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unidentified
Starting in Georgia, where Kamala Harris and Tim Walz are wrapping up their bus tour before their big sit-down with CNN.
The Trump campaign just putting out a list of suggested questions as the former president hits the trail in two critically important states.
Lucas Tomlinson has all the details on a very busy day.
lucas tomlinson
Well, good morning, Todd.
First, the Nationals went on to beat the Yankees and took two out of three against New York here in Washington, but I digress.
Now, the story we're here and the day we've been waiting for, Kamala Harris' first sit-down interview since President Biden dropped out of the race.
It'll be a taped interview with CNN's Dan Abash.
The Trump campaign was to help out, suggesting a few questions.
Let's take a look at them.
Here's the first question.
If you are capable of lowering prices for Americans, why haven't you done it in the three and a half years you've been in office?
You say housing affordability would be a day one priority if you were elected.
Why is it not a priority now?
You co-sponsored Medicare for All and the Green New Deal.
Do you still support these multi-trillion dollar takeovers of the American economy?
You talk a lot about freedom.
What about the freedom of Lake and Riley, Rachel Morin, and Jocelyn Nangare?
Why did you support executive actions like stopping construction of the border?
Next slide, please.
Why did you conceal Joe Biden's cognitive decline from the American people?
You supported the defund the police movement and have said more that police doesn't mean more safety.
Why do you want fewer police officers?
You've called for getting rid of cash bail and your campaign hasn't backed away from it.
Why do you still support such a radical view?
You have sent anonymous aides out to claim you've abandoned the radical liberal positions that you've held for decades.
Do you think lying to the American people is the best strategy?
That one will probably make the cut.
Now here's J.D. Vance at a campaign stop in Pennsylvania yesterday.
jd vance
Kamala Harris, she's pretending that she agrees with us on everything.
And if you look at her campaign the past week and a half, she pretends that she agrees with Donald J. Trump on every issue.
She is running a copycat campaign.
lucas tomlinson
And Kamala Harris speaking to high school students in Georgia.
kamala harris
Your generation, all that you guys stand for, Everything you have at stake is what is going to propel our country into the next era.
We wanted to come by to remind you that our nation is counting on you.
We're so proud of you.
lucas tomlinson
Now, a new Fox News poll shows Harris up slightly in Arizona, Georgia, and Nevada, with Trump up a point in North Carolina.
Recall North Carolina state Trump narrowly won in 2020.
Trump narrowly lost Arizona, Georgia, and Nevada four years ago, Todd.
unidentified
Who's ready for your interview?
Actually, we'll be interviewing as a team.
We're here to f*** you up.
We want to tell you the stuff we're not good at.
Our weaknesses.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Who is this gentleman sitting behind you?
Hello, Miss Lady.
I'm Tim.
I'm what you might call a workhorse.
I need to have someone go up and down with me in the elevator.
I have a weakness for sweet.
We're slow learners.
We're not particularly good listeners.
We're also slow learners.
kamala harris
Okay, first of all...
unidentified
Wait, shut your mouth.
Shut your mouth.
Shut up for one second.
Shut your mouth.
kamala harris
I'm speaking.
unidentified
That's really good.
Woo, baby.
benny johnson
We were sending it.
When we're back live just off a couple days from the live and we are so happy to be back in the arena and you might have noticed that a couple of things have changed.
Like perhaps you'll note that Kamala Harris is about to speak live on CNN for a whole hour.
Oh wait, I'm sorry.
Hold on.
My producer is telling me.
It was just 18 minutes.
And they cut half the interview.
And they're not releasing the transcript.
And she wasn't speaking live.
This was a pre-record.
And that the pre-record had to be with her emotional, fluffy, support animal, vice presidential candidate, Tim Stolen AWOLS Valor.
Who's also into animals.
At least that's what we hear.
But ladies and gentlemen, I digress.
We are live.
We ourselves are live because we're not cowards.
We're not running for president or anything, but we are actually live here in the studio, and we're going to play you what CNN has to offer tonight as its first interview with Kamala Harris.
Interview with Kamala Harris.
It's already a nightmare.
It's already an unmitigated disaster.
Today is Thursday, August 29th, 2024.
It's so good to be back.
After the DNC, I needed to go.
To therapy, okay?
I saw the comment section.
Everyone's like, Benny wasn't there because I was actually spending some time with my children because I'd been on the road for like half the summer.
So I went and saw my kids for a little bit and also announced that we are having a fourth child and the Johnson family is very hot and excited to be continuing the human race.
Ladies and gentlemen, passing on our values and our values of courage and Kamala Harris has none.
Again, in a short order, we will...
Watch Kamala Harris try to stumble and fumble through a word salad that would make the finest chefs at sweet green blush.
Trump goes on the attack against Kamala Harris as Trump campaign senior advisor Tim Murtaugh will be joining the program in just a moment to tell us about what we're about to hear.
Trump advisors have been sounding off online and we'll get to all of it right here in the arena.
So, yeah, Kamala's had a real one, okay?
Kamala's had a real one.
This is Kamala Harris from seconds ago.
She was live at a fake rally.
I call it a fake rally because it's fake.
unidentified
It's all fake.
benny johnson
It's fugazi.
It's all fake.
Kamala Harris was at a rally, and I said she's literally worse than Biden.
Tell me if you know what she's saying here.
Let me know in the comments section.
Get in the comment section.
We'll pin our favorite.
But, like, can you explain, like, what's actually going on here?
unidentified
He even called for termination of the United States Supreme, the Supreme Land of our nation, the United States Constitution.
benny johnson
Okay, got it.
All right.
So this is a Kamala Harris' rally inside of Georgia.
Now, what's curious about this rally inside of Georgia was, one, the Kamala Harris and Russ look like going into the rally.
There's literally more Trump supporters outside of the rally than there are Kamala Harris supporters inside of the rally.
unidentified
Kamala Harris also was, uh...
Why do they always choose that periwinkle blue?
benny johnson
Why do they always choose that low testosterone blue?
I don't understand.
Look at the deep, dark, rich American blue of the Donald Trump flags versus the neutered beta blue there.
Kamala Harris apparently canceled a campaign stop today because of the number of Trump supporters that were lining the streets in Georgia.
This is some behind-the-scenes of Kamala Harris going and filming her interview with CNN earlier today.
unidentified
Listen to this.
Trump!
benny johnson
Trump Come on, boys.
This is Kamala actually walking into something.
I mean, look, they filmed inside of what looks like the parent-teacher conference center.
Kamala Harris met with Chancellor Trump as she arrives at Softball CNN interview in Georgia.
J.D. Vance, who's been having one...
What a hell of a role here against Kamala Harris, trolling her, walking up to her plane.
Maybe we can, can we load that up, boys?
Like, let's load up the JD Vance, walks up and trolls Kamala after the plane, because there's probably going to be a commercial break here with CNN.
I don't want to play, obviously, any of CNN's commercials.
We need to get JD Vance Alpha walking to the plane.
JD Vance posting on X today, getting 4.1 million views, 10,000 likes, and 47,000 reposts, and 47,000 likes.
Correction there.
This clip, breaking!
I have gotten a hold of Kamala Harris' full CNN interview.
unidentified
This is what is what J.D. Post shown a fifth of Americans can't locate the U.S. on a world map.
Why do you think this is?
I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because some People out there in our nation don't have maps, and I believe that our education, like, such as in South Africa and the Iraq, everywhere, like, such as, and I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S.,
or should help South Africa, and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future.
Thank you very much, South Carolina.
benny johnson
Thank you very much.
You're so smart.
You know, they've released some of the little clips.
We'll play you one right now.
It sounds very similar to that.
J.D. Vance, right again.
Jason Miller from the Trump campaign saying, hearing that the CNN will not be releasing the full transcript, 18 minutes total of an interview.
18 minutes?
What are they cutting out?
This is what the interview...
It looked like, according to Dana Bash, but what the interview actually looked like is this.
unidentified
Yikes!
benny johnson
What the hell is going on here?
Again, we're going to watch it live.
We'll play it live.
It's supposed to go live in 15 minutes, ladies and gentlemen.
So we'll see what absolute flaming nightmare they'll have here.
Check this out.
How many coffee cups can you jam into a single shot?
Why is it coffee, coffee, coffee, coffee?
What are they trying to tell us here?
What exactly are they trying to say?
Stephen Chong, also Donald Trump.
Readout from the taped CNN Kamala interview.
Already over.
Short.
She got jammed up.
Maybe they'll make the final cut.
Okay.
What's going on here?
Donald Trump Jr.
Well, the first Kamala interview is only 18 minutes long.
They're not even releasing the whole thing.
It's insane.
This did not go well.
They truncated it to 18 minutes.
They will not release the full transcript.
Holy guacamole.
Already, this thing's getting panned.
And ripped to shred.
It has been 40 days since Kamala Harris was legally anointed in the most undemocratic, authoritarian, fascistic process that we've ever seen, actually, in American history as a candidate.
And this thing is getting destroyed.
Only 18 minutes long.
So let's play a clip.
They've gone out.
They've gone out and they've released a stinger clip.
You know, like...
They released the trailer, okay?
You gotta put out a single before you put out a whole album, right?
Here we go.
Here's the best they got from Camilla.
unidentified
Speaking, how should voters look at some of the changes that you've made, that you've explained some of here in your policy?
Is it because you have more experience now and you've learned more about the information?
Is it because you were running for president in a Democratic primary?
And should they feel comfortable and confident that what you're saying now is going to be your policy moving forward?
kamala harris
Dana, I think the most important and most significant aspect of my policy perspective and decisions is my values have not changed.
You mentioned the Green New Deal.
I have always believed, and I have worked on it, that the climate crisis is real, that it is an urgent matter.
To which we should apply metrics that include holding ourselves to deadlines around time.
We did that with the Inflation Reduction Act.
We have set goals for the United States of America, and by extension the globe, around when we should meet certain standards for reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.
As an example, that value has not changed.
benny johnson
CNN editors deleting clips of Kamala Fails from the interview.
unidentified
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
Oh, man.
benny johnson
Did they film this in the break room?
It's like a parent-teacher con.
It really is like the assistant vice principal and the principal telling the parent, like, your kid needs to stop eating so many crayons.
They smell funny.
unidentified
Have you considered using organic soap?
benny johnson
Soap.
Creepy.
So awful.
What the hell is that?
I've never seen a Trump interview look anything like this.
This looks awful.
It looks like a creepy movie set for like a low rent, very, very cheap D movie that plays on sci-fi late at night.
Tim Murtog is somebody you absolutely must follow.
Onyx is a Trump senior campaign advisor.
This answer is clearly and carefully crafted.
My values haven't changed, he says.
But her values have changed.
She has every single contradiction in all of her values.
You know she's for a border wall now?
Interesting.
What a phony, says Tim Murtaugh.
Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is senior Trump campaign advisor, author of the Amazon bestseller Swing Hard, in case you hit it, co-host of the Lynn Dry Pod with Tim, with Hogan Gidley.
Ladies and gentlemen, the great Tim Rotoch joins the show live.
unidentified
Thank you.
Thank you.
benny johnson
you you Tim, I've got to apologize to you.
I think that my producer messed up the name of your podcast.
I want to get it right.
It's Line Drive.
tim murtaugh
That's correct.
The Line Drive podcast with me and everybody's pal.
America's sweetheart, Hogan Gidley.
benny johnson
He is America's sweetheart.
He's a sweet man.
He's a nice dresser.
unidentified
He's a good guy.
benny johnson
Makes the rest of us look bad.
You know what?
I saw Hogan Gidley in D.C. and I'm like, you dress so well, I'm just going to resort to a black t-shirt all day.
I'm just going to give up.
And say, no more.
Okay, so you've been lighting them up on X, saying that Kamala Harris is a phony, that she effectively is delivering word salads that would make a sweet green barista blush.
