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	Sleep paralysis, nightly terror on spiritual warfare Friday.
	ready and welcome everybody to spiritual warfare friday I am Dan Badondi, joined by Vicki Joy Anderson for the second time.
	Welcome back, Vicki.
	How are you doing, sister?
	Hey, I'm doing great.
	Thanks for having me back.
	Absolutely.
	So guys, you can see it's daytime.
	We used to do this at night and Friday nights, but due to Vicky's schedule, she requested to do a pre-recording.
	So here we are, early Sunday morning here.
	And so we're going to try to get through this.
	We're not mourning people.
	So let's get through this here.
	So let's begin with a prayer here.
	You want to lead us with a prayer?
	Absolutely.
	Awesome.
	Father in heaven, thank you.
	Father in heaven, thank you so much for this beautiful day.
	And we just pray that you'd be here in our midst and that you would just pour your spirit out upon my and Dan's mind and our lips and our mouth.
	And we pray that we would pour forth speech that is true, pure, lovely, excellent, admirable, and praiseworthy.
	We pray, Father, that the things that we say would bring glory to you.
	They would exalt the name of your son.
	They would expose the deeds of the devil and they would set captives free.
	So Father, we just pray this time into your hands.
	Pray that you would foreordain everyone who would listen to this and that you would bring encouragement and hope and conviction into their hearts and lives, Father.
	We just pray all of this in the name of Jesus.
	Amen.
	Amen.
	So I guess I had a little hot mic going on when we were talking during the intro.
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	So anyway, let's get on with the subject tonight.
	So big, big issue here, sleep paralysis.
	So I take, I don't know, a large percent I have to say that Americans and people all over the world have an issue with this.
	Depends on what level you have, whatever, but a thing called sleep paralysis that the medical industry terms deems with this is sleep paralysis.
	And we talk about this all the time when supernatural things happen.
	The academia world actually get involved and try to tell you what they think it is when they have no clue.
	So, years ago, if you walked into a church, hey, listen, I'm getting these attacks in my sleep, they'll be able to help you.
	This is like probably 50, 100 years ago, whatever case.
	Today, because of academia and everything, these churches are so dumbed down to sell you all, go see a doctor about it, you know, and they put you on all these drugs and everything else that don't help actually makes it worse.
	I've suffered sleep paralysis since I can remember, up until 30-something years old.
	I'm 51 now, and yeah, it's just the crazy stuff that happens.
	And sleep paralysis is basically when you're in sleep, you feel like something you're sitting on your chest, you see at N of these, you go through all kinds of sorts of things, and it taunts a lot of people growing up.
	You know, I mean, there's different levels, different uh things that happen, but generally, you see a shadow person, whatever the case.
	But I'll let Mrs. Vicky here explain a little more.
	And she's a very great expert in this field.
	Yeah, she's got an amazing book we're going to promote for her and everything else.
	And so, go ahead, Ricky.
	Yeah, thanks, Dan.
	Yeah, that was a great overview.
	And I love the fact that you differentiated that there's different levels of this for different people.
	There's people that have had maybe sleep paralysis once or twice in their life, maybe in puberty or during a really stressful time in life or after a divorce or something like that.
	And then there's people that have had it for their entire lives, two, three times a week.
	We're talking since three, four years old, and they're now in their 30s, 40s, 50s.
	After I had written the book, for the first year, most of the people that I talked to that were at that point willing to talk were a lot of people in their 70s who had never talked about this kind of stuff ever.
	So, the book that I wrote and the people that I talked to and the general audience that I am speaking to are people who have had it their whole life.
	They would be probably classified as a targeted individual.
	This can either be through childhood trauma, it can be a bloodline, it can be military, it can be secret society, or it can be technology-driven.
	And these are the people that absolutely cannot get any relief, and they suffer with this for decades.
	And there's a lot of abuse, physical, emotional, and sexual abuse that goes along with these astral abductions.
	And so, that's primarily who I talk to.
	So, the people that say, you know, oh, I had it once and I called in the name of Jesus and it never came back, that is wonderful.
	But you have to understand that just because that was your experience doesn't mean that there's not other people who are so deeply entangled through rituals and permissions and spiritual invitations that calling on the name of Jesus might stop an episode, but it's not going to unentangle them from the constant coming back over and over again.
	So, Christians, just understand that there are people that it takes a long time to disentangle from this because there's unhealed childhood trauma.
	Many times, there is abuse, there are rituals involved, and a lot of times there can be DID, there can be alters, there can be dissociation.
	So, please, Christians, pastors, youth pastors, if someone comes up to you and they explain that they have this, don't write them off, don't blow them off, don't just send them somewhere else, don't hot potato them to someone else, don't minimize what they're going through.
	Listen to what they're saying.
	And if you do not feel equipped to minister to them, then send them to someone who is equipped to minister to them.
	And I don't mean a doctor.
	There are ministries out there.
	They can come to me.
	They can come to Shatter Ops.
	They can come to Through the Black.
	There are people out there who do have the time and the training.
	When people aren't ministered to correctly in this area, the trauma continues.
	And this is happening to genuine born-again Christians.
	Our battle is not against flesh and blood.
	These demons don't just leave us alone because we're asleep.
	Ephesians 6:12 was written 30 to 50 years after Jesus died and rose from the dead.
	Yes, it is finished, but that doesn't mean that we aren't still on the radar of the enemy.
	So Christians need to be far, far better educated in this area because our brothers and sisters are slipping through the crack.
	And if you notice too, you know, as the years go on, the spiritual warfare and knowledge in the churches have massively declined.
	And that's why a lot of pastors are turning away because, yeah, they go to academia or whatever the place, seminary schools to get their pastoral degrees and all that stuff to become pastors.
	But the colleges and all that, they're not teaching the spiritual applications of the scriptures.
	Yeah, we could all agree.
	I mean, learning about Jesus Christ is the number one, most absolute number one important thing you should learn in the Bible.
	But that's where it stops sometimes because you spend five years in the church and it's like, all right, you know, there's more to this.
	And they do prophecy conferences.
	They miss out so much stuff.
	And they neglect to teach spiritual warfare, which is this stuff here.
	Because, you know, like you said, how many Christians go through this?
	Because especially Christians, because they want to attack you.
	Satan wants to attack you.
	He wants you to bring you to them.
	And spiritual warfare, I'm sorry, sleep paralysis, I'm sorry, is a very, very common thing.
	And this is, you know, for thousands of years, as we all can remember.
	And for thousands of years, this has been a very issue on people.
	You know, innocent kids, myself, when I was a kid, I had no clue what was going on.
	Being thrown off my bed.
	I mean, all kinds of crazy stuff I could go through the ring with.
	But I mean, this is a common thing that the pastors should be the front line of this whole thing.
	And again, like Joyce said, Vicki, I mean, if you don't have the knowledge equip, get yourself equipped with it.
	You know what I mean?
	Pick up the Bible, pick up, go read people's testimonies, learn how to deal with this stuff.
	Because every pastor, if you run a church, you should be equipped somehow, some way with a spiritual in spiritual warfare.
	Yeah, I mean, yes, bringing the word of God is number one.
	We're not going to argue, ever argue with that.
	But number two is spiritual warfare because when you become a Christian, your target gets that much bigger.
	So this is why we stress importantly that spiritual warfare is very important, especially in the ministry, especially in the church.
	And you're going to have people coming to you.
	And the worst thing you could do, I have to emphasize this, the worst thing you could do is send them to a doctor or something because, yeah, you're going to make it 10 times worse.
	These people need spiritual help.
	This is a spiritual problem, not a medical problem.
	They're very much a spiritual problem.
	This is a spiritual attack.
	Yeah, it definitely is, Dan.
	And, you know, let me tell you some recent research that I was really encouraged by this.
	Most people automatically equate sleep paralysis to schizophrenia.
	And this has kind of been the age-old, this has been going on for centuries.
	It's a very sophisticated clinical way of gaslighting someone.
	They come to you telling you about all these attacks, and then you basically just call them mentally ill or crazy, put them on some medication, shut them up, and go about your day.
	But here's the deal.
	Finally, research online is starting to back away from that myth.
	The most recent research that I did said that only 12% of people diagnosed with schizophrenia will report having sleep paralysis.
	Now, there's some overlap in symptoms.
	People with schizophrenia will talk about hearing voices or they'll talk about nightmares.
	Like there's some overlapping symptoms, but that doesn't mean it's the same thing.
	And so, if you're out there, if you've been diagnosed with schizophrenia because of your sleep paralysis, if you're being medicated because of that, or if you're a Christian who's never experienced sleep paralysis and has never done any research on it,
	and all you know is the knee-jerk reactions that the internet has groomed you to like the official internet narratives that have been placed into your mind to just automatically spit out.
	I'm going to tell you to prayerfully ask the Spirit of God to reveal to you the deeper levels of what your friends and family are going through when they describe this because it is not schizophrenia.
	People that have sleep paralysis in many cases are extremely intelligent, creative empaths.
	In fact, there's a very specific MO.
	These people that have had lifelong sleep paralysis, it is a form, it's an astral form of trauma-based mind control.
	They're taking children who have been through some sort of childhood trauma and they are using that child's gifts and they are hacking those gifts.
	You know, the devil comes to steal, kill, and destroy.
	Oh, you've got gifts that the Spirit of God has given you to use for the ministry and for the kingdom.
	I want those gifts.
	I want to hijack those for new age purposes.
	And so, during these sleep paralysis events, before you wake up in your bedroom, you are abducted in the REM state.
	And a lot of times you come back and you don't remember all of that dream.
	You might not remember any of it.
	But you have to understand that there's something more going on here.
	And we have to get beyond in the church.
	We have to get beyond the point where every single person that experiences spiritual warfare doesn't get labeled with some sort of mental illness.
	I sort of blame the church for this, Dan.
	And this is what happens when you refuse to talk about the reality of spiritual warfare and the cosmic war going on and the enemy of God.
	If you have no idea theologically or biblically who or what a satan really is or how many of them there are, if you just conflate all of the enemies of God into one big bad guy, the serpent is the same as the Satan, is the same as Azazel, is the same as that, and it's the same as the fallen angels, and the fallen angels are the same as demons.
	You know, we've got this big, huge ball of just garbage that has snowballed together as it has rolled down the hill.
	And we have got to start studying the scriptures and wreck, you know, art of war.
	Let's go to Zao.
	Art of war.
	If you don't know your enemy and we don't know the enemy, we don't talk about the devil anymore.
	And for the few churches that do, you don't even understand who that guy is.
	You don't understand.
	There's been three divine rebellions.
	What happened in Eden?
	What happened in Genesis 6 with the sons of God?
	What happened at the Tower of Babel?
	These are three distinct divine rebellions with distinct rebels.
	And we just conflate it all into one and think there's one boogeyman out there.
	And if we just say the name of Jesus, he goes away forever and everything's good.
	This is just head in the sand, Christianity 101.
	Hey, if you've been a Christian for a week, you get a pass.
	But if you've been a Christian for 20, 30, 40, 50 years, sitting in an evangelical pew, and you still think that real Christians can't be attacked by the devil, open the word.
	Get some good books.
	Read Heiser's book, Demons.
	Get a Gary Wayne book.
	And you mentioned that too, about the art of war.
	So I explain this all the time.
	And so basically, using the military terms, the same thing here works in the spiritual world.
	So if you join the army tomorrow, right, you say, I'm going to join the army, you enlist tomorrow, you officially get sworn in.
	Does that mean you're ready to go to war?
	Absolutely not.
	You've got to go through basic training.
