Jon Stewart and the host dissect the 1991 "Alien Interview Tape," asserting it depicts a Tau Ceti clone named Sabre filmed by the Defense Intelligence Agency at Area 51. They weigh evidence like the red Kmart stool, unidentifiable heartbeat traces, and Carthusian monk involvement against lighting flaws and missing press suits. After investigating whistleblower Victor and receiving anonymous warnings about Project Looking Glass, Stewart concludes with 99% certainty the government created the footage, likely as a PSYOP following the 1996 Brazil crash, suggesting the tape is a strategic deception rather than genuine extraterrestrial contact. [Automatically generated summary]
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Unauthorized Viewing Confirmed00:04:39
I can conclusively say that this was filmed by the government.
I found out that they were there asking their set of questions, that there was literally a conga line of three letter agency people waiting to go into that interview suite to ask that being questions.
We found a person that claims, a woman that claims she transcribed the index cards into notes.
And I will tell you what she said about this being.
What he did was forwarded me an email that was sent to him from someone he knew inside the DIA.
And it says here's what I know about that film.
It was classified as an unauthorized viewing.
This film was filmed on April 22, 1991, at 3 15 in the afternoon, on behalf of the Department of Naval Intelligence, coordinated by the Defense Intelligence Agency.
He said it was a clone extraterrestrial biological entity type 2 from the Tau Ceti star system.
Here's where the men in the room.
The first name was Rear Admiral Ned Schaefer, Captain Lowell Jacoby.
He becomes Director of DIA, Dr. Craig McPherson, Robert Donovan, Army Intel, Dr. Wilford Webb Wilson.
The next name on the list was Carthusian Monk 1, Carthusian Monk 2.
Yes, we're now in the Da Vinci Code.
There is a monastery in Vermont.
It's called the Charterhouse Transformational Monastery.
I have the picture of this one monk.
He's 91 years old.
I'm going to blow your mind now.
What he said was that remote viewers with the NSA were getting this remote viewing of a white building in the far upper East Coast where members there had the gift.
There was a total of six monks that they used, they were used for counterintelligence.
In the 80s, some of them were brought to S4, asked to do thought projection interviews with these beings.
And he said that he.
He said that.
He said that it took a couple of days to describe how human beings live in our time seconds, minutes, days.
The being did not understand that.
This type of alien, they measure time in their experiences layered on top of each other.
No one, no one on the internet has ever said this before.
If you want to make a general drinking his coffee in the morning spit up, tell him this.
The new designation of aliens is Sabre.
I'm like, like the sword?
He's like, yes, Sabre.
I said, what does that stand for?
He goes, synthetic astrobiological extraterrestrial races.
Don't ever ask about it.
And I am telling you, do not ever bring it up on any of your podcasts or whatnot.
And I don't want you talking about other.
Species other than the grays.
And if you stick to the grays, you will be safe.
I can guarantee it.
My story is I was about 11 years old living in Germany at the time.
My dad was in the military.
He lived off base, and I was walking with a friend the same age, bright daylight, middle of summer.
We were just walking along a housing area for the military families.
So passing by our school and a chapel, and I remember I was just looking at a playground in front of me, and all of a sudden everything went completely pitch black, and I was just staring into.
The inkiest, darkest cave sort of blackness I've ever seen.
And then everything came right back as if someone had switched the light off on the sun and flipped it back off.
If that wasn't strange enough, I turned to tell my friend, and she says, Did you see that?
And the same thing happened to her at the exact same time.
We were excited and scared, ran all the way home, and no one had had the same experience.
Over the years, I've met one or two people that have similar, if not the exact same thing, happened to them.
And they were kids too, so kind of weird.
Ladies and gentlemen, today I am joined by a very special guest, Mr. John Stewart, former pro wrestler, ran for governor of Illinois.
Shared Strange Experiences00:02:34
Like this guy's done it all.
But most of all, you've been extremely vocal in the UFO topic.
Now, we're going to get into a lot of different things today, but the main piece of the pie that I wanted to, and the reason that I wanted to have you on was talking about this.
Alleged real video of an alien that is being interviewed potentially at S4.
And obviously, with the lore behind Bob Lazar and Dan Birch and everything else, all these connections.
So, I wanted to talk to you about that today.
So, first of all, John, thank you so much for joining me.
Thank you for having me.
I told you in our little talk before this, I think you're one of the best podcasts out there.
Your sincerity rings through and comes through the camera.
I'm not, you know, I'm not, Giving you a snow job, you know.
Um, but I was really thought that you could do a great service to my journey, which is all this has ever been.
It's thirty thousand dollars of my money, six and a half going on seven years of my time, and I'm still telling people I've got my hat in my hand, Mr. Magoo, Inspector Clouseau.
I don't know anything, please come help me.
I still got to finish this journey, and and I and I.
I hope you can do justice to that because I have to be honest, I have not maybe at times communicated that to people where they get into a confirmation bias.
There's something that I rub them the wrong way or, and I want to do a little preamble.
And I'm not, the preamble is this, is that folks, what I have said for seven years has never changed.
It is my journey.
That is not BS.
I'm not looking for attention.
I've had attention in my entire life as a pro wrestler, football player, political candidate.
I don't need attention.
And it isn't for money because I'm one of the only UFO reachers that's still in the red.
And it's funny that the fortune telling machine talked about finances because that's what I want.
I'm $30,000 in the hole.
For what?
So I know people like to get into the chat log and this is BS.
And You can say whatever you want about what was shown to me, what was told to me, what I experienced, who I emailed, who I contacted.
That I appreciate.
Healthy Skepticism Matters00:03:30
But tell me the story behind why you think something is not copersetic to help me.
Don't say Jon Stewart's PS.
I am simply the reporter, the journalist telling you, I've been doing this for six and a half years.
Can I please just tell you my story?
That's all I've asked people.
That hasn't translated very well.
And I hope that it does today because I know the way you are, your demeanor, your character.
And I'm really hoping for great things from this podcast.
And I mean that sincerely.
Of course.
Yeah.
And I appreciate you saying that.
You know, skepticism, I think, is healthy.
And I too practice skepticism, and I'm sure you do as well.
I'm a skeptic.
Yeah.
And, you know, it's really helpful.
So, you know, today I will be asking you about a few things that, I might want you to clear up, or even the things that you're skeptical about, about the things you believe in.
But as you know, as you might know on this channel, you know, one of the reasons for this channel isn't to get to the truth necessarily.
I think that'll come with time, but I think it's allowing people to speak, allowing stories to be told, unfiltered, no judgment.
And after that, we can hold up all that sort of anecdotal evidence to the light and see if it connects, see if it.
Absolutely.
You know, see if we're finding points of connection and then forming hypotheses, discussing, you know, trying to dissect it as a community.
But there are definitely detractors out there online that will, you know, simply try to attack your character or will try to simply debunk something out of an opinion or a gut shot.
Right.
And I think it's difficult but healthy to remain balanced in this space specifically because obviously we're looking at anomalies.
You know, we're looking at the anomaly, and within that anomaly, there are a million other anomalies.
And so we're already looking at one.
Where do we draw the line between the others?
Right.
And that's where some people, I think, get maybe ruffle feathers in a way that people are like, I'm not ready for that yet.
And that's okay.
I think a A very famed journalist told me six months ago, John, you've got a live being, puppet or not, real or not.
That's a really hard thing for anyone, the media, government, UFO researchers, UFO community, to metastasize and metabolize.
That hit me.
That was like, well, that is a great statement.
We're not talking about a fuzzy saucer in the sky.
We are talking about a very.
Creepy, weird looking being, whatever it is, puppet, interdimensional, off planet, interstellar, that's going to be very hard for people to metabolize in you.
That's what you're facing.
You're facing this confirmation bias of, I'm not ready for this to even remotely be possibly true.
And that's fine, I think, too.
Everybody's on a separate journey.
Some people are still looking at orbs, and some people are looking at Reptilians on the moon.
You know, there's a whole gamut of things to look into in this phenomenon.
So I don't blame people if, you know, the alien interview isn't the first thing they want to see within this phenomenon.
I don't blame them either.
Yeah, go watch The Phenomenon by James Fox.
The Invisibly Filmed Silhouette00:11:04
It's a good, nice, easy way in.
But after you're done with the crafts, you know, let's talk about what I'm interested in.
Let's talk about these aliens.
Let's talk about the pilots.
Yeah, exactly.
Yep.
Okay, so take us back to 19.
I have a.
I know that I just got to.
I got the shivers.
Really?
Yeah, it's because it gives me PTSD.
I've been doing this for six and a half, seven years, and it's, you just did like a hypnotic thing.
Let's go back.
That's what, you know, so that's good.
This is good.
Okay.
This is, these podcasts are my therapy.
And I'm saying that canonly and sincerely.
This is my therapy too of talking through this, begging people to help me.
And it's cathartic.
But I just got a shiver.
So that's good.
That's a good sign.
Yeah.
July 26, 1996, it was a Friday.
This video, this videotape, was then handed by this gentleman, Victor, goes by Victor, to John Coleman, who is a president of Rocket Pictures.
Tom Coleman.
Oh, Tom Coleman, my bad.
Tom Coleman, president of Rocket Pictures, who also created the documentary in 1997, sort of outing this whole story to the world, which predated the obvious interview that happened with.
Art Bell afterwards on the phone, and then the later interview again with Victor, where he shows up, I think a decade later.
Well, what's nice about my research is that I have the backstory and I can tell it now because I put out my documentary, everything's out, which was great, which is great because I can speak to you now and don't have to say, I'll have to tell you in a skiff or something like.
Well, you're in a skiff, so you can tell.
Yeah, I know that.
So about four or five days before.
Candying Tom Coleman the video, we have now since found out that Victor was making the rounds in Hollywood of television studios, trying to sell them this VHS tape.
And by his own admission, and by others that knew of this process at Rocket, these people at these television studios, this guy's a little weird.
He's a little off.
But the biggest reason was no one could guarantee his anonymity.
And Victor speaks of this.
They would not be willing to sign a contract, pay him in cash, and not really use his name.
And.
And he didn't want to be on the video.
This is something no one knows about.
Victor did not want to appear, whether in silhouette or whether in voice change, or Victor did not want to be part of the video.
So, this isn't just him shopping it around and getting turned down.
This is him where his demands weren't met.
Correct.
Okay.
And his security wouldn't be met, which is my first thing, the trial balloon that I throw out there.
And I'm so glad I thought of this.
When this first came out, before you were in the UFO community, everyone in the UFO community told everyone that was interested, including me, in 97, 98, 99, find out who Victor is, you prove the provenance of the video.
If Victor is a paid actor, you know, central casting, video's obviously a hoax.
But if somehow, this is the UFO community, this is why a lot of people run from this.
Like, you don't, don't, don't.
Throw my words back in my face.
The UFO community told me, but if Victor is a government employee, a military person, somebody from an administration, an elected official, a chaplain with the government, wow.
Now we got a whole new ballgame.
So I have been living with this in my back of my head.
Prove, John, prove who Victor is.
And I'm simply asking the first trial balloon.
If you're an actor, are you.
Are you leaving studios because they can't protect your identity?
Wouldn't you want your identity out there if you're this egomaniac actor that most actors are?
They want their name, they want their recognition.
That struck me.
We realized the last studio head he talked to was Mike Darnell of Fox Unscripted Television.
He just hung up on me three weeks ago because he thought I was lying to his wife.
I said, This is Jon Stewart from Chicago.
I have a real quick question.
I think he thought I was a bill collector.
The Hollywood people are very, very rough.
They are not polished.
The manners are horrible.
And so he just, I went to go confirm the story just three weeks ago and he hung up on me.
But Mike Darnell is with Fox unscripted television department.
And Victor goes in and, you know, Victor's a pain in the ass.
He's precise, he's not easy to deal with, and they shoo him out.
Victor tells the story, but he doesn't say Fox.
We found out that it was Fox TV.
He goes across the street to a newsstand, across the street from Fox Studios, and it's a newsstand.
He picks up Variety Magazine, he opens it up, and he sees an advertisement for a Rodney Dangerfield comedic golf VHS tape.
And he figures maybe this production company, who's not so highfalutin as Fox and ABC, NBC, CBS, whatnot, maybe they'll take a chance at this.
Maybe they'll be malleable.
With my demands.
Sorry to interrupt, but folks have to understand as well during this time, like obviously the audience that is listening is a little more mature, but obviously today, you just put that stuff on YouTube.
You make your own channel.
You don't need anyone else.
But back then, you needed to go through these gatekeepers.
You absolutely had to for anything to be seen at all.
So, you know, that's the reason he was shopping this around.
He couldn't just, he didn't have a platform.
And this is why I came on the show.
I have been trying to tell people for six years from my knowledge of Hollywood, I have written three scripts.
I have had four reality shows go to pilot, which is huge.
They didn't make it on TV.
I know about Hollywood blockers getting to these people.
Chris, what I'm trying to tell your audience, and this is very important with the background of Victor, to get a meeting with a network in 96, the verbiage that you would know to be able to tell the blocker, the secretary, the receptionist to get to a Mike Darnell from Fox and then get that meeting in his office, the verbiage you would have.
To know would be beyond just a government employee.
It was somebody that was familiar to some degree with audiovisual production, something very, very important to remember.
That it was near impossible to do this without some knowledge of the vernacular of Hollywood.
Sure.
Very important.
So he calls up Rocket Pictures.
Tom Coleman answers.
Tom Coleman thinks it's his brother, joking him.
He passes the phone off to Jeff Broadstreet.
Now, this is where I debunk myself a little bit.
And remember, I'm just trying to find the truth.
Sitting at the Rocket Pictures office is the only Hollywood director that has ever been to Area 51.
Just so happens the hour I'm debunking myself.
I know you're looking at me like, wait, why is John debunking his own?
I'm sorry.
I've called that into question.
I find that a little suspicious.
The only Hollywood director, Jeff Broadstreet, who I talked to three times a month for six years, Happened to be sitting at the office, was friends with Sean David Morton when Victor called.
They bring Victor in.
Jeff Broadstreet tells me, matter of fact, the biggest PETA, pain in the butt, of the history of the world, demand after demand after demand.
We've settled him down.
We came to a financial demand.
We said, there's no way we're doing this unless you come on screen, silhouette, voice changer.
Voice changer.
You reluctantly agreed to that.
It was not, it appeared in the video, however, he was very uneasy and not happy.
Was there something about the content that caused them to file it differently or give it special handling?
This interview was terminated.
The interview resumed only after a discussion of the ground rules.
Have you personally seen the alien being that appears in the tape?
Yes, I have.
But I stress I was not necessarily present at the interview session that appears on the tape.
He was not a happy camper.
Not a happy camper.
Not there, and not even in the phone call with Art Bell, which he also voiced out that he felt like he was kind of coerced into doing.
So not once did it seem like he was very willing to come forward.
Welcome to the program, Victor.
Yes, I think it's fair to say at this moment I'm incensed.
This snafu with the telephone numbers.
Can I ask you who is at your studio at the time?
But then, you know, like later we can talk about this, but there was, in some people's contention with this, was the financial aspect of it.
Like he did receive money for something.
And he explains that, and we'll talk about that a little bit later.
And I do want to address it because I think it's an important point to address.
But yeah, he was very reticent.
He did not want to come forward on camera.
So, yeah, visibly angry.
Well, invisibly.
Invisibly angry.
And it's funny because the director, Jeff Broadstreet, of the hundreds of talks I've had with him on email, he would tell me, John, once we settled him down, he was actually a chatterbox.
He was actually very cordial and very.
Okay, okay.
In Chicago, we call them cacarones.
That's Italian for chatterboxes.
But he said, just very scientific and.
And I guess I should say this part now, even though it's a kind of a surprise, but he slipped about six months ago, the director.
And he said, Yeah, when he put on the wig, because he wore like a wiggy toupee on top of his thing.
And you'll see Victor's hair come down over his forehead like this.
And there's a wig on top of it.
Jeff Broadstreet says he had a tuck in his ponytail.
And I froze going back to what.
Because we're thinking this guy is a scientist to some degree inside these programs.
Victor's Hidden Wig Secret00:15:12
I immediately, boom, think of Eric Davis, who said that these scientists in the program again, what did we just talk about?
Two people making comments who don't know each other from 10, 20 years, eras apart, and they say the same thing.
That Eric Davis said these scientists in these programs weren't IBM types.
Eric Davis said, They wore sandals, sometimes no shoes, ponytails, and they walked around humming.
Pink Floyd music.
And I went, this direct Jeff Broadstreet just kind of gave me a nugget here.
He's backing up what Eric, Dr. Davis said about these insiders.
And that really just like stiffened my back, like, okay, we might be onto something here.
I'm still, again, trying to find the truth.
I've been trying to prove, I'm talking to your viewers, that this was a hoax.
I went at this as this was a hoax.
And I beg your viewers to please understand that.
So they put the tape out.
It gets a lackluster response.
I just realized that it came on the heels of the John Binet murder investigation and all of that hoopla.
So it was, and people call this the forgotten documentary because not a lot of people really truly remember it coming out.
It came out on the UPN network.
I thought it was Fox, it was the UPN network talking about the money.
I talk about the money with this investigation.
Follow the money.
I come to find out in my investigation was put up by Reicher Entertainment on the UPN network, a startup network, on a program called Strange Universe.
And they used this as a one hour special on the Strange Universe.
It was like a weekly episodic conspiracy show.
I research and find out that everyone's got short pockets, there isn't a lot of money.
I've heard stories, anecdotal, that people weren't getting paid by Reicher Entertainment.
So, my point is this a very elaborate animatronic alien by anyone's show.
Sure.
Okay.
I see.
In 96.
Yeah.
Short money.
Victor's got to get paid.
Yeah.
He's not getting millions of dollars for this.
No.
All the production company and Rocket Picture has to get paid.
Wow.
And Reicher's got short dough.
Even Jeff Broadstreet said, I don't think Tom Coleman got a whole lot of money for this.
So, my point is, was there enough money to produce, and people hate when I say this, an animatronic bean that We think we would have to have had about five operators with remote control cables, dragon skin, rubber skin.
Would there be enough money to create this?
People were telling me it could be done in somebody's garage between $10.
And there are some people saying a retail animatronic shop would have charged $80,000.
Was there $80,000 back then?
What I just described, people aren't getting paid.
It's a short bunch.
I don't know.
I'm just putting it out there.
Yeah, I agree.
But there is a money aspect here.
I'm not running away from the money.
I'm.
Telling you, there is a money, follow the money here.
And I had the number one rule of journalism, and I did that.
And I'm saying to myself, I've had FX people come to the sign and said, Do you know how much money?
Yeah, even at the low end, because I'm not going to assume it was animatronic, because at the low end, it would have been manipulated by multiple people, Muppet style.
Even then, it seems like the experts in puppetry acknowledge that.
It was skillfully done, right?
That, like, they now, the experts in puppetry don't believe for a second this is an alien, but again, that's not true.
Well, the ones in the movie, correct?
In the documentary in '97, those two gentlemen, they don't believe it, but it's also potentially, as Victor does point out, eventually in their best interest to say that I can make it better.
And the one person, the one animatronic person said, now think about this.
I'm a retired car dealer.
If I tell you, well, I know that's a Toyota Corolla, but there's something about it that I don't understand that I can't say it's a Toyota Corolla.