What's going on with this interview?
You've seen some of the clips.
Apparently they're not going to release the whole thing.
Maybe that's fake news, is it?
tim murtaugh
Well, I don't know.
We'll have to see when CNN actually airs it at 9 o 'clock coming up.
I think you'd be able to tell if there were some edits there.
And I think you're dead on about the set that they're using there.
I mean, it looks like they went into some kind of...
We Workspace or something like that.
I mean, what a nondescript...
You would think for such an anticipated thing that they have so controlled every aspect of her post ever since she became the presumed nominee.
They've controlled every minutiae, all the minutiae of it.
Why would they pick that spot and that setting?
It looks horrible on TV.
It just looks terrible.
Anyway, she looks like she's sitting there with her lawyer in traffic court, and it's like a pretrial thing, and they're hoping to get the speeding ticket dismissed.
That's what it looks like right there.
But her thing, the one clip that they released, my values haven't changed.
It's pretty obvious that that's a...
An answer that they workshopped quite a bit to land on that, because obviously she has never held the positions that her campaign is now claiming that she holds.
Like, she supports fracking now?
Give me a break.
She does not support fracking.
And Fox is running around calling it a flip-flop.
She doesn't believe these things.
If you say it's a flip-flop, it gives her credit.
For having these positions, we don't believe that these are her positions.
It's the ones that she's had for decades.
So when she says, my values haven't changed, well then how on earth do you explain these 180 degree turns from what her old position used to be to what it supposedly is now?
That means that she's even worse.
That makes her more...
If her values haven't changed, but she's still wildly changing her positions on certain very important policies, then you super-duper can't trust her.
We knew that you couldn't trust her before, but now she's actually telling us, I don't believe these things that I'm saying.
Because if she says her values haven't changed, then what she says today cannot possibly be true.
You can't trust her.
So that's the point.
benny johnson
The thing I can't get over, Tim, and perhaps you could elucidate for me.
How we are supposed to trust somebody whose party has been in power for 12 of the last 16 years, who says they're going to fix an America in shambles, and expresses that they are the ones, certainly not them, are the ones who are to blame for all of this.
I can't justify it.
Maybe it's working with some people.
Maybe it's clicking with some people that they don't blame Kamala Harris for the last 16 years of like...
Unified party, Democrat control of the country.
I mean, is this going to fly?
And by the way, you know, she's for a border wall now, which is crazy.
Wow.
tim murtaugh
Yeah, that's what I'm saying when she says my values haven't changed.
Well, her old value, or at least the one we know about, was that the border wall is un-American.
That's what she said.
It's un-American.
So if her values haven't changed, yet she claims to support the border wall now.
How do you square those two things?
It means she's a complete and utter phony, and she's actually admitting it.
So I don't know how they think that these things are going to land.
I'm not sure that this is a really high-quality strategy they've got here, but I'm afraid that they're saddled with the candidate who is, in fact, god-awful.
There is a reason, Benny, why she withdrew from the presidential primaries in the 2020 Democratic primaries before it was even 2020.
She quit in December of 2019, and there's a reason why she left the race with basically zero percent.
It's because she's a bad candidate.
She couldn't even survive in the field of Democratic candidates when she was pushing everything to the left.
She's a California Democrat.
She has never before ever carried an election on her own when she ran nationally with Joe Biden.
Of course, she was running for vice president.
She has never been the principal candidate on the ballot outside of California.
And she's about to find out just how out of step her crazy leftist California views.
She's a San Francisco liberal, and she's pretending not to be one.
That's her biggest problem.
benny johnson
So let's talk through some of the polls today out.
I know that you've been posting quite a few of them.
Nate Silver has now Donald Trump back on top.
Seems like there was no bump from the DNC convention.
That's got to be very alarming for Kamala Harris and her team, along with the RFK endorsement of Donald Trump.
tim murtaugh
Yeah, I would think that they are sort of in a panic mode over there because at Nate Silver's thing today, he had an extensive analysis of Pennsylvania.
And Pennsylvania for Kamala Harris may be the whole ballgame.
I think it's pretty clear, it's conventional wisdom, that everyone believes that the Democrats cannot win if they do not win Pennsylvania.
They must win Pennsylvania.
Now, winning Pennsylvania does not guarantee victory for them, but they can't win without it.
And Nate Silver at 538 had an extensive analysis today, and he's got Pennsylvania firmly in Donald Trump's camp.
And if that holds, and I don't see any reason why it wouldn't, then Kamala Harris is really up against it, because in Pennsylvania...
She's going to do one of these things where she's going to have to go out there and try to believe, try to get people to believe that she thinks certain things that everyone knows that she does not think.
Like she's got to go to Pennsylvania and say, I support fracking when she doesn't.
She has to tell those workers in Western Pennsylvania, hey, I'm looking out for your job in the natural gas industry when she is not looking out for them, has not looked out for them, and will not.
Look out for them.
She's not good.
You can tell every time she gets caught in these catchphrase loops, it's because she's talking about subject matter with which she's not very comfortable or familiar.
And if she has to go to Western PA and look these natural gas workers in the face and say, I support your industry.
I love fracking.
No one's going to buy it because it's not true.
It simply is not true.
So Pennsylvania is a real big problem for her.
And unfortunately for her, it means everything.
It is 100% of the race.
She might as well be running for the president of Pennsylvania.
And she's not going to do it.
There's no way she can get across the finish line because of the positions that she has always had.
And it's not fooling anybody to say, oh, you know what?
39 days ago, I woke up and I thought, oh, my gosh, I love fracking now.
Who's going to buy that?
No one.
benny johnson
You can see here, I mean, this is relatively disastrous.
After the DNC convention, Joe Biden was up by 10 points on President Trump.
Hillary Clinton was up by over 10 points on President Trump.
Donald Trump would go on to win that race and would go on to win Pennsylvania, as you're talking about.
And now you can see that Harris got no—Harris actually went down during the DNC convention, which lends to an interesting paradox here for Democrats, which is that the more people see of her— The more they dislike her.
tim murtaugh
Right.
Now, remember, this is exactly what happened in 2019.
She started off, when she entered the race back then, she started off as kind of a buzzy candidate.
There was a lot of buzz around Kamala Harris.
The media was really focused on her as somebody who might be a real comer in the party.
And they thought that maybe this is one of the ones who might be able to go the distance and be one of the last few standing when they're trying to figure out exactly who was going to be the nominee back then.
But she had that initial buzz.
And then as soon as people started to get a look at her and watch her act, it began to quickly fall down and fall down and fall down.
The next thing you know, she's at 0.5% before Iowa.
See you later.
She's out of there.
The same thing is happening now.
The whole thing, her whole rise has been media fueled.
It's a total sugar high.
There's nothing inside this package that she and the media have carefully concocted.
And we're going to see later tonight.
It's not a performance problem.
It's not like Joe Biden when he was in the debate where he could at any moment perform an actual face plant, right?
Like a literal falling over and whacking his face on the floor.
That could have happened.
We watched it happen, actually.
Yeah, it practically did, yeah.
But that's not Kamala Harris's problem.
Her problem is not going out there and falling down or looking bewildered or any of those things.
It's the content of what she says and the way that she says it and how you can tell that she's just absolutely full of it.
Or you can also tell when she has no earthly idea what she's talking about.
That's her problem.
And now she's got to convince people that she believes something that she has never believed on like 20 different topics.
It's a tall order for somebody who's good at politics.
She's not good at politics.
No way she's able to pull this off.
benny johnson
Tim, since you just brought that up, I have to play you this very short 15-second clip from Kamala Harris just moments ago.
She's at a rally where a lot of people were bused in.
We know that.
We have the local news cameras.
It's like big buses taking people.
And maybe get your comment on that.
But more importantly, you're a communications expert.
This is your trade, your profession, the words that are coming out of a politician's mouth.
Can you please make any sense of this?
unidentified
He even called for termination of the United States Supreme, the Supreme Land of our nation, the United States Constitution.
Ooh.
benny johnson
What just happened?
tim murtaugh
I got nothing.
I don't know.
I don't know what she's talking about.
I mean, he's going to, what, terminate the land of the United States or the Supreme?
What?
I don't know.
I don't know what she's trying to talk about.
Is she alleging that somehow Donald Trump is going to, what, outlaw the Constitution?
I don't know.
I'm not sure exactly what she's going for there.
But there you see, when she gets off teleprompter, she had a thread of a thought, and then it was gone, and now she's out of her depth, and she can't recover.
So that's the thing.
When she's talking about these issues, for example, on the border, I would love to hear her give an...
Off script, off teleprompter, recitation of exactly why she supports Donald Trump's border wall after she called it un-American.
There is no way she can give a credible defense of why it's important to build the border wall after spending years, years denigrating it as a waste of money, un-American, it's racist, and blah, blah, so on and so forth, all the terrible things she said about it.
Now she wants people to believe that she supports it, she uses images of it in her television ads.
I mean, the whole thing is a fart.
It's like a Saturday Night Live sketch.
Honestly, God, you would be making up a candidate.
This is a candidate who is—now that she has become the nominee, now they've set out to design a candidate, one who can get elected, because a California Democrat cannot get elected.
A lefty from California cannot get elected.
But she's their candidate, so they have to— Un-California-ize her, I guess, if that's such a thing.
But that's what they're trying to do.
They're trying to get rid of all the crazy positions that she had.
And that's why they've spent the last 39 days trying to lay the groundwork to make sure that the staff, not her, but that the staff tells the media, oh, yeah, she's changed her mind and all those things, because they knew she couldn't handle it.
And they wanted the groundwork to be laid before she finally emerged.
Now she's doing this interview with Tim Walls, who is basically a stand-in for her.
He's like a human body pillow for her so she can hug it.
She gets nervous, right?
That's his role there.
And his thing, the unpaid volunteer assistant football coach running around like he's Andy freaking Reed.
Who's buying that?
What a phony that guy is, too.
The two of them together are the phoniest, most deceitful presidential ticket in modern American history.
It's really disgraceful, and it's actually frightening, the deception that they're attempting to pull off.
It really is frightening.
Think about it.
She's running as something, 100% phony candidate.
All of her positions are phony.
Her act is phony.
Her running mate is phony.
The way she became the nominee is phony.
All of it.
Every bit of it.
She helped lie to the country to cover up Joe Biden's decrepitude.
That's phony.
I've never seen anything so dishonest from beginning to end as this.
benny johnson
Well, here we are, the actual interview.
Tim, you're welcome to stick around and watch it with us.
unidentified
I would love to live chat with you, but I got to go see you guys.
benny johnson
I appreciate you, sir.
Thank you so much.
Everybody follow Tim, and Godspeed, sir.
tim murtaugh
Here's my book, Swing Heart in Case You Hit It, on Amazon.
Thank you.
benny johnson
Here you go.
unidentified
...today at Kim's Cafe here in Savannah.
Inside, nothing was off the table, and you will see our interview in its entirety.
The vice president's first as her party's standard bearer, responding to her critics and answering our questions.
Welcome aboard.
Thank you.
It's good to see you.
This is not where Vice President Harris thought she would be.
We're going to Georgia.
kamala harris
Yes.
Seventh trip there this year for me.
unidentified
A surprise nominee for president just months from Election Day, set in motion after a stunning debate.
Look, if we finally beat Medicare...
Some within your own party are wondering if President Biden should even step aside.
What do you say to that?
kamala harris
There was a slow start, but it was a strong finish.
unidentified
And then an extraordinary decision.
tim murtaugh
I've decided the best way forward.
It's the past that torts to a new generation.
unidentified
Philadelphia!
What usually takes years of planning, coming together in a matter of weeks.
Tim Wall!
After a historic nomination at the convention in Chicago.
kamala harris
On behalf of everyone whose story could only be written in the greatest nation on earth, I accept your nomination to be president of the United States of America.
unidentified
The Harris-Walls ticket is now pushing forward with the shortest presidential campaign in modern history.