	And even when you get out of basic training, you're not anything ready for war.
	You got to go through your MOS, which whatever you choose to do, like military police or whatever, right?
	You get your training there, and you're still not ready for war.
	Before you go to war, there has to be reconnaissance done for us.
	Generals have to make out a plan for us.
	Then they've got to train you in that specialized area of that particular mission.
	So there's a process involved here.
	And that's a short term explain this.
	So in the spiritual war, it's the same thing.
	And I tell pastors and people who are well-grounded in the faith, there's nothing wrong, okay, picking up the book of the dead, the watchtower, or any of these satanic gospels.
	And study the, you don't have to study everything.
	Study what they think, what they believe, right?
	And combat that with the scriptures.
	Because if you walk into a, like, years ago, when I tried to witness to a wicker, right?
	A pig personal wicking, right?
	I got chewed up.
	I had no clue.
	Oh, you don't know nothing about me, which they were right.
	I learned something about it.
	When I was young, I got dabbled into the occult myself.
	And I learned what witchcraft was about it.
	So now I'm able to witness to people who are in witchcraft.
	And I'm able to witness the people who are going through sleep paralysis.
	So it was in Vicky, you know what I mean?
	Because we're victims.
	We've been through this stuff, right?
	So there's nothing wrong with picking stuff up to learn on an educational basis only.
	You know, like David Carrico, me and him both, we got massive amounts of cult books.
	I mean, we don't have them in the house or whatever, but we have massive amounts of cult books that we use on an education basis to use their own words against them, you know, to expose the deeds of evil.
	But real quick here, too, you mentioned about the medical, right?
	This is what the medical terminology is, right?
	This is Google, right?
	They declare this, and this is why pastors turn people away.
	Sleep paralysis is a temporary inability to move or speak while falling asleep or waking up, often accompanied with a frightened hallucination or a sense of pressure on the chest.
	It occurs, there's a lag of transition between conscious state and the REM sleep, a state where brain activity there, but the body is paralyzed, preventing acting out in dreams.
	Well, it could be distressing and generally not dangerous, but frequent episodes may signal an underlying condition of narcopolis.
	I can't pronounce that right.
	You should see a doctor if episodes are frequent.
	Now, check this out, right?
	This is what really ticks me off, and I'm sure it's going to tick Vicky off.
	This is accompanied by frightening hallucinations.
	So millions of people over the years, millions of people living today that's going through this, right?
	We all see the same hallucination.
	We all see the shadow man.
	We all see things sitting on a chest.
	We all see the same exact things.
	That's not a hallucination.
	I mean, I can see if we've seen random things, everybody's seen a different thing.
	Well, okay, maybe we could go down that road, right?
	This is using science now.
	But when you, science is something you could observe and demonstrate.
	But if you're getting the same results all the time, all right, we're going to address this point here.
	This is not a hallucination.
	How could people that don't even know each other, different cultures, different languages, different beliefs growing up, see the same things?
	Now we're going to sit there and say, all right, we need further examiners.
	And this can't just be a medical condition now.
	There's something in the supernatural realm that's interfering with us because now, why are these people seeing the same things?
	Why are they going through the same exact things?
	Yep, exactly.
	That is the one word in the Google definition that I would have picked out to talk about first two.
	First of all, you know, my English degree and my word nerdiness is going to come out now.
	But the dictionary definition of hallucination is sort of like a really scrubbed down, nice way of calling someone delusional.
	A hallucination is when you think you see something that is not there.
	So you're basically telling these people you're crazy.
	It's not really there.
	But oh, let's pat you on the head.
	You thought it was there.
	Oh, I bet that was scary.
	Here's the deal.
	This is what's ironic about that, Dan.
	When you think you're awake in your bedroom and can't move, the thing that's not really there is you.
	You are in a disembodied state at that point.
	You're in an altered state of consciousness.
	You have not fully woke up yet.
	And you are still in some sort of dream state.
	You are in some sort of astral place.
	That bedroom that you're in is an overlay.
	It's a screen memory.
	Because if you pay attention, there's a glitch in that room.
	Your window is going to be on the wrong wall.
	The bedspread's not the right color.
	There's a bookshelf you don't own.
	There's a mirror on the wall.
	There will always be a glitch.
	And that's the indication that you are not yet awake in your room.
	And so what's ironic about these hallucinations where people say they see a shadow man in their room or the woman in the rocking chair or the red glowing eyes, and then they're clinically told you're hallucinating that shadow person, the red glowing eyes, that stuff's not really there.
	The total irony of the whole thing is the only thing in that room that's not really there is you.
	You're not in the room.
	You are in a dream state.
	You are in this spiritual hovering place between wake and sleep.
	And so people, even with people with sleep paralysis, argue with me on this point.
	They can't see it.
	They won't see it.
	It's cognitive dissonance.
	It's too scary to contemplate.
	I don't know.
	But I will tell you that sleep paralysis begins in the REM state.
	You are asleep and you are dreaming.
	The dream is hijacked.
	Your dorsolateral prefrontal cortex, which was designed by God to shut down when you're asleep, flips on and you become aware of the fact that there is something demonic about to happen.
	You hear all the sounds, you smell the smells, you see the things, you know what's about to happen, and then you're seized in paralyzation.
	You cry out to the name of Jesus.
	So you wake up and you think that it's just a seamless one second to the next.
	I cried on the name of Jesus and I woke up.
	What you don't realize is that during that REM phase, you were taken out of your body into the astral realm.
	You were interacting with beings.
	You might have been partaking in rituals or abuse.
	You might have been making covenants or agreements.
	You might have been interacting with these entities.
	And then you wake up with no memory of that portion.
	And I'll tell you the reason why I know this, Dan.
	It's because you have Christians who have been born and raised in Christian homes.
	They don't smoke.
	They don't drink.
	They're not out fornicating.
	They don't have a pornography addiction.
	They love Jesus.
	They follow him.
	They're obeying him.
	But their life, the consequences and the way that their life is playing out, their emotions, their relationships, anxiety, depression, suicidal ideations, the fruit is that of a life of someone who's apostate.
	There's this incongruency that they can't piece together.
	I'm doing everything I'm supposed to do.
	I'm memorizing scripture.
	I'm learning Greek.
	I run the Bible study.
	I go to church three times a week.
	I love Jesus, but I have the same mental, psychological, and emotional life as all of my drug-taking, fornicating friends.
	What's going on?
	What's going on is you are being duped into covenants, rituals, contracts, and events in the astral realm during these sleep paralysis events that you have no memory of.
	And you're taking that back into the physical with you, the physical realm, these attachments, the guilt, the horror, the trauma of these events that you participated in in some cosmic level but have no memory of.
	And this gets complicated, Dan, because people are like, that's not fair.
	They're not playing by the rules.
	Why would God do that?
	And it throws such a wrench in our idea of what is fair, what is righteous, what is just, what God should and shouldn't be protecting us from.
	And we fail to grasp these things because our spiritual warfare doctrine is not fleshed out.
	We go to church and we're just told how much Jesus loves us and how much grace there is.
	And you can just go out every single Friday and party and sleep around.
	And Jesus forgives you because he loves you so much.
	And so we have this missing piece in our doctrine.
	We don't understand how calculated and evil and wicked the enemy is, how big he is, how big his forces are, how much hatred and vitriol there is, nor do we understand how much permission we have given him, not just through sin in our waking life, but these things because we don't know how to protect ourselves when we sleep, because we somehow think we're protected when we sleep and that the enemy isn't after us.
	This goes into all sorts of things.
	The permissions might have been ancestral.
	It could have been a great-great-grandpa.
	It could be the Freemasonry in the family.
	It could be the high-ranking military in your family.
	It could be the gate program that you were a part of when you were a kid, where mom and dad signed that permission slip and gave parental rights for them and they didn't read the small print.
	It could actually go all the way back to the day of your birth.
	Dan, this is a totally different topic, and there's people out there more equipped to speak about it than me.
	But the day that you're born, when your mom signs that birth certificate, which is an illegal document, because there's no lawyer present, and your mom has just gone into labor and given birth and is exhausted, and she's told to sign a legal document without a lawyer present, without explaining what it really is.
	That birth certificate is immediately filed with the Department of Treasury.
	And you are now declared dead at sea and you are completely given.
	Your mother has inadvertently signed over all of your God-given rights to the government.
	So if you've been born and have a birth certificate, the enemy has a legal right to bug you.
	And so Christians have to start taking contracts and covenants more seriously.
	Oaths that we make, the words that we say, the things that we agree to, the promises we make, these words have binding power in the spirit realm.
	And if you've said or covenanted with something in jest, in foolishness, in ignorance, in a dream state, the legalism of that spirit realm, they will bind, torture, kill any chance that they get.
	We don't understand the importance of covenant.
	And everybody just goes to Psalm 91.
	Oh, I don't have to be afraid of the terror of the night.
	And I don't have to be afraid of the pestilence.
	And I don't have to be afraid of the plague.
	And I don't have to be afraid of the cobra or the lion.
	Look at all this.
	I'm going to kick my feet up and play video games all day while Jesus puts on his Wonder Woman bracelets and just saves me from everything.
	No.
	Look, guys, Psalm 91 comes at a price.
	All of those things that you're going to be protected from, the cipher of that verse is, it's verse 9.
	Psalm 91, 9 says, because I have made Jehovah my dwelling place.
	Those are the people that don't have to fear the terror of the night.
	The people that don't have to fear the plague or the pestilence or the destruction are people who have made Jehovah their dwelling place.
	And that's covenant language.
	It is when you are betrothed and the groom carries you over the threshold of his home.
	You're now his property.
	You got his last name.
	You're in his house.
	He's going to pay for everything.
	He's going to pay the bills.
	He's going to protect you.
	He's going to take ownership of you and make sure no harm is done for you.
	But if you say, I want a divorce or I'm going to cheat on the weekends, every time you step back over that threshold and you're no longer in that dwelling place, you're not under the protection anymore.
	And so this easy grace revolving door, Britney Spears, oops, I did it again mentality we have with our sin is going to make us constantly vulnerable to the attack of the enemy.
	We have got to get our noses out of the sand and back into the book.
	100% agree with that.
	And so the same thing too, when you help people out of demonic possession or from demonic attacks, like I had a cousin of mine who was deep into Satanism and he had a metal ban and everything else.
	So he wanted to come to the Lord.
	I helped him out from the demonic attacks and all that.
	And I told him, listen, it's like, this is not going to solve the day, save the day.
	We helped you in the name of Jesus Christ.
	Now, what you need to do is you need to break these strongholds, these soul ties you had when you, these little covenants you made as you participate in Satanism, you ban, any and all connections you need to sever ties from.
	You know what I mean?
	Those are strongholds because I helped you now.
	But the thing is, if you don't do this right now, you have to do it yourself because these things are going to come back tenfold, sevenfold.
	I'm sorry, seven more spirits, like the Bible says, when that one spirit was released from that person, like Mary Magdalene, for example, she would have got attacked with seven spirits, seven worst spirits.
	So that's what's going to happen.
	You're going to go home.
	Oh, dick, I'm free now.
	I'm free.
	But you haven't really come to the cross.
	You haven't really severed ties spiritually with these strongholds.
	You're going to go home, put your relax, and all of a sudden, boom, seven worst spirits are going to attack you.
	And my cousin Lauren the Hardway, he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but he never severed tie with his death metal band.
	Kept the shirts going and settling the records and all that.
	And boom, just seven spirits come back and attack them worse.
	You know what I mean?
	So, yes, somebody could help you.
	Absolutely.
