Chris Ramsey investigates the 1976 David Seewaldt case, where a 13-year-old boy's hypnotic regression revealed an abduction by four-fingered, scali-skinned entities in a silver craft. While the psychologist initially conflated the event with a childhood appendectomy, Seewaldt insisted on distinct details like buzzing alien language and specific physical examinations involving needle injections. Ramsey contextualizes these claims within thousands of similar reports featuring Nordic or reptilian beings, noting consistent themes of medical procedures and superior technology across diverse global accounts. Ultimately, the episode challenges listeners to maintain an open mind regarding unexplained phenomena while hinting at future explorations of soundproof room investigations. [Automatically generated summary]
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UFO Magazines and Reports00:07:21
We were driving, and I said, Oh, that guy's dressed interestingly.
There was a guy walking along the lake on the side of the road, and he looked just really different.
And we continued talking, and we drove about another quarter of a mile.
And I said, Oh my God, there's that guy again.
And he was walking towards us again, but about a quarter of a mile past the first place that we saw him.
Talk about freaked out.
That was.
Really strange.
Don't know what it was, but I'll never forget it.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of Debrief.
My name is Chris Ramsey, and today we're going to be taking a look at a cold case, a UFO cold case, if you will, from an issue of UFO Report Magazine in 1976.
A 13 year old boy was regressed hypnotically into going back to his alleged abduction, where he was taken aboard a craft and studied by what seems to be these extraterrestrials.
I thought it was a really, really interesting case.
And, you know, I've got stacks and stacks of these magazines and heaps of these stories that sort of really went under the radar in ufology.
I mean, there are many, many of these stories.
Obviously, they're the ones, you know, that we're familiar with the Betty and Barney Hill case, the Travis Walton case, the Pascagoula case, all sorts of really important alien abduction stories.
But this one I thought was particularly interesting and it's something that I wanted to get into with you today.
There's so much.
Gold in these old books and magazines.
And, you know, often history tends to repeat itself.
I'm sure a lot of people who've been following UFOs and aliens in the past 50 years have said this time and time and again that it seems to be just the same thing over and over again.
You know, there are no new revelations.
We can talk about Matthew Brown tweeting this really cryptic sort of tweet denouncing these special access programs and these esoteric sort of depictions that he.
Put out there, or we can talk about this Wall Street Journal debacle where they said the entire UFO community is just one big psyop and that the military actually put out fake UFO stuff to cover up the special access programs.
Or we can talk about another alleged whistleblower who came forward on 4chan talking about, you know, all of the stuff that's going to be coming out in the future.
But, folks, the truth is that a lot of this stuff isn't new.
I have so much respect for the people who came before me studying this phenomenon.
You know, we stand on the shoulders of giants, people like Stanton Friedman and even Richard Dolan, who we interviewed recently in our documentary.
Thank you, by the way, to those of you who watch that.
I mean, even Colonel Wendell Stevens with his numerous books on UFO contact cases.
There are thousands upon thousands of these.
Reported cases and stories, and each and every one of them to me is equally as fascinating.
I find it a little redundant to move forward when, honestly, taking a look back might provide us with answers that aren't infected by the current internet zeitgeist.
And sometimes, folks, that's all we need to do.
And I'm a big fan of nostalgia if you couldn't tell already.
I'm not going to spend my time chasing ambulances in the UFO scene.
I think there are plenty of people out there who are doing a fine job of that personally.
I find it way more interesting and compelling to take a look back at some of the cases that might not have gotten enough attention.
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Let's get into it.
1976, April 1976, UFO Report magazine.
Now, these magazines are just fantastic.
They're absolutely filled with gold nuggets.
Like, if you don't know already, definitely if you can get your hands on some of these official UFO magazines or the UFO Report or whatever they may be, they are just filled to the brim.
Like, there's a Jacques Valet interview in here from 1976.
I mean, some of the headlines read Target Earth is Canada.
Sight of an alien invasion, and then probe link between UFOs and animal mutilations, gods from inner space, and extraterrestrials among us, and fantastic giant starships and UFO beams that heal, all within one magazine.
But none of those headlines are what we're going to be focusing on today.
We're going to be focusing on this little story that I came across, and I thought just such a rare little treat.
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The headline, which we'll be looking at today, reads as follows Contact Tea supplies new clues to UFO mystery.
Revealed for the first time, this story of a 13 year old boy taken aboard a flying saucer and given a thorough physical examination rivals the UFO kidnap cases of Betty and Barney Hill and two fishermen from Pascagoula.
Be Anne Slate.
What we're going to go through here is the transcript, the hypnotic regression transcript of a doctor and the patient, the patient being this 13 year old child who we'll call David here.
Doctor's Hypnotic Regression00:03:32
I'm not sure if that's his real name.
By the way, 1976, if he's 13 in 1976, that's roughly 50 years ago, this gentleman would be 64 years old.
David, if you're still around and listening to this, please reach out.
Would love to hear from you.
I think it would be a nice surprise for the audience to have some type of follow up here.
