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Feb. 25, 1999 - Bill Cooper
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Freedom
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the world.
You're listening to the Hour of the Time.
I'm William Cooper.
Ladies and gentlemen, tonight you're going to hear another one of the lectures from one
of our many conferences, which one doesn't make any difference.
Those who attended will recognize it.
The rest of you need to hear it.
And this is one of my lectures, and it has to do with what this is all about, what this broadcast is all about, what this nation began to be all about, that's being destroyed today.
What we all profess to care so much about.
So make sure you have pen and paper, and take copious notes, folks.
You're going to need to refer to them from time to time.
As you're going to hear, some of the people who attended the conference had many varying and widely different views on this subject, when we should have all understood it and been together on a definition.
The title of the lecture is freedom.
And the reason we're doing this is we've had many, many requests to do a broadcast on freedom.
Now, in the beginning, I'm going to be asking questions of the conference audience.
You're not going to hear very well a lot of what they say, but just hang in there because as soon as we go around the room and get all the answers from the audience, Then we get heavy into the meat of the matter.
So, without further ado, we take you to one of our many conferences, to a lecture by me,
John Cooper, on the subject of freedom.
Okay, what we're going to talk about now is a precursor to everything else that's going
If you don't understand the subject of the next hour and a half to two hours before we break to eat supper, Then you're not going to really understand anything else that follows.
And I know that most of you don't need this, but it's an absolute requirement that we talk about it.
We've got this.
And that's freedom.
There are so many people in this world who talk about freedom, but they haven't got the slightest concept of what they're talking about.
For instance, I can ask anybody in any high school graduating class, in any high school in the nation, to define freedom for me.
And I'll get some weird off-the-wall statement, well, it means freedom of speech.
Well, what does that mean?
Well, it means I can say anything I want.
Does it?
Does it really?
What is freedom and what does it really mean?
And why should we be so concerned about the meaning of that word?
So, that's going to be the subject for the next hour and a half to two hours, and I'm going to need some participation or some help from you.
Because this is really important, that you grasp the concept and the true meaning of the word freedom.
Let's sort of go around the room.
And folks, I'm not doing this to embarrass you.
And it really isn't a right answer, as you're going to find out, because the definition
or the meaning of freedom is subjective.
When we talk about society as a whole, it has an objective meaning, a real, definite
meaning if you want to have a society that is in peace with each other.
But depending on who you are and where you're coming from, and what your particular moral code is, or lack of moral code, or your system of ethics, if you will, Your definition of freedom is going to be subjective.
It's going to be based upon what you, particularly, have been taught to believe in your life.
So I'm going to go around the room real quick, and I want everybody to give me just a quick, simple definition of freedom.
Don't be embarrassed.
I'm not going to use you as an example or embarrass you or anything.
and I want you all to get an idea of the different concepts of the different people in this room
which represents probably a segment of the very best of the population that really wants
to have a good future in movement freedom.
Even amongst this group you're going to find that there's going to be some different answers.
Pat, do you want to start off?
To do what you want to do without having to worry about somebody putting restrictions on
you.
Yes, you know, being a responsible person and things like that.
Yes.
I think that's a good point.
Thank you.
Thank you.
With responsibility.
Okay, without offending other people.
Okay.
Me?
Choice.
Okay.
Principally the same as Pat, that you had choice.
Now, this is interesting because to understand what he said, we have to define liberty.
And if we don't, we really don't know what he said, do we?
Next.
Freedom is a right to freedom.
Freedom is a right to freedom.
So freedom to you means mind your own business, don't judge other people.
You can do what you want in this world and you can do what you want here.
Next.
Freedom is being able to do what you want to do without harming other people's person
or property.
Is that correct?
Yes.
Next.
I'm sorry, continue.
Make your own decisions.
Okay, next.
Agree with or participate in making wrong decisions and participate against other people making
decisions.
So you agree to make your own decisions, but participate in decisions that other people
make that might affect you.
Okay, ready?
So, I think that's a pretty good choice.
Okay.
Jay?
That would be somewhere between slavery and license.
Between slavery and license?
Yeah, it would be.
You did something similar to what he did.
Now we have to define slavery and license before we really understand what he said.
And if we don't...
It would be total control.
Pardon?
Slavery is total control?
It would be total freedom without moral or ethics.
That's what I'm saying.
Okay, no restrictions whatsoever.
No concerns either.
I'm going to go get a drink.
So, you know, I'm not going to go into that. I'm going to talk about the first thing that's
going to happen. I'm going to talk about the first thing that's going to happen. I'm going
to talk about the first thing that's going to happen. I'm going to talk about the first
I'm just kidding.
you You know, to do what you want to do with all kinds of rules and stuff, right?
Sure. That's it.
I think that's right.
Did I say that right?
Did I say what he said, yes?
Okay.
Up front.
Hello?
Yeah.
by a minority.
Yeah.
I think that's right.
Did I say that right?
Did I say what he said?
Yes?
Okay.
That's right.
So, yes sir?
Truth is essential to freedom.
That's right.
Truth is essential to freedom.
And that's why we're here.
OK.
Freedom in a nutshell is the responsibility and allowing persons the ability
to make their own decisions and to allow them, I have the words, Paul sat out here,
to do the, you got lost, is it?
You got it?
Mark, okay, can you sort of say in a nutshell what that is?
Well, it's allowing someone else to have an opinion and allowing them to express their
opinion and allowing them the freedom to say what they need to say and you the freedom
to do what you have to say.
Because without being able to express your opinion, you have no freedom.
Yeah, to be able to live where I want to live, participate in the type of activities or income earning situation that I choose to pursue, as long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of anyone else.
Okay.
and the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and poverty, have been to us by their creators.
I believe that those rights have to be protected, and as long as they are protected,
using our system of constitutional republicans, right, of constitutional laws,
as long as we own it, the property of one, the life and property of another,
that's what we aspire to be as free people.
Okay, so basically what you're saying is that freedom, do you know,
is based upon the unalienable right to life, liberty, and property
under the constitutional law that governs this country.
Okay, next?
So, I say to you, live as you want, believe as you want, and live without fear.
Live as you want, believe as you want, and live without fear.
See, nobody else says that, does they?
Next?
Well, I decided that you'd be able to do your thing as long as you don't hurt anybody in front of you or in person.
Do your own thing as long as you don't hurt anybody in person or in front of you.
Next?
I believe your opinions are the way of life, and that's why I've been able to choose to deal with other things that have happened to me, and also that I've been able to Well, I can hear you say the decalogue, correct?
Yeah, that's the decalogue.
Do you want to know what it is you would have them do to you?
So, you know, I'm not going to be able to do that.
I'm going to have to do it.
to do whatever you wish as long as it doesn't infringe or hurt anybody else's right to do the same thing.
John, respect, respect, okay? John.
Right to defend myself. Right to defend yourself, okay?
Thanks.
Limited government without fear of the right of property and the right of the house of
God. That's what I'm here to do. I'm here to defend myself.
I'm here to defend myself.
I'm here to defend myself. I'm here to defend myself. I'm here to defend myself.
I'm here to defend myself. I'm here to defend myself. I'm here to defend myself.
State of mind, body, or spirit, realizing that God gave you certain rights, that He also gave others that you have to respect as usual.
Is that correct?
Does that paraphrase what you said correctly?
I don't want to say, I don't want to put words in anybody's mouth.
Respect the rights of others.
Okay?
If I get it wrong, correct me, because I want to make sure I say what you wanted to say.
Next?
Right to pursue your dream.
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Right to That's pretty simple.
There?
Yeah, I think there's actually a state of the fact that a lot of people don't know that it's fair to offer.
Right now, I actually, you know, they question my security.
But I think the Constitution first, you have to know what you want to do.
If you want to be a better man for the city, there's a chance that you'll be a better man for the land.
So it's a state of mind that you believe in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, to find the limitations
and the rights that you believe, if they were applied the way that they were written, would represent freedom of the
union.
Yeah, I say that a lot.
Now, I believe freedom is like a gift from the Creator, and only through man does that gift be infringed upon.
Take it away, we were regulated where freedom is the ultimate gift from the Almighty since you make responsible choices without hurting anyone else.
Okay, I think you said that pretty good.
I think that got on camera.
Uh, Denise?
Bitter.
Bitter?
