leaders in the city as
to who runs your city.
Which one of these two elements are going to run your city?
I live in a place.
We live in a place.
I don't know how many bums you see, Klein.
You don't see any homeless people.
Now, we live in a particularly big city in Florida.
It's the second largest city in Florida.
Very large and very quickly growing metropolitan area that also has really nice weather virtually all year long.
Unless there's a hurricane rolling through, you can, like, go chill.
Okay?
It has all of the elements, a lot of sunshine, a lot of open spaces, lots of parks, all of the elements of a perfect place for shanty towns and bums.
Where we live is a perfect place for, like, degeneracy and homelessness everywhere because you can just camp outside all day.
And there's a lot, you know, there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of big things happening, a lot of motion.
But you don't see anything like that here.
Because the leaders of this city choose the families and the children over that.
The leaders of San Francisco choose the opposite.
And that is why President Trump could, with his own authority, turn Alcatraz into a shining beacon of light of law and order in a place that has none of that.
This would be such a profound moral vision.
For President Trump.
The iconography of it would be worth it on its face.
To have...
Can you show me the city in the recess, please?
To have that city looking at that island and that island being like the pinnacle of well-run law and order.
Contrasted.
With the sickening sunkenness of San Francisco would be primo.
Just a rant, but a very important one.
You can tell, it's why I chose this city, you can tell the morality of the leaders and the moral clarity of the leaders in any city in America by simply visiting a public park.
And seeing if that park is for the families, for the children.
For the flourishing?
For the mothers?
Or whether it is for the bums, the sunken, and the demonic possessed?
And then you should make your choices, obviously.
Red states don't have this problem.
Only in blue states.
Is it legally possible to do this?
Let's go to legal expert Greg Jarrett.
We know that it is morally important.
Is it legally possible?
Let's go.
donald j trump
It was open in 1963.
They got about 300, 400 people.
Greg Jarrett joins us now to discuss this.
Greg, you've been to Alcatraz.
How close is it to reopening?
Do they still have the keys?
unidentified
Yeah, they got the keys.
You don't really need keys anymore, though.
You know, it's a provocative idea, Brian, which may be why Trump is proposing it.
So the sound you hear are all the liberal heads exploding at the same time.
You know, progressives frown on prisons.
They tend to favor nanny daycare for hardened criminals.
And Alcatraz, pretty forbidding, frigid place, housed Al Capone, Machine Gun Kelly, Mickey Cohen.
It is, however, federal property, so this can be done, but it'd have to be rebuilt almost entirely.
It's so outdated and crumbling.
And here's the important part.
It has landmark status.
So there would be an avalanche of lawsuits that would probably tie it up for years.
Don't forget, this is California.
They care more about protecting the tiny smelt than building water systems to save lives and livelihoods, as we saw in the L.A. fires.
benny johnson
This is the saddest thing ever.
So we did the Adam Carolla show.
I don't know if you guys can grab that and just pop it up.
He's a really nice dude.
And he broadcasts in his show sort of like in North Hollywood.
And as we were driving out to his show, I was driving with somebody who had recently moved from California who's joined our team.
His name's Colden.
He's awesome.
But he just joined a few weeks ago.
So you haven't heard me chat about him.
But Colden is a cinematographer who's joined our program.
We're going to be telling some really beautiful and passionate stories for us here.
We're thrilled to have him, but he's lived in L.A. for 15 years.
And he was driving me out to Carolla's studio.
He used to be employed by the Adam Carolla Show.
And he was showing me the L.A. basin and this large sort of cement river that travels through Los Angeles.
And how, one, they're not able to capture any of the water that travels through that river whenever there's a fire, like the Palisades Fire.
But then, two, how every single time that there is rainfall in L.A., That rainfall results in dozens of dead bodies because there's so many homeless people camping out in that river.
There's so many homeless bums that live in the L.A. Basin that the floods wipe them all out.
California is a nightmare.
The L.A. Water and Power Company That is responsible for the cleanup of the Palisades Fire is currently itself a massive homeless encampment.
It's wild, just absolutely wild to see.
Senators from Oklahoma saying, no, this is not the way that it should be.
Mark Wayne Mullen saying, absolutely, this is the way that we would do it in Oklahoma.
And, oh, by the way, this is federal property.
The Fed's own Alcatraz National Park.
Bureau of prisons could streamline this quickly, and more importantly, it's the image.
It's the message.
unidentified
He's also suggesting reopening Alcatraz in the San Francisco Bay.
I think as long as I've been alive, that jail's been closed.
If you can, we have a different idea here in New York.
Keep Rikers Island prison open in New York, as opposed to closing it.
And building five different jails throughout the five boroughs.
markwayne mullin
Well, I'm all about it.
Well, let's have Riker and let's have Alcatraz both open.
So we've got the East Coast and the West Coast both covered and put our most notorious criminals in both of them so people understand we're a nation of laws again, unlike what we had underneath Biden.
So I'm all about it.
And when we want to start talking about criminals being punished...
I don't believe in keeping them comfortable.
I want them to regret the crime that they have committed, and President Trump is committed to making sure that we enforce our nation's laws again.
benny johnson
This is what making criminals regret their crimes look like.
I mean, you've seen this footage before, but this is the best prison on Earth.
Why not?
Like, why not make prison colonies out in islands?
Like, I think it's great.
Like, Guantanamo Bay is on an island.
Alcatraz is an island.
Rikers Island is an island, obviously.
Why not put prisons out on islands?
And why not do this?
These are humiliation rituals.
This is called a deterrence.
Again, less than 1% of society commits 98% of the crimes.
This is what you call a societal good.
These are the kind of tough decisions that adults have to make as to what kind of a place we want to live in.
Is our society for the criminals or are they for the children and the mothers and the people that wish to actually build?
Or are they for the destroyers?
These are the destroyers.
Of course, MSNBC having a total meltdown.
You won't believe it, but they beat us to the punch.
MSNBC saying, oh, Trump wants to turn it into an El Salvadorian gangland sea cot.
Yeah, yes, we do.
This is our Salt That Lib of the Day.
Get your salt shakers out, ladies and gentlemen.
Salty MSNBC clip.
unidentified
Here you go.
*outro music*
catherine rampell
With you, what do you think the symbolism is here?
Is this just some, like, weird nostalgic throwback?
Should we be reading something more into this?
It seems like somewhere between a distraction and maybe something significant about, again, his disdain for rule of law.
unidentified
The latter.
In fact, three months ago, the reliable Donald Trump Jr. did what we call, in my area of work, a trial balloon.
He posted, hey, maybe we should reopen Alcatraz.
And then the MAGA world picked it up and then it became a thing.
And that's what propagandists do.
They dump something as a trial balloon, a little floater, and then it becomes possible.
And it becomes like a thing you could think of doing.
And then lo and behold, now he wants to do this.
So that's a good example of this process that authoritarians do.
The other is that, sure, look at these priorities.
We're cutting Social Security.
