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Truth Radio Interviews Anonymous April 5th, 2011 Part 1 of 4

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	No matter how hard you try, you can't stop us now!
	No matter how hard you try, you can't stop us now!
	And welcome back to Truth Radio on our third hour of our April 5th, 2011 edition.
	And we've got Anonymous on the phone.
	And guys, how are you doing today?
	Well, ladies and gentlemen, I should say.
	Kevin Zeese, I'm happy to be here.
	It's a pleasure having you.
	It's a pleasure having you guys on.
	First question a lot of people want to know, what is anonymous?
	Well, anonymous is a lot of things and I don't know if I'm qualified to speak for the whole.
	There's a vast amount of people globally that are anonymous and my understanding is of the history that None of this has been around as long as the computer has been.
	And that it started off on some of the...
	Japanese boards long ago where there was no censorship at all and people could write and place whatever they would like on the computer and if you didn't like it you just moved on to the next and over time that's been changed as more regulations are being placed on computers and freedom of information and Anonymous has grown from there.
	I would say different interests, but the same thread that runs through Anonymous globally is freedom of information and that we're against all censorship.
	And with Wikileaks and Julian Assange, Anonymous found a similarity of support, supporting freedom of speech and freedom of information.
	Since then there's been quite a bit going on with HBGary and the federal government and investigations into Wikileaks and now Anonymous.
	There was supposed to be another Anon here that could give more details about Anonymous, but I would say that's the basics of it.
	There's no leader, there's no group.
	Right.
	I'm not an anonymous member myself.
	I'm a lawyer and I run a project called ComeHomeAmerica.us which deals with anti-war issues and It'sOurEconomy.us which is dealing with economic issues.
	And one of the projects that we're involved in is one called Stop the Chamber.
	And that's how I first ran across Anonymous.
	H.P.
	Gary, which Anonymous mentioned, when H.P.
	Gary said they were going to expose Anonymous as leaders, which really didn't make much sense, they said that, but once they said that, Some anonymous folks attacked the H.B.
	Gary website.
	H.B.
	Gary is a private security contractor.
	And they downloaded 70,000 emails from the CEO of H.B.
	Gary.
	And those emails were included emails that described a plot by the Chamber of Commerce, Hunt & Williams, which is a law firm that represents major corporations and lobbies for them in Washington, D.C., and three private security companies led by H.B.
	Gary.
	And in those emails were a series of emails describing a plot to go after groups that were critical of the Chamber of Commerce, and we had a project called Stop the Chamber, stopthechamber.org, it still exists, and we were one of their targets.
	It was going to be a cyber attack, you know, on our website, putting out fake documents, having fake people contact us, monitoring our activities, reporting our activities, Oh yeah, that's part of the PSYOPS program.
	They think they're going to scare you with their tactics.
	I'm sorry, go ahead.
	And that's been going on all over the world, too.
	These attacks on some of the anonymous boards, the AnonOps board in Russia.
	It's constantly getting hit and attacked and taken down.
	And one of the things that HBGary did, too, was Aaron Barr, he infiltrated Anon's online and went into the IRC and started taking names and making a big report that he was going to turn over and sell to the FBI.
	This kind of monitoring that people talk about is truly happening within Anonymous and other activists that are pro-peace, against the war, for freedom of speech.
	It's hard now not to be online.
	And that's also one of the things of being anonymous.
	It's just how can you be online?
	How can you have your freedom of speech?
	without the fear of being monitored and everything that you say or write being gathered somewhere to be used against you.
	Well, you've got Cal Sunstein, Obama's science, they've been calling to try to shut down the Internet because the Internet is, right now, technically, the only thing left of freedom of speech, and you've got these Obama's science arts calling, the United Nations calling to shut down the Internet.
	And, you know, thanks to people like you out there plugging all over the world to put a stop to these corrupt bugs I mean, it's insane.
	The Internet really does scare them.
	Yeah, it does.
	The activities of Wikileaks and Anonymous and other groups that are really active that way are really changing the debate.
	They're changing the information flow.
	They're challenging the corporate media.
	They're really democratizing the media and creating transparency around governments and private corporations.
	That scares them.
	They really know that the Americans know what's going on in their name around the world.
	Americans know the corruption of the banking industry, that the signs of revolt that we're already seeing are going to grow tremendously.
	And so they want to shut people down.
	That's why I think they went after Julian Assange, the editor-in-chief of the media outlet WikiLeaks.
	That's why Anonymous came to his defense.
	We're right now in the midst of a battle, a critical battle in the history of mankind about information and whether or not government's going to be transparent, whether big business is going to be transparent, whether individuals will have their privacy, and whether we'll have any power in the discourse and in the information flow.
	And I think Anonymous and WikiLeaks are really two outlets that are making a gigantic difference.
	Oh, they are.
	They're making a huge difference.
	I mean, like, uh, I've seen the WikiLeaks stuff, um, anonymous stuff all over the internet.
	Um, now even mainstream has no choice.
	They bring up them once in a while.