So I'm going to read it.
I'll just be saying, Doctor, and then David.
These are the two people that will be communicating with each other.
Doctor, now David, you feel very well.
I would like you to see yourself on the 19th of November last year.
You can visualize that.
You can see yourself there.
All right.
Will you tell me where you are?
David, I'm in the empty lot.
Doctor, all right.
Look around and tell me everything that you see.
David.
I see an object.
Doctor.
Where is the object?
David.
In the sky.
Doctor.
How far is it?
Can you see it very well?
David.
Yes.
Doctor.
Where is it?
David.
Above me.
Doctor.
What color is the object in the sky?
David.
Silver grayish.
Doctor.
What else do you see as far as this object is concerned?
David.
It has a color band of lights around the middle of it.
Doctor.
What color are the lights that you see, David?
David.
All colors green, yellow, blue, orange, red, pink.
Doctor.
What happens next?
David.
They put a beam on me.
Doctor.
What color is the beam?
David.
Orange.
Doctor.
Where does this beam come from?
David, the ship.
Doctor, what part of the ship?
David, the middle, on the bottom.
Doctor, how do you feel when the beam touched you?
David, I was sort of in a trance.
Earlier, David had stated under hypnosis that when he saw the beam coming down, he felt frightened.
Now he was describing a second reaction after it touched him, and he was being pulled up into the ship.
Doctor, did the beam grab hold of your arms or did it grab hold of your body?
What does the beam do to you?
David, it just brought me up in the ship.
Doctor, how did it bring you up?
Like you were going up in an elevator?
David, no.
Doctor, did you feel a funny sensation as you were going up?
David, no.
Doctor, were you frightened?
David, no.
I was in a trance.
Doctor, did you scream?
David, no.
Doctor, all right.
Now what's going on?
Keep telling me what's going on.
David, the beam is bringing me in the ship now.
The Crocodile Skin Monster00:03:17
I see a monster.
Doctor, tell me about the monster.
David.
It has scaly skin.
It has holes for its nose and holes for its ears.
And it has a slit on its face for a mouth.
It's brown.
Doctor, how many monsters do you see?
David.
Two.
Pause here for a second.
It seems as though we might be dealing with.
Some type of reptilian creature, but I wouldn't jump the gun on that too quickly because if we take a look at Dan Burrish, Dan Burrish, who is, you know, a very, very famous whistleblower known for working at S4 directly with an alien race that he calls the J Rod, the description he gave of the J Rod was also brown, was also scaly.
He also said that by those descriptions, and if you were to look at its Skeletal structure and everything else, you might assume that it would be reptile like without necessarily being a reptilian.
The screen was raised and we were finally told what we were working with.
When I first saw him, I was looking through the glass from the gallery.
He looked like a bug.
That's by my own hand.
He was approximately three and a half feet tall.
He had a dark brown appearance, very ruddy appearance to his skin.
Large head in comparison to torso, large bulbous black eyes, four.
Very thin, sinuous fingers.
Nose was recessed to opercula, to orifices.
An extremely small mouth, a hard palate, no teeth.
My original feeling was I was looking at a giant insect.
The particular ruddy configuration of their skin can make them appear very reptilian in appearance.
Out of a group of people experiencing them, that more than 50% of the group could probably say that they were reptilian in appearance.
If you would look in his eyes, you'd literally feel yourself falling into his eyes.
And then he, after entrainment, this is how they get you to relax in your bedrooms at night, the rogues, if they take you.
They entrain to what makes you feel good, and then they flood you with endorphins.
Are you saying that that's what's happening?
That's what happens during an abduction?
Yes.
That's why you feel relaxed.
He started to flood me naturally.
Because he wanted to speak with me.
So it began to naturally flood as I was speaking with him, and he felt me resist because I was told in the training to resist.
And so he eventually stopped it.
This is as the relationship progressed.
He stopped trying to make me feel good.
That had consequences too.
The consequences for me not feeling good was that I was under incredible fear in his presence.
Endorphin Floods and Toes00:07:10
I felt afraid inside because.
I was always told that monsters weren't real.
And now I find out they are, but they live in the heart of men.
Doctor, what was there about the skin that made you think it was scaly?
David, it looked like a crocodile skin.
Doctor, what is there about a crocodile, David?
It's sort of rough all over.
Doctor, is there anything else?
David, no.
Doctor, what did their backs look like?
Did they have a crocodile back too?
David, I never saw their backs.
Doctor, did they have any clothes on?
David, no.
Just that sort of skin.
Doctor, were they smiling?
David, no.
Doctor, were they angry?
David, no.
Doctor, were they happy?
David, no, they didn't show any expression.
Doctor, tell me everything that's happening now.
David, they put me on a sort of a cot.
He's looking at my body.
Doctor, what about your body?
David, he's studying it.
He took my clothes off.
Doctor, all of your clothes?
David, yes.
Doctor, your shoes, your socks?
David, yes.
Doctor, your trousers, your shirt, your underwear?
David, yes.