	If you're going through sleep paralysis or a demonic possession, you're not a believer.
	You could help somebody.
	But you need to explain that person.
	If you don't convict yourself now to the Lord and spiritually break those strongholds and all those things you went through, this covenant you made, all the contracts you signed, you need to do it in the name of Jesus Christ on your own.
	And if you don't do that, they're going to come back strong.
	Because the thing is, to them, you're that possession.
	And oh man, they do not want to let you go.
	They get vicious, they get angry, and boy, do they lash out.
	If you do not break those ties, they will come back so hard that you're not even going to know what time that your day is.
	Absolutely.
	I'm so glad that you brought this up.
	You know, God doesn't deliver us so we can continue in our sin.
	When we're delivered, according to the language of the New Testament, the language of Paul, we are to die to the old self.
	That means the old self dies.
	And when we think about that, we think in terms of, okay, this means I have to go from bad to good.
	This means that I've got to get rid of all my bad friends and I got to stop drinking and I got to stop doing this.
	And partially, yeah, if you're a brand new creation in Christ, I hope there's different fruit in your life.
	I hope your life looks different.
	But that is also covenant language because death breaks covenants.
	And so when you look at marriage, till death do us part.
	I'm free to remarry when this contract is done and it's payable upon death.
	So when a spouse dies, I can go and get another spouse.
	And so when it says in scripture that we die to the old self, part of what's happening there is every covenant and contract we've ever made, wittingly or unwittingly, with the spirit realm, with the devil, gets null and voided.
	And then we immediately covenant with Jesus Christ.
	And so now we're in covenant with a bridegroom who's going to protect our thresholds the next time someone tries to come in and dupe us out of that or tries to get us to divorce Jesus or annul that marriage, right?
	And so this dying to self is covenant language.
	We die because it breaks the old covenants.
	I want to talk for a second here to Dan on what I think is the difference between an exorcism and deliverance.
	So an exorcism, you know, we've all seen the horror movies, right?
	There's a difference between being demon-possessed and being demonized.
	Like unless you're in high levels of the occult or high levels of the Illuminati or high levels of like the billionaire club and people that have genuinely sold their soul over in some way, you're not going to see a lot of too many people.
	You're going to see SRA survivors, but the average Joe isn't going to start spitting up pea soup and their head's going to spin around and they're going to start talking in Latin or German or something, right?
	You know, the average person has just been given over to their sin nature and they're under, they have the influence of these demons, but it doesn't necessarily mean you can cast a demon out of them and they're going to vomit and all the dramatics, right?
	So an exorcism is when someone is demon-possessed and you actually, with the name and blood of Jesus, cast that demon out of them.
	And like you have already beautifully said, so I don't need to restate it, you need to make sure that you define all the terms before you do that because there's a lot of people that want relief from the pain, but they have no ability or intention or desire to change their life once they've been free.
	And you are setting them up for a worse situation than they began with.
	If you cast a demon out of someone and they don't know implications or their part in that, the expectations of them.
	So that's an exorcism.
	You're going to actually cast an entity out of that person.
	When we talk about deliverance, and the word deliverance is slowly starting to be redefined and become synonymous with an exorcism.
	People will call us, you know, they'll call me or they'll call through the black and they'll say, you know, I want to be delivered.
	And it's like, well, are you possessed by a demon?
	Do you actually think there's a demon inside of you?
	Do you have a whole bunch of missing time?
	Do you have suicidal ideations?
	Is your health failing?
	Are you starving to death?
	Like, are you getting sick?
	Are you anemic?
	You know, no, no, no, no, I'm not possessed.
	I'm not possessed.
	I just, you know, I'm having nightmares and I'm not excited about my faith and I'm bored at church.
	And I'm like, okay, well, you don't need an exorcism.
	The deliverance that you need is you need to confess your sins.
	You need to repent.
	And you need to start pursuing holiness.
	And real deliverance is a day by day, step by step, week by week, month by month, over the course of your lifetime of pursuing holiness and learning how to get in tune with the voice of the Spirit of God and then learning to have the self-discipline to obey that voice.
	And it's the daily walk.
	That's real deliverance.
	So now you might need a little bit of encouragement getting there, and you might need to talk to someone and you might want someone to pray for you.
	You might have demons influencing you.
	You might need to learn how to take every thought captive.
	You might have to learn how to make war with those things.
	You might have to learn how to say no to your flesh.
	You might have to learn how to fast.
	You might have to get rid of all the distractions in your life that continue to feed you with the things of the world.
	And so I think that deliverance really isn't on the shoulders of a deliverance ministry.
	A deliverance ministry should be there to encourage and educate and inform and assist a person in their own self-deliverance, which is going to be a step-by-step process over the course of their whole life because it's not an actual entity they have to vomit out of their mouth.
	And I'm not saying that doesn't exist, Dan, because it does in the higher level groups of the occult that I've already mentioned.
	But the average person that's just apathetic about their faith or who's bored with their walk with God or who are not, who just have apathy and who love their flesh.
	They love the promises of sin more than the promises of God.
	That's where a lot of us are.
	We love God, but we want the immediate relief of the promises of sin more than we want the delayed gratification of a lot of the promises that God is offering us.
	And that's the war that a lot of us are fighting.
	And that kind of deliverance comes through a pursuit of holiness, and that's a lifelong process.
	Absolutely.
	And it's a constant struggle.
	Look at the book of James, for example.
	James struggled with sin and it was just a constant battle with him.
	Same thing with Paul.
	Paul talked about that.
	Same thing with King David.
	We all know the things King David did.
	Yeah, that's what it's all about.
	It's like constant repentance and struggling.
	And the thing is, it's a hard race.
	Nobody's going to sugarcoat nothing.
	It is a hard race.
	Even especially when we get into ministries like this, your target's going to become that much bigger.
	And we know the risk at that.
	But, you know, at the end of the day, when the prize ring, you want to call it the finish line, when you cross that finish line, guys, you're eternal peace with the Lord.
	That's worth, I mean, even if, you know, right now, I've been doing this for about 15 years, 20 years, like, you know, this kind of ministry.
	Yeah.
	And if I'm blessed to live another 20 to 30 years in this world, I'm going to keep doing it until God shuts me up.
	But when it's all said and done, I mean, when you cross that finish line, all this world you're going to forget about.
	And it's worth it because more people you bring to the Lord, it's gratifying, really is.
	There's no financial reward that you can replace this.
	No kind of medals or championship belts or whatever the case, because I'm a wrestler.
	You know what I mean?
	So none of that could replace the reward of bringing the soul to Jesus Christ.
	And that's what it's all about.
	And again, because the church is making you look all hunky-dirty.
	You become a believer.
	Literally, heard a pastor say that I had to walk on the place and tell people, you become a believer now.
	You could do whatever you want.
	You kill somebody, no problem going to heaven.
	I'm like, what?
	You know, the dispensational is garbage.
	It's what it is.
	But it's a fight.
	You know what I mean?
	But the thing is, the fight is worth it.
	You know, that's very much worth it because your eternal soul is at stake here.
	So that's not worth enough in the whole thing.
	The point is, Jesus Christ died for you.
	He paid the ultimate price.
	No greater love than a brother to die for somebody.
	You know what I mean?
	Jesus did that.
	You know what I mean?
	So we need to put our end in it too.
	We can't just get a gift and expect not to work for it.
	You know, how would you like to show up to work?
	You own a business, right?
	You guys show up.
	I'm here to get my paycheck and they walk out.
	No work done.
	That's not how this works in the spiritual kingdom.
	You need to put your things in.
	You know what I mean?
	You need to put it in because, again, eternal life is at stake here.
	You know what I mean?
	And the best way to describe it, I hope I describe that right.
	Subscribe.
	Yeah, I don't care if I'm talking today.
	It's early in the morning, guys.
	Well, I mean, it's noon, 12 noon here.
	Yeah.
	So, Dan, I also just want to let people know: if you're seeking a deliverance ministry, if you're in hot water right now, lots of paranormal activity, spiritual attack, health crises that is also associated with nightmares and all this stuff that we're talking about.
	If you're in a situation where you've decided I need a deliverance minister or ministry, here's some advice I'm going to give.
	First of all, you're going to want to pray thoroughly and not move forward.
	You don't send one email or make one phone call until the Spirit of God has given you a definitive yes, that's the one.
	Don't just do one of these, like, I'm going to call them, and if it's God's will, they'll call me back.
	And if it's not, don't, don't make a wager out of this because there are so many deliverance ministries out there that aren't what you think they're.
	They are reprogramming, there are gatekeeping, there.
	There are people out there that present as Christians that are witches.
	You have to be very careful wading through those waters.
	So, my first advice is: you prayerfully seek this.
	You ask God, put the minister of your choice, make it obvious, confirm it three times.
	I'm not going to lift a finger to pursue this until I know for sure.
	Second of all, once you've made contact with that deliverance ministry, I want you to pay special note to who gets the most attention.
	Who has the spotlight?
	Satan, the occult, the coven that's after you, the demons, the sleep paralysis entities, or is there a whole bunch of talk about the truth, how to overcome victory, the name of Jesus, the power of Jesus, the blood of Jesus?
	Um, is Jesus being glorified?
	Is he triumphing over this enemy?
	Is there hope being filled?
	Um, you know, one thing that I really go out of my way to try to do, Dan, is, you know, I have this whole book about sleep paralysis.
	And so, you, you know, you come on these shows and everybody wants to talk about the demons and the entities and all that.
	And we're allowed to expose the deeds of the devil.
	That means you have to talk about them.
	We don't want to promote this thing that the church has been doing for decades where we're just going to sweep it under the carpet and pretend it doesn't exist.
	But you always have to turn it around and make sure that the message that really gets through by the end of it is Jesus is more powerful than all of these things coming against you.
	He is the victor.
	You are going to triumph through this.
	He loves you.
	The enemy wants you to think you're a chosen one.
	But according to the book of 1 Peter, you're a chosen one because you're part of a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people of his own possession.
	You are his friend.
	He loves you.
	He's your shepherd.
	He'll leave the 99 sheep to seek you out.
	He is singing over you.
	He's rooting for you.
	He knit you together in your mother's womb and had a plan for you.
	And he wants to restore to you the years that the moths have eaten.
	And he wants to heal you.
	That's who we are upholding as Christians.
	Light overcomes darkness.
	So if you're in a deliverance ministry that only talks about the darkness, And everybody there seems to be really titillated and fascinated in all of their demonology research and they don't just want to heal you.
	They just want to sit for weeks and talk about, you know, Azazel and Asmodeus and Lilith and like all this nonsense.
	Get out.
	Run.
	Run to the light.
	Light overcomes darkness.
	Exactly.
	So when we did our shows in October on demonology and all that, we talked a little bit about these demons associated with paralysis and everything else.
	But we also affirm, like Vicky says, affirm that, you know what, you should not, with Jesus Christ, if you could understand the power you could harness, do it through Jesus, through Jesus Christ, that these things are nothing.
	And that's what I taught in that episode too, that these things are nothing compared to the power of Christ.
	Yeah, I mean, it's part to know about them, but the things don't, like those ministries out there, she's right.
	They'll sit there and give you a full education, everything they know about Asmodeus or Lilith or the succubus, syncubus, so on and so on.
	But the thing is, yeah, no, the general information about them, but the thing is, there's no need to know everything about them because they're useless.
	I mean, compared to Jesus.
	Jesus has more power over them than all of them combined.
	It's amazing.
	And when Jesus walked through hell for three days, all the demons, everything just bowed before him.
	You know what I mean?
