The War On Paul - Exposing False Religions & Cults That Hate The Apostle Paul
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Good evening, everybody, and welcome to FOJC Radio Sunday Night Live.
We are live, live, live once again, and very thankful to be so.
And we're thankful for all of you that are joining us for the broadcast tonight.
It's going to be entitled The War Against Paul.
We're going to be addressing many of the porkies.
We could have called it Porkies on Paul, the lies that are being told about Paul.
And we will be presenting the biblical Paul to you this evening and what is clearly said about him from the word of God.
In John chapter 8, verse 44, ye are of your father the devil, and the lust of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it.
And the only person to have more lies told on them than Paul is Jesus Christ himself, our Lord and Savior.
So we're thankful and we would remind everyone also that a person that believes and spreads a lie is as bad as the person that told it.
So we're about the truth here.
And we believe here at FOJC that truth is found in the word of God.
And we're going to be lifting up and defending the biblical Paul this evening.
And joining us for this broadcast, which is also going to be dual streamed on Dan Badandi's Truth Radio YouTube channel, is Mr. Dan Badandi and Brian Reese.
And Dan, just welcome to the broadcast tonight.
Thank you so much for coming on and doing this with us.
Thank you.
And yes, we're live, live, live.
Like David said on both channels here, this is awesome to be able to do this.
And thank you, Brian, for your hard work to make this happen.
You know, it's a lot of work involved.
People don't understand.
But yeah, what got me, I think it was a few weeks ago, more than actually, I called David.
I talked to him like a couple of times a week at least and on the phone at night.
And so I've been seeing this thing popping around, like attacks on Paul.
You know, seeing doctrines, I got emails from people.
Oh, Dan, you got to stay away from Paul's doctrine or the Pauline doctrine.
And he's an agent of Satan and all that.
So I'm looking at the information.
I'm like, no, all right.
First of all, I know that's a porky.
Then I'm looking to the information they give me.
There's always some kind of Ebonite source or a Gnostic source or something from the Essenes or whatever the case that 100% reject Paul.
You know, there's nothing biblical.
And when they do give you biblical context, right, I'm sorry, biblical verses, they are out of context.
So, and I've studied Paul and David's a million times over, right?
So Paul is a person.
You need to read his books in context because anybody could misinterpret what he says if you take a verse or two.
That's why it's important to read it slowly with the Holy Spirit and read it in context.
Because Paul is a little tricky sometimes, but it's not too hard to understand when you read him in context.
They're like, oh, it's the same people say, oh, Paul says the Ten Commandments are abolished in the end of the world.
He never said that.
He said the ordinances are.
They're not the commandments.
And he also, he said, the laws were done away with.
He didn't say that.
Because if they read the verse after, he says, do we then abolish the law?
God forbid.
No, we established the law.
So people misinterpret Paul all the time, either by accident, in this case, yeah, purposely.
So the claim is that Paul preaches another doctrine than Jesus.
Yeah, if you read Paul, he preaches verbatim what Jesus said.
You know what I mean?
So there's all kinds of attacks on Paul, and it's started getting me irritated.
It really has.
And I'm seeing this getting real popular.
Oh, you know, minus a Paul.
So let's go through the scriptures, right?
Oh, we shouldn't, you know, use the book of Revelation.
All right, take that out.
We shouldn't use Paul's book.
So let's take that out.
So what do we got left for the Bible?
Oh, you know, a couple of chapters.
Maybe the book of Daniel should go to.
And, you know, so that's what that goal is, guys.
It says to narrow the Bible down to nothing.
That's what they want you to do.
So the word here's the other thing, too.
And I'm firmly a believer in this.
And I know anybody that has the Holy Spirit in them knows this.
God would never, never, if he was an agent of Satan, Paul, you think the Holy Father would allow Paul's books in his scripture?
Seriously, think about that for a minute.
I mean, it's unreal.
It really is.
All righty.
I'll read the scripture here for you from the Apostle Peter in his second epistle in the 16th verse.
It says, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable rest as they do also the other scriptures unto their destruction.
So even in the time of the apostles, before they had even died, people were taking Paul and perverting him.
And also, I want to welcome to the broadcast tonight, Mr. Brian Rees, who will be joining us this evening.
Brian, welcome again to the broadcast.
And thank you so much.
What are your thoughts here about Paul?
Well, I just want to welcome everybody to the FOJC and then on the Dan Badoni Show, Truth Radio Show side of things.
I just want to welcome both streams here.
And Brother David, thank you for the introduction here.
Yeah.
And Brother Dan, thank you so much for coming on here and the special guest here tonight.
Thank you so much for being here on Underground Church.
Yeah, I mean, I'll just tell you what I think straight out.
I mean, you guys just nailed on the head.
We're only seven minutes in.
And, you know, here's my take.
If you take Paul and all the writers of the inspired word of God, and you start like Brother Dan just said, and you start saying that these men was not inspired or the holy scriptures need to be, they're tainted.
They need to be changed, altered.
You know, Paul's teachings are wrong.
It starts to make me really question what's really going on.
So if a man or human authority has the ability to change the divine intervention as far as a spiritually guided manual that God poured out from heaven for man to divinely write down for instruction for mankind, if you throw Paul out and you just say that his teachings are crooked or raw or evil or whatever, I think that this is when it, you know, the Bible talks about adding and taking away from the word of God.
I would think this is on the measure of that when you when you bring that in, you're not supposed to take away or add to the scriptures.
So if you take all the teachings of Paul out, I guess you're literally forfeiting your, the code that, you know, the Bible says and talks about that you should not be doing.
And I don't think God likes it too much.
So, with that being said, we're going to be taking it down some deep trenches tonight here on FOJC.
And I'm looking forward to both of you, what your alls take.
And every few seconds or every few moments when you holler at me, I'm going to chime in on the topic.
But, yeah, guys, Sunday Night Live is going to get real deep in the trenches when it talks about the war on Paul.
Definitely.
All righty.
Well, we're going to throw the ball to Dan here in just a moment.
He has some slides prepared.
And I want to just address one thing here: the accusation that Paul is a Pharisee and a Freemason.
And I would, and you know, if people want to believe that, you can believe whatever you want to believe.
That's your right.
But our only is our belief correct when we align it with scripture.
And let's just please read Philippians chapter 3 and let's begin in verse 5.
Paul was a Pharisee, but when he came to Christ, he was no longer one.
Philippians 3 and 5, which Paul wrote, circumcised the eighth day of the stock of Israel of the tribe of Benjamin and Hebrew the Hebrews as touching the law of Pharisee, concerning zeal, persecuting the church, touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
But what things were gained to me, those I counted lost for Christ, yea, doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung that I may win Christ.
That's poo-poo, my friends.
Good old number two.
And this is how Paul considered, after coming to the excellency of Christ, he literally considered his past life as a Pharisee as spiritual dung.
So we cannot intelligently promote this idea that Paul was a Pharisee and a Freemason and support it from scripture.
So we would implore you and all those who would think this, realign your thinking by the word of God instead of reimagining truth contrary to the word of God, because only in scripture are we going to find it.
But Dan, we're going to cut you loose here.
So let's roll here.
Let's ride on this Sunday night, the war against Paul.
Let's do it, brother.
So get your battle armor on.
Let's go to battle.
So before you get to the slides, if you want to get them ready, Brian, but I just want to reiterate Acts chapter 9 when it talks about Saul.
He was, I mean, he went around killing Christians, if you will, the apostles or whatever the case or not, people follow Jesus.
And Jesus made him blind.
And then he seen Jesus in the spirit while he was blind.
Then he had him go to Damascus to receive his eyesight back.
So, and it was by, hang on, I just lost my place.
My bad.
So, yeah, he had to go receive by Aeneas to get his eyesight back.
So, and then he went, his name went from Saul to Paul.
So, that's how Paul came along.
You know what I mean?
So, whatever Saul was, if he was in the occult, he was this, that, like David said, that was Saul.
And that's why Paul said, that's a bunch of dung.
Yeah, I'm no, Saul is dead.
Now we're at the Paul, a new man.
You know what I mean?
And no, it's not reincarnation for people who think that.
So, before you get to the slides, two more verse here, 2 Timothy 4, 3 and 4 says, For a time will come when they will not endorse on doctrine, but after their own lust, they shall heap themselves teachers, having itching ears, and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and they shall turn into fables.
And this is exactly what this is: nothing but a fable.
So if you want to get to the slides, a fresh one, Brian.
Okay, so basically these are several Christian groups and some are not Christian, the cults, whatever, that through all history, they rejected or questioned the teachings of Apostle Paul.
The most notable, and they didn't put the Essenes, but the Essenes are one of them.
the ebonites uh jewish christian sect considered paul an apostate and rejected his writings additionally some gnostics uh sardonians and whoops next slide over Hang on a second.
This was my slides.
There we go.
So there we go.
So, and also the Swedenborgians, hope I pronounce that right, have either rejected or minimized Paul's authority and teachings.
Some modern groups like those within the Hebrew roots movement also express strong criticism of Paul, viewing him as a deviating from Jesus' true teachings, which is kind of a hypocritic statement because what the Hebrews teaching, the Hebrews, I'm sorry, they teach contrary to Jesus themselves.
So in the Ebonites, their early Christian group active in the second century saw Paul as an apostate from the Mosiac law and rejected his writings.
And they believed the Gentile Christians should adhere to Jewish law and customs to be part of God's people.
And the Gnostics, it was a group of varying views on Paul, and some would accept him while others rejected him, the writings of the portions of them.
And the Sidonians, the second century group founded by Surdon, rejected some of Paul's letters and the other books of the Bible.
And the Swedenborgians, it's a new church, I guess, whatever it is.
This group founded in the 18th century does not include Paul's writings in their biblical canon.
Then the Hebrew roots move people, you know, the sacred name is, yeah.
So some within the movement believe that Paul's teachings contradict the true teachings of Jesus and the Old Testament.
They view Paul as a Pauline mystic and question his apostleship.
And again, yeah, that's like calling up the potclon the kettle black because they completely reject anything to do with Jesus, but yet they have the nerve to say, oh, Jesus is, you know, he contradicts Jesus, which is not true.
Then you get some other criticism beyond specific groups.
Some individuals and movements have expressed criticism of Paul, often focused on perceived contradictions between his teachings and those of Jesus on our role in shaping Christianity.
And it's important to note, number seven, yeah, it's important to note that the rejection of Paul's teachings is not a mainstream position within Christianity.
And some other groups and individuals may have strong disagreements within the aspects of his theology.
The vast majority of Christians accept Paul as a significant figure in the development of Christian groups.
And in short, followers of traditional Judaism, included those who delve into Kabbalah, generally do not accept Paul's teachings and apostle, Paul, I'm sorry, the apostle in the same way Christians do.
And here's why, because they say Paul is often viewed as a divergent from traditional Jewish teachings.
Paul's writings and ministry are seen in some of the departure from the original teachings of Judaism, particularly concerning adherent to the Jewish law.
So, and we get to the Kabbalah too, real quick.
Kabbalah is rooted in Jewish mysticism.
Kabbalah is a mystical tradition within Judaism that seeks a deeper understanding of God and the Torah.
It's focused on exploring divine interpret and Jewish scriptures through a spiritual lens, which is a complete evil Kabbalah altogether.
And contrasting views on salvation and faith, a key point of convention often revolves around Paul's emphasis on salvation through faith in Jesus, while traditional Judaism emphasizes her adherence to the Torah, which is the law, and the covenant with God.
So these are the slides here we got for on Paul and everything.
So if you notice, right, because who they hate the most?
You know, what Satan hates the most is Jesus, right?
So why do they hate Paul so much?
And if Stephen stayed alive, I think Stephen would have been the Paul.
Because when Stephen, that short time he was apostle, he replaced Judas, I believe.
And when he was alive for that short amount of time, he was very devastated in a good way.
He, oh man, he did his job and then some very outspoken person.
So Paul comes along later, and this guy doesn't take poop from nobody.