What did you hear from voters here?
kamala harris
People are very optimistic.
unidentified
We join them on the trail as they visited the battleground of Georgia.
Just 68 days from the election.
Madam Vice President, Governor Walz, thank you so much for sitting down with me and bringing the bus.
The bus tour is well underway here in Georgia.
You have less time to make your case to voters than any candidate in modern American history.
The voters are really eager to hear what your plans are.
If you are elected, what would you do on day one in the White House?
kamala harris
There are a number of things.
I will tell you first and foremost, one of my highest priorities is to do what we can to support and strengthen the middle class.
When I look at the aspirations, the goals, the ambitions of the American people, I think that people are ready for a new way forward.
In a way that generations of Americans have been fueled by hope and by optimism.
I think, sadly, in the last decade, we have had in the former president someone who has really been pushing an agenda and an environment that is about diminishing the character and the strength of who we are as Americans.
Dividing our nation.
And I think people are ready to turn the page on that.
unidentified
So what would you do day one?
kamala harris
Day one, it's going to be about, one, implementing my plan for what I call an opportunity economy.
I've already laid out a number of proposals in that regard, which include what we're going to do to bring down the cost of everyday goods, what we're going to do to invest in America's small businesses, what we're going to do to invest in families.
For example, extending the child tax credit to $6,000 for families for the first year of their child's life to help them buy a car seat, to help them buy baby clothes, a crib.
There's the work that we're going to do that is about investing in the American family around affordable housing, a big issue in our country right now.
So there are a number of things on day one.
unidentified
What about you?
Well, I'm excited about this agenda, too.
As I said, the idea of inspiring America to what can be.
And I think many of these things that the vice president's proposing are things that we share in values in the Child Tax Credit.
It's one we know that reduces childhood poverty by a third.
We did it in Minnesota to have a federal partner in this.
Unbelievable, I think, in the impact that we can make.
You call it the opportunity economy.
You are well aware that right now many Americans are struggling.
There's a crisis of affordability.
One of your campaign themes is we're not going back.
But I wonder what you say to voters who do want to go back when it comes to the economy specifically because their groceries were less expensive, housing was more affordable when Donald Trump was president.
kamala harris
Well, let's start with the fact that when Joe Biden and I came in office, during the height of a pandemic, we saw over 10 million jobs were lost.
People, I mean, literally, we were all tracking the numbers.
Hundreds of people a day were dying because of COVID.
The economy had crashed.
In large part, all of that because of mismanagement by Donald Trump.
Of that crisis.
When we came in, our highest priority was to do what we could to rescue America.
And today, we know that we have inflation at under 3%.
A lot of our policies have led to the reality that America recovered faster than any wealthy nation around the world.
But you are right.
Prices, in particular for groceries, are still too high.
The American people know it.
I know it.
Which is why my agenda includes what we need to do to bring down the price of groceries.
For example, dealing with an issue like price gouging.
What we need to do to extend the child tax credit to help young families be able to take care of their children in their most formative years.
What we need to do to bring down the cost of housing.
My proposal includes what would be a tax credit of $25,000 for first-time homebuyers, so they can just have enough to put a down payment on a home, which is part of the American dream and their aspiration, but do it in a way that allows them to actually get on the path to achieving that goal and that dream.
unidentified
So you have been vice president for three and a half years.
The steps that you're talking about now, why haven't you done them already?
kamala harris
Well, first of all, we had to recover as an economy, and we have done that.
I'm very proud of the work that we have done that has brought inflation down to less than 3%.
The work that we have done to cap the cost of insulin at $35 a month for seniors.
Donald Trump said he was going to do a number of things, including allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.
Never happened.
We did it.
So now, as I travel in the state of Georgia and around our country, the number of seniors that have benefited, I've met, I was in Nevada recently, a grandmother who showed me her receipts.
And before, we capped the cost of insulin for seniors at $35 a month.
She was paying hundreds of dollars, up to thousands of dollars a month for her insulin.
She's not doing that anymore.
unidentified
You maintain Bidenomics.
kamala harris
I maintain that when we do the work of bringing down prescription medication for the American people, including capping the cost of the annual cost of prescription medication for seniors at $2,000, when we do what we did in the first year of being in office to extend the child tax credit so that we cut child poverty in America by over 50%, when we do what we have done to invest in the American people and...
Bringing manufacturing back to the United States so that we created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs.
Bringing business back to America.
What we have done to improve the supply chain so we're not relying on foreign governments to supply American families with their basic needs.
I'll say that that's good work.
There's more to do, but that's good work.
unidentified
I want to get some clarity on where you stand on some key policy issues.
Energy is a big one.
When you were in Congress, you supported the Green New Deal.
And in 2019, you said, quote, there is no question I'm in favor of banning fracking.
Fracking, as you know, is a pretty big issue, particularly in your must-win state of Pennsylvania.
Do you still want to ban fracking?
kamala harris
No, and I made that clear on the debate stage in 2020, that I would not ban fracking.
As vice president, I did not ban fracking.
As president, I will not ban fracking.
unidentified
You're lying!
In 2019, I believe, at a town hall, you were asked, would you commit to implementing a federal ban on fracking on your first day in office?
And you said, there's no question I'm in favor of banning fracking.
So yes.
So it changed in that campaign?
kamala harris
In 2020, I made very clear where I stand.
We are in 2024, and I've not changed that position, nor will I going forward.
I kept my word, and I will keep my word.
unidentified
What made you change that position at the time?
kamala harris
Let's be clear.
My values have not changed.
I believe it is very important that we take seriously what we must do to guard against what is a clear crisis in terms of the climate.
And to do that, we can do what we have accomplished thus far, the Inflation Reduction Act, what we have done to invest, by my calculation, over...
Probably a trillion dollars over the next 10 years.
Investing in a clean energy economy.
What we've already done, creating over 300,000 new clean energy jobs.
That tells me, from my experience as vice president, we can do it without banning fracking.
In fact, Dana, Dana, excuse me, I cast the tie-breaking vote that actually increased leases for fracking as vice president.
So I'm very clear about where I stand.
unidentified
And was there some...
Policy or scientific data that you saw that you said, oh, okay, I get it now.
kamala harris
What I have seen is that we can grow and we can increase a thriving clean energy economy without banning fracking.
unidentified
Another issue, a big one, is immigration.
As Vice President, you were tasked with addressing the root causes of migration in southern countries.
kamala harris
The northern part of Central America.
unidentified
The northern part of Central America that deals with, that affects the southern border of the U.S. During the Biden-Harris administration, there were record numbers of illegal border crossings.
Why did the Biden-Harris administration wait three and a half years to implement sweeping asylum restrictions?
kamala harris
Well, first of all...
The root causes work that I did as vice president that I was asked to do by the president has actually resulted in a number of benefits, including historic investments by American businesses in that region.
The number of immigrants coming from that region has actually reduced since we began that work.
But I will say this, that Joe Biden and I and our administration worked with members of the United States Congress on an immigration.
That is very significant to the American people and to our security, which is the border.
And through bipartisan work, including some of the most conservative members of the United States Congress, a bill was crafted, which we supported, which I support.
And Donald Trump got word of this bill that would have contributed to securing our border.
And because he believes that it would not have helped him politically.
He told his folks in Congress, don't put it forward.
He killed the bill.
A border security bill that would have put 1,500 more agents on the border.
And let me tell you something.
The Border Patrol endorsed the bill.
And I'm sure in large part because they knew they were working around the clock and 1,500 more agents would help them.
That bill would have allowed us to increase seizures of fentanyl.
Ask any...
Community in America that has been devastated by fentanyl, what passing that bill would have done to address their concern and a pain that they've experienced?
unidentified
So you would push that legislation again?
kamala harris
Not only push it, I will make sure that it comes to my desk and I would sign it.
unidentified
Just one other question about something that you said in 2019 when you first ran.
There was a debate.
You raised your hand when asked whether or not the border should be decriminalized.
kamala harris
Do you still believe that?
I believe there should be consequence.
We have laws that have to be followed and enforced that address and deal with people who cross our border illegally, and there should be consequence.
And let's be clear, in this race, I'm the only person who has prosecuted transnational criminal organizations who are trafficking guns, drugs, and human beings.
I'm the only person in this race who actually served.
A border state as attorney general to enforce our laws, and I would enforce our laws as president going forward.
I recognize the problem.
unidentified
Generally speaking, how should voters look at some of the changes that you've made, that you've explained some of here, in your policy?
Is it because you have more experience now and you've learned more about the information?
Is it because you were running for president in a Democratic primary?
And should they feel comfortable and confident that what you're saying now is going to be your policy moving forward?
kamala harris
Dana, I think the most important and most significant aspect of my policy perspective and decisions is my values have not changed.
You mentioned the Green New Deal.
I have always believed, and I have worked on it, that the climate crisis is real, that it is an urgent matter.
To which we should apply metrics that include holding ourselves to deadlines around time.
We did that with the Inflation Reduction Act.
We have set goals for the United States of America and, by extension, the globe around when we should meet.
Certain standards for reduction of greenhouse gas emissions, as an example.
That value has not changed.
My value around what we need to do to secure our border, that value has not changed.
I spent two terms as the Attorney General of California prosecuting transnational criminal organizations, violations of American laws regarding the illegal passage of guns, drugs, and human beings across our border.
My values have not changed.
That is the reality of it.
And four years of being vice president, I'll tell you, one of the aspects to your point is traveling the country extensively.
I mean, I'm here in Georgia.
I think somebody told me 17 times since I've been vice president in Georgia alone.
I believe it is important to build consensus.
And it is important to find a common place of understanding of where we can actually solve problems.
unidentified
On that note, you had a lot of Republican speakers.
At the convention, will you appoint a Republican to your cabinet?
kamala harris
Yes, I would.
unidentified
Anyone in mind?
kamala harris
No one in particular in mind.
I got 68 days to go with this election, so I'm not putting the cart before the horse, but I would.
I think it's really important.
I have spent my career inviting diversity of opinion.
I think it's important to have people at the table when some of the most important decisions are being made that have different views, different experiences.
And I think it would be to the benefit of the American public to have a member of my cabinet who was a Republican.
unidentified
That was just the start of our wide-ranging conversation, and we have some never-before-shared details about the phone call that changed everything between President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris.
I'm just curious, staying on President Biden.
When he called you and said he was pulling out of the race, what was that like?
And did he offer to endorse you right away, or did you ask for it?
kamala harris
It was a Sunday, so here, I'll give you a little too much information.
Go for it.
unidentified
There's no such thing, Madam Vice President.
And her running mate.
I asked him about some of the controversies that have sprung up since Harris put him on the ticket.
Governor Balls.
The country is just starting to get to know you.
I want to ask you a question about how you described your service in the National Guard.
You said that you carried weapons in war, but you have never deployed, actually, in a war zone.
A campaign official said that you misspoke.
Did you?
benny johnson
Oh, boys!
Okay, all right.
It's an ad for CNN.
So, we're going to let her rip here.
During the ad, and know that we'll, of course, cut right back.
We have our best, the best producer team that the internet can possibly buy on hand.
We won't miss another second of what is a nightmare interview.
What is going on?
CNN actually called out Camilla?
They called out Queen?
They called out Kami Kamala?
This is crazy!
This is crazy!
Okay, here we go.
We're going to lock and load here on some of the more fascinating and unbelievable moments from this interview.
Again, we are live right now.
It's just a commercial break.
So stick with us.
We'll jump right back to this on-camera absolute tire fire that's happening with Kamala Harris.
First off, she looks rough.
Kamala, she looks like she's aged like 10 years since the DNC.
Not really a great look.
Also not a great look.
Asking what she would do on day one since she's already technically the president.
Kamala, you're a president, right?
