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May 29, 1996 - Bill Cooper
01:00:38
Larry Becraft – King Assassination
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We have a special guest tonight, and we're going to be talking about something that most America has never heard of.
And doesn't, well, let me put it this way, probably won't understand it when they do.
But we're going to try to get it across as well as we can.
On the other end of the phone here we have Larry Becraft, one of the preeminent lawyers in this country, and he might argue that point, but within my circle of friends, he certainly Don't go away.
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Oh, I'm doing pretty good, and I'm so happy to have you as my guest tonight.
Pleasure.
We're going to talk about something that
You sent to me a couple of weeks ago, and I've had a little time to look over it, and also that there's a book that you want to talk about that's written by the lead counsel in this action, Dr. William F. Pepper from London, England, and the other attorney who's involved here is Wayne Chastain of Memphis, Tennessee, who's an associate counsel, and they are both working on behalf of James
Earl Ray, who is suing Lloyd Jowers, Raoul, and other unknown co-conspirators.
This name Raoul keeps popping up all over the place, and has for quite some time in some of the more despicable acts of the intelligence community, and in particular the Central Intelligence Agency.
Do you want to start out and tell us what this suit is all about, Laird?
Pat Shannon is a friend of mine.
He was telling me about two or three months ago about this lawsuit that had been filed in Memphis.
And it was some lawyers that were suing on behalf of James Earl Ray, some people that had set him up for the murder of Martin Luther King.
I happened to, after Bill Pash told me this bit of information, I happened to be Meeting a client over in Memphis back in the first of May or so.
So I went over there and I had two-fold purpose.
One, to talk with my client.
That's a criminal conspiracy case.
But after we got through talking I told my client we needed to run down time to the Shelby County Courthouse.
So I went down there and before I went I called Wayne Chastain to get the case number for this particular case and he gave it to me over the phone.
And I went down to the Chevy County Clerk's Office in downtown Memphis, Tennessee, and pulled the file, and sure enough, there it was.
And you open it up, and the complaint is on top, and all the other pleadings are down below it.
And sure enough, there is this lawsuit filed back in August of 1994, whereby James Earl Ray is suing this fellow by the name of Lloyd Jowers.
And another party that's named in the case is Raul Blank.
And that blank is there for a very specific reason.
But sure enough, there is a lawsuit that's been filed.
And sure enough, James Earl Ray is being represented by these two lawyers.
And sure enough, Lloyd Jarvis has been sued.
And sure enough, Raoul Blank has been sued.
And Raoul Blank has even gone out and got a lawyer to defend him.
Raoul Blank.
And you can see, I keep saying Blank, and maybe our listeners, the public will understand why I'm saying that.
That's probably his last name, B-L-A-N-K.
When you take a look at the face of the complaint, it's got Raoul, and then it's got a long line there.
And that's an empty space for his last name.
And when the lawsuit was filed, they didn't have conclusive proof about what his last name was, but since that time, they know who he is.
But still, nonetheless, none of the parties involved in the case has stepped forward and inserted, for the public record, his true name.
And they're still keeping it hidden.
I guess there's a gentleman's agreement among the the plaintiff and the defense not to reveal at this time who he is.
So his lawyer even files pleadings on behalf of this defendant in this case, and the lawyer files it.
You know, this is a brief on behalf of Raul Blank, last name unrevealed at the present time.
I had never seen that before in my life, and when I was reading through the response of Raul Blank, I was amazed to find that indeed in his response, every time his name is listed in this response, every time his name is listed in this response, his last name is not.
Yes, and Raoul knows that Pepper and James Earl Ray know who he is because they went to his house and had him served with a lawsuit.
So Raoul knows that they know.
And apparently there's, you know, while I haven't checked this out and confirmed it for myself, the only thing that you can conclude by looking at the file is the fact that there must, in fact, for whatever reason, you know, we're not privy to the reason why, but it's quite obvious that all the parties are agreeing that at the present moment they will still continue referring to this individual not known to us, but known to the parties, they'll continue referring to him as Lyle O'Brien.
Well, I think I have a suspicion as to why Raoul Blank doesn't want his last name known.
He was implicated in the Kennedy assassination and many other despicable deeds.
And people have been looking for him for many years.
And this is the first time that I've had any indication that anybody knew who he was.
All right.