Doctor, and he left your jacket on?
David, angrily, no.
Doctor, all right, David, now what is happening?
David, they're bringing me through a hallway into another room.
Doctor, what does the other room look like?
David, it has all sorts of bright lights in it.
Doctor, what else do you see?
David, there's another table there.
They put me on that table.
Doctor, and now David?
David, he's lifting my head up.
He's lifting it up.
His voice is extremely frightened and plaintive, as if wanting to escape from something.
He looks at my hair and my eyes and my nose.
Now, David's breathing rises and falls with gasps and sobs as he relives that terrifying moment.
Doctor, how many are looking at you?
David, four.
Doctor, what are they like?
David, they all look the same.
Doctor, can you tell me something more about their face?
David, it's sort of scary.
Doctor, what about their head?
David, it's round.
Doctor, how many hands do they have?
David, two.
Doctor, are their hands very similar to yours?
David, no.
Doctor, what are they like?
David, they're like real rough.
Doctor, how many fingers do they have?
David, four.
Doctor, do they have a thumb as well?
David, no.
Doctor, how big are these beings?
David, about six feet.
Doctor, they're nice looking beings, aren't they?
David, no.
Doctor, what are they wearing?
David, it looks like they're not wearing anything.
They have a brown, sort of scaly skin like.
Doctor, how many feet do they have?
David, two.
Doctor, what do they have on their feet?
David, there's nothing on their feet.
Doctor, how many toes do you see on their feet?
David, four.
Doctor, what else do you notice about them that's unusual?
David, they only have four fingers.
Doctor, is there anything else about them that's different?
David, they have holes for their ears and nose and a slit for their mouth.
Doctor, are they saying anything to you?
David, I can't understand.
Doctor, why can't you understand?
David, it's a strange language.
We're going to pause here for a second.
The four.
Fingers and four toes seem to be exactly what so many others have described with these types of beings.
It's such an interesting detail when you think about it.
If you're fantasizing about this or if you're making this up, now remember, this is 1976.
There aren't so many things readily available, especially for a 13 year old, in terms of like information that one can consume about these types of beings.
So, 1976, fairly early in regards to.
Information about abductions.
The EBO molecular biologist that came forward on Reddit, which was also featured in Whitley Strieber's book, The Fourth Mind, mentions the four fingers.
Also, he mentions, I think he mentioned two toes, but they were kind of like this, and that they had two, so like four toes, but that they were sort of like this.
So maybe we're not dealing with entirely the same species as the common.
Gray, but these ones seem to be.
Now, I can't remember if Dan Burrish's type had four toes.
I think he did.
Size and built, roughly four, nine to five feet tall with a slim, slender body.
Now, to a 13 year old child, five feet, six feet might seem similar, especially from a horizontal position.
There's an amazing website called BurrishArchive.com by Brian Jackson.
Brian gave us a presentation at Contact in the Desert, but Brian had been extensively researching.
Dan Burrish or Dan Crane's case for a very long time.
And my conviction level on this gentleman having worked with at least having worked at S4 is very high, especially after the presentation.
But if you go to this site, there's everything you need to know about the Burrish archive.
Needle in the Operating Room00:14:57
Anyways, I'm getting sidetracked here.
The Burrish stuff is incredibly fascinating.
So if you want to check that out, I'll leave the link to that below.
Let's get back to this language because I do find this interesting that they have a language here.
Doctor, he's not speaking English.
David, no.
Doctor, imitate the sound these beings are saying.
Now, David makes a long buzzing or humming sound, which, much like a giant bee or some type of machinery, Dr. Masson asks him to repeat it in case they could detect a pattern which might be deciphered.
Very intriguing.
Like a buzzing.
Huh.
Doctor, and who is saying this?
David, just one of them.
Doctor, what is he doing this for?
David, he's telling the others.
Doctor, what is he telling the others?
David, pause.
I don't know.
Doctor, what is he doing while he is saying this?
David, he's looking at my body.
Doctor, Have you ever been on a table like this before?
David.
Yes.
Doctor.
Where?
David.
In an operating room.
Doctor, what's going on now?
You're on the table.
David pauses, breathing heavily, as if not wanting to remember.
The psychologist repeats the question, telling the hypnotized boy that he will be comfortable and not frightened by anything that he sees.
David, they put this other thing over me.
Doctor, what other thing?
What does it look like?
David, it's a grayish color and they just throw it over me.
And then this big, huge, orange colored light comes down and is shown on me.
Then one of them took sort of a needle.
Doctor, what's the needle look like?
David, it's gray, it's small.
Doctor, now, what does he do?
David, he sticks it in my arm.
Doctor, were you awake all the time when you were in this room?
David, yes.
Doctor, did they give you anything to eat or drink?
David, no.
I was sort of in a trance.
Doctor, how did you feel in that trance state?
David, sort of.
I felt funny.
Doctor, what do you mean by funny?
David, I felt numb.
Because David had made reference to being in an operating room before, the psychologist wondered if his UFO experience might have been a flashback.
