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Sept. 5, 1997 - Bill Cooper
01:00:54
Scott Stonehouse – Area 51
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Ladies and gentlemen, this is going to be quite an hour.
We're going to have our guest calling in here in just about another minute.
And when he does, we're going to take you on a trip to the desert of Nevada, where according to the United States government, the United States Air Force, the United States Navy, the United States Army, there is nothing there.
This is what they tell us.
However, I know different.
I have climbed to the top of a couple of mountains before they were grabbed.
Stolen from the public domain, and placed behind the National Security Act, and sealed off forever.
I have photographs of what's there.
I also have videotapes.
So when they tell me that there's nothing there, in the Broome Dry Lake area, known as Area 51, in the desert of Nevada, I know they're lying, big time, through their teeth, and they know it.
I also obtained a satellite photograph from the Russians a long time ago, which is published in my book, which shows all the facilities.
Now, folks, when I went to try to get a satellite photograph of the area from the United States government, I was told that there weren't any.
And if there were, I couldn't have it.
But I was able to get one from the Russians.
And so, who do you think they're keeping this secret from?
How are you doing there, Scott?
Hey, well, Bill, how are you doing?
I'm doing great.
I'm doing fine.
I'm going to turn this up just here a little bit so that the listening audience can hear you better.
Okay.
I'm trying to talk right into the phone.
You're doing fine.
I was just giving everybody a sort of a warm-up going into what we're going to be talking about.
Okay.
Folks, many, many years ago when I was attached to the Office of Naval Intelligence, and specifically I found out all of this information when I was on the intelligence briefing team of the Commander-in-Chief of the United States Pacific Fleet, who at that time was Admiral Bernard Clary.
I discovered that they were testing advanced technology in the desert in Nevada in a place called Area 51, also known as Groom Dry Lake or Dreamland.
This technology is so far beyond what the public could even perceive as existing that you're going to find it hard to believe even as we discuss it.
So hold on folks.
Scott Stonehouse is on the line.
He's our guest tonight.
He was with me and a whole bunch of other people out in the desert in Nevada over the Labor Day weekend and we're going to tell you what we saw.
Hold on.
Don't go away.
I'll be right back after this short Preparation, musical, theme, type, spookiness thing.
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Give me a place.
There's a way.
All the cake.
They can wait.
Galaxy.
Rush away from you.
Possibly the kill.
In the wind.
In the sand.
Through the clouds.
Through the fog.
I'll be there, holding board for you.
Ah, you're probably all wondering, what's that music all about?
Well, you know, wait a couple of years and you'll see if they use this technology to do what we believe that they may be planning to do.
They may present the world with a golden boy to sit on the throne as a sort of messiah.
In order to bring all the religions and all the nations face together in one world government and have their world utopian socialism.
That's what they want.
And we've found a lot of evidence for this, folks.
But we're not going to get into that tonight.
We'll do that on some other night, and we've done it many times in the past.
We're going to, right now, go on a trip.
Where are you from, Scott?
Tell our listeners a little bit about yourself.
Yeah, well, I'm originally from Wisconsin, and we moved down here to New Mexico.
Oh, I'd say 1977, so that's about 20 years ago.
And we live southeast of Albuquerque in the mountains, and a real beautiful place.
Tall pine trees.
We're about at 7,800 feet.
Air is clear.
It's a great place to live and to raise children.
So we're planning to stay here.
Well, that's great.
You're only 300 feet higher than New York.
Yeah, I guess so.
Yeah, you said you're about 7,500, yeah?
Yeah, uh-huh.
Yeah, all right.
The town around us is actually about 7,200 feet and we're about 300 feet above them on
this little mountain perched in the middle of a valley.
Yeah, when I drove through your area the other day on the way to Area 51, I noticed that
you're just really across the border and it looks just like New Mexico there.
Yeah.
It's not much different, you know.
You have a profession that, you showed me some of your work, photographs anyway, and
you are one of the best Spanish carpenters that I've ever seen, I think.
Well, thank you.
I try.
I get real challenges thrown my way.
I've done a lot of custom work for interior designers and decorators and they have me doing sometimes Louis XIV duplications and things like that.
A little more modern.
Things that carry stereos and televisions and speakers in there.
It's a lot of fun.
It's real challenging.
It's hard to make money at it, though.
That's, you know, like anything.
Well, that's a shame because good carpenters of any kind are hard to come by today.
And it would seem to me like they'd be in great demand.
But with all these weird fake materials and things, I can see where that might be the case.
Yeah, I wind up competing against factories.
I've bid jobs before and had people tell me, well I can buy that for $1,200 in a store.
And I said, gee, I've got to pay $1,500 for the materials alone.
But then I used real materials too.
That's true.
You used real hardwoods.
I doubt very seriously if he's telling the truth because from what I've seen in the photographs
of your work, nobody can buy that anywhere for any kind of a reasonable price.
Well, yeah, that kind of stuff.
The work I was showing you is real hard to find out there in a factory made store.
Yeah.
I'll put none of this in if you ask me.
I love it.
It's a good thing.
I like working with my hands.
It's a real good thing.
Yeah.
Scott, how did you hear about Area 51?
Boy, I'm not sure.
First of all, I've heard about it for a long time.
I may well have heard about it first on your show.
I'm not sure.
I have seen things on television, too.
It's got to be quite commonplace, at least among myself and my friends.
It's amazing.
I told people, my next door neighbor, for instance, I was going to Area 51, he said, what's that?
And that's a surprise.
I didn't think anybody didn't know what Area 51 was, because it's really pretty well known now on television, you know.
Well, there's still quite a few people who don't.
You started, how long did it take you to get there?
You drove with the pram?