Well, certainly Pepper found out about it.
Let me tell you a little bit about Pepper.
He, you know, if you read his book, he came out with a book recently called, it obviously couldn't have come off the press as soon as last November, I would think.
So it's a book that's hot off the press, the ink's just barely dry on the pages.
William F. Kemper is a man, I would gauge his age to be about 55, maybe 60.
But he was prominent back during the Civil Rights era, and if you read his book called Orders to Kill, he's got pictures in the middle of his book, and it shows him walking with Martin Luther King during a lot of the Civil Rights protests and things of that nature.
So here you have a man that is at least coming from the liberal side of the political spectrum, and he was closely associated with the Martin Luther King camp.
And I have always thought that, at least from the official line that was promoted by the King camp, that the King people probably accepted the party line about the manner and means of the death of Martin Luther King.
That's just what I lived under that presumption for a long time.
Maybe race was a factor in this, at least in the relationship, the reclaimed relationship between James Earl Ray and Martin Luther King.
But, you know, here you have this William F. Pepper fellow, who's an international lawyer, he comes from the Northeast, but he's a lawyer and he's really practicing international law, so he maintains an office in London.
But I was fascinated that somebody in that camp, a man of that caliber, But ultimately decide to go meet the man who had pled guilty to pulling the trigger and assassinating Martin Luther King.
But in any event, that happened.
And he was peppered when he went to see James Earl Way in jail, was accompanied by several prominent civil rights leaders.
And after that meeting, they came away with the firm, you know, they were convinced They had a firm conviction that James was innocent.
Now, subsequent to that meeting, let's change the scenario a little bit.
Let's move a little bit forward in time and deal with another patriot individual.
Do you ever remember a man by the name of Tupper Saucy?
Have you ever heard the name?
Yes, I did.
I've heard the name.
I don't know the person.
Tupper was a playwright, an author, an advertising executive from Nashville, Tennessee.
And back in the 60s and 70s, that's where he was living.
But in the mid, well, about 76 or 77, he left Nashville, he and his wife, Freddie, and they moved up to Suwannee, Tennessee.
And Tupper was beginning to get into, you know, the patriot movement at that time.
Of course, he followed up for 77, 78, and 79, he filed for dismissal with the income tax return.
So, you know, it's clear that by the time that Tupper moved to Solani that he was clearly and deeply involved in the Patriot movement.
But Tupper, back starting about 1980, he wrote a little book called Miracle on Main Street.
And that was a very simple book, yet it was written in such a manner that when people would read it, it would turn them into wild advocates for the Constitution.
The book was about Article 1, Section 10, Clause 1 of the Constitution, which says no state shall make anything other than gold and silver, coin, or tender and payment of debts.
That's what it was about, the money issue.
But, you know, it was written so well that, you know, I could give that book to people on one evening and they wouldn't know anything about this issue.
They would be paper money advocates and everything else like that.
But the following morning I would talk to them, and after they had read the book, I mean, wow, they were turned on.
So, you know, that's the type of individual that Tumper was.
He was having a lot of conventions in Suwannee, Tennessee back in the early 80s, and as a consequence, the federales had their attention drawn to him.
And so by 1985, the feds turned around and they charged Tumper with the crimes of willful failure to file income tax returns for 78, 79, and 80.
And that case is unique in and of itself, but... I got a neighbor of mine coming over here right now.
Bill, I'm standing out with... I hope your listeners don't mind the interruption here.
I'm standing out on the back porch here talking to you.
Tupper was prosecuted by the feds for the crime of willful failure to file.
And one of the things that he pulled was a series of stunts during the course of his case.
He would do things like get himself thrown in jail for contempt.
And one of Tennessee's most prominent inmates in the Tennessee penal system was James Earl Ray.
And of course Tupper's case was going on down in Chattanooga and Brushy Mountain where James Located is in the vicinity of Chattanooga.
So James became aware of the existence of Tupper Saucy.
So sometime about late 85, James sent his manuscript to Tupper and said, Hey, look, this is my story.
I want it published.
And he had a lot of confidence in Tupper's writing capabilities and stuff like that.
So, you know, my personal opinion is that that was a good selection, a good choice on James' part.
And so Tupper started to work, and he polished up James' manuscript, and he ultimately published by, you know, the early part of 1986, he had published James' book, and the name of that book was called Tennessee Waltz.