He'll tell you how it is.
And that's why they don't like him.
Because Paul is a very, very effective apostle.
I mean, especially writing these letters to the churches and everything, laying things straight.
I mean, the stuff that, you know, if you read Paul's books, you know what I'm talking about.
He's a straightforward person.
You know what I mean?
He doesn't take crap.
He tells you how it is, the way it is, and people don't like that, you know, and especially when you're very effective, especially him being in the Roman area, he's witnessing to pagans.
He's also witnessing to some Jews too.
But he's witnessing to people from all these cults and religions, bringing in a lot of people to Christ.
And the gospel does say, let me see what's that rest right there.
Oh, yeah, it's 1 John chapter 4, 1 through 3, right?
It says, beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits where they are of God, because many false prophets are going out into the world.
So hereby know the spirit of God.
Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God.
So Paul, that's exactly what he did.
He confessed that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, glorify Jesus.
So that takes him out of the view of a false prophet.
And it goes on to say that every spirit that confesses not that Jesus is coming the flesh and is not of God.
And this is the spirit of Antichrist.
Wherefore you have heard it should come and even know already it's in the world.
So how could Paul be an Antichrist spirit or agent of Satan, what they like to say, right?
The famous agent of Satan.
Yeah.
How could he be that when he's over there professing Jesus Christ, baptizing people and everything talked about in the name of Jesus Christ?
False prophets don't do that.
Glorifying God, he puts himself down.
You know what I mean?
Just glorify Jesus Christ.
So yeah, agents of Satan don't do that.
What do you think, David?
Well, Bible Christians, as long as there have been Bible Christians, have loved the Apostle Paul.
He wrote 14 books in the New Testament, 14 books.
And to throw out Paul, you throw out the Bible, you throw out the no covenant, you throw out all truth, the truth about Christ included.
And many groups, as Dan listed several there, have just absolutely thrown Paul under the bus as some kind of wicked person, not worthy to be listened to.
And in doing so, you've repudiated and rejected God's word.
And here in the last days, we have another very, very interesting phenomenon.
We have the dispensationalists that are preaching another Paul to us.
They are presenting a Paul that was a grazy grace Paul that was someone that did not adhere to God's law.
And certainly, this is a different Paul.
Sadly, most people that listen to any kind of Christian broadcasting, so-called, in America, they're hearing about a different Paul than the real one.
So it certainly is very necessary for us to take a look at the biblical Paul and to realize the real danger and what people are doing to themselves.
To reject Paul is to reject scripture and the man that God called and ordained to write 14 books in the Bible.
So this is a very, very important thing.
And Brian, do you have any thoughts here before Dan goes on?
Well, I'm in full agreement with what you guys have said.
I think just to throw it all out and say there's no importance to it would be just straight up blasphemy to me, David.
I mean, we're, you know, there's just, we're at the cusp here in 2025, folks.
I've never seen things the way it is.
And when it comes to just disintegrating the Bible and making all these different, I mean, literally coming up with different concepts, different theology.
I mean, taking a few words out of context and spreading it, making it into something with a human construct mixed into it with a man's interpretation and taking away that divinity of God and like saying, oh, we don't need to do that anymore.
That to me is just straight up blaspheming.
I think it's literally just, it's more than that.
I mean, it's like when you take an ad, like I said earlier, when I got introduced to the program, I think when you take away from it, you're taking authority, like saying that you're better, that you're better than Paul or better than anything that was written in the scripture, any of the people that wrote it.
And I think that's crazy to me.
I think it's just pure crazy.
So yeah, I'll give the floor back to you guys.
But yeah, it's scary times indeed.
Scary times indeed.
Go right ahead, dear brother Damon.
Yeah, and if it wasn't Paul, like who's in the chat?
Craig Hayden's in the chat.
If it wasn't for Paul, the Gentiles would not have received the word because Paul was massively spreading to Rome and all the European areas.
And, you know, I mean, if you go back again to Acts chapter 9, I mean, like, here's the thing, right?
So we know Satan, Satan doesn't have the power to heal people.
It doesn't have the power to bring people to life and all that, right?
So Saul at the time, right?
And Jesus making him blind.
They tell him to go to Damascus and have Aeneas heal you, right?
Aeneas was one of the students of the apostles, right?
So why would Aeneas heal somebody that's an agent of Satan?
Wouldn't the Holy Spirit have intervened?
And Aeneas knew ahead of time he was coming.
The Holy Spirit told him he was coming.
So if he goes to, you know, agent of Satan goes to Aeneas, hey, I need you healing me, right?
The Holy Spirit's not going to allow that to happen.
You know what I mean?
And the people who always remove the spiritual part of the scriptures, you know what I mean?
Spiritual part of the applications of what goes on within our world, so to speak, of believers.
You know what I mean?
And the Holy Spirit's not going to allow me to heal an agent of Satan or do anything for the agent of Satan if the person has true intent evil.
You know what I mean?
It's not going to happen that way.
The Holy Spirit, like the Bible says that, actually, Paul says, and I know people don't like to hear that either, but what Paul says that for God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
That's us.
That's 1 Corinthians 14, 33.
And, you know, the Bible talks a lot about this stuff here.
And so again, what I was trying to ridiate here, if Paul was agent of Satan, God would never allow his word to be in, I'm sorry, Paul's books, the 14 books, to be within the scriptures we call the word of God today.
That would never happen.
You know what I mean?
So, and like I was saying before, like these religions out there and these cults, they like to criticize Paul because what they do is, yeah, they'll tell you, oh, yeah, we believe in some of the Bible and they'll cherry pick from the Bible, right?
But because you have people like Paul that stand out because Paul reaches the Gentiles, they don't want that.
Paul reaches the people in the occult, the mystic religions and all that.
They don't want that to happen because they want to lie to the people.
Oh, yeah, like the Essenes doing.
You know what I mean?
They want to paint Jesus as this hippie little person or, you know, the Noxyx do with Merigovians.
I believe that they had, you know, he had a bloodline with Mary Madeline and, you know, paid him to be during his missing years.
He was out learning other religions and cults, Buddhism, and he did no such thing.
You know what I mean?
And so they like to paint that.
So when you run it to Paul, Paul brings things to the Gentile aspect.
You know what I mean?
And for us to understand it better and to witness to them.
So they don't like that.
And again, like I said, Paul is very, very effective.
And yeah, they don't like people who are outspoken.
That's why they shut Stephen up real quick and fast.
Then, you know, Paul came along later on.
You know what I mean?
So they don't like that.
And that's why they end up killing him too.
So when you look at the whole content of this here, it's just like these people who attack Paul because it destroys their doctrine.
The Essenes doctrine, the Gnostics doctrine, the Kabbalah.
I mean, it destroys it all because Paul sits there and tells you, hey, this is it.
You know what I mean?
And it brings, you know, merges like, yeah, and they say he separates the laws and he doesn't separate the laws.
He never told you the laws are abolished.
He never told you the commandments are abolished at all.
You know what I mean?
Because people don't know legal terminology.
So they're blowing up Galatians.
Oh, Paul said the commandments and laws are nailed to the cross and blah.
No, he said the ordinances.
The ordinances are penalties.
There's nothing to do with the commandments.
You know what I mean?
So they know people who don't, most people don't know legal terminology.
You know what I mean?
So you learn more about that in 2 Kings.
He talks about the laws, commandments, ordinances and statutes.
But I'm not trying to divert off the subject, but this is why they hate Paul, because Paul brings these things into perspective for us Gentiles, you know, who are not Jews and now are grafted into God's spiritual Israel.
So that's, you know, that's in a nutshell right there.
We can get way more into the stuff.
So this is a nutshell that that's why they hate Paul, because Paul tells it how it is.
You know, that's why they don't like him.
Yeah.
Let's think for a minute back, which Dan alluded here to, about one of the most popular misconceptions of Paul.
And as I said, the Paul that most people hear about is not the true Paul.
The dispensationalists who hold the sway in theology here in America, they present a Paul that believed that the law was done away with.
And Dan has already alluded to this scripture in Romans chapter 3 and verse 31.
And of course, Paul wrote Romans.
He said, do we then make void the law through faith?
God forbid, yea, we establish the law.
Now, how do we get from this clear-cut statement where Paul said, God forbid that we would make the law void, but we establish it.
How do we get from this scripture to the Paul that is preached in most pulpits?
It's tremendous.
About the nicest thing you can say about it is this is extreme spiritual deception.
And in Romans chapter 2, verse 13, here's another amazing scripture that you're not going to hear much in Romans 2 and 13.
For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Now, what are you going to do with that?
You know, it's like the Apostle Peter said that even in his day, there were people that took things that Paul said and rested.
That literally, that's a word for Dan.
That means rascal.
You twist it until it absolutely says something other than it was meant to say.
And it's just like Brother Spurgeon said, if you torture a text long enough, you can make it say anything you want.
And that's literally what it is.
And this is why, you know, a lot of people think, and our listeners would think, well, boy, yeah, this is common sense.
Well, yes, it is.
It's common sense and it's so clear in the word of God.
But it is so needful to try to hopefully get people to think about what they're saying about Paul and how these things, the accusations against Paul are total, are total fiction, literally a fable.
And in repudiating Paul, you're repudiating the word of God and you're repudiating Christ who chose him and called him, knocked him off his horse to be the apostle to the Gentiles.
With that spirit and that hope in mind, we would just pray that people that hold these obviously wrong views would think about it.
And it's not like, you know, and people that aren't plugged into things the way that we are would not realize how popular many of these are becoming.
They really are.
The lies are becoming much more popular than the truth.
Absolutely.
And that's what Paul did.
He taught against false doctrines, you know, stop division from within the churches.
Yeah, against divisive behavior, encourages believers to stand firm in the faith.
And yes, stand strongly firm.
That's what he encouraged people to do.
And that's what, again, another reason why they didn't like him for.
And it's frustrating, really is.
And what happens, I got an email.
I don't know this guy's name, Asia Lyon, whatever his name is.
I got an email not too long ago.
I think I fought it to David and Brian there.
Yeah, it was on June.
No, I fought it, June 26th.
Yeah, June 6th, I got this letter.
So basically, he titled it, and Paul was infiltrated agent of Satan to subvert the gospel.
That's what he says.
So he goes on to say, even the Muslims, and first of all, I told him, I don't care what the Muslims said.
So whatever Muslims say is irrelevant.
I can care less what Muhammad said about Paul.
So that's irrelevant.
Then Paul, Romans 13 says, garbage has neutered Christianity.
Even though I grew up as a Christian, I am forever grateful for the prophet Muhammad's point out many errors of fake Christians.
So hold on a second.
So if this guy claims to be a Christian, you grew up as a Christian, whatever the case, but you're grateful for the prophet, which he's not a prophet at all, a false prophet Muhammad's pointing out many errors in the fake Christians' transition.
That makes no sense.
It's a complete oxymoron.
And that alone, I should have just disregarded the email.
But, you know, I like to read the rest of it.
There isn't a couple of times where Paul negated Christ.
They say, you know, the other thing, Paul never come in contact with Christ.
Yeah, he did.
Who do you think made him blind?
So Paul's going to go to Damascus looking for a guy he has no clue about.
Jesus told him, go see Aeneas, have him heal you.
He doesn't know who the heck that is.
You know what I mean?
So he's going to make that up.
Go see a guy that he doesn't know and a guy he already knows ahead of time, Aeneas, to heal him from his blindness.
So how do you make that up?
So of course Jesus had an encounter with him because Jesus counted him in the spirit.
You know what I mean?
And he says, when Paul says something, suppose Christians accept it without question.
But when Yeshua says something, they don't believe it.
And they go the other way to misinterpret and lie about it.
No, you got the wrong kind of Christians because we take Jesus' word literally.
So I don't know what kind of religion this guy was in.
So he goes on to say, example, Paul does not believe in reincarnation.
However, Christ points out his followers that his cousin John the Baptist is a reincarnation of the prophet Elijah, which Christ never said any such thing.
