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Sept. 18, 1996 - Bill Cooper

01:28:09

UFOs

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	Oh, yeah.
	We know that they're listening, including the government.
	We're right close to Holloman Air Force Base and White Sands Missile Range.
	Oh, great.
	Does your broadcast cover those installations?
	It reaches out to where they can do some special ops training in the Red Rio area of the missile range.
	Uh-huh.
	Well, wonderful.
	Well, that's great.
	If we could just get some more people down there to cover the whole thing.
	What I would like to do is make sure every military person in this whole country gets to hear the truth about what's going on so they stop their support of the treasonous activities and begin to honor their oath to protect and defend the Constitution for the United States of America against all enemies foreign, and here's the key words, and domestic.
	Yes, sir.
	I've brought that up before.
	We're also trying to get out the station down in Holloman.
	Well that's ok.
	I'm sorry to disrupt your programming about your UFO.
	Well that's okay.
	If we hadn't caught it here you would have caught it for us and then we could have corrected
	it.
	Later in the broadcast we would have just been gone off the air because the batteries
	were so low and this key piece of equipment that it would have just wiped us out.
	So, it's a good thing.
	That was the reason I was calling in early, trying to alert you to it.
	Well, great.
	Fortunately, Annie was on the ball and alerted me to it a little bit earlier than that.
	You're down by Holloman Air Force Base.
	What do you know about UFOs?
	Well, I know I've seen an object or two that I couldn't understand what was, and I'm well versed in observing aerial phenomena.
	What was it that you saw?
	One time it was two white objects that separated from one.
	At the same time, at about 5,000 to 6,000 feet, there was two F-15s flying nearby, and they separated and had a trailer between them.
	What do you mean by trailer?
	Well, some sort of a connection to them and then they separated completely out.
	They seem to be subliminal.
	Okay, it's kind of like two rubber bands being stretched apart and then they break?
	Right.
	Okay.
	And then I was out trying to get my binoculars.
	They disappeared.
	Well, you know, that's pretty classic sighting.
	I mean, I've heard that description many, many times.
	Several emerging from one seem to be connected for a while, for a very short time as they're parting each other, and then that connection just sort of Well, I'm glad to hear that.
	stretches thin and then moves in into one or the other.
	And it's a well-known classic type of sighting that nobody's ever explained, at least not
	to me.
	Well I'm glad to hear that.
	That's the first time I've even had a good explanation of that this has occurred before.
	Many, many times.
	Many people have seen exactly what you've seen.
	Sometimes it's two coming out of one.
	Sometimes it's three or four coming out of one.
	Sometimes the one just seems to fragment into several and there is no longer a one but a whole bunch.
	Yeah, that's a classic UFO sighting.
	And I've seen a very large aircraft traveling very slow.
	Yeah.
	Most of these sightings, by the way, occur over or around well-known military test sites.
	Yeah, we've had quite a bit of stuff here.
	I'd say 25 to 30 miles into the range.
	You're what they call a mockingbird gap.
	Yeah.
	And...
	Most of these sightings, by the way, occur over or around well-known military test sites.
	We've had quite a bit of stuff here.
	We actually had an overflight here just recently by a Soviet helicopter.
	There were 27 helic.
	I got some real good photographs of it.
	I'll send you some photographs and explain it all and we'll put it in Veritas.
	Well, it's going to be in the next issue of a competitor's magazine.
	Are you talking about Media Bypass?
	No, sir.
	Free American.
	Oh, I never heard of that.
	The Free American, Clay Douglas?
	Never heard of it.
	It's a more or less local patriot news magazine.
	Well, send us some pictures and we'll put it in a nationwide newspaper.
	Well, we'll certainly do that.
	Send you some color photographs.
	We had a confrontation with the Air Force over it.
	Really?
	And they sent out OSI agents and an FBI agent.
	And what was their purpose?
	Well, they seemed to be upset because I'd fired a distress flare one night when they were Too many helicopters coming over my area.
	I'm unlighted here.
	Well, good for you!
	It's about time somebody started putting the fear of God into these people who have been terrorizing Americans by flying below 500 feet and hovering just above rooftops and sitting down in people's yards.
	I am happy to hear it.
	You, sir, are to be commended.
	They were very upset about it.
	They claimed that I had said that I'd fired it directly at them, which of course is impossible because they were unlighted.
	And when the flare went up, it went right between two of them.
	Oh, they were unlighted.
	So they were in direct violation of the law over civilian population areas where the law says they must be lighted and they must be flying over 500 feet.
	Well, in this particular area, I meant south of Carrizosa, 16 miles south.
	Uh huh.
	to the railroad track and I'm in a civilian fly zone.
	And they have a 500 foot unit no fly over me from previous problems with the German
	Air Force, these tornadoes flying at three top levels.
	Yeah, all in violation of the law.
	Yes sir.
	And their response to that was of course to bring an FBI agent with them, unannounced.
	Tell the FBI agent to go screw himself.
	That's exactly what you should tell him.
	Well, we had set this up instead of at the Sheriff's Department here in Lincoln County.
	We moved the location to my... In fact, what you should be doing is grilling the FBI agent as to why he's not prosecuting these people who are in blatant violation of the law.
	Well, that's part of the process.
	It may proceed from this point on.
	Good.
	You know, I like you more and more.
	You just keep on talking.
	This OSI agent apparently had said to the FBI over in Roswell the misinformation that I had specifically said that I had fired at the helicopters.
	And that conversation was taped, so I know I did not.
	And at the table whenever everybody arrived with the sheriff, we had the Lincoln County Sheriff James McSwain, Chief Deputy out there, and another deputy in the chaplain.
	Yeah, and about a half a militia unit.
	And these were UFOs, weren't they?
	Yes, sir, they were to my... You couldn't see them?
	And this helix, by the way, at night looks like a UFO because of the double rotors.
	Uh-huh.
	Any light appearing against the rotors makes it look like a flying disc.
	Yeah.
	And, of course, I spotlighted him with a million candle power floodlight, and they don't like that.
	Oh, I really like you.
	I just like... We're going to be great friends.
	Well, actually, I've been trying to get in and talk to you about this.
	I love people with guts, and I love people who will not be intimidated by these federal Nazi jackbooted scum thugs.
	Well, we explained to them that our constitutional rights are non-negotiable.
	That's right.
	And that we will defend them at whatever cost.
	That's great.
	That's wonderful.
	And that's on tape.
	We videoed it and everything.
	Well, sir, you have gained a preeminence very high in my esteem and I want to get to know you better.
	Well, my name is Jerry Carroll.
	Okay, Jerry.
	Write me a letter, will you?
	I'll send you some pictures of those helicopters and I'll get in contact with you and maybe we'll do a big story on this for Veritas.
	Well, great.
	I'm really appreciative of what you've been doing and I wanted to let you know what we're doing.
	We certainly do support you, sir.
	Well, thank you.
	We support you, too, when you stand up and do what you've been doing.
	More people should be doing it.
	has stopped cowering in fear when these Nazi jackbooted thug intimidators fly around the
	country and beat down doors and rip up homes and tear apart families and point guns at
	people from helicopter doors at point blank range in the middle of the night.
	It's just absolutely amazing that Americans are taking this step.
	Well, we explain to them in non-certain terms, you fly over us pointing a rifle, a weapon
	of any sort or firing blanks and the proverbial brown stuff will hit the fan.
	Fantastic.
	I love it.
	That's exactly what should happen.
	Nobody should ever allow them to get away with what they're doing.
	And our sheriff and our chief deputy was here to explain to the FBI and the OSI that this is not just my problem.
	That this was an entire country wide and county wide problem.
	And that there have been actually people firing at them.
	Wow.
	Not me.
	You're not my group.
	But I've been to other areas of the mountain.
	This is not a healthy place for people to be irritating other folks.
	Well, let me tell you something.