We're cutting child welfare.
Catherine, you wrote an op-ed on the war on children, and I'm writing about this too.
It's just totally tragic.
And yet there's money to not just reopen Alcatraz, just refurbish it.
Like it's another real estate deal for Donald Trump to refurbish it.
And so this shows you the priorities of the regime, which is mass incarceration in the worst circumstances possible.
I wouldn't put it past them to be inspired by Bukele's gulag in El Salvador to remodel Alcatraz.
benny johnson
Where do you live, lady?
Where do you think she lives, exactly?
I don't know.
I'm not looking at, like, Doxer or anything.
Like, where does she live?
You know, it seems like she's inside of, like, some small studio apartment, which is where all of these dinks, dual income, no kids, like, cat ladies, right?
It was where all these, like, leftists, they live inside of these sad, miniature apartments, alone, right, with their cats, screeching and screaming, trying to scratch out an existence on Substack.
And they live inside of these, like, large metropolitan areas, I would assume New York or San Francisco, potentially, is where that lady is from.
And so what I'd ask is, like, why don't you walk outside of your building and film it?
Show me what it looks like.
Do you feel safe walking down the street?
Do you?
Do you feel like you can go down to the bus stop?
Do you feel like, like, are you looking over your shoulders when you go to the ATM?
You know, it's amazing.
Like, you can say anything you want, but the reality proves itself out.
It was so hard to do man on the streets in L.A. because everybody is so nervous.
That's a perfect example.
Yeah, this is what a San Francisco street looks like.
Be a woman with your purse and walk down that street.
Do it.
Hey, lady, with the dumb glasses, right?
Like, inside your studio apartment.
Like, try to walk down the street.
And she's like going to sit there and mule and whinge about math incarceration.
And this is the society that they create.
Frankly, it's because of women like that that there is no deterrence and you continue the perpetuation of further criminal elements.
Walk down this street.
It was so hard to do man on the streets in L.A. because people are so – they're so clammed up, right?
They were so – everyone was so nervous.
So you like try and talk with someone and they like – They immediately, like, whinge, right?
They don't, there's no open, there's nothing open about society.
It's the opposite.
It's the opposite of what these people say that they believe in.
We spoke with a, we spoke with a felon, actually, who was in L.A., just, like, happened to know us, know our content, and we were talking with him about incarceration in Los Angeles and the homeless problem.
And he was like, dude, you know, people have, like, around here, people are like, They want to go to prison.
They want to go into prisons because the prisons are so lax, so easy, and they give you cell phones.
They give you cell phones in prison?
Yeah.
You get cell phones in prison, TVs, you get to work out, you get three square meals a day.
It's better than being homeless.
They're begging to go to prison in California.
It's a completely, completely broken system.
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President Trump, this weekend, and I want to zip through these clips, but very, very important, did one big interview this weekend with NBC.
And he answered a question that we've had on the tip of the tongue for a long time.
And it's not necessarily because we're fomenting a third Trump term, although I think the conversation is very fun.
And we've looked through sort of the legal process of it, and it's like an easy way for Trump to just maybe run for vice president.
Right?
JD can run, then Trump can run for vice president.
unidentified
I don't know.
benny johnson
That's how you get Trump back in the executive.
But President Trump put to rest the third term talk this weekend.
By definitively saying, I will not be running in 2028 during this interview.
And since we've talked so much about it on the program, got to play the clip.
Here we go.
kristen welker
The Trump Organization is selling hats that say Trump 2028.
donald j trump
Yeah.
kristen welker
Are you seriously considering a third term, Mr. President, even though it's prohibited by the Constitution?
Or is this about staying politically viable?
donald j trump
I will say this.
So many people want me to do it.
I have never had requests so strong as that.
But it's something that, to the best of my knowledge, you're not allowed to do.
I don't know if that's constitutional that they're not allowing you to do it or anything else, but there are many people selling the 2028 hat, but this is not something I'm looking to do.
I'm looking to have four great years and turn it over to somebody.
Ideally, a great Republican, a great Republican to carry it forward.
But I think we're going to have four years, and I think four years is plenty of time to do something really spectacular.
kristen welker
The Constitution does prohibit it.
Some of your allies are pretty serious about this, though, Mr. President.
I've spoken to them.
They say they are coming up with potential ways.
Obviously, the biggest one would be a constitutional amendment.
donald j trump
That's because they like the job I'm doing, and it's a compliment.
kristen welker
Has anyone in an official capacity presented you with, sir?
Here are some ideas by which you could actually get a constitutional amendment.
donald j trump
Well, in the capacity of being a big supporter, many people have said different things, but I'm not looking at that.
benny johnson
So Donald Trump says, I will not be running in 2028.
He says a lot of people want me to run, they like the job that I'm doing, but there's no constitutional path forward.
Well, of course there is.
He could run for vice president, J.D. Vance's president.
He says you shall not be elected.
The 22nd Amendment says you shall not be elected.
No man shall be elected twice.
Okay.
Fine.
Doesn't say vice president.
Elected vice president twice.
Presumably you could have a vice president run like 20 times.
There's no limitations on how many times you can run for vice president.
And speaking of Donald Trump naming his successor, when asked who's his successor, Donald Trump, two names on the top of the dome.
unidentified
Let's go.
kristen welker
You have built a political movement that has transformed the Republican Party.
It's transformed the country, quite frankly.
donald j trump
The greatest political movement in history, MAGA.
Make America great again.
kristen welker
When you look to the future, Mr. President, do you think the MAGA movement can survive without you as its leader?
donald j trump
Yes, I do.
I think it's so strong, and I think we have tremendous people.
I think we have a tremendous group of people.
We talked about a number of them.
You look at Marco, you look at J.D. Vance, who's fantastic.
You look at, I could name 10, 15, 20 people right now just sitting here.
No, I think we have a tremendous party.
And you know what I can't name?
I can't name one Democrat.
I mean, I look at the Democrats.
They're in total disarray.
They have a new person named Crockett.
I watched her speak the other day.
She's definitely a low IQ person.
And they said she's the future of the party.
I said, you have to be kidding.
I don't know what they're going to do.
And I really believe in a two-party system.
Because it's good to be challenged.
It's really good to have a two-party.
You know, it's good.
Being challenged is okay.
It keeps you sharp.
I don't know.
benny johnson
What are you going to do?
What are you going to do?
He name drops Jasmine Crockett.
But if you look at the actual polls, Jasmine Crockett, which I would...
Oh, man, that would be...
Christmas morning, have Jasmine Crockett be the face of the Democrat Party, but it is actually turning out to be AOC.
AOC is pulling in 20% and 30% in the polls, and instinctively, President Trump, who very much goes off his gut every time he's asked anything, doesn't hold back, said Marco Rubio, J.D. Vance.
He said there's 15 other people that are doing a great job, but he names off the top of his head Marco Rubio, J.D. Vance.
Is that the next presidential ticket?
Marco Rubio has run for president twice now.