	Because they were afraid of him.
	Look when he confronted the Legion.
	They were attacking anybody that walked near that tomb.
	And they seen Jesus, they fell to their face in fright, afraid of, definitely afraid of Jesus.
	You know what I mean?
	So Jesus says, he who is in you is greater than all the world.
	So if Jesus and the Holy Spirit's in you, why in the heck would you be afraid of these things?
	And knowing that you could use that harness to attack these things.
	Like when I got attacked by sleep paralysis over the years, I started learning, all right, this is a spiritual thing and all that.
	That when the first time I confronted that demon that taunted me for years, in the name of Jesus Christ, this overwhelming sensation came over me.
	It's a warm feeling and just, it was so powerful.
	And I felt invincible.
	Not through me, at all.
	You know, me, I'm nothing compared to those.
	But through Jesus Christ, I felt invincible.
	And when they did come trying to come back and once in a while, they try to do it again.
	You know what I mean?
	When I call upon Jesus, even when you can't move, people say, well, I can't move.
	I can't talk.
	How am I going to call Jesus?
	You don't need to use your mouth.
	I learned that just about a year ago.
	I closed my eyes and just in that situation, closed my eyes and just think, you know, you call Jesus within your mind.
	You could feel it.
	And all of a sudden, I felt this warm sensation come over me.
	No fear, nothing.
	Just beautifulness.
	And that demon fled like no tomorrow.
	And you woke up, be like, peaceful.
	And you felt so invincible because of Jesus Christ.
	You know what I mean?
	If you could actually understand that and like really harness that, those things are nothing at all.
	Yeah, they could spiritually in the flesh.
	They could tear us to shreds, these demons and all that.
	But, you know, spiritually, they're nothing, you know?
	Yeah, I agree.
	And there's a point, too, where if you're just an average layman who's suffering sleep paralysis, there's a point where you can dig so deep into the research that the enemy, because these demons are so narcissistic.
	They want attention.
	And so if you're giving them, if you're not in the word trying to figure out how do I overcome this by the power of the blood of Jesus, but you are maybe even unwittingly so titillated with it that you're online reading all the stuff, the demons love that.
	It's just that that sort of attention that you're feeding them is orgasmic to them.
	Okay.
	And so that even can become a form of permissions.
	Well, you're thinking about me all the time.
	You're reading about me.
	You're telling all your friends about me.
	You're posting online about me.
	Don't come around and turn around now and say you don't want me around.
	Don't be a hypocrite.
	And so, and I, and I want to differentiate that from what Dan said earlier, so people don't think we're talking out of both sides of our mouth because we're not.
	If you have been called to be a minister, whether it's spiritual warfare or deliverance or you're working with people who have overcome ritual abuse, if you have been called into that type of ministry, there is a certain level of research you are going to have to do.
	You are going to have to read things and learn things and know what you're talking about.
	That's different than just being a lay person who has some sleep paralysis that you want to get rid of.
	You don't have to sit and do all the research and stuff for that.
	And even as researchers, and Dan, you've probably had this experience.
	There's been seasons where I have researched on something and I have bought books and I've printed things up.
	And when that season of research is over, I get rid of the books and I delete the files.
	I don't hang around like souvenirs, right?
	And so, and some of the books I keep, you know, depending on what they are, but some of the stuff, there's certain books I'm not going to have in my home.
	I'm not going to have them on my bookshelf.
	But that's sort of an individual thing.
	That's where everyone has to kind of determine for themselves how much can I handle?
	Is the Lord calling me into some sort of ministry?
	How much do I need to know?
	Why do I need to know this?
	And just, you know, constantly put your finger on the pulse of your motives.
	Okay.
	And know your research.
	Like reading Michael Heiser book on demons, where it's going all into the Hebrew and the nuances of the Second Temple Jewish writers and you're learning where there has been doctrinal and translation error.
	That's one kind of research.
	That's not the same thing as I'm going to binge watch three seasons of an occult show on Netflix because I'm doing quote unquote research.
	I mean, you got to be honest with yourself.
	Yeah, I agree with that too, because exactly what we do, like same thing with David.
	We got these occult books and resources and all that.
	What I do is I got my studio, I got those books here in my studio, and I got a label on these books.
	I put a sticker label on the back of them.
	I told my wife, if anything happened to me, don't sell these.
	Don't give them away.
	I literally need you to burn these things, destroy them.
	I want these occult stuff I got.
	And I pray every book again.
	Again, this isn't for anybody.
	If you're called, like she said, and I should have specified that earlier.
	Thank you for saying that.
	So we don't sound like we're talking out of both sides of our mouths.
	You said one thing, you did another, but the thing is, like you said, if you're called into this type of ministry, yes, okay.
	And what I do is those books, I pray over them right away.
	As soon as I get them, I pray over them.
	And I binning all the spirits in the name of Jesus Christ and the blood of Jesus Christ.
	And again, I got to got those things here at this, not my house, but here at the studio.
	And those are scheduled for destruction.
	You know what I mean?
	If my time comes and the Lord says, all right, Dad, you're done with talk shows, whatever.
	Yeah, those are going on the fire.
	You know, first thing.
	And I would highly encourage you, too.
	If you go to a flea market, you go to a yacht sale, things like that, and you're well grown in the faith.
	Would say, buy the object, the Ouija board or whatever the case, bring it home, pray over it first before you even bring it in your car, pray over it, bring it home and destroy it.
	You know what I mean?
	Destroy it in a fire pit right away.
	Just get rid of it.
	The new way it saves it from going into somebody else's hands.
	When I worked at a book, a company called Thrift Recycling, basically the books would come in.
	We would go through the books to see if they're good enough to sell.
	So the people, you know, we hand them up to the next department.
	They would scan them into the system and they would sell them online.
	So I don't know.
	I can't tell you how many Harry Potter books I came across, how many these DaVinci codes, all these occult books that I came across.
	I, oops, I, you know, ripped the cover and then no good to the company.
	So they had to go to get destroyed.
	So I did that to a lot.
	But yeah, going back on the subject here, but yes, we need to do that.
	And if you call into this ministry to do this stuff, it's very, and again, like what she was saying, like after you do all the research, you're like, oh man, like when I do a research for a show, I have to defrag, if you know what I mean.
	So basically, because you get all this, you see all this garbage from the bird's eye point of view.
	It's evil.
	You're like, oh, man, you feel so dirty spiritually.
	And then after it's done, then I just go, you know, I put on the audiobio and just defrag.
	And it's just like all that stuff, all that bad stuff that I've learned and obtained just goes away.
	And I fill myself back up with the Holy Spirit, the word of God.
	You know what I mean?
	And you need to do that once in a while.
	And sometimes when people get overwhelmed, and I've seen so many talk show hosts do this, they'll study deep into this stuff.
	They'll go down that rabbit hole.
	They'll go down that pit.
	And if you don't have a spiritual anchor, guys, because a lot of people do this without being believers, you'll become part of the abyss real quick.
	If you're looking into that abyss and you are not spiritually grounded, and I'm not saying New Age stuff, but spiritually grounded, you will become part of the abyss.
	You know what I mean?
	This is a very delicate ministry work.
	You know what I mean?
	Even us, the ones who are grounded in the faith and all that, we still have to defrag from this because it'll take a toll on you.
	You know what I mean?
	And you need to let the Holy Spirit and let God gives you only what you handle.
	So a lot of times it's amazing.
	I'm like, oh, what am I going to talk about next week?
	What kind of show I'm going to do?
	The Lord will give me something.
	Then he'll give me the information pertaining to what's applicable to what He wants me to teach.
	You know what I mean?
	So it's amazing.
	Just put all your trust into the Lord and the Holy Spirit and He will provide for that.
	You know what I mean?
	But yeah, and long story short here, yeah, just like I wouldn't touch the stuff with 10 football if you are not called by the Lord.
	Yeah, yeah, amen to that.
	Amen to that.
	Yeah, that's interesting that sort of process, the researching and the writing process with some of these dark talk, dark topics.
	What was really interesting is when I was writing my book, they only come out at night, and I really didn't even know what direction I was going to take when I first started.
	I just really didn't even have an idea other than the fact that I felt like God was telling me to do it.
	And so it was a long writing process.
	It took me a year to write because I would keep hitting roadblocks and I would have to pray.
	I'd have to have my prayer team intercede and pray with me and for me.
	And I would even have to fast because I would just hit these roadblocks where I had all these puzzle pieces.
	And to me, they didn't even seem to really connect, but I felt like they did connect, but I didn't know how.
	So it's a very frustrating and challenging but exciting writing process because it was sort of like a treasure hunt in a way.
	When I got to chapter four, which is the chapter on astral vampires and threshold covenants, I had to be very careful navigating that because in my teen years, I was very into heavy metal music and vampire movies and horror movies and things.
	And I'm a little bit older.
	So the vampire movies, this was before all the Twilight nonsense and all that.
	Was like the real, the real deal kind of vampire movies, right?
	The Nosferatus and the stuff that delves pretty deeply into the occult if you know what you're looking for.
	So, anyway, part of me had to be really careful, and I had to constantly be telling, asking myself, are you writing this to set captives free?
	Or are you writing this because you're titillated by it again?
	And so, I was constantly having to kind of vacillate with my motives there and praying and asking God to keep my mind on His glory and on setting captives free.
	But what was really interesting about that chapter, it took me months and months and months to write that chapter because I would sit down at the table to start writing and I would literally wake up hours later with my head like asleep on the keyboard.
	And this is not typical of me.
	And so, I would be so tired, or just the chronic fatigue that I suffered with during that particular chapter.
	And I struggled with oppression when I was writing that chapter.
	And interestingly, even when the book went to the editors, I was getting feedback after every chapter, chapter one, okay, this is great.
	Chapter two, okay, this is great.
	Chapter three, okay, this is great.
	Chapter four, I waited and waited and waited.
	And weeks, if not months later, the note I got back from the editors was, this is a really dark chapter.
	We got to be careful with this one.
	And so, there was something about that particular chapter that for a long time, I thought, okay, I must have dug too deep into the mines and released the bellrog.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, there's that point in our research where we can dig too deep, we can get greedy, and we can dig too deep, and the bellrog gets released, you know.
	And so, I, for the longest time, because that was such a hard chapter to write, I thought it must be because I delved too deep.
	I shouldn't have been flirting with that.
	Maybe that chapter shouldn't even go in the book.
	And I wrestled with it, and I had doubt over it, I had fear over it.
	And what's crazy now, four years in retrospect, in hindsight now, I can look back and I realize that I didn't even know at the time how much of the mystery of sleep paralysis and the agenda of sleep paralysis was being revealed in that chapter.
	And so, that's another thing for us to kind of note when we research.
	The devil can interfere with our occult research as well because he doesn't want his covert operations exposed.
	And so, in that case, it was this double whammy of constantly asking the question of, is my research motives pure?
	Am I opening up any areas of intrigue here that are going to cause me to stumble or trigger old intrigues?
	But at the same time, and what I didn't realize until many years later is some of that actually could have been interference from the enemy because I was getting way too close to figuring things out.
	And the more I talk about this and the more I now do freedom encounters with people who call me, who want deliverance, the more I realize that the information in chapter four was given to me by the Spirit of God.
	It did unlock mysteries that have been healing many, many, many people.
	So, it requires so much discernment when you're in these realms.
	We have to be aware of our own sin nature.
	We have to be aware of spiritual warfare, and we have to be aware of these visceral reactions we have when we're reading.
	Is it the Holy Spirit warning us to put the book down or get rid of the book?