	If all of a sudden in the middle of the night we're awakened by this unbelievable noise and I run outside and of course when I hear something like that I would always be armed and I run outside and I look up and I see a helicopter with somebody in the door pointing a weapon at me, I'm going to shoot at them.
	I don't care who they are.
	I'm not going to stop to figure out who they belong to.
	The man is pointing a deadly weapon at me and I'm not going to give him a chance to pull the trigger.
	I'm going to shoot him.
	That's what I explained to an FBI agent about these armed tornadoes.
	Yeah, and if he's firing, whether they're blanks or bullets, I don't know that.
	How am I supposed to know it?
	That's right.
	I'm going to protect my property and my life and the lives of my family.
	It's the perception that you have of defending yourself.
	That's right.
	And if it's a reasonable perception, then whatever you're doing is in self-defense.
	You better believe it.
	If somebody points a gun at you, you know, that is always grounds to protect yourself and do whatever is necessary to make sure that they don't pull that trigger.
	Well, that was my interpretation of the law.
	Well, that is the law, and you're absolutely right, and I'll support you in that, always, to the hill.
	This FBI agent was also an attorney.
	Well, they all are.
	Let me take that back.
	I don't know if they all are attorneys today, but I know there used to be a time when you couldn't be an FBI agent unless you had gone to law school.
	Well, I had an uncle that was in the FBI and he was a certified public accountant, DPA.
	I don't know.
	That was years ago.
	I guess they may have taken some of those guys too in order to be able to count the beans to prosecute somebody that who knows.
	But I remember one of the requirements was law school.
	I remember that very well.
	Yeah, the FBI used to be my hero.
	I remember when I was a little boy, it was J. Edgar Hoover's birthday, I wrote him a letter wishing him a happy birthday, and he answered me back.
	I have that letter to this day with his signature on it, thanking me for wishing him a happy birthday.
	Well, they weren't always good.
	No, they weren't.
	In fact, there was a time in this country when what we believed about it was true.
	And if agents that came out seem to be a decent type of sort after we had any understanding.
	Oh they always do.
	They're well trained to talk to you in a manner that makes you think that they're your buddy so that you will be more receptive to their ideas.
	And maybe you'll tell them something.
	Well I did right off.
	I told them to get off the property.
	Wonderful.
	And ran them off and then we came back.
	Wonderful.
	And discussed the situation further.
	Well I'm always amenable to talk to them if they want to be Peaceful and nice, and there's some purpose to the conversation.
	Beyond that, I don't have any use for them based upon their recent history.
	They have no credibility.
	As far as I'm concerned, they are participating in the destruction of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and are actively involved in bringing about a one-world totalitarian socialist government and destroying the creator-endowed rights of the American people.
	Unfortunately, I believe you're correct.
	100%.
	Well, great.
	I want to thank you for calling.
	I really enjoyed this call.
	It's one of the most uplifting, one of the most wonderful calls that I've received in an awful long time.
	Well, sir, I'm going to certainly send you a package.
	I've also complained to the FAA and sent a package to them, too.
	Great.
	Wonderful.
	I'm going to get you a full color shoot this.
	We've started a petition, a national petition.
	It's not gone nationally yet.
	I'll sign that petition.
	In fact, everybody I know will sign it.
	1000 feet, all aircraft, except emergencies, etc.
	And also that all of these aircraft have to be clearly marked as the country of origin,
	a branch of service, and an ID number on them.
	Fantastic. I'll sign that petition. In fact, everybody I know will sign it.
	We'll put it in Veritas, and everybody that subscribes to Veritas I know will sign it.
	Fantastic.
	So you get us all that stuff, and we'll help you.
	We've got commissioners and the county attorney even signed it.
	Wonderful.
	That's great.
	Thank you for calling.
	God bless you.
	God bless you too.
	God bless all Americans who aren't cowards, who aren't afraid, who do the right thing instead of cowering in fear every time these jackbooted Nazi socialist thugs come around.
	I mean, I'm sick of it.
	I'm not taking it.
	I don't know about you folks, but I drew the line a long time ago, and that's why you're hearing this broadcast.
	And that's the way it's got to be.
	The number is 520-333-4578.
	Tonight we're talking about UFOs and you can call in and talk about your experiences with UFOs or ask questions if you want, whatever.
	I'm not going to take either side.
	I just want to discuss it tonight and find out what's on your minds.
	I want to hear from people who Who feel that they've been abducted.
	I want to hear from people who have seen UFOs.
	I want to hear what your thoughts are about this.
	I want to discuss it.
	And I'm not going to take a side for or against anything that you say.
	If you ask me a specific question, I'll give you a specific honest answer.
	Whether you like that answer or not, that's another thing.
	But if you ask me a question, I'm always honest in my response.
	So you can count on that.
	If you want to recount your experiences, if you've had any, if you want to talk about or ask maybe a bench or something subject for other people to comment on, that's fine.
	But I want to talk about UFOs because I think it's a significant topic and I'll tell you exactly why right now.
	Throughout the history of the world, UFOs have never been in the forefront.
	In fact, nobody has ever, in the history of the world until right around World War II, ever discussed or brought up the subject or ventured that there was any such thing as extraterrestrial visitation of this Earth.
	Or that there could be aircraft flying around in our atmosphere that did not belong to any known government on Earth.
	This is the assumption that's made.
	People make that assumption not understanding that there are secret projects that are being conducted by literally all of the governments on the Earth that could have produced such a thing.
	But that, you know, that is up to the different perspective and beliefs of different people. We have
	evidence that this is probably the origin of most U.F. sightings, if not UFO sightings, if not
	all of it. But you have to understand that there have been times in history where
	people have looked up in the sky and seen things that they could describe perfectly.
	For instance, in the 1800s, there was a spate of mysterious airship sightings that were recounted in the headlines and in the stories of the newspapers across the country, and I mean all across the country.
	And from time to time, this mysterious airship would be sighted.
	Basically, what people saw was a big giant balloon with this superstructure beneath it, and the people that they described that they saw aboard this airship were always, without exception, people just exactly like them, wearing the same style clothing made out of the same type of cloth.
	And wherever this airship was said to have sat down, it always engaged in the normal type things that people do.
	Conversation, traded goods for goods, and the goods they traded were never from some extraterrestrial source, but were just common, ordinary things, just like It could be found anywhere on the earth.
	At one point, one well-known story was that the airship touched down and somebody got off dressed in a top hat and nice clothes of the time and traded some buckwheat cakes for some fertilizer.
	Don't ask me what they needed the fertilizer for.
	Maybe they were raising a garden on deck aboard this thing.
	I have no idea, folks.
	But you could read these stories in the newspapers of the time.
	They're legitimate stories.
	They're not wild, way out, loony bin type things.
	Somebody built an airship based upon a balloon and they had some type of propulsion propellers that made this thing go in the direction they wanted it to go.
	And it was reported as being seen in various places at various times, always along the route that had been reported as traveling before.
	So that's really the first time that UFOs are really mentioned.
	And it's not really a UFO because it can be identified as a balloon.
	Carrying human beings, you know, who owned it and what country it belonged to.
	Nobody knew that.
	But they always spoke good English, American English, whenever they talked to someone.
	So the conclusion, the logical conclusion, that it was somebody who lived in the United States or on the North American continent who built this balloon-type airship with the superstructure below it that Was traveling around seeing the country from the air, I guess.
	I don't know.
	I'm just guessing.
	Now, all through the history of the world, and even on Columbus' voyage, at one point on his voyage before he discovered America, he wrote in his logbook that he saw ships of light sail silently across the sky.
	What does that mean?
	I don't know.
	He could have seen some meteors enter the atmosphere and travel, you know, through the atmosphere and glow very brightly and then disappear into the distance.
	That may have been what he saw.
	Nobody really knows what he meant by ships of light sailing silently across the sky.
	You have to make a guess.
	In some of the annals of the ancient Romans, there is reference to shields of light that appeared in the sky.