Yeah, right.
We left, well, Pye Town, it took us about 13 hours.
And that's about an hour east of you.
So I think it was about 13 hours, you know, considering the time change.
When did you and your companion, driving companion, realize that you might be getting in to some real desolation?
Yeah, we knew that.
Of course, we sort of live in the desert, you know.
I wasn't aware.
I've never been in that area before.
I didn't realize quite how desolate it is.
It's incredibly desolate out there.
And that has its own totally unique beauty.
I just, I fell in love with the entire area.
You know, it is just gorgeous out there and I want to go back with my family.
It'd be a little more pleasurable.
When did you get there?
We got there, let's see, it was just after sunset on Friday night.
I remember that because we were watching this really strange little cloud in the sky.
I would say for about 20 or 30 miles just prior to arriving in Rachel at the Ailey Inn.
That was the cloud that I told you on Sunday when you were showing the film, the second part of the red light video.
I said, man, you just took that image right out of my mind.
That's exactly what we saw.
And then you explained to me what it was I had seen.
What you actually saw was a cloud with something hovering under it.
Right.
It looked like, and this was we figured about 20 miles away, it looked like a really thick, short little contrail or vapor trail.
If you were to hold your fingers out at arm's length, I would say it'd be about two inches long.
And it moved slightly and as it moved it seemed to get a little longer and then the length of it would dissipate and it'd just be the same little two inch real definite streak in the sky.
The sun was behind it and yet the face of it was glowing this sort of a sunset golden color and that puzzled me at first and the density of it puzzled me.
It seemed extremely dense, much more dense than a cloud or a vapor trail.
But after you saw my video and you saw what I had videotaped Out there, which is commonly called a cigar-shaped craft.
Right.
And then you saw the actual craft that they're testing above Area 51.
Then you knew what you saw, didn't you?
Exactly, yeah.
We were so tired and hot and hungry.
My eyeballs were sunburned from that setting sun driving through the desert, you know.
I guess my brain wasn't working too well.
I wasn't really sure what I was seeing.
But when I saw that film Sunday afternoon, I looked at my friend and he was staring at me already, and we both just, our eyes were wide open and that's when I said, that is exactly what we saw.
He actually turned pale when he saw the video tape.
He did, yeah, right, right.
It was like he'd seen a ghost or something.
Yeah, right, because he was kind of being a little skeptical, you know, he's going, ah, it's just a cloud, and I'm going, Dick, this is not a cloud here, you know, this is something different, I don't know what it is.
But, you know, that was after 12 hours of driving through the desert, too, so... But it was literally as if you pulled the image from my mind.
It was that close.
I mean, if I took a picture and held it next to that video, it would be identical to what you had felt that time.
And where else do you hide a mile-long ship like that?
Yeah, and these things are huge, aren't they?
Yeah, it was just tremendously huge.
Now, your friend didn't want to believe any of this, did he?
In fact, he was tremendously skeptical from the word go, and when he got there, he probably asked me more challenging questions than anybody.
And the look on his face for the first two days was, you know, this is just a big bunch of bologna you're putting me on.
That's actually a good kind of person to have along.
You want to have skeptical people.
Oh yeah.
When I'm looking up at the skies at night, and I generally just go out and look at the stars because they're so beautiful up here, you know, and I'm not really looking for anything in particular, or actually nothing in particular.
I'm trying to pick out constellations and planets and just having fun sitting on my front deck, you know.
And that's when I see things, and I'm very skeptical too.
I really try to prove that it's something other than what it might be, you know?
So I'm very skeptical, and there's just some things I can't dismiss.
I don't know what they are that I see.
And they're not clouds, they're not aircraft, they're nothing that I can understand.
So I try to apply that same kind of skepticism, you know, because I think that's a smart thing to do.
Sure, of course.
Well, actually you can.
kind of thing, UFOs, or you lose all your credibility, you know.
Sure, of course. Well, actually you can. You can call anything that you see in the sky
that you cannot identify a UFO, because UFO does not mean spacecraft.
It does not mean something from another world.
It does not mean there's extraterrestrial alien pilots.
It doesn't even mean that it's anything worthwhile.
It could be a plastic bag that's been blown up there by the wind.
But if you can't identify it, it's an unidentified flying object.
And what I try to do is identify these things.
And when I can't, then of course they are an unidentified object in the sky.
Now when you see a huge craft floating above a super top secret United States government test site, where anything that's in the air there can be legally and lawfully shot down, and will be, and it's not challenged or anything, then you know that that's part of the I'm thinking about where would you land something a mile in diameter?
It's inconceivable to me to even have a craft that size, but the best place to hide that is probably in plain view, which appeared to be what they were doing.
It was just sitting up there.
It was something that people would look at and think.
They would just dismiss it.
It's so far beyond the traditional belief structure of the average person, that if they saw something like that in the sky, they would be curious and would probably watch it for a little bit, but then would rationalize it away very quickly, because it challenges everything that they've ever been taught.
It challenges our entire belief system, yeah.
They can't suspend that belief so readily, you know.
Some people around the world are not...
Hiding behind belief systems.
And millions of people have seen these things.
Yeah, exactly right.
That can't be discounted either.
No, not when it only takes the testimony of two credible witnesses to sentence a man to the electric chair.
Exactly right.
I mentioned that one when Flight 800 went down and there were hundreds of witnesses that saw missiles streaking towards it.
And nobody wants to listen to almost 300 witnesses who saw a missile hit Flight 800.
Exactly.
And what, four of them were F-16 pilots, I think, combat-ready pilots.
And some helicopter pilots, and pilots of a military transport plane.
Exactly.
And these guys know what missiles look like.