	Or is it the enemy scared stiff that you're going to figure something out and help people?
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's like you got a tug of war going on, especially a tug of war.
	And so, do you want to give a couple testimonies of some of the episodes you had?
	Because I'm sure it's going to relate to because people, like you said, have all kinds of different levels and things with sleep paralysis.
	You want to give off a couple of the episodes that you had you want to share?
	Yeah, so thank Jesus, my sleep paralysis was always pretty standard, even though it still scared me to death every single time.
	I never saw an entity with my eyes.
	I did see the Hat Man twice, but that was during waking hours.
	And he didn't scare me.
	But mine were pretty standard.
	I would wake up and I would feel like I was in my room and I couldn't move.
	And I felt just a sinister pall of death in the room, like soul tear, like I'm going to be separated from my soul forever.
	And a lot of disembodied voices in my head of torment and of rejection and things like that.
	So it was the standard stuff.
	So what took me longer to figure out was that there were other things going on in my life that are related to this phenomenon that I had never even given any thought to.
	And that is, I would usually have bad dreams.
	Even when it wasn't sleep paralysis, I would almost always have bad dreams.
	I rarely, I think I could accurately say that in my 53 years, I can count on my two hands the number of dreams I've had in my life where it was like that was an awesome dream.
	A lot of my dreams are confusing, exhausting, frightening, or disturbing.
	They're not all nightmares, but a lot of them are just very draining.
	And so I didn't really realize that even the nights that I wasn't having sleep paralysis, I was still being profoundly affected by these things, these entities.
	And so then I didn't realize that about in the 80s through recent, because nobody talked about it until recently.
	And so I would have these very disorienting, frightening, exhausting dreams and didn't realize until recently that it's the mall world.
	It's this kind of simulation world.
	Now, most people that experience the mall world are graduates of the GAIT program.
	I was not in the GATE program, but as the more I talk to GATE graduates and they tell me about the conversations, the experiences, the field trips, the medical tests, the written tests, the psychological exams, I realized that I experienced all of those same things, but I experienced them through children's hospital, not through the education system.
	And so I'm not a GAITE gal, but I think a lot of the things that GAAP people were exposed to, I was exposed to.
	And again, we're going back to paperwork that my parents unwittingly signed.
	You know, here I am, you know, three, four years old at the hospital, and they're signing all the documents.
	And God only knows what the fine print was on some of that stuff.
	And so the mall world stuff goes along with this.
	Lucid dreaming goes along with this.
	And I do want to clarify: lucid dreaming is one of those things that the new age has so thoroughly hijacked that when the word is spoken, everybody just knee-jerks that it's the occult and whatnot.
	Let me explain from a physiological perspective what lucid dreaming is if you don't hijack it.
	Let's say you don't abuse lucid dreaming to get into the astral and interact with spirit beings.
	All lucid dreaming is, and it's something that everybody does numerous times a night.
	They just don't recognize it because a lot of people wake up and they don't remember their dreams or they don't evaluate them.
	When we are in a true state of sleep, when we get into those REM cycles, when we are truly asleep and dreaming, the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex shuts down.
	So, all of the higher reasoning functions of the brain, the decision-making, the part of the brain that analyzes and processes information and makes decisions and evaluates the consequences of the decisions and prioritizes the things that we need to do in life.
	The reason why we wake up well-rested is because that part of our brain that exhausts us all day is shut down.
	That's the part of us that's really sleeping.
	That's the part that's getting rest.
	And lucid dreaming simply means that there's points in the REM cycle where the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex flips on and we have access to the higher reasoning.
	Now, let's pretend for a moment that you are not going to use or take advantage of that to go into the astral realm and seek higher knowledge from ascended masters or to interact with other people who have been pulled up into the astral,
	or you're not going to be using that for astral sex or for gaining information from familiar spirits so that your, you know, your medium business can keep going.
	Let's say that God designed the brain and that God, understanding how vulnerable we are when we're asleep to spiritual attack, put an escape hatch into our brain that when we are in trouble, that frontal cortex flips back on so we have access to our mind,
	our memories, our logic, our ability to think and act.
	We have access to our moral code.
	We have access to scripture that we've memorized.
	True lucid dreaming, the kind that hasn't been stolen and destroyed and manipulated by the occult, is there to protect us.
	We use the loose dreaming state to get out of that situation as soon as possible.
	We use it to call on the name of Jesus and get woke up so that we aren't duped into these covenants and contracts in the astral realm that we're not even going to remember when we wake up.
	So, Christians, please take a deep breath.
	And before you just, out of the overflow of your cognitive dissonance, want to call me a witch because I said something about lucid dreaming.
	What I'm telling you is God gave us a safety net that when we're being pulled out of our body at night, we have moments of lucidity where we can recognize we're in trouble and we can say, in the name of Jesus, get out, and we can protect ourselves.
	That's what lucid dreaming is meant for in the real sense.
	The occult has hijacked it.
	The way the occult uses it is absolutely unbiblical and should not be done.
	Please hear me say that.
	It doesn't matter how many precursors or how much I preface that or how much I try to articulate that.
	There's always the people that say, Vicki's a lucid dreamer and she's a witch, and you're just not listening.
	You're choosing to willfully misunderstand me.
	And you're going to be used by the enemy to tear down a sister in Christ if you walk away from this wanting to believe that.
	I would never encourage lucid dreaming for astral projection or communicating with entities.
	But I'm telling you that if you all of a sudden become aware in a dream state that you're in trouble, praise Jesus, call on his name, get out of the situation as quickly as possible.
	And so lucid dreaming goes along with it and nightmares, mall world stuff.
	And so these are some of the other things.
	Another thing that goes along with lifelong chronic sleep paralysis and also with UFO abductions, anyone who's been a targeted individual, whether it's military, secret society, technology,
	ancestral bloodline trauma, usually by the time the person reaches their 40s and they've been dealing with this their whole life and they're exhausted from the experience and they're psychologically and emotionally worn thin, you will see about 85% of us who have had this our entire life will develop in our middle age several very severe,
	allegedly incurable autoimmune diseases.
	Our health will start to fail us.
	You will start to see rheumatoid arthritis.
	You'll start to see Hashimoto's, leaky gut, celiac, chronic fatigue, H. pylori, parasites.
	And you'll go to doctors.
	You'll get the blood work done.
	You'll go to naturopaths.
	You'll go to Christian doctors and Christian naturopaths.
	They'll do the blood work.
	They'll tell you you've got the autoimmune.
	They'll tell you there's nothing that they can do about it.
	They'll put you on a horrible elimination diet, which is another way the enemy kills, steals, and destroys.
	He takes away our ability to enjoy food and to fellowship with other people or to partake in meals with our friends because there's all this stuff we can't eat anymore.
	And this autoimmune for lifelong experiencers, I'm going to just tell you, we don't have time for it, Dan.
	It's a whole nother show.
	But what I'm telling you is through prayer, through fasting, and I'm not talking intermittent fasting.
	I'm talking real biblical fasting where you're saying no to the flesh for days and days and you're not eating or you're doing dry fasts even, that fasts kill these parasites.
	And once those parasites are eliminated from our bodies, not only do these incurable autoimmune diseases all of a sudden completely disappear because they're driven by the parasites, but you will also find that lifelong spiritual struggles or actual addictions.
	I'm talking alcohol, drugs, pornography, same-sex attraction, all the way down to stupid things like caffeine.
	I'm telling you that when people habitually begin to do frequent fasting, where you're going without food for 24 hours or longer, you will begin to be mentally, physically, emotionally, psychologically, spiritually healed of diseases, mental illnesses, addictions.
	It's right there in the Bible.
	It's been under our nose since the beginning of time.
	It is one of the weapons in our arsenal of spiritual warfare.
	It's fasting.
	It cures diseases.
	It breaks addictions.
	I cannot, If I could take every brother and sister in Christ and take them by the shoulders and look them in the eye and shake them and plead with them and weep and beg them to put God to the test in this area, I would do it.
	It's life-changing.
	It's changed my life.
	Yeah, I would highly recommend it too.
	And I got to do that myself because it does help.
	And if you look in the scripture, and it's very much scriptural, every time, like, look at John on Patmos, he fasted before he received Revelation.
	And many of the people, prophets, and people in the scriptures done big things, had big prophecies when they fasted.
	Because when you cleanse yourself of those parasites, the demonic parasites and everything, your whole body and everything starts to work well.
	And you're able to think better and everything else.
	And you become more in tune with God.
	You know what I mean?
	So that makes a lot of sense because when we did the show not too long ago with Bill Messer, we did our two broadcasts on that.
	And it makes so much sense when you fast, it helps you get rid of the parasites, the demons, and all that stuff, and helps you become more in tune with the Lord.
	So it makes a lot of sense.
	And I would definitely encourage that.
	And yeah, the sleep paralysis too, and I think it would probably help with that as well because it helps spiritually.
	And the sleep paralysis, like, again, it's a very, very common issue with a lot of people.
	We then get on different levels of it.
	Myself, I mean, I can't even tell you how many times I woke up my bed shaking, the whole bed shaking, nothing else in the room.
	I woke up, sometimes had this glowing entity over my bed.
	Sometimes I have something punch me under the mattress.
	One time I actually covered multiple times at something like literally lift me off the bed and throw me onto the floor or lift me right on top of my feet, whatever the case.
	And there was just all kinds of, even with so-called alien abduction, which we know we had Karen Wilkerson on.
	You know, Karen, right?
	Your buddy there.
	Yeah.
	She's the one who actually recommended me to you because I was talking about sleep paralysis and we were talking about how these aliens, when you're inducted, they throw this white blanket over you to subdue you, like a white sheet.
	And it blew my mind because I remember this happened like about three years ago.
	And when I was, I had a dream and this white sheet came over me and I was paralyzed.
	And she was telling me on the spaceships there, they throw this white like sheet like thing over you to paralyze you.
	And it just blew my mind.
	And so it's so quick.
	I know it sounds crazy to a lot of people, but yeah, abduction, these aliens of the Bible calls them unclean spirits.
	They're demons.
	And that's why anybody who's who confronted these things with the name of Jesus Christ has helped them a lot, you know.
	So it's the same thing.
	Sleep paralysis, demonic possession.
	Astral, we did our show, witches in the astral realm, how witches use the astral projection to target you in your home and your sleep and everything else.
	So you're not only dealing with demons and all that, you're dealing with people in the astral world who are using this astral projection and all that to target you.
	When I studied the new age witchcraft years ago, many when I was a very young teenager, I actually astral projected, you know what I mean?
	And I didn't like it at all.
	And I'm so happy and blessed that the Lord's led me out of that garbage.
	So through my experiences too, I've learned that the stuff, yes, is very much real, you know what I mean?
	And not to be played with at all.
	So now you have a better understanding of the spiritual world.
	Again, it's witches do this.
	Not the generic witch down the street.
	I'm talking about witches, people, high levels of witchcraft who know how to use this.
	And that's why they incorporate telekinesis.
	Because when you astral project, you could go to somebody's room.
	You can't physically grab them.
	So you need to use telekinesis to be able to move things or manifest something to move that you want to move, just to torture the person.
	And that's what they do.
	They torture people in their sleep and everything else.
	And I had a stroke about two years ago.
	And what was going on?
	I was starting to get these attacks again.
	And every time I called upon Jesus, I left.
	But the thing is, at first, my normal reaction was trying to physically fight.
	And it was draining the heck out of me.
	And every time I fell asleep, it would wake me up.
	You know, when you fall asleep, you've rightened you get to a deep state of sleep.