You'd be like, what are you up?
And are you.
Yeah.
Are you.
Because there was that.
They were confused.
Well, why was that?
The special effects person said, it does one move.
This is a top Hollywood special effects person, says on camera, but it does one move.
I can't figure out how they did it.
Criswell thought the alien exhibited movements that would be difficult to fake.
There are moments when this looks very real, and I don't know how they did certain little things about this.
So, right when I would say that it's definitely a puppet, he moves a certain way, or he'll lift up in the frame and all that.
And all these little things are important to the character of him.
This animatronic alien does a this.
It's moving this way while it's turning its head this way.
It's coughing.
There can't be a hand inside the mouth because the chin is only three fingers wide.
You could not fit.
And we've showed part of it where there is really no one in the back of the head from what we can see.
I'm just speculating here.
So it would have to be a five person animatronic.
We show the mouth going open like that, which is alarming to me.
I'm just simply stating this.
I'm not.
Trying to put the money for that high tech, obviously high tech alien.
I just don't see where it came from.
Yeah, that's all.
It's the one argument that can be made.
You know, obviously, we're ruling out CGI.
So the only argument left is puppeteering.
That is the only argument left.
And if you look at it, it does seem like either an incredibly skillful puppeteering act or animatronics.
Like these, at the low end, a renowned puppeteer.
Behind, plus, even making it, like you said, in a way that you could manipulate it, might in itself be a feat to behold.
And so.
And he's never come forward.
Exactly.
And you know what?
That's like much like the idea of, you know, and we'll get into this maybe a little bit later, but the skinny Bob video that keeps cropping up as well.
A lot of people say the same thing about that is like there's no set photos, there's no costume leaks.
There's no mold anywhere, like mold of a cast of any of the costumes.
And so to me, I always think, you know, even if you look at, what was it, X Files, one of the movies, I think it was, or where there was this lab of bodies that they had, you know, and eventually set photos would surface and then people would share them as if they were real and then they debunked them because they didn't know that's from the set of X Files.
Exactly.
But just to say that, like, when you're on these sets and they're quite elaborate, You know, you can go from anywhere from like 10 to 50 people at a time being a part of that.
And that's a lot to contain for such a, you know, for somebody just trying to get a small check.
30 years.
A puppeteer.
Yeah, no debunks.
Craft catering.
Yeah.
The accountant, the wardrobe.
I drove the people to the studio, the people at the studio or the soundstage, the person that made that bizarre monitor, which I think is the bombshell.
The heart monitor?
No one in Hollywood, including the animatronic person, has come forward at a pool party to try and make it with some girl to be like, I made that be.
That has never happened with any hoax.
That if there is, I'm wrong.
Sure.
That's never happened.
It's a little ludicrous to think that it was done for money.
I think.
I think that argument we can probably rule out.
As you said, it doesn't really add up.
I'm so glad I'm here.
But the argument that you're welcome, but the argument that still does hold up for a lot of people is PSYOP, right?
That is the biggest argument to be made about this case.
So why would someone want to create a PSYOP?
Well, if you look at the day, Or the date that this video came out, it was a few short months after the Virginia crash that happened in Virginia, Brazil, where the American military, Air Force showed up in Brazil to haul off a bunch of aliens and retrieve a downed craft.
What better way to misdirect the audience is to leak an alleged interaction with a being and have people question it?
I'm not saying that that's the case.
I'm not saying that it's real, that it's not real, that it's a psyop.
I'm saying for me, the Only valid argument other than it being real is some insane psyop, and that to me is just as valuable in this context because what are you covering up?
You know what I mean?
Like, why would you spend so much money in psyoping people into thinking aliens are real?
What are you actually hiding that's worse than aliens?
And so, yeah, that's just the only point I wanted to make there.
Thank you for bringing up the conclusion of my.
No, I completely agree that.
And I hope people appreciate this that after all of this money and all of this time, I can conclusively say that this was filmed by the government, whether it was a psyop or whether it was an actual extraterrestrial.
I have had two insiders, and we will get to this, who tell me, you know, don't, one of them is Stephen Greer.
Don't be disappointed when, when you find out it was a recreation of an actual event, a psyop.
Um, you, you, well, first of all, you're not going to hurt my feelings because I don't care.
I want to know the truth.
And I am telling you because the coding on the bottom, the DNI, Department of Naval Intelligence, which is so proud of me and my team for proving Bob Lazar's story on that angle, that in the number 27, that there is, that I am 99% positive that it was filmed by the United States government.
If you want me to shock everyone and 25% now that it could have been done for a PSYOP of a, Yeah, we couldn't show you a real alien, but we've created this and we did try and have disclosure.
Right.
What do you mean you want to put me in Leavenworth for 30 years?
I did approve that video release.
I tried to show you, but I didn't have the security clearance from the president to show you a real alien.
We are definitely under the distinct possibility that that is a possibility.
Is do you think that if it was a PSYOP that Victor was kept in the dark?
Because for it to be a successful PSYOP, Victor getting caught lying would have been a big oversight.
They would have had to have kept him in the dark.
So he, by all means, thinks that it is a real alien and was being told.
So good, great question.
We have been told like a planned leak.
Of course.
We have been told that.
That Victor was chosen to do this if it was a psyop.
I only have two people telling me it was a psyop, not Greer and this other person that said, don't be disappointed.
I'm talking actual people.
Sure.
That Victor was a disenfranchised employee.
What's funny about the Bob Lazar story is that I have basically threaded, put together this mosaic of S4 and this draconian, oppressive regime down there that really turned a lot of people, this cabal, into getting somehow.
Information out from S4 to the public.
And when you talk about the draconian security measures that Bob Lazar talks about, we have multiple people telling us that that is something that turned people off to want to leak information.
And we have two people telling us that Victor was disenfranchised and that someone from Majestic 12, as part of a public acclamation program, I'm just telling you what I was told on this show that.
It was allowed to happen.
Wink, wink.
I don't believe that.
I don't think intelligence lets you.
I don't think intelligence does this.
And go ahead and take it.
I've got a great quotation.
And I'm so glad.
In classified programs, when you have security lapses, it's at the end of the classified program, offices relocate, access lists are updated.
Personnel shifts and oversight changes.
Victor said there was a drop in security to go from analog to digital, and that's when he was allowed to copy this footage.
So, just to catch people up, the tape itself, the reason why he was allowed, because this is a big piece of information here that people were like, why would they just allow him to take a VHS of an alien and sneak it out?
It wasn't a VHS tape, but go ahead.
Sorry, my bad.
What kind of tape was it?
Well, that's the other thing which goes to the government filming.
We have.
Experts, one of them from National Geographic, that said definite original 16 millimeter.
The only people.
Oh, 16 millimeter.
Only people filming on 16 millimeter in 1991 or even 96 would have been the government.
It was very hard, very cumbersome.
We can't find any producers that would film on 16 millimeter.
Right.
But we did find out.
And the government's not even.
It was digitized yet.
Right.
You see the old Roswell cameraman with the two reels?
That was still being used.
Mm hmm.
When Victor said this was filmed in 91, which we have also been told with the leaked statement that I will talk about, that April 22nd of 1991.
Yes, they were using VHS tape.
In beta max, they were also the audiovisual department for many government programs were still using 16 millimeter.
And so then during the transfer of tape to digital, which most media companies had to deal with, well, every media company that had to stay afloat, basically everybody that had anything on tape had to eventually digitize it.
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And it's a laborious process.
I've done it myself.
I've got real canisters down here that I've had digitized.
It's expensive, it's tough.
It's not perfect even today.
And so during that time, yeah, you could see because imagine smuggling something out.
Like it would have been just the highest security ever.
So it would have had to have happened during a time where there was potential confusion, perhaps like a government shutdown or like anything in this pocket would have been like the perfect storm to get one of these things out.
Yeah.
Well, it was actually, again, we'll get to the main leaker who I call the chairman.
The letter that he wrote, the email that he wrote me, but this was let out of S4.
And that's when I went, because I knew you couldn't get anything out of these unauthorized special access programs.
You're waiting the nude when you come, you're waiting the nude when you leave.
Fact.
Nobody's sneaking out a DVD between their butt cheeks.
I'm sorry.
And Victor alludes to that also.
And I'm not jumping forward in the story, but when I talk about the email that I got of, The whole provenance of this tape was the Area 51 cameraman was escorted back to the Groom Lake Photo Lab.
He made two copies of this 16 millimeter film, snipped three minutes of it, put it in a burn bag in a GSA approved vault, and that burn bag was snuck off of the Nellis test and training range.
That's how.
So, Victor, did he obfuscate and lie a little bit that he was the active agent?
I think he was protecting that cameraman.
Or protecting his own identity.
Could he be the cameraman?
Now, We, the name we've got of Victor, I'm not jumping forward.
We have him on the log, the same log that I saw, Bob Lazar's name, which has Victor working for EGG.
Which did.
Which Bill Terry 51.
Right.
Which did everything.
You know what else they did for the government?
Highly top secret audiovisual documentation.
Yeah, it makes sense.
So we are very convinced that Victor was a mid to low level audiovisual, maybe even the manager or the director.
Right.
He had access to films.
But he also said that he saw the being.
Correct.
Well, if you're part of the.
Filming or managing the film, you're going to have to be read into this program.
Yeah.
And you're going to actually have to have some contact with the being or be in the room.
You have to film it.
Yeah.
When it's being filmed to make sure.
Because otherwise, why would a guy with a ponytail, you know, just be hanging around this highly sensitive area?
Right.
You know, you'd have to be some type of expert.
Right.
And the fact that you have the film and you say that you saw this being, I mean, put two and two together.
Yeah.
You're probably.
Right.
And Victor talks about philosophy, the end of the world.
I'm not jumping ahead here.
I want to make this great point about him being probably the director, manager, middle level audiovisual person for EGG.
He talks about eschatology, the study of the end of the world and religion, especially when it comes back in 2008, Mayan calendars.
Just a pretty interesting story.
We probably believe he had some PhD in film.
And we find out that people that get their doctorate or their master's in film.
Also, most of them, a lot of them, those people also have a double major or a follow up major in philosophy.
I didn't make this up.
I read this on the internet.
So I just, you know, because he seemed a little philosophical, a little too philosophical for a guy that was a cameraman at the NBC station.
And I just, when I read that on Google, it was just, again, one of those things I'm like, wow, is this really coming together?
I would give you that, but I would also push back a little bit and thinking that when he did mention that, he also mentioned that.
He was nearing the end of his life due to potentially an illness.
Right.
And the director said he didn't believe that.
Right.
Oh, he didn't believe that.
Which was a counterintelligence operation I'm dying.
But that's also.
Sure.
Don't look for me.
But that also would be when you get more philosophical.
Totally.
Totally.
So, yeah.
So that's the story of how Victor went to Rocket Pictures.
They go on Art Bell to promote the DVD because the viewership was not.
Up to par on the UPN network.
And this actor, remember, everyone's, oh, Victor's got to be an actor.
This hired actor is arguing for a minute and a half that he was given the wrong phone number.
And you're an actor and you're upset about a wrong phone number.
You can't get through.
And this, what we have found out about Victor, this pandactic personality, this precision mentality.
It's this way, it's the rules, it's the regulation, it's Specificity, um, that really shone through.
I just don't think an actor would argue for in a minute and a half with Art Bell about the number being wrong.
And I found that, I found that stupefying.
We ran, and I'm not getting ahead of myself, but we hired two people from the Reed School of Lie Deception in Chicago, two police officers.
And we also gave this to a retired FBI agent to watch Victor for his verbiage.
Can't really, his body language, but we can maybe analyze his verbiage.
In the Reed School of Lie Detection, we got two people, two police officers that graduated to look at Victor, and a retired FBI agent who's a private investigator.
Please don't look up in Chicago a retired FBI agent, a private investigator, and stalk him.
I'm just saying.
The FBI agent went, Stop.
Do you think this guy's an actor?
You know, when Victor's talking about the primitive conceptual framework, it's talking from an alien to talk to a human being about the dynamics of space travel.
And it would be like putting calculus in the greets and scrunches of a chimpanzee.
And the former FBI agent goes, I don't know who this guy is, but stop.
You're wasting the police officers said the same thing.
And the one of them came in with that word, pedantic personality.
So I'm reading all about, I have a degree in counseling psychology, and I'm reading about that type of personality trait.
Do you know what I'm reading over and over again?
What the majority of occupations that have that trait?
Scientists.
You know, you don't do a dash of this and a pinch of thallium and you just throw in a little bit of it.
Not a very, he's not socially.
He's not a son.
He's not Jon Stewart.
The generalizer.
Sure.
No, he's not him.
Yeah, you can tell.
You can tell.
And what was interesting about the Art Bell interview, and I would, you know, fascinating.
Yeah, I would encourage everybody to, first of all, you know, go check out the original documentary, but then also follow up.
It's a great follow up.
Yes.
With the Art Bell, and Art Bell, obviously, the predecessor of all of this.
You know, he is the guy.
And even Art Bell, you know, admits that it took 20, 30 minutes for him to.
Warm up to Victor because at first he was like, I'm not really buying anything.
This guy's very cold, reserved, shut down, being kind of rude.
And then after 30 minutes, when I guess Victor felt comfortable with our because he's, Art Bell had a wonderful way of making you feel comfortable.
Of course.
You know, his voice was so soothing and understanding.
And after.
Stroked his ego?
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
And just kind of like allowed him to get comfortable.
He started opening up and then, and then Art Bell, to his credit, was like, you know, I believe him.
Art Bell believed him.
You know, that's a, for me, as far as anecdotal evidence goes, that's a big one for me because I think, you know, he spoke to a lot of people and you can, you can just really put your, it raised my conviction level that this man was at least believing that he was telling the truth.
And, and I say that because, you know, maybe he was fed something that he doesn't know not to be true.
And yeah, that interview was really revealing.
But also, like you said, he was quite upset about the small sort of almost, Just things that didn't matter.
And you're like, why is he so upset about this?
I'm so glad I'm sitting with you.
I mean that sincerely.
Does an actor go on Art Bell and answer, and I know this for a fact, answer an hour and a half of unrehearsed questions?
And one of the biggest things he's pissed off about is yes, we're not telling the public about the extraterrestrial phenomenon.
But one of the things that really pissed him off was people that worked on an S4 had little personal mementos and trinkets on their desk, and they were told not to.
Yeah.
Does an actor even think of that?
Yeah.
He talks about Sean David Morton's newsletter and he's correcting things in it.
An actor from CAA or Central Casting is reading Sean David Morton's Delphi's consistency.
I don't believe it's an actor.
Come on.
I don't think it's not.
I don't think very many people believe it's an actor.
Those who do obviously haven't done their due diligence, but I think.
Thank you, Chris.
I think that, you know, the potentiality for this.
Being a legitimate person close to the program, given some passage material, he believes it to be true.
I think that potential is still there.
So, like I said, like you said, I think this does have something to do with the government.
Either it's true or the opposite side of the spectrum to me is just as fascinating.
Why would you want this to be out there?
Are you preparing people?
Are you simply misdirecting people?
Like, what is the reason there?
And that to me is equally as, maybe not equally as interesting.
Obviously, a real alien is much more interesting.
Bothers me more because you're taking my tax dollars and making a hoaxed video to deceive me.
Even if you think you're preparing me, you're making taking my tax dollars.
I worked my butt off my entire life and you're taking my money and creating a hoaxed video and deceiving people.
I understand you want to prepare us, but you're deceiving people right there.
You know, I don't know what that is.
Yeah, I don't know what that is.
It is bizarre.
It is bizarre.
There's aliens.
We all know there's aliens.
Come on.
There's something.
But we've got people hiring special effects people to create a really good animatronic alien to deceive us.
That to me is creepier and is more bothered than some alien in a random underground facility being filmed.
Yeah, both are bizarre.
That's for sure.
Okay, so the story gets out, doesn't get traction.
He goes on Art Bell, kind of still angry that people haven't really caught on to this.
So he goes back to the producers who first documented this.
And really goes off on him.
He wears a mask in this interview and he's kind of like, just, you can tell, really pissed off and breathing heavily in that mask.
And there's this fly buzzing around him.
You just see his annoyance come through, you know, and he's just annoyed that there's two people here and say, That he's wearing a rubber mask.
That he's wearing a mask.
How much credibility do I have when I'm wearing a rubber mask?
Exactly.
And he's just kind of fed up because, and he really kind of goes off on ufologists and grifters and, you know, and that's not something normally.
A grifter would do.
You know, you don't see somebody who's out there.
Let's see somebody who's out there and just screaming at people for not doing the work they're supposed to be doing.
They call themselves researchers.
I gave them everything.
They're not doing anything.
Like, to me, that really raised again my conviction level that he believes what he's saying.
It's been 11 years since I brought out that tape.
What follow up has there been?
Who among these so called ufologists, these self proclaimed investigators, show me one of them that's demanded.
Information about S4 under the Freedom of Information Act.
Show me one of them that has seriously attempted to confirm or deny the existence of the alien interview program.
All they care about is talking among themselves and making videotapes, making documentaries, promoting themselves.
Well, you and I hoax something.
Do we go back seven years later and cajole people to prove it?
It's a hoax that never rang true to me.
I just find that impossible that a hoaxer would come back and cajole and be combative with people.
Again, he's mad at people.
He's mad at the UFO community, even the ones that take it that say it's real.
That's right.
Because he says, you're taking it for face value.
Yeah.
That pandectic personality.
Research why you think it's real.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely blew my mind.
Yeah, definitely.
There were people in that documentary who took it at face value that it was real.
And he's kind of like, you just got lucky.
That's what he said.
He's like, you got lucky that it was real and that you reacted that way.
He's like, you didn't do any research.
And if it's so easy to make that alien puppet to all the special effects people, make one.
Go in your garage and make one.
So to this day, this video to me and to everyone else on the internet, you know, I've shared a lot of videos and a lot of things.
So, of you, and it's one of those videos that when you read comments from balanced individuals, it seems to surface a lot more.
Conviction of it being true than many of the other videos, save perhaps Skinny Bob.
Skinny Bob's another big contention for a lot of people, and I'm still kind of on the fence.
I'm like, I guess my conviction level dropped for Skinny Bob quite a bit.
It being authentic, an authentic alien.
Again, not completely out of the realm of it being a psyop, but it did drop a little bit.
But I'm roughly 50 50 on that one as well.
This one, I'm a little higher conviction.
Because of the nature of the video being like one shot.
What part of this video for you raises your conviction level on this being true?
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And what's one part that lowers it?
And I'll start with mine.
Great question.
So, the one that raises it for me is obviously the movements of this being, and then perhaps some of the stuff in the foreground that we're seeing.
The things that lower my conviction for this specific video are A, the lighting.
But again, that can be.
You know that.
Can we tell people that's not the way Victor brought that film?
It was lighter.
It was bluish.
Yeah, it was bluish.
Bluish hue.
And no one.
Why is it so dark?
That's a puppet because the room's dark.
That's not the way Victor brought that video.
They did that for theatrical dramatic effect.
Okay.
Because it looks so much better than the blue closed circuit television style Victor.
But Victor brought a blue hue.
And you can find this on the internet.
You can see the alien's thorax, his arms.
Mm hmm.
Um, not his hands.
Uh, yeah, that is not the way Victor brought that to me.
Okay, okay, point taken.
Okay.