In that book, from James' viewpoint, this is the way the events transpired.
James was just a peeing thief.
He was back in about 67.
He was in prison in Missouri for some petty offense.
I think it was burglary or larceny or something like that.
Just a property offense.
Then he broke out of jail.
He ultimately worked his way up to Montreal, Canada.
There he met a shady fellow by the name of Raoul.
Raoul proposed to him.
Well, you know, if you want somebody to totally keep under your control, if you want somebody that's almost a slave, I would suggest that you become friends with somebody that recently escaped from jail.
They need you, right?
for money to get out of the country.
Well, you know, if you want somebody to totally keep under your control, if you want somebody that's almost a slave, I would suggest that you would become friends with somebody that recently escaped from jail.
They need you, right?
Sure.
Okay.
Well, that's what Raul did.
Raul employed James.
And, of course, James was sent all around the country by Raoul.
They sent him out to the West Coast, sent him down to New Orleans, you know, always to do something about gun running.
Well, according to James, the way he got set up was Raoul Right back in, you know, late March or early April of 1968, you know, Martin Luther King was killed, as I recall, April 4th of 68.
So somewhere, you know, within five or six days of that, Raoul and James were in Birmingham, Alabama.
And he, Raoul had James go to a place called the Arrow Marine Supply, which was a gun dealer.
You know, that's kind of an odd name for a gun dealer, but nonetheless, that was the name.
He sent James over there to buy a gun.
James bought the gun, brought it back to Raoul, and of course Raoul is going to be displeased with it because what he's wanting to do is he's wanting the gun seller to recall specifically that James bought the gun.
And the way you would do that is to make sure that the gun owner had a reason to recall James.
Once James brought back the gun that Ronald had really selected, Ronald said, no, I don't want that gun.
Take it back and get another one.
Well, there you have the offense.
The offense orchestrated in such a fashion so that... And to the gun dealer it was an offense.
Right, right.
Well, not an offense, but an event.
But recall, you know, this is extraordinary, out of the ordinary.
And so, you know, that's what happened.
Well, the next thing, Raoul moves on over to Memphis without James, and James takes about four or five days to fly from Birmingham to Memphis, but he nonetheless gets there about two days before the King assassination is scheduled to go off.
And on the day of the assassination, James met Raoul at the Lane Motel, and that is south of downtown Memphis.
The physical setting around it is, is that in the, you know, kind of in the vicinity of, you know, within eyeshot of the Lorraine Motel is the back side of a row of buildings in which there's one business establishment called Jim's Grill.
And next to Jim's Grill is a real cheap boarding house.
So James was supposed to meet Raul at Jim's grill and bring in the gun.
And, of course, he did that.
And then Raul told him to go upstairs to the boarding house and rent a room under a certain name.
And that happened.
And after all those things happened, you know, James was told, you know, just kill some time.
So he did.
And James' position is that, you know, he was out, he went to a gas station to get his leaky tire fixed.
And when he came back to meet Raul at Jim's grill, he saw a bunch of cops standing around.
So, you know, here he is, a fleeing felon.
And he thought the best thing to do was to leave the scene.
While he was doing that, within a short time while he was driving south out of Memphis, he heard that Martin Luther King had been assassinated at the Lorraine Motel, and that's when he begins to conclude that, hey, I think I've been set up.
So, to make a long story short, Ray went over to Atlanta, then ultimately went up to Canada, worked his way over to England.
Of course, he was arrested in England and extradited back to the United States.
James, when he was brought back into Tennessee to stand charges for the murder of King, he retained a lawyer in Birmingham by the name of Art Haynes, and Art Haynes is a good lawyer.
You know, back in those days.
I know he's retired now, but he was one of the Alabama Department of Attorneys back then.
But Art Haynes was going to take the case to trial, but right shortly before the trial was to start, James was convinced to drop Haynes and bring in the lawyer that he had, that ultimately persuaded him to plead guilty.
And so James, in essence, contends that he was set up to enter a guilty plea to the murder of King.
And, of course, his position was, hey, I'm forcing him to do this, I'll just plead guilty, and then a couple days later I'll start attacking the plea.
And that's what he did.
So, you know, it's quite obvious that James, in reference to his plea, had a different strategy other than what he's being forced to by his lawyer.