Oh, yes.
Yeah, right.
Okay, let's get back to everything.
When you got there, what did you do?
Uh, we ate.
That was the first thing.
I was going to order a green chili cheeseburger but when I got there I thought that sounded a little heavy so I had a BLT.
And we just kind of relaxed and I would say within an hour we all gathered together as a group and I introduced myself to you and we were on the road Dairy 51 that night.
And where did we go?
And we went about 20 miles in from the mailbox at the 29.5 mile marker.
Well, didn't we stop at the mailbox first?
Yeah, we did stop there first, right.
Yeah, we stopped there.
We stopped there several times throughout the trip.
That was kind of a stopping point for us.
We stopped there for a while and talked about it.
Then we took off and headed to one of those two hills that was, well, it looked like two miles away for me, but I think you said it was about six or seven miles, perhaps, from those little hills that hide the actual area.
Yeah, at night the distances are deceptive.
Where we were at, the actual installation was a good five to seven miles beyond there.
Yeah, it looked closer to me, but mountains always do that to me, you know.
And what did you think when we started down these dirt roads and you were enveloped by this huge cloud of dust and you didn't know where we were going and you took several sharp turns and zigzagged around?
And once a... It was 70 miles an hour.
That's when I started calling you Wild Bill.
Yeah, you were all following me and I was doing about 70 miles an hour down these dirt roads.
I didn't want to waste your time.
No, that dust was incredible.
That was like... I have never seen anything more invasive than that dust.
I had the vent open rather than had it on recirculation.
So at one point, the interior of the car filled up with that dust.
I had to blow the windows down and my truck would probably never be the same.
But it was a gap.
It was just incredible.
Did you get a little confused and disoriented?
Uh, not really.
No, I've got a pretty good sense of direction and I try to maintain that and keep that, you know, especially out there.
I wanted to know where was left and I was looking for the North Star, so I had that all pretty well figured out.
When I was in the dust cloud, of course, there was no way I could tell where I was.
Yeah.
Most of the people on the way in got completely disoriented and had no idea where they were, how many roads we had gone down or... Yeah, well you had pointed out where we were going from the mailbox.
Right.
So I had a pretty good idea from there, but I got a little turned around because we drove down.
I think that night we drove down, took the road past the ranch.
Yes, that's correct.
And that real sharp left turn away from the ranch.
And that kind of turned me around a little bit.
But once I got out and could look up at the sky, I knew where we were.
And I spotted that one tall mountain that you can't climb anymore.
And that's a pretty good landmark to use.
Yeah, that's one of the mountains we used to climb up to photograph the actual Photograph and videotape the actual installation.
The ranch is the Steve Medlin Ranch and the mailbox at the 29.5 mile marker on Highway 375 is actually his mailbox.
Right.
And it's not the same mailbox that used to be there.
That's an armored box now.
Yeah, this box is armored because the old mailbox, people should not have done it, but it had been severely abused and people had shot holes in it.
I don't know why anybody would do anything like that, but they did.
Yeah.
And so I guess this was about the third mailbox.
Yeah, probably some people took that as a souvenir too.
Yeah, I think the original one may have been stolen.
Yeah, right.
You said there have been several since then.
This one looked like you'd have to have a nice sized truck and a big chain to get this one down.
Yeah, nobody's going to take this one.
Nobody's going to shoot a hole in it, either.
Yeah, there were some messages written on the top of it, too.
That was kind of funny, you know.
People get real angry, you know.
I know who you are and what you're doing, and there were some crazy messages there.
I wouldn't feel real comfortable if I was that guy, you know.
I wouldn't want to put myself in that position.
When we got out to where we were going, I actually took you up a hill and then you discovered
why I had cautioned everybody to get a four-wheel drive vehicle.
Yeah, right.
That was a fairly steep hill, yeah.
And it was a small hill, too.
You also cautioned us not to drive too far on the top of it because it dropped off pretty
well.
You can't go right over the cliff on the other side.
Right, right.
In the dark, you can't see that, you know.
So, yeah.
That's a good spot.
I actually like this spot across the street a little better and I'm not sure why.
But sometimes you have to go down a hill.
But some places feel a little better, you know.
I think everybody does.
Yeah, that was a great spot.
The parking was better, too, so we felt a little more comfortable there, you know.
And it was dark out there, wasn't it?
Oh, it was pitch black, yeah.
There was no moon and, uh... No street lights.
Oh, yeah.
I thought just the lights of Las Vegas a hundred miles away, that was just a little glow in the sky.
A big glow, really.
Yeah, but that's all that there was.
Oh, there was nothing else out there except the spotlights and the lights from the Range Rovers that were constantly on the move.
Yeah, who were those guys?
Those are the Wacken Hut security people.
We never really got to see the people but we saw the vehicles everywhere and they're quite a large and intimidating presence.
Yeah, they would watch us to see where we would go and then they would slowly but surely move their vehicles to close in around us.
Oh yeah, they were always in a position to triangulate on us.
Yes.
So they had our exact location and then they were shining their spotlights at us too.
I don't know.
trying to destroy the night vision. And that last night, those spotlights were really strange
because the reflection on the trucks appeared that they were, I'm trying to think how to
describe that. If you had a can of water and you hooked a small vibrator to the pan and
made the water vibrate, it looked like the lights were shining through something like
that. And I don't know, you may have been curled up with Crusher at that time. I'm not
sure if you saw that or not. No, I remember that. They were, they were...
Yeah, they were east of us.
Yeah, what kind of lights would do that?
Because this one light, this guy wasn't moving.
I could see that, but the reflection looked like it was shining through running water.
I have no idea.
All I know is it was bright and they would do it from time to time to try to destroy our night vision so that we couldn't see anything.