Marco Rubio is somebody who clearly would be, I'm sorry, not twice.
I think he's only run once.
ALX, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Marco's only run once.
J.D. Vance, most valuable player.
Marco Rubio, most improved player.
We're fans of a lot of people inside of the Trump administration.
That is demonstrable.
Most valuable player, J.D. Vance.
Most improved player, Marco Rubio.
They've both done rock star jobs.
And that's who Donald Trump, off the dome, said, that's my, like, successor team.
That would be a cast team.
What do you guys think?
What do you guys think?
By the way, the poll is up for reopening Alcatraz.
I think there's a lot of people in the chat that want to reopen Alcatraz.
What does J.D. Vance think of AOC?
Again, I would love an AOC Jasmine Crockett ticket.
Oh, mamma mia.
What does J.D. Vance think of AOC?
AOC is the one, I'm telling you, based on polling, AOC is the one who's pulling down 20% and 30% in the Democrat primary process.
What's going to happen next?
Here's J.D. and AOC.
unidentified
On the Democratic side, do you think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, AOC, is the new leader?
Could it be Vance, AOC in 2028?
jd vance
President AOC, the stuff of nightmares, Brett.
Thank you.
You've ruined my sleep for this evening.
unidentified
Who is the leader of the Democratic Party?
jd vance
I don't know.
Honestly, I think...
unidentified
Do you think about it?
jd vance
I think to the extent the Democrats have a leader, Donald J. Trump is the leader of the Democratic Party.
unidentified
Because they're against him.
jd vance
Because they're just against everything that he does.
I mean, who could possibly disagree with rebuilding American manufacturing and ensuring these steelworkers have higher wages and better jobs?
But any time Donald Trump does anything, they have this emotional response.
They have to be against it.
Disagree with deporting millions of illegal aliens, many of whom are violent criminals, but They have.
They do.
They have.
And I think that what they do is, whenever Donald J. Trump does something, they react negatively to it, they don't have real leadership.
And I think it's why I'm not too concerned about 2028, because if I wake up in a fantasy world where the Democrats actually have constructive ideas about how to govern this country, that'll actually be a good thing.
But in the world that we actually live in, where they're just anti-Trump about everything, the politics of 2028 will take care of themselves.
benny johnson
Most valuable player.
Most improved player.
The reason why I love J.D. Vance so very much and because, ladies and gentlemen, I apologize for second late getting to our spectacular first guest here.
I'll say it just quickly and then we're jumping over to Robbie Starbuck.
The reason why I love J.D. Vance so much is because he's intellectualized Trumpism.
This is not a knock on President Trump.
President Trump is a very specific type of sledgehammer when it comes to messaging.
J.D. Vance is very much like one of those scalpels that is run by a robot in a hospital, like an AI.
The way that J.D. Vance communicates and the way that Stephen Miller does as well is intellectualizing Trumpism.
And that's what you need, actually, to have a durable movement that outlasts President Trump.
President Trump, the only president in our lifetime that has chosen his vice president not based on skin color or sex or where they're from.
He didn't need to win Ohio.
Trump had already won Ohio by 20 points.
He didn't need to win Ohio.
He chose J.D. Vance in order to carry forward the torch of MAGA and of America First.
Speaking of carrying that torch forward of sanity, MAGA, America First, ladies and gentlemen, Robbie Starbuck joining the program live now.
unidentified
Thank you.
Thank you.
benny johnson
you you you Robbie Starbuck, filmmaker and activist, and boy, you are acting out.
On Meta right now, a multi-million dollar lawsuit filed.
If you've been living under a rock, then maybe Robbie could elucidate for you exactly why he's filing this massive lawsuit.
Robbie, we're very sorry that this happened to you.
It's completely atrocious.
robby starbuck
Thanks, Benny.
Yeah.
If folks haven't heard, essentially, here's the summarized version.
Back in August of last year, we found out while I was on a mission to eliminate DEI at Harley-Davidson, which we did complete that mission, A certain Harley dealership, and by the way, most Harley dealerships were in support of me, but one in Bernie Sanders' state of Vermont was not a big fan.
And so they posted a screenshot from Meta's AI that claimed I was a January 6th.
And to be really candid, I thought it was fake because I thought there's no way Meta would say this.
There's no basis.
In fact, I wasn't even in D.C. on January 6th, 2021.
I was here in Tennessee.
And so I said, you know what?
I'll double check.
I went to Metis AI, found not only it said that, but that I had been arrested for a crime that day, and that I had pled guilty.
Later on, it said that, that I had pled guilty for a crime and was sentenced.
So, you know, and that's just touching the surface.
It invented a whole host of lies, including the fact that I'm a Holocaust denier.
And it even said at one point that authorities should consider...
Removing my children from my home and putting them into the hands of somebody more accepting of DEI and transgenderism.
And no, I'm not joking.
This is all out there.
It's all verified.
It's all on the record.
If folks haven't seen the video, it's on my X page at Robbie Starbuck.
And it is absolutely insane.
So, same 24-hour period.
I reach out to Metta's executives.
My lawyers reach out to Metta's lawyers.
And we say, this has got to stop.
You've got to correct this.
Meta's lawyers did not take it very seriously.
None of the executives responded to me back then.
And their lawyers essentially slow-walked this whole deal and eventually say they had made some sort of enhancement to their AI.
Well, lo and behold, the enhancement was blacklisting my name, which adds its own shadow to you.
Like, what did this dude do to get his name blacklisted, right?
But they didn't even do that right.
Because if people saw my name in a story, like a news story that Meta's AI brought up, if you had asked, like, hey, what's the deal with DEI, you know, getting...
Chopped off at Walmart.
It'd bring up my name.
Something along those lines.
They say, tell me more about that guy.
It would go right back to lying about me.
So we find out, though, in new updates of their AI that it's just going wild again, making up lies about me.
So apparently somebody forgot to attach their old way of, you know, I guess, blacklisting me.
And it started doing it again.
And so we go back and say, it's time to sue them.
And we have sued them last week in a...
Delaware court.
And that's where we're at now.
And I think Meta's freaking out because they did something I have never seen a company do in the middle of a defamation suit.
They came out and apologized and essentially admitted guilt.
benny johnson
So Joel Kaplan, who's very high up, vice president, I think, of global policy or so on, and he's of the right.
He issued an apology to you?
This is unheard of.
Can you talk us through this?
robby starbuck
Yeah, honestly, I think...
My lawyers were pretty surprised.
I was pretty surprised only because, not because they're, you know, I mean, we all know they're wrong.
If you look at the evidence, you watch my video, it's very clear they're wrong.
But you're so used to companies just kind of like saying, you know what, we're going to keep our mouth shut, we're going to go to court, and we'll fight it out there, or we'll try to get a settlement, something along those lines.
And they just kind of don't admit guilt.
So in that respect, I was like, on one hand...
Well, awesome.
Finally, they're apologizing.
Nine months too late, but I appreciate the apology.