You know you're in power now, right?
So you're complaining about things now.
You're in power, right?
So like, what would you say you do here?
Today, Junior.
Here's what Kamala had to say.
Not a great look.
Listen.
unidentified
If you are elected, what would you do on day one in the White House?
kamala harris
Well, there are a number of things.
I will tell you, first and foremost, one of my highest priorities is to do what we can to support and strengthen the middle class.
When I look at the aspirations, the goals, the ambitions of the American people, I think that people are ready for a new way forward.
benny johnson
Hold on.
See, I can pause it now.
We're not live back yet.
Again, trust me.
It's just commercials rolling on CNN.
We will cut right back as soon as they're live.
A new way forward.
unidentified
You are in charge!
benny johnson
You're in power right now.
Your party's had power for 16, 12 of the last 16 years.
You've technically had, like, supermajorities in the House, Senate, White House.
Barack Obama has run a shadow government even while Donald Trump was in it.
You were running everything!
America's ready for a new way forward.
She hasn't cackled once.
This is interesting.
Also, look at her.
Woof!
Buzz, your girlfriend.
What's going on?
Oh, no.
unidentified
Yikes.
benny johnson
Droopy dog over here.
America's ready for a new way forward.
You're the...
Wait, you are the one who's charting the path right now.
Lady, Magellan.
Hello, you're steering the ship.
kamala harris
In a way that generations of Americans have been fueled by hope and by optimism.
I think sadly, in the last decade.
We have had in the former president someone who has really been pushing an agenda and an environment that is about diminishing the character and the strength of who we are as Americans.
benny johnson
She goes right to Trump.
She's asked, what are you going to do since you're technically in power?
You're saying the nation's in shambles.
We agree.
What are you going to do about it?
You're the reason it's in shambles.
So how are you going to change anything?
Aren't you the problem?
And she goes, Here we go.
Back to CNN.
unidentified
And our exclusive interview with Vice President Kamala Harris and Minnesota Governor Tim Walz.
In just 12 days, Harris will meet Donald Trump on a debate stage in Philadelphia.
And when I say meet, I mean literally meet.
Can't wait for that.
But you believe they have never talked face to face.
The only time they've even been in the same room was when Harris was a senator watching Trump's State of the Union address.
Now it's Trump watching Harris on the campaign trail with money and momentum behind her and making her case directly to voters.
As voters are getting to know Kamala Harris, they want answers on how she will make their lives better.
She heard that here at Sandfly Barbecue in Savannah.
What we're going to do to increase access to capital for small businesses, I'll be rolling out next week.
kamala harris
Part of what we're going to be doing in terms of a tax credit.
unidentified
On the trail, she talks about her experience, years in the courtroom as a district attorney and eventually California's attorney general.
She wants to reframe the contest as the prosecutor versus the felon.
I know Donald Trump's type.
kamala harris
I've been dealing with...
benny johnson
Fake-ass accent.
unidentified
The former president is turning to a well-defined playbook of personal attacks.
donald j trump
I didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black and now she wants to be known as black.
unidentified
And in just 12 days, the nominees will meet face-to-face for the first time.
donald j trump
She's not a good debater.
She's not a smart person.
She doesn't want to debate.
unidentified
If you got something to say, say it to my face.
I want to ask you about your opponent, Donald Trump.
I was a little bit surprised.
People might be surprised to hear that you have never interacted with him, met him face to face.
That's going to change soon.
But what I want to ask you about is what he said last month.
He suggested that you happened to turn black recently for political purposes, questioning a core part of your identity.
kamala harris
Any same old tired playbook?
Next question, please.
That's it?
benny johnson
No, there's the first cackle!
unidentified
First cackle!
Let's talk about some foreign policy issues that would be on your plate if you become commander-in-chief.
President Biden has tried unsuccessfully to end the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza.
He's been doing it for months and months, along with you.
Would you do anything differently?
For example, would you withhold some U.S. weapons shipments to Israel?
That's what a lot of people on the progressive left want you to do.
kamala harris
Let me be very clear.
I'm unequivocal and unwavering in my commitment to Israel's defense and its ability to defend itself.
And that's not going to change.
But let's take a step back.
October 7, 1,200 people were massacred.
Many young people who were simply attending a music festival.
Women were horribly raped.
As I said then, I say today, Israel has a right to defend itself.
We would.
And how it does so matters.
Far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed.
And we have got to get a deal done.
We were in Doha.
We have to get a deal done.
This war must end.
And we must get a deal that is about getting the hostages out.
I've met with the families of the American hostages.
Let's get the hostages out.
Let's get the ceasefire done.
unidentified
But no change in policy in terms of arms and so forth?
kamala harris
No, we have to get a deal done.
Dana, we have to get a deal done.
When you look at the significance of this to the families, to the people who are living in that region, A deal is not only the right thing to do to end this war, but will unlock so much of what must happen next.
I remain committed, since I've been on October 8, to what we must do to work toward a two-state solution, where Israel is secure, and in equal measure, the Palestinians have security and self-determination and dignity.
unidentified
Governor Walz.
The country is just starting to get to know you.
I want to ask you a question about how you've described your service in the National Guard.
You said that you carried weapons in war, but you have never deployed, actually, in a war zone.
A campaign official said that you misspoke.
Did you?
Well, first of all, I'm incredibly proud.
I've done 24 years of wearing the uniform of this country.
Equally proud of my service in a public school classroom, whether it's Congress or the governor.
My record speaks for itself, but I think people are coming to get to know me.
I speak like they do.
I speak candidly.
I wear my emotions on my sleeves.
And I speak especially passionately about our children being shot in schools and around guns.
So I think people know me.
They know who I am.
They know where my heart is.
And again, my record has been out there for over 40 years, to speak for itself.
benny johnson
You didn't answer the question!
unidentified
The idea that you said that you were in war.
Did you misspeak, as the campaign has said?
Yeah, I said we were talking about, in this case, this was after a school shooting, the ideas of carrying these weapons of war.
And my wife, the English, she told my grammar, is not always correct.
But again, if it's not this, it's an attack on my children for showing love for me, or it's an attack on my dog.
I'm not going to do that.
And the one thing I'll never do is I'll never demean another member's service in any way.
I never have.
And I never will.
Just one other question, because again, this is all new.
This was not however many days ago.
This was not on either of your bingo cards, especially yours.
You had to clarify that you had said that you and your wife used IVF, but it turned out you used a different kind of fertility in order to have children.
And then when you ran for Congress in 2006, your campaign repeatedly made false statements about a 1995 arrest for drunk and reckless driving.
Jeez!
What do you say to voters who aren't sure whether they can take you at your word?
I've been very public.
I think they can see my students come out, former folks I've served with, and they vouch for me.
I certainly own my mistakes when I make them.
The one thing I'll tell you is...
I wished in this country we wouldn't have to do this.
I spoke about our infertility issues because it's hell, and families know this.
And I spoke about the treatments that were available to us that had those beautiful children there.
That's quite a contrast in folks that are trying to take those rights away from us.
And so I think people know who I am.
They know that record.
They've seen that.
I've taught thousands of students.
I've been out there.
I won't apologize for peaking passionately, whether it's guns in schools or protecting of reproductive rights.
The contrast could not be clear between what we're running against the vice president's position on this has been clear.
And I think most Americans get it if you've been through that.
I don't think they're cutting hairs on IVF or IUI.
I think what they're cutting hairs on is an abortion ban and the ability to be able to deny families the chance to have a beautiful child.
Up next, the moment that changed everything when Kamala Harris got a phone call from President Biden that he was dropping out of the race.
kamala harris
It was a Sunday, so here, I'll give you a little too much information.
unidentified
Go for it.
There's no such thing.
kamala harris
Madam Vice President.
My family was staying with us, including my baby nieces.
unidentified
Speaking of those baby nieces, the vice president also opens up about a viral picture from the convention that meant so much to so many.
And Tim Walls talks about that convention moment with his son that brought many viewers to tears.
You were speaking, the camera caught him, so incredibly proud of you, so emotional, saying, that's my dad.
Yeah, I, uh...
I don't know as a father I could have ever imagined that.
benny johnson
Okay.
Here's another...
It's amazing how much...
They need to...
They are padding this interview.
Can you believe...
They have to run like an ad for Kamala Harris before every single segment and do all these big cutaways from the campaign and all these blocks.
Now we're in another commercial break.
This is a commercial, again, a commercial break.
We will be live, once again, on CNN.
We're live right now, unlike Kamala Harris, who didn't have the stones, the guts, to actually do this live.
The iron in your spine to actually do this interview live, and now we know why.
Now we know why.
This is a nightmare.
Okay.
So, salty, then the sweet, alright?
Really quick.
The salty is that...
CNN is running, like, a Kamala ad, effectively.
Like, every one of these packages, that they call them, that they run before they do the interview.
It's, like, so doughy and gooey about Kamala Harris.
But then, they get to the actual questions.
And Dana, or Donna, isn't it amazing how they're so upset about the way you say Camilla's name?
And then she calls Dana Bash the wrong name?
Apparently it's Donna Bash?
Dina Bash?
I don't know.
Who the hell cares?
Call me whatever you want.
Don't check my mentions.
People call me a lot of naughty names.
Don't care, right?
Don't care!
Don't look up my initials, right?
Okay, so here we go.
Breaking, I've gotten the full, a hold of the full Kamala Harris interview, J.D. Vance.
J.D. Vance, okay.
I mean, we've already played you the clip, but like J.D. was right here, right?
This is the dumb answer in Miss America pageant that was so famous.
This is made of Babylon Beat.
Tim Wallace spends entire CNN interview making balloon animals to distract attention from Kamala Harris saying this.
I'm in favor of banning fracking.
Says Kamala Harris on the debate stage in 2020.
She said it.
Here we go.
This is a better fact check than you'll get at any of these corporate media companies.
Here's the clip.
Kamala Harris saying, I am in favor of banning fracking.
kamala harris
Question, I'm in favor of banning fracking.
So, yeah.
And starting.
And starting with what we can do on day one around public lands, right?
And then there has to be legislation.
But yes, and this is something I've taken on in California.
I have a history of working on this issue.
And to your point, we have to just acknowledge that the residual impact of fracking is enormous in terms of the impact on the health and safety of community.
benny johnson
I'm in favor of banning fracking.
First segment is totally epic, says Trump campaign Tim Murtaugh.
Pennsylvania is looking at her like she's crazy.
She said in 2019 that she wanted to ban fracking.
Now she claims that she doesn't want to ban fracking and says her position hasn't changed.
This is...
You're done, man.
You're toast.
You're cooked.
Donald's cooked.
Trump's going to destroy this lady.
He's going to destroy this lady.
You're going to have to upload this, okay, with like a put in your birth date, all right, to make sure you're over the age of 18. To watch...
What is going to happen on stage when Donald Trump and Kamala Harris meet?
Man, that fracking answer was painful.
Kamala Harris, I never said I wanted to ban fracking.
2019, she literally says she wants to ban fracking.
It's like video doesn't exist.
Here's Vivek saying, in 2019, Kamala Harris said she absolutely would ban fracking.
At present, she says she won't ban fracking.
Tonight on CNN, she says her position hasn't changed.
At least one of those three statements has to be false.
It has to be a lie.
This is just logic.
Partisan point.
Okay, here we go, ladies and gentlemen.
unidentified
Come back, live from Savannah, Georgia, and our exclusive interview with the Democratic presidential and vice presidential nominees, Vice President Kamala Harris and Minnesota Governor Tim Walz.
It's hard to believe it was just 39 days ago President Biden shocked the world via tweet.
That's how we found out he was dropping his reelection bid.
But before he tweeted the news, Biden called his vice president.
And for the first time, we are hearing about that phone call and exactly what Kamala Harris was doing when she answered.
