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Feb. 26, 2001 - Bill Cooper
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Apollo Moon Hoax
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So, thank you.
Thank you.
You're listening to the Hour of the Time, and tonight is our debut live on the Internet.
We were trying to do this last Monday night, but it didn't work.
We had bugs.
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And we did it on Saturday and then we did it again yesterday for two or three hours and we did it again today for two or three hours so we decided tonight's our debut live on the internet and I hope you're listening.
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Tonight, because this is our debut night on the Internet Live, I'm going to run a lecture that was given by Ron Howell at our 1997 conference.
It's intelligent, it's factual, and it's fun, and you're just going to enjoy the hell out of it.
It's one of the best lectures we've ever had at any of our conferences.
I have to monitor the computer to make sure everything's working right.
Just in case a whole flood of people that are listening cause some kind of a software glitch.
And Ken's going to be listening on the other end by the servers.
And we hope nothing happens, but if it does, we hope we'll be able to take care of it.
So if we drop off the Internet, don't go away.
We'll get right back up as soon as possible.
So without further ado, here's Ron Howell at our 1997 conference.
I think you're just going to love this.
and in light of the recent Fox broadcast exposing the Apollo moon landing hoax, you're going
to love it even more.
That was a lot of fun with Jeff on the radio.
And I bet you that there's a lot of people out there that really enjoyed that.
What you're going to hear now is going to be extremely interesting.
You've heard me talk about the Apollo moon shots and the Apollo missions and the Apollo program and all that kind of stuff on many broadcasts.
And you've seen all of the NASA footage of that and the special programming on TV of the Apollo program.
And the next speaker has done a lot of research on this and put together the results of what he's discovered, and he's going to share that with us for the next two hours.
He's also a good friend and a major contributor to our effort.
This microphone up here is one that he gave us that we can travel with.
It has incredible quality.
Because we can't travel with the two other microphones that he gave us because they're so fragile and they were made back in the 20s and 30s.
And they're the best microphones ever made in-duplicated with solid-state technology.
And that's what makes the Hour of Time sound so great.
So, his name is Ron Howell.
He's standing right here.
And he's put together the results of his research into the Apollo program and the Apollo moon shots.
And he's going to give you the results of that over the next two hours.
I think you're going to find it extremely interesting.
Regardless of what you may believe about what happened, you're going to find what he's going to tell you I don't know if he's going to take questions, but if he does, please hold your questions until the end of his presentation so that he can get all the way through it.
If he focuses on this, that's fine.
I pretty much think I know what he's going to say and I think I pretty much agree with
him.
But Mr. Ron Howell.
Thank you, Bill.
Well, with a nice introduction like that, I don't want to fall flat on my face, so let's
get to it here.
I'm going to start with a little bit of a background.
This outline of my presentation is called, The Adaptive School America.
Now, I have to tell you, you don't have to You don't have to believe what I say.
If I were to tell you that we didn't go to the moon, I wouldn't expect you to believe it, but you know that.
You deal with intelligence every day, and you know you have to treat it as such, as evidence.
You have to handle it for what it is.
If you agree with it or not, that comes later.
Even if I were to tell you that I went to the moon myself, You couldn't accept that.
You'd have to look at it as second-hand information, wouldn't you?
Okay, now... We are going to discuss facts, and we want to get to the truth, because I appreciate truth.
I... Everything that deals with freedom, you know, has everything to do with truth.
Now, let me see here.
This is going by my little outline.
This is an experience I had when I was in high school.
I can remember the fall project was going on because I was a senior in 69 and I remember seeing the footage.
And my feeling at the time, you know, I was a sheeple.
I was young and I was young and impressionable.
And I saw all these moon astronauts I knew.
See, when you're in the vacuum of space, you know that death is right outside of you.
Right outside of your suit is a pure, hard vacuum.
When pilots are inside of an airplane, you know, they're in a pressurized cockpit, besides being in a pressure suit.