Is this the restroom?
Do whatever you want as long as it doesn't interfere with anybody else.
Okay, all the way in the back.
Larry?
Freedom.
What's freedom to you?
So, you know, I'm not going to be a Christian.
I'm going to be a Christian.
I'm going to be a Christian.
I'm going to be great.
Thank you.
This is a private joke between Diane.
Diane and I have made friends that go back quite a ways, and she's taught us about an
awful lot.
So, if you don't understand, leave it be.
Yes, ma'am.
I'm going to be great.
Thank you.
This is a private joke between Diane.
Diane and I have made friends that go back quite a ways, and she's taught us about an
awful lot.
So, if you don't understand, leave it be.
Yes, ma'am.
I'm going to be great.
Thank you.
Yes, ma'am.
I'm going to be great.
Thank you.
Yes, ma'am.
Yes, ma'am.
Well, among others, I think it's the right to succeed or fail, even if your standard of success or failure is not the same standard as everyone else's.
Does the standard of failure of your standard, it's not the same standard as everyone else's?
It is?
No.
It doesn't?
It's the right to hope for success and not be failed.
We're going to have to live and breathe without asking anyone's approval.
We're going to have to live and breathe without asking anyone's approval.
expectations or potential, right?
Next?
You guys want to get in on this?
No?
We're in the process of trying to create a new system that brings in the kids and the
community.
But you also have to say that not everybody can do that.
You're wrong.
You're wrong.
We can't have the community be the reason.
So, we have to agree with that.
We have to agree that, yes, I want to be able to become a master, to make friends with them, to be able to accept them.
You're not a hero.
You're not another person who owns this property.
All the court of laws, the general laws, the common law, the criminal laws, the electoral
laws, all based on that.
Based on that.
The second one is you do everything to be law-abiding, openly agreeable, and promise
to do something about it.
All the common law contract laws are based on that.
Did you get it?
Did you?
Did you get that?
Now, we all want the same thing.
We all want to apply for what we want to do.
We don't live.
We burn.
We just don't have to work.
I gave it.
I'm not going to call it.
I gave it to that big stupid man.
I'm not going to do that.
That's what I have to do next.
In other words, if you're in the law office, I think I just said, apply for what you want
to do.
Not earn a trust.
When you're not a person who's law-abiding, and do everything you want as a prostitute,
you still have a trust.
Good.
Well, basically what he says is don't encroach upon other people on their property, and do
everything that you have promised to do.
And, you know, it would be a much better world if people just said what he said.
Don't do it.
You're always working in the shop.
It's nasty.
Are you also entitled to the ability to believe what you wish to believe, to be who you wish
to be, so long as you're not afraid to go out there and say, I'm just going to be who
I am?
Believe what you want to believe, be what you want to be, as long as you don't infringe
upon the same rights of other people.
Next.
I'm sorry, I can't hear you.
Basically what you're saying is do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Is that correct?
Okay.
Next.
God-human right that no man or anybody else can take away from anyone.
Gentleman?
That's it.
Two representatives here from SL.
I invited them to come and see what we do.
They'll be here for a couple of hours, I think.
This is Nolan Udall.
This is a neighbor of mine and a good friend.
What's your definition of freedom, though?
Freedom is when you take the job people dream about it and hear it from others.
You see them around you and say, I want to build this building.
Is that basically?
Right.
I just want to be saved from the good guys.
You want to be what?
Saved from the good guys.
Saved from the good guys.
I just want to have that freedom to be wild and be who I am.
Saved from the good guys.
Freedom to be what he wants to be and do what he wants to do.
That's what I've never heard that before.
Be saved from the good guys.
But isn't that what they really believe about themselves?
They believe they're doing what's best for all humanity, even if they're doing bad.
and only rationalize their actions and justifies the means.
And if we've got to make a better world by killing everybody this far into the day,
it's okay to do it.
So, you know, basically what he said is right on the money.
Stay from the good guys.
Carl, right.
Carl, what's your definition of freedom?
Carl, you know better.
You can't cop out at my school.
And I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that.
I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that.
What I want for everybody to see is even in this room, that's a pretty sophisticated room when you're talking about freedom, there's some pretty different answers in this room, isn't there?
Yes sir.
No responsibility is, if you have no responsibility, you're in an institution and you have no freedom.
If you have no freedom, you're in an institution, and you have no liberty.
On the other side, you have total responsibility, and then you have total freedom.
So, responsibility goes with freedom.
Okay.
Now, let's explore this from a real-world point of view.
Let's look at freedom.
Now, let's look at it every way we possibly can, because I think, by applying it to the real world, we can pretty much come to a real definition of freedom that everybody in this room can agree upon.
Now the reason that this has to be done is you look out across this country,
you read business paper as compared to business paper over here.
You listen to Ted Compton, Dan Rather.
You listen to a Sunday morning evangelist.
You listen to somebody who's a spokesperson for some group that calls itself a militia.
You listen to another group that says they're the constitutional rights activists of America.
You listen to the Greenpeace people and what you find is they're all trying
to practice a form of freedom that only they understand.
I'm sorry.
OK?
So, unless we all agree upon a definition of freedom, and we find out what that is by
applying it to the real world, then we really can't talk about freedom.
And when we say, you know, they're encroaching upon our freedom, who are we talking about?
The Greenpeace people?
The Christians?
The Mormon Church?
The Catholic Church?
The Baptists?
Are we talking about the atheists?
I mean, what are we talking about when we say, they're encroaching on our freedom?
Who's that?
If we could start with one premise, and we have to have a premise before we start, that
the Founding Fathers came to this country to escape religious persecution in the old
Would everybody agree with that?
Is that pretty much a true statement?
And part of the great battle building this country was people striving for religious freedom?
the people who came here to escape from religious persecution?
And isn't it still going on today?
What happened to the branch of Italy?
Did they have freedom?
Why are they so vilified?
Because they practiced a religion that was strange to everybody else.
is.
you So, freedom has its roots, basically, connected to religion, doesn't it?
Or, if you want to put it another way, escape from some religion.
OK, at least in the beginning.
You see, in the beginning, freedom was a concept that was strange to the world.
Strange to the world.
And we find that all through the history of the world, no matter which civilization you're talking about, you'll find books that say that the Roman civilization, or the Roman society, was a democracy where everyone was free.
Is that true?
Now, you can accept that or reject it, but when you actually examine the history of the
Roman Empire, you find that there was an elite group of people known as the original citizens
of the city of Rome, who were the only ones who were free and could participate in government.
If you didn't belong to that particular group of people, no matter where you lived in the
Roman Empire, you weren't really free, were you?
Were those people really free?
Even the elite who belonged to that select group that were the original citizens who
set up the empire, the families, were they really free?
Did the government of Rome recognize unalienable rights endowed upon individuals by their creator?
No.
So, freedom was something that was granted by the state, could be taken away by the state.
It was a capricious will of the Senate that said whether you were free or not, and how free you were.
Is that correct?
In the Greek civilization, were the people free?
the history of the world, folks, if you're really studying the history, and you don't
get caught up in all of these idealist, philosophical questions, but look at the reality of the
time, you'll see that no people on the face of this earth ever were free until this country
was founded.
And what was the premise that made people free in this country that had never existed
to be born in the history of the world.
So, something has to go before that.
There is a God.
Without God, there are no unalienable Creator-endowed rights.
So, if you reject God already, you reject the Creator.
Because God says, you have unalienable rights.
If God is the ultimate authority in the universe, who can take those rights away from him?
No one. Period. No one.
That's the premise upon which this nation was founded.
One, there's a God.
Whether you believe in God or not doesn't make any difference.
Our founding fathers said, for this to work, there must be a higher law that man must answer to.
Otherwise, liberty and freedom is at the capricious will of whoever rules, whoever is in office.
Therefore, there is a God.
Without that, there is nothing in us.
I've said it on my radio show many times.
How many of you have heard me say this before?
Whether you believe in God or not, you better start if you want to be saved.
How many of you have heard me say that?
How many times?
About half a million?
That's the truth, isn't it?
You see, man, if he doesn't have the answer to a higher authority, is subjective in everything that he does, isn't he?
Where does moral law come from?
Because we're God.
Without God, there could be no moral law.
Everything else is subjective.
I'm not telling you, you have to believe in God.