Then the other side of me is like, why are they doing this?
Because something smells funny, right?
And we're still parsing through that.
Because it almost makes you more suspicious at that point that they didn't for nine months, and then millions of people find out what they did to you.
And then it's like, oh, yeah, actually, we're sorry.
And yeah, we totally did this.
We're going to work on fixing it.
Which, by the way, even two days after the apology.
It was still defaming me, their AI.
So I have a hard time taking the apology seriously.
I do try to appreciate apologies no matter what because that's what I teach my kids to do.
But it's certainly not enough at this point.
After nine months of damage, after my kids being doxxed online, there was a man arrested in Oregon for wanting to kill me and, you know, just a myriad of escalating death threats.
I've got to say, it's hard to think an apology is even close to enough.
benny johnson
What do you think is going to happen next?
robby starbuck
We'll see.
I mean, we're going through the legal process.
You know, I'm sure Meta is going to attempt to try to solve this before we get to trial.
But the reason for that is because, frankly, I have the best defamation case against a tech company anybody's ever had.
Because the key is notification.
Yes, AI will lie about a lot of people.
There will be issues, you know, in the past with big tech companies, what's protected them is Section 230.
The problem is 230 doesn't protect them here because they're now a publisher.
They publish this information, not some random person online who's making up lies about somebody on a social media app.
That's protected about people lying about you on social media is they're not the one who's writing it.
But this is their product.
Their product wrote it.
230 is not going to protect them.
They're very clearly liable for this series of defamatory statements.
So I think that that's where they're going to have a very tough time.
How do you even defend this?
I'm actually kind of curious to see how they try to defend it.
I think they'll try to say hallucinations, but even that's not a defense.
I mean, if you hire an employee and they start to hallucinate and they beat somebody who comes into your store, you're still liable for the behavior of your employee even if they hallucinated when they went and assaulted somebody who came in.
So still, even beyond that, we don't believe it's hallucinations and the reason why is actually very specific.
A couple AI experts came to us.
We didn't go to them.
These people just came to us of their own volition because they were concerned about what they saw happening here.
And they said, you know, we weren't sure this was hallucinations, so we put it to the test.
We tested meta models over the past year, disconnected from the internet entirely, because meta releases their models where anybody can download them, right?
And that has been the bedrock basis, I should say, of building thousands of apps online that have been downloaded by countless numbers of people.
And when they tested it disconnected from the internet on those base models, it consistently gave the same answers, the same lies about me, which begs the question, because even Meta's AI says it's a super high probability, I believe it's at over 90%, that it was injected in there.
Okay, it gets it into its training.
It begs a lot of questions about whether or not this was done intentionally, whether it was scraped into some sort of training somehow, which we have a hard time with because I'd say we're a pretty good research team here.
I think most people know that from our DEI work, right?
We've researched and we cannot find one example of somebody claiming I was even at January 6th, let alone charged or pled guilty, previous to Meta's AI saying this.
All the other major AIs, they all say that Meta was the originator of this lie.
And they talk about it in that respect when you ask about it.
So it's a complicated, complex thing.
And I think in court, it's going to be very interesting to see what we find in Discovery.
benny johnson
So, right.
I mean, machine learning, compute with AI is what is the AI being fed?
And clearly, like, somebody is training the AI to say this about you.
Somebody input this to defame you.
robby starbuck
High likelihood in my thought pattern.
I think, like, it's hard to conceive of a situation where it's just somehow parsing together a bunch of random stuff and then consistently saying...
benny johnson
They're going to blame this on a bunch of GPUs, like, from NVIDIA, like, coming up with this by themselves?
Like, I don't think so.
No.
Like, Robbie, obviously.
Like, no.
Like, just a cursory understanding of how meta-AIs...
Somebody's doing this to defame you internally.
They're feeding this information into their machine.
I don't accept any other explanation.
Maybe you have one.
robby starbuck
That's my assumption.
We have to figure that out in Discovery, and we'll learn a lot, I think, in that respect.
We've already heard some things that are highly troubling to me that I think we've got to probably hold until we get to...
You know, trial.
But I think it's going to be concerning to a lot of people.
And I plan, you know, to be very public about how all of this goes down.
Because I think that that's probably the biggest tool I have for, you know, really just making sure my reputation isn't torn down anymore by Meta and their machine.
And you know what's sad about this?
I'm actually very optimistic about AI in a lot of respects.
But I think this is a very important case because it's not about me.
It's about...
How this can be misused in the future?
Because I want you to think about future elections where somebody's asking an AI, what's the difference between candidate A and candidate B?
If AI is allowed to lie with impunity about the candidate that that company doesn't want to win and it's able to frame them as a murderer or somebody who has beaten their wife or something, this is totally untrue.
They can shift elections by two to five points at a minimum, right?
And so that being the case, that means they can decide elections.
That's incredibly dangerous.
That's not even getting into the fact that AI is being discussed as being used in child protection services cases, where it would then be used to check the reputations of potential parents or foster care, you know, things along those lines.
That is incredibly dangerous because Imagine I had been in a court case where I was in a custody fight, right?
And they used AI to determine my reputation.
Boom.
I lose my kids, right?
Secondary to that, insurance.
You know, they're using reputation scoring with compute from AI.
I actually, this year, for the first time in my life, I was denied for home insurance, car insurance, and personal umbrella insurance.
And what was the reason for that?
We were told I was too risky by multiple insurers to insure me.
My entire life, to be very clear, I have never missed an insurance payment in my life, okay?
I've never been in a car accident, which is pretty rare, I think, at our age.
Never been in a car accident.
I'm an incredibly safe driver.
I don't think I've even had a parking ticket in over 10 years, okay?
So why I would be denied for insurance begs the question, and this is another thing we've got to find out, because maybe it was something it learned from AI that was untrue, right?
But if you think about the downscale effects for just average people and our political process, this is incredibly dangerous.
It must be stopped for that reason.
We must have guardrails in place to ensure there's ethics in AI in how it treats people.
Because anything less, if you do what is happening in this situation, it is nothing less than warfare at the hands of AI toward human beings, which I think should be an ethical line that we all agree we can't cross.
benny johnson
Clearly, and somebody needs to have suffered dearly for this.
And we're deeply thankful that you are bringing the pain not just to Meta, but to so many other corporations.
Who have gone through painful processes to try and hide how extremely radical they are.
I want to just give you a jumping off point here, Robbie, in closing, to just give us a landscape view on what you're working on right now when it comes to corporate DEI.
You obviously have pinned so many scalps to your wall, it's impossible to name all of them.
Can we have the Grim Reaper, Robbie AI?
If we can get that meme, thank you, of Robbie as the Grim Reaper knocking on every door imaginable in corporate America.
And I think, like, there's a...
I think there's a collective cheering from so many mothers out there because you've de-wokified Target.
Although I would argue that they should just go to Public Square in the first place.
But nonetheless, thank you, Robbie, for your work here.