So being outside of the capsule, being on the moon, I knew at that time that it was very dangerous.
And my impression was that these men were very Uh, joyful, they were happy, they were jumping around, right?
And I thought, my thought was that these men would be awfully brave, knowing that they may die any minute, that they're going through, I mean, and they're entertaining these thoughts, and they figure, what the heck, we're going to live this up while, while we do it.
I was thinking that, or it could be that it was fake, and I kind of, I thought it was just too dangerous to be acting that way.
And you know, I brought this up in school, and you know, the teachers, the kids, you know, they put that down.
So I let it go for a long time, but I always had it in the back of my mind.
Then about the time when I was getting older, I knew there was trouble in the country.
I acquired a short wave stat.
I instinctively knew that shortwave would be what I'd want to look for.
I mean, I'd want to thirst to die.
I thought so, to tell you the truth.
You know, I thought I'd be hearing information from outside of the country.
I never thought I'd be coming from a van.
And when I heard, you know, all the shows, I was like, ooh, I'm not down.
And then, you know, nine o'clock Pacific time, you know, that old siren came on.
Boy, I knew that was something.
So I really lifted my hand.
I know I'm not used to this, so I got to get used to laughing at myself.
It's not a problem.
I'm just getting used to it here.
Listening to the show, I remember one episode where he was talking about the astronaut from the moon in one-sixth gravity.
And seeing that show, it was like, hey, I was thinking this a long time ago, and here he's talking about it.
I felt somewhat empowered that my thoughts weren't so off-base.
Listening to his program, And shortly after that, maybe a year or two, he came out with this book, NASA Moon to America, by a man named Rene.
I still don't know if that's his real name or his last name or what.
I obtained his phone number before I was able to do this, but I haven't been able to get to his house with him yet.
A lot of my material is going to be based on this.
And I know a lot of you people out there have it already because in my short acquaintance with you, many of you have it.
But I don't plan to do a book report on this.
When I obtained this book, it was so enlightening.
It inspired me to hit the books myself and see if I could back it up, see if I could poke holes in it, substantiate it, You know, something that just made me really want to stay.
So that's what I've been doing.
And also I got this other publication.
This book he published called The Last Skeptic of Science.
The book myths are trying to stop, and it's kind of a collage of different papers that are associated with subjects like this and other things we'll be referring to.
So... Let me just look at my list here.
I've got so many things to talk about.
I had to write it in outline to get it.
I'm being a little nervous.
It's hard to read it.
Okay.
Okay, when I was doing research, you know, I went to the old popular science.
Has anyone ever seen one of these, or seen the popular science?
Okay, well, I've seen it.
I've seen it a lot.
In fact, I've seen it on TV shows.
I remember one episode of Heart to Heart, and it was right there in the library.
I remember saying, hey, that's the one I've got.
So I checked it out, and I found this there, a SWAT meet.
Because the second one my father bought me years ago was a worn pattern.
When I was a kid, I read all these books.
I was always interested in how things worked.
So, I saw this fan at Swampy and they bought it for $10.
Brand new, sealed and everything.
So, if I can show you here...
One of the things with the moon... I wanted to get some information on the moon, because many people take the moon for granted.
We have ideas about it, but as you'll see when I show you these demonstrations, you'll be knocked out, because it has nothing to do with what you think.
Now, you can find the distance from The Earth's in the Moon, of course, in these volumes, but I just want to take a chance and see if anyone has an idea or how many people in general have an idea how far it is to the Moon.
Any thoughts?
Okay, let's go to the next step.
These people are really up for the job.
Well, okay, let's go to the next step.
Do you know how they found out how far away it is?
Yes.
They used to...
Well, amateur radio did it by radar.
I think it's the first time.
Okay.
Years ago, before radio, how do you suppose they did it?
They knew how far the moon was away, way back when they built pyramids.
Now, you think about that.