I'm giving the lesson of freedom as it was created by the founders of this country, and
as it existed for the first time in the history of the world with the creation of the United
States of America.
You know me, I'm a strict Constitutionist.
I believe that you have the right to believe in whatever you want to believe, and I'll
fight for your right to do that.
I'll even die for your right to do that, even if you believe in Satan, or if you believe
in nothing, or if you believe that you have the right to believe in God.
I'm not going to fight for your right to do that.
I'm going to fight for your right to do that.
Now, that's a strange concept, isn't it?
I can't be free unless I'm willing to die for your right to be something that I might hate.
How many people really understand that concept?
How many people out there in the world do you think really understand that concept?
But that's exactly what this country was founded upon.
The Founding Fathers knew that they had to create a nation that recognized unalienable rights, granted to each individual by his or her Creator.
Only by doing that, they took the capricious will away from the man-teachers and said,
Hey, you can't touch this area because you haven't got the authority to do so.
They established a limited government with limited powers.
and I'm sure you'll find a way back.
They did not establish a democracy.
They established a constitutional republic.
Part of the effort to destroy this country is to convince you that it's a democracy.
Why do you think they want you to believe that this is a democracy if it's not?
Why is that so important to these people?
You don't need God.
You don't need unalienable rights.
All you need is a majority vote, right?
Now, B.I.
Lenin, the founder of the Soviet Union, said, Democracy is indispensable to Socialism, because they know that the majority will always ultimately vote themselves everything.
Everything, which ultimately becomes Communism.
Okay?
So, one of the first steps of destroying freedom is to destroy a constitutional republic by convincing you that it's really a democracy, and that once you're convinced of that, you will make it happen, and you will slide into Socialism, and also you'll be a new enslavement and a Communist.
And that's what's happening in this country today.
So freedom, basically based upon the reality of the history of the world, depends upon
whether or not you believe in God.
If you believe in God, you believe that God gave man unalienable rights.
What's unenable mean? It comes from the root word, lean.
Cannot be leaned against. Now, you hear people say all the time, inenable.
What does inalienable mean?
It means it can be made.
See, they're trying to fool you.
Where is the definition?
Spell it out.
Where is the precedent set for which word to use?
The Declaration of Independence.
Read the Declaration of Independence.
That is the first document at law in this country—the very first as a nation.
There are documents that have effects that go back farther, but the first document at law in this country is the Declaration of Independence, which says that man was endowed by his Creator with unalienable rights.
Is that correct?
So, how come every time you see somebody on television or somewhere else, they're talking about inalienable rights?
Because if they convince you that that's true, and you use the word inalienable, what you're saying is your rights can be gleaned against and taken away.
The Greek word is unalienable.
Cannot be gleaned against.
Cannot be taken away.
No one has the authority to do it.
So, by the clever use of words, they trick you into giving up your freedom.
First, there must be a God.
Second, God must have granted man certain unalienable rights which he can never be taken away.
And third, the Constitutional Republic is set up to protect, recognize, and protect those rights.
Those rights define freedom, and limit government, and define freedom.
And basically, what they set up was a place for people to live, and do, and flourish, and reach the ultimate of their capabilities, as long as they didn't hurt the person or property of any other human being.
Now, it was flawed in the beginning, because here was the nation that first set man free in the entire history of the world, and said, There's a God, and God gave man unalienable rights, and at the same time turned around and said, This man's my slave."
But it's that same document that allowed those slaves to ultimately be set free and granted the same privileges and rights, because there are some privileges connected with this, as every other person, or every other living human.
We have to be careful with that word, person, don't we?
Would everybody agree with what I just said?
Okay.
So, there was a lot of different definitions here, and there were some that connected freedom to the Creator, and some that did not, and some that went this way, and some that went that way.
Basically, every one of you got it right in some aspect.
But you've got to understand this.
Even though the founding fathers said there is a God, who has adopted man's birth unenviable
rights and should never be taken away, and created a constitution and a Bill of Rights
that recognized that fact and protected those rights, what is your ultimate freedom or imprisonment
or enslavement depend upon?
It will depend on your will.
Because that's the right answer.
The will, and more than the will, the resolve to defend it.
Because governments change.
Bureaucrats come and go.
Men are allowed to leave office all the time, don't they?
And what is the ultimate character of the government?
It's the character of the men who occupy the offices within that government.
That's why in the Constitution of Bill of Rights, you will not see any reference to
God anywhere, or Jesus Christ, or any other religious entity of any church whatsoever.
Because they set the government up to recognize one thing only—that is God.
And God endowed men with unalienable rights.
This Constitution recognizes those rights and protects them and limits the government.
Even though God is not mentioned in there, it is implied through the writings and the
actions and the intent of the framers of the Constitution.
But they were very careful to establish a secular government, which because of the religion
of the early enforcers of this government—occupiers of government office, bureaucrats, presidents,
vice presidents, senators, representatives—the government reflected the morals and the ethics
of the Christian community.
But was the government itself Christian?
No.
The government never went to church, did it?
The government didn't say prayers, did it?
But the men who occupied the offices did.
Now, if you understand that fact, you might understand now why things are changing.
Are the people who occupy the offices of government now Christian?
Are they, for the most part, Mormon?
Are they Buddhist?
What are they?
Are they secular humans?
They're atheists, aren't they?
So, the reason you're seeing the government and the application of government taking the And doing the things that he's doing is because government always reflects the morals or lack thereof, and the ethics, and the beliefs, and the attitudes of the men and women who occupy the offices of government.
If these people have no moral code, and no ethical code, they have no restraints, everything becomes subjective.
Doesn't it?
Subjective is dangerous, because in my subjective viewpoint, You might be expendable, and I really don't care what you think about it.
I'm in charge.
And I don't care what that 200-year-old documents that those old doddering old men wrote who didn't understand the modern complexities of the new age wrote.
You're out of here, bud.
Home run.
Chop his head off.
That's what happened.
So, first, when we talk about freedom, these are the elementary things that we have to understand.
Freedom did not exist for the common man in this world, ever, in the history of the world before this nation was created.
And the only reason common man became free is because the founding father said,
there's a God.
That God endowed a common man with certain unalienable rights that no one can take away.
And we have set up a government and a constitution to build rights that recognize this,
protect those rights, and limit the power of government so that our posterity may enjoy this freedom.
What's the difference?
Well, let me ask you this.
Is liberty freedom?
No, no.
Why?
People always talk about liberty when they should be talking about freedom.
Freedom is too much.
Restrictions is too much.
Liberty is somewhere in between.
Is that correct?
Liberty is within guidelines.
When I was in the Navy, I had to stay on board the ship unless the captain granted liberty.
Liberty's great, right, man?
Realistic, huh?
Liberty is a privilege granted by whoever's in charge.
So, when you're talking about freedom, don't get it mixed up with liberty.
Liberty is good.
We should give people as much liberty as we possibly can.
If they can handle that liberty, and they're not going to hurt anybody else by giving them some more, other than what they have as the freedom that they've been granted by their Creator, and respected, and honored, and protected by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, why can't we give them some liberty?
We can, can't we?
Sure we can.
And that's good, but it is not the same as freedom, is it?
See, I was free before I joined the Navy.
When I joined the Navy, I got liberty.
Does everybody understand the difference?
And you don't really begin to appreciate that until you're in something like the Navy.
And if you're a low man on the totem pole, you still may not appreciate it.
I didn't really appreciate it until I was made a patrol boat captain in Vietnam and given a crew.
And given this patrol boat that cost probably a million dollars, and all these weapons that I could have destroyed any place I wanted to with, and I was responsible for these men, then I understood why there had to be liberty instead of freedom on that boat.
Because if I gave those guys freedom instead of liberty, I might have been on patrol by myself, and things might not have worked.
See, in his freedom, the gunners may have decided not to clean the guns.
But in my saying, you can't have liberty until the guns are cleaned.
I'm being sure that I got that.
So, liberty is sort of a judicious responsibility.
If you're not a despot, if you're a despot, you can turn liberty into something wonderful, can't you?
Something promised and never granted.
Who saw Mr. Roberts?
I'm glad when I was in the Navy, I wasn't on that ship.
Because those guys didn't have any freedom, and they never had any liberty.
And the only time they ever had any liberty, Paul Hellbrook was.