Well, you know, that's all that James knew.
And there were a lot of suspicious circumstances regarding the state's case.
The state's chief witness against James was a guy that was supposed to be drunk at the time of the King assassination.
So, just on analysis of the state's case, you can see that there's some real big holes in it.
Now, after Tupper had finished and published James' book under the title of Tennessee Waltz, that was about the time that Tupper had been tried and he'd been convicted on one of his income tax counts.
He was convicted on one out of three counts.
He appealed and the appellate decision came out in early 86 and Tupper was supposed to report to jail.
You know, in early 86, and that was just at the same time that James' book was going to be released by Tupper.
So, you know, Tupper ultimately fled rather than go to jail, and I think one of the reasons is that he was convinced that if he did go to jail, he'd be, you know, his life was in danger.
So, while he did get the book out, and while there was, it did reveal James' story, Because of what Tupper did, Tennessee Waltz didn't get much circulation.
It got some, but not enough.
So people really didn't hear the story of James Earl Ray because of these circumstances, unfortunate circumstances.
Well, about the same time or shortly thereafter, that's when old William Pepper decides to climb on board and start doing something for James.
And one of the things that he did was, is he started going out, you know, he re-examined the government's case, found the holes in it.
And then he started digging around and talking to various witnesses.
He learned that the gun that was supposed to be the murder weapon that killed King had never really been tested.
Uh, he found out that the state's witness, uh, that was allegedly gonna identify James as being the guy that was in the bathroom of this, this, uh, cheap boarding house that, uh, James was the man that opened the bathroom window out the back side of this, uh, boarding house and stuck a gun out it and waited for King to step out on the second floor balcony of the Lorraine Motel so that he could be shot.
That's the state's position.
This chief witness against James, even though he said all that, he said it because he wanted a reward.
But there was a number of witnesses that could justify that this fellow was drunk.
I remember that distinctly.
They did a television program about that within the last year.
Yeah, it was back in 93.
And that's part, Tapper was instrumental in that.
We'll get into this.
Later on, you know, in the next 15 or 20 minutes.
But, you know, the more that Pepper started looking around and started seeing holes, he came to the conclusion that, you know, if he'd keep at it, he would uncover some very important things.
Now, some of the things that were important, he ultimately determined, you know, the government said that the shot came out of the back of this cheap boarding house from a bathroom window on the second floor.
This Wayne Chastain fellow, who's the lawyer now on one of this, back at the time of the King assassination, Wayne was a reporter for one of the Memphis local papers.
And Wayne had gone up to that bathroom, and he remembered looking out of the bathroom and reached the conclusion that nobody from that bathroom window could see through the trees and the brush in the backyard to pull off a shot at King.
And so, you know, that, Wayne had always been convinced that it was impossible for the shooting of King to have occurred in the manner in which the government intended.
So Pepper and Wayne Chastain, because they both had an interest in this, it was natural that their paths would soon cross, and indeed they did.
So, you know, they found out, you know, one of the things they found out was, is that You know, while Wayne had seen the view from the back porch of this, or the back room of the second floor of this boarding house, had seen that there was trees that would prevent a clean shot at King, an amazing thing happened the following day after the King assassination.
The city of Memphis came along and cleaned out all the brush.
I mean, all the trees.
Well, now, you know, with the trees gone, who would believe that it would be impossible to shoot?
You know, the evidence of impossibility was removed.
And so they found out that interesting little bit of information.
So then they started running across people that were witnesses of one kind or another that saw suspicious people lurking around the Lorraine Motel.
And some people claimed that they'd seen a guy that was holding a gun in the bushes behind the Moraine Motel, and then they saw him walk off and jump off a wall and walk away.
And so, you know, there was enough there that if you kept looking over a period of time, you know, if you're just persistent, you're going to build a case.
And, of course, that's what Pepper did.
Ultimately, Pepper was looking at the owner of Jim's Cafe, this fellow by the name of Lloyd Jowers.
Now, Lloyd Jowers was just, you know, just your average type of guy, and all he did is he ran, he had two, you know, greasy spoons, so to speak, You know, just cheap little restaurants.
And one of them was the Jim's Grill, which was on the property adjoining the Lorraine Motel.
Soon, Pepper came to the conclusion that somehow, someway, Lloyd Jowers was involved in all of this.