Back to a young boy's traumatic first operation, and he explored this.
Doctor, you said that room looked very much like a room you've been in before.
David, yes, Doctor.
When were you in that other room?
David, when I got.
Well, it looked something like in the hospital.
Doctor, okay, David, we're going to let this go.
You won't see that anymore.
I'd like you to tell me when you went to the hospital.
David, I got my appendix out.
Doctor, when was that?
David, I was in grade four.
Doctor, okay.
You're going to go right back to when you were in grade four.
You had to go to the hospital because you had to have an operation.
Now tell me something about that hospital and what it looks like.
David, you mean in the operating room?
Doctor, yes, if you'd like.
David, they have these big lights, shiny ones.
Doctor, how many doctors do you see?
David, two.
Doctor, what are they wearing?
What is on their faces?
David, a white sort of mask.
Doctor, do you see anything else in the operating room?
David, nurses.
Doctor, how many nurses do you see?
David, three.
Doctor, is the doctor saying anything?
David, no.
Doctor, are the nurses saying anything?
David, no.
Doctor, what does the doctor do to you?
David, He cuts my stomach open.
Doctor, just a minute.
Before he cuts your stomach open, does he give you an anesthetic?
David, they gave me that in the room.
Doctor, how did they give you the anesthetic?
David, it was a needle.
Doctor, who gave you this needle?
The doctor or the nurse?
David, the nurse.
Doctor, I want you to see the nurse as she's giving you the needle.
What color is the nurse's hair?
David, brown.
Doctor, what color is her face?
David, like ours, flesh colored.
Doctor, is she wearing a mask?
David, no.
Doctor, how do you feel now?
David, I start to get sleepy.
Doctor, are you closing your eyes?
David, yes.
Doctor, now where do you go from the place where you had the needle?
David, the operating room.
Doctor, and how do you get there, David?
David, on a table.
Doctor, okay.
Your eyes are closed.
You've had the needle.
And now I want you to tell me what you are seeing.
David, the orderly comes in and he puts me on a table and wheels me to the operating room.
Doctor, can you see the orderly?
David, yes.
Doctor, what does he look like?
David, he's an old man and he's dressed in white and he has white shoes on.
Doctor, what does he look like exactly?
You say he's an old man.
Tell me everything about him.
David, he's got wrinkles on his face and hands, a big nose.
Doctor, what about his hair?
David, it's gray.
In a review of the tape of this hypnotic session, it is obvious to the listener that the psychologist is trying his professional best to somehow connect David's aliens with the surgeons that operated him in the Canadian hospital.
However, David remained consistent in his story throughout.
Doctor, the orderly.
Does he have a lot of wrinkles?
David, yes.
Doctor, can you tell me something else about him?
Is he tall?
Is he short?
David, he's short.
Doctor, does he talk to you?
David, no.
Doctor, what does he do?
David, he just brings me and puts me on the table and wheels me to the operating room.
Doctor, who puts you on the table in the operating room?
David, the same orderly.
Doctor, does he say anything then?
David, no, he just leaves.
Doctor, as he leaves, do you look at him?
Try to look at him.
Is there something else you can tell me about this orderly?
David, No.
Doctor, you're in the operating room now.
Who's the first person you see?
David, the doctor.
Doctor, what does the doctor look like?
David, he has black hair, wears glasses, has a mask over his face, has one of those white sort of dresses on, and gloves.
Doctor, what do the gloves look like?
David, they're sort of rubber gloves.
Doctor, what color are they?
David, sort of white.
Under the persistent questioning, David goes on to describe the other masked doctor in the room who is gray hair and doesn't wear glasses.
The nurses who are also masked wearing white dresses and white shoes.
The psychologist probes for a more detailed description of the surgery's team's hands, hoping to find the link in David's mind which will connect with the four fingered.
Brown, scaly alien hands.
He doesn't succeed.
I like that they included this.
It's really, I think, important to include this as well that the psychologist isn't completely just leaning into the alien possibility, but also exploring, I think, with healthy skepticism, the possibility that this child might just be recalling some other traumatic event.
And this comes up time and time again during regression, hypnotic regression sessions.
People often think that a lot of these abductions are just some type of former trauma or even like sexual trauma that has been repressed in the past.
And I don't think that that can be completely excluded, but I think definitely isn't always the case.
I think it's important to look at this in that way that, you know, perhaps there is some type of even self inflicted screen memory that we impose in our own minds to hide us from some traumatic event.
But then also equally interesting to see two similar events be described completely differently, and that there is no link between the two.
I think that's just a really interesting point here.
So, if anyone else was thinking, well, it's probably just like when he went to the hospital, then why would he describe it so differently if it was the same event?
Clearly, this child, at least subconsciously, knows the difference.
Doctor, what about the nurse's hands?
David, they have gloves on too.
Doctor, are the gloves very tight?
David, yes.
Doctor, can you tell me something else about their hands?
David, pause.
The nurse's?
Doctor, anybody's hands?