After that, my camera wouldn't work.
That's another strange thing.
Yeah, that's another strange one.
That's a good camera.
It's a Minolta.
And what did work, worked backwards from that point on.
Exactly.
Yeah, the light made it work backwards.
And when I took it in to the expert here that I use, he's a real good camera guy in town, he said weird about five times so I tried to understand where I was when it failed and boy his eyes lit up and he had a lot of questions for me.
So they're going to try to demagnetize it.
That's what we've all agreed.
I talked to you about it earlier.
Mm-hmm.
Sounded like it took a magnetic charge.
Yeah.
They have all kinds of ways out there to prevent you from taking pictures and destroy your night vision.
And they actually have some things in place that when they have it operating makes you feel nauseous.
Right.
Or panicky, you said.
Yeah.
All that stuff.
And then about the tones in the ear.
You can hear tones inside your head?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
We didn't experience that, but I've heard of that, read of that before, too.
Those are the silent weapons, you know.
I think they were trying to be very careful not to pop the bubble that Popular Mechanics has just recently sort of built around a lie.
Oh, that Area 51 has moved to the Colorado-Del Norte area.
Has it moved?
Yeah, yeah.
I've spent time up in Colorado there, and I've never seen much up there myself.
Has it moved, Scott?
Well, definitely not.
There was a glow of light that we could see.
A dim glow above those mountains, those small hills.
And we also saw searchlight one night moving around down there.
Yeah, and we also saw them testing the craft on Sunday night, which we'll get into later.
I don't want to get into that now.
Right, yeah, you mentioned that.
Yeah, exactly, right.
And a lot of shooting stars that I questioned because they had no tails at all.
They had no trails.
And I'm not used to seeing shooting stars that don't have a tail.
So I got a feeling some of those craft are coming down at a speed that makes them appear to be shooting stars, and they're all aiming right for the area.
So I was getting very suspicious.
You know what I was saying out there?
My statement was, I may not know much, but I suspect a lot, right?
Yeah, I remember that.
So that's where I stand on that one.
Well, for people who doubt that these craft can move that fast, I have seen a streak of light come up out of the test site and just go right up into space.
Just like a shooting star in reverse.
I have watched it.
In fact, I have it on video tape.
Yeah, and I think some of those shooting stars we watched, because so many of them, almost, I would say 95% of the ones I saw that night were vertical.
They came straight down and they aimed right for the sight.
And that's a little too much coincidence to swallow.
Yeah, but we can't prove it.
We don't know.
We can't know exactly.
Yeah, we don't know.
We don't know much, but we suspect a lot, right?
Well, we did see a lot of shooting stars.
Some of them suspicious, like you say, that came straight down right into the test site.
And had no tails.
And had no tails.
And others that did have tails and were just beautiful.
Well, some were definitely shooting stars, yeah.
I missed that real spectacular one you guys were talking about.
But I've seen those before.
Those are beautiful.
They change in different colors and things.
And the night sky was just incredible.
Oh, it was fantastic.
You know, I think I have a clearest, beautiful sky here, and I do, but it is nothing compared to the sky in the middle of that desert.
Well, that's only because the air is really clear.
It really is.
There's no pollution.
It's clear, and it really sucks the moisture out of you, too.
I kept that five-gallon jug of water in the back, and a lot of people were using it, so I was glad I had that along.
And there's no lights out there?
There's no light pollution of any kind?
Nothing at all, except those spotlights in the headlights of the Range Rovers that were everywhere.
That must be a boring job for those guys.
I imagine that it probably is.
They probably know every talk radio show that's on all night in the world.
Okay, hold on.
We're going to take a short break here and then we'll get back and we'll go into Saturday
and what we did then and then we'll go into Sunday and talk about what everybody's hanging
on the edge of their chair waiting to hear.
All right.
Out on those trees, I'm a-walkin' Out on those trees
you you
Outneath that sky.
Rivers of old.
It's still rushing back Tingles still soar
Tingles still soar you
We got to bed about 3.30 I thought.
And I think I was up by 8.30.
Oh, wait a minute.
I'm sorry.
It was 2.30 that we left.
Yeah, right.
2.30.
It was like 3 or 3.30 by the time we got back.
It was 2.30 when we left, and it was about 3.30.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, we got less sleep than that, because I know when the sun comes up, it's really cold in there.
We had to zip up all the, we took the pop-top camper, and we had to zip it all up except for the little breathing room.
It was very chilly at night and of course as soon as that sun came up there was no way we could sleep in that camper anymore.
A lot of people didn't believe a few of the things that I quote.
Number one, they really didn't understand the reason for all the four-wheel drives.
But we were very, very fortunate that most people obeyed my instructions and did rent a four-wheel drive.
We had an abundance of vehicles that were able to go where we wanted to go.
Right.
That ground was pretty soft.
That's when that one car got stuck.
That was real soft sand out there.
And that was the only non-four-wheel drive vehicle.
He made it out.
He was out within ten minutes.
That was no big deal.
Thanks to a little help from his friends.
Right, right.
I had those big mud tires so I bet I was throwing up a lot of stuff behind me.
Sorry for the people behind me.
Also, the fact that it gets cold in the desert at night.
Oh yeah, well sitting around gets cold anyway, but it was very cold and there was a wind, almost a constant wind blowing right at our faces and our ears would get cold and get it around the neck.
The next time I go I'm bringing ski clothes or Something really warm to wear.
Because it's like winter in the desert at night.
They couldn't believe it.
They thought I was crazy when I told them what to bring out to wear at night because it was 98 degrees when I told them that.
Yeah, it was.
In fact, the day we arrived, I think it was over 100 that day.