He says he's got the spirit of Elijah.
He didn't say he's a reincarnation of Elijah.
You know what I mean?
And he puts the verse, anybody could go check the verses.
And you can see, and I, you know, I debated this guy.
Yeah.
Yeah, I haven't heard nothing yet.
You know, Matthew 17, 10 through 13, Matthew 11, 12 through 15, right?
And he says that Jesus saying is, you know, that's the other thing, too.
I'm sorry, I forgot to mention because you just reminded me.
The other reason why these cults, Gnostics, know that, they reject Paul because Paul does one thing that they don't.
They believe in reincarnation.
Paul does.
Paul was expressed against that big time because reincarnation is not biblical.
It's a pagan mysticism garbage lie.
That's all it is.
You know what I mean?
So they, like they just did, twisted the verses here.
And that's the other reason why they hate Paul too.
And he says his followers completely understood and also prophesies by Malachi.
And when you read Malachi 3 and Isaiah 4, 3, he says they prophesies a reincarnation.
No, they never did.
So, when you go read those verses, first of all, Isaiah has nothing to do with that at all.
And so, and it says, according to most Christians, prophets, Christ, Malachi, Isaiah, and Lot are liars, but Paul tells the truth.
First of all, no Christian would tell you that Jesus is a prophet.
They'll tell you he's the Lord and Savior.
So, I don't know what kind of Christians you talk to, but that's definitely not who we believe.
You know, we believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God, God in the flesh.
Okay.
And whatever he says, we believe 100%.
And so, I don't know who you ran into, but you got your wire is twisted big time.
So, we don't say Malachi is a liar.
We don't say Isaiah is a liar either.
And so, they try to say we only listen to Paul.
But it says, Paul constantly poos on the law of Moses.
No, he does not.
Then he listens to these verses, and of course, what David just read out of context, when a couple of verses he goes on to say that, you know, we don't abolish the laws, we collate them, we establish them.
I mean, so in the Christ said his own mouth, he didn't come to destroy the law, which is true, but Paul is not defying that.
Paul is not contradicting that.
And I'm just reading off an email, guys, from this guy here.
And he very well put email.
He had links and everything else.
But again, these people are very crafty.
So moreover, Christ had his foresight to warn his followers about people like wrote to Damascus Paul who never met him.
So again, like I said, about Paul being blind, he said, try to say, yeah, he never met Christ.
So that never happened.
Really?
So again, Anias just happened to say, all right, yeah, Paul, come on in.
Yeah, I'm going to heal you.
But, you know, how would he know to go to Damascus to go see Anias if he never confronted Jesus?
You know what I mean?
And Aeneas is in Damascus.
So how would Anias know that Paul is coming?
And some weirdo knocks at the door.
Hey, Jesus told me to heal you.
Jesus told me to heal my vision.
You know what I mean?
That doesn't work that way.
So in Matthew 24, 23, of course, his verse is out of context.
Then if any man shall say to you, Low is the Christ, believe it or not.
And for they shall rise false Christ with false prophets and show great signs and wonders.
This is so much possible.
They shall deceive the very elect.
Behold, I told you before.
So he's trying to associate that with Paul.
But if you look at the context of Matthew 24, 23, he's talking about the latter days.
He's talking about the prophecies to come.
All right, which is in these days, me and David Bright here will firmly believe this, you know.
So he's talking about these days.
You know what I mean?
So he was telling in these days, the end times, there will be false prophets.
He's not talking about Paul.
You know what I mean?
And so, and now they got some documents, whatever the case, about so-called Paul's contradictions.
I looked them over.
There's no contradiction, though.
It's just out of context, whatever's the case.
And so a bunch of YouTube videos.
And again, these are Gnostics, Essenes, garbage doctrines.
That's all they are.
And so if Christians, Zionists, if Christian Zionists could travel 2,000 years, first of all, what is a Christian Zionist?
That is a complete oxymoron.
You can't be a Christian and a Zionist at the same time.
It doesn't work that way.
But yeah, he goes on.
They would beg Yeshua to stop beating the bankers in the synagogue, much as the gospel has been omitted by Constantine and damaged to control and share Christians.
Well, there are other Constantine didn't damage the doctrine because there was other, we got canons before Constantine.
So that's a big bogus right there.
And it says the infancy gospel of Thomas was taken out because it showed, you know, the book of Thomas is another Gnostic doctrine, right?
So it was taken out because it showed how Yahshua didn't take any crap from anyone, made wicked people go blind and drop dead.
So Paul didn't drop dead.
And yes, when Paul was saul, he was very wicked.
But again, Jesus made him go blind, but he didn't make him drop dead.
So get your facts straight there.
Then later healed them only if he found righteous in his people.
Well, that's what he did.
And I think you're just contradicting yourself, buddy.
You know, because he would have killed Paul.
He didn't kill Paul.
He made him go blind to wake him up.
Then he had his eyesight healed, and because he found righteousness in him.
And then he became one of the best apostles.
And you know, I mean, he's goes on with his contradictions constantly.
He's got a bunch of books, uh, books not popular with the worshiper of Paul.
And again, you look at the books as a bunch of Gnostic sources, uh, scenes, and all this other stuff, you know, all these cults that hate Paul.
And he says, when you understand Paul as a Pharisee under Gamal, you understand his bizarre hatred of women and obsession of silencing them.
And he, you know, brings it up first Corinthians and 1st Timothy.
And Yeshua was too busy being a prophet to marry his girlfriend, Mary Magdalene.
So what's Paul's excuse?
Well, first of all, uh, big parkies in that because uh, when Paul did these things, he was Saul before he became a new person.
And Yeshua, Jesus, you referred to him, he was not a prophet, he was the son of God.
So they deny him as you know, Jesus being the pro, you know, I'm sorry, denying him as being the son of God and believe that he married Mary Magdalene.
So, right off the bat, I knew this guy was some kind of a Gnostic or something because they believe in that um bloodline of uh the so-called holy grail bloodline, which is uh nice temple garbage and all that.
Me and Diane the Ketterman last week, we did an awesome show on the Night's Templar on Friday the 13, two weeks ago.
I'm sorry, it was a very good job, good broadcast.
Oh, Diane does a great job.
Oh, yeah, it was top-notch.
Uh, she's awesome.
It says, Paul was arrested for being notorious.
Um, I don't want to say this word penis block, okay?
You know, the other word.
Uh, so and he goes out with these uh twisted gospels from the apocryphal, whatever.
That and you read it, it doesn't even say what he's trying to say, and Paul's marriage views, which is what Jesus' marriage views were.
Nothing contradiction there.
Then he just goes on with these other people who hate Paul.
You know, I mean, a bunch of links and uh summary of them and uh four major religions: Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and atheism.
Uh, in just, yeah, they say they hate Paul, whatever the case, but any religion of Christianity, supposedly, says a Christian hates Paul, they're not Christian.
Judaism, yeah, they do.
Islam, we could care less what Islam says, and atheists, we could care less what they say, we care less with anybody that's doesn't follow the doctrine of Jesus Christ.
I don't care what you have to say.
I'm not gonna, you know, like you got people out there who write books, not mention nobody's name, they'll put passages from the Quran and everything else, and you can't give credence to that disgusting doctrine.
And do I need to remind people this is another reason why, right?
And um, where's that rest?
All right, so I lost the verse.
So, but Paul says, You know, basically, if anybody comes to you, I'll narrate it and preaches another doctrine that we have not taught you, let them be accursed.
And he says, Again, if they come to you and preach another doctrine that we have not taught you, let them be accursed.
And these are the doctrines, guys, they're trying to preach to you because Paul mentioned these things a couple of times, so they can't have Paul getting in their way.
No, they can't have Paul messing things up because they was like, Oh, well, we'll hijack you like all these religions, right?
They hijack the Bible, they do.
You got the catechism, oh, we'll use the Bible, but we want to go to the catechism, Catholicism, right?
The book of Morons, uh, they got the book of Mormons, but yet, um, you know, another Testament Jesus, which contradicts the Bible.
Then you got um, the Quran.
Oh, they'll have some Bible verses in these things, the Watchtower 2.
All these four doctrines will include some Bible verses in their doctrines, but they're twisted.
And just to get you, take, oh, wait, but they quote the Bible, so they must be good.
But the book of Matthew, I love it.
Like the book of Matthew alone decimates all four of those doctrines.
But they can't have Paul telling you, oh, don't go to other doctrines.
They can't have you do that.
Because if you remove Paul there, then the Book of Mormons could be open to you.
The Bible doesn't say anything.
So, yeah, they talk about Jesus.
So let's look into the Book of Mormons.
Let's look into the Watchtower.
Let's look into the Quran.
Let's look into the Catechism.
Yeah.
And then, you know, the Predarism doctrine.
That's another one altogether.
You know what I mean?
So all these doctrines open up, right?
The Essenes doctrine as well.
So they have to get Paul out of the way to do that.
Then when they do that, if they are ever successful to remove Paul out of the way, then they've already lied about Jesus already.
Already lied because they all deny him as the Son of God.
Then the ones who do acknowledge him as the Son of God, they say, oh, he had a bloodline with Mary Madeline.
So you're looking like, so Paul's, I don't know how you say it, the gatekeeper, the door blocker, right?
The guy at the door, the big bouncer at the door.
You're trying to get into that club.
So you want to get to that club to corrupt the word of God.
Paul's that big bouncer at the door.
So if they could corrupt him, get him out of the way, they could simply move in and destroy the rest of the gospel.
So this is the danger to this guy.
You can't listen to these people.
And again, when they put stuff up, I challenge you guys to challenge everything they give you, right?
In his great homework, too, because you could clearly see for your own self reading it.
Wow, this guy is such a moron.
How could you say that when the Bible says different?
Because they take stuff out of context.
Like David's saying, you could, you know, you could take Bible verses and churches do it all the time.
You go to a ministry, right, or church, they'll say, oh, here's our church doctrine.
And they'll preach the dispensationalism.
So they're going to write 100-something Bible verses all scattered all over the Bible, all put together in this one doctrine.
And it's all out of context.
So when you read each one, they know 99% of people, they're not going to take time to do that.
Oh, it's a bunch of Bible verses.
I guess it's biblical.
So, and when you challenge these verses, you're looking at, first of all, most of these things have nothing to say what they're trying to say.
Completely way out of context.
And it's horrible.
It really is.
So this is a big psychological game.
And again, even Paul warned us of this.
Like I said, he warned us of these doctrines of men and devils.
You know what I mean?
And the itching people who turn an itching ass to these things.
And we have a massive overflow now.
People are going into this preterism stuff or the little stuff that we're in Satan's little season now.
And this is getting big and popular.
I've lost listeners to these idiots out there.
You know what I mean?
Because people want to turn it with the itching ass to believe in something that's not true.
You know what I mean?
Me, David, Brian, John.
The only thing we tell you, guys, don't even listen to us.
Go read it for yourself.
And when you do, you're going to see these people are liars.
These are the exact people in the gospels and ministries and whatnot that Paul, Timothy, all the prophets in the Bible have warned us about a long time ago.
Yeah.
And I certainly would not want to call these people morons or idiots.
Yeah.
It's not a matter of spiritual perception.
And the email that you read, Dan, certainly this individual believes a lot of things that we would not believe.
But how did he come to this place?
And there's an individual that we used to work with that we will not have on anymore.
And I do not want to mention his name.
I don't want to air out dirty laundry.
But this individual will write and says that the Quran is inspired scripture.
Now, Pete, how did this fella come to this idea that for Christians, the Quran had validity?
And of course, the Quran is the holy book of the Muslims, and we respect their right to follow that.
But as Christians, we don't accept that as inspired scripture.
So how did this guy come to this mindset?
Evidently, he heard somewhere that the Quran was inspired.
And this is why.
False doctrine always has its ramifications and it has its effect.
And if we would have this fellow on that is going to promote the Quran and scripture, you know, we're going to propagate that.
And it's going to cause confusion in the mind of people.