How did they do it?
it. I'll show you. I wish I had a big blackboard here because it's a good crutch.
I don't have to fool with things.
But, generally, The Earth is over here, and the Moon here.
Okay, well, how do they determine how far away the Moon is from the Earth?
Because they first, they know two locations on the Earth.
The distance, not the circumference, but the distance through.
Oh, that's a real strong shot here.
Okay, the distance through the earth, from this point to here, see they even, they figure that distance, and then to the moon here, you have the, that's the triangle.
So if they know the distance from here to here, and they measure these angles, they can determine the distance from here to there, through the middle.
Right, okay, and of course the reverse works too.
If you want to know the diameter of the moon, what you do is you know your distance.
Then you calculate points where the angle is, and that would tell... From this part of the earth, you would measure a triangle this way.
And then, of course, you know the angle of the triangle on this side, and that tells you the diameter there.
So, is that clear?
We understand?
Okay, so the diameter of the moon is 2,116 miles.
The diameter of the earth is 7,927 miles.
Okay, now those facts are in this book and are there for all of us to read.
And the question is, using these pieces here, how far the softball is roughly the size of
the moon, how far away in your mind's eye are these progenitors?
Let me get it.
I especially got this globe here for this demonstration.
I like it because I can take it out of there.
It was nice to have one here, but it's thin to make it awkward.
So, imagine that we're out in space.
Here's your Earth, and here's your Moon.
Now, I'm going to ask a couple of you out there, how far do you think it is?
And we've got a smarty here.
Maybe someone else down here has an idea.
And he said twenty-five times.
Twenty-five times what?
A hundred and twenty-five times the diameter of the earth.
Because the earth is two thousand miles and he said the earth is two hundred and fifty-five thousand miles away from the moon.
So two thousand to two hundred and fifty thousand is roughly a hundred and twenty-five times.
Well, your idea of finding it is right, but I think it's wrong, because what you do is you divide 7,927 into 239,000, which is the average, because it's supposed to be an elliptical orbit.
So just taking an average, that goes 30 times.
So let me talk over you a little bit.
So just taking an average, that goes 30 times.
So when you talk, you move, and you go out there, and you hold that.
Okay, do you guys see that?
Wow.
Now, there's a way that I can prove this.
If I had a long pole, and I went to that baseball, and I was strong enough to hold it, and if the moon was in the vicinity, you hold that baseball up to that moon, and it's going to be the same size as the moon.
So it shows that the scale is correct.
Okay, now this is mind-blowing. Okay, now this is a fact.
If they really went to the moon, this is what they would have had to do. See, it's
either one of two things. It's a great accomplishment because imagine that moon isn't
stationary, that's a moving target.
And you have your, I'm not telling you how far off this is yet, but it's coming off this
globe, hitting a moving target, and it has to hit that target at the right angle precisely
to go around it.
Because if you miss it, there's no second chances.
Gone, right?
Is that agreeable?
Okay, you can bring that moon back.
Ha ha ha.
Okay, now we know what they claim to have done.
What are they doing today?
We know about the shuttle project.
We know about putting satellites in orbit, things like that.
Okay, does anyone know now how high the shuttle usually flies?
Here, I know you're sharp out there.
What is it?
Well, it's a little more than that.
Now it's a little more than that.
It's 300 miles.
300 miles, they say.
And I always...
We don't know.
They say that.
Okay, where do you suppose 300 miles off of this?
This really makes it hard to think of it.
Right.
Less than a quarter of an inch off this globe.
And you can find that out because you divide 12 into 7,900.7, you get 660 miles to the inch.
And they say they go up 300 miles, that's less than a half an inch, isn't it?
So, here you go, that moon's out there, here's the Earth, and now we can prove this, because once you know that, this is a standard.
This is a reference.
Now the way I look at it is when you look at those pictures they claim that they did out in outer space, what you do is you put your eye right close to that ball and you You match the horizon, the curvature of the Earth, to what they've said.