Yeah.
And it must have gotten down to, what, about 40, 45?
It got cold.
Yeah, yeah.
Everybody was out there all night long in a chair or standing up and trying to stamp your feet.
It really gets to you after a while.
I had my sleeping bag the second night.
You look like King Too-Fat's mummy, as a matter of fact.
I'm sorry?
You look like King Too-Fat's mummy.
Yeah, right.
And what did we do on Saturday?
Saturday?
Well, we watched Part 1, got up and had breakfast, and milled around, had a little free time.
I bought some postcards and wrote them out.
We didn't have a lot of free time.
And then in the afternoon we watched the part one of the red light video and had a real interesting, I think it was that day, well both days we had a real good conversation.
All kind of sat around chairs and on the floor and talked and had a real good time.
You talked a lot and everybody was always glad to listen to you.
My friend was more anxious to talk to you, I like to listen more.
Well he asked some pretty pointed questions which sort of guided the conversation.
And hopefully cast some illumination out there.
He will keep the thinking.
Yes he will.
That's good.
I like to think.
So we watched Project Red Light, which was actually the first of two videos that I made years ago.
About the, which included photographs and video tape footage of what they're testing out there.
Right.
That was actually the video that I first saw that you had made that introduced me to you in the first place.
And from then I went out and got the book right away and read Behold the Pale Horse.
And the rest of it they say is history.
Now the video tape actually acquainted everybody quite thoroughly with the whole area.
Right.
I sit there and the road's in and everything, yeah.
That's quite interesting.
Tell them what players look like in the night sky, what the stars look like, what the planets look like, what the security vehicle lights look like, so they wouldn't get confused with all of these things.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, a lot of people are from the city, and I don't think a lot of city people really see the stars so much, because there's so many lights in the city, and they're not aware of the difference in planets and stars and how to identify them.
Unless you've been around the military a bit, you're not real familiar with players either.
So I think that was a real good thing to do and real necessary and it helps to keep people from pointing at things that really are nothing, you know?
So we went out Saturday night and what did we see Saturday night?
Saturday night, let's see, we didn't have a sighting Saturday night.
No?
I think we went on the other hill that night.
That's correct.
And that was the night that the searchlight was shining around, I believe.
Yeah, we stayed at the mailbox a little bit and then we went up on another hill.
Yeah, right across the road there, yeah.
And during that day, was it that day or the next day that I took you up to the entrance of the test site?
I think that was Saturday afternoon, too, yeah.
Because Sunday we went to the Rattlesnake Mountain.
So that day, yeah, we went to the entrance to the road, and that was quite a place.
There was a very serious feeling around that point.
A little spooky, wasn't it?
It was quite spooky, yeah.
We could see electronic surveillance equipment I saw three, you know, powering stands.
Video cameras, sensors.
And then the Land Rover up on the hill watching us.
The guy got out of the truck and watched us.
You warned us not to take pictures there because the signs all say photography is prohibited and use of deadly force is authorized.
Now, tell the listening audience that the sign really said that.
Oh, it really said that, yeah.
And actually I can prove that because I did kind of squeeze off one shot before I got out of the truck.
I don't know if I should have bit that off of you or not.
We'll pretend we never heard of you.
Yeah, right.
But yeah, it's a very heavy place.
We stood out there.
There were two towers with small satellite dishes on top and some antenna coming out
the side.
And video cameras.
On another hill there was a tripod that one of the guys spotted and it had a big box on
top that was camouflaged.
But you could see it was obviously some sort of surveillance equipment.
Up in the distance was the tower on top of that one big mountain.
And behind that almost 180 degrees across was the Land Rover on top of the hill.
And we were being watched and it was the things that we couldn't see I think that made people
Yeah.
And in fact, I told you before we ever left the Millennium that when we got to the entrance to the test site, there would be a security vehicle there.
And there was.
In fact, I saw some show on TV, and it showed the same type of vehicle parked in exactly the same spot.
So I had a lot of feelings of déjà vu when I was out there, you know.
And okay, so we didn't see anything Saturday night except the beautiful sky and some more meteor showers.
Actually, we didn't see anything.
We didn't see really any aircraft.
We didn't see a thing, and it may have been because of Labor Day weekend, but being right there by Nellis Air Force Base, I'm right here by Kirtland Air Force Base, and there's always jets flying around.
They stop and refuel, they take off, they're always doing things, and I really, being that close to Dallas, I expected to see more craft around, and it was unusually quiet, I think.
Yeah, well, you know, sometimes they take holidays, too.
Yeah, right, right.
That's what we attributed it to, yeah.
And then Sunday, what happened?
We went back, went to sleep, and then got up, ate breakfast again, and then... They usually were, what, three to four hours of sleep that night, and I had a big breakfast.
I was really getting into the food there.
They have great food.
And then we had about an hour or so and we got together again and took a ride over to Rattlesnake Mountain and that was the gas.
It's actually called Crystal Mountain.
Oh, it is Crystal Mountain.
Okay, I had heard Rattlesnake.
Well, Joe likes to call it Rattlesnake Mountain because he's found some pretty humongous rattlesnakes out there.
Yeah, not bad.
And of course, we had to have a little rattlesnake briefing to make sure that everybody knew how to conduct themselves in rattlesnake country.
Yeah, I'm glad I had my high boots on.
Yeah, but what was out there?
Why'd we go out there?
I mean, it took us forever to get there.
I mean, it's way out in the buoys.
I didn't see a trip anomaly on the way in.
I think we drove in about 20 miles.
Yeah.
That was through dirt roads and four-wheel drive roads.
It wasn't too bad.
I didn't really go into four-wheel drive until we started climbing hills.