Where are we at when it comes to the de-wokification of America's corporate culture?
unidentified
Thank you.
robby starbuck
Yeah, Target is actually an interesting example because I think they're sort of the...
The example I would pose to all of corporate America of why you don't want to get political, why you don't want to get divisive, why you don't want to get involved in those issues that just are really hot, because they somehow figured out a way to piss off the right and the left, right?
And so that's what happens.
You're going to get squeezed from here on out.
The right just didn't have that pressure force previously, but now we do.
So it's like you want to get involved in divisive issues, you want to get involved in politics, you're going to get squeezed from both sides, and that's not a position you want to be in.
So corporate neutrality is the way forward for these companies.
But in terms of They have wiped them out.
Pepsi as well.
And every subsidiary company of Pepsi, which, by the way, I don't know if you've heard this.
I actually recently spoke to a source of Pepsi.
They are working on eliminating as well all of their artificial dyes and ingredients over a period of time here.
And that's not just, you know, I got a little deeper with them in the weeds.
It's not just because of RFK's, you know, sort of plan at HHS.
It's actually a more overarching thing.
They see moms have wanted this for a long time and they're trying to make a move in the right direction.
So I think that's good for the country, right?
You know, like we've got to have healthy food.
We've got to get our kids healthy.
We've got to get our country healthy again.
And I love seeing companies not just using, you know, sort of our pressure force as a way to get out of wokeness, but also to get healthier again.
benny johnson
I just, I can't help myself because I see my producer swiping through a bunch of articles on you.
You're parting shot to Al Sharpton, who, one, wants the poison back into the Pepsi so that he can poison the inner city, who so many people depend on the junk Pepsi products for subsistence on food stamps and WIC.
But also, Al Sharpton calling to restore DEI initiatives, and he threatens a boycott!
Of Pepsi, because of you, Robbie.
What's your message to Al?
robby starbuck
He's all bark, no bite.
I mean, I would ask him this.
Al Sharpton, why are you such a coward?
You know, it seems like back in the day, you used to have a little bit more courage, you know, because you didn't seem quite as afraid back then.
Maybe it's because you had sort of the wind at your back.
You had sort of convinced everybody that they needed to be afraid of you calling them a racist.
Well, I'm not afraid of you calling me that, okay?
And I have challenged you to a debate multiple times.
I have a larger platform than you online, Al.
And I'm willing to offer it up.
You know, you want to convince the people that are behind the pressure that is forcing DEI out of corporate America?
Well, then step up, buddy.
Step up and debate this issue once and for all and show what a farce my arguments are, okay?
Show what an imbecile I am.
You have the opportunity, right?
I will not only grant you...
You're turf, right?
You don't have to come and meet me in person.
I get that could be intimidating because I'm much larger than you.
That's fine.
We can do it remote.
And you know what else I'll give you?
I will give you a second debater.
You can have somebody else on your team.
You guys can just avalanche me.
That's fine.
You can have Jasmine Crockett for all I care, okay?
And you know what?
Let's make it three.
You can have a rep from the HRC as well.
I will take you guys three on one, and I will make all three of you look like the absolute morons you are.
And the public, again, once again, will be very clear on the fact that DEI is racist, it is the epitome of unfairness, and it violates everything the civil rights movement actually stood for at its best, which was equality, fairness, let the best rise to the top.
Merit is what makes this country great, and merit does not have a skin color.
It's not white, it's not black, it's not Latino.
It's just about greatness.
We want the greatest people rising up, and we want them to be the winners that make this country, once again, the strongest, the greatest, the most wealthy country on earth.
It's people like you that have held this country down for so long.
So again, this is like the fifth time you've had this challenge, man.
Stop being a coward.
Let's go ahead and talk about it.
benny johnson
Yeah.
robby starbuck
Is that a big WWE promo?
benny johnson
That was really good.
Yeah, we could just do the UFC split screen, right?
That would be great.
Maybe we could do a weigh-in.
Yeah, maybe we could do a weigh-in.
Al Sharpton, man, he has lost a lot of weight.
If there's one guy that probably needs some more seed oils in this country, it is Al Sharpton.
Okay.
Thank you very much, Robbie.
And everybody needs to follow Robbie, obviously.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the single most effective anti-DEI, anti-woke activist in the entire space, the great Robbie Starbuck.
800,000 subscribers on X. Jump in there and make sure that you were part of the fight, because Robbie's certainly fighting for us.
Godspeed, Robbie.
robby starbuck
I appreciate it, Benny, and I've got to say, you know, we need our YouTube numbers up, so people go to my YouTube, too, and sub there.
benny johnson
Boom.
Got them.
Thank you, Robbie.
robby starbuck
Thank you, Benny.
unidentified
Thank you, Benny.
Thank you.
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benny johnson
What's up, man?
How are you?
brandon tatum
I'm doing well.
I'm blessed.
benny johnson
Yeah, that's right.
I've seen you fighting with the next Democrat candidate in 2028, Stephen A. Smith.
What's going on there, man?
Is he going to do it?
brandon tatum
I mean, I don't know.
I haven't talked to him about it, but I just don't know if that's a serious thing.
You know, I think that Donald Trump, being a non-politician, is probably one of the only people that have the muster to do it.
I mean, he was also a billionaire, a person who run multiple companies and have a long experience, a long line of experience leading and doing a lot of other intangible things that will make you a good president.
I don't know Stephen A. Smith well enough or talked to him well enough to pick his brain to determine if he could run the greatest and the biggest economy ever known to man in the most powerful country to ever exist.
That's a big undertaking.
Right now, I don't really see him being serious about running for president.
benny johnson
Yeah, I mean, listen, Stephen A. Smith's been an employee, right?
Like, not knocking it.
And I don't have anything personally against him.
And I find him quite entertaining.
And Donald Trump even said something very lighthearted to him the other day on air, right?
Oh, I hope you run, says Trump.
Great magnanimity.
But having an ESPN show is very different than running a multibillion-dollar company, as President Trump has.
That spans multiple borders and nations and across the world.
I just feel like he doesn't have the executive experience.
I mean, that would be my take on it.
But they're floating Jasmine Crockett.
So, you know, who knows, right?
It's Jasmine Crockett, AOC, Stephen A. Smith.
Who wins that one?
brandon tatum
Well, you know, I hope that Jasmine Crockett is the lead frontrunner because we would dog her out like nobody's business.
I mean, she's the worst politician known to man.
And I think that also if she ever got elevated to that position, people will find out that this is all I act.
Jasmine Crockett, I do not believe is as ghetto as she tried to put out there.
I mean, this girl is very educated.
She has a law degree.
She actually has a law firm, which doesn't produce any money.
But for her to be running around acting like she's...
I think it's a complete act.
Now, I'm hoping that she's serious about the things she's saying because that'll make it even worse.
Meaning that you're being disingenuous about the stance you take and you faking like you ghetto.
That's too...
Dumb combinations.