Um, but the other thing was the doctor behind him, and this for me, uh, as just a body language observer, there were two doctors that stepped in.
One of them, uh, had a flashlight and you know was looking in the mouth, looking in the eyes, perhaps to see you know dilation or whatever it was.
Hemorrhaging, yeah, hemorrhaging, even in the nostrils, if there was hemorrhaging, if he was choking.
And they were wiping the mouth.
You know, there was stuff coming out of the mouth.
They were wiping them.
Breast foam, yeah.
And that's all very compelling.
The other gentleman, Wilford Webb Wilson.
Who's this?
That is Jon Stewart and all the cops.
Okay.
But the other gentleman who died in Watsonville, California, 2014.
How do you know this?
You talked to his wife?
I got the whole story to tell you.
Okay.
No, come on, let's go.
But I'm saying.
So what about him?
You didn't.
He touches the bean, weird.
He's not really doing anything.
And it seems like he's doing exactly what I would do if I were playing to the camera.
And that's what I read.
I'm like, this guy's like, he's kind of like, doesn't know what to do with his hands, kind of like pretending to be a doctor.
If I look at it through that lens, that's how I see it.
Now, I also don't know how I would react if I had to fix a choking alien.
I don't know that I wouldn't also act exactly like he did, right?
Am I going to touch something that's going to hurt the alien?
That's right.
Are you ginger with it?
Are there people with guns looking at me right now?
Like, I don't know.
Dan Burr says how frail the remains were.
Victor tells us.
That this bean was at the end of its interview cycle.
So it was going to be retired.
It was going to be retired.
Obviously, you could tell the bean was slightly infirmed, especially with the respiratory illness that he had.
And I agree with you.
Yeah.
So, for me, that was, I think, the biggest contention is just body language of this second doctor.
Other than that, I really can't find much to really go on.
But what about you?
What's one thing that raised your conviction level looking at this video, and what's one thing that lowered it?
That it is such a casually shot.
Video.
You know, somebody made a great statement to me that when you're the government and you're filming something, you're there to document something.
You're not there to make Miley Cyrus look in the perfect lighting.
That's not your job as part of the government audiovisual documentation, which I think is a great point.
The fact that there is a red stool that you could buy at Kmart in Las Vegas in the 90s.
Sitting off to the side in front of the table.
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Nobody, nobody realizes this.
A stool.
You've just left a stool there in this hoax video.
The hoaxed video, you spend, obviously spending a lot of money to hoax it as the Hollywood producer.
You don't have the medics and pressurized suits because, you know, wouldn't you put them in pressure?
They come in in short sleeve scrubs.
Yeah.
Obviously knowing that maybe the bean's not a contaminant to humans.
You have a monitor that still to this day, no one knows what it is.
And that I could talk about the monitor for, for the erratic heartbeat.
Yeah, yeah, we're going to get into that.
All of this, you have two military people in the foreshadow.
Nobody even realizes these two men were there until Victor talks about it, until a guy in England who were enemies named Andrew Burlington shows the patch.
The patch on this army officer, the combat patch is like a dragon, a horse, a wing that I have gone through 3,000 military patches.
So this, this, This producer has now created its own military patch that no one can see.
You emblazoned DNI on the bottom of the film, an abbreviation of a Department of Naval Intelligence that no one can look up in 96 when it came out.
We can't look it up now.
You can't look up that agency, even though I've proven that it exists.
Why would you do that?
So, how did you prove it existed?
Well, I mean, if you want to jump around, that's fine.
Well, I'm looking at the DNI.
I'm looking at, you know, I'm looking at obviously the only.
Okay.
The semblance of this is the Department of Naval Intelligence, which was on, you know, Bob's pay stubs.
Okay.
And a lot of people said, that's not even a department or whatever.
And then I had John Ramirez sit here and he said, you know, sometimes it's a flash ID.
So it looks like an official department, but it allows them to sort of go undercover into these darker programs.
So proud of this.
Prove Bob Lazar's story of the DNI, at least.
Okay.
DNI.
Okay.
Number one, he is an author.
He is a school teacher, family of six.
He's got a degree in invertebrate anthropology, you know, real dummy, and a Navy aviator.
And he's an author, and we are talking about another subject matter.
And I went, wait a minute, Michael, this is text, still have the text.
What is the DNI?
I want to be clear, Michael, not the Office of Naval Intelligence, the Department of Naval Intelligence.
Is it real?
Yep.
I'm like, again, the department, he goes, I know exactly what you're talking about.
I'm like, why can't I find it?
He said, it's an agency buried inside the Department of Navy.
You're never going to find it.
I'm like, holy shit.
I wanted to call Bob Lazar.
Bob, I'm proving this.
A Navy aviator.
Can you tell me how you know this?
Before I went to, he's typing this to me.
Before I went to Naval Aviator School in Pensacola, Florida, two agents of the DNI approached me.
To be an agent with them.
And I declined.
I wanted to fly planes for the Navy.
It's a naval aviator telling us the Department of Naval Intelligence, not office department, is real.
It's buried as an agency in the Department of Navy.
And he writes, got this on text.
They're the spooks for the Navy.
It's like their CIA arm for their Navy.
Wow.
Wow.
One thing I will ask of you when I leave can you please tell everyone how much I credit the internet for helping me?
Inspector Clouseau through the six years.
If it wasn't for the internet, my co pilot, I would be nowhere with this.
Yeah, fine.
Okay, that's all I ask.
The internet angels have been awesome.
Mr. Stewart, hi.
My name is Sean.
I don't know if he wants me to say his last name.
First name is Sean, S E A N.
He goes, I have a Canadian security conference brochure of the listing of events.
Yeah.
And on it is a Colonel Carl Prinzlow of the Department of Naval Intelligence.
Well, he sends it to me.
I have it.
It was in my documentary.
I'm like, I've emailed this guy five times.
He will not return my email.
Don't tell him what it is.
So on a conference brochure, we have the U.S. Department of Naval Intelligence.
His name is Carl Prinzlow.
And I mention names, I mention facilities, I will give you codes.
I don't gatekeep anything.
And I'm proud of that.
And what?
What I would like to do with this conversation is to tell you people, to tell you names, facilities, to let you know that this is all real.
So that's two things with the Department of Naval Intelligence.
What was his name again?
I'm going to write this down.
I need to.
Carl Prins, P R I N Z L O V. I can send you the Canadian brochure.
I've got all 22 pages of this conference.
It's like you get a little brochure of today.
We'll be having dinner after dinner.
Chris Ramsey from the DOD will speak.
Shocking.
This is going to sound like I'm going to tell a joke at a bar, but it's not.
A director level former CIA.
What would you call them?
Member personnel owns a microbrewery with his wife who was in linguistics for the CIA.
Okay.
My cousins take me after deer hunting and they're like, oh, my cousin's into aliens.
And John, this is, I don't want to say his name.
And he told me what he did for the CIA.
This is like director level, not a director, but he is.
Yeah.
On the top of the food chain.
And we're sitting, we're talking, and I know I'm catching him off guard.
I said, Can I ask you one quick question?
I'll never forget.
He was sitting like this.
And he said, Yeah.
And he was looking away from the bar.
He was on a bar stool.
Bar was jammed.
I said, Is the Department of Naval Intelligence real?
I want to be clear, not the office.
The Department of Naval Intelligence.
Chris, he went like this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a real thing.
And he caught himself.
He gets up.
He goes, I'll be right back.
He goes into his back office, and my cousins and I are looking at each other.
They don't know what DNI means.
But I'm waiting.
And I'm waiting.
I'm like, is this guy dropping a dime on me?
Is he going to himself?
Why did I just do that?
It was very, very, very bizarre.
I talked to his wife, and we'll get into my emails being stolen.
She tells me that she thinks it's the NSA.
I don't believe in aliens.
You're crazy.
So on and so forth.
And we are getting into almost like a shouting match with each other.
And I said, Did you know, is the Department of Naval Intelligence a real thing?
She's like, Yeah, it is.
It absolutely is.
I'm just like, Well, I've got two CIA people that told me this.
I've got a naval aviator.
And now I've got somebody, Carl Prinslov, whatever his name was, that he's on a conference brochure with the Department of Naval Intelligence.
And again, I have proven, I think, without a shadow of a doubt, that the Department of Naval Intelligence is real.
Bob Lazar said it was the company that hired him.
I found out that it's one of the three letter agencies that runs a program under the umbrella.
I found out that they were there asking their set of questions, that there was literally a conga line of three letter agency people waiting to go into that interview suite to ask that being questions.
Now, whether it was that, Interview whether that's the way it happens with all of the interviews because we, you and I believe there's a percentage that that could be a psyop.
But during these interviews, there are agencies waiting outside in the hallway to waiting to insert their questions to this being.
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Oftentimes, well, that's also lines up with um, was it Carl Wolf?
Um, there was a deathbed confession years ago.
Okay, Carl Wolf, do you know, is it Carl Wolf?
I believe it was.
And this gentleman said that he went to church.
It was a very niche church.
I think it was the Church of the World of God or Church of the World or something.
It was almost like a sect, like some small church.
And the person he went to church with worked at Area 51 S4.
I'm listening.
And the guy on his deathbed, he had TSI.
Pretty deep clearances because I think what he did was like, I don't know, just paperwork, something, you know, very classified, but mainly paperwork.
And he's like, he calls him up one day and he's like, Hey, and he's telling this to Danny Sheehan on his sort of deathbed.
He didn't even tell his wife.
This is him in his, he's hooked up to tubes and everything.
And he's telling Danny Sheehan this.
And he said that I was invited to go to Area 51.
He's like, I don't know, you know, the guy wanted to show me some stuff around there.
He had clearances already, so it was all good.
And he takes them and then they go to S4.
And they take an elevator, they go down and get to a place.
They start walking, and he sees a bunch of underground hangars with crafts levitating off the ground.
And then they go into this room where there's a one sided mirror and there's a being sitting there.
And he said, Do you want to ask it anything?
And he goes, No.
You know, being religious, he thinks this is some demon.
And he goes, Okay, I'll be right back.
And then he goes in and he kind of like sits there in silence with it for a second, comes back out with a stack of like papers and says, You know, he's done.
But now he has these are all previous answers that we were given.
And he starts reading through them.
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And like the answers were, You know, where are you from?
And, you know, They say, you know, we're part of the same galaxy, but our mission is to monitor this planet, yada, yada.
And that, you know, he asks him, is God real?
And he goes, well, not the God that you think.
And like gives him some kind of weird, you know, roundabout answer.
But that to me, again, you know, deathbed confessions are huge.
Yeah.
To me, that's the biggest piece of evidence.
Of course.
You're alleviating your burdens, you're alleviating your mind, you're not worried about any repercussions.
It's the most credible evidence.
Confession.
It's the most credible, you know, unless you're completely delirious, to me, it's the most credible thing you can ever hear from another human being, period, is when you're about to leave this planet.
What do you want to leave this planet with?
A lie, a joke, a farce, a hoax, somebody's cover up, some psyop.
It's all very strange to leave somebody with that, but to leave them with that story.
Yes.
And so, yeah, I just thought that was an interesting connection there about the Conga line of people asking questions.
It kind of lines up.
And they have index cards, they write the answers down in index cards.
The DNI, let me finish with this.
This is what started my whole saga.
I'm running for United States Congress and it's 1999.
I'm not going to win.
This is a hellish 11 way primary in the North Shore of Chicago, the John Hughes, where he made all the high school movies, the Home Alone houses, the North Shore.
These are all uppity, very wealthy people in a lot of the neighborhoods.
And it's a free for all.
We are destroying each other.
Private detectives smear a national newspaper, still to this day, it's on Grok.
And Jon Stewart was involved in an 11 way primary that national newspapers called the dirtiest congressional primary in history, which kind of helped me for being able to absorb what happened to me for the past six years.
I end up endorsing a guy I became friends with, Mark Kirk, who became the congressman and became a one term senator, Senator Mark Kirk.
He was in the reserves and he was a naval intelligence officer in the reserves.
This started the whole thing.
We're on the back of the bus, just him and I. John McCain is brought in.
We're doing a bus tour for the district to hype up the primary.
And it's Mark and I at the back of the bus.
Chris, this started everything.
And Leslie Keene once told me, Oh, you found something, you touched the third rail.
You were like asking a mafia guy the code name for a.
And so I said, Mark, before everyone gets on, what is the DNI, the Department of Naval Intelligence?
And he was over here and he did this.
Oh, yeah, the DNI.
Yep, the DNI.
And I'm doing this.
Yeah.
And he's like, and he looked at me like this, and people started filing on to the bus, and it faded in, you know, to the buzz of everyone.
And I remember going, holy shit, this video might be real because I just had a naval intelligence officer who became our senator in Illinois swallow his peach bit.
I'm still friends with him.
I was out to dinner with him a year ago.
He's the one that got me involved with.
Captain John Lovell of the Apollo missions.
I'm not dropping names.
I'm just saying he doesn't know anything about this.
But that's, and I've had, again, I remember telling the story to Leslie Keene.
She's like, well, this is, reporters have that.
It's, you're touching the third rail.
You are getting the sense that you just hit a raw nerve.
And why?
Why would he not look at me and go, what are you, Department of Naval Intelligence?
What are you talking about?
There is no such thing.
He did it.
He just said nothing and he repeated it and he looked off into the distance.
And I just, Chris, I had my stomach dropped.
And this was two years after the 97 documentary came out.
I'm like, oh my God.
Oh my God.
Are you telling me?
Because I thought basically, I thought it was maybe a carefully crafted hoax that this thing could be real.
And the last thing with the DNI is he worked for NASA, Bob Osler, and he called the IRS with Bob Lazar's EIN, the federal.
Tax number.
When you are a business, you get an EIN number.
I have one for my business.
It's your tax index number.
That's how you pay your taxes for your company.
And the IRS took like five minutes, came back on the phone, said, I don't know what this is.
This is classified.
We can't tell you.
This is Bob Oxler, worked for NASA.
He was the one that called that one admin.
He said, Yeah, we've got craft and whatnot.
So there's Jon Stewart, the dingling car dealer, just gave you five pretty damn good stories that.
Possibly, as far as the Department of Naval Intelligence is concerned, Bob Lazar was correct.
That Bob was right.
And before Bob, I researched this, I could be wrong.
The Department of Navy Intelligence was never brought up.
Bob Lazar was, I could be wrong, but in my investigation, Bob Lazar was the first one to bring up a Department of Naval Intelligence that doesn't exist and to write it on a payroll stub and have it and get it given.
Bob Lazar created an IRS taxpayer ID that another person's told is classified.
Yeah.
You know, I was born at night, but it wasn't last night.
So again, We're hoaxing Chris Ramsey and John Stewart are hoaxing this video.
We have a stool left in the thing.
We've hired two guys to wear military outfits.
We don't really put them in the shot.
Their shoulders are getting in the way of the camera.
We have medics that are not in pressurized suits.
I was told by a cameraman, he's in my end of my documentary, my good friend, James Mastery.
He was a cameraman for ABC Chicago.
He talked to me for a half hour about digital overlay graphics.
I said, Jim, in 91.
Or 96, when we think this was a hoax.
How much to put that on there?
He goes, like a video production company?
It's like, this took hours.
You had to cut out the numbers, put it on the film, recopy the film, transfer it.
And as far as the transfer and stuff, 16 millimeter transfer to VHS tape.
Is Chris Ramsey and Jon Stewart on a short budget going to find 16 millimeter film, film it on that, one take?
That's a one, we've positive it's one take.
Take that 16 millimeter film, transfer it to VHS tape, have this actor go around other film studios, have him come back to us, and then finally use this crappy VHS tape that we have to darken for the documentary.
Really?
Isn't the Occam's Razor that this was taken out of a government facility?
It was shot on 16 millimeter.
Victor went home.
Again, I don't like this guy, but his name is Andrew Burlington.
It's from England.
He thinks conclusively that Victor knows the computer.
It was a 1996 Gateway 3000 computer because it's got a white watermark line that Victor used this computer to take the 16 millimeter film or the DVD disc and put it to a VHS tape.
So, pretty interesting.
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So, that's our DI story that I am really very proud of and proud of that I can tell people don't throw Bob Lazar to the trash heap of grifters and hoaxers because I think.
You're going to get disappointed.
Yeah.
Well, that's thank you for sharing that.
That's a lot of information and it's a lot of news to me.
So it's very cool to hear about this elusive Department of Naval Intelligence because, as most people who follow Bob Lazar's story know, that's another point of contention that they keep bringing up.
But as most of us who, you know, look further into Bob Lazar's story, we realize that give it enough time and Bob will be vindicated yet again.
And I've got another Bob Lazar story for later on about lunch.
You have to ask me that.
Oh, well, the lunch truck, the food trucks.
Yeah.
It's like asking me, John, as a pro wrestler, what did you guys say in the backstage?
What did you say in the locker room?
Yeah, there's only things that you would know.
There's a bunch of stuff that only I would know.
So I got the monitor if you want to go over the monitor because I do.
I also want to note that according to Victor, this being arrived to S4 in 89.
Right.
That's also when Bob was there.
Yeah.
And the Kalahari crash.
Yeah.
So it's, well, that was.
I mean, that I don't know to be a fact because I don't either.
Yeah, because that could also just be passage material yet again.
Something I'm very proud of.
I have absolutely no idea, no information, nothing even anecdotal of where that bean came from and where it crashed.
Please don't give me the look.
We found a person that claims, a woman that claims she transcribed the index cards into notes.
Oh, and I will tell you what she said about this being.
Oh, yes, it's a little heartbreak.
You want me to tell you that?
Yeah, please.
That they nicknamed him Oscar.
Uh huh.
That this was his first mission.
He conveyed now, this again, one thing, Victor.
Um, and I've interviewed who is this lady?
I'm not going to tell you her name.
Don't tell me her name, but who was she?
Like, how did she hit you?
She contacted me off the internet, my email, because I gave my email back.
Did you vet her?
No.
Okay.
I'm just telling you the story.
Yeah, I want to know everything about it.
I know that you talk a lot about S4.
I just saw your video on Cosmic Road where you talk about interviewing.
I interviewed for three hours a woman, a widow, who claimed her husband was an S4 telepath and that he went crazy.
They turned him into a bust out, the same thing, almost like with Victor, allegedly.
I interviewed her for her.
She was like, I found it fascinating.
And I was a person that transcribed the notes of the thought projection, she said, of the thought projection interviews between the being and the telepaths.
Okay.
Whoa.
She's like, I'm not going to tell you anything more.
Here's what I can tell you.
No way.
They nicknamed him Oscar.
Lady, come out here.
Now, this is what they were.
I'm just telling you what this woman.
I'm telling you, I want this lady on the podcast.
Let's go.
I'll.
I'll backlight her.
I'll do the whole thing.
This moved me a little bit.
So I don't want to laugh too much because I.
No, just a little bit.
They nicknamed him Oscar.
It was his first mission.
He got.
This is what he relayed.
And what I want to tell you that there was a lot of.
There was a lot of fuzz and opaqueness with were the beings really telling us the truth or are we getting the right information?
Right.
You know, how does a being.
Or is the telepath, you know.
Because they put pictures in your head.
So how does a being put a picture in that you're.
He was confused.
His name was Oscar.
It was his first mission, allegedly.
He was confused.