David, the doctor's hands had hair on them, and he had scissors in them, and a needle.
Doctor, a needle?
David, the nurse had the needle.
Doctor, what was she doing with the needle?
David, she was just holding it.
Doctor, does the doctor put anything in your arm?
David, no.
Doctor, doesn't he put anything over your nose?
David, no.
Doctor, are you asleep or are you awake?
David, asleep.
Doctor, he cut your stomach open.
What do you feel?
David, nothing.
Doctor, how do you feel all over?
David, I don't feel anything.
Doctor, what happened right after that, right after you came out of the operating room?
David, they just wheeled me in and placed me on the bed.
Doctor, and then what happened after that?
David, nothing.
Doctor, there is something happening.
David.
Well, I went to sleep.
Doctor.
How did you feel when you went to sleep?
David.
Tired.
Doctor.
All right.
You slept for quite a while.
And what happens after that?
David.
The next day, my parents come to visit me.
Doctor.
And when did you get out of the hospital?
David.
Four days later.
Doctor, and how did you feel when you got out of the hospital?
David, my stomach hurt.
The psychologist, again in an attempt to link David's hospital experience to his physical examination aboard the UFO, takes him back to the moment the alien has given him an injection with a needle.
Doctor, and what goes on now?
David.
Then they put my clothes on again.
They wheeled me out and they beamed me down.
Doctor, where did you get down?
David, in the empty lot.
Doctor, all right, David.
Right before you saw the ship, when you were in the empty lot, you're going to be exactly the same way you were before you saw the ship.
Look around you and tell me everything that you see.
David, I see my friend's house and the trees around the lot.
And the roofs of some houses, and there are streetlights and some old wrecked cars.
Doctor, just before you saw the ship, what are you doing?
David, I'm walking.
Doctor, do you hear anything?
David, yes.
A high pitched sound.
Doctor, can you imitate the sound for us?
David, no.
Doctor, would you try?
David, it's too high.
Doctor, what do you do when you hear it?
David, I look up and I see this great silverish gray object.
Doctor, how big is the object?
David, about as big as a house.
Doctor, and how far is it off the ground?
David, about 30 to 40 feet.
Doctor, what do you notice about this object?
David, it has colored lights around the middle, which Melt together.
Doctor, do you feel any wind, any vibration?
David, just a wind.
Doctor, what reaction do you have?
David, I'm frightened.
Doctor, you ran?
David, yes, but then the beam shot down on me.
Doctor, and what did the beam do when it shot down at you?
David, it brought me into the ship.
Now, I would like you to come back to the time just before you see the ship and just before you hear that high pitched sound.
What are you doing?
Nordic Beings with Large Foreheads00:16:14
How are you feeling?
What are you thinking?
David.
I was coming from my friend's house.
I felt great.
I wasn't thinking about nothing.
Doctor.
Now, right after the beam has pulled you up and everything, we're right back and the object has disappeared.
Now, what's going on?
David.
I start to run for home.
Doctor, and how do you feel as you run home?
David, frightened.
Doctor, is there any other feeling that you have?
David, I'm scared.
Frightened, I feel sort of numb.
Doctor, where do you feel numb?
David, all over.
Doctor, is there any part of your body that feels different from any other part of your body?
David, yes.
My head.
Doctor, how does your head feel, David?
Like it was twirling around.
Doctor, how does this shoulder feel?
David, it doesn't hurt.
Doctor, how does your chest feel?
David, okay.
Doctor, how does your tummy feel?
David, okay.
Doctor, and how do your legs feel?
David, numb.
Doctor, I'm going to wake you now.
You're back at the present.
After you wake up, you'll be wide awake.
You'll be alert.
You'll feel confident.
You'll feel fine.
All the hypnotic regression sessions with David Seawald.
Oh, we have a name here.
David Seawald.
All the hypnotic regression sessions with David Seawald were videotaped, but efforts to obtain copies or transcripts of the experiment have been denied.
Because of the wrinkled orderly who wheeled David into that hospital operating room for an appendectomy, Years before, and because David equated the room he was taken to on the craft as an operating room, the psychologist felt the problem was solved, and David had gone through some flashback, which merged with watching too many science fiction TV shows.
I tend to, I'm not going to agree wholly with the psychologist's take, but I will, I do understand why one would, as a professional, come to that conclusion.
Again, we talk about this idea of either ignoring information, fitting it into the current model, or expanding your worldview.
Those are the three options when faced with these types of accounts.
The first one, obviously, being off the table.
The second one being what we see here, you know, finding those points of connection to try and fit it into the current model seems to be what most people would do in this instance.
And I can't necessarily blame them.
I think, as a professional, if you're not aware of this phenomenon and you've not looked into it enough or, you know, studied the works of, You know, people like John Mack and Bud Hopkins, etc.
I don't think that you'd be familiar with these cases enough to expand your worldview.
So I don't blame the psychologists here for doing that.
The most recent inquiry about those exceptional videotapes brought the response that they had been erased.