	Nobody knows what that could have been or what that means.
	It could have been reflections off of a cloud at sunset.
	Nobody knows!
	Nobody knows what they were talking about when they made those kinds of statements.
	But the real modern-day type UFOs that are attributed to some extraterrestrial race from some other planet didn't really begin until the World War II and post-World War II era.
	And the term flying saucer was not coined until 1947 when a pilot claimed that he saw Nine glowing disk-shaped objects flying across the sky near Mount Rainier in Washington that came from the direction of Canada and went back in that direction.
	And some reporter said, you mean they look like flying saucers?
	And he said, yeah, and that's where that term originated.
	Jeff does understand the time, ladies and gentlemen.
	That was a time in history when a tremendous war had been fought and pilots had reported
	something called Foo Fighters, specifically bomber pilots, not fighter pilots, but bomber
	pilots had reported something called Foo Fighters, which were just glowing small disks that would
	come up and travel along with them for a certain distance and then go on their way.
	But while the Foo Fighters were near the aircraft, they would have catastrophic electronic failures
	with their equipment.
	And post-war, it was determined that this was a secret German Nazi weapon, which was
	designed to fly alongside the bombers and put out a tremendous electromagnetic field,
	disrupt the electronics on the bombers and cause them to abort their mission.
	And they were successful in some instances, other instances they were not.
	But they were never successful on a scale that prevented large-scale bombing of Germany both day and night, which resulted in the total collapse of their industrial capability to support the war.
	And we also know that secretly there were other crafts being developed that were disc-shaped That actually may have turned the tide of war against the Allies had these craft been actually developed to where they would have been viable weapons platforms because nothing could have maneuvered against them or been effective against them in the skies because of their speed and their maneuverability.
	And they also had the surprise element that they were totally unorthodox aircraft and would have instilled fear into whoever or whatever they would have come up against.
	These craft were test flown on occasion.
	And this is documented and it's well founded and proven in fact.
	And we know that the Allies all got different pieces of this technology and of course the scientists were all scooped up and we got some and the Russians got some and the British got some.
	And nobody really knows how much of the actual hardware anybody got, but your guess is just
	as good as mine.
	But we do know that around 1947, these disk-shaped craft that the Germans had begun experimenting
	upon before and during World War II, all of a sudden began appearing in the skies over
	America and Canada.
	That's the North American continent over the United States and Canada.
	And I have to apologize.
	I didn't mean to venture that Canadians were not Americans, because they certainly are.
	And all of a sudden, for years, there began to be many, many sightings all over the country.
	And there were in fact waves of flying saucer sightings and then they would dissipate and
	then there would be no sightings and then at certain times there would be all of a sudden
	another wave of UFO sightings.
	At one point in the 1950s there were multiple sightings of UFOs over our nation's capital,
	Washington DC.
	And we know that Hollywood quickly picked up on this and there was a spate all through
	the 1950s, a tremendous number of flying saucer movies all with the same theme I might add
	that human beings were dangerous and we were destroying our world and the aliens came to
	warn us and stop us from this terrible activity because if we weren't held in check we could
	not only destroy our world but their world and the universe and all this other kind of
	bullshit.
	And I'm going to go ahead and close the meeting.
	And on and on and on and on and on.
	One of the great classics that will illustrate all that I've just been telling you is The Day the Earth Stood Still with Michael Rennie and, oh, what's her name?
	Oh my goodness, I can't believe I've forgotten her name.
	One of the great stars, suffered a stroke and came back and taught her body how to function and just a great, Patricia Neal.
	That's her name.
	Oh my gosh, if I had not remembered that name, I really would have been disappointed in myself because she's one of the really great actresses of all time and a truly brave and admirable woman.
	For the comeback that she made after she suffered a severe stroke where she lost her power of speech and total movement of one half of her whole body.
	She didn't give up and she came back and talks just as normal as anybody else and has taught her body to do all the things that it always could do despite the great loss of brain tissue that she suffered during that stroke.
	If you really want to see the great message post-World War II, it was that all humanity has to come together in one world government and disarm, and disarm so that there will never be any more wars and so we won't threaten the other civilizations in the universe and all this kind of stuff.
	And it was all orchestrated.
	I believe that the Roswell incident was a part of that.
	But when you call tonight and we talk about these subjects, I'm not going to tell you what you should or should not believe.
	I just want to hear your opinions, and I will not give you my opinion unless you specifically ask for it or ask me a specific question, and then I'll give you my truthful answer to that.
	The UFO phenomenon has never ceased to be a point of major interest of millions of people, not just in this country, but around the world.
	There have been tremendous sightings, incidents, For some reason, people always attribute the sighting to some extraterrestrial civilization, with no evidence whatsoever, in the whole history of the world, that that is true.
	And I really don't know why that is, unless it's just wishful or hopeful thinking.
	I want to be nice if there really was somebody out there who really did take an active interest in us and really did want to make sure that freedom and peace and good things prevailed in this world as well as wherever else.
	But that's a form of escapism.
	Up until the time we take calls, this commentary is mine.
	When we start taking calls, then the commentary will be yours.
	I would love if anybody in this whole world has any proof that extraterrestrials are real and that they're visiting this earth.
	I would love to see it.
	If real extraterrestrials really came here and landed on my mountaintop and got out and said, Hey Bill, why don't you come for a ride with us?
	We'll show you some wonderful things.
	I would not hesitate for a moment.
	But the fact is, no such thing has happened, not to me, not to anybody, that I can determine.
	There are an awful lot of interpretations and wishful thinking, and there are an awful lot of people who believe that that has happened to them, but nobody, and I mean nobody, ladies and gentlemen, has been able to prove yea or nay.
	There just is no proof for, and really there's no proof against either.
	It's sort of a stalemate at this point.
	So, let's take your calls.
	The number is 520-333-4543.
	If you've had a UFO experience, I want to hear about it.
	Where was it?
	What was it that you saw?
	What is your take on it?
	What do you believe about it?
	Do you think that it was from some other world?
	Could it possibly be from this world?
	Did you actually meet somebody face to face?
	What you, you know, that you believe was an extraterrestrial, and if so, what was the result?
	of that meeting.
	And I know there's an awful lot of you out there who are extremely interested in this type of thing and have been involved in it for maybe many years.
	And there are an awful lot of you, I know, who have had sightings of these craft.
	I have seen them in the air on numerous occasions when I was in the Navy on the USS Tyroo, SS-416.
	I saw one of these crafts come up out of the water, tumble on its axis 180 degrees, and disappear up into a cloud layer.
	And I was dumbstruck, because it was huge.
	And up until that point, I thought all these stories about UFOs were just, were just ass stories.
	But that sure changed my realization of the reality of the world, I can assure you.
	I knew from that point on that they were real.
	I'm not talking about UFOs.
	I'm talking about strange craft the origin of which nobody can tell anybody else and the purpose of which remains to this day unknown.
	There are a lot of theories.
	I have my own ideas.
	I think I can prove some of my ideas.
	Other people may think that I'm full of bloat, but that's neither here nor there.
	It woke me up to a different reality.
	It woke me up to the possibility of an unbelievable technology of which we know little or nothing about, and I'm talking about in the public sector.
	I firmly believe that regardless of the reality of whether it's of human origin or extraterrestrial origin, I know for a fact there are people in the government who know exactly what it is, where it's from, and how it works.
	I have been on this trail for many years.
	It was me that revealed to the world the location and purpose of Area 51 in the desert of Nevada, about 130 miles north-northwest of Las Vegas, along Highway 375, which now the state of Nevada has named the Extraterrestrial Highway, due to the Tens of thousands of people who travel that highway each year hoping to get a glimpse of a real flying disc being test flown over the desert of Navarre.
	And not too long ago we took a group of people up there to Area 51 and had an unbelievably marvelous time.
	The group of people were in themselves worthy of just going anywhere and spending time with.