It was sort of a lesson in what can happen if you restrict the population too much.
When they finally went on the beach, what did they do?
They sorted it all out and everything.
Let Mr. Roberts hold him back, because he was a good guy, always sticking up for him, right?
Okay, have we sort of clarified that we're in a freedom?
Does anybody in here have any questions?
Because if you do, if you think I'm wrong, if you want to explore this a little more, we can do that.
Yes sir? I don't know if I can get the description of this or not, but there's a concept in the doctrine that's
slightly revealed in the letters to the sermons about Nicolai and Israel. It's generally not a good thing. It's all about
freedom and about liberty. I'm a right-wing centric theactricist.
I'm a right-wing centric theactricist.
and they have to delegate and afford their responsibility and their authority to the seniors. That's the problem of
the world. I'm not sure what the problem is.
I don't think that's what's wrong with the world, but I could be wrong. What I think is wrong with the world is man
is flawed.
Man is flawed.
You see, when I finally recognized that in myself and in others, I determined, I don't ever want to be a king.
Because if I'm a king, I may get the power that will tempt me to be despotic to my fellow man, and I don't ever want to be that.
You see, I've learned something in my life.
You can talk about the devil and Satan all you want to, or any kind of aspect of this evil entity, titan, satan.
I don't care what you call it.
All you want to.
But you see, I have a tendency to look at the real world, and I have a tendency to test philosophy just like I would test anything else.
If it doesn't stand up in the real world, it goes out.
It goes out of my life.
If you take man completely out of an area, evil ceases to dwell there.
The laws of nature operate flawlessly the way God intended them to operate.
If you put man into that picture, you bring evil into that picture, because evil dwells in the heart of man nowhere else.
And that's where evil must be confronted and controlled.
And good people confront evil within themselves on a daily basis, and come out victorious if they're lucky, and if they're diligent.
And even the best people are hiding some skeletons in their closet, because somewhere along the line, they gave in to temptation and committed some evil act, either against themselves or someone else.
The best people in the world, I don't care who they are, have some of those I know I'm talking to a liar.
Same when I meet a couple that tells me they never argue.
I'm talking to two liars.
Somebody tells me their children never lie.
Oh, brother, that's a real big lie.
And that's probably why their children don't lie.
You know what I'm talking about?
They taught their children to lie.
By lying like that.
The real world, the real world, if you look at it, will point you in the right direction.
Always.
When you get off these flights of fancy and all this kind of handy-dandy good stuff and nippy-dippy airy flight philosophy crap, you're going to get lost.
Stick to the real world.
Test what's right and what's wrong in the real world, and you'll be pointed in the right direction.
And that's the truth.
How many people do you know say, I don't have to get involved in real-world things, I'm going to be raptured?
How many of you know that?
What kind of people would allow evil to prevail without confronting it and battling evil?
Well, they have children, or grandchildren, and they know that if they don't confront
this defeated, their children are subject to it.
What kind of people are those people?
No, the truth is they're escapists.
They're escaping from the problem, and having to confront the problem, and solve the problem.
By convincing themselves and rationalizing, or subscribing to a belief that someone else teaches, that says, it's okay for you not to be responsible.
You see, it's a human thing for people to fall into that, because we spend a good twenty years of our life trying to get to a position where we can be responsible, leave home, sign contracts, get out of the real world, make our mark, and then when we find out how tough it is, Most people spend the rest of their life trying to find somebody that will relieve them of their responsibilities and take care of them, and that is the big attraction of Socialism.
That's what Socialism says to you.
I will take away the responsibility that you have.
I'm going to put it on my shoulders.
The state will assume that responsibility.
Yeah, you have to give up your rights and liberties and freedoms.
You have to do what we say.
But we take care of you.
We'll change your diaper.
We'll give you a job.
We'll give you an income.
We'll even tell you what job you're going to have.
And we'll give you that job.
And we'll furnish you with recreation and all kinds of stuff.
And we'll take care of your medical bills.
And a lot of people find that very attractive.
Because it says, I don't have to be an adult anymore.
I don't have to be responsible.
I don't have to look at problems or solve them.
All I have to do is go on to get on.
Right?
You might want to talk to my father.
He would have been an Air Force officer all his life.
Retired as a Colonel.
He was a pilot.
And I was weird on the Air Force bases all over the world.
I looked up to my dad.
I thought, my dad is defending freedom.
He's defending the Constitution.
He's fighting for the underprivileged in the world.
My dad is a big hero.
I mean, you bring a lot of credibility with you.
When you stand up and you talk, having done what you've done and being who you are, people are going to listen to you.
You could really be of great help in our crusade to keep this country on the right track.
But I can't help you, because I get a retirement check from the government, and if I help you, they might take this check away, and it's all over with, and I can't help you.
You know, it hurt me deeply, but I told my father goodbye, and I've never been back, because my father betrayed me and my children.
He sold out for a measly fifteen hundred bucks a month.
You see, freedom of my children, excuse me, grandchildren, You can't put a price on it for me.
The government could come tomorrow and offer me $500 million and I would spit in their eye before I would sell the freedom of my children and my grandchildren.
So I still love my father, don't get me wrong, but I can't go talk to my father anymore because he sold my children to you.
Okay?
And he did it because he's a human being, and human beings are weak.
My father has a brain.
He's one of the most intelligent men I've ever met in my life.
He doesn't have to take that chance.
And even at his age, he could make a real good living doing anything that he decided to do, because he's smart.
And he decided to sell my children, and me, his own children, my brother and sister, for
their retirement check.
And all of a sudden I realized, my father was not defending the Constitution, was not
defending freedom, was not standing up for the oppressed people of the world like I thought
he was as a boy.
He was not the eight-year-old that I saw him as.
My father was sacrificed for twenty years for that retirement check.
That was his whole goal.
And then I sat down and really looked at the military service, and it suddenly dawned on
me, this is an indoctrination in the Socialist that anyone who stays in the military for
twenty years and gets a retirement check, he has a Socialist.
And I realized that I was not the only one.
There's no doubt about it.
If they weren't, how come the VFW and the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars, which is the VFW, and the And the Vietnam Veterans Association, how come they're not all up in arms against what's going on in this country?
How come they're not up in arms against what's going on in this country?
They've been bought and paid for.
That's right.
Bought and paid for.
I went to the VFW once, I was in the U.S.
for several days, and I found out it was just a bunch of old guys sitting around getting drunk on beer and telling lies.
Not all of them are like that, but that's generally what goes on in most VFW halls.
And that's true.
So I left, and I've never been back.
And every once in a while I'll say, hey, you've got to come down and join the VFW set of things.
If I want a beer, I'll go downstairs, wait by a six-pack, drink at home with my family.
Thank you.
And continue my work.
And I won't tell no lies.
Because by and large, from my experience of war, there aren't any heroes.
War was not for heroes.
And it was a big rush sometimes.
That adrenaline can do strange things to your body and to your mind.
But it was a terrible thing.
And none of us ever ended up really fighting for what we thought we were fighting for anyway.
And in the heat of battle, who are you really fighting for?
No.
Yourself and your buddies.
You're listening to WBCQ, Monticello, Maine, USA.
This is the Hour of the Time.
I'm William Cooper.
And that's the truth.
That is the truth.
It boils down to that.
It's me and these four guys against the world.
But we want to make ourselves feel good, don't we?
So we invent all these other things to go on with.
If we really want to be honest, what we should be saying to ourselves is we were silly enough to make sure this never happens to our children.
And if we've got to fight a war, let's fight one last war for freedom.
And let's make sure that our children never have to fight another war ever again.
You get right down to it, folks.
I'm not as anti-war as anybody, but you try to take my freedom away, and I'll pick up a gun in a second.
When I came back from Vietnam, I promised.
I promised myself.
I took an oath in my own mind that I would never, ever kill another living thing in this world.
I was an avid hunter before Vietnam.
I haven't been hunting since then, because I went on the ultimate hunt.
There is no hunt.
There is no hunt.
That can make me happy.
Just say it.
In no thrill, I'm killing any animal or any person.
But if you're trying to take my freedom away, that means you're going to take my freedom away and enslave my children.
And for that, even though I hate to do it, I'll kill anyone who tries to do that.
I believe this with my whole being.
A man or woman without principles and ideals for which they are ready and willing to die
at any given moment that they are called upon to do so are already dead and are of no use
or consequence to anyone, not even themselves.