I just don't like to make my tires spin.
That wears them out.
So I've got shift on the fly, four-wheel.
Every time we hit a little hill, I would pop it into four-wheel so I wouldn't spit rocks to the cars behind me.
But these weren't even roads we were on.
These were just trails.
These were tire ruts.
Yeah, nothing more than that.
Yeah, they weren't roads at all.
And what did we see?
What was there?
Ah, lots of crystals.
It was just incredible.
The ground, it was just littered with crystals.
I mean, it's the most incredible place I've ever been.
It was just beautiful.
I've got a lot of pictures from there.
Quartz crystals everywhere.
Quartz crystals, clear ones, rose crystals, just all kinds of things.
Different colors.
Just amazing.
And next time I go, I'd like to bring a little, you know, a little pick hammer.
Did you get some nice ones?
Oh, I got a whole bunch of them, yeah.
We put big ones out around the plants and on the bookshelves.
And my wife took a lot of the little, just perfect little crystals that I found and filled the whole cereal bowl, little black cereal bowl we have.
It looks really pretty.
When you have so many of them, it's just amazing what you do with them.
When you go to a crystal shop and you see one of these little bitty things cost you
$20.
Right, I was throwing things like that away because I figured there's better stuff out
there.
It's just amazing.
And everybody got a big bag full of quartz crystals.
Right, everybody did.
Yeah, some of the kids really enjoyed it out there.
They were coming up and showing me their big crystals and everything and everybody had
a ball.
And then there was a big crystal shop.
And then something else of merit happened.
We all took our pistols because we were going to shoot.
Right, right.
Yeah, I just got my pistol, so I'm not good with it yet.
I don't think I hit anything, but everybody else was firing off.
Of course, I had a famous little, I got to know your dog real well at that time.
Well, tell everybody about Crusher.
Oh yeah, that's funny.
Well, I had a show and I just picked up a Ruger Vontaro, just a single action 6-gun .45.
It's a beautiful little gun.
I got a real good deal on it at the gun show and I wanted to show it to Bill.
assuming he was done. So without thinking, which I will never do again, Crusher was on
a leash, thank God, right next to you and I walked right up the hill, not slowly, I
kind of just walked right up to him quickly and pulled the gun out of my belt and next
thing I knew I had a Rottweiler in my face, actually in my guts, you know. And I moved
faster than I have ever moved in my life and you grabbed that leash and between the two
of us he got he stuck a tooth through my t-shirt that was it.
But my t-shirt was laying on my stomach when he grabbed it.
Boy, he was a quick dog.
And he didn't bark either, did he?
No, not at all.
He's been trained to react to certain things and a gun is one thing.
You pull a gun on me...
Sitting there like a regular dog, you know.
Then I really didn't even think a thing of it.
Just walked up, pulled out my gun.
Next thing I knew, there was a Rottweiler coming at me.
Well, you got a story to tell.
I have a famous t-shirt.
You pulled a gun on Crusher and lived to tell about it.
I feel good.
I moved faster than he did.
But had you not grabbed that leash, that movement wouldn't have done much for me.
Well actually, you didn't really move faster than he did, but you did move backwards really good.
But whenever people are around, because of what Crusher is trained to do, I always am holding the end of the leash, of course, in the right hand.
And in my left hand, I have it sort of choked up near his, as close to his neck as my hand can get.
So he couldn't go really far.
Because, you know, people don't think.
And he's trained to react to a perceived threat.
So if somebody just, you know, raises their arm real fast, you know, he could think... And he had a gun in it.
Yeah.
I felt his nose hit my stomach.
Oh, he was definitely serious.
Right there at me.
I just took a quick step back real fast.
Everything was fine.
You told me to sit down and that was fine and then I handed you my gun.
You know, that was that.
That was the end of it.
But it took me a few minutes to get my hands to stop shaking.
Yeah, that's true.
It hits you pretty good at a time like that.
It's pretty scary, huh?
Yeah, yeah.
Very impressive dog.
Very, very impressive.
Beautiful animal.
Just solid muscle.
He reminds you of a, oh, the kind of muscle you see on bobcats or tigers or just rippling with muscle.
Beautiful, beautiful creature.
Yeah.
Did you see some of his toys?
Yeah, he loves to eat rocks and play with rocks.
And he played with big rocks all the time we were out there all three days, didn't he?
Yeah, he was digging them up and playing with them.
He's just a big puppy.
That's all he needs to do what he needs to do.
And then he doesn't look like a big puppy anymore.
No, not at all.
Very serious, yeah.
Scott, that night we went back out.
And we went to the mailbox first and we stayed at the mailbox until about one o'clock in the morning.
Right, right.
And it was there that we finally saw them.
You and I were the first ones to see it.
Right, yeah.
You and Annie, as I recall, I had been talking to Pooh and showing her some different constellations and things.
And you and Annie were kind of leaning on the mailbox and I was just a few feet away leaning on the side of your truck.
I'm not sure what poo was.
I think she was pooping out at that time.
She was getting kind of tired.
I saw two stars, what appeared to be stars at first, on the horizon.
One of them was flickering different colors and different lights.
I thought maybe that was a star because it was very low on the horizon and they'll do that.
The other one was more orange.
And so I watched that for, I don't know, about a minute or so, and I said, looked over at you, and I said, Bill, I'm seeing two stars that I don't think were there before.
You had your binoculars up, and you were looking at them, and you said, well, those aren't stars.
I think the one on the left was, or the one on the right, I forget now.
The one on the right was the star.
That was it, yeah, right.
I had actually been watching these things for several minutes.
In fact, I saw two crafts Uh, actually probably the same craft, but I saw it come up above the mountain.