Uh, he ultimately determined that Jowers had some waitresses.
Even though Jowers denied it, there were some late waitresses that worked for Jowers and they had worked for him on that day.
And, uh, ultimately Pepper was able to locate some of these and, you know, some of them said, hey man, something real suspicious happened that day.
You know, we don't know at all.
But, you know, there was some real suspicious scenario going on with old Lloyd Johnlers.
There was a bunch of shady people that came into the restaurant.
He was in and out and doing all sorts of things.
And so it looked like old Lloyd Johnlers was involved in this thing.
And then Pepper ran across a man that drove a cab and used to frequent Jim's Grill quite often and used to talk to this Lloyd Johnlers fella.
And he contended that on the day after the King assassination, Lord Jowers had showed to him a gun that was being kept underneath the counter at the Jim's Grill.
And Jowers told him that he had found this gun, and it looked like the murder weapon, and he picked it up right after the King assassination, out back behind his cafe.
And so now you've got a little lead in to indicating that, hey, this Lord Jowers fellow knows a lot more about what went on than, you know, he's not lily white.
He's got something to cover up.
He knows something.
He's also not the smartest guy in the world.
Oh, no doubt about it.
No doubt about it.
Well, either fortunately or unfortunately, you know, I don't know how to characterize it, but Jowers was, at the time of the King assassination, he was carrying on an affair with one of his waitresses.
Now, maybe it's unfortunate for him, unfortunate for us, you know, I don't know which, but in any event, Pepper soon found this lady, Betty, and he ultimately made a lot of promises to her and and he ultimately made a lot of promises to her and tried to protect her and everything else like that, and she indicated to him that
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Well, welcome back to the Hour of the Time, Mr. B. Craft.
Thank you.
Would you like to pick up and continue where you left off?
Well, Pepper was getting to the girlfriend of Lloyd Jowers, and he knew that she had a real important story, and while she wouldn't sign a real affidavit about what was going on, Pepper picked up on what her story and while she wouldn't sign a real affidavit about what was going on, Pepper picked up on what her story was, that she could pinpoint that Lloyd Jowers
And if Lloyd Jowers had a role in the assassination of King, James Earl Ray was innocent.
So what Pepper did is, you know, he knew that James had always wanted to have a real trial, and he contacted a movie production company over in London, England, and persuaded them to provide the funds for a, you know, in essence, and persuaded them to provide the funds for a, you know, in essence, a real trial of the case of They would go out and they would hire a real prosecutor.
And, of course, they did.
They hired, uh, Hickman Ewing, who was a former U.S.
attorney for the Western District of Tennessee.
Uh, Hickman Ewing, incidentally, is now working with Starr over in Little Rock, Arkansas.
And we know the results of that most recent Victory, I guess, for the American people.
I think that surprised a lot of people.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Me included.
Yeah, well, I think there's a real battle that's going on there.
You know, I think the plan was counting on his old boy network to protect him and his buddies and that didn't work.
I'm sure of it.
Let's get back to Ray.
So, Hickman Ewing was hired to be the prosecutor and the company was going to provide him with the funds to bring in experts to hire investigators To help present the government's case.
Of course, naturally, the state of Tennessee was going to work very closely with Hickman Ewing.
He had virtually everything that they had access to.
But then the production company was going to also fund the defense and provide them with money for investigators and travel and stuff like that.
So that was set up.
And they were even going to bring in a real judge.
They did bring in a real judge.
Some retired judge, federal judge out of I think New York to come in and settle the case.
So the only thing that was different about this case was the fact that it just simply didn't have the sanction of the state and it didn't occur in a real quote-unquote state courtroom.
But nonetheless it was fought for all practical purposes as a real case.
So once that agreement was achieved and the production company was funding this project, what they wanted to do was to film the trial.
And they were going to ultimately, the agreement was they'd film the trial and then they'd let the jury go deliberate, and they would obtain the verdict of the jury.
But then it wouldn't be revealed until a certain select night, and that would be April the 4th of 1993, what, 25 years after King was assassinated, the 25th anniversary of that.
And that was the plans.
So, you know, that's the way it came off.
But during the course of that investigation, a lot more information came out.
Pepper wasn't able to travel a lot more.
He was able to hire some investigators to do some running around to find out some very interesting things.