You can keep only that which you are willing to go all the way for.
you And once you're in the senses that you're not willing to go all the way for it, you'll take the way for it.
Isn't that true?
Isn't that true in business, in competition, in sports?
Isn't that true in the world?
You're on a football team and you're not going to hit that guy with everything you've got in your body.
You just bet your butt he's going to put you in the hospital in the very next play.
Isn't that true?
What makes you think it's not true in politics?
In the world today?
Why are people so eager?
Do not understand the definition of freedom, profess to love it, and be more willing to give it up, all at the same time.
Can anybody hear what I'm saying?
I can't hear six.
I struggle with that all the time, but that's what's happening, isn't it?
You really think that's the answer?
That can only happen if you don't believe in God.
I don't need one to tell me that they're Christians.
you I'm a Christian.
I'm a devout Christian.
I believe in the Word.
I believe in Jesus Christ.
He's my Lord and Savior.
Though, Bill, I can't help you because I'm afraid to die.
I look them right in the eye and say, then you're just like me.
You can't possibly be afraid to die if you're a Christian.
It is impossible.
It is impossible.
Cannot happen.
If you tell me you're a Christian, and you tell me you're afraid to die, or you demonstrate a fear in the face of evil, you are not a Christian.
You are lying to yourself, and you are lying to me.
Lying to me is forgivable.
Lying to yourself is unforgivable.
And I'm not saying you have to be a Christian.
I'm saying that this is what's happening, and it is in Congress.
I'm a Christian.
I'm up here because I'm not afraid to die.
I'm up here because I'm not afraid to die.
President Clinton called me the most dangerous radio host in America
because I'm not afraid to die or go to prison or anything else.
That is the first time I've ever heard that.
Yes ma'am.
Is it death that you're afraid of or the pain associated with it?
You're talking about the pain.
Okay.
I'm not afraid of death.
Irene is telling me that she's not afraid to die, but she's afraid of death.
And I think what she's trying to say is that she knows what she's going to go after she dies, and she's not afraid of that.
What I think she's trying to say is that you dread the transition, the painful transition from life to where you're going to go after you die.
Is that correct?
A lot of people are afraid of pain.
There's nobody who can withstand pain.
There's nobody who can be tortured and not talk.
All these POWs that say they were tortured and they never talked, they're not telling you the truth.
And that's why they take them to these intermediate places for debriefing and psychological evaluation and treatment before they're allowed to talk to the public, so that they will not go make admissions that the government doesn't want made.
This is true, I can tell you.
Absolutely, unequivocally, this is the truth.
All POWs who were tortured talked.
I know this because I was a member of the Office of Civil Intelligence, and I saw the reports.
I helped brief the Admiral on homecoming POWs, and nobody can withstand pain to the point that they will not do whatever whoever's administering the pain wants them to do.
So, pain is a terrible thing.
And you cause me to do the despicable things that you might condemn yourself for.
You should not do that because no one can withstand pain to an ultimate point.
No one can.
Everyone can be broken.
Pain can make you suffer.
It can make you hurt.
So, I can understand why people would dread the transition from life to death if there is a tremendous amount of pain connected with that transition.
But, that's not being afraid to die.
That's being human.
That's understanding the nature of pain.
But, not all deaths are painful, are they?
I think that a lot of it is that if a person believes in God, and they believe in the Eucharist after life, and they believe in Jesus Christ and the Eucharist on the cross for us, then really what they're afraid of is to live in their own life.
If you say to me you're a Christian and you fear death, I say you're not a Christian.
If you say to me you're a Christian and you fear judgment, I say yes.
Very wise.
Very wise.
I'm talking to a wise person.
And probably that person will not have to bear that judgment, because the fear of the
judgment of God will cause them to lead a good life.
I'm not saying that you should be afraid of God.
I'm saying that you should be afraid of God.
I'm not saying that you should be afraid of God.
I'm saying that you should be afraid of God.
I'm not saying that you should be afraid of God.
I'm saying that you should be afraid of God.
I'm not saying that you should be afraid of God.
I'm saying that you should be afraid of God.
I'm not saying that you should be afraid of God.
I'm saying that you should be afraid of God.
I'm not saying that you should be afraid of God.
I'm not saying that you should be afraid of God.
I'm saying that you should be afraid of God.
You see?
But a good person would never say they are beyond judgment.
you I always thought of myself when I did this, and believe it or not, I'm true.
Yes, I am.
You know, when you talk about, like, you didn't want to be, like, a leader, or a king, or whatever, I can understand what you're saying.
But the way we view, I just want to say one thing, the consistent set of values that you have is me, and a lot of us, mark of a leader.
And because you can turn on that radio, if you miss three weeks, or three months, three years, and you turn it on, and there you are.
And the same value system that was there three years before is there three years later.
And that to me, I mean, that's, I think that's why a lot of us are here.
There's a leadership character in you that allows that consistency.
But you know what?
I understand what you're saying, and I thank you for that.
It's not always easy to do that, because I'm human like everybody else.
But you see, I'm not a leader because I really want to be a leader.
I'm not doing this because I want to be.
I think you all know that.
I'm doing it by default.
And for my children to be free and be handed a heritage as the posterity of the founding fathers, I have to fight this battle.
I can't turn my back on my children and walk away.
I can't turn my back on you and walk away.
I can't turn my back on America and walk away.
I can't watch the only freedom ever given to humanity in the history of the world be destroyed and walk away.
I cannot do that.
I would much rather be doing a lot of other things.
I am a leader by default, because other, well, is that it?
Evil?
Evil prevails, because good men do nothing.
I don't want that ever said about me.
I want my children to be able to look at me in the way I used to look at my father, always.
I went to him to say, you know, my dad was a human being.
Sometimes, maybe I didn't think that he did the right thing.
Maybe he punished me once, and maybe I really didn't do it, but he thought I did.
But he was a just, good man who fought for our freedom, and because of what he did, we have what we have now.
Or, if we don't have it, it wasn't because he let us have it.
That's what I want my children to remember about me.
And I'm like Jeff, you know.
If I think something ought to be done, I'm just going to do it.
I don't care what regulations they say.
I don't care how they come after me.
I don't care what they threaten me with.
You know, I'll deal with the permits later.
That's the way it is.
Clint decided I was the most dangerous radio host in America,
and I told the truth.
I wouldn't have a wonder.
So he sent the FBI and they couldn't find anything.
They sent the IRS after me.
Some of you have been visited by the IRS asking you all kinds of questions about me, huh?
What did I do, Connie, when they came after me?
I stood them, didn't I?
Who's winning?
That's right.
You see, I learned something in Vietnam.
There is no defensible position that cannot be overrun.
What is the best defense?
Attack.
Identify your enemy and attack, and attack, and attack, and attack.
These are paper attackers.
The law does not give them the authority, but they are intimidating and threatening people into allowing them to get away with it.
But most people don't know that, because they never crack a law book.
I do.
They start a criminal investigation on me.
I said, what?
Please send me the written authority of the law, or the delegation of authority given to anyone who allows them to conduct a criminal investigation on me, other than that listed in the delegation of authority, and I listed it, which says that they can only conduct And guess what?
I'm a citizen of the United States of America.
They have no authority to conduct a criminal investigation on me for income tax, which
doesn't apply to me, because I'm not a foreigner making money in this country.
And guess what?
They can't produce it. Can't produce anything.
And the judge ordered them to do it.
And they still can't do it.
Now they're in contempt of court.
So I filed a motion.
And, ladies and gentlemen, we'll complete the rest of the broadcast with your calls.
You can make whatever comments you wish about what you just heard.
The number is 520-333-4578.
And the outcome of what you just heard concerning our battle with the Internal Revenue Service, of you who don't know about it, is that we filed, I don't know how many, a lot, lots and lots and lots of Freedom of Information Act requests over the years, asking them to produce, document their authority under the law to do what they do all the time to people.
They can't.
They never have.
And they won't.
And so we sued them, took them to court, and they would not produce it for the court.
And in order to get out of it, in the only way that they knew how, instead of allowing the case to run its course, they would have lost.
They knew it.
They lied to a grand jury, obtained indictments against my wife and are against fictional people, spelled all with capital letters, which represents a trust which in reality doesn't exist, and obtained warrants from a judge for our arrest.