	They were just so wonderful.
	and all of them extremely brave because I took them places and we did things that most
	people would hesitate to even consider, much less follow my lead and just go along and
	do it.
	And I know that on a couple of occasions some of them were just petrified with fear, especially
	when we drove right up to the limits of the BLM land where the signs are that says that
	use of deadly force is authorized.
	And they thought that we were all alone there and then all of a sudden just across the line
	this security jeep full of armed thugs turned on their headlights and it was like a bunch
	of mice scattering.
	People who had cameras all of a sudden threw them in their car and locked the doors and pretended like they never had a camera in their hands.
	Some people went and hid behind their cars.
	It was fun.
	And it was a normal reaction, ladies and gentlemen.
	These people were not cowards.
	If they were, they would never have gone that far.
	They were just surprised.
	It was a surprise.
	I had told them that the security would be waiting for us at that point.
	And I don't think they really believed me until it happened.
	Because there is no time while you're in the Ticaboo Valley or anywhere near Area 51 that you are not under surveillance.
	You cannot be anywhere near that test site without being under surveillance the entire time, no matter what you're doing.
	Even if you don't even know it's there and you're just passing along the highway, somebody is watching you every single moment.
	The number is 520-333-4578.
	In about five minutes, we're going to open the phones and we'll be talking about this.
	But I don't want, you know, to talk about it myself.
	I've been doing this for so many years.
	I want to hear what you have to say about it.
	I want to hear your stories.
	I want to hear your experiences.
	I want to hear what you think about it.
	And you don't have to tell me what you know I already think because that's not what I'm looking for.
	I'm looking for an open discussion where we hear what you out there in this audience think about the UFO phenomenon and what it means to you personally and where you think it's taking us.
	Now, I know some of you out there that are listening think this is the biggest bunch of baloney you ever heard, and this is just a big waste of time, and I want to tell you that you're wrong.
	Whatever the truth of the UFO phenomena turns out to be, it will, and already is, in fact, affecting us all in a big way.
	And if it's true that extraterrestrials are visiting this earth, then it's the most significant event in the history of the world.
	If it's not true that extraterrestrials are visiting this earth, then it is a tremendous propaganda manipulation in order to make us behave in certain ways and maybe accept certain things that we would not otherwise accept.
	And if there is no reality to it whatsoever, then sociologically it tells us something about ourselves that maybe we had better begin to examine.
	I can tell you for an absolute fact that that's not the case.
	There is a tremendous reality to the UFO phenomenon, and these things are real.
	They really do fly around in the atmosphere.
	They've been seen by millions of people all over the world, not just a few kooks and Looney Tunes people.
	But I will tell you this.
	There is a group of people who call themselves ufologists.
	I call themselves ufologists.
	And the people who are so immersed in this that it becomes their life that are truly in la-la land.
	These are the woo-woo people.
	They're over the edge.
	They have adopted realities in their own mind that aren't real at all.
	They're living in fantasy land.
	They believe that the benevolent space brother is going to save them from the realities and the terrible things that happen in this world.
	Much like some Christians believe that they're going to be raptured, and they're not going to go through any terrible times, and it's a form of escapism.
	And there are others who pursue this and promote it for profit and for agendas of their own.
	And the ultimate reality, in my estimation, is that they can prove the reality, or if they can make people believe that there is a reality of an extraterrestrial life form visiting this earth, Then it's going to be used as an excuse to propel us into a one-world totalitarian socialist government.
	For if they exist, and they're technologically superior to us, and they found us first, so the theory goes, then they represent a threat, whether they really are one or not.
	It is the responsibility of the leaders of the earth to prepare to meet that threat should it ever materialize.
	And the only way to do that is to make sure that the Earth is represented by one voice, by one police force, by one military.
	And that all boils down to, as Stanton Friedman says at the end of all his lectures, who speaks for planet Earth?
	Argentina?
	Red China?
	Would you like Haiti to represent you in negotiations with an extraterrestrial force that is technologically superior to anything on this earth?
	Well, the answer to this, ladies and gentlemen, of course, is no.
	So, the logical conclusion is, well, we all must come together as one humanity, as President Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev said on numerous occasions.
	In order to oppose this threat and ensure for against this threat.
	wouldn't we all realize that we are one humanity after all?
	I'm going to play a little bit of it.
	This is the voice of freedom.
	You're listening to the World Wide Freedom Radio Network.
	We now return you to the Hour of the Sun.
	Once upon a happy isle, reasons I know have been told. Once upon a good a-broken reason, a good a-better, sooner or
	later.
	Once upon a good a-broken reason, a good a-better, sooner or later.
	Well, welcome back to the Hour of the Time.
	The phones are open, folks.
	520-333-4578.
	I want to get your input on this.
	What do you think about it?
	Have you had an experience?
	Do you know somebody who has?
	Do you feel that you've been abducted?
	Have you ever spoken to a real live extraterrestrial?
	Now, I'm not going to make fun of you.
	I'm not going to ridicule you or anything.
	I really want to know what is going on out there, what's in the minds of the listeners of this broadcast.
	What do you feel the reality of this is?
	Where do you think it's leading us?
	Just recently I was listening to some people who believe that we're entering some kind of a tremendous escalation of knowledge and spiritual development that is being perpetrated by this UFO experience.
	And I'm going to tell you, whatever it turns out to be, that's going to be true.
	Your interpretation of what that growth in intelligence and spiritual development is, is subjective and open to discussion, but I think whatever the reality of it is, it's definitely going to result in that.
	Good evening, you're on the air.
	Yeah, Bill.
	Something a little more mundane.
	This is Steve.
	Your audio level is low again.
	You've barely been off the pen all evening again, sir.
	Really?
	Yeah, you had good level, but you were clipping We're clipping out.
	You're up a little hotter now, or at least I show myself hotter.
	Well, we're not clipping out again, are we?
	No, no, the clipping was corrected, but your audio level went down after you... Yeah, well that's because I thought maybe we were overloading the Comrex and I turned it down and forgot to turn it back on.
	There's a picture of one disassembled in Well, the history of World War II, it's a rep document that I have here, and they had a picture of one of those made out of plywood.
	it was a steel truss frame covered with plywood, looks like, real thick marine plywood and
	was powered at that point by two of the jet engines similar to used on the ME-262. And
	curiously enough, the picture was it was disassembled being prepared for shipment.
	The thing was on its side but you could see some of the failing points like the engine
	nacelles and stuff like that. But the actual turbines weren't in it, it was disassembled.
	But you could see the cross section of the saucer shape.
	And what did you find that picture in?
	history, I believe it's called the pictorial history of World War II and it was in the
	back as far as some of the booty and the high tech things like the 262, the B-series weapons
	and some of the other stuff that they were working on and alluded to some of their nuclear
	progress but didn't go into any redetails or any details on it.
	It was just sort of the end of the book and this is where it could have gone.
	Think of the possibilities, no details.
	Yeah.
	Well, the possibility of Germany developing an atomic bomb was slim since they had never reached the stage of developing the heavy water that they needed and when they began to actually Go online with the only plant that they had built to develop heavy water.
	We bombed it into eternity before they even produced so much as an ounce.
	Yeah, but they didn't go into a real wartime economic footing until 1943 as far as getting serious as far as very costly long-term development.
	Yeah, by that time we had air superiority and it was over.
	Well, who published that book?
	Do you know?
	I'd have to go get it.
	Bill actually had it down here a week or so ago and threw it back up in the library.
	The information is out there and there are pictures of that exact thing.
	And then it just all falls off the radar.
	Fancy that.
	Yeah, well, that's because when the governments that got that technology realized how important it was and what they could do with it, then of course they put down this veil of secrecy which has existed to this day.
	Yeah, and I love what you're doing out there at Groom Lake 51.
	I think that is just such a travesty that our tax dollars and our Constitution are allegedly supporting these people.