	They try to hide it their best, but, you know, when you push and push enough, mainstream media has no choice but to bring, but when they bring these guys up, they'll demonize you.
	And, um, you know what I mean?
	I'm sorry?
	That goes on all the time.
	And when mainstream media does write about anonymous, you'll see a lot of times that they call it a hacktivist group or hacker group.
	I mean, that's the most common term that's been used.
	And the reality is, is that there's not that many people that are that talented or smart that know how to hack.
	And there's a huge difference between hacking and doing DDOS.
	attacks or LOIC attacks, which is basically like flooding a fax machine of just using the data line.
	Nobody goes into your computer and takes any data.
	Nobody damages your computer.
	It's more like an online sit-in.
	It's like how you would have a protest and go to a congressman's office and sit in their office and hold hands and sing songs and get attention to issues or hanging a banner.
	It's the same thing when you go online and take down a website for a while that is unusable or that if you use a fax machine and just keep pushing redial that They can't use the fax machine.
	It only lasts as long as somebody's sending that data to that other line.
	So the way that it's been described in the media is that anonymous is something to be really frightened of, that we're going to go into everybody's computers and steal all their information.
	And even with Operation Payback, Again, that was just shutting them down and seeing the strength in opposition.
	Nobody took any money from Visa or MasterCard or PayPal.
	It was just a matter that they were inofferable for a while, that they got the message that Anonymous is a legion, a worldwide legion, and that they can't stop them.
	Exactly.
	I first met Anonymous speaking here.
	Operation called Operation... Operation Want.
	Oh yeah, that was going to be my next question.
	I'm sorry.
	What is Operation Want?
	Sorry to steal it from you.
	No, I'm sorry.
	Operation Want is a think tank operation.
	It's an operation to gather information and figure out why Sweden is going after Julian Assange on these bizarre sex charges.
	I was contacted by Operation Want because I'd written a great deal about Bradley Manning.
	I'm on the Bradley Manning Support Network.
	And I'd also written a great deal about WikiLeaks and Julian Assange.
	And so I was contacted because of that.
	And it's not an operation to hack operations.
	It's not an operation to sit in or overwhelm any websites.
	Nothing like that.
	Skills or involvement in that kind of activity, but I am interested in trying to get to the facts on various issues.
	This arrest of Julian Assange for questioning in a consensual sex case is just so strange on its face.
	Sweden has a very poor record of prosecuting sex charges to begin with, but they've never done an international warrant to get someone to answer sex charges.
	Interpol has never done it before.
	Well, and to do it as a red list, too.
	Yeah.
	Not even Gaudel, not even Harris are put on red list the way that they went after Assange of putting him on the red list.
	And I'll explain a little bit about Operation Want.
	What happened was, there's several people, several anons, that There have been Wikileaks supporters, and we all wanted to know what is really going on with Sweden.
	What does the U.S.
	really want?
	And this was before it became very clear that the U.S.
	had already started an investigation into WikiLeaks and had also asked Twitter for the accounts or subpoenaed Twitter for the accounts of known WikiLeaks supporters and people who used to work at WikiLeaks.
	So we decided let's find out.
	And having this whole global network of Anons, we were able to find some of the best researchers and investigative reporters or writers in the world to come together and start pulling all of the data together.
	And we decided let's use the research method of follow the money.
	That's usually where you can really find the culprit or near suspects.
	And we started off with just taking all of the Stockholm Sweden cables.
	I would say there's over 50 of them.
	And we read them, and we did our own assessments, and we made the assessments similar to the way that Daniel Ellsberg did it, identifying the wants and the don't-wants.
	What do the people want, and what don't they want?
	And we did that between the U.S.
	and Sweden, deciphering each cable.
	And then after we did that, we rotated it through again of all the researchers and said, let's get a second pair of eyes.
	Are we correct in our assessments?
	So, when this was done, then we went through and identified everything.
	Okay, here's a table about Gripen fighters and that Sweden wants the ASA radars.
	Now, who is Gripen?
	Who makes the Gripen fighters?
	Well, that took us to the Saab group.
	And so then we went back to the Saab Group.
	Well, who owns the Saab Group?
	Yeah, they're a public company.
	But who has the major shares?
	Who controls the company?
	And it took us to the Wallenbergs of Sweden, who are, well, that's interesting.
	Okay, we got Wallenberg here.
	Then there was the other about Sweden having an agreement.
	...with the United States to collect data on citizens, basically to spy on them, and to share that data with the U.S.
	And the U.S.
	had gone to Sweden and said, we would like to make this a formal agreement, not a voluntary one.
	And the politicians were like, hey, we can't do that because this is in violation of the Swedish Constitution.
	We can't really spy on our citizens.
	And if this got out, we wouldn't get re-elected.
	So that was big news, and of course these things made the US and Sweden very angry at Wikileaks.
	But we looked at this and said, how would Sweden spy on its citizens?
	How would they go about doing this?
	Ericsson Telephone is owned by Investor AB and Wallenberg.
	Saab Group was Investor AB and Wallenberg.
	So there we got two.

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