	You get woken up, you feel more exhausted than you did in the first place.
	Well, it kept doing that.
	It was physically exhausting me.
	Plus, my work and the gym and the wrestling and everything else that's going on.
	And just all the load ANM caused me to have a stroke.
	And I believe it was these demonic entities that did that to purposely drain me.
	And plus the attacks we get from the witches every year.
	It purposely drained me to have a stroke.
	You know, that's what caused the stroke.
	And so ever since then, when I get these episodes now, when and if they do come now, immediately I don't fight no more.
	No more physical fighting.
	Because you try to wake up as you use all your power in your body to try to wake up and exhaust you.
	I don't do that no more.
	I learned.
	I don't even have to move my mouth, just think.
	And like I said earlier, just call upon Jesus in your head.
	And you feel the sensation come over you.
	It's like this warmth feeling.
	And everything around you goes gone.
	You know what I mean?
	And you wake up peacefully and without exerting one bit of energy.
	And it's amazing because these things are almost killing me, man.
	And they'll go after, especially people like myself, Vicki, people who are in the ministries that do this stuff.
	They purposely destroy your sleep because we need our sleep.
	You know what I mean?
	Especially me and her.
	Both are in our 50s now.
	We're not old, but we need our sleep.
	And plus doing this kind of studies exhausts you too.
	It's not easy to just sit there and read books all day without trying to fall asleep, whatever.
	So they purposely exhaust you to prevent you from doing these studies, to prevent you from doing these kind of things.
	And plus your daily life and everything.
	So that's why sleep paralysis, again, it targets people differently.
	I think it's according to what when you're born, like Vicky was saying at the beginning of the broadcast, God has a purpose for you.
	And these demons know what that purpose is.
	So during your lifetime, they try to deal from that.
	They probably try to pull you off that track that God wants you to be on.
	I remember, I think I was, I don't know, six, seven years old.
	I remember this like it happened yesterday.
	And I didn't know any better at the time.
	And I don't know if it was a dream.
	I have no idea.
	But all I remember is I had both arms being tugged.
	It was hurting me physically.
	Both arms being tugged.
	And one voice in my left side saying, you believe in it with Satan, my left side.
	It's like, or God went on my right side.
	Like, you believe in me, you believe in me, you believe in me.
	Tugging that, you know, tugging me, right?
	And I didn't know nothing.
	I believe in both of you.
	Just stop.
	I didn't know any better.
	And all my life, it's been a struggle, both of them.
	You know what I mean?
	You drew me into the occult.
	I got fascinated with it.
	So I drew me into the occult.
	Then God's like, no, no, no, back here again because that stuff's bad.
	Then I learned that stuff is bad.
	You know what I mean?
	And it's saying, you know, growing up as an adolescent, you get involved with the girls.
	And, you know, I'm not going to say anything else.
	They draw you there.
	Then God's like, no, no, no, hooks you back.
	Nope, don't do that.
	You know what I mean?
	So I really think that was symbolic in my interpretation because I asked the Lord for interpretation of that over the years because I always remember that.
	And it was God saying, I have a plan for you, but Satan's trying to stop you.
	So when I got involved with professional wrestling, man, and same thing.
	In the wrestling world, it's like a rock star life.
	And especially on TV and everything.
	You got girls, this, that, and the other thing.
	I almost made it to the big time.
	And I was there.
	And God threw the monkey wrench in those works.
	Because those people, when I went down there, most of them went to drugs because you're on a massive schedule.
	It's hard to sleep.
	You're traveling all the time, lifting weights.
	And they get into drugs, painkillers, and all that stuff.
	And the girls and like rock star life said, drinking all the time.
	So God threw the monkey wrench in the works and caused a head-on collision and then knocked me out of the, you know, the running to be that kind of little wrestler.
	And at first, I was like, oh man, my career is down in the toilet.
	I end up wrestling again, of course, but nothing like that.
	You know what I mean?
	I learned because God stopped something bad from happening that would have really destroyed my life.
	And God had this as my calling from being on TV, being on Hollywood and all that stuff.
	You know what I mean?
	So I'm blessed for it.
	And I really thank the Lord for doing that because going down that road, and I'm not saying I would have gotten, but who knows?
	You know what I mean?
	If you get Pier Press, you got the girls and all that stuff.
	You don't know what you're going to do.
	And the money and everything, it corrupts you.
	So I could say I might not, I wouldn't do any of that stuff.
	But again, you never know.
	But God set my course back again.
	And it goes right back to the dream again about being the tug of war in life, you know.
	And same thing, like when I get going on this kind of stuff, I'll get attacked in my sleep.
	And the thing is, too, when you realize, here's the thing: the importance about this whole thing, about recognizing what's going on.
	So when you first get attacked, you don't know where you are.
	You don't know what anything was going on because you're just like startled.
	But when you recognize, when it starts to come to, you know, after the fright's gone, you start to recognize, all right, I'm asleep, I'm dream, but I'm being specially attacked right now.
	Then when you start, then you understand what these things are.
	Then you're like, all right, I don't think so.
	I'm calling upon Jesus Christ.
	And boom.
	And it becomes easier over time to get rid of these things because they want you.
	They want you.
	They want you to fold.
	They want you to offcrow.
	They want you back in that realm again.
	You know what I mean?
	And I even got tempted by Lucifer.
	Literally.
	And I was like, it was the craziest thing.
	I was sitting in the dream.
	I was sitting on my couch and it was a cup of water.
	Like, it was like, the heck.
	It started boiling.
	What the heck's going on?
	It was the stupidest thing.
	And there were people in the background, whatever.
	And the steam came out of it, right?
	And the voice came to me.
	And it's like, we want you.
	I'm like, who, who are you?
	Lucifer.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, what do you want?
	And because we want you on our side of whatever it said, and that means, oh, we're going to come after you, like, threatening me.
	We're going to come after you.
	And I got righteously angry real quick.
	I was like, in the name of Jesus Christ, get the hell out of here.
	You know what I mean?
	I'm not going to follow you ever.
	I don't care what you do to me.
	You know what I mean?
	And I rebuked it, like, severe conviction in the name of Jesus Christ.
	And it was amazing, gone.
	And then I woke up and I felt like, like, you know, like powerful, you know, and in Jesus.
	And there's so many times when these things happen like that.
	I heard God's voice, literally, or Jesus' voice, whoever it was.
	You know, during the pandemic and everything, at the time, we were getting money and everything else.
	So I was making good money.
	And plus, all the things that the government was giving you and everything else.
	So I was coming to the point that I was like, oh, yeah, it's like I was like, you're a little cocky.
	Like, you know, it was, let me get that verse real quick because it's very, very effective here.
	So the Lord, oh, man, this is crazy, man.
	It was Revelation 3:17.
	Now, I've never in my life ever even remotely recognized this verse at all, you know?
	So I'm sleeping, right?
	And I was undressed, okay, sleeping in the bed.
	And I was like, because that day my wife was like, oh, yeah, what do you need for this?
	Like, I don't need nothing.
	I got everything.
	You know what I mean?
	And it was like kind of a cocky way.
	So the Lord sent me straight to all man did it ever.
	So I heard this loud voice like thunder, like in the middle of the night, I'm laying next to my wife, and it woke me right up out of a sound sleep.
	Like, I'm like at attention, like, hello, you know, and this loud voice that says, they said, Revelation 3:17.
	Right away, I grabbed my phone and I looked and I looked.
	It says, Because you say I am rich and increase with goods and have need for nothing and knowest not thou art wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked.
	And I was naked.
	And oh man, I tell you, the first thing I did, I flew off that bed, threw my clothes on, and I got down my hands and knees and I prayed.
	It was awesome, but it was frightening at the same time because I heard God's voice or an angel, you know what I mean?
	I believe it was God.
	I heard his voice first time in my life, like physically heard his voice.
	And I was excited for that, but also frightened.
	But I was like, thank you for the message.
	And the thing is, it shows that God loves you.
	For him to send a message like that, to wake your people asleep, that is powerful.
	And that shows you he loves you, and he's trying to save you from discipline.
	You know what I mean?
	That was the verse there.
	And I already saved that verse on my phone.
	And, you know, right off of sound sleep is amazing.
	I know that's a little off subject, but I just wanted to throw that in there.
	But we all need to understand that.
	We've got a call from God, and we need to ask what that calling is.
	It could be anything.
	It could be just typing up a little Bible notes to people, hand out tracks.
	If you're not good at speaking, you know, whatever.
	You could do anything.
	There's a million things to do.
	It's people in the ministry who are bound to wheelchairs who are out doing something for the Lord.
	Hand out tracks.
	You don't have to say nothing.
	Things like that.
	Well, Vicki's own.
	She's an author.
	I'm a talk show who's.
	And the most people I praise the most, I really do, is the street preachers.
	Those people out there who get beat up, spit at, all that stuff.
	Those people out there who are in the front lines, those people I praise highly, the street ministers.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	These sleep paralysis experiences, they are transformational.
	Not if you've had it once or twice and it's just not been a big deal.
	But for those of us who have had it our whole lives, that comes along with all of the manifestations and the voices and the confusion and the abuse, it is a transformational experience.
	It is my belief that anyone who's had this experience their whole life, you will be radically changed.
	You'll be spiritually transformed.
	It's a crapshoot for these demons, Dan, because for a lot of people, they're spiritually transformed into a new age version of themselves where their gifts are hijacked and they're just being used by these entities to forward their own agenda.
	And so, you know, the people with all the new age stuff, they're just as tormented as we are.
	Even the people that are seeking this out, they're still getting the sleep paralysis.
	They're still getting the chronic fatigue.
	They're still getting the nightmares and the torment.
	Like the enemy doesn't really like them either.
	They're just complying and, you know, they're being used.
	But anyway, you're either going to go into full-on like new age ascension doctrine, Christ consciousness, or this starseed stuff for Council of Age or Council of Nine or the Anunnaki, are our progenitors kind of stuff, right?
	Or you are going to have such an awakening because of the reality that there really is a spiritual war going on.
	You're going to run into the arms of Jesus.
	And so that's what I see the most often.
	Very infrequently, does someone call me and say, I've had sleep paralysis my entire life and I'm not religious in any way, shape, or form.
	And I mean, I'm sure it's out there because there's always exceptions to every rule.
	But make no mistake, along with all of the things that they're doing to use you to forward their own agenda of getting the beast system put together on this planet and grooming the planet for the Antichrist to come.
	They are also out to kill, steal, and destroy.
	And they are using human beings as their energy source.
	They're using our gifts.
	We're boots on the ground.
	You know, they learned back in Genesis 6 that if they come down here and share the mysteries of heaven with mankind, that there's going to be consequences for it.
	You know, that was the result with the flood and with the Nephilim being disembodied and the watchers going to the abyss.
	So they're still carrying forward their agenda.
	They're still grooming us for this coming kingdom, which is a bastardized, fake version of the real kingdom that's coming.
	And so obviously, there is an agenda with all of this.
	And the human beings, we're the boots on the ground.
	They can't come down here anymore.
	So they need the people that are already down here to do the work.
	And so anyone who is in collusion with these things, whether you've got, you know, a YouTube channel where you're talking about how to astral project or you're a starseed or you're writing books or you're teaching theosophy or you're writing fiction all about this stuff, like no matter what you're doing, you're just an agent for the dark forces.
	You're being used.
	They're vampiric entities.
	I don't use that word casually or for hyperbole.
	These things will physically, mentally, spiritually, and emotionally drain you of your energy, of your health, of your relationships, and of your gifts.