It was a hard landing, and that he described that he was sick and that he wanted to know where his other crew members were, which I don't think it was the Kalahari crash because that was only allegedly two beings.
He wanted to know the disposition of his other crew members.
And the last thing was, it was that he was afraid of being there in the facility of MS4.
This is what this.
Stenographer, whatever transcriber, told her my wife was there on speakerphone with me.
My niece was there, who's a corporate pilot, not some nitwit.
And we were like, oh my God.
And my two daughters were there.
And when the lady said, and she sounded a little Spanish, I'm just saying, I don't want to just give you everything that I can derive.
When she said, you know, he was afraid, my daughters got moved.
Like they were like, and when the phone call ended, my daughter was like, Daddy, you know, my daughter's in.
Of course.
I mean, it makes us feel bad.
There's a certain thing about a great hoaxer.
Yeah, but there's also the anthropomorphic sort of take where, you know, we also feel the same for Stitch and Lilo and Stitch because he's a Disney character.
He's not real and we kind of feed our own humanity into him.
But, yeah.
And giving him a name doesn't help.
Giving him a name like Oscar.
Yeah, you look awful.
But, yeah.
I'm not going to say anymore.
No, fat bald Italian wrestler.
Don't worry about that.
I'm not worried.
Don't worry about that.
But that was, I guess, I give you the whole story.
I'm.
And it was fascinating.
If I was worried about the people, those people, I would be doing this.
And she contacted me after I told this long hour story of the S4, the widow whose husband allegedly was an S4 telepath and had the same.
Again, she didn't know a lot about the Victor story.
Yeah.
Told me whether it's true or not.
Sure.
That her husband had the same issue that Victor had, which was, you're not going to tell the people about this program?
No, no, not on my watch.
And her husband felt the same thing.
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And she said he went crazy at a conference table when they told him that they were.
That a offensive weapon or something, a system that they were developing was going to be used or could be used or being pushed to being used in an offensive manner for the military, he exploded.
Like, you can change the world with this.
And they actually threw him out of the program.
They did things she felt to inhibit him from getting a real job.
She said he was an adjunct professor or lecturer, not a full time.
She said, John, I'm telling you, two of his students from UCLA came up to him when we were out because they lived in Los Angeles and, you know, professor, blah, blah, blah.
She goes, I know he wasn't full of it, but they turned him into a bum effectively.
Yeah.
Just like what Victor claims.
I'm on the run, you know.
That's interesting.
Very interesting.
I would, you know, I'm extending a branch out here to, you know, anybody who knows this lady or anybody involved, like reach out.
I would love to hear it for myself and if there's any way that we can get some of this information.
Information out even anonymously.
I mean, that would be really good.
Well, this is part of this.
For the past six years, people come out of the woodwork.
They email and they contact us.
I've had that too.
Yeah, it's interesting.
It is frustrating as well because, you know, part of you is like, you can hold this information and share it with other researchers.
But outside of that, you know, it doesn't really do any good.
And it hasn't helped my investigation.
Coming forward, talking about it, begging people to help me has been awesome.
It's helped.
But I wanted to talk about the monitor.
Let's talk about the monitor.
This little heartbeat.
Monitor that jumps up and down.
Yeah.
So, you know, I'm not getting sappy here or whatever, but I'm in my driveway.
It's 2019.
I just lost the governor's primary for the Libertarian Party.
My life isn't very good at the time in every metric.
I won't go into, you know, whatever, every part of your life health, finances, marriage, whatever.
It just, things were not going good for me.
And maybe that was that, you know, when you get down, when you're feeling low, sometimes that's when, you know, When you hit, I would say rock bottom, but when you hit a low point, you know, sometimes that's not the worst thing in the world.
Another door will open.
And I was sitting in my car and I got home early one day.
I remember a drizzle was coming down and this video was bothering me.
The whole everything, Victor, the video, everything was just bothering me, you know.
And I said to myself, I've come home early.
I've got some hours.
I'm going to find something about this video right now.
Fact or not, Proof or not, I'm going to prove this is fake right now.
What do I do?
I'm like, I don't know.
I can't find these doctors.
I can't find anybody in ufology, the military, nothing.
I started from the ground floor on this investigation.
I said, but this monitor, this monitor is bizarre.
The blip goes up, and I want people to hear me clearly here.
The green trace, it's called, that's the technical term, goes up and down.
The trace does not stay on the bottom of the screen, which every oscilloscope, every heart monitor, Every EKG, the trace will stay down and it will also go up and down, but the bottom of the trace will always remain on the bottom of the screen.
This monitor, that ball comes off of the bottom of the screen.
We've stopped motioned it.
So it was very weird.
Now, Jaime Musan said that 15 cardiologists, thoracic surgeons all claim in Mexico that the heart monitor, if it was, was perfect in sync of that being coughing and going into some Which they thought was a cardiac arrest.
There was a couple of thoracic surgeons that told Jaime Masson back in 97 that they think that that heart monitor was showing a single ventricle heart.
Now, we know that what I've been told about this creature does have a weird physiology a heart, lung, one sac organ.
Maybe that's what it was showing.
That's what we hear about in other parts of this lore.
So, this is a cute story, and I love telling it because it's It's charming, it's real, and it shows humanity.
So I'm in my car.
Thank God for the internet, iPhones.
I'm in my car.
I go on the internet.
Who made physiological monitors in the early 90s, right?
When Victor said this was made in 91.
I find two companies, Space Labs, not SpaceX, and Hewlett Packard, were the primary builders, developers, RD of monitors.
I find this in minutes.
I contact Space Labs.
I email them.
They email me back.
Well, sure.
This is the research and development department of Space Labs.
They did monitors for NASA.
They Send us the video clip.
We'll tell you what we think it is.
They send it back.
I have the email.
I show it.
Head scratcher.
We have no idea what this is.
The company that made monitors for NASA doesn't know what they're looking at.
Now I go to Hewlett Packard.
Hello.
Can I have the research and development department for physiological monitors?
One moment, please.
I'm like, oh, this is interesting.
Can I help you?
Whatever he said.
This is Hewlett Packard.
I said, is there.
John Stewart, I'm an investigator.
Is there a really old guy in your RD department?
Crusty old guy, Chris, my right hand of God.
You know, maybe he doesn't talk to a lot of people.
They stay away.
Maybe he's getting ready to retire, but he's been there forever.
My hand of God, he goes, Oh, we've got one of those.
One of those puts me on hold.
I hear, Hello.
You could tell the guy's like in his 60s.
And I was very, very cordial with him.
I know I talked fast.
I pissed a lot of people off, bothered them with how fast I talked at times.
And I said, Sir, my name is John Stewart.
I'm from Chicago.
I'm an investigator.
We're doing a documentary, which I wasn't.
I've got this physiological monitor I've never seen before.
Is there any way I can get your email and email you this clip and you tell me what this is?
You know what you can help me?
Absolutely.
He gives me his email.
This is five minutes later.
This is after Space Lab.
I mean, this is talk about the internet and smartphones.
I call him back.
He answers the phone and he goes, A kid, I don't know what I'm looking at.
I'm like, You've never seen anything like this.
He said, I've never seen the trace go up and down and I don't know why.
And he had a statement I don't know why you would make the trace go vertically and not horizontally.
In physiological terms, it doesn't make sense.
Okay.
It's a little bit of a good piece of information.
He said, Where's this from?
Where is this from?
I'm like, I go, F it.
I'm going to tell him the truth.
I said, This is allegedly from an underground government facility.
Please don't hang up on me.
Allegedly, this is monitoring the physiology of an extraterrestrial.
He doesn't laugh and doesn't hang up.
Now, this has been repeated dozens of times in this investigation where people do not laugh at me, nor do they hang up the phone.
I find that a little weird.
He said, that's interesting.
He said, it's on an alien.
Well, I think you're looking at a one off.
What's a one off?
He's like, well, in manufacturing terms, it's only if you're trying to solve a problem, there's not a device to solve it.
He gives me the analogy.
If you're looking for gold in the 1800s, you would create a gold detector to help you find gold in the ground on that type of, that type of, that type of, of, Methodology.
And he said, if you're telling me that this creature has a one sack or heart and lung is one unit, a human physiological monitor would not work.
You'd have to create a one off that could monitor this creature.
I took my iPhone and I was bashing my head to check me back in reality like this can't be happening.
This guy is giving me like a breadcrumb trail.
And he said, I think that's what you're looking at.
I think the government probably would have made this especially.
To monitor this creature because he does not have the organs, as you said, of a human being.
Doing the okay.
If you need anything else, you have my number.
Go ahead and give me a call.
I hang up in my car.
I'm like, I just do not believe that this just happened.
This is not enough.
I want to be a true journalist.
I need another three sources.
That's what I've always been taught in journalism classes.
Now I find I'm going to wrap this story up.
No, you're good.
Actually, no, I'm not going to wrap it up.
I find three.
People from Sweden that did their PhD level dissertation on the history of physiological monitors.
Now, have I gone to the top of the mountain as far as physiological monitors in a matter of 10 minutes?
The guy's name is Sven.
I email him.
He emails me back.
I have the email.
I send him the clip without the alien.
I don't want to scare people to death.
Yeah, see, crop it.
Yep.
Writes me back.
This is a guy with his two cohorts that just did the history of physiological monitors.
Mr. Stewart, we have absolutely no idea what we're looking at.
I'm sorry, we can't help you.
And I simply said to myself, with having a rudimentary knowledge of Hollywood, is a schlocky third tier production company really going to invent this monitor that has never been created in the world and whatnot?
Let me give you the debunking.
I call an FX person.
Oh, I could do that.
How can you do it?
Oh, I'll put a laser on a servo and I'll tap it up and down.
And that's how I would do it.
A laser on a servo.
And what would it hit?
A piece of glass.
I get my daughters, we get a piece of glass.
We manufacture, we put it on a stand.
I get the modern laser from the internet.
We shut down the lights in my living room.
I start bouncing it.
Yeah, there's a green blip on it, but it's diffused.
It's coming in the back of the wall.
So we realized that this was a lot more advanced, if it's special effects, than just putting up a piece of glass in a laser on a server.
There would have to be masking of the diffusion.
There would have to be so much more that went into simply that bombshell.
I pay $2,500.
This is the start of the writing the checks.
I give $2,500 to Bill Mums, who National Geographic hired.
To do the analysis of the Patterson Gimlin Bigfoot film.
Okay.
Did I go to the top of the mountain again?
Nat Geo hired him.
I think he'd be good enough for me.
I give him the film, pay him $2,500.
His name is Bill Mums.
He writes me back and he says, definitely 16 millimeter.
Ah, coincides with what we've heard.
Cool.
Transfer to me, gives me the speed frame, the 60 blank, blank per second.
I've got the whole eight page analysis of it.
But there's a, I don't think this is real, but I'm saying that on face value.
But it's 16 millimeter and nobody uses 16 millimeter.
There's a problem.
Well, of course, there's a problem, just like the other FX guy.
What's the problem?
There's no creases under the armpits.
Okay.
He writes back, he goes, John, every foam latex doll that I've been involved in since the 50s, during the drying process, around 75%, they let the arms droop down.
You know, if they mold a creature and when they, Every creature, when the arms come down, a crease develops in the armpit.
He sends me 20 pictures of the creature of the Black Lagoon to this guy, to this video.
I mean, I got my money's worth.
And I'm like, Bill, what does that mean?
He said, Well, it means that some unknown technique has been used by this Rocket Pictures in Beverly Hills that did a Chevy Rodney Dangerfield golf video.
That's me.
That's my language.
This video production company suddenly devised.
A new process, a breakthrough of animatronic foam latex dolls.
And I don't believe that, what I just wrote.
And he said, John, you know, tread lightly.
This is weird.
I cannot explain this.
Oh, I forgot.
Here's the monitor.
He sends me the picture of the monitor where all we saw was the glass.
He was able to lighten it.
It is bracketed by a metal bracket, not where Chris Ramsey and John Searle would put four pieces of angle iron metal around a piece of glass.
This has got like a bubble, like a bubble on top of metal with a fin.
And on the one part of the bracket is a protrusion, like a cartridge of a bullet, like the top of a missile.
Like somebody had a mold around that.
Like something went, why would you just not put four pieces of metal together?
Yeah.
And Bill goes, somebody made this.
There's a reason for that protrusion.
Said the same thing I'm thinking.
Special effects guys would just put four pieces of metal.
This is.
Bracketed, it's got a fin, it's got the protrusion.
Too much work.
Too much work.
Are you ready?
Hi, Mr. Stewart.
I'm blah, Have you seen the video about Whitley Stryber talking about your alien in the monitor?
No.
Let me send it to you.
Whitley Stryber, 2014, at a conference.
Do you see this video behind me?
It's my alien interview with the blip.
He goes, I think this is real.
And I want to, I want to, this is Whitley.
This isn't Jon Stewart.
And I want to tell you why.
Do you see that green blip on the screen?
He's got it over his head in the conference.
I saw that exact.
Same green blip when I was writing the book Communion.
I think it's the way those types of aliens communicate with human beings.
And I would see it at the corner of my eye on my writing desk at my home.
And I would try and put my hand over it and it would not cover the blip and it drove me crazy.
I'd put my thumb on it.
I could not get rid of this blip.
And I think it's the way the beings were communicating with me when I was writing Communion.
But I have something to ask the audience.
I have never told anyone about that green blip since today.
How in the hell did a Hollywood producer in 1996 know to put that green blip in that video that the gray beans, that is one way or possibly a way of them communicating?
I never told a soul.
So, how did that Hollywood producer, and I'm asking your audience, how did that producer, Rocket Pitcher, know to put that green blip in?
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Sure.
Yeah.
And I about fell off my chair when I heard that.
And, um, I've had other people email me.
Again, I want to tell you the whole very quick story.
Somebody said, I think Bell Labs made that.
They turned the modulation, so on and so forth.
Okay.
Somebody else emails me.
He's kind of known in ufology, Mr. Stewart.
It's not a heart monitor, it's not a physiological monitor.
It is kind of a communication device, but the gray beans give off a vibratory response.
Now, we've heard this from Other people, other abductees.
We heard this from the S4 security guard, Derek Hennessy, whether you believe him or not.
They would put Vaseline on the hair of their arms and the back of their necks when they were around the Bob Lazar craft in the hangars because they gave off a vibratory resonance.
Their skin, the human beings vibrated.
And this person told me that grays give off a vibration, and that box was built specifically to absorb, to detect that vibration.
After all of this is still not good enough, I will finish up here.
I did find Tektronix.
No, it got made into a different company.
That's why I love you, bro.
Tektronix did make a similar looking green blip.
It's this real vivid blip that did not stay on the bottom of its machine that I have the video of.
So I did find an actual human made machine with that blip, but it did not look anything like that box.
So when you look at the whistle past the graveyard on the alienated hoax, Hoax, and you just hear of the monitor story.
Yeah.
How did Whitley?
And that's just one thing.
It's one thing.
You know, there's so many different things in this video from the video itself, how it was filmed, where it was shot, how it came to be.
And then, yeah, certain items in the video, certain, you know, potential costumes that don't make sense.
Chris, can I say one thing?
Sure.
Would it make sense that the government knew what Whitley knew from dealing with the beans for 70 years that we have devised this green box and this is the way they communicate?
That's when I hear like the Whitley Strieber story.
I say government psyop.
But that almost negates the telepathy, you know, that almost replaces the telepathy then.
So, no, that's not true.
I was told that the vibration that they give out, they emanate a different vibration when they are in stress or when they, and then someone else told me, just a random ufologist, that that was the bean's way of telling the telepath, I'm sending you something right now.
Oh, I see, I see.
I don't believe that.
Okay.
But that's an interesting perspective.
Sure, it's interesting.
Okay.
I think we should get to the chairman.
Let's get to the chairman.
And the list of men in the room.
Yeah, absolutely.
That would be really interesting.
So there were a few people in the foreground.
There were the two doctors that approached as well.
And yeah, what do we know about these people?
How do we know that these are real people?
So, like many things, I've always been interested in conspiracies and whatnot.
And I always know and realize, like with MJ12, like with a lot of other things, when you go, Public as an author, researcher, investigator, journalist.
Sometimes people in the know will approach you, will send you things.
So I go on the Jeff Rentz program.
This is one of the oldest internet programs, pre podcast in America.
And he writes me back.
He said, I know this video.
John, I believe this is real.
You're coming on.
Let's tell me what you have.
I go on there, the hat in hand, the humble John Stewart, not the crazy guy.
Can anyone help me?
Here's what I have so far.
I told the whole monitor story, so on and so forth.
A week after that, I almost want to say one thing before that.
Two days, this was Memorial Day.
2022, my emails disappear off my phone.
My red, be specific because your viewers should get specificity.
My red but not deleted emails disappeared off my phone.
It was in my cup holder.
My wife and I were driving in the upper Michigan, upper peninsula of Michigan, and my screen goes blue, black, white, black.
I go, and all of the blue dots saying your email, they're gone.
I look at my wife and say, Well, that's crazy.
I'm like, She's like, but I'm like, my emails are gone.
So I talked to the Jeff Rents producer.
Pre interview, which is a standard operating procedure.
I said, I just want to let you know my emails disappeared yesterday.
Oh, that happens all the time.
To who?
A lot of our guests.
He goes, John, we're monitored.
A lot of these podcasts and radio shows are monitored.
This happens all the time.
And, you know, you and Jeff and I have been emailing back and forth for two weeks.
You must have been on somebody's radar.
Don't worry about it.
I'm like, well, I am not a UFO guy.
I am worried about it.
He's like, Mr. Stewart, just Relax.
This has happened before.
Jeff Rentz's producer.
About 10 days later in June, I get an email from a person.
And he said, I caught your interview on the Jeff Rentz program.
You had some things right, you had some things wrong.
I am knowledgeable of these programs.
I'm not in these programs, but I have knowledge and I know people in these programs.
And I'll never forget this line.
If I can give your investigation a nudge, I will.
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Boom.
Okay.
Doesn't sign his name or anything.
Once a month, very important to know this.
Once a month, I get an email from him.
How are you doing?
Or caught you on another podcast.
You got this wrong or that wrong.
Very, I would say, light, topical things once a month.
This is an interesting exchange.
Have to know this.
Yeah.
On my birthday, so this is about nine months later.
On my birthday, I get from the horse's mouth.
Now I'm a public figure, pro wrestler, but it's hard to find my birthday.
I just find it funny.
On my birthday, On a Friday, I get this email from the horse's mouth, and it's his email address.
And I open it up, and I want to be very specific here.
He's obviously an old person, well, I know who he is now, but he is an old person, older person in his 70s, not technically savvy.
What he did was forward me an email that was sent to him from someone he knew inside the DIA.
What we have found out is the Defense Intelligence Agency runs all things external.
Alien Extraterrestrial, Project Aquarius, out at Papoose Lake, and the Nellis Test and Training Facility.
DIA runs the umbrella program, and under that umbrella program is NSA, DOE, DNI, Navy, Air Force, so on and so forth.
But the overseer running this program, the Air Traffic Controller, Defense Intelligence Agency, who I found out.
Was created by Senator Barry Goldwater and John F. Kennedy because the CIA was obfuscating and subverting them.
They wanted a department to collect their own intelligence, and Goldwater and John F. Kennedy created the DIA.
And the DIA, believe it or not, the Air Force was through with the extraterrestrial project, they had it.