But we started this discussion with the moment that set all of this in motion, CNN's presidential debate, and whether President Biden was strong enough to lead this nation again.
Vice President Harris, you were a very staunch defender of President Biden's capacity to serve.
Another four years right after the debate, you insisted that President Biden is extraordinarily strong.
Given where we are now, do you have any regrets about what you told the American people?
kamala harris
No, not at all.
Not at all.
I have served with President Biden for almost four years now, and I'll tell you, it's one of the greatest honors of my career.
Truly.
He cares so deeply about the American people.
He is so smart and loyal to the American people.
And I have spent hours upon hours with him, be it in the Oval Office or the Situation Room.
He has the intelligence, the commitment and the judgment and disposition that I think the American people rightly deserve in their president.
By contrast, the former president has none of that.
And so, one, I am so proud to have served as vice president to Joe Biden.
And two, I am so proud to be running with Tim Walz for president of the United States and to...
Bring America what I believe the American people deserve, which is a new way forward, and turn the page on the last decade of what I believe has been contrary to where the spirit of our country really lies.
unidentified
But the last decade, of course, the last three and a half years, has been part of your administration.
kamala harris
I'm talking about an era that started about a decade ago where there is some suggestion.
Warped, I believe it to be.
That the measure of the strength of a leader is based on who you beat down.
Instead of where I believe most Americans are, which is to believe that the true measure of the strength of a leader is based on who you lift up.
That's what's at stake as much as any other detail that we could discuss in this election.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
benny johnson
I didn't know my mic was on.
unidentified
We haven't had a chance to talk.
I'm just curious, staying on President Biden.
When he called you and said he was pulling out of the race, what was that like?
And did he offer to endorse you right away, or did you ask for it?
kamala harris
It was a Sunday, so here, I'll give you a little too much information.
unidentified
Go for it.
There's no such thing, Madam Vice President.
kamala harris
My family was staying with us, including my baby nieces, and we had just had pancakes and You know, Auntie, can I have more bacon?
Yes, I'll make you more bacon.
And then we were sitting down to do a puzzle.
And the phone rang, and it was Joe Biden.
And he told me what he had decided to do.
And I asked him, are you sure?
And he said yes.
And that's how I learned about it.
unidentified
And what about the endorsement?
Did you ask for it?
kamala harris
He was very clear that he was going to support me.
unidentified
So when he called to tell you, he said, I'm pulling out of the race and I'm going to support you.
kamala harris
Well, my first thought was not about me, to be honest with you.
My first thought was about him.
To be honest.
I think history is going to show a number of things about Joe Biden's presidency.
I think history is going to show...
That in so many ways it was transformative, be it on...
What we have accomplished around finally investing in America's infrastructure, investing in new economies, in new industries, what we have done to bring our allies back together and have confidence in who we are as America and grow that alliance, what we have done to stand true to our principles, including one of the most important international rules and norms, which is the importance of sovereignty and territorial integrity.
And I think history is going to show not only has Joe Biden led an administration that has achieved those extraordinary successes, but the character of the man is one that he has been in his life and career, including as a president, quite selfless and puts the American people first.
benny johnson
Oh, this is so bad.
unidentified
The passionate defense of the man who chose her to be his running mate four years ago.
Four years later, Harris made a choice of her own.
And with Governor Walz's rise to national prominence, a star was born at the convention, Gus Walz.
We'll hear about that moment between father and son and the woman who could make history in the Oval Office on this iconic photo.
Madam Vice President, the photograph that has gone viral.
You were speaking, one of your grandnieces that you were just talking about was watching you accept the nomination.
You didn't explicitly talk about gender or race in your speech, but it obviously means a lot to a lot of people and that viral picture really says it.
What does it mean to you?
benny johnson
Ladies and gentlemen, this interview, this interview, specifically, Her questioning of Tim Walls.
I gotta tell you, specifically her questioning of Tim Walls, okay?
It is painful.
Almost more painful at my attempts to grow facial hair.
It is painful.
It was hard to watch.
I would say, nay I say, nay I say, that this is the most painful part of the interview so far.
Kamala Harris hasn't said a single thing.
All she said is, oh man, man.
Then she turns her fire to Tim Walz.
This is probably the closest Tim Walz has ever gotten to getting fired at in combat.
Then taking these questions from CNN.
This is so painful.
Again, we will go live, directly live to the interview when it comes back on.
But here's Tim Walz.
I mean, I haven't seen anything as so abusive as this clip of like CNN's questioning of Tim Walz.
Since I watched Tim Walz wandering the stables at the Kentucky Derby.
This is absolutely painful.
Watch, watch this.
unidentified
Ask you a question about how you've described your service in the National Guard.
You said that you carried weapons in war, but you have never deployed actually in a war zone.
A campaign official said that you misspoke.
Did you?
Well, first of all, I'm incredibly proud.
I've done 24 years of wearing the uniform of this country.
Equally proud of my service in a public school classroom, whether it's Congress or the governor.
My record speaks for itself, but I think people are coming to get to know me.
I speak like they do.
benny johnson
Dude, you're...
Man, these people...
Ooh, it's like so...
It's so bad.
It's so evil because they're not...
Not only are they not answering the question, they're just saying, I'm going to just say something else, something entirely differently.
Now, a real journalist would be like...
And I think Dana, Donna, Bash, whatever, has actually done a really good job here.
And this line of questioning was incredible.
But you need to say, you haven't answered the question.
I didn't ask you about people like that.
I speak like they do.
That's not the question.
That's not the question.
The question is, bro, you lied like hundreds, thousands of times.
You've lied about your record.
And people call that stolen valor because it is.
What say, you scum?
unidentified
I speak candidly.
I wear my emotions on my sleeves.
And I speak especially passionately about our children being shot in schools and around guns.
It's not the question.
benny johnson
The question was not about school shootings.
unidentified
People know me.
They know who I am.
They know where my heart is.
And again, my record has been out there for over 40 years, to speak for itself.
The idea that you said that you were in war.
Did you misspeak as the campaign has said?
Yeah, I said we were talking about, in this case, this was after a school shooting, the ideas of carrying these weapons of war.
And my wife, the English, she's telling my grammar, it's not always correct.
But again, if it's not this, it's an attack on my children.
benny johnson
Look at this.
I'm the victim.
I'm the victim.
So I steal your valor.
I take the valor of men who actually had the stones in their shorts to go to war.
I ditched them.
I left them.
I was their leader, and I abandoned them.
And then I say, you know what?
If it's not this, it's something else.
I'm the victim here.
I'm the victim.
Again, this is probably the closest to enemy fire that Tim Walz has ever come.
Wow.
unidentified
Thank you for showing love for me or it's an attack on my dog.
I'm not going to do that.
And the one thing I'll never do is I'll never demean another member's story.
benny johnson
Ladies and gentlemen, I think we are back.
unidentified
We're back live from Savannah, Georgia, and our CNN-exclusive interview with Vice President Kamala Harris and her running mate, who was supposed to be, if you listened to some experts, a big name, a prominent leader from a swing state, Pennsylvania or Arizona.
But it is a little-known guy outside of his home state, where Minnesota nice is a source of pride.
But behind all of that folksy humor and flannel, Tim Walls is far from just being Mr. Nice Guy when it comes to needling.
Governor, you obviously have spoken to voters all over your state for years.
What are you learning in a place like Georgia?
We're seeing an explosion in small business growth.
The one thing is his workforce and childcare, because workers have to have childcare.
Campaigning with Tim Walls.
Finding his role in this historic campaign.
Would you be my running mate and let's get this thing on the road?
I would be honored by a vice president.
After bursting onto the national stage with this word.
These guys are just weird.
Known as a folksy father of two from rural America, now a running mate who is not holding back.
Listen to the guy.
He's talking about Hannibal Lecter and shocking sharks and just whatever crazy thing pops into his mind.
And finding his own rhythm with his new boss.
What'd you order?
kamala harris
Brisket and greens and mac and cheese.
unidentified
What about you?
I had the brisket and coleslaw on this.
And what about the spice situation, the Tabasco?
What's happening with that?
kamala harris
I'm gonna live in street groups now.
unidentified
The vice president's growing peppers at her residence, so she's trying to, like, bring me along on this.
You know, Minnesotans, uh...
kamala harris
It's okay.
unidentified
I'm good.
benny johnson
Oh, God, it's so awkward.
unidentified
I just have to ask you both about two standout moments.
Aside, of course.
From the addresses that you both gave, but standout moments that were perhaps unexpected during the convention.
You mentioned one of them, Governor.
A moment that you shared, that the world shared with your son, Gus.
You were speaking, the camera caught him, so incredibly proud of you, so emotional, saying, that's my dad.
Yeah, I don't know as a father I could have ever imagined that.
I'm grateful for so many reasons to be on this ticket, but that moment, to understand what was really important, to have my son feel a sense of pride in me that I was trying to do the right thing.
And it was, you know, you try and protect your kids, you know, it brings notoriety and things, but it was just such a visceral, emotional moment that I'm just, I'm grateful I got to experience it, and I'm so proud of him.
I'm proud of him.
I'm proud of Hope.
I'm proud of Gwen.
She's a wonderful mother, and these are great kids.
And I think the one thing he's talking about, the era we're in, is our politics can be better.
It can be different.
We can show some of these things, and we can have families involved in this.
And I hope that there was a...
I hope people felt that out there, and I hope they hug their kids a little tighter, because you just never know.
And life can be kind of hard.
And last question, Madam Vice President, the photograph that has gone viral.
You were speaking.
One of your grandnieces that you were just talking about was watching you accept the nomination.
You didn't explicitly talk about gender or race in your speech, but it obviously means a lot to a lot of people, and that viral picture really says it.
What does it mean to you?
kamala harris
You know, listen, I am running because I believe that I am the best person to do this job at this moment for all Americans.
Regardless of race and gender.
But I did see that photograph, and I was deeply touched by it.
And you're right, it's the back of her head, her two little braids, and then I'm in the front of the photograph, obviously speaking.
benny johnson
What are you talking about?
kamala harris
It's very humbling.
It's very humbling in many ways.
unidentified
Did she talk to you about it afterwards?
kamala harris
Oh, she had a lot to talk about.
She had a lot to talk about.
unidentified
This is it?
benny johnson
This is an interview?
kamala harris
And she listens to everything.
unidentified
Give you your hot cakes?
kamala harris
Oh yeah, definitely.
unidentified
Madam Vice President, Governor Walz, thank you so much for your time.
Appreciate it.
Thanks for having us.
kamala harris
Thank you, Dana.
Thank you.
unidentified
This was Vice President Harris's first real unscripted setting where voters could see and hear her explain some of her policy positions now and how they differ from before she became vice president and why.
And this was the first we heard those details about an extraordinary phone call from a president dropping out of the race and endorsing his vice president, something that will certainly go down in history.
CNN has also invited both President Trump and Senator J.D. Vance to sit down with us, we hope.
We have plenty of CNN special coverage ahead.
I want to go to my friend and colleague, Abby Phillip, who is standing by with some of the best political minds in the business.
kamala harris
Abby?
abby phillip
We have them all here.
Dana, you've given us a lot to chew on.
Our hat's off to you.
Thank you very much.
Step around, though.
We will make sure to come back to you throughout the next hour.
I want to get in the room here to get some initial reactions.
benny johnson
Hold on.
Let me just use on the panel.
Let me see if there's anyone from Trump world on the panel.
abby phillip
Vice President Harris did.
Did she meet the moment?
unidentified
Yeah, I think she did what she needed to do.
What she needed to do was be the same person that people have seen on the stage for the last month and have seen a new sense of confidence.
benny johnson
I want to hear Scott Jennings.
unidentified
Hold on.
benny johnson
Let's hear Scott Jennings.
He's like the Republican on the panel.
unidentified
We didn't see certainly the last time she ran.
She was very connected to her words.