	If you have a gift for art or music or writing or teaching or philosophy or science or medicine, they will hijack that.
	They will suck you dry for everything you have.
	And you'll look back on your life at some point and realize that you invested everything in the kingdom of darkness.
	And so I just want people to wake up, Dan, to realize that if they're after you, if they want you, if you're getting these wagers to sell your soul to the devil, you're getting pulled into the astral, you're being offered music or movie contracts.
	Let that be a sign to you that God has a plan for your life and he's given you very specific gifts so that you could be a minister of his kingdom and that very evil people who don't give a crap about you are stealing all of that from you and using it for their own agenda, an agenda that's going to culminate in a kingdom where you are not needed anymore.
	Exactly.
	And yeah, before we go too, if you want to dive into this, because we're not trying to sound like disgusting guys out there, but a lot of people, not just the sleep paralysis attacks, but in the sleep, which I think is very much related as demons doing this.
	Like, I don't know how to come up with the cleanest word, the wet dreams, because a lot of people approach me with that.
	What happens if I have a sleep?
	I'm in a dream, I have sex with somebody in a dream, and I wake up, you know, you know what I mean?
	I try to use the cleanest word possible, but have sex in the dream, waking up with the wetness.
	I'll leave it at that for both men and girls.
	Is this associated to you with another form of sleep paralysis?
	Yep, absolutely.
	I would say 95% or more of people with chronic lifelong sleep paralysis, whether they have a memory of it or not, because depending on how much you remember or how much you dissociate from this kind of stuff, this might be happening and you just don't know.
	And again, you might not have the memory of the dream or the abduction or the experience, but is the fruit of your life does it match your moral code?
	So I'll use myself as an example here, Dan.
	I have zero memory of anything in my dreams in the astral realm or in my bedroom or during sleep paralysis.
	Have zero memory of anything sexual.
	And in real life, there was, unlike a lot of people, my childhood trauma that opened up the doors to this, it was all medical stuff.
	It was, I was born with this birth defect.
	I was in the hospital, 15 years of surgery, the bullying.
	In real life, I never had any sort of molestation or abuse.
	So that whole aspect of the sleep paralysis experience is completely void.
	It's just a black hole in my mind.
	I have no memory of it, but I am making the assumption that it occurred because when I look at the things that I struggle with in my life, the things that I always blamed on the surgeries, the trauma, the bullying.
	When I look at my life side by side, because I am not a fornicator and I never have been.
	But when I compare my life side by side with all my friends who are fornicators, there's little difference when you look at the anxiety, the self-esteem, the rejection, the depression, the difficulty in emotionally connecting to Jesus Christ as my Savior.
	Like a lot of my faith, it's cerebral.
	I study, I research, I connect with him through faith.
	I believe with my mind.
	You know, we're supposed to love the Lord our God with our heart, soul, mind, and strength.
	And none of us are going to equally be able to love him all four of those ways.
	We're going to have ones that we're better at.
	And I'm very good at loving him with my mind and my strength.
	And I'm still learning through the healing of trauma to love him with my heart because that's the one that I struggle with.
	And so if you're a Christian and you've kind of had a leave it to be for life and you were homeschooled and you're not out there partying and you haven't done all the like the normal things that most people do by the time they're 20 years old,
	but you have this like wreckage in rear view mirror with relationships and with sabotaging relationships and with self-esteem and depression and or or you've got this track record of maybe really struggling to like or trust the opposite sex.
	Like you've never been hurt, but you have either a feminist approach or you have a misogynist approach to the opposite sex or strong same-sex attraction that you've never acted on.
	And where did that come from?
	When you've got distortions and perversions from the biblical model when it comes to thinking about, relating to, and dealing with the opposite sex, there, I believe, is a very strong link to the sleep paralysis and a large part of the astral grooming that you may not remember and perhaps abuse or rituals in that dream state that you don't remember or that you've dissociated from or that you think were just nightmares.
	There is, I'm going to say, again, I think 95% or more of people who have had chronic lifelong sleep paralysis, whether they realize it or not, there is a sex component.
	It's different.
	Some people, they're all into it.
	They're not Christians.
	They're going to the astral realm and they're getting an angelic positive experience according to their perception of what's going on.
	It's ultimately not positive because you're forming an attachment with a demonic being.
	But for some people, it is terrorizing.
	It's more like a rape situation.
	For other people, it's a painful, exhausting assault.
	For other people, it is a disconnected participation in it.
	And this can come in two ways.
	It can come through a familiar spirit in your dream.
	It can be your actual spouse in real life, or a boyfriend, or a girlfriend, or an ex or someone you have a crush on, or a celebrity.
	And you just think you've had a dream about having sex with this person.
	And the way you can kind of tell the difference between a regular dream and whether or not you've actually consummated with an entity, it'll be the same thing with sleep paralysis.
	You'll wake up the next morning with chronic fatigue.
	You'll be exhausted.
	You'll have an overwhelming sense of guilt or regret, or you'll then become obsessed, and your fantasy life will go wild fantasizing about this celebrity you dreamed about who you never gave a rip about prior to that.
	The other way people can participate without realizing that there's something demonic going on is people will wake up in that half-awake, half-asleep sort of euphoric.
	It's like sleep paralysis, but instead of a demonic presence, they're overwhelmed with a euphoric presence that makes them extremely horny.
	And they will, in the privacy of their own home and bed, that you know, without really any knowledge of why they're doing it, will participate in that.
	They will self-pleasure.
	And they don't realize, they just think that they're doing something for themselves.
	But if it's being fueled in the sleep paralysis state and you're doing it in that state and you're in a euphoric state, there's likely some sort of demonic entity present who is feeding off of that, who's enjoying that, vicariously enjoying that.
	If you think of demons in the framework of the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim, these are spirits that used to have a body and they had all the five senses and they enjoyed all the things we enjoy.
	And they have been separated from that now for thousands and thousands of years.
	And so if they attach to you, they can vicariously enjoy things.
	This is why what we talked about earlier, when you get rid of demons and parasites, both, some come out by prayer and fasting.
	Prayer takes out the demons.
	Fasting takes out the parasites.
	When you remove those parasites from your body and you remove the demons from your heart and your soul and your mind, those appetites tend to diminish or go away because what it was, it wasn't really your appetite.
	It was the appetite of the voracious appetite of these demons wanting to use your body and your mind and your brain and your dopamine.
	They were using you as a host to vicariously enjoy that alcohol or that drug or that sexual experience.
	And I'll tell you a story that I've only told a couple times, but it really hit home because there's going to be a lot of cognitive dissonance with this one, Dan, because pornography and masturbation is a big thing in the church.
	And we all like to excuse it like it's no big deal and it's private and nobody knows and nobody gets hurt.
	And so we all have our excuses.
	But let me tell you a little something about masturbation and the demon world.
	I spoke to a woman a year or so ago and she was one year celibate because one of the things that had one of the addictions that had come out of her lifelong torment of sleep paralysis was she was groomed at a very young age into learning how to masturbate and she became addicted to it.
	And that is the case for many, many, many, many people I talk to.
	That's not unusual.
	But she had been one year celibate, and she had called to tell me that she had an experience where she woke up in that half-awake, half-asleep state.
	But instead of the demon stuff, she was in that euphoric state and she was overwhelmed with the temptation.
	But because she had been a year celibate, she was really fighting harder than she normally would because she didn't want to break this streak.
	And so she was vacillating back and forth and fighting and fighting and fighting.
	And maybe this or maybe that.
	Well, Jesus will forgive me.
	Yeah, but I've been so she's just taking too much time considering this.
	And she said, a demonic entity manifested at the end of her bed and in a rage screamed at her, get on with it.
	He was just drooling, you know, just like he was just couldn't believe that this woman was showing this restraint when it used to be just such an easy go.
	So I just really want to encourage people to maybe start taking pornography and masturbation out of the category of just simple lust and sin, and maybe also start putting it into your category of spiritual warfare.
	Because when we talked earlier about these entities, will continue to come to you as long as they have permission, as long as they have an invitation.
	If you have been unwittingly sexually interacting with these things through these sleep paralysis experiences, and then all of a sudden you cut them off, that's also cutting off their access.
	And I'm just going to strongly encourage people to consider that there's really no sexual act that you do alone.
	And that's just something to consider because when we fornicate, whether it's with a human being or it's with a demonic entity, the consequences of that sin are going to attach to you, whether you have a memory of it or whether you agreed to it or not, or whether or not you could see the thing or not.
	These things are clever.
	These entities, they have human beings figured out.
	We're not that hard to figure out.
	And they want to vicariously enjoy the things that they're missing out on now that they're disembodied.
	And they are using you.
	They are turning you into a slave.
	And we're enslaved to these addictions and these sins.
	And Jesus has the power to set you free.
	And again, if you've tried everything and you've gone to rehab and the draw for alcohol or the sex, you think that I've tried a million times.
	I've tried every program.
	I've read every book.
	I've gone to deliverance ministries.
	There's no hope.
	There's no hope.
	I'm going to tell you to give Jesus one more shot.
	And I'm going to challenge you to do a lengthy fast.
	Now, obviously, you might want to talk to a doctor if you've got comorbidities, if you're really sick, if you're diabetic.
	Don't just run into it.
	But I'm going to tell you that learning how to fast, you know, you work up to it.
	I'm telling you that fasting can set captives free.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	And there's been times cleanest way possible.
	I woke up dead out of sight.
	Like woke up attention and just like this overwhelming sexual urge.
	I was like, where the heck did this even come from?
	You know what I mean?
	And it's so hard to, it's so hard to fight it.
	Because like, you're still like, you just woke up, but you're still, it's just, you have to like a flood of sensation like that.
	Like your testosterone through the roof for the whole nine yards, you know what I mean?
	So it's like, um, it's real hard to fight off.
	And when you do, because Jesus says, if you resist the devil, he will flee from you.
	You know what I mean?
	But it's going to be hard at first and all that.
	And if you have different avenues, if like if you're also suffering from this too, what I learned too is have something accessible by my side.
	In other words, like sometimes when I put the Bible on and I fall asleep to it, I have no problems at all.
	Nothing happens.
	You know what I mean?
	At all.
	You have a nice sound sleep and everything else.
	But if you have like access to something like that, if you're getting that urge real quick, because most likely people are going to give in, you know what I mean?
	And so I would hit something like the audio Bible or something.
	When you listen to the Bible, those sexual orders go away real quick.
	You know what I mean?
	Because you stand before God.
	And then when you realize that God's with you, you're not going to be reluctant to do something like that.
	You know what I mean?
	Speaking from a man's point of view, whatever the case, and especially when I was single, I was crazy.
	And it could get you into a whole load of trouble.
	You know what I mean?
	And so I would suggest have some kind of outlet if you get into that, you know, urge or whatever the case.
	And yeah, because these demons, like whatever they do to you in your sleep, and then you're right, because the book of Enoch talks about this, right?
	The disembodied spirits, when God cursed them to roam the earth until judgment day, God said they're going to have, they're going to still be angry, hungry, thirsty, horny as well.
	And they can't satisfy these things in the spirit.
	And that's why when they possess people, if you notice, right, sexuality and the possession is major big.
	I mean, they'll have sex with anything in sight.
	You know what I mean?
	They'll drink alcohol.
	They'll do this all-raging stuff and everything else, right?
	Orgies, the whole nine yards.
	And it's that demon just trying to fulfill that lust and everything that they have, but using your body, like you said, as a conduit to do that.
	You know what I mean?
	And sometimes alcohol is why it's called spirits because it's a spirit.