	And they won't tell us what they're up to.
	Oh, that isn't the half.
	The budget thing's got to really be turned over.
	Yeah, well that isn't even the half of it.
	According to the Overflight Treaty, Russia and any other nation that's a signatory to the treaty can fly over Area 51 at any time that they want to using the most technologically developed and up-to-date spy equipment and photograph and listen to and discover
	exactly what we're doing there, but not one American citizen can climb up on a mountain and
	even look at it with binoculars anymore.
	Yes, I wonder who they trust.
	Well, they certainly don't trust us.
	Right.
	Carry on, sir.
	Excellent.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for calling and thank you for your input there.
	520-333-4578 is the number.
	I want to hear from you out there in radio land, satellite land, FM land, wherever you're listening, internet land.
	I want you to call me right now at 520-333-4578 and tell me what you think about all this.
	Whatever you think about it is fine with us.
	We want to hear what that is.
	We want to hear if you've had any experiences with these so-called UFOs.
	And UFO, folks, simply means unidentified flying object.
	If you look up in the sky and you see a duck flying at 3,000 feet and you can't tell it's a duck, it's a UFO.
	And that's the truth, because the term simply means unidentified flying object.
	And anything that you see in the sky that you cannot readily and quickly identify and
	even later identify as a UFO.
	Most of them, for the most part, always turn out to be normal, average, everyday, explainable,
	mundane, normal things.
	Bye.
	And there is a percentage, however, that are not normal, average, everyday, mundane things
	and cannot be explained by anybody, although some people try.
	They just don't succeed in most instances.
	I have seen these things myself on many occasions.
	I know other people who are credible, honest, truthful people who have seen them.
	And literally, there are millions of people around the world who have seen these crafts
	flying in our atmosphere.
	Thank you.
	No one, to my knowledge, can prove that they are of extraterrestrial origin, or that they have ever been, or any of them have ever been of extraterrestrial origin, are now of extraterrestrial origin, or ever could be, or that extraterrestrial life even exists anywhere in this universe.
	So that is all conjecture and if you believe in that, that's okay with us.
	If you want to tell us what you believe and what your experiences are, that's what we want to hear.
	520-333-4578 and as usual, if I don't get a call in two minutes, folks, I'm going to shut this down and go to bed and not play this silly game that you appear to be trying to play every night with this telephone thing.
	You want to have open call-in shows, but then when we have them, it's almost as if you have
	to be pried loose from your couch and over to your telephone in order to make the calls.
	Once the calls start, they never stop.
	And that's just amazing.
	It's like everybody's waiting for the first person to pick up the phone and dial.
	You've now got one and a half minutes, ladies and gentlemen, to start the ball rolling, or it will be the end of the broadcast of the hour of the time.
	I'm going to tell you something.
	If this kind of behavior continues, I'm going to go back to one hour of just imparting information with rarely ever having call-in shows like I used to do before.
	And you're now at the one minute mark.
	And give up that second hour to somebody else like Michael Cottingham who will be following this broadcast beginning October 1st.
	And you've got to hear him.
	I mean, he is just fantastic.
	Good evening, you're on the air.
	Hey, this is Charles in Georgia.
	Hi, Charles.
	I just couldn't let you go out there.
	Well, good.
	What do you know about UFOs?
	I'm skeptical.
	Skeptical?
	Why?
	Well, I've never seen one, and I don't think if you'd never seen one, you'd believe in them.
	Well, the truth is, until I did, I didn't.
	You're absolutely correct.
	Well, I think if they were not military, if they were from another planet, somebody would have Shot one down by now.
	Either shot one down or we would have some kind of proof that they were at least from some other planet.
	There would be something, but there just isn't.
	And the other planets are so far away, they would have to have much superior transportation to what we have.
	Well, we don't know if we have that kind of transportation or not.
	I've got to tell you that in secret, with these black budget projects, whatever you perceive as the state of the art of any given technology in the public arena, they're at least 50 to 100 years ahead in secret.
	Were you aware of that?
	Oh, that's the truth.
	The old priests of the mystery religion of Babylon have learned how to hoard the secrets and use them to control populations.
	Whether they're doing this with UFOs, I happen to believe that they are, but other people believe that that's not the case.
	What do you know about UFOs, if anything?
	Have you read any books on the subject?
	I did several years ago.
	Well, I think probably in some instances that that's probably exactly the case.
	I know that if you look up in the sky on some nights, you'll see some stars that you'll
	swear are moving, and they blink all different colors, and people will swear that stars don't
	The truth is stars do do that.
	And they will swear that they've seen a UFO.
	Never mind that that star moves across the sky from the east to west in sets just like all the other stars.
	But there are some unusual things that happen.
	If they're all stars, they should all come up and move across the sky and set on the other horizon.
	If you, however, open a camera lens while it's on a tripod and just leave the lens open so the stars track across the film, they will always be perpendicular to each other, or I should say parallel to each other, the tracks of the stars.
	If you see one of the tracks that's moving in any other direction, it's not a star, is it?
	Speaking of horizons, I heard a show you did about a month ago about the fake photos from
	the moon.
	Yes.
	And it was something about the horizon you said would give it away as fake pictures.
	Well, I'd have to go back and listen to that tape.
	Nothing comes to mind right away, but then I was prepared to do that broadcast.
	Well, I think you said all the pictures had the horizon.
	Oh, yeah.
	Now I know what you're talking about.
	The horizon of focus of the camera was exactly 100 meters.
	So you think they filmed all that in some studio?
	Oh, they had to have, because they were using Hasselblad cameras, and in the kind of light that they would experience in space in order to produce perfectly exposed color film, they would have had to stop the lens down to a very small aperture, in which case the limit of focus would have been infinity.
	Well, I'm not sure I heard on your show, or whether somebody just told me about it, I heard somewhere that when they were jumping on the moon, they should have been able to jump real high, since the gravity is like one-sixth of Earth.
	That's correct.
	And they only jumped about a foot.
	That's absolutely correct.
	And one other thing I heard was that the transmission back to Earth took a real long time to get here.
	I've heard that also.
	That is not one of the things that I've investigated, though.
	I have a degree in photography, so most of my efforts have been in the study of the photographs and they're so easy to
	prove that they're fake.
	It's just unbelievable that anybody would even try to pawn them off as being legitimate
	photographs taken on the moon.
	Well I appreciate your time and I'll let somebody else jump on.
	Well thank you for calling.
	See you later.
	520-333-4578.
	This is years ago and it's even written in my book folks.
	I predicted that there would be some secret chambers uncovered under the sphinx and the
	pyramids and that there would be tunnels linking the two and that they would uncover some vast
	storehouse of knowledge.
	Well, now that's coming true.
	They say that they have found the chambers, and they have found the tunnels, and they're excavating, but they're doing it in secret, and there's people who have been on the Art Bell Show and others who claim that this is all linked to Richard Hoagland's discovery of artifacts on Mars.
	And the moon, which, by the way, are all taken by NASA, who faked the photographs.
	Therefore, it's all based upon the photographs of an organization, an agency that's been proven to fake photographs.
	But it's amazing how many of my predictions, in fact, all of them, they come true!
	It just blows my mind.
	But they're so easy to predict.
	Good evening, you're on the air.
	Yes, Bill.
	This is Harvey, Ohio.
	I'm one of your rebroadcasters, and I sincerely... You have won me over totally with your program last night.
	I really want to thank you for that constitutional program.
	It really moved me.
	I've read the Constitution, but that production of it was so well done that I played all night on my rebroadcasting unit here, and all afternoon.
	I just hope that somebody else heard because it really moved me and on the UFO subject.
	Well wait let's go back to that.
	You know who produced that?
	You know who's really responsible for it?
	No.
	You know the actor Stacey Keach?
	I've heard that name.
	Stacey Keach is the one who produced that and is responsible for the whole thing.
	It was beautiful.