They actually kind of put it up for auction.
Does anybody want to take over the DIA brass?
Yeah, they took on Stargate as well.
Okay, this is why I come here.
So he, I get an email from him, from this person, and this is from, so this is like Jon Stewart sending an email from Chris Ramsey to the UFO investigator.
And it says, This is not talking to me.
This is so important.
This is Jon Stewart, two and Chris Ramsey, two pals communicating with each other.
This guy does not know I'm being sent this.
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And it says, Here's what I know about, um, That film.
It was classified as an unauthorized viewing, not a theft, not a, you know, we had a big, you know, investigation.
Unauthorized viewing.
That's what they classified that.
I think that was to water down that it was removed into anybody in the higher ups.
Oh, it was an theft.
Let's, you know, water down the language so we don't get in trouble.
And it basically said this This film was filmed on April 22nd, 1991, at 3 15 in the afternoon, on behalf of the Defense Intelligence.
The Department of Naval Intelligence, coordinated by the Defense Intelligence Agency, this bean was classified as an other gray.
I have found out that there were so many species, this was so run of the mill that they didn't even give this, remember, round eye, tan bean, not a typical gray.
Instead of giving it a classification like, I can't even think of a scientific name.
He actually referred to it as one of the other grays, which I thought was startling.
If you were going to hoax me, you'd give this.
Yeah.
He said it was a clone extraterrestrial biological entity type two from the Tau Ceti star system.
It was a hapaloid.
And I can't, I have problems pronouncing that.
Hapaloid is someone that has something that has one sexual chromosome.
We human beings are diploids, two chromosomes.
This is a hapaloid.
Um, one classification that is the only classification that I talk about.
Why?
Because that's what I've been asked to do by people that are advising me.
So do not look at me with that look.
We're going to get to that in a second.
Keep going.
So the letter continues.
The bean became distressed.
Once they, this really pissed me off.
And I could see why Victor was pissed off at the treatment of these beans.
Not that we purposely mistreated them, but that we were bad hosts.
Yeah, bad hosts, ham handed.
After the bean was stabilized, the Department of Naval Intelligence continued with this questioning like, hey, okay, we've got him.
No, don't worry about him.
Come on, finish your questions.
And it took them a second to even get there and to like respond.
That bothered me.
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Yeah, okay.
That bothered me.
And I felt a realness in that statement, but the realness comes.
Here's where the men in the room.
This is like the MJ 12 document where it's going to list military men's names that I've never heard of.
I'm knowledgeable enough in ufology to know most of the players the Hill and Cotters and the Bobby Inmans and McDonald's.
I know enough to know enough.
And I'm reading these names.
I'm at a McDonald's Oasis in Indiana.
My hand, Chris, my hand is shaking because I'm getting real.
Okay, maybe not real at this point, but I am getting names to this film.
There's starting to become a realness.
My hand is shaking.
Now I put the document, I put my phone down and I'm writing the names so I can Google them.
The first name was Rear Admiral Ned Schaefer.
I pull him up.
Here's his Wikipedia page, his Millet Class A dress uniform.
What was he?
He was.
Head of intelligence, the liaison for intelligence for the Joint Chiefs reporting to Colin Powell in the early 90s.
Intelligence.
Okay.
Never heard of him before.
Now, this list is given to Linda Bolton Howell, and I will tell you what she said about them.
The next person, he's dead, Ned Schaefer.
The next person, Captain Lowell Jacoby, Naval Intelligence.
I go email him or Wikipedia.
I look, there's his biopic in Wikipedia.
He becomes director of DIA, becomes a rear admiral.
I contact my one investigator friend, Chris Jackson.
He's a police officer.
We're talking back and forth.
I'm like, it's fucking lists, bullshit.
I've been MJ 12.
It's the majestic list.
It's bullshit.
I'm Jamie Shandor and Bill Moore.
They got to me.
And he's like, this list is from 91, right?
I'm like, yeah.
He goes, do you think maybe in 91 he was a captain and 30 years later retired a rear admiral?
And I'm like, oh shit, who would think of that to give me a list of men's names and ranks in 91 when that?
I'm just saying, I don't know if I would have thought of that to give someone's rank in 91.
I'm going to stop with the list.
I find his email.
I email him.
Former DIA director Lowell Jacoby.
I'm Jon Stewart.
Chitty chatty.
Ha ha.
He writes me in an email call me Jake.
I don't wear the uniform anymore.
That was a direct quote.
You call me Jake.
And I write him back.
Oh, you live in Virginia.
I heard the fried chicken at these gas stations is incredible.
I'm going to take you to go play golf.
And we're just, we're golf buddies now.
Chatting back and forth.
And he writes back, You said you're working on a documentary.
What do you want to ask me?
It's like the space, the Hewlett Packard old guy.
I'm like, Oh, God, here we go.
Yeah.
I said, Mr. I'm about to get hung up on it.
No, I'm going to sound like I'm bragging.
I'm not.
I said, Mr. Jake, my father was in the Navy.
I stopped the closure of the North Chicago VA with Mark Kirk.
We did that.
We stopped it from closing.
They ended up building a $132 million.
Captain James Lovell, Apollo 13, Surgical Center.
I'm very proud that I was a progenitor of that.
I'm writing this to him.
When I ran for Congress, the military and veterans were at the top of my pyramid.
You have my utmost respect.
But this came across my desk.
And I sent him the email.
These are the men in the room.
And he ghosts me.
Mister, we're going to have fried chicken and play golf.
He ghosts me.
Do you know what military people told me?
When you're honorable and you're in the military and you don't want to lie to somebody, You won't lie to him.
You stop talking to him.
Doesn't end.
Well, Jon Stewart's anecdotal story, Dr. Michael Sala, Exopolitics.
He goes, Give me his info.
I'll contact him.
Whoa.
So, Dr. Michael Sala emails him.
You know, I was an international negotiator, mediator.
You know, it has come to speculation that you may have been part of an extraterrestrial program.
Responds to Dr. Sala.
A little respect there.
Here's a political figure.
And he says, I'm just not going to talk about any of that.
Doesn't deny it.
Yeah.
Doesn't tell him, go kiss my butt.
Just, you know, doesn't.
Respectfully declines.
Right.
Whoa.
That's crazy.
Now we go down.
Dr. Craig McPherson.
Now, this is slightly funny.
I go on Wikipedia.
I find Dr. Craig McPherson.
He is a cardiologist in Connecticut.
He's got the bald head, the lab jacket.
Craig, I'm like, oh, cardiologist.
Remember the bean was coughing?
I find out that he was a pulmonologist before being a cardiologist.
Lungs, the coughing with the VA.
So, did they pull him off the bench and say, go to S4?
I'm calling his office.
You know, like a crazy person.
Finally, the secretary's like, I want an appointment for your coughing.
You're from Chicago.
How did you get a hold of Dr. McPherson's name?
I, and you know, and I'm stumbling, and she's like, Sir, you got a bad alibi.
What are you doing?
So, you got to work on that.
You got to fix that first next time.
I'm going to tell you the story.
All right, let's go.
A George Casanza story.
So, a little bit of time goes by.
And I tell the story on the internet without mentioning all of the names.
And somebody says, I think you got the wrong Craig McPherson.
Again, Internet Angel.
Sure.
Do you know a Linda Molden Howell interviewed a Dr. Craig McPherson who admitted being a scientist at Area 51?
Oh, that's the other thing.
On the list, this person from the DIA didn't even know who McPherson was.
He said, Dr. Craig McPherson.
Scientist?
Question mark, question mark, question mark.
Because he obviously was not military.
And yeah.
Looking off of a memo, a report, an investigation memo.
Oh my God.
I call Linda Moulton Howe.
She calls me the human firehouse.
She goes, You have got to slow down.
She goes, John, calm down.
So I gave her the whole story.
This is Linda Moulton Howe.
She's writing the names down furiously.
William Jacoby.
She's like, John, you have gold here.
This is Linda Howe.
You have gold, G O L D here.
I'm like, what do you mean?
She's like, I've never heard of these men.
John, everybody in 30 years has come to me with these retread names of men in the military and they get retread.
They're now part of this program or this program.
Whether it's real or not, you have names of men I've never heard of.
I am telling you, you have gold.
And she said, yes, I interviewed Dr. McPherson.
It's on the internet.
I go, I find it.
He said, yes, I was a scientist.
Yes, I worked with alien craft.
But I didn't work with beans.
Why would you be specific about that?
I don't know.
So I got the wrong Craig McPherson, but I finally found the right Craig McPherson.
So all of these names are jiving.
Now I see Robert Donovan, Army Intel.
I spent $400 with private investigators, name searches, my own skip trace software from the automobile industry.
He's Intel.
And I don't want to use a line from a few good men, but.
You know, he is counterintelligence.
There is no Colonel Donovan.
Okay.
Colonel Donovan doesn't exist.
I see.
As far as you being able to search him, I find a Robert Donovan from the Air Force.
This guy was in the Army.
I call.
I'm telling you, these senior citizens were just, they just helped so much.
I call, I leave a message, a message is like to speak with Colonel Donovan.
Finally, the answer machine picks up.
Hello.
I said, Hi, my name is John Sewerin from Chicago.
I'm trying to call Robert Donovan.
That's my husband, but you know, you've got the wrong Donovan.
I'm like, How do you know?
He's like, Well, she's like, Well, because other people have called here before looking for him.
I said, really?
And I'm like, I am so sorry.
Was your husband in the Army?
No, he was in the Air Force.
He's got a picture on MySpace.
I'm like, okay, I am really sorry to bother you.
And it sounds like she's on her deathbed.
And I go to Hang Up and I hear on the phone, thank God I didn't hang up, hyper nut Jon Stewart.
I hear, but I know which one you want.
I said, yeah, that Robert Donovan lives on the East Coast, like Washington, D.C., East Coast.
I hope I helped you.
Click.
And I'm like, whoa, still can't find him.
I don't want to find him.
I spent $400, skip trace, ancestry, private investigator in Chicago.
He is ghost.
Now, I've been told this will coincide with Victor's name, which we eventually got, which is there's two ways to get on Area 51 in the N. Nellis test and training range your real legal name or an approved, authorized, approved, and authorized, approved given name by.
U.S. Intel, CIA, NSA, DIA.
There's only two ways you can't get on with your gnome de plume, your, your, a fake name.
It's got to be given to you, um, uh, by an intelligence agency and the credentials, so to speak, to back it up.
So I believe that that was a gnome de plume given to this person by U.S. Army, Army Intel.
Here we go.
A pseudonym.
Yeah.
Pseudonym.
Here we go.
Go down to the next, next name.
Dr. Wilford Webb Wilson.
Web nickname.
Dr. Wilford Webb Wilson.
I Google him.
Doctor Dies in 2014, born in like 29.
There's nothing on this guy.
How could you be a medical doctor for 50 years, 40 years?
There's no, Dr. Wilson hit a hole in one at the country club.
He gave away his daughter for marriage, everything you would find out on the internet.
The only thing I found on him was a fifth grade picture.
Okay.
Okay.
I find his widow and I called her up.
And she answered.
Now, can you imagine calling an 80 year old woman telling her, I think your husband was a doctor involved with extraterrestrials, but that's exactly what I did.
I'm going to call her Kim.
She had a short three letter name.
Duh.
What else could you?
I'm going to call her Kim.
I said, Kim, my name is John Stewart.
I'm from Chicago.
I'm a documentarian, which I wasn't.
I want to ask you something.
And just don't hang up on me.
Just let me say what I have to say.
Is there any way possible that your husband, Dr. Wilson, Was involved with a secretive government project program out at Area 51.
On my right hand to God, and I know that's a perception qualifier, but I like it, it's an Italian Chicago thing to do.
Johnny, on my right hand to God.
There's a pause, and I'll never forget the line she used.
She's like, That's really interesting, John.
A light bulb is coming on over my head.
And I said, Kim, I don't understand.
She said, there was a real bone of contention with Webb and me.
She used his nickname.
I did not call him by his nickname, and the nickname was on that document.
Whoa.
Whoa, right.
She says, there was a really big bone of contention between Webb and I. Interesting.
She said, whenever we would go out with our friend group, they were from Korea, World War II, Vietnam.
They had funny stories about the foxhole or the food at a base or a funny drill sergeant.
My husband would never chime in, he would just stand there.
Sit there quietly.
Friends would ask, What did he do?
He can't talk about anything, doesn't want to talk about anything.
She said, John, it was such a bone of contention.
That verbiage, there was such a bone of contention that it almost caused us to divorce.
I would scream at him, What did you do?
That was so terrible that you can't tell me.
And she said, You're solving a family secret.
What did he do out there?
Oh my gosh.
I said, Well, not only can I tell you what he did, I have the video.
I said, Kim, I almost said her real name.
Kim, He was a doctor, a medic for a program that retained and interrogated extraterrestrials.
I'm sorry, I know this is bizarre and crazy, but this is what came across my desk.
I have a video.
Can I send it to you?
Yes.
I said, Do you know how to go on YouTube if I send you the link?
She's like, Yes, I know how to.
I send her the YouTube video.
Five minutes later, I call her back.
She's like, John, I am.
And we blew it up.
So you could barely see, like D and I was that, you know, because we wanted to see the, can't really see the right.
Medic, but you can make out the face.
Sure.
We blew it up.
She's like, I called her up.
I said, John, I can't be 100% sure, but the doctor on our left, that's Webb.
I know the bridge of the nose.
I know my husband in a medical mask.
I've seen him a million times.
I believe that's my husband.
I believe that's my husband.
My husband had an angular face, and I'm not 100%, but that looks like Webb.
And I said, Pam, I don't know what to say at this point.
I'm like, He never mentioned anything.
She's like, No, and I told you we would get in fights that, you know, what?
Yeah.
And she goes, And now I know what possibly he, why he kept a secret from me.
Funny, Victor says the medical staff at S4 is chosen more for their ability to keep secrets than their medical knowledge.
Interesting.
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Doesn't end.
She goes, You live in Chicago.
My daughter lives in the south suburbs of Chicago.
I'm going to give you her name and number if you ever want to talk to her about her stepfather.
Here it is.
Like, like I'm getting invited to the next family party.
Sure.
You know, like, not like, Buzz off, crazy guy.
Don't ever call me.
Don't ever call me again.
I have tried to get a hold of this person, her daughter.
She has not returned my emails or my phone calls.
I'm going to have to go to her townhouse.
It's by an auto auction that I go to.
I'm just going to have to knock on the door.
I've done this before, but that is happening.
And she doesn't have a Facebook where I can see if she had pictures maybe of her stepdad.
This would be very, very helpful.
And I am afraid to go back to the widow because it's almost like it didn't happen.
Yeah.
Does that make sense?
Like you don't want.
The bubble to be burst.
I don't want her to say, I never told you.
She did tell me this.
She told me everything.
But, and I don't want to go back in case we have to film this again for a docuseries.
It could be fresh.
But that story is 1000% accurate, what she told me, how secretive he was.
The next name on the list was Carthusian Monk One.
I know.
Carthusian Monk Two.
Yes, we're now in the Da Vinci Code.
And I'm like, okay, okay, here we go.
Carthusian monk.
Now I Google Carthusian monk.
There is a monastery in Vermont.
It's called the Charterhouse Transformational Monastery.
The sect, the religious sect, Christian sect, there is the Carthusian Order.
Okay.
And they are monks.
Take a kind of a vow of silence and poverty and so on and so forth.
I am going to jump ahead to let you know what we found out.
I have the picture of this one monk who was an alleged thought projection interviewee.
Oh, so they were the psychics.
So, an investigator of eyes actually went there, made contact, and talked with him.
He's 91 years old.
We call him Brother Tom.
Some of us call him Brother Patrick.
Some of us, my investigation cohorts.
And he's 91 years old.
I'm going to blow your mind now.
He said that.
Did you get this on film?
No, we couldn't film.
And I know, okay, you can't take a camera into the charterhouse.
They basically take a vow of silence.
What he said was that remote viewers with the NSA were getting this vibe, remote viewing of a white building in the far upper East Coast where members there had the gift, telepathic gift or whatnot.
Wait, so these Carthusian monks were found by remote viewers?
And I want to know if this was done in the 60s, would one of those remote viewers be Joe McCann?
McNagle?
McMonagle?
McMonagle?
Come on.
How many could there have been back in the 60s?
I mean, potentially.
Potentially.
So that would be a great interview.
He said that they found out that we had the gift.
There was a total of six monks that they used.
Do you think he said right away, we went right to S4, primarily used in what was the Allied side of Germany?
Yeah.
The West?
East Berlin was the communist.
That they were used for counterintelligence, vetting, or.
Um, um, in analyzing whether someone was telling the government the truth a mole, an agent, okay, counterintel you name it.
Um, where documents were, where this person was, is this person leaking?
If all kinds of counterintelligence, um, work he and these men were used in West Germany by the government, he said.
Then, um, in the 80s, they were some of them were brought to S4 and were, uh, were, um, Asked to do thought projection interviews with these beings.
And he said that he said that him and another monk were very adept.
He said that he would sit down and he was talking about his.
And he said this to researcher friends of yours?
One of our investigators.
Counterintelligence Leaks00:07:33
One of your.
Not somebody.
One of our investigators.
Okay.
And I'm getting the stories third hand.
And he said that the other monk was so good that he would sit down, he would start going like this to the general.
Okay.
You know that object you're looking at in the Indian Ocean?
He said that it's not that deep and that he was, he was, our monk was good.
This guy was like a savant.
Next level.
One of the only things that he was willing to talk about was how difficult it was to relay or transfer back and forth basic technical ideas.
He said that it took a couple of days to, I know this is going to sound crazy, but to describe how human beings live in our time, seconds, minutes, days, the being did not understand that.
And the monk said that they finally figured out that this type of alien used what's called time sequence, that they measure time in their experiences layered on top of each other.
Wow.
I don't even know what I'm saying.
But this is what was told to us.
And he was willing to relive that piece of information and how frustrating it was for him to translate that.
To translate basic concepts of time, of other things too, because they were not verbal.
The beings were not verbal.
And we got a picture of him.
I spent a year negotiating with the family to allow us.
To release it, we finally got them to allow us to do an artist sketch of the photo.
He looks like an 80s Philadelphia gym high school teacher with the 80s big glasses.
He's got one tooth longer than the big tooth.
He's got the monk cassock on.
He looks like he's in a Catholic school gymnasium background, you know, with the laminate, with the plywood, you know, with the mahogany plywood.
And he was a communicator for the aliens, thought projection communicator for the beans.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
Time sequence.
And so he's passed now, I assume.
Still living.
He's 91 and he told her.
No way.
Our investigator went there six months ago.
Here's another bizarre story.
Wait, hold on.
He's 91.
He's old and he knows he's dead.
Put it in the park for a second here.
Ed, because I have something else to tell you that you're telling me there's a guy a few hours south of here that's living in a monastery, the Charterhouse Transformational Monastery in Mount Equinox, Vermont.
Yes, and and and I can can I go there?
They're not going to let you talk to him.
Why I don't, well, because they all take a vow of silence.
They you know, that's very you should go.
I'm not stopping anyone.
I'll take a vow of silence.
Whoa, vow of silence is interesting too.
I just made that connection because.
The lack of sound and the lack of speaking might heighten the telepathic senses.
What if that Joe McNagle said that he was the guy that outed him?
I'm going to ask Joe.