And if it matches, it's going to be at the scale, and if it's not, where are we?
So here's an example.
I've seen many, many times where they're shooting out the Atlas rocket, and you see these beautiful pictures of the stages dropping off with fire around them, and you say, ooh, man, look at that.
Okay, well, when you see those pictures, you're seeing the Earth From about a distance like this, you see that curvature of the earth like this, with those stages dropping off.
Okay, now you look at that reference point from about here to here, and you're talking about this far.
That's further than the United States.
That's over 3,000 miles.
So they're dropping off 1st and 2nd stages 3,000 miles off when they claim it's under 100 miles.
There's something wrong with their photographs.
Am I right?
There's nothing else it could be.
This is the standard.
One of the things that they did back in July 1st, 1957 to December 31st, 1958 was called
the International Geophysical Year.
The I.G.Y.
You've probably heard of that if you went to college or something.
It's U.N.
stuff.
They gathered all the scientists together.
They were drilling and poking and measuring everything that they could to establish the old doctrine or the old measurement that Jesus thought was right.
They checked out this geometry which we had before.
They had devices that were called a Markowitz dual-rate moon camera and a Dijon astrolabe.
And those were devices similar to sextants and things that they attach to telescopes to accurately measure these distances for the moon.
And that was supposedly for the upcoming moon project.
So, you know, in a way, they really confirm the old thing, because really, we know that man was smart all along.
It wasn't his gradual evolution that they were cavemen or something.
I mean, it's obvious the Egyptians, you know, they were very smart with pyramids.
They don't, they say that they don't know how they made them into this day, do they not?
And I believe, with my I should say, my way of exposing this is going to show that man-made is not something from somewhere else.
And we'll get into that later.
Okay.
But now I was reading this encyclopedia over the years.
It's in volume one, by the way, on page 237.
It's an illustration that I've never been able to find anywhere else, and I've been looking.
This illustration here is like a graph or a scale that shows the different layers of
the atmosphere.
And it's interesting to note in one book I was reading that the breathable air that we
breathe to this size of globe is less than the thickness of the coating that they put
on it.
They said varnish but this is a newer one that probably has some kind of poly something
on it.
But the air that we breathe on this globe here is actually thinner than this coating.
So we're talking about these layers.
So if I may, what I'll do is I'll get this erased and I'll draw it.
If you're taking notes or something you might want to do this because leading up to a point
is a very vital understanding of this.
If you take your paper long ways, like this, and you draw a line for a horizon, you know, I never knew until just a few months ago where that word came from, Horus Rising, but on this horizon, I know now, okay, it's, let me explain it this way first.
In the old books, see, you have to understand that all this All these things, airplanes, jets, rockets, this all happened within 50, 60 years.
So this is really new stuff.
When we talk about these layers, in the old books, there's only four layers.
But just before they went to the moon here, this was published in 1970, so I'm sure the type was set.
I was like, on committee and everything, when they made these books, this information, not to the minute 1970, but obviously before they went to the moon, it exposes other layers that they could find.
And that's the ones I'm going to show you tonight.
If you have your paper ready, put this line here.
On the very first layer, they call that the troposphere.
So we'll put that on right here.
Now the troposphere, we could define as, well, I could more or less tell you, or I could
read it from the books.
Blackboard.
So, I'm going to go ahead and start with the troposphere.
Oh, thank you.
Well, this is a real honor and a privilege.
And so it's time to keep helping each other.
Thank you, Bill.
Okay, the troposphere is defined as from 0 to 7 miles height.
So from this area here to here, this is the one we're talking about.
Now, I'll just read a little bit from the book, because, you know, I could explain it, but it's better to get it right from here.
The troposphere is 0 to 7 miles up.
The troposphere is the air which all human beings usually have in And it's also the seat of weather and climate.
The troposphere is the densest part of the atmosphere.