	I tell you it really really really really moved me.
	It made me really know why, you know, it made me feel like an American.
	I can't tell you, I just really can't put it into words.
	I did better on my own little broadcasting unit than what I'm doing here tonight.
	But it was really well done.
	I just played it over and over and over.
	Oh great.
	So it had to move people that heard it.
	Wonderful.
	There'll be more of that type of program as As the time goes by, I can assure you, because that's the main thrust of this broadcast.
	I just want to encourage people out there to get some kind of a unit, and this time I won't mention any names, but get some kind of rebroadcaster.
	Let's make this work, people.
	This is a chance for us to take the airways back.
	Bill has done four and a half years, or maybe longer than that, up there.
	Working his butt off, making, uh, what do you call, uh, what's the word when you, uh, research.
	And he's the one, people.
	And I just want to encourage everybody, let's get our own, let's take the airways back, so get these broadcast units up and working.
	Don't make excuses.
	Don't be afraid of the FCC.
	Uh, they're more harmless than UFOs.
	Yeah, well, not all UFOs are harmless.
	There have been some cases where they have.
	Well, I don't know, you know.
	Apparently appeared to harm people.
	The Cash Lundrum case comes to mind where they were driving their car and all of a sudden there was this huge diamond shaped UFO in front of them surrounded by military black helicopters.
	And everybody thought they were crazy and all of a sudden their hair started falling out and they began to demonstrate the classic symptoms of radiation sickness and they were in fact exposed to a tremendous dose of radiation which caused them some tremendous health problems for quite a while.
	Well I definitely disagree with the last gentleman with respect.
	Uh, that I do definitely believe that there are UFOs.
	Where they're from, I do not know, but I can tell you my experience, uh, what, uh, my experience, and, uh, I don't know how enlightening it'll be, but I'll tell you what happened to me and my wife.
	It was in the daytime.
	I've seen lights at night, which you couldn't, uh, document, you might say.
	But, uh, uh, this was in the daytime.
	We were coming up over a hill.
	We got, uh, it was a pretty steep hill.
	We were up over top of the hill.
	And it was a real gloomy, gray day here in Ohio.
	And we had some gloomy, gray days here, let me tell you.
	And all of a sudden, these brilliant flashes of light and this V-shaped object, which was flying, instead of flying over the point, you know, where the point you think you're going to be flying in a V-shape, It would be flying, the point would be, it was flying the other way.
	Yeah, like a ship.
	That's exactly what I'm saying.
	Yeah, in the Navy we call the pointy end the bow.
	That's the one that goes first.
	Well anyway, what got me, what was so spectacular was that there was a lot, there was quite a lot of traffic and these big flashes of light, like I can only emphasize, like a hundred thousand times brighter than what a little flash bulb would be on a camera.
	And it was just like they were taking pictures.
	I mean, you know, this is in the daytime.
	This flash is of light, you know.
	And I thought, I thought, wow, people will be stopping on the highway and just say, what the hell was that?
	You know, I thought people would be pulling over thinking, is this the end of the world?
	What is it?
	You know.
	But nobody stopped?
	Nobody stopped.
	So since nobody else was pulling over, I didn't do it.
	I kept going too.
	But we were in amazement.
	So I told my wife, I said, don't say anything.
	Wait till we get back to the house.
	I want you to write down what you saw.
	You draw a picture of what you saw.
	And then let me draw a picture of what I saw.
	So we went, you know, and I went to the kitchen.
	She went to the front room or whatever.
	And we both drew the same thing.
	That's a good way to do it.
	And what it was, I don't know, but I've never seen such bright lights.
	If you couldn't identify it, it's a UFO.
	UFO simply means unidentified flying object.
	not the sun flashing through the cloud or anything like that. I've seen that, that's
	rays, that's not flashes. But is that a UFO? I don't know.
	Is that a part plane?
	If you couldn't identify it, it's a UFO. UFO simply means unidentified flying object.
	If it's flying in the air and you can't identify what it is and you've never heard or seen
	anything like it before, then it's definitely a UFO.
	Well, that was in the day time.
	I think that was highly unusual.
	The shape of the crack.
	Yeah, the shape of the craft that you described is one that is pretty common that was seen over a specific valley in the east.
	I forget the name of the valley.
	It will come to me later.
	But it was seen for several years and sometimes would appear to just sit motionless in the air and sometimes would move very slowly.
	But the bright light and daylight I had not heard before.
	I've seen things like that.
	Arc light.
	Pardon?
	I just said this is it.
	It was in the daytime.
	That was unusual and there was no sound.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's typical with UFOs.
	No sound.
	Oh, no, that's okay.
	I was just going to say that I'd seen bright flashes of light in the daylight, which turned out to be practice ark-like missions by high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft where they would drop a series of Some type of explosive or incendiary that would burn extremely fast and extremely bright.
	And when they use them at night, it lights up the countryside brighter than the sun, and they would take their photographs with that.
	Sometimes they would practice their missions during the daytime.
	But we all knew what they were, and they were never accompanied by some weird delta-shaped craft that moved very slowly and strangely in the atmosphere.
	I can only say that that's what we saw.
	I just tell you Bill, Godspeed on this interview and I want to thank you.
	I've really become a fan of yours.
	You've won me over totally.
	I can only say that I just hope that the people realize this is our chance to take the airwaves back and have interesting shows and interesting guests.
	There was something else I wanted to tell you.
	I want to send in my address and where I'm at and everything so that I can be counted
	and you can count on me for any support.
	Great.
	Sometime next month, I don't know exactly when, we'll begin 24-hour day broadcasting.
	Jackie Petrou will precede my broadcast.
	Michael Cottingham will be coming on right after my broadcast.
	We are lining up some other excellent radio programming.
	And it's going to be around the clock.
	You're just going to be amazed.
	We're going to have some old time radio broadcasts.
	It's going to be wonderful.
	You know Bill, these people talk about the expense of this whole thing as far as getting set up.
	And you've got a good deal of what you've got too.
	But they can also, big dishes, a lot of people are getting rid of them and they'll almost pay you to haul them out of the yard.
	That's right.
	I know some people who have purchased complete used satellite systems for as little as a hundred dollars.
	Oh yes.
	The whole thing.
	And all you got to do is watch the penny saver and read the one ads or the for sale ads in your newspaper and your penny saver and your bargain whatever it is and you'll find them there.
	And you don't need much in the way of equipment.
	Some of the equipment you've got at home, stereo equipment and stuff like that, and amplifiers, you can put that to good use for your little studio.
	Yeah.
	You don't need a heck of a lot.
	Yeah.
	And if you want top-notch, good new equipment, we've got the lowest prices that there are.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	What you've got there, I said it the last time I was on, will last for years and years and years and years.
	And it's just practically trouble free, especially when it's not moving.
	You know, you're not going to be moving a lot.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Okay, thank you for your input, and thank you for calling.
	God bless.
	You too.
	Okay, bye.
	520-333-4578 is the number, and it's your turn.
	Yes, you.
	Right there.
	I'm talking to you.
	I'm pointing right at your belly button as you sit on that couch, and here you are.
	Good evening.
	You're on the air.
	Hi, Bill.
	Hi.
	I knew you knew I was pointing at you.
	You sound like somebody I know.
	I've been listening to you for years.
	Maybe I am.
	Maybe nobody really knows who the real Bill Cooper is.
	Maybe.
	Maybe it is the guy that you know.
	Let me tell you Phil, I've been following you for a long time and I agree with everything you say.
	Oh no, you've been following me for a long time.
	That means you saw me go into that phone booth and change my clothes, didn't you?
	I don't think this is my friend putting me on.
	Remember Thatcher, Arizona?
	Thatcher, Arizona?
	No, I don't as a matter of fact.
	If people assume I know everything, I really don't.
	Hudson, you were a ufologist yourself, remember?
	I've never been a ufologist.
	Never, ever.