And, of course, ultimately, back in, oh, I think it'd be January and February of 93, they did have this mock trial.
James had to testify from jail.
And they did it with a camera.
He couldn't come into the courtroom, but you know, he was always present in the courtroom because of a video set up.
But James testified.
The government presented their case.
The defense presented their case, which included James testifying.
You know, they brought in a lot of people to testify about all the suspicious circumstances.
You know, that James wasn't there and that it looked like there were other people that were involved.
You know, when the jury went out after all this was over with, none of the participants knew what the verdict was.
And only when they aired it on April the 4th of 1993 did we ultimately learn what the verdict of that trial was.
And it was a verdict of not guilty.
So James had gotten his real trial, as close to a real trial as he could get.
It was presented.
By expert, you know, good lawyers on both sides.
You know, one was a government lawyer of the highest caliber.
And you know, we know what he can do.
He can convict Clinton's buddies.
That's what he just did.
Dickman Ewing.
So, now, as a result of all of that, you know, that gave a boost to the supporters for James Earl Ray to have a mock trial result in an acquittal of James Earl Ray.
But now things begin to get a little bit more interesting.
A friend of Pepper's had always indicated that there were some people down in Latin America that had a story to tell that was real important that related to the James Earl Ray case.
But they feared for their lives.
And so only through much coaxing, only through these guys being able to see what Pepper could and would do, Did Pepper acquire their confidence?
And so here's the story that these guys revealed to Pepper.
Now you can read the book.
All of this is in there.
But Pepper is continuing to protect these two gentlemen because some of their associates that participated in the same things that they did have been bumped off.
And so naturally they fear for their lives and for that reason Their names have been held in confidence, so they'll have an alias in the book.
But this is the story that these guys revealed.
That the government was real fearful of the King movement.
It took a lot of precautions.
It did a lot of snooping around.
It did a lot of eavesdropping.
It did a lot of tailing.
You know, it closely watched King while he was building up his civil rights movement.
But when King got involved in championing the cause of the Vietnam War, that's when things kind of came unglued in Washington, D.C.
And so the powers that be found that they would benefit if King were eliminated from the picture.
So what they did is that they did such things as this team of sharpshooters from the Army We're trained in Pocatello, Idaho, and these teams would divide up into three groups, and the three groups would pick a target.
You know, let's say that you're out in the middle of a field, and you're going to do some sharpshooting, and you know, you've got a space of a thousand yards between you and The whole purpose of all this is to have three teams focused in on one target and pull it off so that things click.
So they practice using three teams.
This particular group of teams was sent, after they did this training, they were sent around to follow and tail various civil rights leaders.
And one team, at one point in time, I forgot the particular place where this occurred, but one team came real close to shooting Martin Luther King.
One of the participants said, I had King in my crosshairs for a body hit.
And of course, he didn't pull the trigger just right then, and somebody else came into the line of vision, so King wasn't shot on that time.
Ultimately, the government did show up on April 4, 1968.
This team came out of Camp Shelby in Mississippi.
They got up early in the morning.
They drove up to Memphis, Tennessee, got into downtown Tennessee, and then about 1 o'clock in the afternoon, two teams were stationed in two different spots in the immediate vicinity of the Lorraine Motel.
One team was located on top of a tall building.
It's a railroad building, say within 500 or 1,000 yards of the Lorraine Motel.
We're not shooting this.
Sure.
I can't gauge distances.
Well, most people can't.
Right.
But they were on the roof.
And they had a leader for each group.
And they would communicate by means of walkie-talkie, and so somebody would be constantly looking at King to come out of the hotel.
And the sharpshooters, one was stationed on top of this eight-story building, and another one was stationed inside of a water tower, also in the same vicinity.
But you might ask, you know, gee, that's only two groups, and it takes three to be a team.
And here comes Raul.
Right, right.
It all falls into place.
It sure does, especially since Raul has been named as being involved in the Kennedy assassination.
Yeah.
This is what these fellas down in Latin America who fear for their lives say.
They were on the roofs.
They had orders to kill.
And that's where Pepper gets the name of his book.
They were stationed there and they had orders to shoot Martin Luther King and Andrew Young.
And they were to do it at any moment.
They stepped out of the hotel to do something like get into a car or whatever.