And for that reason, you know, we're not going to do that.
And Brian, what are your thoughts here?
Which one, David?
Because both of them, all those topics, you're talking about the individual we used to have on.
Is that what you're asking?
Anything, any of your thoughts here.
And, you know, I don't want to mention this fellow by name, but we're all aware of this.
And we couldn't go, we couldn't go with him because, you know, this is a serious thing.
You know, it's a serious error, in my opinion, when you begin putting the crown on the level of scripture, just like bringing the Nagamati codices up to the level of scripture.
This is going to just really mess people's spiritual life up.
That's the same person I was talking about, too.
Yeah, we know who we're talking about.
Any thoughts there, Brian?
Well, forgive me that I was a little off course there.
But yeah, God bless that person also.
Pray for that individual.
But I think it's, you know, when we're talking about doctrine and literally for approval, like for literally for your instruction manual to live, to live a righteous and holy life, like to have good fruit, to walk that walk with Jesus Christ, that narrow path.
And it blows my mind.
Like, for example, if I decide one day, I said, look, we're going to start teaching the Anunnaki doctrine.
Literally, let's just talk about the Anunnaki, which is a fallen angel hybridization creature.
What have you?
And if I started saying, well, I love the Genesis 6 narrative so much, the Nephilim, the Raphaim so much, and I love that topic.
I really do.
I love to dive deep into that.
But then I started saying that Jesus Christ was an Atlantean, like some of the folks that we've referenced on some of the books, and that he was teaching of all the, you know, the grand masters, you know, the, and he was right up there with Buddha, or he was right up with all these different other characters and talking about Thoth and different things and saying Jesus learned all these things and he was divine.
Yes, he was divine, but they claim he was ascended master to this ascended level for humanity.
But no, their claim is that Jesus Christ was not the only ascended master.
Well, when you think about these things and you really take Jesus' name, you warp it and you just twist it and you say, well, he's still somewhat a divine entity.
That's what they'll claim.
But you don't say he's the Son of God, the only one that's been saved from your sin debt, the one that poured the blood at Calvary at Golgotha, that precious blood.
And then you just twist the words and make all these lame excuses to literally tear him down to make him look like he's human.
Like literally just say, yes, he was in the flesh, but you take his divinity away.
You take his divine intervention as the only son of God begotten son.
You take that all away.
That's another thing.
Like we're talking about here about Paul.
I mean, how much more can we desecrate our Lord and Savior?
Like when we're claiming those doctrines.
And when you're trying to teach, and let's just say, yeah, Brian from Visual Disturbance, FOJC, just started teaching this doctrine about the Palladians, about how they're going to make us superhuman and live to be 200 years old, right?
And I started teaching Machizedek or these different types of, not Mechizedek, but Methuselah and different doctrines of the old of the days of Noah and start, hey, look, we can achieve this goal of being 500 years of age if you just listen to me in the Anunnaki stages.
I think that would be totally absurdity.
And then what you're sowing, you're sowing bad seed.
And people are easily manipulated to jump on to a high topic, right?
The Nephilim or whatever.
And we get into these topics.
And then you can swindle and twist things into that and claim that these other things are good for approval.
And like, you know, what we're talking about here and blend and twist it.
And then just like Oprah said, there were many ways to God or this, you know, these other teachings on the Scientology stance.
If there's other ways to God, then I guess we can just go out here and just like I said at the beginning, I guess we just need to throw our Bibles out and get on the celebrity status train and believe their rhetoric.
And that blows my mind.
It really does.
So here at FOJC, we're accountable for what we speak.
Okay.
So whatever comes out of our mouth, there's people that walk in truth and they're walking this journey out with us and learning from these channels and learning from Brother David for 40 plus years in Miss Donna.
And we are responsible for, you know, whatever's given, right?
You know, we want people to be fruitful and knowledgeable and be study themselves to be approved, but we cannot be going out here and teaching rhetoric that can damn the soul.
And forgive me if you have children, I don't like to cuss.
I'm not cussing.
I'm using a biblical stance.
Damning your soul is not what we want here in this channel.
And the ultimate goal is to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ.
When you twist it, manipulate it, start telling people to go this other direction.
And before you know it, we'll claim the metaverse and all those different, let's just say, different directions for spiritual growth, but it's the wrong route.
And then before you know it, here comes the alien, so-called alien, fallen angel narrative that happened to all these other generations, you know, these other cataclysms, what have you, you'll, you'll bend the knee to the Anunnaki or whatever.
It's just weird.
I cannot get by the, I can't get behind this stuff.
It's very dark.
It's very dark and demented.
Because you know, real quick before I get the floor back to you guys, these individuals that are teaching these things or what have you and blending things, they know they're doing it.
I'm sitting here, we're talking about these specific topics.
And when we bring them up, if we write books or whatever, have more podcasts or whatever, we know we are incorporating this doctrine or whatever into these books.
But you have to know it deep down.
And it resides to a heart issue.
That's what it resides at.
So if you can't, let's just say, be true to yourself and literally check yourself, like literally make sure that you are built to study and built to teach.
I think these individuals should not be even going down into that realm.
And I'm not trying to desecrate these people, but if vanity and funds get in the way of teaching truth, that scares me to death about people's souls.
And here at this channel and all the channels here, Dan's, my channel, we don't want to damn people.
We don't want people to one day, look, what do we do?
What do we do?
We've lost our joy.
We don't know what to do.
Here comes the aliens.
Here's come the Anunnaki.
Why can't we learn?
We thought, you know, thank you for teaching about the Anunnaki.
You said they were going to save us.
We would be accountable for that.
Like, and literally, my soul, David So, Dan So, would be in jeopardy or hellfire because I wouldn't want to be responsible for millions of people going into hell because I was teaching some whacked out insanity.
And forgive me for being a little harsh there and teaching people that there's many ways to heaven or whatever, and then blending my understanding as far as what I've learned with Nephilim and angels and UFOs and claiming this stuff is good.
And then just kind of like keeping Jesus in the background here and saying he's ascended master.
I think that's so dark, guys.
I just, I can't even like when I go in front of the Lord Almighty and say, you know, did I do everything?
No, you didn't.
You know, you're not a good and faithful servant.
Depart from me.
I never knew thee.
And I would know that going in.
I would definitely know that going in.
Like if I crossed over, passed away, took my last breath, I would know that I did all these things.
I didn't, like, if I had not an opportunity to repent, I would know that I'd done these things and that it's going to be depart from me.
I never knew thee.
Like, how, how scary is that?
I went a little long there.
I give the floor back to you and you two gentlemen, but there's my two cents.
I don't know how you guys feel about my commentary on there, but what do you think, David?
Well, I'd like to address something here that's a very, very prominent conception about Paul, which is clearly biblical, not biblically accurate.
And this is the idea that people will pit Paul against Jesus.
And they will try to put forth the idea that the doctrines taught by Christ are imperfect and that this is only realized by Paul, who is teaching a different doctrine.
This is something that would make the real Paul quite angry in 1 Timothy chapter 6.
And just read this scripture.
The scripture shoots this down.
Paul wrote in 1 Timothy 6, beginning in verse 3, if any man teach otherwise and consent not to wholesome words, even to the words of our Lord Jesus Christ and to the doctrine, which is according to godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and stripes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings.
And Paul clearly said, if you don't, in so many words, if you don't agree with the words of Jesus and the real doctrine of Christ, you don't, you're not, you don't know anything.
So this is certainly something that's easy to shoot down.
And there are so many that are disregarding truth and they're trying to reimagine truth, literally fabricating it out of imagination and prejudice that's divorced from the word of God.
And Bible Christians have to reject these things.
And it's a big job nowadays because we have to constantly conform our mind to the word instead of the world because there's so much out there.
I tell you what, the broad way is getting broader and broader.
And that narrow way is getting more and more narrow.
But go right ahead, dear brother Dan.
Yeah, and that's what I'm going to say.
First of all, I want to apologize for people, you know, because I get angry.
I'm being a wrestler, whatever it is.
It's not an excuse, but I don't mean to call people idiots or morons or anything like that.
It's just like when I get fired up, it's just like, because it really righteously angers me that people would pervert the gospel like this.
You know what I mean?
Like I say, you take Paul out of the way, it's going to open the door for other things.
Then they're going to go after Jesus.
They're already lying about Jesus.
The same people attack Paul of already lying about Jesus.
So what does that tell you?
You know what I mean?
And so with Paul going to say, right, if Paul was the agent of Satan and his letter to the Corinthians, 1 Corinthians 1, Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, the sarcasm or our brother, unto the church of God is a crime in which them that are sanctified in Jesus Christ called to be saints with every place upon the name of Jesus Christ, our Lord, both theirs and us.
So, why would he tell people that?
Proclaim Jesus Christ.
And why would he say in Romans 6 and 8, right?
And this is where this is very, uh, I did a whole biblical warfare teaching on this, the carnal mind versus the spiritual mind.
And I don't need to, I don't want to go off to another subject, but we talk about this all the time.
If you learn the Bible through academia, yeah, you're going to learn the Bible of the cool, but you're not going to learn the spiritual aspects of it.
Because even in the academic world, they have no clue what that even is.
So you need to learn it through the Holy Spirit.
You know what I mean?
Because Paul says in Romans 6 and 8, 8, 6, and 8, I'm sorry, for to be calmly minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life in peace, because a carnal mind is enmity against God.
Then the thing is, if you go on to academia, learn academia is against God.
You know what I mean?
It's already been compromised years ago, the Rockefeller system.
So if you think you're going to learn about God from the enemy, you got another thing coming.
But he says, because the carnal mind is enmity against God, it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
So then, I'm sorry, they, yeah, so then they are, the flesh cannot please God, plain and simple.
So, would an agent of Satan say that?
He would tell you, oh no, the carnal mind.
He would say, don't worry about the spiritual mind.
No, he's saying the opposite.
So, agent of Satan doesn't do that.
Like Jesus says, could divide a kingdom stand when he was accused of being Satan, right?
So, you know, the Bible warns us about these things, right?
David mentioned some verses and I think Brian brought up Revelation 22, 18 and 19.
For I testify unto every man that hears the words of this prophecy of this book.
If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.
And if any man shall take away from these words of the book, right?
Yeah, the people going after Paul's books of this prophecy, God shall take away his part of the book of life and out of the holy city now from the things that which are written in this book.
Then Paul himself says in Galatians 1, 6 through 9, or 10, yeah, whatever.
So he says, I marvel that you are so soon removed from him that called unto you grace of our Christ unto another gospel.
For which is not another gospel, but there be some that trouble you that would pervert the gospel of Christ.
So why would an agent of Satan be telling you there, warning you there's people perverting God Christ's gospel?
He wouldn't do that, right?
And he goes on to say, but though we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you that we have not preached to you, let him be a curse.
And as I said before, so I say now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you that we have not received, let him be a curse.
And for do I now persuade men or God?
Do I seek to please men?
For if I yet please men, I should not be a servant of Christ.
So you're saying, I'm pleasing God.
I don't care what man says, don't care what your opinion is.
I'm pleasing the Lord.
So an agent of Satan is not going to say that.
Then he goes on to Galatians 1, 8, and 9 says, But though we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you that which we have not preached unto you, it's the same thing, but in Galatians, yeah, let him be a curse.
You know what I mean?
And I hope I don't repeat that verse.
But yeah, and so 2 Corinthians 11, 13 through 15 says, For there are such false apostles, deceitful workers, transform themselves into apostles of Christ.
And no marvel, for Satan himself is transferred into an angel of light.
Therefore, it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as ministers of righteousness.
And whose end shall not be according to their works?
So this is Paul warning you about false doctrines, warning you about false religions, warning you about false prophets and everything else.
So yeah, and they're teaching you about how to use a spiritual mind with the Holy Spirit.
Every one of his books, he starts off by glorifying Jesus Christ and proclaiming him as his Lord and Savior.
An agent of Satan's not going to do that, guys.
So any doubt you have against Paul, guys, you just all have to say is you just need to read them in context and you read them very carefully.