The air pressure drops with increasing altitude, and we have already pointed this out, but there is more water vapor and carbon dioxide in the troposphere than in any other layer.
And it goes on and on, but basically what it's saying is that the air that we breathe is in this layer here.
Okay, the next layer I'll sort of start with.
Maybe, I know you, there's a lot of smart people out here.
What do you suppose it is?
You know what it's called, anybody?
I heard one.
Stratosphere, correct.
Okay, I'll design that one now.
It's being 7 to 29 miles.
on now being 7 to 29 miles.
Is that Mary Larving?
Does that mean it's flush release?
No, what I mean from 7 to 29 miles.
From 7 miles high to 29?
Right.
It starts at 7 miles high and then it goes to 29 miles.
You know, here's something I couldn't understand.
They, here, even in the book, they say there's no fine line between the layers.
So don't ask me why they call it 29 miles when it could easily be 30.
I'm just telling you what it says here, and I don't know what their reasoning is, but they say it can vary a couple miles.
There's no hard line if the word crosses, but that's the definition from the textbook that we have.
Let me go now to the stratosphere, what this consists of.
The stratosphere is less dense than the underlying troposphere.
It contains much the same gases, except there is less water vapor.
The altitude of 15 miles, much ozone is concentrated.
Because you know the story about the ozone pretty well by listening to the hour and time.
It absorbs mostly ultraviolet radiation from the sun and thus is heated.
From a low of minus 60 Celsius at 7 miles, the stratosphere temperature rises slowly up to the base of
the underlying mesosphere, and that's 29 miles.
The temperature of the stratosphere increases in the summer.
Well, I'll think of something else, but I'm going to save this.
Well, it's a lot of reading, but the point I want to make is that in the stratosphere, the temperature drops.
From here, the higher up you go, it gets colder.
And isn't this what we understand?
Because when we look at the old World War II movies and see the B-17s flying high, they're wearing those neat leather jackets I like, you know, and they're way up there in the cold, right?
Well, that's how it was.
But I'm afraid that gives people the illusion That the higher up you go, he's getting cold.
Does anyone in here that has read the National Moon of America book know what I'm coming to, or understand what I'm getting at?
There's a hand back there.
In our concept of temperature, you have to have temperature molecules, but you only have molecules.
Temperature doesn't mean anything.
That's a good point.
That's going to come later.
But what I mean for right now is...
Right, there we go.
Okay.
Is that okay?
Hold on, please.
Okay.
Now, let's go up to the heart here.
Okay, the next layer is the mesosphere.
29 miles it starts to 48 miles high.
I'm going to go to the bathroom.
So that's your third layer.
Now let's get to the reference spheres and how they define that.
Alright, 29 to what?
Forty-eight.
Yeah, well, here it's forty-nine, but that's close enough.
Oh, no, you're right.
Forty-eight.
Maybe it's because I'm a little nervous when I think, huh?
That's okay.
Okay.
You'd be already close if you'd be with me.
Right.
Okay, the composition of the mesosphere is not unlike that of the stratosphere.
The gases are less dense, of course.
Carbon dioxide and water vapor are of little importance.
The mesosphere has a layer of ionized or electrified air, the so-called D-layer, extending 30 to 50 miles above the Earth.
is caused by the action of solar ultraviolet on an air molecule that is charged with electrons.
Ozone also occurs in the mesosphere where it is formed by the action of solar ultraviolet
and X-rays on oxygen. The temperature from the low of 60 Celsius, such as 7 miles in
a stratosphere, raises to 0 centigrade, an altitude of 30 miles. Then it drops to about
minus 90 at about 50 miles above the Earth, the surface of the Earth. So you see in the
mesosphere it's starting to vary. Now like I said before, in the older books they are
identifying that layer as being called only the ionosphere.