	Their spirits are like a conduit into you.
	And the parasites you talked about, too, that are fueled by sugar.
	Alcohol is tons of sugar in that thing.
	So it all goes hand in hand and everything else.
	And again, this goes to break the sleep paralysis too because you got the succubuses, the incubuses, you got the asthmodius, the king demon of lust and everything else.
	And the familiar spirits you talk about, I had that happen to me at the person I had a crush on.
	In my dream, I'm having intercourse with her.
	You know what I mean?
	So it's like, and you wake up and you feel exhausted.
	You feel like, woo, then that fantasy went through the roof.
	Well, the guilt went through the roof.
	And that's happened to me years ago.
	So it's like I've experienced these things myself.
	And then later to come find out it's a demon.
	And I would suggest too, like, I know when you wake up or you're half asleep, half awake, whatever, and if you just say you're engaging in sexual activity with this fantasy, this crush you have, right?
	And at the time, you don't know what, like, where am I?
	All you know is you woke up to this stuff happening, if it's a dream or not, whatever.
	And when you get your head together, I would say, call upon Jesus.
	And like, just call upon Jesus.
	And then you, here's the thing will help you a lot a lot too.
	If you call upon Jesus to reveal that demon to you, that might be this most gorgeous, beautiful girl, whatever, fulfilling all your needs and all that, right?
	Call upon Jesus to reveal that demon.
	When you see that demon in its true form, those fantasies are going to go away real quick.
	You know what I mean?
	And it's going to scare the hell out of you when you see this demon that's on top of you or whatever doing, you know.
	So I would rebuke it immediately in the name of Jesus Christ.
	You know, there's things that help you away from this stuff.
	These are a couple of suggestions, but mainly if I, I mean, you know, it's a demon, just right away rebuke it in the name of Jesus Christ.
	Don't play games with it.
	Don't ask it its name.
	Nothing like that.
	Don't even try to communicate it.
	Just get out of here in the name of Jesus Christ.
	You know what I mean?
	But yeah, thank you for talking to me about that because I get a lot of questions.
	And this is kind of awesome because a lot of listeners have been asking me these certain things, suggested to do a show on it.
	So if you want to come back sometime, we'll do a show and we'll have people calling and stuff because there's people who have questions about what they can and can't do sexually in their marriages.
	Is this okay to do?
	Is that okay to do?
	So if you want to come back on another show, if you feel comfortable doing it, we'll talk about it.
	Then we'll have people call in, ask questions, and we could try to answer them the best we can.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	That would be a great Q ⁇ A show.
	So I have a completed manuscript.
	It's not yet published.
	I have a completed manuscript.
	It's somewhat of a sequel to They Only Come Out at Night, but it is full on putting a microscope over this whole incubus, succubus, Nosferatu, spirit, spouse aspect of sleep paralysis.
	And the reason why it's unpublished at this point is it's not gratuitous.
	It's not like needlessly graphic and there's not a bunch of stories in it.
	But I talk so absolutely forthrightly about what it is that I've just questioned whether or not any Christian publisher is going to want to touch it with a 10-foot pole.
	So I might have to just self-publish it.
	But once that's available, that would be a great thing, a great topic that we could talk around that.
	Absolutely.
	And when it's available, we'll help you promote it and everything and get it out there because it's very important, especially a married couple.
	I mean, it's very important to know all this.
	Once, I forget the pastor's name, he made a good point too, how to prevent a lot of promiscuity and everything else in marriages.
	It's like, and I don't want to get too much into this because it'll be off the subject, but basically you got, you know, like you got two magnets, right?
	You got the North Poles and South Poles, and the North and South Poles stick together in the two same push away.
	So basically, like for a long story short, to prevent a lot of this, right?
	Because what happens, like, when you start getting depraved, deprived from sex, you know what I mean, in a marriage, that leads to a lot of temptation.
	Then all of a sudden the guy or the girl will start looking at pornography, start more masturbating, things like that.
	Because normally when you get together, you guys are like jackrabbits, you know what I mean?
	And all of a sudden it starts depleting over the years and all that.
	It could be for any reason, any reason, work, whatever.
	But when the scripture gets into it, it tells you not to deprive your spouse unless you're fasting or you got something medical going on.
	And if you're tired, just suck it up.
	If you don't deprive each other, you're going to have a blessed marriage.
	And it's perfectly nice in the eyes of the Lord, you know?
	And because again, when you just go two weeks, three weeks, four weeks, now all of a sudden all kinds of things go.
	This happened to me in my last marriage.
	You know, suddenly two months go by, you're like, am I not attracted to her no more?
	You start getting depressed.
	And all of a sudden, you start engaging in pornography, more masturbating, things like that.
	Then the doors start trinkling.
	Oh, that girl that's always talking to you all the time.
	Hmm, maybe I should talk to her.
	You know what I mean?
	And you don't want to do that, but that guy never did that.
	But, you know what I mean?
	Where it goes down.
	And the same thing for the guy who's depriving a woman.
	And then all of a sudden, they're cheating on me, this, that, and the other thing.
	So all this stuff has to have to happen.
	And what happens is what is going on, the demons will take advantage of you.
	Oh, but they will.
	And a sleep form of sleep paralysis.
	Oh, they'll taunt your dream.
	And that girl, let's just say the secretary in the office.
	Oh, you have a dream with her, right?
	You know what I mean?
	And all of a sudden, now you start talking to her more.
	And it just rips apart marriages.
	You know what I mean?
	So, and I would suggest right off the bat for anybody's going to question them from your marriage, don't deprive your husband or your wife.
	You know what I mean?
	Make time.
	Oh, I got three kids.
	Oh, well, I got friends who have several kids who still make time for that.
	Never stop dating your wife.
	Never stop dating your husband.
	You know what I mean?
	Make time.
	You know, plain and simple.
	You know, it's like, because that's very important in a relationship because that's for your physical part of the relationship.
	You know what I mean?
	Because, yeah, you get older and all that stuff, but you should never stop dating each other because it's a spiritual bond.
	It's a beautiful gift that the Lord's given you.
	And the magnets I was talking about, right?
	So a woman, she can't expect a guy to be like her.
	You know what I mean?
	The guy can't expect to be like her.
	So basically, the best way to a man's heart is through his stuff.
	You know what I mean?
	You know what I'm talking about?
	And men, the best way to that you who is through her heart.
	So you got to understand it's the opposite thing.
	You know, women can't expect men to go through the heart.
	I mean, like, you know what I mean?
	They can't expect to be the same back and forth.
	It's opposite purposely.
	So if you want to make that man happy, it's through his, you know what?
	Men, if you want to make her happy, it's through her heart.
	You know what I mean?
	That's normal the way it is, like the magnets.
	They attract opposite, you know what I mean?
	So opposites attract, so to speak.
	You know what I mean?
	But you can't expect the man to be like the woman vice versa, you know?
	And that's just a show way of putting it.
	But yeah, it'll avoid a lot of the catastrophe.
	And again, it goes right back to sleep paralysis and everything else.
	Again, this will give the demon because once you stop, that happened to me.
	And I'm ashamed of it, but it happened to me when I was going through this with my ex-wife.
	And all of a sudden, I started, you know, first time for a while, started looking at the porn because, you know, regal masturbation doesn't cut it.
	Then you start getting to more perverted stuff.
	Then those dots come across.
	Oh, that girl I work with.
	You know what I mean?
	And all of a sudden, you start getting dreams like that.
	And all of a sudden, it starts trickling and all of a sudden comes in and takes you over like a tidal wave.
	You know what I mean?
	So this stuff we hear is very important to understand.
	And I would love to do the broadcast on that sometime with you.
	And so because it's very important, because I get questions all the time from men and women who message you privately.
	Say, hey, listen, what can we do?
	What can we do?
	What if I'm single?
	And how do I, you know, relieve myself without relieving myself?
	You know what I'm saying?
	So I think it's a very important program we should be doing, you know.
	So yeah, but thank you.
	And let me promote your books one more time here.
	And if you look at, you know, LA Missouli's website, we'll put the links in the description and also in the chat room when this premieres Friday night.
	It's got to be premiered on both of my channels because we got an old one back, you know, thank God.
	And so we're going to premiere this both at the same time and also on the Rumble channel too.
	So all three channels are going to premiere this.
	And yeah, awesome stuff, man.
	And I will put the links in the chat room.
	And it's $19.99 for her hardcover book.
	Oh, it's a softcover book, but I got it at home.
	It's an awesome book.
	You got to get it.
	And it's her website, VickiJoyanderson.com.
	And you don't have any social media or anything?
	I do.
	All of the links are on the homepage of my website, but I am on Instagram, TikTok, and X.
	I don't do a lot on X, but I'm Vicki Joy author on Instagram and TikTok.
	I got a YouTube channel and a Rumble channel.
	YouTube is just Vicky Joy Anderson.
	And The Rumble is only the Demons and Parasites series that I do with.
	I co-host with April Lockhart.
	Oh, there it is.
	So I'm going to look, I'm going to link all these all the social media and everything to make it easier for you in the description.
	So yeah, thank you guys.
	And guys, if you want to support this ministry, we do got a donation pages, like four different ones, whatever suits you the best.
	I help support our ministry, especially we've got a rent coming up in the building.
	So everything helps.
	And most of all, just if you don't have money on it, don't worry about it.
	Don't sweat it.
	Donate your prayers to us, to our ministry, to our guests we have on, and it's you all watching, you know what I mean?
	So I want to close out real quick in prayer.
	So Father, thank you so much for this amazing broadcast today.
	And a lot of questions hopefully will be answered to the people watching and everything else.
	And it's a fight.
	And we ask you, Lord, to be there with us in this fight, to run this race with us and just bless us, Lord, along the way and help us avoid temptations.
	Even those of us here who teach your word, though, we get those temptations as well.
	We ask you, Lord, even more to be with us.
	And just, I know that's with your precious blood.
	And we ask you to, this time of year, you know, people getting sick and everything else, we ask you to help them physically, spiritually, mentally, emotionally, and just to help us, Lord, overcome all the forces of evil.
	In your mighty name we pray.
	Amen and amen.
	Amen.
	Thank you so much, sister.
	And anything else you want to throw out before we go?
	No, just thanks so much for having me on.
	And yeah, just it was great.
	Awesome.
	So here let me close out here.
	And guys, I don't know if I'm going to, I don't know if it's tomorrow night, whatever, but you know, because you all heard about the midnight ride that was the last episode last week.
	So I'm going to start doing at least once a week a month, maybe twice a month for now, a show.
	I haven't come up with a name yet.
	I come up with a concept called The Last Outpost, but it will be on Saturday nights, 11 p.m. Eastern, where the midnight ride used to be, because it's like I watched all the comments and everything, and people were just like so disgusted.
	Because it's been there for 10 years, and it was our Saturday night thing to do, you know, now everybody's like just lost.
	So I'm going to hopefully try to fulfill some of that void and have at least two shows a month on that.
	So right now it's called The Last Outpost.
	I don't know what it's going to be called eventually, but we'll get back to you.
	So when you see it on truthradioshow.com or YouTube channels, which most likely tomorrow night we will have something 11 p.m. Eastern.
	Even if I come on just to say hello and get some phone calls in, I'll come on tomorrow night, 11 p.m. Eastern.
	So just look for the post in there.
	And we're not going to have any phone calls today, obviously, because we're not live.
	But I want to thank Vicki so much.
	And God bless your sister.
	And this is Dan Badanti and Vicki, Dre Anderson, and Spiritual Warfare Friday.
	God bless Shalom and you are the resistance.

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