And we challenged their jurisdiction.
Published a long challenge to their jurisdiction with all the points in law.
20 days to answer it.
And the law says where jurisdiction is challenged, it must be addressed.
Well, they defaulted.
They did not address it.
They did not prove jurisdiction.
They didn't answer it.
Nothing.
They are in default.
And according to the law, once it's published three times in a newspaper, and as a public notice, and that public notices were given to them, which they did not that it becomes presumed fact under the law, and we can act upon it as if it is fact, because their failure under the law to answer or address our challenge, our statement of fact, means that they can't, that they're admitting by default that we're right.
And so it's sort of a standoff.
They have not retracted the warrants, but neither have they sent anyone to arrest us.
And we have told them that we will defend our rights and our freedoms, if they do, with all means at our disposal, including, but not limited to, the force of arms, if necessary.
The number is 520-333-4578, if you'd like to call in.
Discuss what you just heard for the last hour and twenty minutes.
That's 520-333-4578.
We'll be taking... Oh boy, I forgot to turn that off, didn't I?
Let me do that right now.
Okay.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hello?
Well, whoever it was didn't want to talk.
520-333-4578 is the number.
And we will, of course, take your call.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Well, it's another chicken plucker.
Nothing but chicken pluckers tonight.
520-333-4578.
That's two phone calls where the person who called would not speak.
I wonder why.
The number, once again, is 520-333-4578.
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This is Captain Glenn Miller speaking for the Army Air Force Training Command Orchestra
and we hope that you soldiers of the Allied Forces enjoy these V-discs that we're making
just for you.
Music.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hi, Bill.
It sounds like that maybe P.O.A.
is transmitting on top of the Yellow Cuts.
Music control music.
40s music on you.
Just came up about 3 minutes ago.
I'm playing that.
I'm sorry?
I was afraid it was P.O.A.
again.
No, I'm playing that.
I don't mind it if it's yours.
If it's them, I don't like it.
Well, what do you have to say about what you heard tonight?
Well, I didn't hear all of it.
I've heard some of your programs in the past and I've been listening to you for a number of years.
More of the government trying to overstep and run over the sovereign.
I don't know.
All we can do is fight them on every front.
Well, it's not the government.
That's a misconception.
Okay, true.
It's a private corporation acting under color.
No, it's not even a private corporation acting under color.
The government is the Constitution for the United States of America.
And all of the lawful elements and agencies of government under it, which are adhering to its limitations, restrictions, and is respecting the rights of the individuals and obeying the law.
What is destroying this country are people within government who have an agenda to destroy it and bring about a one-world totalitarian socialist state.
A humanitarian world.
Yeah.
With them as the elite who know best for everybody else.
Well, they think they do.
That's why they call it a humanitarian world.
It's secular humanism with the goal of eliminating all existing religions other than theirs.
And their religion is, man is God.
Right.
And there is no transcendental God who is above all of us.
Yeah, that's right.
And therefore, they don't have to answer to anything above themselves, so whoever is in power gets to decide what the rules are.
But it's true.
And that's dangerous.
That means everything then becomes subjective, and there no longer is any objective rules subservient to a higher source.
Right.
And so we have the rule of man and the rule of law.
Yeah.
How would you like to be ruled by your neighbor?
But how would you like to be ruled by your neighbor?
Not at all.
How about by your preacher?
No.
How about by your children?
Definitely not.
How about by Billy Graham?
No.
How about by Walt Disney?
Especially not.
No.
You see, if there's a God and we have rules dictated by God that we all must follow a
higher source which we must answer to and cannot disobey, then we're in pretty safe
hands.
But if all of that is flushed down the toilet and all of a sudden Joe Smith becomes the
king of the world and he gets to make the rules and we must follow whatever rules he
makes because he also gets to decide the punishment for breaking his rules, isn't that a little
scary?
Oh, certainly so.
We have a monarchy instead of a republic.
Scares me to death.
Oh, certainly.
What if Bill Clinton could really have the power that he wishes he had?
I believe that he can.
accomplish that through his executive orders.
Yeah, he's trying, isn't he?
Certainly.
Yeah, it's scary.
I mean, in my perspective, I don't think we've had a president that was good for the last
80 or 100 years as far as standing with the Constitution entirely.
Uh-huh.
So, we've been a dangerous territory for a long time.
Have you ever heard a group of people in your life who profess to believe in freedom ever
Sit down and discuss what that really means in your whole life.
Oh, I've discussed it with friends myself, but I'm sort of inclined toward the concept of do no harm to your neighbor and obey the laws of God.
Well, it all boils down to one thing, really.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Certainly.
Now, where does that come from?
Scripture, of course.
That's right.
It comes from religion.
Now I'm not saying that one religion is the only religion.
I'm not saying that other religions don't do good or can't do good.
What I'm saying is without a higher source that man must answer to, we're going to be in big trouble.
Isn't that what the Soviet Union was?
Of course.
Isn't that what Cuba is?
Certainly.
Yeah.
We're in deep trouble right now.
Yes we are.
And getting deeper all the time.
I don't know.
I mean, I don't know what you think on the whole issue of the... I need you to talk louder right off the bat.
I don't know what you think on the issue of what they're setting up for us as far as plans to eliminate the Red List, but I'm afraid it looks pretty close when they call the most recent operation Last Dance.
Well, that's kind of indicative and prophetic, isn't it?
Yeah.
I mean, what comes after the Last Dance, folks?
Not good, no.
We're on a narrow slice of time, I'm afraid.
Yes, we are.
It's getting narrower all the time.
I've been warning people about this for years.
I can't understand why they wait until the last minute before they begin to take it seriously and then complain that they don't have time to get ready.
I don't know.
to prepare for a long time. In fact, I was preparing even before that, because I looked
at America and said, this looks like the fall of the Roman Empire. We're a civilization
going into gross immorality, and it can't help but be judged at a point in time.
Going down the tubes on a roller coaster.
I don't know. I'm hoping that that vision of George Washington may be valid at a point
in time where, after some serious destruction, we finally can repent and turn back to God
and bring it back, recover the nation. Let's hope.
Well, I think we can.
There are enough good people who refuse to do nothing and will stand up and do whatever is necessary to restore constitutional Republican government.
Not engage in revolution, not engage in overthrow of the government to establish some other kind of system, but to lawfully restore constitutional Republican government.
Yes.
Well, we're in for a bumpy ride, but if we're doing the right thing, if we're fighting on the side of right against the side of evil, we can't lose no matter what.
If I die in that fight tomorrow morning, I have won and I am free.
That's correct.
They will lose.
And ultimately they will find out that their whole philosophy was wrong and they will condemn their souls to eternal damnation.
They will just cease to exist.
That's what happens.
They will die and cease to exist.
I just can't understand.
You know, I know a lot of people who say they believe in God, who think that when they die, that's it.
That can't be it.
It's impossible.
You see, folks, if all there was in the beginning was God, then everything in the universe that was created by God Had to come from one source and one source only because it was the only thing that existed, and that was God.
God cannot die.
You can only die if you reject God and cease to have that spark of God within you.
We are all, everything that exists, a piece of God.
God created everything that there is.
God was the only thing that existed to create it from.
Therefore, everything that exists in this entire universe, including people, are little pieces of God.
Man cannot become God because no part can ever become equal to or greater than the whole.
So all you people who think that you're going to become God someday, you are wrong.
It will never happen.
The best that you could hope for, which is the greatest thing that could ever happen, is that you return to the source from which you came.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hello, Bill.
How are you?
I'm fine.
How's the weather out in Arizona?
Well, it was just a beautiful day.
Sunshine and a little partly cloudy in the morning, but in the afternoon it cleared up and was really nice.
Well, you know it's nice back here in central Missouri.
I'm calling you from up here around Springfield, Missouri.
Uh-huh.
Bill, you know about every year down here south of Springfield, they have a big shindig.
The American Legion does at Branson, Missouri.
I'm sure you've heard of it.
Yes, I have.
And they go all out and they more or less honor World War II veterans, but they don't honor the Vietnam veterans or the Korean veterans like they should.
And my own personal opinion is I think that the boys who fought in Korea and Vietnam were really the heroes because they were fighting Communism.
But down here it seems to me like we never let this thing die between Germany, England and the United States.