Have to.
Because monks are the same.
But I also want to take a road trip to Vermont.
That's right.
And I've shown the picture of him in my documentary.
I just showed it on X. I'll give it to you again.
Can I tell you another bizarre thing about this?
Yes, I'll give it to you.
Yes, I'll give it to you.
My investigator says, strangest thing.
This is a Christian monastery.
There were two state troopers kind of guarding the grounds in two white pickup trucks.
Where else do we see white pickup trucks?
I am not saying this to make an Area 51.
I am just saying.
Broncos.
Would you use the discretion and the funds of the military intelligence apparatus to hire Wackenhut?
The same security at Area 51.
Would you use the same security?
To guard the perimeter of this monastery.
I don't know.
I just find it interesting that state police were there, Vermont state police, and two white pickup trucks were there.
How fun for them that the people who know the most took a vow of silence.
Like that, it's also maybe.
Well, I'm sure they talk to intelligence about what the beans are.
Do you know what I mean?
But they're like, hey, let's get these guys.
Not only are they perfect telepaths because of their vow of silence, but they're also, you know, they also won't say a word.
And again, I'm like, how did a monk?
Get to because Victor says the telepath program was a joke.
Yeah.
They were hiring people that were 1 800 psychics practically.
Well, yeah.
Again, when you are desperate.
No, but that was part of the program initially with not only Stargate, but Center Lane and Sunstreak and Grill Flame.
They went through a list of natural psychics before they started training the army to do it.
But I'm harkening back to Bob Lazar.
When you are desperate and you are the government and you need this information, you're going to.
You're going to do desperate things.
You're going to hire a Bob Lazar.
You're going to hire a Stan Dale.
You're going to hire a Dan Burrish that, you know, all are have sketchy educational backgrounds.
You're going to take a roll of the dice.
And one of the, one of the psychics was a, was a telepath, was a farmer that can, that conned almost the government.
He was only in that this program.
This was told to me by the other, by the widow of the other S4 telepath that they, that they shoot him out.
There was a lot of in and out of charlatans basically.
Wow.
And so, when you're desperate, you're thinking out of the box, you're going to make desperate moves.
And I think that's what Victor is alluding to with hiring these.
Yeah, and time has been.
Victor called it 1 800 psychics.
Right.
Now, Victor comes back in 08 and says, We finally figured out what the aliens were telling us, and it ain't good.
And that's when Victor, I think this is scary, says to the documentary crew in 08, Don't plan on any 20th anniversary of this documentary.
I might not be here, but I know you're not going to be here.
20 years from 08 is what would that be?
Almost 2027.
Oh my.
Whoa.
08, an alleged.
Whistleblower from S4 says, don't plan on a 20th anniversary.
Yeah, not a 30th.
Which is 20, 27s.
That is, yeah, that's, that's, and, you know.
Do you need like a Pepto Bismol, a Nailox?
No, there's a lot of just information.
There's a lot of information in my head right now.
You know, obviously I shared with you, and this is something that I'm, I don't, I don't know in what order this will go out, if this podcast will go out first or the other one, but, We did have a gentleman here who had received some messages telepathically, which once decoded talked about some imminent invasion as well or some imminent threat to this planet.
Right.
You know, and which coming from like the Zeta star system, also the same system that Bob Lazar was briefed on, which was also at S4, which might be these beings.
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Like it all kind of ties in perfectly and neatly.
And, you know, when something's tied in that neatly, it's either.
One by design, or two.
I mean, that's just the way it is, you know.
Thank you.
So now, I mean, this is obviously super, super interesting, you know, hearing about all these people that I didn't think were even possible to get their names, you know, because they're just shadowy figures.
And then you intercept this email that drops all these names.
You're following up on everything.
I got to say, John, you are pretty thorough and hats off to you for.
You know, putting in the legwork.
I don't think a lot of people realize that when they, you know, you're very vocal on X.
And sometimes, you know, my apologies, maybe to a fault.
I think a lot of people get put off by your personality because they're not, they don't have that gumption to do the work, you know?
So it's surprising.
It catches people off guard, you know, because you don't see that in a lot of today's generation.
You just don't see that, right?
So as Rolf Blumenthal from the New York Times went, You got out of your car and knocked on his door?
I said, This is all the president's men, you know, Robert Redford and, yeah.
I'm like, Yes.
Yeah, you're, you're, exactly.
You're, You're Denzel Washington in Man on Fire, or whatever.
So, yeah, hats off to putting in the legwork.
Yeah, definitely.
And I think that that needs to be duly noted.
Thank you for anyone thinking this is like lazy journalism or anecdotal.
Be that as it may, anecdotal evidence is still valuable, in my opinion.
And the fact that you went out there and did all this work might lead to a breakthrough.
And that's really, really, really great.
So, yeah, thank you for doing all this work.
Welcome.
All right.
Let's go.
Well, I'm going to tell you something that I've never stated publicly as I go into this story.
And I'm not saying this to be.
Sorry, can I cut you off?
Sure, sure.
If you hear anything, there is like a parade going on out here for like Christmas or something.
I don't know, but they're loud.
You might not even pick it up in the edits.
We might, you know, use some AI to whatever.
But if you do that, rest assured, it's none of this.
You know, my wife would say, my wife would say, well, of course there's a parade right outside.
You got Jon Stewart here.
Yeah.
You know, what can go wrong is going to go wrong.
All right, let's go.
No, so what I'm about to say, I've never said publicly, and you deserve that because, you know, I really respect your show and bring me out.
I really appreciate it.
And I'm not saying this to hype up the drama.
I think this story, this very quick part of the story, should be told because I think it gives a little bit of.
It adds this tone of this is no longer.
You know, happy go lucky former pro wrestler, car dealer, you know, gonna find an alien and improve an alien video.
And I was wrong, but the mentality that I had, what I'm about to tell you, was very real to me.
And other people were feeding this beware.
So I just want to say that I don't want people to think, oh, he's telling the story for it.
No, I'm not.
I want to be completely and utterly honest and how kind of scary things did.
Get for me at times.
So I have all this information, what I've just told you, the names, the phone calls.
I said, I think I have enough legs to take this to Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Keen of the New York Times, who were stringers, you know, part time reporters who could submit stories.
Ralph certainly was full time at one time.
They broke the 17 Lou Elizondo A tip story.
And I emailed Ralph and he put me in contact with Leslie Keen.
And they were, much to my amazement, they were impressed enough where they agreed to meet with me at the Midtown Hilton in Manhattan.
Okay.
I got a meeting.
And so I am telling some UFO luminaries and whatnot, and some of my investigators or helpers who are all like, You're going to meet Leslie Keene in New York.
You know who Leslie is.
I'm like, No, I don't.
I don't.
And I don't mean to be, I am not being derogatory at all.
I am just telling you the story.
Nothing happened, but I want to tell this story because this story is about me too.
And I don't mean ego me, but I'm the doofus that's trying to figure this out.
And they're telling me she's with Intel.
And if she's not with Intel, they're following her, they monitor her, she leaks stuff to them.
So they leak stuff to her.
And it's kind of a symbiotic relationship.
And you're going to go meet Leslie Keene.
Because you can give her the names of that video and you can expose those, you're freaking nuts.
And they worked on me, my own people worked on me so much that I literally cased the Hilton for an hour, eating a pita sandwich on the corner to see if anybody was, you know, if this thing hotel was being monitored, stalked.
And I actually, when I got into my room, my mentality, you know, this is my Paul Benowitz breakdown scene for, you know, That happened just for a little bit.
My scenario, and I took a wet towel and I put it underneath the door.
I don't know, do they have smoke that could?
I don't know.
My mind was racing, and of course, nothing happened.
Leslie could not have been nicer.
And her and Ralph show up with COVID masks on.
They look like Thelma and Ned from Otoma, Iowa, walking in the midtown.
I'm like, I'm worried about getting assassinated.
But that was one of the lowest parts of the investigation they have.
That feeling like, what do you think this is a game?
Men have been killed to protect this secret, this secret that you're trying to expose.
And not only the secret, you're going to, if they did the story, you're going to have Lowell Jacoby's name in the New York Times.
Are you freaking mine?
Yeah.
So that's how scary it got for me.
And I never told that story.
And of course, I don't indict Leslie for anything.
Later on, I will tell a story about her.
And Ralph and Leslie, we spent three hours, we had lunch.
And then, about an hour and a half into it, Ralph was like, Stop.
We believe you.
You got enough for us to take to the science editor.
That's the process.
Something like this aliens take to the science editor.
If one, you can do one thing get somebody in uniform, get somebody with the government to come forward to say, We have a retention program.
And I'm like, Never going to happen.
This is not going to, you know, we parted peacefully and happily.
They were very kind to me.
They were, um, Leslie was going to go fake an illness to go to this cardiologist in Connecticut before we knew he was Craig McPheer.
I mean, they were into it.
I mean, Rolf, and I remember one time Rolf was sitting there like this, like plotting how to help me sure disseminate, break down this story.
It's a big story.
Big story.
So, four months later, my wife said, You got to come downstairs.
This guy's on Congress testifying that they have pilots.
And there's David Grosh.
And I'm going, Holy shit.
I'm going to be this story.
My story is going to be in the New York Times.
And I, to this day, don't know why Ralph and Leslie.
Did not at least broach this to say, We have got a, you know, an officer with the Air Force telling you that we've got pilots, craft, there's reverse engineering.
With the craft, our pilots, this might be a pilot.
And I think it goes back to the lot unable to metabolize this.
Sure.
David Grush didn't say that video is real.
And that is my quest right now, is to find someone, just got out.
Is in the military, somebody from the agent of disclosure to look at that video and say, that's fake, this is why, or that's real, and this is why.
But that was a very low turning point in my life when I was so afraid and paranoid that I thought somebody was going to do harm to me.
I then get Scott Walter of American Unearth.
It's a great story.
He's like, I've been communicating with this agent from the National Air and Space Intelligence Center at Wright Paddock.
Have you ever heard of this?
No.
Yeah.
And we vetted him.
He's legit.
He showed us all our credentials.
Like, Scott, you got to put me in contact.
This is the guy that will, you know, because he wants disclosure, this guy.
And he calls himself Holden from Catch 22.
Somebody almost outed him five years ago, got his picture.
But so after about six months, I finally get a hold, right before Thanksgiving, I get a hold of this secret agent from the Wright Pat National Air and Space Intelligence Center.
Very polite.
Very intelligent, nicest guy in the world.
I just want to say, Chris, every military intelligence person that I've ever spoken with, the government hires some really quality people.
I'm complimenting the government.
It's very nice, polite.
That's part of the tradecraft.
So I finally, after I'm an expediter, I do things in seconds and minutes, but the stock market, the car business, I'm not good at waiting.
But I did.
So I finally get a hold of him.
We finally talked a couple days before Thanksgiving.
And he said, Well, I can't tell you everything.
And I said, You've seen the video.
He goes, I have.
I said, You told Scott Walter that it was real.
He said, I did.
He said, I just want to let you know that the government does have a black ops magic department.
They had one on the West Coast at Lookout Mountain, I believe, in the 60s for their missile testing.
This is not uncommon for the government to leak something.
But recreate it so they're not violating national security.
They're not violating this deep secret so they can say, We tried to tell you, we tried to show you this.
And just like Greer, as Holden said, just don't be saddened if that does become the case.
He said, They'll even get actors to look like that military person that should have been there at that time.
He said, They're very, very, very elaborate.
He goes, But that being looks awfully authentic to me.
He's like, I just want to tell you a couple of things about him.
The film on the eye, that is a light deflector, and it is a biofilm.
It's a biological, it's not, you know, celluloid, you know, it's an actual biomaterial.
It does come off.
And that's something I could tell you.
He goes, But I, you know, Scott said you're a good guy.
I want to tell you something that I haven't even told Scott.
No one, no one on the internet has ever said this before.
And I'm like, okay, what is he going to do?
And I will tell you.
He goes, If you want to make a general's Drinking his coffee in the morning, spit up, tell him this.
The new designation, this was three years ago, the new designation of aliens is Saber.
I'm like, like the sword?
He's like, yeah, Saber.
I said, what does that stand for?
He goes, synthetic astrobiological extraterrestrial races.
He goes, now he was telling me this.
Now this is what?
Astrobiological.
Yeah, this, this, I'm not getting melodramatic here, but this was, um, He was helping me getting in with other intel people.
Like, I know things to let me into your circle, let me into the clubhouse.
He was giving me this hyperbolic acronym that to this day I've never found on.
I'm the only one that has ever said this.
So he must have been true that this was a new designation synthetic astrobiological extraterrestrial races, saber.
He goes, I am telling you, you mentioned that.
He goes, You mentioned that in a Starbucks.
In Georgetown, and a two star general is there.
He's going to do the spit take.
I said, I really appreciate it.
I said, but Ralph and Leslie of the New York Times, I need you on camera to tell me this program is real.
He said, I'd be willing to do it, but you got to get it past my commanding officer.
I have put this on Reddit, I've put this on other platforms.
I developed a list of questions for him.
So explosive, so hyperbolic.
But if I was going to interview him, I wanted to get the truth.
I agreed in this form to his commanding officer that he would be silhouetted.
We could voice the sword, just like Victor.
But nonetheless, I had to get answers to these questions.
When was the first contact with extraterrestrials?
Was it before the 1800s?
Does the United States government in their possession any type of biological being, off planet, interstellar, interdimensional, any of the type?
Living or deceased.
What are some of the facilities housing these beans if they have these beans?
I mean, explosive.
I gave it, sent it to his commanding officer at Wright Patton, and he gave me a code for his commanding officer.
Now I'm in the military, you know, like, and I still don't read it, it was like an inaccurate and the fax number.
Okay.
A week, two weeks, three weeks.
I emailed him.
We were emailing each other on signal.
I called Scott Walter.
I'm like, dude, have you heard from Holden?
He's like, no, I haven't.
I'm like, he hasn't.
It's like, John, he's always doing something.
It's going to take some time.
Six weeks go by, seven weeks go by.
I'm like, Scott, am I in trouble here?
This is really starting to freak me out.
This guy was calling me.
He has not returned my email after this explosive thing.
Scott's like, just please, just bear with me.
About two months go by.
And I finally said to Scott, I'm sorry.
FOIA Request Fallout00:06:45
This is ridiculous.
I need to know if, and I am texting this Holden, am I in trouble?
Why won't you just tell me?
Go fly a kite.
Buzz off or whatnot.
Scott's going, I agree.
This is ridiculous.
He said he would try and help you.
I'm going to call him.
About a half hour after Scott Walter told me this, I get this happy, kind, genteel person from the NAISC who is nicer than nice.
I get this text, and you could just tell that somebody was standing over him.
You're going to write this, and you better write this.
Don't ever contact me again.
You are to destroy all of our communications.
You are to destroy your notes of our communications.
I am denying anything that I told you about anything to do with extraterrestrials or the program.
I know I have no knowledge of this program or no authority to tell you anything.
And you, because of your FOIA request, I never told him I did crazy FOIA requests of the Dan Burris documents to the DIA.
I never told him this, Chris.
And because of your FOIA request, you are now on a special watch list of the DOD.
Boom.
Whoa.
And I was like, oh, this nice, you know, nice Chris Ramsey is all of a sudden is like, I'm like, you could just tell somebody forced his hand.
Exactly.
And so.
Wow.
Yeah.
So, you know, I knew that.
When was this?
How many years ago?
20.
Well, it was way.
23?
Ralph and Leslie was August.
When did Grush come for?
23.
So, Ralph and Leslie was August.
So, this was Thanksgiving ish, 2023.
And when I got that, my hand was shaking.
I'm like, how does he know that I did a FOIA request?
I did one to the Department of Defense asking for Colin Powell's travel schedule at this time of this filming.
Okay.
And I sent one to the DIA.
Asking, and I want to talk about this, about the Q94109A document that Dan Bursch brought forward of the extraction of tissue with the pressurized gun because of the neuropathy that J Rod had.
I sent that.
I want all the information for this document.
Now, I contacted Richard Doty, and Doty said, Do you realize what you sent the DIA?
He goes, I don't know if that document is real, but that is a code.
Doty said, John, every.
Area at S4 at the Nellis Test and Training Range has a designation, an alpha designation, Romeo, Quebec, Delta, Bravo.
He goes, Q is the section of S4, 94 is the year that this document was created, and 109 is obviously some kind of department cataloging or whatever number this document.
Doty goes, You sent that to the DIA.
And I said, Yeah.
He goes, Give me a few days.
Dodie calls me back and he said, We got a little bit of an issue.
He goes, I'm talking to somebody at DNI.
He's a friend of mine at the DIA about other things.
And I said, You don't happen to know Jon Stewart.
And Rick said, I said, Rick asked him, You don't happen to know Jon Stewart.
And Rick said, John, just calm down.
He said the guy went, Oh, we know Jon Stewart very well.
His FOIA request sent this quote, trip flares up in our agency.
He goes, Rick, this guy is sending us stuff that we've never even had to look for.
This is like a first time ever.
What he sent this, he wouldn't tell Rick what I sent them.
Now, after this interaction, I call the DIA.
I am friends.
With Cheryl Cross Robinson, who was head of information of DIA.
It's Ray, it's Uncle John, how are you doing?
You know, she's like, Oh, I have the stories of you, you're the alien guy.
It was that informal.
But I get this guy named Andrew on the phone.
I said, I sent a FOIA request a couple of months ago.
I have not heard anything about it.
He said, Okay, what's your name?
John Stewart.
And he went, Hmm.
And I get this, I've gotten this a lot.
He goes, Well, this is strange.
I said, What's the problem?
He said, Your name is on our file logging system.
But there's no file attached to your name.
I said, What's the problem with that?
He doesn't know.
I could be asking about an antenna relay at S4 or Area 51.
Again, doesn't know what I'm talking about.
He goes, Well, you can't get on this FOIA file system.
This is Andrew at the DIA FOIA department without having a file attached.
Somebody had to come in and remove it.
This was said to me.
I said, Okay.
He goes, Let me do some digging for you.
I'll find out what happened.
He goes, I don't know how this happened.
You have to have a file.
Somebody removed it for whatever reason.
I get a call back in about 30 minutes.
Now it's like Colden.
Mr. Stewart.
Yeah.
This is Andrew, the DIA.
Hi.
What's going on?
Yeah.
So, you know, we found your request.
You're going to get an email from the information officer, and then you're going to get a hard copy.
And that's the end of it.
And that's, you know, I said, well, who took my file off?
He said, I don't know.
He goes, but this is what I've been told, and you're going to get the information.
You're going to get an email in a few minutes.
I get this email.
From the DIA.
But in the body of the email says, due to the unique nature of your FOIA request, we are going to have to conduct interdepartmental conferences and meetings to discuss the way we are going to disseminate this information to you.
Whoa.
Like they're going to, you know, the DIA is going to go over to the NSA, to the DOD, and they're going to be around a conference room with bagels and coffee talking about me and my crazy request.
And, um, And, and, you know, you're treading on this water of like, Jesus, is the rug going to be pulled out?
Am I really poking the nest?
The hornet's nest?
You know, am I getting myself into trouble?
Narrative Control Tests00:13:15
And everybody wants to talk about Rick Doty.
Rick Doty has told me nothing about this film.
And he's either protecting Victor or protecting the entire program.