	Well, I have a tape of you giving a lecture.
	Yeah, I was giving a lecture about things that I saw, documentation that I saw when I was with the Office of Naval Intelligence.
	Right, you're absolutely right.
	And I was trying to warn people about what that meant to our Constitution and about the future of the world.
	I understand, but I've been following you ever since.
	And I've listened to just about every one of your programs.
	Wonderful.
	I still keep up with it, you fool, with your show.
	Uh-huh.
	Just for information.
	Well, I try to do that, too.
	Last week, I heard a person on a radio show, and would you want me to give him a plug or not?
	Sure, go ahead.
	It's UFO Update.
	Uh-huh.
	Where is that?
	I've never heard of that.
	Radio Network.
	Pardon?
	On the cable radio network on satellite.
	Cable radio network on satellite?
	UFO update?
	Yeah.
	Who's the host?
	Well, it was your old friend, but they dropped him about eight weeks ago.
	Who was that?
	Ecker?
	Ecker.
	Oh, that phony creep?
	Yeah.
	All of a sudden he wasn't on anymore.
	Well, people are finding out what a phony liar he is.
	Okay, and they went for two weeks with no program.
	Then they came out with a new program.
	Well, good.
	I hope it's objective and I hope the host is more truthful and more honest and more objective than Nicker was.
	If he is, he'll have a successful program.
	And if he is, I'd be interested in talking to him about being on our network.
	Michael Shelby.
	I hope you can hear that.
	Oh, I can hear it.
	What's your scanner on? It's a radio. Somebody was streaming. Joe Dale is the host.
	Joe Dale, don't know him.
	No, he's, uh, I'm not sure who he is.
	He's a fairly young fella and he didn't even know about the Mantel deal.
	Uh-huh.
	You remember that one?
	Oh, well he's really new to all this.
	So they had to fill him in.
	Yeah.
	The last week... Yeah, I know about the Mantel incident, the P-51.
	I do too.
	I was living in Cincinnati, Ohio and we got, um, My broadcast from there, it broke in.
	So I've been around for a while.
	In fact, I was around at the beginning in 47.
	Anyhow, there's this so-called guy, Sheldon Nidal, who I have never heard of.
	And he's got some books and he's been lecturing.
	And he claims he was abducted when he was nine years old, and so forth and so on.
	And he says he can channel, which he did on the program.
	You know, I don't know about channeling.
	And he said that after the eclipse, you know, we're going to have a lunar eclipse on the 26th total, and the United States is going to be the last one for a long time.
	they're going to start flying in the daytime and they've told the United States government to get
	their airplanes out of the air because they don't want to have to take them out. I'm sorry.
	I just can't buy that.
	Well, I mean, he's going to be out of business because that's pretty soon now.
	Yeah, really.
	He's blowing his whole thing.
	Well, it's like old Brother Stare.
	Was it in July we were supposed to be nuked by the Russians?
	Yeah.
	I was there with him also.
	Yeah.
	And his other 500 other prophecies that never came true?
	Right.
	Yeah, when somebody starts channeling, I leave the room usually.
	Yeah well I'm just if this guy is blowing his whole scheme they've been working on for years because you remember the total eclipse in Mexico a few years back and then right after that the UFO started showing up Yeah, over Mexico City and other places.
	Well, they're still flying, evidently.
	Well, that's what they say.
	Well, I've seen some pretty good pictures now, you know, but you know how pictures are.
	Well, photographs can be faked real easy nowadays.
	I know that.
	I do a little photography, a little astronomy, radio.
	And I didn't think it was so easy to fake videotape until I saw the Billy Meyer stuff, and then I realized it's a lot easier than what we thought.
	Well, he didn't have videotape.
	Well, he had film, but they put it on videotape, and that's what you see in this country.
	Nobody's looking at film here.
	Well, there's some pretty good stills, but, you know, they could be fake.
	I can guarantee you, we've already subjected many of the stills from Billy Myers to analysis, and they are fake, with no doubt.
	Okay, you need to get somebody really good.
	Maybe when Gary Bourgeois gets back in circulation, You can fill you people in on some radio jargon.
	Radio jargon?
	Yeah.
	Everybody refers to a linear amplifier that is only used in AM broadcasting.
	What do you call it with FM broadcasting?
	Between the transmitter and the antenna?
	The class C amplifier.
	Class C amplifier.
	And it's different from an amplitude modulator transmitter.
	Well, nobody knows what you're talking about anyway.
	Unfortunately.
	Well, FM don't refer to it as a linear amplifier because it's not a linear amplifier.
	Non-linear amp.
	So it's a what?
	It's a Class C. There's A, B, and C, basically.
	A amp is linear, but completely linear.
	You know what linear means.
	Yeah, in line.
	I know what you mean.
	And that's what you use in audio.
	In RF, like in CW, you use a class C. The carrier's only on half of the time in class C. You know about AC.
	If you make a spike and shut it off, it will drop back down.
	You'll have AC.
	Well, in amplitude modulation, you can't do that.
	It'll be all distorted.
	But in FM, you can use a Class C Amp.
	Okay.
	Class C Amp is much, much more efficient than a Class A. Class A, you're wasting about half of the power that's going in.
	I see.
	So, when you're talking about FM, it's different.
	Call it either an RF Amp, or just call it an RF Amp.
	Radio Frequency Amp.
	Okay.
	Alright, from now on, it's an RF Amp.
	All you guys hear me out there?
	We have been educated.
	Linear is dumb thing to see ears.
	They call it linear.
	They're not even, you know, they don't speak English too good so much.
	They call it a linear amp.
	Well, all you got to do is listen to their broadcast and you know they speak English too good.
	They really run a class B on those amps.
	And that's why it's so distorted.
	Whatever they're running, it's really screwed up.
	I want to tie it up and let somebody else get in.
	Okay.
	I wasn't going to let you go up to the air, so I thought I'd call.
	Well, thank you.
	Okay.
	Bye.
	Good night.
	520-333-4578.
	Well, that was an interesting call.
	Now we know that we don't refer to these things for FM broadcasting as linear amplifiers.
	They are RF amplifiers.
	Good evening.
	You're on the air.
	Yeah, Bill.
	How are you doing?
	Good.
	This is Ernie up in Wisconsin here.
	Hi Ernie.
	What do you know about UFOs?
	Well, I'll tell you.
	Back in 1965, I lived up in a little town called Park Falls, Wisconsin.
	What's the name of it?
	Park Falls, Wisconsin.
	Park Falls?
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	It's like the northwestern part of Wisconsin.
	Okay.
	Well, anyway, we were outside one night and we seen little lights flashing in the sky and stuff and we were there for like about 30 to 45 minutes about.
	And all the neighbors were out.
	They'd go up and across and different bright lights.
	Well, needless to say, after a half hour into it, we heard two sonic booms.
	And apparently they sent up some fighters from what used to be an air base up in Duluth, Minnesota.
	Yeah.
	And I think they were the older F-102s, whatever.
	And we, they came right over.
	They came right over and just heard the booms.
	They were apparently trying to go after him or something, but they just shot and totally disappeared.
	And the lady next to us, I remember she was like, I believe, she was from Germany.
	She was like a war brider type thing.
	And she said that she hadn't seen anything like that since just about towards the closing of the war in Germany.
	She said she'd seen them quite a bit over there.
	There was a lot of activity, you know, down the closing year of the war.
	Oh, that's interesting.
	Yeah, and I said, you know, she kind of asked me, she said, Oh, I haven't seen this since, you know, Yeah, I'm working on converting an amateur radio for your FM broadcast deal here.
	She knew pilots even in the Lugovka that seen them.
	And they didn't, you know, but she didn't get into much detail, but she just said that
	she was aware that in the water there was a lot of sightings of that.
	Yeah.
	But I'm working on converting an amateur radio for your FM broadcast deal here.
	I have a satellite, but I used to listen to you on shortwave, but as we know that, we can no longer.