She seemed strong.
She seemed competent.
She seemed like someone who could be president of the United States.
That was the first test.
One thing, because I know we've got a lot of opinions here.
abby phillip
We have time for yours, don't worry.
unidentified
Well, two things then.
I think that she handled the issue of her changes or perceived changes in policy pretty well.
I mean, I think the idea that her values have been the same and have been consistent was a good bridge there.
One thing that I want to note is, we were asking the question earlier, how will she handle the president and will she separate herself from the president?
And there might be some political logic to doing that.
She's turned about turning the page.
Does she want to be a continuation?
That's what the Republicans will want to make her out to be.
I'll give Scott the opportunity to do it in a second.
As she spoke, I thought it showed a certain character, the way she talked about Joe Biden.
She didn't run away from him.
She gave him, I think, his due.
She understands that there's some political risk to that.
That actually was elevating to me in a way that I hadn't expected.
So I think on the whole, this was a good night.
It wasn't a huge...
I don't think she moved the ball that much forward, but she certainly didn't fall back.
abby phillip
The do-no-harm principle of politicking here.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, interviews, they can beat combat.
They can be a conversation.
And what she needed to do was communicate.
And so often in the past, she comes to an interview in a way to be the interrogator.
And people already know she's good at asking sharp, tough questions of people who she feels deserve scrutiny.
benny johnson
Do we know that?
unidentified
It's for being under that scrutiny that has been where the stakes have been higher.
And I think today it did show that she has the ability to sit down and have that back and forth that Republicans are talking about.
Can she really do it?
benny johnson
Go, Scott Jennings.
unidentified
How many more times?
I don't know how much that matters.
And I do get a little nervous that the media were preoccupied with, like, how much access, how many conversations is she going to have in the settings?
benny johnson
Oh, yeah.
You know, reporters are just upset when they can't do their jobs and ask questions.
unidentified
That is actually making a mark in an interesting way reaching out.
benny johnson
There isn't a First Amendment.
abby phillip
But I said you have also spent a couple of times now interviewing her.
What did you make of how she handled it?
I mean, to David's point, a little bit more comfortable now than she.
unidentified
Yeah, I think there's been a consistent story of growth.
She's been in more of these settings.
I think we saw that somewhat.
This is amazing.
I also think to the question about how policy positions have changed.
It's like they're talking about their two-year-old values have been consistent.
benny johnson
Going to gymnastics class and learning how to do a somersault.
unidentified
I think people are ready for a new way forward.
She said that a couple times.
It goes to David's point.
I don't think there's a policy separation that they've created with Biden.
Obviously, she gave a kind of personal...
benny johnson
I want to hear Scott Jennings because he's been going viral.
unidentified
He's clearly trying to position her as a change candidate in the same way that Donald Trump is positioning himself.
As a change candidate.
In some ways, it feels as if that's going to be the crux of what this comes down to in November is whether that is bought by the electorate or not.
abby phillip
And interestingly, there is some polling to suggest that it's a battle right now.
It's actually a live ball.
unidentified
It seems that that's where this might live and die.
But I think it's really interesting because for someone who doesn't want to talk about this, who doesn't want to kind of put that identity forward, it is allowing her to make the case of change without kind of saying those words.
And so I thought that was really in the air.
benny johnson
She's in power.
unidentified
Her party's been in power for the last 16 years.
I think they landed that.
I think they want to present them as a package that is relatable to people, and that is someone you feel familiar, whose story is familiar, whose message is familiar and relatable.
And I think that's something that she's grown in, and we saw that this evening.
abby phillip
Interesting.
Ashley?
ashley allison
So I think I will break this down into three parts.
Values, vision, and her voice.
And I think she made it very clear that she is still committed to her values, to be an American, to be a prosecutor, even though she may have changed on some positions.
She clearly outlined where she had changed.
benny johnson
Oh my gosh.
It's like seven against one.
ashley allison
She attempted to draw the contrast.
benny johnson
This is unwatchable.
ashley allison
Talking about Donald Trump, but still being very clear and not...
benny johnson
She literally lied about fracking.
ashley allison
She lied about the border.
benny johnson
She lied about Joe Biden's health.
ashley allison
In this interview!
We don't need to go down why that is the case, but she was clearly able to draw her vision for how she wants to take the country forward with her opportunity.
CNN's got to go bankrupt after this.
And then her voice.
I think so many Americans want to know who is she and does she have command of her voice?
And she answered every question.
Now, you might not like the way she answered them, but she answered them as a capable...
abby phillip
She answered every question.
ashley allison
I think she moved the ball forward a little bit.
Joe, you answered every question.
But she definitely moved down the field.
abby phillip
All right, Scott.
scott jennings
I agree with Estet about this idea of the question of who's going to change will be the fundamental defining question of the election.
And I was sort of watching this, you know, holistically.
What is she saying?
What does she look like?
What's on the screen?
So at the beginning, when she's talking about Biden and their record, our screen said.
This is called the Chiron, the headline at the bottom.
It said, Harris stands by Biden administration economic record.
She is making it clear that she will embrace and be a continuation of Biden's economic policy, his record, what they've done.
She offered no remorse, no regrets, no introspection about anything they've done.
She continued to blame inflation on this fantasy price gouging idea.
She had no additional thoughts on the economic situation in the country or what they've done.
Beyond just saying, Joe Biden and I have done a great job.
Now, if I were the Trump people, I would be salivating over the idea that that's how they are going to run the race.
I don't believe it's tenable.
I also thought it was interesting that she didn't take any responsibility at the end for telling the American people that Joe Biden was fine and he was strong.
We all know that's not true.
That's why he's out of the race and she's still standing by the idea that he was fine and he's strong and that he's fine today.
Nobody believes that.
unidentified
I just think at some point, why isn't he running?
Because he's too old.
ashley allison
Point blank.
Same reason why Donald Trump probably shouldn't be running, because he's too old and out of touch.
scott jennings
I think most Americans know the truth, and when you're running to be president and you're willing to look them in the face and tell them something they know that you know is not true, it does speak a little bit to your character.
abby phillip
I'm curious what you think about this act.
benny johnson
All right, all right, enough, enough, enough.
Scott Jennings is the one Republican token that they trot on there, and he's been going viral recently by effectively just defending President Trump and Republicans and calling out this absolute ass-clown circus that's happening inside of the Democrat Party.
What a miserable evening.
There's no way, I mean, I'm sorry, but there's no way that you can spin this.
This was really, really, really, really bad for Democrats.
This was a total and complete humiliation.
Is it as humiliating as me attempting to grow facial hair?
I don't know.
I'm not sure.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't think so.
I think that this is potentially more humiliating.
Should I do the mustache?
Should I do it?
Ladies and gentlemen, let me know.
Let's pin a poll up to the top.
Let me know.
Let me know.
You know what?
Trump wins.
I'll grow any amount of facial hair that this audience wants me to grow.
All right?
Pin a poll.
Danny, pin a poll to the top.
Let me know if I should grow a mustache.
Know that you may be destroying a marriage, by the way, by voting for this.
Okay?
Because my wife will most likely leave me if I do grow a mustache.
We're expecting our fourth child.
So, don't break up a family.
But we're pinning a poll to the top of the chat.
Let me know what you think.
It's not about me.
This is about somebody who clearly lived up.
You think my mustache is embarrassing?
You think my beard is embarrassing?
Man, baby.
This night for Kamala Harris is really bad.
And J.D. Vance predicted precisely what would happen with Kamala Harris with this, you know, asinine, embarrassing answer that was given during Miss America pageant way back in the day.
If you're not familiar with this funny clip, the lady just makes no sense.
And her answer rambles incoherently into the abyss.
unidentified
...have shown a fifth of Americans can't locate the U.S. on a world map.
Why do you think this is?
I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because some people out there in our nation don't have maps, and I believe that our education, like, such as in South Africa and the Iraq...
benny johnson
Okay, Jerry, please, like, face swap that.
Put Kamala Harris on that person's face.
JD Vance saying, I've gotten a hold of the full Kamala Harris interview.
Man, he was right.
He was right.
Kamala Harris, just absolute and total humiliation here.
We've covered the fracking thing.
She lied about fracking, all right?
Tim Waltz got, like, destroyed for his multiple lie.
I mean, like, I can't believe how hard Dana Bash actually went in on this.
Maybe it's because...
Kamala Harris misnamed her.
Called her Dana.
Dana?
Dana?
I'm not sure.
I don't know.
Kamala Harris had to correct herself.
Kamala Harris seemed...
That's the right way to say this.
Unsteady.
I'm not sure if she was blackout drunk or not.
I don't know.
I'm not sure if she's hitting the old sauce.
They were in like a bar or restaurant or something.
So lock the liquor cabinet, swallow the key when Kamala Harris is around.
But Kamala Harris...
What's the right way to say this?
You ever known somebody who's deeply uncomfortable in their own skin, has no self-confidence?
Maybe they've gone through a bunch of divorces or something, or they have some terrible personal life.
They know they don't belong where they are, and they're uncomfortable to be around, and they don't know how to talk, and they don't know how to act.
You've been around those people.
They're not in the moment, right?
They're not in the moment, okay?
This was Kamala saying.
You know, she's, like, so uncomfortable.
She can't even respond to, like, there's, like, a photo of her that's obviously been, like, completely and totally, you know, doctored and put together, and, you know, the photographer, they lined everything up in order to get, like, a very specific photo, and they ask Kamala about that at the very end, and she's just like, like, you can't even answer these, like, softball questions.
It's, like, like, really, really humiliating, like, on the border.
Here we go, on the border.
We have this clip.
On the border, Kamala Harris, fantastic.
Kamala Harris is like, okay, so you're the borders are.
Why didn't you close the border?
Why didn't you do anything on the border?
It's a nightmare on the border.
And Kamala Harris says, the reason I didn't do anything on the border is because Donald Trump stopped me from doing things on the border.
I screamed.
I screamed.
I tried my hardest not to talk over people while they're doing the interviews, but I screamed.
Bloody murder at this.
Because what Trump proved is that executive action can close the border.
And that there's nothing that you need to...
You don't need Congress.
You are in charge of the Department of Homeland Security.
It's a national security issue.
With the stroke of a pen...
unidentified
Ding!
Ka-ching!
benny johnson
You can just close it.
Done.
unidentified
See ya.
benny johnson
Sayonara.
It's over.
Donald Trump was able to do that.
The stroke of a pen.
Didn't need Congress.
Didn't need anybody.
Don't need no one.
And Kamala Harris is somehow blaming Trump for them letting in 10, 20, 30 million.
Criminal aliens so they can vote for them and push the margin of errors in their direction in the election?
An insane answer.
Listen to this.
unidentified
One is immigration.
As vice president, you were tasked with addressing the root causes of migration in southern countries.
kamala harris
The northern part of Central America.
unidentified
The northern part of Central America that deals with, that affects the southern border of the U.S. During the Biden-Harris administration.
There were record numbers of illegal border crossings.
Why did the Biden-Harris administration wait three and a half years to implement sweeping asylum restrictions?
kamala harris
Well, first of all, the root causes work that I did as vice president that I was asked to do by the president has actually resulted in a number of benefits, including...
benny johnson
Okay, I'm going to repeat this back to you.
I'm sorry, I'm not going to stop this clip every two seconds.
None of us have, like, till midnight to watch me ramble and scream at the camera, but here we go.
Okay.
She's asked this question, why the empirical data shows that you have let in tens of millions of criminal aliens, a ton of them are ISIS members, right?
People want to kill us and do horrible harm to our country.
So why should anybody trust you?
Because you are the border zone.
And Kamala Harris's first response is this.
kamala harris
President that I was asked to do by the president that I did as vice president that I was asked to do by the president has actually resulted in a number of benefits, including...
benny johnson
A number of benefits.
Huh?