But I do believe, and I hope that they keep elevating Jasmine Crockett because that shows and exposes what they really stand for.
They're very different than the Republican Party.
They're very different than the American people.
Nobody thinks that what they're doing makes any sense.
They're literally simping for illegal aliens who beat their women up in sex traffic.
I mean, or human traffic.
What party is supporting that?
benny johnson
What's the distinction, really?
Why not both, right?
And against reopening Alcatraz.
Okay, so Jasmine Crockett, speaking of reopening Alcatraz and criminal activity, Jasmine Crockett this week to graduates said that black students should use a chair on their haters.
It's an interesting tactic when you're running for president and interesting advice to give to grads.
Would you give the same advice, Brandon?
brandon tatum
Yeah, if I was...
Ignant fool, I probably would say something silly like that.
I mean, but it's funny because if white people were to take an incident which a white person bashed a black person over the head with a chair and they were to get up and do a commencement speech and say it, everybody would be crying on the internet saying they're racist and they'd be getting counseled and, you know, you name it.
But Jasmine Crockett...
And this is why I say these things and people get mad at me all the time, even people in my family.
They're like, you're always against black people.
But it's like, you don't see a scenario where a white person is doing this.
Jasmine Crockett is referring to the situation, I think it was in Birmingham, where they're at that boat dock, where it literally was a race brawl, where a black man hit a white woman over the head with a chair.
And this is what she's referring to.
And this is why I believe that people like her are going to give us a lot of leverage to win.
But also, people like her are so openly racist, and they need to be called out for it.
Because this chair incident is not just some friendly reminder.
This is literally what you're going to see on this picture if it turns into a video.
I'm glad that she's doing it.
I hope she keep it up.
benny johnson
Like, listen, they didn't ask me, but I hope I can, I hope I can reap, I'll go and I'll change my pronouns, right?
I'll dye my hair, and I'll come back as a DNC consultant, Brandon.
And I will, first thing I'll do is I'll book you as a left-wing activist on campus, like we talked about last time, right, to see what happens.
And then I'll have the DNC debates, and everybody will have folding chairs.
And then maybe at the DNC debates.
Right?
When it's Stephen A. Smith and Jasmine Crockett and AOC and Bernie, they can all just get the chair.
And it'd make for great, entertaining television.
And maybe that's how they could settle the debates.
brandon tatum
A thousand percent.
benny johnson
Just a thought.
brandon tatum
They need our help, man.
We need to get in there and infiltrate.
You know something funny that I thought about the other day?
My son, my oldest son is 14 years old and he's already 6 '3".
And we were joking the other day at the table and we said, you know, what if my son was identified as a woman?
He'll go straight to the WNBA for middle school and have NIL deals and endorsements out of the wazoo.
That's how silly these people are.
Literally, they're okay with somebody doing that.
And I'm telling you, Benny, strategically, we won't do it because we really are Christian people and we love the Lord and we don't do stuff like that.
But I could imagine.
Somebody who have a 14-year-old kid that may not be, now my son a player in the NBA, but a 14-year-old kid that may not be good enough, why not put a wig on him and change his pronouns and he will literally be the highest scoring WNBA player ever in history and go to the Hall of Fame.
So, you know, I think it alludes to how silly these people are if you just look at it, you know, if you play the scenarios out.
benny johnson
WNBA is so woke.
Why aren't you letting men just dunk on Angel Reese?
Why aren't you letting men just dunk on Caitlyn Clark?
Just body Caitlyn Clark across the court.
Why not?
Where's the limiting factor here?
That's a great point.
Your son could get filthy rich doing that.
Why not?
If you're that woke, then clearly you can't define what a woman is.
You would never stop Brandon Sutton.
What's your son's name?
brandon tatum
Caden.
benny johnson
You'd never stop Caden from doing that.
Yeah, it's a great point.
Okay, so let's talk about kids.
Let's talk about a big clip that, you know, I'm reticent to go here because obviously this is something that's designed to split the internet in half.
We talked about Carmelo Anthony last time.
And then Shiloh Hendricks this Friday went thermonuclear viral, obviously.
And it seems like they're now pitting two fundraisers against each other.
On Give, Send, Go.
So this lady uses the N-word on a playground.
And her kid had a bag stolen from him or something like that.
And now she's raising money.
What's your take on this?
Is this the inverse?
Is this where we want society to be going?
Obviously, there's no such thing as a banned word.
There are not words without consequences, however.
Your opinion on, I think, like, your opinion on sort of the societal breakdown here and what's actually going on?
brandon tatum
I think, Benny, I don't think this is where we want the country to go, but I think this is where the country is going to go because this is a direct backlash, in my opinion, against Carmelo Anthony.
I just think that it has gotten to a place where white people have felt suppressed and victimized by everything black people do.
I mean, this kid...
Now, let me be clear, because I had to do this the other day.
I don't support this lady.
I think she's an idiot.
It looked like she's trashy.
To call a kid a name anyway shows a level of immaturity and trashiness.
However, I think people are sick and tired.
Of allowing other races, and I think white people specifically, to allow other races to treat them any kind of way, and they can't say anything.
This kid is stealing, allegedly.
He's stealing from her, which is incredibly ridiculous.
It came out, allegedly, that the guy who was filming her also had been arrested for being a sex offender.
So, you know, this is trashy people filming, trashy people doing trashy stuff.
And the kid that she's talking about isn't five years old.
I mean, you can look at the kid on the picture there.
If you scroll up a little bit, you see this kid.
That's not a five-year-old.
He look a lot bigger than a five-year-old.
Regardless of that, trashy on trashy on trashy.
Some trashy parent didn't raise their kid to not steal from people.
A trashy guy is filming a woman who's trash enough to call a kid an N-word.
But I'm saying that the reason that they raised the money is because she got doxxed over using a word.
Now, people are sick of...
This outrage over a word when black people are killing each other.
And I'm not saying at all.
The ones who are doing this are literally killing each other.
And nobody gets outraged by it.
My wife was telling me about a young kid that got killed in the drive-thru because the child's dad was involved in a gang situation and they went and shot him up and ended up killing his daughter.
And I don't think it was a drive-thru.
It was a car wash.
And where's the outrage?
Where's the GoFundMe?
Where's Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?
They don't exist.
And so when young people are laying dead in the street through gang violence and other violence that are perpetuated by other people of their same race, they say nothing.
And this lady just mentioned a word and we don't know if she said it to the kid or she just said the word and the guy heard her say it and she was referring to the kid, if you know what I'm saying.
And it's outrage all over the internet.
And I'll just tell you this, Benny.
I don't know if you'll uncover this, but also, I want you to go to all the black blogs and look up the commentary regarding that father that ran over a police officer and killed him because the day before, his son was killed by the police after pointing a gun at law enforcement.
But when you go to the blogs and you go to some of these comment sections, they are supporting this man who raised an idiot.
That pulled a gun on cops, and then he turns around to kill an innocent police officer the very next day because he was outraged that his son had died.