You know what I mean?
Because again, it's a little tricky if you take a couple verses.
Yeah, absolutely.
But you need to read the context.
The context is either the paragraph or the chapter pertaining to that subject.
You know, simple reading comprehensive skills.
You know what I mean?
So I'll give you an example real quick.
So if I wrote a book, right?
And in a book, and you know, in the book, it's quoted, Dan Badandi.
hates anybody with the name of Bill O'Connell, right?
So, yeah.
So, you go, look, Dan Bedanti's racist against Bill O'Connell, right?
But they didn't bother to read the whole thing, you know, where it's trapped after.
He goes, I'm sorry, in that same chapter where I say, no, I'm accused of hating Bill O'Connell.
But after that, and I quote from somebody saying what they said, then I say, no, I love Bill O'Connell.
You know what I mean?
It's my chat room moderator, by the way.
So, you know, I mean, so that's where that goes.
So people easily do that with Paul.
They'll say, like, David mentioned, oh, Paul said the commandments were, but he never said any such thing.
He never said the laws are abolished.
If you read a couple of verses later, you'll see he says it's established the law.
No, we don't abolish them.
God forbid we establish them.
They don't want to read that part.
You know what I mean?
So, and I can't say it enough.
And I'll say it a million more times.
If you remove Paul out of the gospel, it takes that bouncer, you know, at the club, whatever, right?
Takes that bouncer out of the way.
So you can get into that little club and pervert the rest of it.
You know what I mean?
So that's where why we're so fired up over this, why we're so abdomin to really bring this home because you cannot let these people, the snakes, guys, they know the gospel, some of these people, very well.
And they misuse it purposely because they know it's like Satan, right?
Satan knows the gospel.
Demons know the gospel very well.
And they could easily manipulate it to mislead you.
And look, I mean, I don't have to say much more.
You got these clowns on TV, right?
They'll tell you, oh, oh, yeah, the dispensationalist.
Oh, the laws are abolished, but not the one, not the one for 10% of your tithes.
You have to give us 10% of your paycheck.
The Bible says that.
Bible says it never says that nothing to do with money in the first place.
But it's kind of funny and hypocritical.
All the Old Testament stuff was gone and done away with, right?
Except for the giving of tithes that happened to survive to the New Testament.
So it's so hypocritical.
And these same people with the dispensationalism, the preterism, man, there's so much garbage out there really is.
And this is why we do these shows, guys.
This is why we get so fired up and just because we need to get fired up for the Lord.
You know what I mean?
And again, what David was saying, Paul wouldn't take this at all.
The apostles, if they're alive today, they'd be not speaking like this.
They'll be going to these churches and probably smacking people in the head with the gospel.
You know, the preachers, you know, the people preaching this garbage, you know what I mean?
And I don't blame the people out there for, you know, like the guy who wrote the email.
And I apologize for calling him Maronto.
You know what I mean?
It's like he's probably misled by, you know, these false ministers out there.
And it's a spiritual battle.
It's not a carnal battle.
It's a spiritual battle.
And even the guy we were talking about earlier, the author, whatever, you know, he's a nice guy.
We love him.
You know what I mean?
And we just got to pray for him.
You know what I mean?
But we can't allow.
That's why people say, how come we don't have this one on the show?
And I got tons of questions with several people I used to have on the show.
Yeah.
And I'm like, yeah, no, because I can't.
I love the guys.
They're great people, but I can't allow them to preach a false doctrine on our broadcast.
And David opened my eyes to that.
You know what I mean?
And it's like, yeah, you're right.
Because if I'm letting them preach their books or whatever, they're going to mislead people.
You know what I mean?
I can't do that.
We need to stick to the word of God.
And I want you, people out there, too, if I ever say anything that contradicts the word of God, I want you to call me out.
Don't be afraid.
I said, Dan, you're wrong.
That's it.
Call me out.
Confront me with that.
Because, you know, this is like Brian was saying, too, this is a very serious thing.
When you're preaching the word of God, that's why for the longest time, I didn't want to do this because I was so afraid of misleading people.
And I don't want to be that one of those people at all.
Because that person that misleads a flock of people, yeah, they're going to pay a heavy price.
And I did not want to be those.
So I decided one day, I'm just going to follow what the Bible says, not my opinion, what the scripture says.
And that's it.
And that's what we do here.
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Amen.
And even during his lifetime, the Apostle Paul was not, of course, he had a tremendous effect.
But after Paul was imprisoned, most people turned against him.
And the epistle of 2 Timothy, beginning in chapter 4, and in the 10th verse, it says here, For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessaloniaca, Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.
Only Luke is with me.
Take Mark and bring him with thee, for he is profitable to me for the ministry.
And that was John Mark that wrote the Gospel of Mark.
And the thing about going the narrow road, the narrow road is not of popularity.
It's not one that the world will applaud you for, but it's one that the sheep will recognize.
My sheep know my voice, Jesus said, and truth will find a home in the heart of the Israel of God.
What are your thoughts here, Brian?
Yeah, the narrow road is never easy.
No, I don't know.
Brian's not here with us.
I'm here.
I'm here.
You guys can't hear me.
I apologize for that.
But yeah, the narrow road is not easy.
It never was.
It never is.
And I think, you know, when you teach about these, people call this a controversial topic, but it's really not.
I mean, we're reading straight from the Bible and believing what the Bible says and take the entirety of the scriptures to heart, literally from A to B or A to Z, from Genesis to Revelation.
I think, you know, people like us, people just don't, I don't know what it is.
They always have their interpretation and they have every right to it.
Like you said earlier, people have a right to choose.
They have their own free will.
But that narrow path is never easy.
That broadened path is super easy.
You can jump on that bandwagon pretty quick.
And listen, I've done it.
I've done it many times in the past and it always leads to destruction.
So yeah, that narrow way is not an easy path to go on.
And I could see how easy the devil could literally manipulate the minds of folks to literally start questioning the, is the Bible even real?
Is the Bible even worthy of reading and taking the time to articulate in that my brain?
Is it even worth it?
And I think that's where we're at in these days and times, you know, where the AI is on the rise and everything.
And it's kind of scary because, you know, you don't know where we're headed, but I do know where, you know, the Bible speaks of this, where we're headed.
And it's going to be a, like Dan said at the beginning of the program, people are not going to endure sound doctrine.
And I think that's where we're at.
If we don't keep including that in our life daily, we're going to be in a heap of trouble for sure.
So that narrow path, I encourage everybody to stay on it and not become displaced.
And let's just say, like the book of Job talks about, you know, curse God and die, right?
Or, you know, and going down that journey.
Don't always believe in God.
Don't ever cuss and act like he's not there because he's omnipresent.
He's always there.
And the joy of God and the peace of that and knowing that there's all heavenly father and his son and the Holy Spirit there is just, it's amazing to me.
It's overwhelming.
And if, you know, if people are out there seeking him or just now new to the faith, this broadened path is so enticing, especially when it comes to the old man.
And then now you're a new man, you're a new creature, you know, when you in servitude to Jesus Christ.
So, you know, it's time to get real.
It's time to walk that narrow path for sure and stay away from that broadened path.
You know, it's so easy to get on a detour, but we need to stay the way for sure.
And you're right, because that's what they'll do.
They'll point out Paul's mistakes.
You know what I mean?
Paul was a human being.
Of course, even after being saved, he's going to make mistakes.
Look at James.
His whole book is about him sinning.
You know what I mean?
Him, you know, struggling with sin, you know, because narrow is the way it's hard.
It's hard to stay on that tight rope, if you will.
You're walking that tight rope without falling to the left or the right.
You know what I mean?
It's hard.
But God allows you to get back on and keep going.
You know what I mean?
And so, of course, Paul's not going to be perfect, even when he was Paul.
Of course, none of the apostles are.
I mean, they still sinned.
They still, I mean, if they've seen a girl, God knows what they thought about it.
You know what I mean?
So we're humans, you know what I mean?
And that's where he separates the spirit from the flesh.
So it's a hard work, really.
It's hard for me all the time.
It really is.
And the more you get into this stuff, the devil will use what tempts you the most.
He'll use that against you even worse and he'll try not to eat on it.
And you got to constantly reject Satan.
You've got to constantly do it.
And it's a battle.
And when you get into the stuff, I'm not going to sugarcoat nothing, guys.
When you start preaching the word of God, yeah, your target becomes bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.
But don't let that despair you because, yeah, he knows that's bigger and bigger, bigger, more that's going to come back at him when Jesus reflects that, you know.
So you always remember that.
You know what I mean?
And Satan always tries to remind you of your past.
That's why these false prophets, you know, so look what Paul did.
He did this or he did, you know, with a woman, whatever.
Yeah.
It's like, well, we all have bad past, but you need to remind these people and Satan of their future.
So you can bring up my past all you want.
It's been washed away with the blood of Christ, but you need to understand what your future is.
So don't bring up my past when your future is hell and high water, hell and damnation, I should say.
Well, why do you say we have a little fun tonight?
Not that we're not having fun, but why do you say we take a few questions tonight?
And I know Dan does this all the time.
I think on every broadcast, Dan does questions and call-ins.
So he's used to it.
But we don't do that a lot, but we do occasionally.
And I just kind of feel like maybe tonight that some of you have some questions that you'd like to put in the chat that you'd like to hear us kick around.
So if you do, go ahead and put those, put them in all caps and put them in the chat.
And question about Paul, or I don't care, question about anything.
Go ahead and pop it in there.
Same thing in our channel.
We'll try to coordinate this.
So both of our channels, just try to put it all in capital letters.
We can Brian will be targeting you.
Brian is checking it out.
And while they're doing that, and you're getting your questions in there, if you have any tonight, a lot of these, I know this is preaching to the choir to our listeners, but hopefully there'll be some folks that are in these camps that'll listen to this broadcast tonight.
And I want to say just a little bit about ConspiracyCon.
This is coming up in the end of August, and Dan is going to be there, and I'll be there.
And Jillian and John and Brian.
And we're going to just have a really good time.
And Dan, what are your thoughts here on Conspiracy Con?
Well, I'm excited.
I can't wait.
And we got, you know, the hype is building up.
It's only June, you know, and actually, it's not even far away.
It's too literally like two months, whatever.
But it's going to come quick.
But I'm excited to get out there to meet, you know, hopefully everybody that could come out there and, you know, hang out with us for the whole weekend.
And the coolest part is when they do the midnight rides that Saturday night.
So everybody at the same time gets to go live, live, live.
You know, when John Palmers does that, so you get to take part of history, you know.
And uh, so most of all, you guys to hang out with us, you know what I mean, and uh, talk with us, and we'll pray for you, whatever you want to do, you know.
And just uh, it's your weekend for you know, I mean, we're dedicating ourselves for you guys to come out and hang out with us and just be chill, you know what I mean?
Uh, how they say that, you know, and just have fun.
That's it, and uh, you know, it'll be a good time.
And uh, Brian said he's got to buy everybody Whataburger I don't know if I said that absolutely do come out and be with us at Conspiracy Con, and it's going to be a great time.
We'd love to meet you and just be able to uh put a face with the name of a lot of our listeners and it'll be a good time.
And there was one question in the chat here.
I've seen I grabbed a couple here.
Someone asked the question to speak on meltology, M-E-L-T-O-L-O-G-Y.
And I've never heard that term before.
Brian, do your Dan know what meltology is?
Look, it's like all things such as red bricks, mountains, and melting buildings.
Yeah, I never heard of that.
I'm looking up the I've heard of it years ago, but I've never dug into that.
Looks like his restaurant, too.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
I've never heard of that term.
I've never heard of it.
I don't know what it is.
Um, that's a new question.
Go ahead, David.
Uh, there was another question to hear about Paul's thorn in the flesh, what we thought that that was.
And we can't say with assurity because the Bible doesn't say that for sure.
And one of the most logical ideas is that his Paul's thorn in the flesh, there's scriptures we can bring forth that he had bad eyes.