When, if you understand anything about it, if the ionosphere is anywhere from the top of the
stratosphere all the way up to a different degree, you know, depending on what
frequency you're transmitting at, they can determine how high or at what density level it
bounced back or ricocheted off.
And that changes through the years.
Through the year, depending on weather, temperature.
You know, that's why when I try to listen to Bill on shortwave, sometimes it sounds great, and other times I can't get it.
And that's why.
Now here they also define these other layers of the ionosphere, the D layer, E layer, F1
layer, F2 layers.
So you know they have it pretty well figured out at what frequency, you know, it haunts
the best.
Okay, now we're getting to the one that's really important.
It's these lights here that make the bird read.
Okay, maybe I should put it on this board first.
Okay.
What do you suppose the name of it is?
It's totally, totally about what we're getting at.
It's Propo... Pardon me?
Proposterous?
No, that was the first one.
That was the Ionosphere?
That's the Ionosphere.
Well, remember that, maybe I should clarify, that, the Ionosphere was the old definition.
As they were getting more knowledge about radio and radar and whatnot, they could find the different layers.
And this layer, the things... No, we'll get to that one.
The thermosphere.
You got it.
He knows what's happening here.
Okay, when I saw that, the first thing that came to my mind...
The thermosphere, what are we talking about?
I thought it was getting colder.
And usually when they say thermo, they're not referring to the cold part of heat, they're referring to rise in temperature.
So I really, I knew I was on the right track here.
The next one, which is the thermosphere, is defined As being from 48 miles high starting to 250 miles here.
Okay, wait till you hear this definition.
There's no way they could teach this today.
There is a wide range of temperature in the thermosphere.
From a low of about minus 90 centigrade at 50 miles altitude, the temperature rises to several thousand degrees at 300 miles and higher into the atmosphere.
Now let me just say that one more time.
And the temperature raises to several thousand degrees.
Okay, how much is several thousand?
They didn't say what it is, but... Yeah.
Right, I think of several as at least more than two.
And I think it could be as high as four or five, couldn't it?
I mean, we're talking about several.
So that's what it says here.
And now I'll be finished.
It's just not true.
And then into the atmosphere.
A great deal of this intense heat, if not all of it, is due to the fierce solar energy and other kinds of radiation bombarding the atmosphere at those immense heights.
The air is too thin here to offer much resistance, and there are no clouds to shield it from the constant onslaught.
So, there it is, right there.
What?
What are they saying?
Now, it's interesting to know, it's just a coincidence, that in the same volume, here in the batch, they're talking about the Bessemer steel trough.
Now, if you read what that is, It's a blast furnace of only 2,000 degrees and 300 miles an hour can take iron ore and melt it into steel.
So here is the same definition found in this book.
How is it that the Apollo space capsule transversed these layers and came back And one piece without them being in a molten piece of
lattice.
That's how it's done in the fields.
There's a lot of times I have to broadcast with this, when I say it couldn't possibly even go through this
radiation of space.
It can't.
It can't, but not in the bathroom, you know.
So no, that's all we're getting to.
I'm not going to argue it for you, I'm going to measure it.
I think you're going to sugar-treat me.
You're going to sugar-treat me.
Okay, we'll see. I think...
This is just a beginning.
Right.
Day one.
In a couple years, I can call you and tell you that.
Thank you very much.
Thanks a lot, man.
I love you.
I love you, too.
Where do you go by the boat?
I'm sorry I didn't get that.
Okay, now, I think it was mentioned.
What?
How?
Okay, temperature is what?
What is temperature?
Temperature is an attribute... Well, what does temperature have to be associated with?
It has to be associated with matter, molecules.
Okay.
If you have matter, it doesn't matter what it is, solid, liquid, or gas, you have molecules of it.
And heat is the acceleration of those molecules when it's cold and so on and so on, okay?
So, what, knowing that, what do you think the definition, I mean, the temperature of space is?