And take a couple of right turns and then go back down and then come back up again and I had sent Annie to get the binoculars because I knew what it was but I had to verify it before I told everybody to watch it because if I'm the leader of the group I can't tell you, you know, there it is and then find out it's not, you know.
You don't want to lose that kind of credibility.
No, I can't play that way.
It appeared, visually it appeared to be a magnitude about four or five times that of Jupiter, and Jupiter is the largest planet or object in the sky, you know, that night.
And it was exceedingly bright.
Yeah, flashing and pulsing.
It was a really brilliant glow, would be the way I described it.
The whole craft, in fact, glows.
Like it's some kind of a giant light bulb.
Exactly, right, right.
It has an aura around it.
It was hard to tell what was solid and what was light.
It was hard to distinguish that.
And Dick said that he thought that as he looked through it, he had those ten power binoculars, he said he thought the center of it looked more silver.
But that's just what he said.
I wasn't able to see it that way.
And I realized right about that time I needed to grab my binoculars.
Of course, I had left those in the truck.
And I will be much more prepared next time than anything.
And so I was walking backwards to the truck and for about three seconds I lost it.
You know, I reached in and people's heads were in the way.
Then I got back and I looked at it in the binoculars and it was quite an impressive thing.
I think there were two of them.
Actually, because at one point it went down and I'm not sure that it was the same one that came up in a different place.
And a week or two later I mentioned that if we had been on those hills, you know, I was trying to figure out where it was in the sky and it was behind that one taller hill that you can't climb anymore.
And I don't think we would have seen it had we driven in further.
As a matter of fact, I was just going to say that later I triangulated from where we were and where we saw it.
It was north in the valley behind the mountain range.
Behind the highest peaks, trying to escape observation.
From the hills that we had been on the two nights before.
We would never have seen it.
Yeah, right.
We never would have seen it, so I'm glad we were there.
Yeah.
Yeah, that was, we were what, about 25 miles probably?
About 20 miles from where it was.
25 miles from the area or from the hills?
From where it was actually flying.
Yeah, right.
And to see something that size at that distance, I'm used to seeing 747s flying overhead at It was huge, wasn't it?
It was huge, yeah.
I really had trouble figuring, but it was much bigger than a 747.
the object at that distance. To see an object this size at 20 miles, it's hard to believe,
really. It was huge, wasn't it? It was huge, yeah. I really had trouble figuring, but it
was much bigger than a 747. Now one of the things that startled everybody, and I mean
literally startled them, is this thing would rise up above the mountains and then stop
and hover. Right. And this was in fact on the western horizon where the stars were
Right.
You could see the other stars going down there.
And so it would hover, and then it would start back down, and then instantaneously, without making any turn or anything else, reverse its course at the same speed, 180 degrees, and go back up and hover again.
Exactly, yeah.
There was absolutely no doubt.
No way that any aerial craft that's known to the public mind is capable of doing such a thing.
Exactly.
Nothing that I've ever heard of, yeah.
Yeah, the only possible other explanation would be a holographic thing.
That's true.
It is possible, and I've made this statement on many occasions on this broadcast.
It is possible.
That these things are holographic projections.
I told you about that satellite that I had been watching at home here about a year and a half ago.
Do you remember that story I told you?
Yes.
About a satellite that was crossing from south to north along the eastern horizon.
And I noticed, like five or six nights in a row, that just behind the satellite an orange shooting star would come down.
Same trajectory every night.
After five or six nights, you begin to think this is not a coincidence.
And each night, it seemed to get a little bit closer to the satellite.
And I thought perhaps I was watching something from the Star Wars program.
And one night, my oldest son came home from a date, and he came out and sat on the porch with me, and we were talking.
And I told him about this, and I said, well, watch now.
This is about the time.
And all of a sudden, we saw this satellite flying along, and we were watching it.
And while we were watching it, it suddenly lit up.
And it looked like, well, again, arm's length, if I were to hold Captain's bars at arm's length, if they looked about, these two brilliant red lights appeared where the satellite was, about the size of two Captain's bars, two rectangles about that size.
And that lasted for about ten seconds, and then they dimmed out over about three seconds, and then you could see the satellite again, and it just kept on moving across the sky.
And my son looked at me, and I looked at him, and I said, what did you see?
And he described exactly what I saw.
And I confirmed that.
And we just kind of shook our heads and didn't know what to make of that.
But that must have been a holographic image of some sort.
I have no idea.
Like I say, I'm not too far from San Diego National Labs, so who knows what they're doing.
But that was an amazing thing, too.
We know that they have technology far beyond what... Oh, yeah.
No doubt about it.
Everybody in our party saw This craft being test flown on Sunday night.
Well, except for one guy.
Who was that?
That was the guy, gosh, I can't remember his name.
When I asked everybody, I didn't get any negative... Later on, what he said was, we were telling him about it, he said, well, okay, I'll take your word for it.
And he very selfishly... Was he sleeping in the car?
Was he sleeping in the car?
I know who that is.
Yeah, you know, I can't remember his name.
There are a lot of people there and I didn't get everybody's name memorized.
I know his name.
I'm not going to embarrass him on the air.
Yeah, right.
He was a real nice guy and I think he felt really bad.
Yeah, I bet he did.
Yeah, I bet.
I wasn't aware.
I thought everybody was outside because it looked like that.
There was a bus and everybody was standing there looking.
I think that's a duplicate of what happened last year.
Same thing happened last year.
I told everybody, if you go to sleep, you're going to miss it if it flies, and I don't know if it's going to fly or not.
Right.
And nobody ever knows... Well, if you go to sleep, it'll fly when you're sleeping.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But last year, one guy got sleepy and went and slept in his camper.