Yes, he said, look, I know we have an extraterrestrial.
Retention and interrogation program.
He goes, John, that is the unofficial name of it.
I can tell you that.
He goes, but I was never down at the third and fourth level.
A counterintelligence agent telling you he wasn't somewhere.
And Dodie, Dodie, one thing I respect and can tell about Dodie is the same with Victor.
There is reticence and I want to get you the right.
I had it somewhere.
Perception receptors, which is Dodie has never said to me, Look, I'm going to tell you honestly, we have an alien program.
Victor, I'm not going to lie to you.
Yes, this was a real alien.
Those are perception receptors that people, that liars use, those pre qualifiers.
Dodie and Victor have never said that.
If anything, Richard Dodie and Victor have been reticent.
I don't know.
I'm not sure.
I wasn't briefed in on that.
I can't tell you.
Those, according to the FBI agent and to the Reed School police officers, are hallmarks of someone telling you the truth, which we talked, you and I talked off camera.
Truth tellers are, they limit their information.
It's, what are you asking me?
I will tell you.
There is no more, there's no drama to it.
They don't flourish.
They don't build upon information to convince you that it's truth.
And that is something that I was very impressed.
With Richard Doty, what he didn't tell me that he did not know, whether that was truth or not.
Yeah, that's a hot topic, you know, Richard Doty in this space, because anybody, whether it's William Moore, Richard Doty, or even, you know, as recent as Lou Elizondo, anytime you're involved with counterintelligence, the red flags, you know, and skepticism about these people's, you know, agendas start popping up.
But what are you doing over?
A counterintelligence agent tells you, I don't know.
Right.
No.
Well, help me.
No, this is not an interview.
This is a.
Dialogue.
Help me.
I don't know what to do with that.
No, yeah.
Is that another counterintelligence aspect?
Potentially.
If you tell them you don't know, then that sounds like.
But I mean, potentially, I don't know.
Keeping an open mind to all of that is definitely the way to go and just kind of absorbing the information.
All right, I want to talk about this for a second.
You had tweeted out that there's two things you can't talk about.
All right.
And I'm going to push you a little bit on this.
Sure.
You said one of the two things you can't talk about.
Was some timeline manipulation or something to that effect.
The future.
Yeah.
What I gathered was Project Looking Glass.
Why did you have to say that?
Am I not allowed to say that?
Is that something?
No, you said it.
I didn't say it.
I said, I have no idea what you're talking about.
It's what I gathered.
And the second thing was other species.
Correct.
Other species of aliens, specifically, or non human intelligence.
Correct.
You had said, and I think this is your words my intelligence handlers.
Now, of course, I'm poking people out there.
Oh, I knew he's CIA.
They're my advisors.
Okay.
Helpers.
Is Richard Doty one of those helpers?
Well, he's part of one of the 11.
Okay.
I'm trying to give.
I had seven.
It went to nine.
I have 11.
Okay.
Is Richard Doty someone I called for?
What does this mean?
What does that mean?
Richard Doty.
Was he the one to tell you not to talk about these things?
Oh, absolutely not.
Okay.
That's what I want to know.
Thank you.
Absolutely not.
The person telling you this is one person?
One person and another person.
So one person said.
He picked up what he said.
Oh, okay.
Is this person active intelligence?
No.
Okay.
So former intelligence.
Correct.
Correct.
Okay.
I think.
Which department?
I'm not going to say that.
Come on.
Okay.
Well, I'm going to ask anyways.
Hey, can I?
No, go ahead.
I'm not going to interrupt you.
John Ramirez?
Don't know.
Never spoke with John Ramirez in my life.
I know who he is.
Okay.
Seems like a nice guy.
I never spoke to him in my life.
Never spoke to him in your life.
Hand of God.
I never spoke with John Ramirez ever.
Okay.
Like to.
All right.
John?
He's great.
I'd like to.
He's very nice.
He's very friendly and very open.
I actually like John a lot.
Well, I'm going to tell you something here.
With talking about the future timelines, that is bringing me into this.
Is my opinion that is bringing me into talking about technology.
I am alive today, in my opinion, without getting melodramatic.
I think I am alive today that the stalking has only been with my phone from the government because I have no idea.
And have never talked about and never given, please listen to me, anything to do with technology.
That is all that the East Coast intelligence agencies care about at this point.
Who has technology?
Will they give it to our enemies?
Do they know something we don't?
And Jon Stewart has all my emails, they must have said, this guy's talking about gray.
But specifically, that is keeping me safe.
Yeah, but time travel is a concept.
I didn't see time travel.
You did.
I said future.
Okay.
Future, looking glass, time travel, all this.
Well, I mean, because Project Looking Glass was one of the three projects that Bob Lazar was briefed on.
He was briefed on Looking Glass, Sidekick, and Galileo.
Sidekick being, you know, weaponizing the technology, Galileo, the propulsion, and Looking Glass, the manipulation or possibly the dilation of time in order to peer into the future, the past, some other timeline, whatever it is.
Now, what do you know about?
Looking glass that they don't want you to talk about?
Or is it they just don't want you to say the word?
Are you kidding me?
Well, I'm like, do you know anything?
No.
No.
Well, then why would they be so afraid?
I was going to explain.
Okay.
Two things.
This is my opinion.
I think that these little tests or these little requests is more about can this guy keep his mouth shut, even something innocuous?
Sure.
Even something that maybe isn't even a big deal.
I don't know if that program you talked about.
Right.
I'm just saying.
Okay.
Can Jon Stewart keep his mouth shut?
Well, you tweeted it.
I didn't tweet.
I didn't tweet that name, did I?
Well, you pretty much.
You like bleeped out a few letters.
I mean, I mean.
But I didn't tweet that name.
I'm no king of Wheel of Fortune, but I mean.
But I've never talked about it at great length.
No.
Right.
You didn't, in fact, even prior to this, you didn't mention it.
Right.
I was the one to bring it up because I read the tweet.
And the tweet is, you know, it definitely points to that.
And I remember the day it happened.
It was, don't ever ask about it.
And I am telling you, do not ever bring it up on any of your podcasts or whatnot.
And I don't want you talking about other podcasts.
Species other than the grays.
And if you stick to the grays, you will be safe.
I can guarantee it.
And I have done exactly that.
And I find it funny.
Yes, I come off as a very easygoing, funny guy, Italian from Chicago, you know.
And I, but I believe that those who want to leak things and want disclosure and drip drip and find nudge nicks like me, I believe that there are certain.
That there is a, if you mention my name in certain groups and intelligence factions of non retired and current people in intelligence, it is my opinion that it's the good guy, Jon Stewart, good guy.
You can trust him.
I am trustworthy.
Tell me something, I'm going to put it in the vault.
I respect that.
I can't believe it.
How I kept our, you told me not to bleep, talk about you coming on here, how I kept that.
But, But I've been, I've been, I've gotten good at not saying it in too much detail.
I appreciate that, you know, and I will pry and feel free to continue to not talk about it, but I have to ask for it.
I understand.
But the idea if someone came to me and said, don't talk about these two things, right?
Don't talk about this one thing, we'll call this project.
And then don't talk about other species other than the grays and you'll be safe.
Like this direct quote.
So, direct quote.
Okay.
So, this to me doesn't tell me that.
This to me tells me that there's a narrative forming and that they want you to uphold the narrative.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And it tells me that the narrative.
Are you being handled?
Yes, to some degree.
Of course.
Well, it tells me that the narrative is A, obviously, looking glass is important.
Sorry.
Jesus Christmas.
All right.
And B, that I mean, I don't know what to make of the other one.
I just find it whether it's them trying to create, you know, this distance between us and the species physically because, you know, such a massive difference.
But in reality, you know, is it because the other species, Are like us, you know?
Is it because that's what's happening and that's what they want to cover?
Is like the fact that they're here, they're like us, they look like us, they're around, or is it the fact that they're like bugs and they're, you know, strange looking?
Like, what's the, what do you think is the reason?
Okay, we won't even talk about the other species.
What do you think is the reason for them not wanting you to talk about them?
And I'll bleep out every looking glass that I put in this podcast if you like.
Whatever you want to do.
I believe that sticking with the grays, it's possible that because they are potentially a biological android and maybe not as sentient as we like to think they are, they're part machine, part biological makeup, that they are less of a visual and perceived threat, if that makes sense.
You know, it's sending out the.
What's more scary, your Doberman pincher?
I think this is, I'm coming on a good analogy here or metaphor.
Your Doberman pincher or your Roomba vacuum cleaner?
Right.
I'm just saying, the Roomba vacuum cleaner is a mechanical piece.
Right.
You're saying it's an easier pill to swallow.
I believe so.
I think that even.
Well, that would only be true if the aliens looked absolutely hideous like bugs, but not if they look like us.
Right.
I look, I'm just simply telling you what I was instructed to do.
Were you ever given information on any other species?
Oh, that's a good question.
No.
Okay.
And I'm telling you that.
No, I believe you.
Yeah, no.
I've never asked.
I've been Victor, Victor, Victor, alien, alien, tan alien, round eyes, you know.
What's the.
I mean, I've heard things about grays, other grays and whatnot, you know, that some have sexual appendages.
Yeah, some don't.
Some don't.
Taller, shorter.
Right.
Four and a half feet to three feet.
Wrap around almond eyes.
Hybrids.
Gray, blue, light tan, peanut butter.
Yeah.
Peanut butter?
Peanut butter color.
That was Linda Howe.
A dark, real, real dark, ruddy brown.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I've heard a mixture of a lot about the grays.
But we don't want to talk about Nordics.
We don't want to talk about Mantis.
I'm not, and I don't know anything about them.
So that's so strange to me that, like, they would.
Well, Chris, if I'm going to, it's 1975 and I want to expose the pro wrestling industry as fake.
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And I've just found this referee that's willing to do it.
I am going to give him tests.
I'm going to give him pre qualifiers.
I'm going to see if he can follow the line, if he's trustworthy.
And can we?
Don't you believe me?
And it's worked for me because my intelligence cohort has added, it is not diminished.
Despite pissing off some people from the evil.
Well, to your knowledge, right?
Did I just say that?
I mean, just to your knowledge as well.
You don't know, you know, because like obviously, you know, you've ruffled feathers.
Oh, God.
Maybe even more than ruffled feathers, but you've caused a stir enough for you to probably breach that barrier of being technologically monitored to being infiltrated.
You know, like that's how I see it.
I see it as like not only are your phones and emails tapped at this point, you've breached a new level where.
We're going to send somebody into your life that's going to befriend you, that's going to be the nicest person you've ever talked to, that'll meet your family, that you'll bring home for Thanksgiving, and that'll go golfing with.
And before you know it, they've got their claws in you, they've got their hooks in you, and now they're telling you what to say and what not to say.
Like, I mean, that to me would be concerning if that happened to me.
I would be very concerned.
Other than the chairman, he is the.
How can I put this?
I'm not going to even say it.
I understand what you're saying.
And so, knowing that.
But, like, I contacted Dodie.
My wife did actually on Facebook.
Okay, that's fine.
But I'm not referring to Dodie.
I'm referring to this other gentleman.
I was going to finish my.
Yeah.
Most of my intel, I have contacted or I have asked for that person to contact me from another person, you know, from another intel person.
So, nobody in your circle has contacted you out of the blue.
Well, the chairman did.
Okay.
My biggest leaker.
Yeah.
But look what he gave me.
He gave me an email from his friend.
I mean, I agree.
Yeah.
No, for sure.
Yeah.
It's, it's, it's, yeah.
And his friend's, it's just his friend wrote his first name on the bottom and said, please don't associate my name with this material.
Like, like I would tell you.
I'm just saying.
So, the chairman is really the only person that has emailed me out of the blue.
And what did he email me?
Gold.
But, um, But I understand what you're saying.
It is concerning.
And if somebody told me what I could and couldn't talk about, I mean, that would bug the shit out of me.
I knew it was a test, so to speak.
How could we trust this guy?
So now do you think you've broken that trust?
I didn't say anything about any future projects or programs, or you did.
So you don't know anything about this?
I really don't.
All I can say is one thing.
Why?
Okay.
Do you really want the entire world to know how to go into the future to see if their kid dies at 10 or their wife cheats on them with somebody at work or that they're going to get ruined in this?
Do you really want the entire world to have this technology of looking into the future?
And that's your answer of why two intelligence assets have kept me completely away from that subject.
Is that what they told you?
No.
Do I want the military industrial complex making that decision for me?
That's the other question.
I think that, look, you're going to not like this answer, but you have no idea what it's like to run the entire world or be president of the United States.
You don't know what it's like to think for 350 million people.
I don't either.
That's definitely true.
And I think that is 90% of this draconian, I know I use that word a lot, the draconian structure that is oppressing this secret is we don't, we Cannot let it get into our enemy's hands because if it does, God help the fate of the world.
We know right now, and I want to finish my entire speech with this, but right now, the most important question and the most important phenomenon in the history of the world resides in a country that is run at least part and parcel by democracy.
Thank God.
But they are also someone's enemy.
I understand that.
You know, if I was in another country and my enemy was America, I would also be saying the same thing do I want America having this in their hands?
Like, Right.
To say that we're bad at it.
So it's a race to the top of the baseball bat like when we were in grade school.
Yeah, it's just, I suppose.
And that's how scary the technology must be that they have that if this gets with any other country who is nefarious, who does not have good intentions or can rule the world.
I agree.
I agree fundamentally.
I do agree that there are national security risks to a lot of this information.
I suppose I just want to know if any of it is real.
Right.
And that's it.
Right.
I'm not looking to reverse engineer a time machine.
Right.
I'm not that smart and I don't know anybody who is, but I do, you know, if you're not going to meet me halfway and be like, here are the crafts or we have crafts or we have, if you're not going to meet me halfway, well, then we're all just going to keep digging until we find something sensitive.
Right.
And when I find, they're going to tell me this is real or not.
And when I find something sensitive, like a project name, and they're like, don't talk about that, guess what I'm talking about?
I'm talking about the project name because I want them to at least acknowledge something.
Give us something, let us know.
I understand that.
They never said, none of my friends can talk about it or admonish anyone.
Me, Jon Stewart.
Now, is that stay on mission, stay on point, don't touch something?
Maybe it is something very delicate.
What's the end game?
What's the future?
What's for you?
What's the end game with these things?
The end game is for somebody in the freaking government or a former military person to stand up and say, This, this is this doctor, this is this doctor, this is the facility was at, this is real, I know this is real, I know where this body is, and stop laughing at Jon Stewart.
Or not laughing.
We're going to give Jon Stewart the truth.
Noble, and I respect that, but if I were them, I would see how long I could keep stringing you on.
Probably.
I would just keep drip feeding you random stuff and keep telling you what to say, what to say.
But everything they drip feed me comes to fruition.
And that's how that works.
Right.
And that's how that works.
Why would I want to say that?
Because it's to gain trust.
Well, because you're never, I don't think.
I don't think these people willingly ever give anything up that's of value.
I think you may be right.
I think you're, you know, when you're playing with these people, they are also just taking orders.
There's also like, oh, there's probably a case file on you right now, like with, you know, what to give you next and what to, you know, and that would bug me.
But I guess if you have no other choice, because where else are we going to get this info?
Could it be, you know, 11 intelligence former operatives and contractors that want disclosure and are very careful about what they tell me?
Is that, Can't that be the news of all?
Possibly, possibly for sure.
You know, definitely, but they are intelligence agencies.
You know, they are smart.
They do.
And then, yeah, it's.
And they have a lot of power.
You're right.
And they can be very protective.
Yeah.
I suppose.
And that bothers me because that, you know, that is an obfuscation brought on by, you know, my due diligence and my, you know, my honoring my security oaths and.
Well, then you should have never called me in the first place.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
No, I agree.
We should have never picked up the phone in one eye or never returned my email.
You know, go away, kid.
That's the murky water of the UFO scape, anyways.
Is like, you know, on one side, the argument can be made, oh, it's all this, but the equal and opposite argument exists as well, constantly.
And that somewhere in between lies a psyop.
And like, I mean, you've got a guy like John Lear saying, oh, they put that into Jon Stewart's head in 2019.
Yeah.
Start researching this bullshit.
Yeah.
I'm a type A alpha male.
You know, I want to hunt, I want to aggressive.
And this, this thing, this film bothered me.
And I did this on my own.
There wasn't any intelligence person.
And you got Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot that'll tell everybody that'll listen to her, they chose Jon Stewart.
That was told to me on a podcast, they chose you.
I don't believe that.
I don't believe that for one second.
I think they went, oh, I remember Dodie's first email back to me.
You're investigating the alien interview.
You are on a very interesting endeavor.
He must have shit in his pants when he saw after 30 years somebody was going to start investigating this interview and not crap in his pants, scared like, oh, this is wow.
Yeah.
Like somebody coming to me, Mr. Short, I want to investigate the possible murder of that female wrestler back in 62.
And like, I'd be like, oh, interesting.
If somebody came to you right now and be honest, oh, I don't like the way this question is.
Well, if they came to you right now and said, listen, I'll tell you everything, but you just got to keep playing ball and keep pretending and keep doing and keep, we're going to tell you what to say, but I'll feed everything to you, everything you've ever wanted to know about this program.
But we got to send you on a wild goose chase publicly.
Do I have to lie publicly?
You'll have to.
No, not lie.
Omit.
Yes.
I would take that deal.
You would take that deal?
Yes.
Until I know mankind or my neighbors were in danger.
The correct.
That is my.
I appreciate the honest answer there because I think a lot of people would have lied to that answer.
You know, it's the Tommy Lee Jones in Space Cowboys.
You'd leave me down there and go to space?
Hell yeah, I would.
You know, yeah.
I would walk away.
To find the truth, who Victor is?
Yeah.
God, that would be a tough choice, though, because that would eat at you.
Don't harm my neighbors or my wife or kids.
But it eats at a lot of people.
I know it does.
But I'm the one investigating.
I'm the one that spent $30,000.
I'm the one taking the heat.
I can find the truth, and the deal is go out there as a blabbering buffoon.
You don't think I could leak stuff behind them, maybe, or in speech or.
I could figure something out.
And if I could, I couldn't.
But yeah, I would take that deal.
I'm sorry.
No, there's no one behind me writing a check to cover my losses.
That's right.
I appreciate the honest answer.
I really do.
Thank you.
I came here to be honest.
Do you want to answer some audience questions?
Oh, God.
Yeah, of course.
All right.
Is it true you hit Sergeant Slaughter over the head with a chair in nine?
This is about aliens.
What the hell?
Why has this video been allowed to spread publicly when so many less compelling ones have been squashed by MOL?
Because I think that there's two answers to that.
One of them is if this is real, when this came out, I think the government's sphincter probably was, you could make a diamond out of a lump of coal.
And I think, and I. On good foundation, that they just said, We are up Schitt's Creek.
Let's see what happens.
Let's see where this goes.
At the very least, we'll see how the public reacts to it.
Well, why do I think the government knows who Victor is?
Absolutely.
Why didn't they prosecute Victor?
It's called Discovery.
You want the government to prosecute Victor about the alien film?
Then all of a sudden.
I thought it's fake.
Why are you prosecuting about.
Three feet of, you know, 16 feet of cellophane film.
It's fake.
Oh, you're prosecuting him because it's not fake.
So there was a real catch 22 that the government is still in with this film.
And I think I play an important part of bringing the government out.