But look at the comments section, and you'll realize why people are deciding to be tribal enough to give half a million dollars to a woman who said the N-word to a young child.
benny johnson
So, first off, you just brought me back, man.
I live in an all-black neighborhood in D.C. I live in a very poor part of D.C. Those, you know, this is all we could afford, right?
When we first got married, my wife and I. And this was during BLM.
And there were marches day and night through Washington, D.C. for Black Lives Matter.
And the defunding the police movement started in Washington, D.C. I mean, that was the first police department to get defunded was in D.C. And what that led to was a wholesale slaughter of my neighborhood.
Someone got shy of it.
I'm like, I have my ring cameras to this day.
People getting, like, completely murdered in my front yard.
I mean, murder in my front yard.
Black-on-black crime exploded.
People's getting their houses burned down.
People's kids getting carried out in stretchers.
Like, it was atrocious in my neighborhood.
And there was never a tear shed.
You couldn't even get articles written about it.
You know, I was, like, constantly, like, talking about this.
That's why I eventually moved out of D.C., man.
And that's what the BLM movement brought to my neighborhood.
In Washington.
I was probably witness to 20 body bags of black people, black-on-black crime, in Northeast D.C. And not a peep about it.
Brought about by this movement.
It's totally demonic.
brandon tatum
Yeah, and the funny thing is I get criticized on the internet all the time.
They say, I hate black people.
I never say anything positive about black people.
And it's very interesting because when I talk about Cannon Zones and her and I started a nonprofit called Blexit, which was specifically to address inner city communities, that doesn't count.
When I talk about Byron Donalds, who's a Republican congressman, that doesn't count.
When I talk positively about black people, they don't want to hear it because it's not the black people they want me to talk about.
But then I also say, for all the people out here who are celebrities and activists or whatever, when do you address the issues in the inner city?
That's the problem.
Nobody's talking about it, so it seems like I'm exaggerating because I'm the only one saying anything.
It is a problem, Benny.
It's a problem.
That this woman is getting criticized because she said a word that black people use against each other every day.
In every rap song, in every conversation, most black people are throwing an N-word, left and right, right and left.
But then when a white person say it, it somehow has reinvigorated this racism.
When it's simply a stupid, ignorant, derogatory term.
Let me add this part.
People who are black, I say Americans of African descent.
Used to not use that word.
You telling me people that came out of slavery, who was running businesses, they were not calling each other the N-word.
They weren't sagging their pants.
They weren't having children out of wedlock.
We have to remember that this is a decline of the African-American population.
This is not par for the course.
This is why I'm so passionate about it, because I'm watching it go like this.
I'm watching a man run over a cop, and in the comment section, they celebrating that man.
You will never see.
I don't believe, and if somebody can show me evidence, I'll shut up.
You will never see another race doing that, where a white guy gets killed because he, a white kid gets killed because he pulled a gun on cops, and his daddy go run a cop over, and in the comment section, they're like, yep, see what they, that's what they get.
They did one of ours.
We got to do one of theirs.
And I'm not saying this is all black people, because some...
People need me to compartmentalize this.
It's not all black people.
It's just the ignorant black people.
And unfortunately, even the celebrities amongst us, even the highest paid people, even the most successful people who are black are completely out of their minds.
benny johnson
So she brought it up.
It's just a follow-up question there, Brandon.
We don't use racial slurs on this channel.
It's not smart to do that, obviously, right, when you're broadcasting.
I think it's ugly no matter what race you're talking about.
But I'm also against protected language, meaning we live in a country governed by the First Amendment.
There's no such thing as a protected word.
There's no such thing as a word for your race or height or where you come from.
There are words that have consequences.
There are a lot of naughty words in society that have consequences if you use them publicly.
Whether you're saying I'm at a bus stop or whether you're saying I'm on a live stream.
But where exactly did this come from where this word, the N-word, has total and complete and ubiquity inside of certain subcultures and is said, you know, listen, just listen to any rap song that I grew up with, right, in the early 2000s.
And then, but then, it is like, how did that happen exactly?
Where, like, it's like a protected word.
What is that, Brandon?
Can you unpack that for me?
brandon tatum
I don't know, man.
I don't know how it's become proliferated the way it has.
I understand that some people are offended when people use what they call the hard R because back in the day, people used to use it with such vitriolic intentions.
However, today, there are some that claim we've gotten the word back.
It's ours now.
That's why we use it on each other.
But in reality, you haven't gotten the word back because it still offends you.
So you have done nothing but become ignorant by using the word every day, calling white people the word, calling black people the word, Mexican people the word.
But if anybody used the word, even if they're rapping to a song, they're not even using it in a negative way.
White people can't sing the song that they paid for and the concert that they paid to go to.
They can't sing because they're white all of a sudden.
It makes no sense.
It's like if women...
We're calling each other the B word every single day.
And I've seen women do this, which is also crazy.
But if women were saying, you B, you B, you B, hey B, girl B, whatever, and then somebody call them a B, they'd be like, I can't believe you said the word.
It's like, we have to be more mature as human beings to say, a word only has the power that you give it.
If somebody called me the N word.
It's no different than calling me dumb.
It's no different than calling me stupid or anything else.
You're calling me a name that I don't associate with.
So I'm not going to get extra mad because a white person called me the N-word.
That word has no power because it is a word.
Now you put your hands on me or something like that, then we're having a different conversation.
But if you were just calling a word to me...
It doesn't matter.
Let me give you an example, Benny.
Two times I've been called an N-word in my life, and I believe that both of those times were done by white people who wanted to antagonize me as a police officer.
Growing up, my whole life, I've never been called an N-word by any white person, ever.
When I was a cop, it was twice.
One was an idiot.
Who was running around at a crime scene where everybody got their rifles out.
We got the canine, the helicopter, somebody shooting an AR from an apartment complex, and this fool is just lingering around.
And we tell him to move.
He got mad at me because the black man said it.
He wanted to make me mad as a cop and said, shut up, you in, right?
Because he know I'm not going to do anything because he has the freedom to speak.
And then I had one other time, I think it was a guy who was at a tow truck company.
He was a fraudulent tow truck guy.
Who was screwing people over.
And he decided to call me an in one day.
Now, of course, he apologized to the police department, but he still called it to me.
Why do you think he called it to me?
I don't know if it's because he's racist or he wanted to get under my skin.
He thought that if he said that word to me, he will win the argument and make me upset.
But at the end of the day, Benny, any rational person views words as exactly what they are.
They are just words.
And they don't hurt you if you don't allow them to.
benny johnson
It's almost like they were trying to get a payout, right?
It's like the number one thing that they could do to get you to take the baton out and kick their ass, right?
Yeah.
And then do it on camera.
It's like the easiest way.
That's the easiest way for them to win the argument.
Right.
brandon tatum
Right.
benny johnson
Just a word.
Here, we have a rare photo.
We have a photo of Brandon Tatum in uniform.
unidentified
Here we go.