You know what my opinion is?
I'm listening.
Who cares what they do?
Makes a difference when our young men get slighted and they mistreat them like they do even around the veteran hospitals and everything else.
Well you can't get slighted by, well you should never be slighted by the veteran's hospital because The fact that you served and were injured in the line of duty entitles you to benefits at the Veterans Hospital if you so desire to accept those benefits from Big Brother and give up a portion of your freedom, which is exactly what you do when you do those kinds of things.
You can't be slighted by the VFW unless somewhere in you there is a sense of insecurity that means you must be accepted by those clowns.
And that's what they are, clowns.
Why would you want to be or feel a need to be accepted by a bunch of clowns who are letting this country go down the tubes while they belong to an organization with an agenda which is self-serving and basically all they do is pay dues
and sit around and brag about how good they were in the war and don't do anything else
beyond that.
Well, Bill, I agree with you 100% and that's why I'm not in the Vietnam, in the veterans
or any of these organizations anymore and I don't contribute to them for the very reason
that you were talking about here tonight.
Well, good for you.
Now, one more question I want to ask you.
Have you ever went to your library and got a book?
It's called Our Glorious Century and it's put out by Reader's Digest.
No, I don't think I've ever seen it.
Well, it's a very interesting book and it's a silver-like book, but it says Our Glorious
Century and...
And it takes you from the turn of the century up to 1994, I believe.
It's just full of pictures and captions and everything in it.
I mean, it's very interesting.
But on page 77, it talks about the overthrow of Russia in 1917 by a gentleman by the name of Alexandria Krasinski.
And it shows their pictures and everything in here.
What this book don't tell you, that Alexandria Krasinski was head of all of the Masonic lodges in Russia at the time.
42 lodges he was in charge of.
Yes.
And they're the ones who overthrew Russia and set it up so the Bolsheviks could go in there and do the slaughtering of
the Christians.
Well, that's exactly correct.
And I certainly hope that some of your listeners and I will go down to their library and check this book out.
It's got many interesting pictures and stuff in there, especially on the investigations in 1952 on communism.
It'll really give you an enlightenment of what's taking place in this country.
And another thing, I don't know whether you've ever read it or not, it's a book by Bill Still, it's called On the Horns of the William T. Still?
I believe it.
I believe it is.
No, I haven't read that book.
I've read his other book, though.
The first one.
This book that he's put out, it's recent.
It's a pretty recent book.
I'd say five, six, seven years old.
But the point is, it talks about how, during this Lindley scam in the United States here, out in Montana, I believe, there was a big base out there, how the Washington, D.C.
was shipping all of this stuff through this big base into Russia.
But what this thing doesn't tell you is that all of these guys that were shipping this stuff through there, especially nuclear fission material and everything, these were all masons that were shipping it through there.
Sure.
Well, they're... So that's another book that a lot of patriotic Americans need to get and read.
Their belief.
And incidentally... Whoa, whoa, whoa!
Whoa!
This is my show.
OK.
You don't take it over.
When I want to say something, you're going to have to let me say it.
OK.
The belief of the Freemasons is that they cannot allow one side to totally win.
There must be always a conflict going on.
Correct.
And out of these conflicts comes a social synthesis, eventually.
Yes.
You notice that of the major powers in the world, there's never any major confrontation between those major powers, ever.
All the confrontations and all the wars are fought in third world nations, and there's never, ever any gain of territory by either side.
This was agreed to at Yalta by the three major powers then who were called the Allies fighting for the New World Order, for the United Nations.
In Russia, the reason that Stalin Outlawed all of the secret societies and Masonic lodges, is he knew exactly the source of revolution.
And he knew that's the only way he could protect his dictatorship.
And so he outlawed it.
Do you think he outlawed the Masonic order in Russia?
After all, he was amazing himself.
He absolutely outlawed it, because he knew the source of revolution.
He knew that if he would be overthrown, it would come from the secret lodges, from the secret societies.
That's the only place Where these seeds are sown, and where these things can foment and become a reality without discovery by the government and being able to do away with them.
The French Revolution was brought about by the same force.
The Pauper's Revolution, the Pauper's Revolt in England was brought about by the lodges of the secret societies.
And it's not just the Freemasonic Lodge.
It's all of the sum total of the secret societies wherein, at the highest levels of their degrees, resides that group known as the Illuminati, which is the source of all revolution in the world.
Yes, I agree with you, but I tell you what, if more people would take the time to go get some of these books and read them, Bill, we'd be a lot better off than maybe in this country.
We could make a change, but as long as people don't read and let someone else tell them, Well, that's true, but you have to understand that people are weak, and they're selfish, and they try to get away from doing as much work as possible.
And one thing that they consider to be work is reading.
So, if it's not on videotape or on television, most people will never see it, will never hear it, will never know it.
That's a reality.
It doesn't do us any good to sit around and say, well, if they did this, or if they did that, or they should, ought to.
The fact is, they don't, and they ain't gonna.
That's why we have our television project, and that's why we're going to give them what they will watch.
Television.
We're going to give them videotapes.
That's true.
I don't sit around.
I make people aware of this thing.
You know, one person can only do so much, and fortunately we have radio Well, I know there is a bunch of these dudes on here right now that's strictly leading them down the wrong path.
Yep, but you gotta understand, I'm only one person.
You're right.
And I got a family to feed, and I don't have time to do all this stuff, and I don't have the money!
Well, let's hope your fortune will rise a little bit.
Maybe things will change.
I think people are really waking up, though, because when you get out here and start talking, there's more people knows about what's going on than there used to, Bill.
Well, that's true.
But it's been nice talking to you.
Well, thank you for calling.
Thank you.
I appreciate your input.
520-333-4578.
Folks, I want you to call, and I want you to say whatever you want, but I want you to have a discourse with me and with the audience.
Don't call with the idea that you're going to take over the broadcast and just have a monologue that's going to last for ten minutes, because I'm not going to allow it.
Not ever.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Yes.
Good evening, Bill.
I caught part of your broadcast earlier.
I didn't catch the beginning.
Do you have your radio on?
Yes, sir.
I'll turn it off.
Sure.
And then call me back.
520-333-4578 is the number.
Y'all know better than that.
When I hear that echo, and the level of the caller is way down, and I start getting feedback in these earphones, I've got to let you go.
You know, if you can't reach over and turn it off instantly, I've got to let you go.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Good evening, Bill.
This is Bob from New Jersey.
Hi, Bob.
I've been fighting the good people at the IRS for three or four years now.
And I'm kind of holding my own.
Good for you.
It's a sad thing to say, but I believe that this country has turned its back on the good Lord, and we're going to go down no matter what happens.
Well, that's kind of a defeatist attitude, don't you think?
Well, not really, no.
It's just that what we need, basically, is a good kick in the ass.
Well... Or at least we went down in tubes.
I'll tell you, if that's what you need, come on up to my house and bend over, and I'll be more than happy to give it to you.
If that'll get things started, I'll do it.
Okay.
Now, could you imagine if the Founding Fathers thought like that?
You see, most of the people in the colonies were against the Revolution.
They were solidly on the side of King George.
Yes, I understand that, but I think a little bit you're misunderstanding me.
I want this country to survive.
I want it to become the greatest country in the world like it used to be.
Then we have to do it.
But we've got to stop glossing all these things over and doing a patchwork kind of repair on the thing and rebuild it like it needs to be rebuilt.
That's what I'm saying.
Well, you're absolutely correct.
But most people, you see, are afraid of that.
Scares them to death.
A lot of people want to watch TV and get a paycheck every weekend.
And I know where I work.
God forbid if anything threatens that paycheck.
No.
I know.
Yep.
Well, we must remember a couple of things.
Number one, there must never be a revolution.
to make sure that paycheck still comes in.
I know.
Because we're going through cutbacks now and it's like, whose throat can I cut next?
Yep.
And I can't live like that.
I just gotta put my hands in the good Lord and do the best I can.
Well, we must remember a couple of things.
Number one, there must never be a revolution.
It must be a restoration under the law.
Correct.
Number two, whoever fires the first shot loses.
Come on baby Probably also correct.
I know absolutely it is correct.
For instance, if they come up here and fire a shot to try to stop me from broadcasting or arrest my wife and I or to take our children away from us, We will be justified in doing whatever is necessary to defend ourselves against them.