There are far too many common denominators between the David Seawalt experience and other contactee kidnappings to dismiss this significant case so easily.
The three aliens that approached Argentine truck driver.
Dionysio Lenka, in his early morning hours on October 28, 1973, as he attempted to change a flat tire, were definitely more human and attractive than those described by David Seawalt.
Still, Lenka would have run if he could have.
I'm not familiar with this case.
Very interesting.
I'd like to hear more about this.
I'm fascinated with the cases of contactee experiences that involve beings that look like us.
Well, this might be really interesting to look into.
Can you give me a brief summary about this man's interaction with these beings and what exactly happened?
Sure.
Dionysio Lanca's encounter happened in October 1973 when he was changing a tire on his truck near Bahia Blanca, Argentina.
He described seeing a bright light and then being approached by three humanoid beings, two males and one female, who had long blonde hair and wore tight gray suits.
He remembered being paralyzed and then taken aboard a saucer shaped craft where they performed some kind of procedure on him.
He later woke up several kilometers away, confused and with partial amnesia.
The incident was investigated extensively, and it remains one of Argentina's most well known abduction stories.
Phenomenal.
That is incredible.
I'm going to research that case a little bit more.
And again, just lovely to hear.
I mean, lovely to hear.
It's terrifying.
But at the same time, it's good to hear corroborating evidence that these things aren't just happening locally.
In the United States, I have so many books and magazines here that are from all around the world.
Every single one of these is from like a different part of the world that isn't like the United States.
And so, to anyone thinking, oh, why is it always just the US?
It really isn't.
It really, really isn't.
It's across the board, it's everywhere.
Let's hear about Mr. Lanka's case a little bit more here.
It says, I braked the truck on the shoulder, got down, took out the jack and tools, and began to change the tire.
Lanka stated, After he regained his memory following three days of total amnesia, the road was completely deserted.
All at once, the road was illuminated with an intense yellow light that seemed to be about 2,000 meters away.
Because of the color, I thought that they might be the headlights of a Peugeot and continued my work.
Peugeot being a type of car.
A few seconds passed.
Then, the light became so bright that it lit up the entire area.
Now the light had changed to a bluish color, similar to an electric arc welder.
I tried to get up, but could not rise.
I had no strength, and a strange thing my legs would not respond.
Lanka turned around to see a luminous, great thing in the form of a plate hovering nearby, and three people, two men and a woman, dressed in silver suits with yellow boots and gloves, standing next to him.
The trucker, totally paralyzed, watched in horror as a strange apparatus was held against his index finger.
Lanka believes he passed out immediately after this.
Later, he described their faces as much like ours, except for high foreheads and elongated eyes, like the Japanese, and a little tilted.
Whoa.
What an interesting thing.
Where we looked at, was it Staffordshire?
I can't particularly remember the case, but this lady allegedly saw beings wearing light blue with golden hair, but she also said they were beautiful.
But had larger foreheads.
And they were, they had beautiful faces.
I shall never forget their faces as long as I live.
Their foreheads seemed to be a bit larger than, you know, the bottom of their faces as normal people you would expect to see.
So, again, just more corroborating evidence of these Nordic humanoid type beings existing.
If we got one of you watching out there, some type of hybrid Nordic humanoid looking person, Find a way to get in touch with me.
Get your people to talk to my people.
Let's get you on the podcast once and for all.
Let's have a discussion.
I'm not opposed to this.
I'm not, I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that I think that the Area 52 YouTube channel should host the very first conversation with the Nordic being.
And I'm reaching out.
If you're out there, if this is real, if any of this is true, I know you guys are probably hiding in the shadows or hiding in plain sight or whatever it is.
Figure it out.
Talk amongst yourselves.
Maybe it's time.
Maybe it's time that we have this discussion.
So, You know, if this is true, if this is real, figure out a way to get in touch and let's have this conversation.
Let's stop speculating.
Let's talk to these, you know, Nordic folk with the giant foreheads and, you know, the big eyes.
Let's.
Enough of this communicating with government officials.
Can we do away with this, please?
Clearly, you must be aware that our government officials are completely incompetent and they're solely hellbent and driven on world destruction and money and greed.
Can we just focus?
On the people who aren't the rest of us who are looking for some type of converging event to take place, some type of unifying discussion with non human intelligence.
Can this channel be that vessel?
Why not?
I don't see why not.
I know many of you are probably thinking, well, Chris, you're off the rocker now.
You've completely lost it.
And yeah, you might be right.
You might totally be right, but I'm going out on a limb and I'm saying, why not?
If this is real, and I'm pretty high conviction that some of this stuff, like people wouldn't just invent this.
Now, okay, maybe there are some psychological events that happen that lead people to believe that they're interacting with aliens or spacemen or whatever it is.
Sure.
I'm not going to rule that out entirely.
But if there's even a 1% chance that this is real, let's have the conversation.
Come on.
What are you waiting for?
And it's not like if you come here that everyone's going to believe you, anyways.