I coined this phrase myself bringing the government out of the closet.
Let this guy go through the whole maturations and he'll eventually, you know, find Victor's Cub Scout pack and a neighbor and we're out of it.
And maybe we can go, well, he's a crazy car dealer, wrestler, but yeah, yeah, he did a good job.
And, you know, and it diminishes it.
Do you know who Victor is?
I do.
You've met him?
No, no, no.
You spoke to him?
I just know his name and I have his face.
You have his name and face.
How is that?
Was that just through your investigation or was that given to you?
No, the director of both documentaries, Jeff Broadsky, who does not care about aliens or anything.
Didn't he do follow up documentaries about aliens?
He might have done one or he was a guest of.
A guest on one, like some.
Oh, it was like a guest on it?
Okay.
He gave me for $500, I got the first name, Stanton, which I thought was Stan.
That's why I thought it was Stan Dale, because he looks just like Victor.
Victor looks identical to Stan Dale, the old ufologist.
But it's not Stan Dale.
What was that look?
He's got the same name.
Well, I've got to look for a guy that looks like Stan Dale, but is a jerk like Bill Moore that speaks French.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, speaks French.
Yeah, he spoke French in the 2008 documentary, talked the deluge of the solar, and talked about Sardo and Cicero and quoting philosophers and the Zoltine calendar.
And so Jeff said, I will give you the full name.
I will give you the two cities that we've picked him up at for the documentaries for $5,000.
What a gatekeep for this guy.
My wife's like, You've already spent $27,000.
You're not writing him a check for a couple of years.
The angel of angels came through.
His name is Brian Pembel, he's a UFO researcher.
He's on X from Tucson, Arizona.
And he said, I will cover half.
I want to know who Victor is.
I have tears in my eyes like, You are really going to help me do this.
So we PayPal Jeff.
I put this on Clint Walden's night shift.
I put the PayPal that we sent Jeff Broadstreet.
I actually think it was $4,200.
And Broadstreet, like Victor, Mr. Pandactic said, Well, I want the fee that PayPal is going to charge me.
So we had to give him like another $100.
I'm like, Are you a Victor?
And so we get it.
So we are waiting for the email.
Victor's name that Jeff Broadstreet said, Jeff Broadstreet was shown a tattered social security card with the prefix 262, which is a Florida birth.
From Victor, not his driver's license.
Victor never took off his sunglasses.
Interesting.
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Was a guy by the name of Stanton John Willett.
So we go to the computer.
There is a John Stanton Willett who died in October of last year, who lived 10 miles from me.
Well, of course, this is John Stewart.
And Jeff brought she.
Now, this is when we go back to deception detective work.
Jeff said, I did look at a social security card.
It wasn't John.
I am positive.
Stanton John Willett.
So we spent $600 with a private detective in Chicago.
She's like, there is no one.
Now think about this Jeff Broadstreet was given a name that has never been born in America since 1650.
Right.
Isn't that a little weird?
Isn't that a little intel y that you have come up with a name that is nowhere?
So.
Now, I don't want to say how because I don't want to get arrested.
But the same methodology we use to see Bob Lazar on the EGG entry log.
This is an entry log into Groom Lake in the Nellis Test and Training Range, kept by EGG with Bob Lazar's names on it for 92 days.
John Stanton Willett's name was on it.
Wow.
Working for EGG.
Now, I have produced another log line from this book.
When we thought, when we got the first name Stanton, I found a Stanton Howe who was a scientist and worked out at Area 51.
I'm like, this is Victor.
And we called his family.
His son's like, stop calling me.
You're crazy.
And click.
And that wasn't Victor.
But I got his log line.
And it's last name, a line.
This is what the Groom Lake log.
I am the only person that has ever brought out a document from Area 51.
And I'm proud to say that.
It was Howe, a line, Stanton, I think J, his middle initial, whether he was a civilian or military, CIV or MIL, whether he was a resident staying over on the base or not, the time duration of he was allowed on the base, like a June of 82 to July of 84, usually his two year stints.
Same thing, Bob Lazard, same lineage, Bob.
Had and Stanton and Woody worked for.
And Stanton Howe, the fake Victor, was Lockheed.
Now, people have told me that because I've had seven people I've interviewed that were on Area 51, they said at times you could work for Chris Ramsey Dynamics, but Lockheed will get you entry onto the base if I'm grabbing you from Chris Ramsey Dynamics Electronics Company to help us on a radar application.
Sure.
Lockheed will be your contractor.
Contractor.
Which I thought was interesting.
A little tidbit there.
And Stanton John Willett worked for EGG.
Again, we go to the EGG.
We find out that they did high tie, top secret audiovisual documentation for us.
They also hired the pilots at Janet Airlines.
And Wackenhop.
Yep.
They hired them.
Very.
Yeah, they were everywhere.
They were everywhere there.
They were the ones who built the whole thing.
So, cool.
So, Stanton John Willett is nowhere.
What we'd like to do.
Except on a log at Area 51.
Correct.
Now I get a.
One of my Intel people hooks me up with a.
This is Tom Clancy.
Forget it.
It's.
It's.
All I can say is this is that we are.
I have been told that Stanton John Willett was an Intel name identity given to him by.
By an intelligence three letter.
Okay.
It was a pseudonym.
Correct.
And that's like I told you earlier you can only get on Area 51 with your real name or an approved official gnome de plume from an intelligence agency.
We believe Stanton John Willett is not his real name.
And I've been told by various sources look for a Stanton somewhere that, or a Victor or something or a variation.
They oftentimes will use the real first name of someone to, so it's not so detached from their real identity.
Yeah.
So they're not.
Correct.
So we were all then.
The director told us in '96, Victor flew in from Arizona.
And this is amazing.
In 2008, we picked Victor up at a residence in Rancho Cucamonga, California.
The former FBI agent, private detective in Chicago said, I heard Victor say mean, mean.
It's called California English.
And this guy thinks that Victor's like, all right, mean.
The FBI guy told me this.
And I went back and I heard it, and he does say it.
He says, I think Victor spent a lot of time in California.
Sure enough, Chuck Rodstreet says in Southern California.
What we would like to do now, somebody on Reddit, another internet angel, Mr. Stewart, do you know they lighten Victor's face?
You can see what he looks like.
And I went on to Reddit, and he looks like Stan Dale with the beard, the goatee, the fake hair.
We would like to take this photo, give it to the city manager, because Rancho Cucamonga does not have a mayor.
And give it to the city manager to tell the newspaper in Rancho Cook.
Could you help this guy?
This is an interesting story.
We've got a huge whistleblower allegedly from our area.
Here's his name and face.
Can somebody from his Cub Scout pack his high school?
Sure.
Because I don't believe the government can, it's called sheep dipping.
I don't believe the government can sheep dip your neighbors, your Cub Scout group members.
Not everyone.
And they can do it if they've given you a fake name.
You'll never find that.
But if his name is Stanton, Johnson.
And he looks like that.
It looks like that.
We've got our man.
So that is our next avenue with Victor.
Sorry.
I didn't mean to go off on a chance.
No, yeah, it's very interesting.
Please keep us posted.
Okay.
It's like being on a game show.
Have you had any men in black interactions since starting your research and coming forward?
No.
No.
No name.
No knocks on the door.
And I've said it to everyone and I've said it on podcasts.
Hey.
Everyone tells you which agency they're from when they talk to you?
Well, no.
They're from the 2764th Detachment Wing out of Belvoir.
They do hire actors, they do hire weird looking people.
They are trained.
Are you talking about the men in black?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I mean, the people that you're around, they've always given you, they've always come forward with who they were with.
Like what department they were with?
Some, some have, and some haven't.
Okay.
And how do you know their intelligence if they haven't?
I guess I, you know, I guess you're right.
All right.
Great point.
But no, I have no interaction with Men in Black, and I've said it publicly.
You'd stop stealing my emails.
You want me to stop that I've touched on something that's going to compromise national security?
Be a man.
That's that's that's that's combative.
I'm sorry.
Be a gentleman, be a woman, a lady.
Knock on my door, show me your credentials.
I'll take you out for coffee.
I'll go show you the Home Alone house.
We'll take pictures and you can tell me why I should stop and I'll stop.
I'm happy to do that too.
I think that's like a good, happy middle ground with like national security and stuff.
There's too many, there's, there's, there's, you know, there's no need for no tomfoolery.
No, I will show you what I am.
Yeah, there's a lot of this because like.
You know, people say, Oh, they're getting warnings, or like, Oh, my phone, I'm hearing a clicking.
It's like, just be overt.
Let's just all just come into the light.
The best antiseptic is sunlight.
And that brings me to I had two different emails.
We, so groups of intel men, not my intelligence people, believe that you have been, the spy program, Stingray Centipede, has been performed on your phone.
They had to get a court order.
It's not like you did anything illegal.
It's a counterintelligence spy program.
It's called Stingray Centipede.
That's what we think has happened to your phone.
Another group said this is too sloppy.
The United States government wouldn't steal your emails and let you know that your emails are gone.
We think it's like China or Russia or Israel.
Oh, weird.
Keep you up at night.
Another thing.
All right, last question here from the audience.
Maybe my favorite question.
This is a tough question.
Okay.
Get ready.
I'm an open book.
All right.
If I can answer it, I can answer it.
You ready?
In the red corner, Victor or Oscar, as we now know him.
In the blue corner, Skinny Bob, who wins or is it a draw?
Okay.
Here's what I know Skinny Bob has the same owner's signature and timestamp as the Victor video.
Yeah.
You've pointed that out before.
I don't know what that, I don't know how.
I find that suspect.
I do find it interesting, but I also find that the.
It would have been much harder to put a timestamp on a film than it is digitally.
And so the timestamp that's on the Victor video is more impressive.
A group of five special effects people said this that Skinny Bob was put through a program called Shutter Stock.
Yeah, which is my daughter's got that.
Yeah.
I've seen all that.
I've done my due diligence on that.
Yeah.
I'm going to tell you why.
And they can't, again, I can't figure this out.
They can't figure out how the black. Triangle redaction was placed on that electronic film, not a real film.
They said that on a YouTube.
They were all sitting there like, I don't know how you do that.
Yeah.
And I don't know.
Corridor crew or whatever.
Yeah.
Now that made me go.
When I looked into it as well, I saw the filters were obviously fake, but the core video has still yet to be done.
I believe it's real.
And I think I know the provenance of it, which was you can let this out, but you have to put it through some sort of a filter to give it a straw man argument that people can.
Trying to debunk it.
Like, oh, that's through shutter stock and it's over.
That is what I've been told about Skinny Bob.
And that it was not in Russian captivity.
It was like a planned leak once again.
I think so.
Okay, that's all the questions from the audience.
Thank you for answering those.
We want to touch on one more thing?
Well, I just, you know, I want to encourage people, maybe not to be as crazy as I have for after six years and all the money I've spent, but I just want to go over without petting myself, crediting the internet, just by going out on podcasts and doing this for six years, what other people have helped us.
And I don't even think you even realize this is to my group and to the internet that.
We have the first document out of Area 51, the Stanton Howell log line.
We have verified the Wilson Davis memo.
We found two men, Kasternick and another military general, that were in the Wilson Davis memo.
Okay.
We found those on documents on what's called the military bulletin board.
It's like an internal memo board for DOD people.
And somebody on the internet found the two names.
One was a brigadier general, and one was a, and they were in the scientific advisory.
They had SAB, their name.
These two names were on the Wilson Davis memo.
We found them on total innocuous documents on this military bulletin board.
And I'm happy to prove Eric Davis, you know, I don't know if he denies it or not.
Well, he definitely does not talk about it at all.
He was asked about it.
He said, I will not talk about it.
We found Paul Kaminsky, USDA, um, um, Technology and Brigadier General Mike Kostelinick, O U S D A N T.
And those were both on the Wilson Davis memos.
People were saying those are fake generals, but we found them.
We found them on innocuous military, and I'm very proud of that.
The internet.
I think one of the biggest stories in ufology, and I don't know, I think people really do hate me.
They don't want to see me win.
We have proven.
I don't think that's true.
I'm being flippant.
Yeah.
But we have proven the OPNAC BB, the OPN, the Psalm 01 Extraterrestrial Recovery Manual is real.
I've been in contact with Ryan Wood.
Yeah, he's done a lot of work on that.
He's got the measurements that he's got the raised Z, the crate sizes.
Yeah, I mean, I looked at all of that as well.
Yeah, it's very compelling.
Everything in that document is searchable.
All of the names are retreads.
S4, the blue room at right pad, except one line.
Well, S4 was also, there was like a point of contention, was the S-4.
Right.
That wouldn't be.
And you know there is an S4 at Tonopo.
Yeah, there's also, yeah, S4 is like just a storage facility, I think, that they use it for elsewhere.
There's one line that no one could figure out since 1954: where to bring living biological aliens.
And it was a facility called Opnek BBS-01.
And it said: this is where you take living that aren't degenerated, living extraterrestrials.
Specimens.
No.
Sitting there one day, Mr. Stewart, this is on YouTube, on a chat room.
I think I know what OPNAC that you've been talking about is.
It's the oceanic platform for the North Atlantic and the Caribbean.
And I'm like, layman's terms, offshore platform.
Mr. Stewart, they've got biological specimens.
They don't know if they're a contaminant to the continental United States and to people.
They would want them on a facility that's separate offshore.
Also, know where you can drive to.
Right, exactly.
And now, another Italian guy named Adriano Andiamo, I think if I'm saying his name right, says, I know what the BBS is.
It was.
The Bermuda Biological Station attached to the offshore platform.
Whoa.
Wait a minute.
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Jon Stewart the Investigator.
Who created OPNAC and BBS?
A guy by the name of, now I sound like UAP Gerb.
A guy by the name of Dr. Arthur Sherlock.
He was a millionaire.
He donated this platform to who?
The United States Navy.
They didn't talk about aliens in his bio.
And what else did he help the Navy with?
Propulsion.
I know you're interesting.
Interesting.
Art Sherlock, Dr. Art Sherlock was like a.
What year was this?
50s?
40s?
40s?
But they used this facility for aliens in 54 up until 62 when S2 Alpha at Papoose Lake was built.
And we have the FOIA document from that.
And then they transferred from there to Utah.
That's correct.
Yeah.
That's correct.
And in the mid 90s, I believe the Papoose Lake facility has been under caretaker status since the mid 90s.
And probably since Bob Lazar.
Oh, yeah.
The minute Lazar came out, the wheels were implemented to switch the program.
I think it's interesting, too, because Victor had mentioned that the alien was brought to S4 in '89.
I wonder if that was the big thing that made the Russians leave.
Because there was something, there was some discovery, according to Bob, that happened at S4, at Papoose.
The Russians disparted.
And they were working very closely with the Russians.
And if you're working with the Russians, it must have been of Utter importance to work with like your enemy like that, like so closely to leave them into like the most deepest part of the bowels of like the secrecy.
And then just to kick them out, there must have been like some massive discovery.
And then this guy's saying that the alien was brought there in 89.
So I wonder if that was the reason they were like, get the Russians out of here, get us some psychics in the mountains of Vermont.
Yeah.
I wish I knew the provenance of that bean.
What crash or what hard landing?
Do you know that two remote viewing groups?
There's another thing, folks, separate from Jon Stewart.
Do you know that two remote viewing groups remote viewed that this alien interview video opposed from me?
Yeah.
And both said, We're seeing a tanned bean.
He's sick.
He's distressed.
There's a partition and he's in a no man's land.
No man's land is Papoose Lake.
That's a nuclear fallout, basically.
Yeah.
And to the point where Richard Dolan, Was in on the session is like Jon Stewart's Don Quixote, the windmill, the alien interview.
Richard Dolan said, I believe it's real from this blind study and from what John has told us.
Do you think it kind of matches the description loosely to Dan Bursch's, but not entirely?
Dan's had scales on it too and was like more brown.
Dan was in a biosphere.
These people specifically said a partition.
We're seeing a partition.
Yeah, that's the other thing.
Yeah, it was a biosphere to protect it.
Okay.
Yeah, I just want to say, look, look, you know.
That, unlike Paul Benowitz, that did not have a good interaction, I actually emailed Bill Moore, who everyone told me he would never email me back.
And he has emailed me back.
He also is so frustrated with me, told me not to email him again until March.
And as Rick Doty said, you do realize you made Bill Moore crazy, the guy that's supposed to reverse.
I said, I charged Costanza to him.
He literally said, do not contact me until March 15th to the Ides of March.
I just want to say one thing.
Why until March 15th?
It's the eyes of March.
He's very hyper intelligent.
If I would tell you he was Victor, but he said he's not, but he knows everything about it.
And I just want to tell you what he left me, what he said to me.
He claims he wasn't Victor, claims he had the necktie that Victor wore, that he threw it away six years ago, that he knows who Victor is, and that he's played a small part in this.
He said it was a hoax.
Listen now, why would Jon Stewart debunk it?
Because I don't care if it's real or not.
He said it was a hoax.
But then he says, but if I tell you the truth of that film, and if I tell you the truth of what that film is about, you and I will be swinging from an end of a rope.
That is in an email from an 84 year old former asset of the CIA.
He was an asset of the CIA, not of Rick Doty.
And scary.
If I tell you the truth, you and I will swing from an end of a rope.
Wild.
You ask your viewers, what would you?
I'm going to keep going and I will find Victor's complete identity.
Is that the mission?
Got to be the mission.
I'm on the board.
I can't get off.
It's like the octopus that I'm on the board.
You prove Victor.
Yeah, you prove Victor, you prove the alien, or you prove the video.
Prove the alien, or at least prove the government did it and it was a psyop.
Yeah.
And again, I go on record, 97 to 98%, I know the United States government had a hand in filming this or at least recreating and filming this.
I am confident.
Well, I'll tell you where my conviction level has been raised incredibly due to this conversation.
So I want to thank you for coming here and enlightening me with your research.
And I think there are some people that give you a bad rap for some reason.
I can't figure it out.
I guess you have very aggro energy, but I mean, it's in a good way.
Directed in a way that we like.
We want people like you kicking down doors and taking names because I'm not going to do it.
I'm not that person.
I'm a person who has conversations and who thinks philosophically, maybe in my quiet little corner, but you're somebody, and UAP Gerb is another person who's kicking doors.
And I think we need more people like that, regardless of clashing personalities.
I think what you're doing is a net positive to some extent.
And I'd like to see you.
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Continue that safely and you know, wish you all the safety in your journey.
And hopefully, you get to find out who Victor is.
If anybody wants to support you, where can they find you?
What can they do?
Yeah, I think the best way, and it's worked for six years, and I've been told that this familiarity, this personal touch, is probably what got me a lot of people to help me.
Instead of them having to call a company and go through a switchboard to get a hold of me, I leave my email.
My email is John, J O N, without the H, my middle name, Alan.
A L A N, my last name is Stuart, S T E W A R T at AOL.com.
Don't laugh at AOL.
I'm an old guy.
And on X, John Stewart I L.
Well, John, you're a true gentleman.
Thank you so much for coming here.
And I hope we covered most of what you wanted to talk about today.
I know you probably got a lot.
No, no, no, we did.
It's been, it's just, it's been, I'm, I'm, I am just so honored to be here.
It's been a great conversation.
I hope, with, How people view you on the internet, that this moves my investigation and the conversation and moves the needle in a good direction that will help us solve this.