And it's quite possible that in that area, someone that traveled like Paul, malaria would have been something that they would have encountered that could have given bad eyesight.
And there, when it talks about the thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan, it's literally the angel of Satan, the malak.
And literally, Paul, and the Lord says he allowed Paul to have that so that it would keep him humble.
And this was something, and you know, let's face it, there's pride in all of us, isn't there?
And Paul was such an astoundingly intelligent, gifted individual, a brave, fearless warrior, that the Lord gave him a thorn in the flesh to keep him humble.
And this was something that the Lord allowed to be inflicted upon him.
So I can't say for sure what it was, but Dan, do your or Brian have any thoughts on Paul's thorn of the flesh?
Yeah, I think it was because all of us, every one of us, we had to be beat down spiritually, sometimes physically to understand where we're at.
And if you look at the, I mean, how it goes in the military, too, they do the same thing.
When you get in the military, they degrade you, they make you feel like low than dirt.
And that's when, when your face is in the gutter, that's when they stop building you up and carving you into a new person.
That's what the Lord does.
You know, He wants us to, that's why it's called born again, to get rid of that, the old self.
That's real Saul completely.
That's why He said Himself is dumb, you know, gone and become a new person in Christ.
So I think most people, and including me, I remember my face in the gutter living out of my car, like literally, with barely any money.
I was down at my lowest point in my life to understand the Lord was teaching me a lesson.
And I faced it and things got better.
You know what I mean?
So look what he did to Job.
So I think a lot of people, most of us, we have to be pushed down, cut down, I should say, to understand what's going on and understand things what God wants us to do.
Then he builds you back up again.
So that was what Paul, yeah.
I can relate to when it is a thorn in the side to what Paul is referring to.
I've been through many, many things in the last six years, so infirmities and all that.
So I can totally relate to what Paul was relating to in as far as the thorn in the side and being refined, you know, going through the fire and being redefined, you know, not redefined, but refined and in the fire and come out is that you've learned to walk a walk of obedience and get, you know, even though things might not look the same on the physical stance, spiritually stronger and able to overcome things in a different light now.
So, you know, that's that's why I enjoy the teachings of Paul, the endure to the end kind of thing, you know, even if there's something that is so beyond as far as trying to climb that high mountain and you think it's not even obtainable, the father almighty God and Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit can guide you in truth and get you through that endeavor, like whatever's going on in infirmity.
You can get through it or you can learn to adapt.
I got a question on my end.
It's just one here from Craig Hayden.
Brother David, do you think Adam and Eve go back to 8,000 BC due to the biblical gaps in the genealogies?
Well, according to Henry Morris, who was the father of the Young Earth movement and the real sticklers there in the Young Earth movement, they insist on the date of creation, 4004 BC.
And Mr. Morris admitted, and I've got his book, The Genesis Record, I've referred to this many times.
He points out, and rightly so, that there are gaps in the genealogies in the records there in the book of Genesis, and that this could allow for, he said that, in his opinion, the farthest it could be pushed back would be 8 to 10,000 BC.
But absolutely, I believe this is possible.
And even Henry Morris, the father of the Young Earth movement, he also allowed for that also.
And a lot, it's really kind of bizarre.
But there are people in the Young Earth movement that just almost put people in hell for not believing that 4004 BC date.
And it's real interesting that the guy that started it said it could be as far back as 8 to 10,000.
So there you go.
Yes, I do believe that.
Any more questions?
I had another question here.
There's a question about, have you read the Dadache?
And yes, I have read the Dadache.
And this is a book that would be classified in the group of writings called the Apostolic Fathers.
And it was written maybe even before the book of Revelation.
And basically what this is, it's not scripture, but it was widely used in the early church like as a handbook for churches.
And it's a, I like it.
I've enjoyed the Dadache and I've referred to it several times.
And it's one of the genuine writings that comes down to us from first and early second century Christianity.
So we are familiar with that.
And it's a pretty nifty writing.
There's another question here, David.
Let's see here.
Jennifer says, Who do you believe the two witnesses are?
And do you believe it may be a different scenario than two people?
Well, on the two witnesses, it says that the two witnesses are the two candlesticks, and the seven candlesticks are described as the seven churches.
Now, it's interesting that when you analyze the letters to the seven churches in the book of Revelation, there were two that the Lord did not rebuke or have anything bad to say about, the church of Philadelphia and the church of Smyrna.
And these represent two kinds of believers that will make up this last day remnant.
The poor, you know, there's going to be a lot of just poor folks that don't fit in the religious system that God is going to use.
And those in Philadelphia, those are those that had the revelation.
The last of Revelation 3 talks about the church of Philadelphia and Revelation 4 and 1 talks about going through that open door.
They have revelation from God and they understand what is going on.
Now, I believe it will be two individuals as well as representing two groups of people.
And my opinion, for whatever it's worth, I believe that the two witnesses will be Enoch and Melchizedek.
And I believe they will be back and I believe they will show up.
I do not believe that Elijah, who is popularly believed to be one of them, Jesus said about Elijah when John the Baptist came, he was referring to the last verses in the Old Testament in Malachi that he would send Elijah before the great day of the Lord.
Well, Jesus said, this is Elijah, if you'll receive it.
And I do receive it.
So I believe that on what Christ said, that that's fulfilled about Elijah.
But I also had a, I asked a trivia question about what was another.
So I would say, and, you know, and some say Moses, but, you know, Moses died and the Lord buried him.
And it was Enoch and Elijah and Melchizedek were the three that never saw death.
But there was another non-canonical book that put forth another candidate as one of the two witnesses.
We brought this up a couple of times.
Does anybody know who the other one was?
And I'll just tell you, in the book of 2 Baruch, it makes the claim that Baruch will come back as one of the two witnesses.
Now, I don't believe that, but it's interesting.
And that is out there in 2 Baruch, which I believe was written by a godly individual.
So there you go.
That's our two cents worth.
Any thoughts on the two witnesses, Brian and Dan?
Yeah, I mean, because I did a show not too long ago, and I was torn between either, I didn't even think about Melchizedek.
You propose a good case for that.
Enoch and Elijah or Enoch and Moses and Moses and Enoch.
So the only thing that swayed for a while, though, is Enoch and Elijah, because they didn't face death.
But the only thing that persuaded me a little bit toward Moses and the other thing, too, like you said, he did witness stuff.
So because the Bible does say you're appointed to death once, you know what I mean?
So Enoch and Elijah didn't get that.
They're going to get the death after the 1,260 days and 42 months.
Then they're going to be resurrected.
But for a while, because of the transfiguration, when Jesus talked to Elijah and Moses, for a while, that kind of convinced me it would be them two.
But you brought up a great case.
I completely forgot about Melchizedek.
He is no record of him even dying.
So, you know what I mean?
Yeah, it's a good, and I don't know about Baruch either, but yeah, that opens the door for more, you know what I mean?
Either way, whoever it is, the Bible says in Revelation 11, that these two witnesses are prophets.
So it could be one of these cameras that's there, like David said.
So now that you're putting Melchizedek into the picture, yeah, it's yeah, it's going to make me think about this for a while.
But either way, whoever they are, they're going to glorify the Lord.
They're going to be here for 42 months.
It's 1,260 days during the tribulation.
No, you're not going to be raptured before the tribulation.
And they're going to be here, and Satan's going to have the power to kill them.
They're going to party over the dead bodies.
Then they're just going to get up and walk away and send to heaven again.
Make the world at war.
Like scared crap.
When these people that have been laying in the streets dead, people celebrating over their bodies.
Then all of a sudden they're just going to get up, brush the dirt off, and walk away.
And that's going to scare the heck out of the whole world.
It really is.
So whoever they are, I can't wait to see them.
Well, here's my take on this.
I remember seeing something and listening to something not too well.
It was a little while back, seven years ago, maybe, maybe a little longer than that.
I remember there was this thing.
I don't know if it's speculation or conspiracy or what have you, but there was a gentleman that I forgot the gentleman's name.
Supposedly was getting stalked by federal agents or, you know, something that level that military personnel, what have you, there was a gentleman that started going online saying, hey, he knew when the two witnesses were going to show up, or there was some type of narrative going on across the internet of things at the time.
He was claiming that his life was in danger and everything.
And he figured out the two witnesses would be coming here soon.
I think it would be in a 10-year timeframe, if I'm not mistaken.
He said that he knew the location and everything.
He had it specific longitude, latitude, and that these two witnesses were coming.
And he swore up and down by it.
And these, let's just say, three-letter agencies and military personnel sought him out.
And like at two o'clock in the morning, if my memory serves me correct, he would go to a diner.
And these gentlemen were seeking this man out and wanted to know.
And they were stalking him and literally interviewed him, basically apprehended him there and arrested him for him.
I don't know how that all played out, but I can't remember the gentleman's name.
But it's fascinating to me when I process this, especially what's going on in 2025 here.
And then we got the war and all this, I mean, craziness going on, right?
Wars and rumors of wars.
You have all the political thing and all this stuff going down.
It's crazy, right?
So I have just to kind of segue back off this question.
You two, Dan and David, do you guys think that we are close to the two witnesses coming?
Are we like days away, years away, you know, a thousand years away?
What do you think?
Because it's fascinating that to even ponder on the idea that the two witnesses could be in the street, like Dan just said earlier.
And could we be on the prefaces of that happening?
Could it be on the cusp of something insane getting ready to happen?
And that's why there's like all this disruption in the heavenly luminaries, and you know, especially the things that's going on on the face of the earth, one would have to wonder really what's going on.
So do you think, David, Dan, that the two witnesses are close to coming back right now, or is it going to be something in a far future?
Well, go ahead, Dan.
I was going to say, it's like, I believe so.
We're on the threshold at least anyway, but could be wrong.
But either way, I hope I get to see that.
That'd be just such an astonishing.
And the best thing about this, and why I hope to see this one, because when these people on the street celebrating the death, right, the world's like rejoicing, we stop these two people, right?
And I'm going to be sitting there laughing.
What are you laughing about?
Well, wait to see what happens after this.
Boom, they're going to resurrect and it's going to send the whole world to a culture shock.
And I can't wait for that.
And it'd be because it's like, oh, right there, ready to get you, Satan.
You know what I mean?
I hope I'm alive to see that.
A scripture in Hebrews 7 and 8, which is really one of them that is just really ignored.
But in the chapter of Hebrews 7, Paul's talking about Melchizedek.
And in the eighth verse, he says, and here men that die receive tithes, but there he receiveth them of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
And Paul there in Hebrews 7, 8 maintained that Melchizedek was alive at that time.
Now, this is really wild.
And it's fun to look at Bible commentaries to see what people try to do with this.
But I suspect that in 2 Corinthians chapter 12, where it says that Paul was caught up into the third heaven, that I believe that this is quite likely the time that he witnessed that Melchizedek was alive when he was caught up to heaven.
But this is just really just kind of really a neat, overlooked little thing.
So there it is.
Now, Brian, do you have any more questions?
Did you catch any more there?
There is a few right here.
No, but I was farm off there, young man.
How many do you want to take, Brother David?
Well, I don't know.
Just whip them out there until we're going to be able to do it.
Just keep on keeping them.
That's exactly right.
Whip a few out there.
Give us.
This is an interesting question from JDA Productions.
What's your strategy to minister to Mormons?
Well, we give them the gospel.
And also, we put up quite a bit of material about Mormons on our website.
We've reached out to them.
We've seen Mormons converted.
And it's just like everything else.
It's a matter of peeling the onion.
It's a matter of an individual to begin questioning the foundation of their faith with the many things that are unbiblical and just quite frankly outrageous that we find in the Book of Mormon and also in the history of the Mormons, the angels of death, the Joseph and Brigham.
And so very many things.
So it's just a matter of praying for someone, letting the Holy Spirit lead you and giving them the gospel, the real gospel, the real testament of Jesus Christ and not another one.
But we have done a lot of programs geared toward the Mormons.
We have another one coming up soon.