If you are a hybrid or Nordic or humanoid looking alien that's curious to have a conversation and curious to see what the audience will say about it, come on down.
I'll accept you with open arms.
Let's see what happens.
I bagress.
Moving on.
Joe Brill, international coordinator for the mutual UFO network, MUFON, followed up on the intensive hypnotic regression sessions of Dionysio Lanca.
Present were psychiatrists, psychologists, and a hypnotist.
Sodium pentothal was used in conjunction with the hypnosis.
Because of any lack of contradictions in his story, as well as their appraisals of the man, the group felt Lanca was telling the truth.
In a drugged sleep, the truck driver said he did not understand the language spoken by the aliens.
He compared it to sounding like a hive of bees or a badly tuned radio.
I heard this terrific noise.
It was just like a giant cauldron of water being poured onto a fire.
A sort of noise, you know.
Then he remembered being carried aboard the alien craft and climbing up with the two men.
Interesting.
Again, we're talking about this buzzing.
I wonder if this is potentially a screen memory to.
Perhaps mask the actual exchange of information that was happening between these beings.
But then I'm also reminded of Charles Hall and the Tall Whites, who said that they communicated with this sort of high pitched sound as well.
And also Whitley Strieber, who describes this same thing that there's this sort of like high pitched sound that happens during communication.
So very interesting.
Where are you climbing?
Dr. Eduardo Matas asked.
On a staircase?
No.
Along a ray of light, the trucker responded.
Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker were also floated into a blue glowing craft in the Pascagoula incident in October 1973, a kidnapping which attracted worldwide attention.
Hickson said the aliens which carried them through the air to the ship were things.
He described them as having no apparent eyes, a slit for a mouth, and wrinkled skin, a little more metallic looking.
Then an elephant's.
Calvin Parker doesn't remember his physical examination on the flying saucer because he was unconscious after one look at the beings.
There was no attempt at a conversation other than a few weak murmurs of protest from Hickson and a soft buzzing sound in response from one of the creatures.
Still, another link with David Sewald's description of monsters occurred in Mexico during the summer of 1972 where a Mason and his assistant.
We were working on a clogged drain on the second floor of a residence at about 2 p.m.
This was reported in the APRO Bulletin of December 1973.
Heard a humming sound, which they ignored, believing it to be a radio tower in the vicinity.
Then they saw the two strange figures floating towards them, dressed in bright silvery clothing resembling fish scales.
Those are masks, and they must be going to a costume dance, thought Pancho Torres.
But as the seven foot tall creature came closer, the men got a better and more frightening look.
They were broad men, much more so than usual, slender, round heads.
Long and enlarged near the chin, silverish in color and very bright, with two round greenish bumps in the place of eyes, small ears, no visible mouth or nose, pointy ended hands with four fingers, large webbed feet, and they seemed to float in the air, Raimundo Alvarez was quoted as saying.
During the same month and year of David Sewald's experience, two Indians in Idaho were having trouble with two chirping aliens who wanted to converse with them, or so it seemed.
As Willie Begay and Guy Tossie drove along Highway 26 near Reary in their old Buick sedan, there was a sudden blinding flash of light.
The car stopped, although the brakes had not been applied.
A UFO described as an object with green and orange lights flashing through holes in a ring around the rim hovered above them.
Two small figures could be seen through a transparent dome on top.
Then the dome swung open, and an occupant moved toward the car with a sort of floating movement.
A smaller variety of extraterrestrial space voyager, this creature was estimated at slightly over three feet tall, with large, high ears, round eyes, and a slit for a mouth.
His face had a rough look like scars, deep scars, said one of the Indians.
As the alien opened the left door of the Buick, Guy Tossie slid as far away from it as he could.
Then the car began moving on its own.
Pulled or towed by some force emanating from the craft, When the car stopped some 75 feet off the highway, Tossie opened the door and ran for the nearest farmhouse.
The petrified Willie Begay was left alone with the strange being who was making rapid bird like sounds.
When Tossie returned with the help, they found Begay alone, sitting in the front seat with his eyes tightly closed, a terrified, trembling man.
The car was still in the field, but the craft was gone.
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Now, this is really interesting as well.
Again, we hear these chirping bird like sounds, which is mentioned by Whitley, mentioned by Charles Hull, but also the EBO molecular biologists, when looking at the lungs of these individuals, said that they were more like bird sacs and that the vibration of these sacs against the diaphragm would create some type of humming sound.
I am fascinated.
It seems like we're dealing with a multiple array of different species that all have similarities.
Some of them look like us, some of them don't, but they all seem to have this sort of buzzing or high pitched communication ability.
I just don't know what to make of it.
Seems so strange.
It does have the makings for a spooky story aliens, seven feet tall, three feet tall, slit for mouths, four fingers and webbed feet, wrinkled, scarred, scaly skins.
Or spacesuits, strange languages, and a technology which utilizes some force to compel, repel, and maintain a fixed aerial position.
Except, in these and many other contactee cases on record, the parallels and dissimilarities only serve to prove that there is a type of consistency.