	How in the world would you convert an amateur radio to broadcast FM?
	I mean older crystal ones you can do that.
	You guys amaze me.
	You just know how to do everything out there with the radios.
	The things I never even dreamed you could do.
	Every time I talk to one of you guys you blow my mind.
	Well, you know, it's a hobby.
	I was on that little milliwatt thing that's around the house here.
	I'm working on converting something a little bit.
	Are you talking about stuff like the old Collins receivers?
	No, this is old, actually this was an old commercial, supposedly a commercial pager system.
	A Motorola type, like a tube type.
	The real common, a real common... So that's not really amateur radio, that was a pager system?
	Yeah I converted it over for the, to be used on the, on like for 6 or 2 meters it could
	go either way.
	Uh huh.
	You know from 50 megahertz up to like maybe 150.
	Uh huh.
	And what I did I had just like a, like a relay, like a little repeater here but since I got
	it offline I was going to convert it for the FM broadcast.
	Yeah.
	And I figured so it should work pretty good.
	But I also say too a few months ago I think I sent you an old reader's digest.
	I don't know if you received that or not.
	What was the subject?
	It was February 41 there was just some stuff that I was working on.
	And I was working on a new project.
	I did get it.
	Yes, I did.
	Yeah, and I thought that was quite interesting, that article.
	Even before, I mean, February 41, we weren't even really in it, but how they're already manipulating the economy.
	Yes.
	And how people were saying that Japan's buying our scrap and turning it into weapons and nobody's paying attention, you know?
	Yeah.
	And I just thought that was kind of amusing.
	It's extremely educational.
	To read that, yeah, it's very educational.
	You read that and you go, people were aware of this stuff back then.
	Yeah.
	But yet, nobody really reacted or did anything like that.
	I just think it's amazing, but I decided to call in and say, I've got some satellite too.
	I put together my system for about a hundred bucks too, so.
	Agreed.
	Somebody, a buddy of mine runs a TV shop and somebody wanted one of them little dishes put in.
	And we put it in and he goes, well, I just wanted to help.
	He goes, you guys want this, you can have it.
	So basically we hauled it away and I got a couple cheap receivers and put them together and got a system going, you know?
	Oh, that's great.
	Yeah, you can do it pretty economically.
	A lot of people are going to that smaller dish and, like you said, read your shoppers or even check with your satellite or TV places, you know?
	Yeah, sometimes they get trade-ins or stuff that they don't want to mess with.
	They just soon get rid of it.
	Like I said, I have an older system.
	It's called the BirdView system.
	Exactly, you know, the most modern, but I got like about eight receivers, you know, so I'll always have parts, you know?
	As long as it works, that's what counts.
	Some of the best radio receivers and transmitters in the world were made back in the 20s.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, I collect older radios, too.
	I have a... And this microphone that I'm using right now was made back in the 20s, and it's the best that there is still today.
	You cannot get anything better than this.
	It's an RCA-44BX.
	Oh yeah, them are wonderful mics.
	I like listening to a shortwave.
	I have an old Delco 4-model radio.
	It's like the old Philco shortwave.
	I always listen to you on that.
	There's just something about the tube sound.
	It's just a classic sound, I guess you could say.
	If you've ever heard one of those old radios, there are people now who are collecting them and restoring them.
	If you've got a lot of money, you can even buy one, but they cost so much that it's prohibited.
	They have the most incredible sound you've ever heard.
	When I was a kid growing up, I'd sit there and listen to radio teletype and CW on that
	old one we had just because I thought it was neat.
	You know, I tell my sons this.
	I think nowadays you guys are missing out on some of the real treat of what radio was like.
	You know, you had to use your imagination a little bit.
	Yeah, I remember that.
	When I was a boy, my mom would tuck us into bed at night and then she would turn on the radio and we would listen to suspense and the whistler and the creaking door.
	Yeah.
	And then, you know, sometime during the air you'd drift off to sleep and you wouldn't I wouldn't hear it all, but I remember laying there in the dark and I could see the whistler lurking in the shadows.
	In your mind you could see the whole thing.
	It was better than television ever dreamed of being, because you could create in your mind whatever your mind wanted to put there instead of having something put there for you.
	Yeah, that was really neat.
	Well, I'll let somebody else jump on in here.
	Yeah well I just wanted to see if you got that and like I said I'm definitely going to get you back on the air up here anyway.
	Great.
	Nice getting into you and you did send me some information for buying some books and stuff too.
	I appreciate you returning my letters.
	Well thanks a lot Bill and God bless you.
	You're welcome.
	Good night and thank you for calling.
	Oh, by the way, folks, before I forget to tell you, all the information packs have gone out on the satellite system and the low-power FM transmitter and the sales items and the tapes and all of that kind of stuff.
	They're all in the mail, so you can be expecting to be receiving them within the next few days.
	And we're extending this sale probably until the end of October and then it will end, or
	maybe the 15th of October, I'm not sure.
	But it will definitely go past the 30th of September when everybody thought it was going
	to end.
	But right now, let's just set it at the 15th of October and leave it at that.
	So the sale will end the 15th of October.
	All the info packs are out to you.
	If you haven't sent for an info pack, please do now so that we can get it to you before the sale ends.
	And everything that we have is on sale, folks, except for Oklahoma City Day 1.
	We cannot put that on sale.
	If we don't get back our investment in that, we're down the tubes.
	There is no doubt about it.
	So, we can't put Oklahoma City Day One on sale at all.
	And don't forget, if you haven't ordered your copy of Oklahoma City Day One, they have been printed.
	They have been bound, except for the hardback collector's edition.
	That will be in process of manufacture a little bit longer because we're getting top quality binding.
	The pages are going to be sewn and the binding is just tops.
	I mean, you can't get better quality.
	So the collector's editions will be coming later, but the paper trade books are on their way now.
	They're on a truck on the way here, and I don't know how many days it's going to take for them to get here, but as soon as they get here, we're bringing Michelle Moore in to sign all the books that have been ordered signed.
	And you cannot order any more paper trade books signed, ladies and gentlemen.
	We are not doing it anymore.
	If you want a signed autographed edition, you have to buy the Collector's Hardbound
	Edition, which is limited to 500 copies.
	It's hardbound.
	It's a top quality book.
	It's a first edition, Collector's limited to 500 copies, period, in the whole wide world.
	And that's $65 post-paid for the collector's edition.
	If you want the regular paper trade, it's $35 post-paid.
	Get your orders in now because they're on the way.
	And as soon as they get here, the ones that don't need to be autographed are going to be sent out immediately.
	The ones that need to be autographed, as soon as Michelle puts her John Hancock in there, they're going to be going out too.
	So, anyway, that's that.
	520-333-4578.
	Give me a call.
	Tell me what's going on with the UFO thing with you.
	Good evening.
	You're on the air.
	Yes, Bill.
	This is Fred in California.
	Hi, Fred.
	I don't have any flying saucer stories of my own, really, but I have a book called Space Aliens from the Pentagon by William R. Lyne.
	L-Y-M-E?
	Yeah.
	Have you ever seen this?
	Well, tell me what it's about and I'll tell you whether I've seen it or not.
	It's subtitled, Flying Saucers are Man-Made Electrical Machines.
	Yes, I have seen it.
	The guy that lives in New Mexico, right?
	Yes.
	Yeah, okay.
	Yeah, it's very good.
	He misinterpreted my take on the thing.
	A lot of people do that because they fail to call me and ask me about it before they go off the deep end.
	But anyway, it's very good.
	And I highly recommend it.
	Yes, it's one of the most enjoyable books I've ever seen.
	It stands right along with yours as far as I'm concerned for the kind of a book that you can open to any page and you're hooked.
	And he's in Lamy, New Mexico.
	L-A-M-Y, General Delivery, Lamy, New Mexico.
	And the book is $17.95 plus postage.

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