I know Agent 505 and Dawn, they'll be working on another presentation.
And Dawn was in the Mormon church from childhood for many, many years.
And she came to Christ.
And also, Dan had another lady on his channel that was a converted Mormon.
And she done a great job speaking about ritual abuse and a lot of things.
So, you know, it's just like anyone else.
You know, we try to inform people about Mormonism and we just try to love them.
You know, we love Mormons and we hate Mormonism.
So we just try to reach out to them any way the Holy Spirit will allow us to.
And what I did is actually a few weeks ago I was at the mall and two, you know, gentlemen came over to me, young guys.
Hey, how you doing?
And I knew who they were automatically.
It's like, have you heard about Joseph Smith in the book of, it's like, yes, I did.
It's like, I'd say, you know, it's letting you guys know I'm not bashing you guys or anything like that.
It's like, I'm a believer in Jesus Christ.
And oh, that's awesome.
And I just gave them a little, it's like, oh, do your own research.
Okay.
Go research.
So you have any idea of Freemasonry is not really.
And I just gave them the rundown of Joseph Smith.
I said, don't believe me, go look for yourself.
It's on record, you know what I mean?
And I say, just do this as the Bible says not to try and engineer other doctrines, right?
I gave him some of those verses and everything else that, you know, and I said, if you read the book of Matthew alone, it's got to derail the entire book of Mormons.
And I said, I encourage you to do that on your own time and pray to the Holy Spirit to give you witness.
I said, that's all I have to say to you, but I'm very well aware of Joseph Smith and the Mormons.
Thank you for your time and God bless you guys.
So they're like, all right, we'll check that out.
And hopefully it plants a seed.
You know what I mean?
That's all you could do.
I mean, you can't.
I wouldn't suggest to slam the door.
They might come to your door or whatever.
Don't slam them.
Don't be rude to them.
These people, they're good people out there.
In fact, they're faithful than most than most Christians.
They really are.
And but it's not that fault.
You know, these people are misled and they need us.
And if you claim to be a Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ, we're supposed to be the lion's, I'm sorry, lion, all right, let me rephrase that, okay?
We're supposed to be the light of the world, all right, against this lion doctrines.
So what you do, instead of just slamming the door in their face or ignoring them, don't do that because it's your job to teach them.
Give them something, a tidbit to say, hey, you need to wake up, you know what I mean, in a good way.
And let them, you know, make them listen kind of with, you know, like because here's the thing: when you tell them something about their own founder, it makes them scratch head and puzzle things.
Then it opens out like that.
You can plant the seed in there and let the Lord work from there.
That's what I'm trying to say here.
I'm a little tired tonight, man.
And it's been a long day, but yeah, man.
And I'm just, I think I'm gearing up right now.
You know, my second adrenaline is kicking in.
But yeah, don't be rude to them at all and just try to witness them.
That's all.
And be very nice to them because they are actually awesome people, wonderful people.
They'll give you the shirt off their back.
But unfortunately, they're following a false doctrine.
Grian, do we have the question from Daughter of Yahweh?
It says she's been waiting for an answer for a long time.
Do you have that question there?
You missed it.
I was getting ready to actually give you all that question.
Yeah.
Thanks for being so.
Let's see what we can do with it.
We might not know the answer.
We'll see.
I wanted to apologize that I did not see it at first, and I do see it now.
So bless you.
And we are going to answer your question.
So here's what was said.
You say son of the morning means morning is an entity.
So son of perdition must mean perdition is an entity.
How can he be son of both entities?
Well, we're talking about two different individuals here.
And in Isaiah chapter 14, when it says Lucifer is the son of the morning, that word in the Hebrew is Shahar.
That was a well-known deity that was worshipped at the time.
The childrenites, the childrenites, the children of Israel, come into the holy land there.
And he was one of the Canaanite deities, Shahar.
Now, when it talks about the son of perdition, this perdition is from the same root as Apollo.
Apollo Mai, I believe, is the root.
And this speaks to the entity in Revelation 9:11, Apollyon.
And I believe that the son of perdition, I believe perdition is represented as an entity.
And this is literally the Apollyon of Revelation 9:11.
So I would believe that both are entities, but it's two different entities.
Isaiah chapter 14 would present Lucifer as a Nephilim, which is contrary to the idea that most people have about him.
So there's that for you, daughter of Yahweh.
I hope we helped.
And Brian, if you want to go real quick, go to Biblehub.com.
And if you guys want to do it on your own, type in Isaiah 14:12.
It's going to show you every Bible version they got.
And this is where this confusion came from about Lucifer being a morning star.
I think that's what we're talking about, right?
But the NIV says he's a for it says right here, have you fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn, right?
But the King James and all the older Bible say doesn't say he's a morning star.
He said it says, How you fall from heaven?
Oh, Lucifer, son of the morning.
So now, if you go to the book of Job, when Job talks about the morning stars, which was more than one, many morning stars dancing together, they're angels, right?
So in this, uh, David, uh, for a while, I thought Lucifer was Satan, but when David pointed this out, then when I read this here, that he's a son of a morning, that he's the son of an angel, that means it makes him a what?
A Nephilim.
So David's dead on with that, man.
And that's crazy how we just like read things without even investigating them.
So the NIV, the New England translation, all call him a morning star.
He's not a morning star.
He's a son of the morning.
So that's where a lot of these people think that Jesus and Satan are the same thing.
You know, the Lucifer, I mean, they're not, you know what I mean?
And that's because of the confusion with these garbage apostate Bible versions.
You know what I mean?
And BibleHub.com, guys, you type in the Bible verse, it shows you every verse in every translation.
And you'll see for yourself.
It's crazy how they, you know, just one little word like that, how they could just literally desecrate our Savior.
You know, it's sickening, really is.
Definitely.
And just that's a great point there.
And is that a big deal?
Well, it is to me and it is to God.
It is to Jesus.
In Revelation 22, 16, I, Jesus, Jesus is speaking here.
I, Jesus, have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright and morning star.
Jesus says he's the bright and morning star.
These false translations say Lucifer is the morning star.
And like Dan said, this is where we have this confusion like is taught in Mormonism that, you know, Jesus and Lucifer are brothers.
And this is just really, it's really a big deal.
This should make you out of the wrong Bible and into the King James Bible, which is the real one.
And I understand people because they go, oh, it's hard to read in the NIV, the NIV, whatever.
It's easy to read.
Easier doesn't mean it's right.
You know what I mean?
Easier, they can manipulate things.
So in the King James, it's not that hard.
You need to take your time.
You take your time, you don't understand.
And look and keep the dictionary open, put biblical meaning of a word in Google, whatever.
Make sure it's biblical meaning.
If you don't understand what a word means, go look it up.
It adds the whole thing, the context of it.
So do that.
And it's not hard.
And the thing is, you're not supposed to speed through the Bible anyway.
Oh, I just got to get this done because Mike Chot says I got to read Matthew chapter five.
You know, take your time doing it.
And every word you don't understand, I don't care what word it is.
I don't care if you feel you're going to be dumb and you're frightening your Bible group.
No, say, hey, listen, what's that word mean?
Because that one word could change the entire outcome of the context.
And that's very important to do.
That's why the Bible needs to be, it's not a race.
You need to take your time.
And it's a study, in-depth study.
And it opens up like, oh man, I tell you, the things that open up by the scripture when you do that, it's amazing.
And the Holy Spirit really brings it home for you.
And you understand things like you read one chapter all your life, right?
And when you read it that way, it's a whole new, it's amazing.
Amen.
Well, let's do one more, Brian.
This one's a really good question, too.
So I held it to the last anyway.
So this is a good one.
It's from Johnny Kirk.
So, you know, with all the stuff going on in the East, this is a really good question to end the broadcast off with.
There are many mental, excuse me, there are many mental, I said mental, middle Eastern countries right there around the conflict of Israel and Iran that represent the colors of the four horsemen in the Bible.
Could the horsemen represent these countries?
And forgive me for butchering that.
So, well, let me turn to that Revelation chapter 6.
I think we see a definite connection in the sixth chapter here of the book of Revelation.
And when it talks here about the pale horse in Revelation chapter 6 and verse 8, and I looked and behold a pale horse.
And if you look that up in your strongest concordance, it'll show you that that is the Greek word chloros, where the word chlorophyll and green come from.
And it's literally, and it means a pale green, a pale horse, and his name that sat on him was death, and hell followed with him.
And notice here in the King James, death and hell are capitalized, their proper names.
And what we have in view here are the two beasts of Revelation 13.
Death and hell followed with him, and power was given unto him over a fourth part of the earth.
Now, green, the green crescent, represents Islam.
And if you would do the statistics, guess what part of the earth's population is Muslim?
One-fourth.
And it says that power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth to kill with sword, with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
And I believe that most definitely that that green horse, and I believe the green horse is writing.
And we see so much in the green movement, don't we?
We've got the green new deal.
We've got the, it's a huge thing.
The green new deal and the green movement, it's the number one razor of funds to finance the globalism that we see being pursed out of the WEF.
So we're definitely in the season of the green right now.
That green horse is writing.
And certainly, as we see right now, Islam is playing its role in taking peace from the earth.
And just like was prophesied.
And I don't try to look for good guys and bad guys.
I try to look for, well, of course, what the Bible says.
And you look at the agenda the world wants to accomplish.
And I always think back about the letters from Albert Pike to Giuseppe Mazzini when in the 1800s, they outlined three world wars, World War I and World War II happened just the way it was prophesied.
And they claimed that the Third World War would operate between the Zionist and between radical Islam.
And, you know, every statement just about that comes out of Iran, they vilify the Zionists, the Zionists, the Zionist regime.
And I'm not a Zionist because I do not believe that that piece of real estate in the Middle East is the nation of God.
And I do not believe that anyone is elect because of the way they're born, the color of the skin or their genetics.
But I do believe, and like I say, I'm not a hater.
I believe Jewish people have a right to believe and live what they want to in safety.
I believe that they have a right to defend themselves.
But I do not believe that Israel is the nation of God, you know, clearly.
And I'll read the scripture because we've talked about this a lot, but always we have new listeners all the time.
There's always somebody that hadn't heard this.
So I'll read it again here in the 21st chapter of Matthew.
And here again, this is something that is very clear-cut and definitive in Matthew, the 21st chapter.
And we'll get down here to verse 43.
And we'll read verse 42.
Jesus saith unto them, and he's dealing here again with the Pharisees, Jesus saith unto them, did ye never read the scriptures?
The stone which the builders rejected, the same has become the head of the corner.
This is the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes.
Therefore say I unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
So what nation was it given to?
And we also have a clear example in the word of God.
I'll turn here to 1 Peter, the second chapter.
And it says here in verse 6, where he's quoting here the words of Christ.
It says here in verse 6, wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief cornerstone, elect precious, and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
And of course, that's Jesus.
Unto you, therefore, which believe, he is precious.
But unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner and a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient whereunto also they were appointed.
But ye speak unto the believers in Christ, but ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood and holy nation, a peculiar people, that ye should shoe forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into the marvelous light.
And this is the enforcement of the warning that God gave unto Israel through Moses back in Exodus in the 19th chapter and in the 15th verse.
And he told them plainly, and so many, this is one of the many ploys that false teachers have.
They'll say the unconditional promises, the unconditional covenant, if God would take it away, he'd be a liar.
Well, I mean, just, it's just, that just irritates me.
I'm sorry.
But Exodus chapter 19 and beginning in verse 5, whenever you see a condition here, just raise your hand and wave at me.
Now, therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed and keep my covenant.
Now, there's two right there.
If you'll obey and keep the covenant, then, if and then, ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people, for all the earth is mine, and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priest and a holy nation.
These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
And it was a warning.
It was a promise with a warning.
And there's many promises in the word of God, but every promise has a condition.
And one of the greatest ploys of false teachers, they'll tell you the promises, but not the conditions.
So there you go.
That is why Israel is no longer the nation of God.
We are the nation of God.
We're a nation without borders.
You know, we're not doctors without borders.