See, because when they went there, when they were on the moon, supposedly, they were sitting on the moon, they said they were sleeping, but they couldn't sleep because it was too cold.
That's just something.
So, knowing what to know of what heat is, or what the temperature is, and knowing what space is, what is the temperature of space?
You understand what I'm trying to say?
Right.
Space wouldn't have a temperature.
Because space is a vacuum and it's a lack of matter.
And we can prove that.
There's a thermos bottle.
There's one right there.
How do they make a thermos bottle?
There's really two bottles in one.
They evacuate the air in between.
They put either a hot or cold liquid inside.
And not having the matter to transfer, or I should say penetrate.
But there's, I should have mentioned, there are three ways of conducting heat.
There's, I mean, convection, conduction, and radiation.
So, how to make a thermos bottle to prevent radiation, they make it a mirror inside, nice and shiny, so when the heat goes out it tends to reflect it back in, and the conduction and the convection is out because there's no way for that to happen through the thermos bottle.
So what I'm trying to get at is space itself doesn't have a temperature, but anything that's
in space will have a temperature.
Okay, well they claim what they had to do is because of the heat and the cold, when
the Apollo craft was heading out to that moon out there, that it had to do that Dutch roll
they called it.
Okay, and their logic to us was that, well it's hot on this side, it's rolling over into
the cold, cool off, go back into the hot again.
See, so they want us to believe that's what they did and think of the navigation problems they would have with this because, you know, they had primitive computers back in those days and to Go somewhere for destinations and to compensate for that role all the time.
Well, we know it's It was never necessary because of the situation with the heat.
What would really happen is, like it was brought out in the Half the Moon in America book, in the Mayus illustration, you've got a hot dog in the barbecue.
It's in the heat.
It doesn't matter how fast you turn it.
It doesn't matter if you cook it all the way through.
This is a good book.
I've read it 12 times and I still don't have everything memorized.
This follow-up on here, well I think it came first really, The Last Skeptic of Science.
If you have any inclinations to these You know, these thoughts like this, it's a good read, because it crashes every major theory.
And like, remember, a theory is not a fact.
It's supposed to be an idea based on facts.
So that gives you latitude that maybe that theory, from that conclusion, Isn't the right conclusion, because there's other ways you can handle or interpret these facts to come to a different conclusion, right?
So, I heard it on the hour of the time that Bill mentioned that soon, and I thought he might have got the idea from this book.
Because the Einstein simple and the complex theory of relativity, you know, it could fall any day based on some of these ideas.
And so it's just very good, very good.
Now I better stick to this outline here.
I can't see far off here.
Which book were you talking about?
Oh, I was talking about The Last Skeptic of Science, a Mensa.
The book Mensa tried to stop.
I've never read it.
OK, well, what it is, is I believe he used to be lonesome, and it's because of the heat and the controversy over this book that he's no longer a member.
Yeah, I heard that story.
They kicked him out because of the book.
Put their hand back there.
Oh, OK.
Well, that's easy.
And that brings to mind another point.
OK, well, I'll use that shelf as a space cap.
OK, that kind of looks like one, sort of, right?
Well, the Dutch roll was supposed to be that it turned on its axis like this.
Like if that light was the sun and it's going to its destination, that it turned like this,
supposedly so that this side would get heated from the sun, but it would roll over into
the cold of space to dissipate the heat off and roll back into the heat.
That was the idea.
Right.
Okay, now here's an interesting fact about this, is that when something like this is in orbit, you know, when you watch the space shows on TV, they always show, you know, the... I'll get my work here... And the spaceship's going around like this, and it's always going... it's always heading nose first around The Earth, right?
Well, that would be true if the capsule was powered, or being pushed to go around the Earth.
But in reality, it's orbiting the Earth, and there's nothing pushing it, so instead of it going nose first, it would go this way, and those would still be aimed the same way it was going
and then it would come back around this way backwards and then go around like this or it'd be at the
whim of whatever whatever force might happen to take it. There's no...