Again, this is what I mean.
She's not in the moment.
She's not talking.
She's not with us, right?
She's a deeply uncomfortable and deeply insecure individual.
She's not taking that out of her.
kamala harris
Historic investments by American businesses in that region.
The number of immigrants coming from that region has actually reduced since we began that work.
But I will say this, that Joe Biden and I and our administration worked with members of the United States Congress on an immigration issue that is very significant to the American people and to our security, which is the border.
And through bipartisan work, including some of the most conservative members of the United States Congress, a bill was crafted, which we supported, which I support.
And Donald Trump got word of this bill that would have contributed to securing our border.
And because he believes that it would not have helped him politically.
benny johnson
Donald Trump's going to destroy this person in a debate.
Donald Trump's going to destroy this person.
President Trump on Truth Social.
Saying this.
Exactly.
Here's President Trump on True Social.
I look forward to debating comrade Kamala.
Call her commie Kamala, please.
And exposing her for the fraud that she is.
Harris changed every one of her long-held positions on everything.
America will never allow an election weaponizing Marxists to be president of the United States, says Donald Trump.
By the way, let's do a vibe check.
For Donald Trump and Camilla.
So here's Donald Trump tonight.
This is Donald Trump in Wisconsin, my producers tell me tonight.
Check out this crowd.
unidentified
USA!
We love our country home.
Good crap.
benny johnson
Boy.
Boy, you are cooking.
You're cooking.
Meanwhile, Kamala Harris had to bus in people.
Now, we mentioned this earlier, and then CNN went live, so we didn't have time to talk about it, but here we go.
CNN caught Kamala Harris.
I'm sorry, a local news station caught Kamala Harris bussing people in, in charter buses, all around Georgia today.
So here's what they do.
They go into factories.
They go into unionized places.
They go into government, like with government workers.
And they say, you have the day off if you go to a Kamala rally.
We'll provide you a ticket and a free cigarette and a fried chicken sandwich and a pat on the head.
If you go there, you're from Georgia.
You like Chick-fil-A?
That's where Chick-fil-A is located.
You want a spicy chicken sandwich?
Here we go.
Get on the bus, right?
This is what happens.
To get to Kamala's events.
It was caught on tape today in local news.
unidentified
Catch this.
It's been since 1992 since a presidential candidate came to Savannah, which was Bill Clinton in the hostess city.
Now, at the end market arena itself, lines stretched around the venue, as I was just telling you, and people started getting here as early as early this morning for the vice president.
But for those a little further away from the hostess city, shuttles to the rally contained a lot of excitement.
I was in Atlanta, and I heard that the vice president was going to be in Savannah, so I decided to just kind of be lying over here and check it out.
benny johnson
I was in Atlanta, which is a long ways away from Savannah, and I got into one of these unmarked buses that just recently left, just recently done taking criminal aliens from the border to Chicago or New York, and I got in one.
And guess where it took me?
A Kamala communist rally.
Ooh, baby.
Man, they are cooking.
It's going to be really wild to see what happens at the debate.
The debate will not be long.
I think it's 12 days away.
Harris stands by Biden administration economic record.
Look at that.
Harris stands by Biden administration economic record.
The root causes that I did as vice president.
That I've been asked to do as president actually resulted in a number of benefits.
This is not a live interview.
Why is CNN saying it's live?
Yeah, it's been an interesting commentary.
I gotta tell you, I don't know, man.
I don't know how you keep this up.
I don't know how you keep this up for as long as they're gonna have to.
I mean, even like 60 days.
Seems a little harsh for this.
Uh, apparently people in the, uh, in the Trump war room are giddy with how this has all gone and are really, really excited.
Uh, the entire, my entire social media feed is melting down, uh, over this.
It's Kamala trying on flip-flops.
Grand old me.
There you go.
How many, how many flip-flops you got for Kamala?
Uh, the interview went really, really poorly.
Sorry.
It just did.
Chris Eliza, like, like.
Dude who's worked for every corporate media outlet there is.
Kamala Harris, answer.
Is a clear reversal on fracking ban was not good.
Trump campaign headquarters absorbing the heresy in an interview with Glee.
It's better than we hoped.
So much material, says Tim Murtaugh.
Or is it just one long massive con to lower the debate expectations by coming across as a complete idiot?
Tim Walls tries to dodge stolen valor allegations.
That was brutal, dude.
Just brutal.
Bad, bad, bad.
You've been vice president for three and a half years.
Why didn't you do any of this?
We brought down inflation.
Great job!
She's a walking Trump ad, which is what they say.
The fact that she was, this is Michael Seifert, one of our dear friends from Public Square.
Awesome company.
The fact that this was the best 18 minutes of the interview that they could edit together was wild.
No wonder they've been hiding Camilla from the public.
Just incredible.
And I'll tell you, the one that really sent me, the one that really sent me, was, why'd you hide Biden?
Why'd you do that?
How'd you do that?
Joe Biden clearly lost his mind.
How'd you hide him?
How do you justify that?
She had no answer.
Not sure if we have that clip, boys.
Do we have that clip?
Yeah, okay.
How'd you do that?
How do you justify that?
Joining us, ladies and gentlemen, to try and explain what actually happened is two of our excellent producers, Danny Deerbina and Robbie Meyer right now, hopping into the chat.
Boys, I don't know.
Am I wrong?
Like, I guess, you know, I haven't.
It wasn't really a vacation.
It's like, actually, you don't get any sleep when you're traveling with your kids and you have three kids under three and a pregnant wife.
But maybe I'm just tired, right?
Maybe I'm too tired to shave.
Maybe I'm just tired.
And I took all this wrong.
But it seemed truly brutal what just happened with Kamala Harris.
robbie myers
Well, I was wondering if on your vacation you had any bacon and pancakes and puzzle time.
Because, you know, you don't want to share too much information, but that's what Kamala's main point was.
We all know she can afford bacon now.
That's my favorite line of hers tonight.
benny johnson
Brutal.
Yes, unpack that, please.
Is that you, Robbie?
Okay.
All right.
Well, yeah.
danny de urbina
It's Hillary in his house barking again.
benny johnson
Okay, got it.
Yeah, don't tell Tim Walls where your dog is.
He'll do the hot swap.
Nobody knows who Scout really is.
Who is Scout?
robbie myers
No one knows.
But what do you think, Danny?
danny de urbina
I think that went about as poorly as it could have gone for Kamala Harris.
And what was really interesting is for someone who makes such a fuss about how people pronounce her name, she called Dana Bash Donna, Dina, Dina, whatever, like 20 different times.
And I'm like...
There's no way this is real.
She goes as far as calling people racist for mispronouncing her name.
I'm like, I'm not going to make any allegations.
But, I mean, there's a case there for what Kamala Harris was saying to Dana Bash.
Yeah, I think a really good point that really just this interview just drove home is that, you know, there's attack lines out there that Kamala is dangerously liberal.
What it really is is that she's dangerously fake.
And so you can call it a flip-flop.
You can call it whatever it is.
Really, she's lying just to advance her career.
It's how she's gotten here in the first place.
Lying to us about Joe Biden's mental capacity.
Lying to us about every single policy she holds, whether it's fracking or the border.
And I think this interview really showed that she's just a liar.
She's a career liar.
And you put her in office and, man, better pray for this country because I don't think we can recover from that level of deception.
benny johnson
Bro, the thing I can't...
Wrap my head around in any of this.
Is that nobody is going to really push her on the Joe Biden stuff.
That's the biggest political scandal in American history.
What they did to Joe.
And she was in on the entire thing.
She's Lady Macbeth.
And they push her and she's like, I was making pancakes.
And that's it.
And they were saying, on to this and on to that.
Her entire DNC speech.
Was this, you know, foghorn leghorn story of, like, her family and where it came from.
Like, nobody cares about your mom.
Nobody cares!
Like, the entire thing is autobiographical.
People care about, like, what's actually happening.
We live in the real world, not some type of, like, fake MTV crib, like, crib episode about your life and your family, your home life.
And Kamala Harris, like, did the same thing here.
She, like, tried to reduce the most savage and brutal political coup in American history into, like, some clap-happy family story, you know, with Aunt Jemima syrup, except for you can't say Aunt Jemima anymore because it's racist.
robbie myers
It's not that racist, Benny.
They're bringing it back.
That's why we got pancakes and our good friends that, you know...
Oh, what's the name of our guy?
benny johnson
That was really good.
That was really sharp as a tack there.
Okay, why don't you put your dog on?
So, Danny, no, like, I don't know, like, I don't understand why no one's pushing more on this.
And I hope that this is what Trump does in a debate, which I think he will destroy her in a debate after watching this.
This is so embarrassing.
But, like, why isn't Joe Biden running for president?
Like, this was supposed to be Joe Biden here.
I hope that's Donald Trump's opening line.
danny de urbina
I think he absolutely will destroy Kamala Harris, just on that line alone at a debate.
But they asked her about this during the interview, and I've never seen anyone be more giddy about successfully completing a coup against her running mate and mentor than Kamala Harris.
I mean, she looked like Chuckle's a clown up there on TV, cackling about backstabbing her mentor, her running mate, her sitting president.
It's a dark thing.
There's a lot of these focus groups out there where they'll go out and they'll ask average voters, like, what holds you back when you're voting for Kamala Harris?
And they go, well, she lied to us about the sitting president's mental capabilities.
And not only that, but she, I mean, right now she's out there talking about what she would do differently.
It's like, you're in power because we all know at this point Joe Biden's not in charge.
So if you're not in charge, who is?
And that's kind of a scary point at this point.
She doesn't even know what her policies are.
The one time she does get asked about her policies, she doesn't really know because whatever's convenient at the time.
So I think that's the issue with Kamala.
She's just dangerously fake.
Whether it's lying about her ethnicity when she needs to or pretending to be this and that.
I think that's what really makes people think twice about Kamala Harris.
She's just fake.
robbie myers
It was reflected perfectly what you were just saying about Joe exiting, is if we knew he was uncapable, just completely out of his mind for the past three years, when they ask her, what have you done as vice president for three years, and she can't answer in a coherent manner, that's how you know she's lost before she's even started.
And the fact that they're putting her up there, that's why they're running the basement campaign.
She has nothing to run on.
She sits there and wants to say that she's fixing climate change with the American Restoration Act.
She doesn't even know how her policies line up.
She can't give a coherent answer on foreign policy.
And, you know, you look at this past week with the Cabal 13 families sitting there, the Biden administration still won't acknowledge them.
They have lost all faith and respect, the military community, the American people, in a president who is just mentally incapacitated and a vice president who can't even articulate what she's done for three years.
benny johnson
So, I actually am...
Please don't unsubscribe.
I actually am shocked that Donna, Dana, Dina Bash...
robbie myers
Don't misname her.
benny johnson
I'm shocked that she asked tough questions.
She did.
Yo, she, like, actually went there.
She did.
She did.
She went after Tim Walz, stolen valor, multiple lies that he said about IBF, about campaign trail, about swapping out his dog.
Like, everything, like, it's all, like, I can't believe she actually did it.
And she went pretty hard in on Kamala.
I mean, am I going soft?
Like, obviously, there was plenty of fluff, but she actually did go in.
robbie myers
The fluff was the CNN producers who were doing those cutaway segments to stretch out an 18-minute interview over the course of an hour-long program.
I went back and counted it just to make sure I had my numbers right.
They did more than 20 minutes of cutaways and ads for an 18-minute interview to get this thing, this entire programming, to an hour.
So, I mean, were her questions tough, I think you're right on.
Was there a lot of CNN fluff right surrounding every aspect of it?
Absolutely.
danny de urbina
Yeah, I think that was probably one of the most powerful moments of the interview was her attacking, or not attacking, just asking a very fair question to Tim Walz.
Hey, why did you lie about your military career?
Like, why are you lying about your dog, dude?