He had brought a camper, and he was just totally devastated when he found out that he had missed it.
Yeah.
Right.
That was really a shame.
Did anybody get pictures of it?
Yes.
Well, we don't know.
We know that some photographs were taken with some good cameras with good telephoto lenses.
Right.
But we don't know if it's going to turn out yet.
Yeah, right.
All of my pictures turned out, but after that sighting was when I started having camera problems.
So I was curious.
And I'm also curious, too, if anybody had any video equipment there.
My camera was affected by a magnetic field.
I assume that would affect their video equipment or their video tape.
I have no idea.
So maybe we can find out about that, too.
So I hope my camera's okay.
So everybody but one saw it this time.
Exactly.
Yeah, there must have been 20 people that saw it.
Because there were 21 of us all together, I think.
We're thirds.
Not counting the children, yeah, I think you're right.
Yeah, right.
Quite a few children.
Everybody saw it, though.
Quite a few children this year.
Yeah, right.
A lot of nice kids.
Everybody there was so nice.
Well, what did you think about the trip?
I loved it.
I had a wonderful time.
You know, going there, I thought, gee, I'm not going to know anybody.
But you know, when you get there, nobody knows anybody.
And everybody's kind of in the same boat.
And I was really looking forward to meeting you.
I've listened to you for so many years and really wanted to shake your hand.
And I, of course, did that right away.
And I just had a great time.
I loved all the people.
They were all just really nice, nice, friendly people.
And just a totally enjoyable trip.
You know, everything about it was fun.
Hanging out in the alien was fun, and seeing all the people coming from all over the country, all over the world, in fact.
I never did run into that group of Germans.
They ran into the cow on the way.
Yeah, it's open range.
But it's quite an interesting place, and it's a place I want to go back to.
There's something about that area.
It's just this desolate beauty.
The mountains were just exquisite, the hills and the Joshua trees.
It's another world out there.
It's a really beautiful place.
Even the other sighting was exciting, and going out there was exciting, but all of it was really enjoyable, you know?
I just enjoyed every bit of the trip.
Now, along about Sunday afternoon, everybody started calling me Wild Bill.
What was that all about?
Well, I started that.
Well, I actually started that when we were racing across the lake bed.
And that was fun, that dry lake bed.
When we raced across the dry lake bed?
Yeah, we were doing 100 miles an hour and just having a good time out there.
Wild Bill Hickok has always been one of my heroes.
So I thought that seemed pretty appropriate.
I meant that in the most complimentary way too, I want you to know.
So I came back and started calling you Wild Bill and I guess that kind of caught on.
You may have a new nickname, but it's a good one.
You and I actually took the lead out there.
Yeah, you did, right.
And I was swinging way out, you know, in a big circle around you, because you could drive anywhere on this lake bed.
It was just an amazing thing.
That was really fun that afternoon on Crystal Mountain.
Yeah.
And to drive back there, that was fun.
I want to do that again, too.
That's something I've always wanted to do, is drive on a lake bed like that, you know.
Did you get to know Pat and Joe Travis at all?
Yeah, we got to know Pat and Joe pretty well, actually.
They were really neat people.
Joe, of course, led us out there and had a couple beers with Joe, and we fired a gun drop, and he's a real nice guy.
Isn't he great?
Pat's a really super lady and a great cook, and actually everybody there was.
The waitresses are great, and the two waiters kind of blew my mind there that first night.
Oh, the twins?
Huh?
The twins?
Yeah, and Rami's brother.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, see, I didn't know they were twins.
And at night, when I saw the one guy, he had no hair on his body whatsoever, and he looked kind of alien himself, you know.
And then in the morning, when I had breakfast, he had a ponytail and a beard.
And I really didn't know what to think of that, you know.
And he told me, well, that's my twin brother.
But their voices were exactly the same, too.
I thought, I wonder what these guys, you know, and then I saw them together of course and they were just twin brothers but that was kind of fun too, you know.
I thought about a Stephen King thing or something there, you know.
But they were, everybody there was neat.
Pat and Joe were really nice and helpful and sold me some stamps and just said, give me your postcards and note cards that you're sending and I'll mail them for you.
Real, real nice friendly people.
That's a great, neat place to visit.
Well, you know, we're out of time.
So I want to thank you, Scott, for being a guest tonight and for your recounting of our trip and the sighting.
And you know, we're batting a thousand now for a yearly outing to Groomed Dry Lake when I take people.
I'm not batting a thousand when I go by myself because I've sat out there sometimes for two, three weeks and not seen a thing.
So we've been tremendously lucky.
And I hope that the next time we go, we're just as lucky.
Thank you so much!
I'll give you a call later in the week, too, because we've got to build some bookshelves together, you and I. That's right.
Yeah, so I'll get ahold of you during the week sometime.
We'll set that up, too.
Okay, take care, Scott.
You bet, thanks, Bill.
And good night, folks, and God bless each and every single one of you.
And don't forget to keep your eyes on the skies because if you really want to know what's
going on in the sky, you've got to get them off the ground.
And I'm going to play you a little bit of it.
So, I'm going to play you a little bit of it.
So, I'm going to play you a little bit of it.
And I'm going to play you a little bit of it.
Remember, folks, if you're going to be in the sky, you've got to be in the sky.
Remember, folks, don't buy into this extraterrestrial, alien deception that they're trying to hoist
on the world.
You see, if they can create an external threat to this Earth, it would be a real big incentive to do away with nation-states and bring about their world-utopian government.
And that's really what it's all about.
What we saw fly in Area 51 was not from any other world.
that belongs to the United States government, was developed by the United States government,
and is flown by the United States government.
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