It's not going to take it to get a good shot.
Right. It's a diesel whim.
Right. See that blows a lot of things away because see they're talking about taking photographs
and different experiments that they did and was dependent on that idea of doing that but it
shouldn't have. I think that's the same reason why number two one decided to move in orbit.
Tom. Tom, go ahead.
Pardon.
I'm glad you brought that up.
That happens to be a subject on this show.
And it is something that is... Oh, brother.
Okay, let me tell you.
Let me ask you.
Okay, we have the earth.
What is it that... Okay, the earth is moving around the sun.
Well, what do you suppose or what do you think the common scientific idea is that turns the earth like this as it's going around?
I'm not sure of the direction at this moment, but it's turning one way and it's as it's going around.
What do you suppose the common idea is?
I mean... Oh, that's a good question, isn't it?
Well, a centripetal force might... Tripetal force?
Tripetal, not centripetal.
Oh.
Centripetal.
Are you referring to some like initial big bang they claim?
And it's not that far back.
Maybe I don't understand what that is.
Can you explain?
Well, of course, it keeps it turning like that because there's two orbits going on.
One of the orbit around the sun and then another orbit that's going around this way.
Exactly.
What's causing that, though?
Well, this is what they claim or what they believe in.
They believe after the initial big bang that, not that I agree with this, but that's what they're claiming.
The initial big bang, the centripetal force, when it formed the planet over all these years, that that initial motion is the same motion that's turning the Earth now.
That's what they claim.
But there's discrepancies in that, because the invention of the atomic clock That they know that sometimes it slows down and then speeds up.
So why would it count for the speeding up?
Because, see, over the millions of years, you would think it would actually go slower, slower, slower, right?
But it's staying at the same speed and sometimes going faster.
It's an attraction, so it's like, you know, it's going.
It happens.
This is, okay, the scientists acknowledge that there's interaction between the oceans and the atmosphere.
Okay, we're talking about the atmosphere.
Okay, and they acknowledge an interaction.
The interaction that they believe is that the earth is turning, causing the seas to turn, and also causing the atmosphere to turn.
But if you look at it through another way, or the opposite way of that, is that we know of the immense radiation in space, that this constant bombardment The radiation on the atmosphere is causing the atmosphere to turn, causing the oceans to turn, and that turns the Earth, not the other way around.
And to prove this theory, because it's just a theory, is that moons that don't have any substantial atmosphere, they don't rotate.
See, so there's some credibility to this.
And it makes more sense because they can't explain the speeding up.
Okay, now it gets to this thought.
Okay, now suppose that this bulb was the sun.
Okay, the earth would be about the size of a pea compared to this.
How far away would that pea be from that sun?
Somewhere down the road.
Now, you've got it.
It'd be exactly where the toilets are, about 215 feet.
And it has, like, a radius.
Oh, we have a man back there again?
The heating that you were talking about, there's different ways of heating.
There's the earth going around in different portions of the year, different parts of the earth around the axis, whether there is an axis.
There's different ways of heating that will generate that force.
Well, that's a really good idea.
I think I said my idea about access a little.
And you know, all these things that all... Right.
Now we have to take it and go through the multiple teeth and stuff, and then get rid of the teeth.
So you can get rid of the force.
Right. But you do see the logic where if it works one way, it can work the other way.
And it's more reasonable in working the unconventional way because the boon's not turning.
And that also explains why it can speed up and slow down.
Okay.
All right, during this IGY year, the International Geophysical Year, there was a team of scientists under the direction of James A. Van Allen.
He was an American physicist at the University of Iowa.
Now, what they discovered And with the thing of this, uh... Well, maybe we should get him, Bill.
Thank you, Bill.
Do you mean to tell me not one university has come up with this theory?
Say all of them.
Oh, do they?
They're in underprivileged.
No, they're in on their job and they're going to grants once they move.
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