We're a nation without borders.
And we're so thankful that anyone that is born again, you're in that great big Israel of God.
And we're so thankful for all of you that spent a little bit of time hanging out with us tonight.
And I'm so thankful for Dan always for coming on.
We always enjoy it.
Absolutely.
And for Brian.
Brian, do you have any final thoughts here on our broadcast tonight before we wrap it up?
And maybe you'd like to say something about ConspiracyCon.
Well, I want to mention something real quick and rewind back to what you were referring to earlier with the green.
You mentioned the World Economic Forum, but how you worded it, how you worded it got me going.
So I vocalize this a lot.
A lot of people don't really have even caught it.
Some people have.
You know, this has been going on for years.
Okay.
I'm going to watch what I say, even though it's 2025.
When a gentleman that is of authority, okay, and he has ties to that three-letter organization, when 2020 happened and all that good stuff, right?
The gentleman proceeds to tell the public to put green light bulbs.
Wait, hey.
Yeah, Home Depot and Lowe's will make sure that you have, I'll never forget this.
Home Depot, Lowe's, all your home improvement places will have abundance of green light bulbs.
I need you to do us a favor.
This is what the individual said.
Put a green light bulb up to mourn the dead.
And that's all I'm going to say.
So for a particular thing, and until this day, 2025, people do this in my good old state.
And I ask myself, why?
And I'm not, you know, I know people's passed away.
That's understandable.
And God rest their souls.
I'm not even talking about that.
I'm talking about the action, the money, the investment, the psychological concept when it comes to the reality of the folks to go buy green light bulbs.
And to this day, you can't get rid of the green light bulb.
You still go get a new one to replace it.
So I don't know about you two, but that really resonates what you said.
It's very eerie, David, what you spoke about earlier.
And if that's even signaling something to activating demonically controlled mechanisms, portals, what have you, to me, that is so nefarious and evil.
And an evil intention has to be with it because that green resonates with me.
You know, emerald tablets and then what you just referred to earlier.
Oh, yeah.
There's some very interesting things with that indeed.
And why would the man do that?
Why would he do that?
That's my question.
I really want to know.
Why would you put the investment and have the emergency order to go ship a bunch of green light bulbs and have a higher manufacturing rate for people to literally build light bulbs?
And then everybody and their cousin put a green light bulb up.
And like literally, neighborhoods are lit up like a Christmas tree.
So I'm just asking, what's your take on that, David, what you referred to earlier?
Because that might be signaling.
I don't know.
I mean, yeah, this could very well be a spiritual signature there, couldn't it?
And, you know, I think all the way back to Mikhail Gorbachev, and he started the green cross in Russia.
So, you know, this is something that's out there, but, you know, there's a spiritual signature, I believe, to those things, Brian.
And also, I want to say that it has nothing whatsoever to do with my green shirt.
No, it doesn't.
I wear my green shirt because Donna bought it for me and I like it.
That's why I wear my green shirt.
But anyway, we're just very thankful for all of you that were part of the broadcast tonight.
Much thanks to Brother Dan.
And much thanks to Brian, as always, for all he does to make this, to make it possible.
And I just hope there's somebody out there tonight that needs to hear how great Jesus is, that Jesus is a prayer way.
If you will repent and believe the gospel, just say, God, be merciful to me, a sinner.
Repent of your sin.
Place your faith in the death of Christ upon the cross as payment for your sin debt.
You can have new birth and eternal life.
Amen.
Amen.
Can I add one thing quickly?
Yes, you sure can.
Because I know everybody's worried, you know, because there was all the junk going on TV.
Israel getting bombed, Iran getting bombed.
Whose side do I take?
What do I stand with?
You don't stand with any of these people.
All right.
Because, and I don't mean to sound mean, guys, but we can't say I stand with Israel.
I stand with this one, whatever.
You need to stand with Jesus Christ because you've got to understand every one of these countries, guys, this is a grand stage.
This is nothing but a Hollywood gig.
You're seeing unfolding in front of your face.
And when David mentioned the Albert Pike letter to Giuseppe Manzini, this was August 15th of 1871.
He outlines, this is not a prophecy.
This is Illuminati's plans to the T and outlines in the Third World War about this exactly everything that's going on causing division, people taking sides.
It is to the T, to the letter of what's going on today.
And again, it's not a prophecy that plans.
This is the Illuminati's plans for very long ago, fulfilling today, today.
So, and the other thing too, Rothschild, right?
They control every country except for Iran, one of the only fields.
So put that into perspective.
So, and if you go through history with the French Revolution, it was the Rothschild who staged the French Revolution.
You know what I mean?
So, to gain control of Rance.
You know what I mean?
That was all staged to do that.
And we could go on forever with this history.
But if you want to check that letter out, go ahead and get it.
It's not a prophecy that plans to unfold three world wars to bring about a new world order.
And that's exactly what it's being laid out.
If you watch, if you read World War I, World War II, it played out exactly like this.
And again, this is 1871.
They plan this.
And World War III is happening right before our eyes.
But don't be dismayed by it.
But Jesus says, Matthew 24, wars, rumors, awards, don't be dismayed by it, but be of good cheer because I forgot where that came from.
But basically, don't let the stuff bother you.
I'm just trying to say it because this has to happen.
And the good news out of they can make all the prophecies or plans that all they want.
Guess what?
Because it's going to be a short time because Jesus says he will cut those days short for the sake of us.
And when he does, these people are going to pay a heavy price, guys.
So do not be afraid what you see on TV.
Don't be afraid, oh, nuclear annihilation, this, that, and the other thing.
Don't worry about it because put your trust and faith in the Lord.
And this is even more you need to get out there, preach the word of God.
And if you can't speak, type something, you know, do leave a track somewhere, you know, do something, you know what I mean, in the name of the Lord.
That's it.
And again, don't be afraid because God says we need to be bold and brave.
You know what I mean?
That's all through the scriptures.
We need to be bold and brave and stand even in the face of evil if we have to to proclaim the word of God.
And it's going to come that time, guys.
And we all know what the tribulation brings upon us.
So, and but they know what brings upon them when Jesus returns.
So look forward to that.
So I'm done speaking.
And David and Brian and Brian too, man, all the work that he does.
I don't think people realize.
They see faces like me, David, John.
And I know Brian does this show too, but the work that goes on in the background, man.
I mean, the producing and the post-production and everything.
It is a lot of work out there.
So we're not sitting out children's.
I mean, I'm sorry, our mother's basement.
I wish I was, actually, but that means she'll be alive.
But, you know, we're not doing that.
We got like legit studios to try to bring the best we can to you guys, the word of God, you know.
So we're doing everything we can to do that.
And it's a struggle.
It really is.
So the stuff that Brian does in the background, people don't even know about.
I mean, without him, half these shows wouldn't even get off.
You know what I mean?
They wouldn't.
And thank you so much, Brian.
I love you, man.
And all of you too, David.
Yeah, bless you, Dan.
Sister Donna, too.
We got to give her credit because she's a major background.
Donna and Rebecca.
Rebecca, chat.
Absolutely.
Appreciate it so much.
Well, I wanted to thank you, Bill O'Connell, too.
The Lord dedication.
Brother Bill.
I wanted to put all our shows.
Amen.
I wanted to plug in SpiracyCon real quick one more time here.
But yeah, thank you, Brother Dan, for the kind words.
I just try to be a good servant and do the best I can for all the ministries.
And thank you all for the listeners out here, too.
And bless you, David and Donna and Brother Dan.
But speaking of Brother David's tea or his lovely t-shirt that Donna bought him, he needs to wear it for SpiracyCon.com.
He needs to wear it when we go to SpiracyCon on August the 22nd, 23rd.
And check out SpiracyCon.com.
And David will wear his green t-shirt or his green dress shirt and his tie on the 22nd of August.
I'm just kidding.
But yeah, he will be there for SpiracyCon.
Help us out with that.
Go to Facebook, SpiracyCon, Facebook, like, follow all that.
Keep updates.
We got periodically, we put updates for speakers.
We're literally two months.
It's two months from this day.
Two months.
We've got two months.
We got 60 days and counting.
The timer is on the clock.
We countdown is begin.
So spiracycon.com, check it out.
We've got general mission tickets out.
VIP tickets, unfortunately, are sold out.
But yeah, all three on this panel tonight and Brother John and other speakers will be there at the event.
So check it out if you get an opportunity.
And the QR codes on the screen there.
Facebook's the very top.
And then the bottom is the SpiracyCon.com.
So check out the general mission tickets.
Tickets are still on sale, all that good stuff.
I want to welcome vendors if you get an opportunity to check it out.
We have a vendors section at the website where you can apply for an application to be a vendor for that event and really looking forward to that.
And all vendors, there's a lot of vendors that I've actually spoken to and seen in the real life.
So it's really neat to know a face with the company name.
So bless you guys.
We want to welcome all of them.
And then welcome everybody if you want to hang out with us.
You know, like John Pounder said the other night, it's all snuggled in Mammoth Cave area.
So if you've never been to the Mammoth Cave area in the heart of Kentucky, it's pretty neat.
Well, I wouldn't say heart, but it's over on the left side of Kentucky, Southern Side.
But it's a beautiful place.
You guys really enjoyed it.
We got a tour with Brother David with VIP, VIP people that pay tickets.
We're going to have Brother David do a tour of Kentucky Stonehenge.
Got a lot of different things going on, a lot of exciting things.
We're going to have Rainer Shine vendors on the outdoors, and then we're going to have vendors indoors.
Gonna have a lot of extra activities on the outdoors.
And we're going to have speakers about every 45 minutes.
I mean, we're jam-packed with entertainment.
And if you want to see us there in the flesh and see us there, we're going to have a speaker section where everybody will get to see us.
What have you when it comes to VIP people and what have you?
It's going to be an interesting time for fellowship and a lot of different, unique, diverse speakers to come to that event.
I'm really looking forward to it.
And then what a lot of people have to say, a lot of people come from different occupations.
And especially Brother David, he's got a lot of knowledge, 40 years plus of preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ.
And I know he's got something up his sleeve as far as a really good presentation for that event.
So you don't want to miss that.
Did you talk about the main event?
The main event.
You know, wrestling Sasquatch.
Well, Listen, I've been going to wrestle the Sasquatch.
No, it's going to, no, it's I've changed my mind on it.
Uh, Chewy or Chewbacca or Harry, he done took the day off for August.
It's going to be too hot.
Me and Dan are the northern and the southern are going to wrestle it out in the middle of the parking lot.
I think I can do it, man.
Even you got a thousand-pound club.
I'm a little weak.
I'm a little weak, you know, the last six years, but Milkman can do a lot.
Okay.
So give me some time to get ready for that.
I'll start bench pressing about two or three hundred pounds right now.
Yeah, well, Whataburger's across the state line in Tennessee?
We shall figure that out.
But, anyways, we're ranting on here.
But I want to thank you both for your time.
And, Brother Dan, it's always a pleasure for you to come on here on FOJC Underground Church.
And we're just honored to have you here tonight.
And what a blessing it is.
I want to just give a big shout out to everybody out there that's attending with us tonight.
Hit that like button, share this thing out, and just bless you guys for being a part of the FOJC community.
We really, really appreciate it.
And everybody's just being such good questions.
There's such good questions tonight.
And there's a lot of them that we couldn't even gather.
Okay.
So we couldn't even gather them all up.
So I appreciate it.
Hopefully, next time, hold that question for the next time we do question and errors.
Questionnaire.
There's my Kentucky slang.
But questions and answers.
And hopefully, you get an opportunity to display those on caps the next time around.
So I just want to thank you both.
And David, I'll give you the floor to end us out of here tonight.
But once again, subscribe, share it out, and bless you guys for being part of this broadcast tonight.
And see you on the next one for sure.
And I imagine probably Sasquatch backed out of that one.
He probably just didn't want a part of Dan.
That's probably what's going to happen.
But anyway, let's ask everyone to do us a favor before we close this broadcast.
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