The aliens' superior technology and their intent to examine the biological life on this planet.
Obviously, they are not of this Earth.
And from their somewhat varying descriptions, have had different evolutions and perhaps are coming from different galaxies.
How much more might have been learned about David Sewald's monsters or their craft had a more open minded approach been taken during those hypnotic sessions?
If other specialists had been present, even space technologists or propulsion experts, who would know the right questions to ask, what other secrets might have been uncovered from that locked door in David's mind?
Shall we treat the next witness brave enough to admit he or she has been taken aboard a flying saucer, or fortunate enough to remember, like he's been watching too many Star Trek reruns?
David Sewalt, now a soft spoken young man of 20, still sticks by his story, and no detail of that vivid experience has changed.
So hold on, he was 20 in 1976, which makes him considerably older.
Yeah, he might be around 71 now, I guess.
He has no recurrent nightmares, nor suffered any adverse physical effects from the encounter.
There have been no attempts at telepathic communication by the alien, as sometimes occurs in contactee cases.
Bill Allen, who investigated the case, does not agree with the psychologist's conclusion that David's experience was one born out of some flashback to his appendectomy operation.
I find it rather hard to accept this easy explanation, having witnessed David's reactions and obvious terror during the hypnotic regressions, he states.
No matter how terrifying or bizarre the circumstances, the subconscious mind records all it has seen.
Perhaps, in response to the right questions from specialists without preconceived ideas against the possibility of alien visitation, we may solve the mystery of the flying saucer from the minds of UFO contactees.
What a phenomenal little read through that was.
Absolutely fantastic.
With each and every story that I read through, my conviction level jumps by maybe a fraction of a percentage.
It isn't so much the exact description of the aliens that makes it more convincing to me, but it's the sheer number of reports.
And as stated by the author of this article, sure, the skin might be different, the description of the eyes, the beings themselves.
The language they use or the technology that they're using might vary, but there is a consistent through line here.
And that is that they're happening.
This exists.
This is happening to these people.
Every case that we read through in this last hour happened within a two or three year period in the 1970s.
And there's so, so many more.
It's not for nothing that I come back to that over and over again.
It might be easy to dismiss one case or two cases, but when it jumps into the thousands, and these cases are by a varying amount of people from a varied amount of professions and backgrounds, like the two plumbers there, or just some guy jacking his car up because his tire was flat.
Like these aren't people who are, I can't say for sure, but it doesn't seem like these are people who are just completely unhinged.
And for the most part, they have nothing to gain from it and everything to lose.
Especially at a time where scrutiny was at an all time high and people would be really quick to either dismiss you or to categorize you as an absolute loon.
It just makes it that much more convincing.
You know, I'll tell you something something that happened to me actually last night.
Wasn't sure if I was going to talk about this or if I was ever going to bring it up, but I think it deserves to be mentioned.
I was talking to my father last night.
My father is, he's not one to speculate on this stuff.
He's got a really hard time.
You know, I talk to him about this stuff.
He watches some of the videos, but he's always like, I don't really buy it.
You know, I can't blame him.
And I was talking about abductions.
I was talking about, I think, John Mack's work, and he goes, You know, I have a story, and maybe one day I'll tell you about it.
Immediately piqued my interest.
I'm like, Wait, what?
So I prompted, I said, Can you tell me now?
And he said, Sure.
And he was incredibly reluctant.
Yeah, if you knew my father, you would understand.
Like, he's just not the type to bring stuff like this up or to entertain it whatsoever.
Highly skeptical guy.
But he said that when he was around 10 years old, he was delivering newspapers.
It was somewhere in Montreal.
Newspapers or flyers.
I can't remember.
And it was broad daylight in the afternoon, beautiful day outside.
And he goes into one of these apartment buildings to drop off the flyers.
He does that.
And when he comes back outside, it is now nighttime.
Not evening, this is summer.
This is nighttime.
The stars are out, probably well past 10 p.m.
Now, as a 10 year old boy, he would not be allowed to be out that late.
You know, he was swiftly reprimanded from my grandfather upon entering his home because he could not account for his missing time or where he had been.
His father had asked him, Where were you?
To which my dad responded, I don't know.
It was the afternoon.
And then when he came back outside, it was the night.
My dad had never even told my mom that story.
And so I just found it, you know, it's one of those things that for me, incredibly high conviction on that, on something like that.
That's not something you're likely to forget, is an event like that.
And yeah, I was just, I'm really thankful that my dad, you know, decided to share that story with me.
So, Dad, if you're watching, thanks for sharing that.
And I know it takes a lot to be open and vulnerable with this type of stuff.
So, I appreciate it.
And I appreciate everyone who does come forward with these stories, often stranger than fiction.
As we all move forward into this new paradigm, which is.
Whimsical and wonderful.
I want to encourage all of you to suspend your disbelief when hearing these things.
Keep an open heart and an open mind when listening to people who have something important to tell you.
Let's encourage more of these stories to come out and create a judgment free environment for these people to express themselves in.