However, if they come up here and I fire the first shot, or shoot one of them, guess what?
They are justified in doing whatever they have to do to eliminate me.
Now, I've put myself in a position where they can't do anything without the whole town seeing it.
And so, they will fire the first shot.
And once they do that, They will be so sorry.
They will pay a tremendous price, even if in the end they kill me and my whole family.
They will pay a price that will haunt them forever.
And that's what every American has to understand.
I understand that, but... We have a right to defend ourselves against tyranny in whatever form it takes.
And we must have the resolve to do it, and we must be willing to die for freedom.
That's true also, but God willing, even in your case, with something like that... I'm just using that as an example because everybody knows the situation I'm in.
Right, that's true.
I get very close.
I know the situation very well.
But what I'm trying to say is...
I don't think the people in our community would allow another Waco to happen.
Don't bet on it.
Don't bet on it.
People like me and you and others of like mind will not allow it to happen.
But most of the American sheeple will do nothing, will do nothing just like they did when Waco happened.
And when I was down there and Linda Thompson was down there and it was about four or five others of us of like mind We were the only ones in the nation who gave a damn.
The only ones!
I understand that.
And the rhetoric I heard from most people was just the opposite.
They should do something about it because they're... They're a bunch of religious wackos.
They're bad people and they should just go in there and waste them.
Yeah.
What I heard was they're just a bunch of religious wackos.
They deserve what they get.
That's basically what was going through the American people's minds, yes.
Yeah.
Boy, you know, it seems to me that the Mormon Church should have been the first ones down there on Moss.
I would think so, yes.
Because of the persecution that they went through.
They should have been defending the Branch Davidians, but they weren't.
You know what they were thinking of?
Well, if we go down and defend the Branch Davidians, then the government's going to come against us again.
And so, we won't do anything.
Just like all the rest of them.
I'm not picking on the Mormon Church.
I'm just using them as an example because they were really persecuted at one time.
Yes, they were.
They were driven from four or five different states.
And they should never have allowed it to happen to any other religion.
But they did.
Yes, they did because everyone's running scared.
A nation of cowards.
You know a funny thing?
When I first started doing battle with the IRS, I sat down.
I looked over all my documents.
I decided what I knew to be the truth.
I said a little prayer, and I said, Lord, can I do this?
And he said, go for it.
And I've been battling with him for four years, and it's like right now, I'm in your situation, basically.
They're on their side of the fence, so I'm on my side of the fence.
The only thing that matters is that we're doing the right thing under the law, and they are practicing tyranny, coercion, and extortion.
This is true.
Well, you have a good evening, Bill.
Thank you for your call.
I'll be talking to you.
520-333-4578 is the number.
I hope that everybody got a good feeling for what freedom is all about tonight by listening to the first part of this broadcast.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Hello, this is Chuck from Atlanta.
Hi Chuck, welcome.
Yeah, there's some of the people out there that really aren't paying attention to what's going on.
I did get that movie Anima Deception.
Yes sir.
The most interesting part was at the end where they showed the people living in a hangar because their houses were destroyed and they had nothing to do with what even happened.
That's right.
But they didn't have enough brains to have the guns and to fight.
That's right.
And they weren't just living in that hangar.
That hangar was a concentration camp where they took all those poor people whose homes and neighborhoods had been destroyed and were holding them prisoner in those hangars.
They could not leave.
Yes, I noticed that because in one section of the tape that I got, the only reason that it got on tape was because the people who were in the hangar realized and they surrounded the news people.
Got the military to push back.
And the people need to realize, if you yourself are not willing to fight and not willing to realize what the purpose of that gun is for, you're going to be in sitting in a refugee camp.
That's right.
Which I think is the most disgusting thing in the world.
Wasn't it significant that there were none of Noriega's soldiers in prison?
They were all civilians and all from the poorest neighborhoods of Panama, which the American military had totally destroyed, and they're holding these poor people prisoners, the ones that they didn't kill, prisoners in concentration camps.
Also, the people in the tape that I watched, they showed the military going around breaking doors down, looking for people in, I don't know what you'd say, like in society that were like teachers.
Yes.
Yes, and these were American troops.
Right, and that was our troops.
That was just a practice for what's coming here.
Right, and this is for those people out there who think that you're in a position that you're going to be saved.
They killed those people.
Yes, they did.
Because those people let them come in, allowed them to have the power that they had, and then when the military did come in, they had to kill them so that they didn't rally the people up.
Yes.
Absolutely correct.
I wish all these Marxist dodo-head college professors who think that they're going to have a good life when socialism takes over, I wish that they would study what happens when socialism really does take over.
Reporters, members of the press, the intelligentsia, college professors, doctors, lawyers, they're the first ones assassinated.
Correct.
Yes.
Everybody that got him his power, he killed!
Yeah.
Actually, assassination is a kind word.
It means that you at least have a chance.
They were executed is the correct term.
Yes.
That and the mass graves.
They had that on the tape that I watched.
The military was hiding mass graves.
They said, oh, we didn't do this.
And even that tape was what, maybe seven, eight years old?
And the government, our government, the people that rented, they kept saying democracy,
this and that, and that's just, oh, you know, six years ago when they really didn't notice
that they kept saying that in front of me, and then once it was brought up to my attention
to notice that's all they ever say, democracy.
That isn't even in the Declaration of Independence.
It isn't even in the Articles of Confederation or Constitution.
That word doesn't even exist in any of the argumentation.
That is absolutely correct.
And if you'll read Article 4, Section 4 of the Constitution for the United States of America, you'll see that the Constitution for the United States of America does not guarantee us a democracy.
It guarantees us a Republican form of government.
It's in the Constitution.
Read it.
You're right and it's like well they're just saying that.
No they know what they're doing.
They're playing games with you.
Yeah.
You know they didn't get to be in that position they're at without being stupid.
They just kind of you know they're playing games with us and you know when you really don't know because I didn't know and once I started noticing what to pay attention to then you just shake your head.
I've talked to some people at work about them black helicopters, and they says, well what are you worried about?
I've talked to guys in the Rex military, where I work, and they're like, I did that?
As you didn't tell them you flew over, scraping the shingles on people's houses with your skids, and you didn't think there was anything wrong with that, and they said no.
Well, they'll find out one day, and frankly, if they were very old, they're lying to you, because this is a new type of exercise that just started, really, in this decade.
Right, well they just started.
They're usually 20 years ex-military, and they've been working for where I work for 6-8 months, so they may have been some of the guys that did that.
Nope, not if they're 20 years.
Only young people fly those helicopters and only young people engage in combat.
Those older dudes sit in staff jobs somewhere.
Yes, you've got to figure that when you get older you should be in a different position than be flying around out there doing any of that wild stuff.
Yep.
Okay, I'll let you go and somebody else call.
Okay, thanks for calling.
Yeah, if you'll look who's participating in all these exercises, folks, you won't see any people 40, 50 years old.
You see a lot of young, gung-ho, Nazi stormtrooper types that are chosen because they won't question orders and they think they're doing the right thing.
Little do they know.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Miss Cooper.
Yes, sir.
I want to first thank you for your website and all the research you've been doing.
I really appreciate it.
It's very hard to get a lot of this information until you start getting it out there.
Yes, it is.
Comment on, or make a, give you an observation that I made regarding your speaking about all this objectivism.
I'm a scientist, actually I'm a student in a combined degree program, medical school and graduate school.
And one of the things that really turned me on to science was a professor who started
a class by saying, to really begin to even do science, first you have to realize one
thing, that part of what he's going to say and what he's going to be teaching us back
is in reality going to be wrong.
And he says the problem is that he didn't know what part of it was going to be wrong
and he didn't even know how much of it was going to be wrong.
But there are two important things implicit, or that implied, and what he said there, number
one is that there is an objective reality, an objective truth, that this is totally independent
of what any of us think.
That's correct.
Whether anyone understands it or ever will, the reality is going to be the same and the truth is going to be the same.
That's correct.
Number one, there's objective truth.
And number two, the best way to understand that and to get to that is through humility.
Well, I'm very limited in my ability to understand the truth.
And that's the fundamental epistemology of Christianity, basically.
That's true.
And we're out of time.
OK.
Thank you very much for coming.
Good luck.
And thank you an awful lot for your comments.
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