And then, so he gets asked about his stolen valor, and then he automatically pivots to his dog.
Listen, no one's, like, attacking your dog, dude.
You're lying about your, like, military career, and you have the gall to, like...
Just misrepresent going into combat when there's...
This was two days ago.
We were celebrating the three-year anniversary...
Not celebrating, but honoring the three-year anniversary of Joe Biden's botched with Afghanistan withdrawal.
Kamala was in office for that.
Joe Biden was on vacation, didn't even bother to show up to their memorial service.
Kamala was nowhere to be found.
Tim Walz is here lying about his military career.
When we were just two days ago talking about 13 Americans who lost their lives defending this country in actual war.
And frankly, lost their lives because of a botched Afghanistan withdrawal.
You could squarely blame it on this administration.
And so I think the pivot to the dog thing really bothered me because it's like, seriously, dude, that's where you're going to go with this?
Just the gall to do that while there's like...
Actual American soldiers that are losing their lives.
The contrast there is Trump's endless wars thing, and Kamala's quite the opposite of that.
robbie myers
And the gall of the left to go after Trump for wanting to go visit these families this week when the Biden administration, which Kamala's the vice president for, all these families have ever asked for, and we've had them on the show, Benny, and we're going to have some more on the show tomorrow, all they've ever asked for.
It's just a call from the Biden-Harris administration, and they have not done that.
benny johnson
So Kamala Harris owns it tonight.
She didn't get a single question about Afghanistan, the withdrawal or the deaths, suicidal deaths that the Biden administration pushed forward.
She also didn't get a single question about any of her actual policies.
What she was allowed to do was to endorse what's currently happening in the state.
Bidenomics.
kamala harris
I maintain that when we do the work of bringing down prescription medication for the American people, including capping the cost of the annual cost of prescription medication for seniors at $2,000, when we do what we did in the first year of being in office to extend the child tax credit so that we cut child poverty in America by 50%,
when we do what we have done to invest in the American people and Bringing manufacturing back to the United States so that we created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs.
Bringing business back to America.
What we have done to improve the supply chain so we're not relying on foreign governments to supply American families with their basic needs.
I'll say that that's good work.
benny johnson
Oh, she says it's good work.
Their economy is good work.
Everything they've done.
I counted like 17 different Trump campaign ads out of this interview.
Kamala Harris didn't have to do this interview.
She actually could have just lived on the diabetic type 2 sugar high that the corporate media was building her up into a mythic creature directly out of the Iliad.
And doing this was a mistake.
Doing this was a terrifying mistake and probably one of the largest mistakes I've seen since Joe Biden did the debate.
robbie myers
I can't even begin with what we just heard.
The child tax credit, that was Trump who did that.
And the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.
And that's a J.D. Vance position as well, where he wants to actually increase it.
So, you know, as you're saying, what are they?
She's just literally taking everything that the Trump team has either created or says that they want to make better.
And they're just grabbing onto it.
I mean, like you said, it's a Trump ad almost.
benny johnson
Donald Trump responding, saying boring.
This was President Trump here saying.
This was a single-word response.
Boys, I think that Trump's going to...
I think this is going to be a pretty...
A single follow-up question to any of these answers would have absolutely blown the circuit for Conal Harris and Tim Wall.
All you need to do is a simple follow-up.
Hey, Tim, here's a list.
Here we go.
I got a list for you.
Here's a list of...
150 different times that you call yourself a command sergeant major, knowing full damn effing well that you're not a command sergeant major.
Now, 150 times is not a simple mistake.
So, why did you do that?
Why did you lie?
Like, that's all you need to do.
That's a simple thing.
There's no getting around that.
You can't get around that.
And I pray JD does that.
I just think that they're doomed.
I think they're doomed.
People are going to see this and they're going to be horrified, actually.
And Kamala Harris has lived, again, on this little bubble, this teeny little totally fabricated bubble of media hype that exists only if she doesn't answer questions and say anything.
And then as soon as she starts talking, it all shatters.
danny de urbina
By the way, any self-respecting true journalist would have asked those follow-up questions, which I think is going to be Kamala's major weakness come debate time.
Is Trump actually going to be prepared to push back on these asinine claims that she's making?
And again, it just takes that simple question.
The whole thing was, there was that one Tim Walz question that was slightly pressing.
But the rest of it was all fluff.
They were asking her about, like, oh, Trump accused you of this.
What's your response?
Okay, like, clapping seals.
Like, let's applaud for that.
And the weird thing is, like, they installed Kamala's emotional support VP beside her, and he was actually probably more of a liability than an asset when you're looking at this interview.
I mean, the guy was, I don't know what, he was fiddling with bathroom products underneath the table or something, but he was totally out of it.
And when they asked him any questions, like, it just backfired.
benny johnson
Dude, claiming that you falsely claimed that you went to war on multiple occasions, saying that's a grammar mistake, do you realize you make that so much worse?
You know, you're given a lot of opportunities.
Like, people have the capacity for forgiveness in this country.
It's a Christian nation.
So you're given the opportunity to just say, like, I totally lied, and that's wrong.
And instead he called it a grammar mistake.
Bro.
Like, that's not going to make this go away.
Yeah, not going to make this go away.
This was very, very bad.
Okay, so let's end here with the commentary from Tim Murtaugh, who was our guest tonight.
After this interview, Harris is not going to want to do this again for a very long time.
Kamala Harris, this is the Kamala Harris that the American emphatically rejected the last time she ran for president.
It's not good.
Boys, what do you think about coming up here in just a matter of days?
Really, you can count down the hours, the Trump debate.
I think that Donald Trump is going to have an opportunity to actually perform a true interview of Kamala Harris.
And it's going to need an NC-17 rating, I think.
robbie myers
I think it'll be career-ending.
I think Trump's going to have to just sit back and let Kamala be Kamala.
Let her bury herself with her word salad.
He's just got to go in for the zingers, go in for the kill, and then just let her just sort of try to crawl her way back.
And I think it's going to be fun to watch.
danny de urbina
Yeah, I think Trump's really going to have the opportunity here.
benny johnson
She'll be in the doghouse.
danny de urbina
Trump's really going to have the opportunity here to, like, embody that, like, the Grim Reaper meme where it just goes door and door and just literally just...
And two Democratic general election campaigns in one cycle, which I think would make presidential history.
So I think this debate is going to be the second go at his absolute clobbering of Joe Biden's campaign.
And I think in a few days we're going to see that play out.
I mean, it's very simple once you hit her on her disastrous record and the fact that she's dangerously fake.
I mean, you hit her on those two points and I think it's her whole facade.
Her being brat pretty quickly falls apart.
benny johnson
Talk about brat.
Here's Donald Trump.
Donald Trump dancing offstage, working a rope line, signing MAGA hats.
This energy in Wisconsin, right?
Where in Wisconsin is this?
robbie myers
La Crosse.
benny johnson
Okay.
President Trump with a massive crowd.
We played you the clip.
unidentified
The contrast couldn't...
benny johnson
Frankly...
Be more harsh.
Or more profound.
Tulsi Gabbard also signing some MAGA hats.
Treated like a conquering hero.
We love Tulsi.
Friend of the show.
Uh, ladies and gentlemen, that, uh, that is, uh, that's a tough one.
That's a tough night.
Um, major, major takeaways here is, uh, Trump, Trump's gonna destroy her in the debate.
Major takeaways that like this, this, like that, that.
I think that come election night, we're going to have a result at about 9 p.m., between 9 and 10 p.m.
There's no amount of propaganda that can solve for what's happening here, because the fundamentals are all wrong.
The fundamentals are wrong, and if you need a final...
The final clip is not going to be Kamala here, but the people who are going on TV to professionally defend Kamala Harris can't even do it.
Right now, CNN is melting down.
We brought you CNN all night.
CNN is melting down.
None of their people can, like, defend what's going on.
This was on Fox News earlier.
unidentified
$140 million raised, $82 million in one week.
john roberts
But will you acknowledge that there's no policy page on her website?
And so how do people know what she's doing for?
unidentified
Oh, when did we start caring about policy pages on websites when every single time she steps to the podium, she talks about her policy in such a direct way that voters are responding.
john roberts
Those are the people that are...
What her policy is?
unidentified
Say it one more time?
john roberts
Can you tell me what her border policy is?
unidentified
Oh, she said on day one she would sign the bipartisan border legislation that J.D. Vance and Donald Trump has taken credit for killing or not getting across the...
john roberts
What's her policy on fracking?
unidentified
She's going to introduce that.
john roberts
Her anonymous staffers have said...
unidentified
So her interview tonight should give her the opportunity to share what...
benny johnson
She's got her interview tonight will give her the opportunity.
It's amazing.
danny de urbina
We have to pass it to find out what's in it.
benny johnson
Yes, that's right.
Oh, man.
Oh, boy.
Yeah.
Where do they find these people?
Really, really good.
Try that.
Yeah.
Try that, men, with your wives.
Like, try it.
Yeah.
Hey, honey.
Honey, where'd all the money in our bank account go?
You know what?
You're going to learn.
You're going to learn, eventually, where it all went.
Okay?
We're going to introduce it.
It's going to be fun.
It's going to be enjoyable.
robbie myers
The campaign's only 38 days old.
They didn't have time to put the policies up yet.
It's just too soon.
benny johnson
Honey, what are we doing on Saturday night?
You're going to know when we do it.
What?
What's wrong with you people?
You're running a presidential campaign.
That would not be permissible if you're a freshman in college dating.
These answers are truly humiliating.
Ladies and gentlemen, I got one final, one final, very salty, very fun clip for you before we play our exciting meme, which is Kamala Harris's husband, who ended his first marriage because he banged the nanny and got her pregnant, and that's a matter of fact, and then he forced her to terminate the pregnancy, which is such creepy, just awful behavior, but that's, I mean, these are true things here that happened.
His name's Doug Emhoff.
And he was doing a rally today where he tried to get people to do a USA chant, USA chant.
Now, boys, I just saw this clip in here.
Where did it go?
Did it get deleted?
No, Doug Emhoff won.
Doug Emhoff trying to get people to chant about USA, USA, USA.
There we go.
Okay, this is what we're up against, ladies and gentlemen.
Democrats trying to lead a USA chant.
unidentified
USA!
USA!
robbie myers
So...
unidentified
USA!
robbie myers
You can say it!
unidentified
What?
benny johnson
Doug!
robbie myers
It's his first time doing it.
Give him a break.
unidentified
USA!
USA!
robbie myers
So...
unidentified
USA!
USA!
jd vance
You can say it!
benny johnson
They're like, we're not allowed to say it.
We're not allowed to be proud of our country.
This is what we're up against.
Boys, we're gonna win.
We're gonna win, boys.
robbie myers
It's happening.
unidentified
Alright.
benny johnson
Alright, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you, Danny.
Thank you, Robbie, for being on the show.
Thank you, Robbie's dog, for being on the show.
We appreciate all of you.
Much love.
And thank you, Jerry, our illustrious meme maker who created a meme that is currently going insanely viral right now and perfectly summed up this evening as ever.
He who owns the memes owns the future.
It's your boy, Benny.
You've been in the arena tonight.
And now a meme to take us away.
unidentified
I was ready for your interview.
Actually, we'll be interviewing as a team.
We're here to you up.
We wanna tell you the stuff we're not good at.
robbie myers
Our weaknesses.
benny johnson
Yeah, I'm sorry, who's this gentleman sitting behind you?
unidentified
Hello, Ms. Lady.
I'm Tim, I'm what you might call a workhorse.
I need to have someone go up and down with me in the elevator.
I have a weakness for sweet.
benny johnson
We're slow learners.
unidentified
We're not particularly good listeners.
We're also slow learners.
Okay, first of all...
Wait, shut your mouth.
Shut your mouth.
I'm speaking.
We are gladiators in the arena.
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