Uh-oh.
benny johnson
All right.
It looks like you're speaking at an event.
Or singing.
Maybe you're singing a song.
There's like sheet music in front of you.
I don't know.
Was this the national anthem, Brandon?
brandon tatum
No, no.
I wish I could sing, though.
If I would, I'd be the singing police officer, man.
But this was a community event.
It's so funny.
This is a community event.
Of course, I was much younger, much skinnier.
And I had no facial hair, so I looked like a weirdo.
But I was a PIO at this time when I was a police officer, so I was one of the spokespeople for the police department.
So I went to a community event, and they wanted me to speak about safety and things like that.
So, yeah, that's the young B. Tatum, man, moving up the ranks.
God dang, I look crazy.
benny johnson
You don't want to see society go this way.
I'd like to see a pullback from the brink, right?
You don't want to see the incentivization of stabbing.
Right?
Or the incentivization of, you know, poor behavior, right?
And this is like the kind of things that you don't want in society.
How do you pull back from this?
Or are we too far down the brink?
Because you're right.
It didn't start this way.
Something's gone horribly wrong over the last couple of years.
The last couple of decades, right?
brandon tatum
Yeah, I think it's going to have to be an individual effort.
You know, as a collective, I think it's going off a cliff.
I think that many of the cultural...
Behaviors and dynamics in Black communities, as well as others got their own stuff, but specifically the Black community, I think that it's going to go off of a cliff and you better save yourself before it's too late.
Individual people can change and move on and grow and learn and have open minds.
Just like when I was speaking to Stephen A. Smith.
Stephen A. Smith wasn't always in agreeance with me.
Or any of us on the conservative side, but he was an open-minded man, so he's able to get himself out of the rut and open his mind and understanding to being the best version of himself.
And the best version of himself don't mean he's a conservative.
It just means you're open-minded.
You're not sitting in a circle talking to the same people, believing something that's a complete lie.
So individuals, if they put God first and they allow God to change their heart...
No matter where you come from, no matter what your background is, no matter who your parents are, who your grandparents were, you can always get to a better version of yourself.
But for those who abandon God, want nothing to do with Christ, and think that everything is externally controlled on what happens in their lives, they're going to forever be victims, and they're going to go off of the cliff with the rest of the people.
people, you name it, people who are human beings are all going to fall to the same fate if they don't put God first.
benny johnson
Man, you're so right about that.
Isn't it like if you live in a society like ours where you can't depend on everybody having the same skin color, you can't depend on everybody coming from the same place, you live in this like sort of multi-racial and demographic jigsaw puzzle of a society, you have to have something that unites everyone.
brandon tatum
Everyone.
benny johnson
Otherwise, you're going to live in a zero-trust society.
You have to have a...
I'm so glad that you mentioned God and that you mentioned Christ there, because that's why we do it every single show.
You have to have something that knits it together, that holds it together, that people can point to and say, we agree on that, actually.
brandon tatum
And I'm not just saying this in theory.
This is not something I read in a book.
This is something I know by personal experience.
I used to have that vitriolic hatred towards white people when I was growing up.
I thought white people hated me and they were racist against me and I had to work twice as hard as the white man.
And you know what I'm saying?
The cops pull you over just because you're black.
I used to believe that and embody that.
And it wasn't until I got saved in 2008 that God began to break that up in my heart where now I see us as we're just people.
Benny is not white.
You're not white to me.
You're just Benny.
That's it.
You are who you are.
My wife is...
I don't go...
See my wife every day and be like, wow, I got a white wife.
No, Corinne is just Corinne.
That's who she is.
You know, her personality, who she is, who she is in Christ is the only thing that's important.
And a lot of us, if we just stop looking at the external, which means that whether you're tall, short, ugly, cute, fat, skinny, black, white, you quit looking at that.
And look at how God has ordained for us to view each other.
We're all family at the end of the day.
We're all the human species.
We're all made in God's image.
So that color thing is the most ignorant, delusional aspect of someone getting to know a person or judging them and who they are.
You are not predicated or your existence is not predicated upon the melanated Skin that you have.
Because to be honest, if you look at me right here, you see I'm white up here and I'm brown.
This is just...
benny johnson
Bro, that is one hell of a tan line.
unidentified
Whoa!
brandon tatum
I was at Talladega getting a tan line out of control.
Wow!
It's just simply...
Melatonin in the skin that can change, man.
So it has really nothing to do with a person's internal existence.
benny johnson
Wow.
I mean, thank you for exposing yourself as biracial on the stream.
I think that'll get clipped, and we appreciate that.
I mean, this is like a big revelation for us.
That is quite a tan line.
Good for you.
It's like you're living in Arizona.
We're living in Florida.
You get these tan lines, man.
brandon tatum
Oh, yeah.
It's gnarly, man.
To be honest, and I'm not even outside all the time.
When I was growing up and we used to play football outside and practice outside, the tan lines were insane, dude.
I think I become like four or five shades darker in the summer, and in the winter, everybody gets lighter again.
But, I mean, this right here is just one weekend in Talladega.
I mean, just imagine.
You know, a prolonged period outside.
You know, my wife can't do it, though, because she turns into a lobster when she's outside.
She turns red and she burns.
With me, I just get warmed up a little bit, get cooked a little bit, a little browning on it.
benny johnson
Hey, man, we're looking forward to you here in Tampa in about a month, right?
Turning Point Student Action Summit.
We can kick it.
Brandon, Godspeed, man.
This is Brandon Tatum.
You all know Brandon Tatum.
We got the X account.
Crossing a million subs and then millions and millions more on YouTube.
Everybody got to follow Brandon.
And the guy's just blowing up and spitting it real.
And he's been doing it.
He's one of the OGs, right?
He's like not somebody who's new, who's coming around the corner.
He's somebody who's been doing it and cracking skulls for decades at this point and putting it all out there.
So, Brandon, Godspeed, man.
Again, let's kick it when you're here in Tampa.
brandon tatum
Oh, for sure.
God bless you, Benny.
Thanks for having me on.
benny johnson
All right.
All right.
Tan lines, brother.
unidentified
That's great.
See ya.
you you Alright, ladies and gentlemen.
benny johnson
Always fun, rocking show back in the studio.
We're happy to be back, honestly.
Very happy.
And very happy for our verse of the day.
Here we go.
The Lord is my shepherd.
I lack nothing.
From Psalms 23. The Lord is my shepherd.
What else do I need?
Right?
Yeah.
unidentified
Psalm 23. What a beautiful verse for today.
benny johnson
This is a moment, obviously, for all of us to practice our faith and for us to reassert and reconnect with the thing that ties us all together and that locks down the truth.
The truth is the light, and that's how we get saved.
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for walking in the light with us, and thank you for marching with us onto victory.
It's your boy, Benny.
This is The Benny Show.
See you tomorrow.
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See you tomorrow.
All right, dirtbag.
All you have to know is that Harriet is a sweet, kind and loving person.
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