It was very fortunate that King, on the occasion when he got shot, just happened to step out on the balcony and stand there for a long period of time.
But these guys had King and Young in their scope, and they were sitting there waiting for the orders to kill to come over the walkie-talkie.
But then some other shot rang out, and King fell.
So the third member of the group was successful in bringing down King.
And so the government had a direct involvement in all this.
Pepper's ultimate conclusion is that whereas a hit team like this that has three prongs, so to speak, the government only sent two prongs on this occasion.
Well, it takes three to tango in this instance.
Well, the government had contractually arranged through a private intermediary, of course Pepper condenses the mob, needn't prove it.
The mob went out and hired the third man, and that third man was Rahul.
Now why would the mob have an interest in killing Martin Luther King?
Well, Pepper can show government agents talking to... Pepper located the driver of one of the... Joey Banano or something like that, one of the New York mobster types, this driver Yeah, it's not a surprise.
you know, this guy's still alive today.
He's got religion.
So he spilled the beans to pepper that he drove one of these mob bosses to a meeting in upstate New York where they met with a bunch of government types that promised to pay them big bucks to eliminate King.
Well, it all falls into place.
Yeah, it's not a surprise.
What I was fishing for was the relationship between the intelligence community and the mafia.
Going back to actually before World War II.
Well, they've done many things.
I don't think there's been any relationship.
I think it's a marriage.
I think the mafia took over the government.
Is that your view?
Well, it's a way.
But it's a different kind of a mob to which they all belong.
But you're right about the marriage.
And that's been going on for an awfully long time.
a certain way and if the government does it the same way, I think they're all mob operations.
Well they are, but it's a different kind of a mob to which they all belong.
But you're right about the marriage and that's been going on for an awfully long time.
Not only between the intelligence community and the mob, but in Europe there was a relationship between the mob, the Vatican, and the P2 Lodge, propaganda too.
And And these nefarious relationships and connections between the underworld and supposedly legitimate government organizations is what throws a lot of people completely off the track when they go looking for these things.
And they attribute certain deeds to people who probably were involved, but that's not where the ultimate blame really lies.
And that's a big problem, isn't it?
Yes, it is.
You know, I think for your listeners, I think one of the things that needs to be done, this book that William Pepper has, you know, I'm just campaigning the cause.
You know, I'm interested in James.
I like him.
You know, he's just a cheap crook, I guess.
But, you know, he's an important national figure.
And he's important in the sense that he was set up.
Yes.
And now William Pepper has proven it in his book called Orders to Kill.
And he's got everything documented.
It's kind of a lengthy book.
But I would think that a lot of your listening audience would benefit by getting this book.
It's going to be an education.
And once they get educated about this particular matter, we need to, you know, increase the public awareness of the government's involvement in this.
And once you get people acclimated to this kind of a thinking, thinking in terms that the government can do this, then they will be receptive to other similar operations and they can see them.
Let me give you one example.
Are we not seeing at the present time a state of burning black churches?
Yes.
You know, this happened in the past.
It happened here in Alabama.
It's called the Birmingham Church Bombings.
Back in the early 60's.
Do you know, you know, hey, we can, for something like the Oklahoma bombing, we can arrest within 48 hours the culprit.
I mean, not just, you know, a hit and miss.
I mean, absolutely, first thing out of the chute, arrest the guy!
Within 48 hours!
Yet, for the Birmingham Church Bombings, There was never anybody that was prosecuted and convicted for the church bombings back in... And, of course, the same thing's happening right now.
But you told me today that there was one arrest.
Yes, yes.
And there was one conviction, but it was not for the bombings.
Okay.
And I think that once I tell you the circumstances of this case, it adds a whole lot of credence.
It generally points the finger in the right direction of who was really behind the Birmingham church bombings of 30 years ago.
The one arrest, prosecution, and conviction that was related to these cases was a black man.
That black man saw some law enforcement officers toss a Molotov cocktail or some type of a bomb into a black church.
And he picked up the phone and called the cops.
And he was arrested.
tried and convicted for the reprehensible crime of filing a false government report.
Which report?
Doesn't that say too much?
Yes.
And it says an awful lot.
It says too much, in fact.
So, you know, there's a lot that's happened in America.
There is a lot that will happen in the future.
And people need to become receptive to, aware of some of these little factions, some of these little events that help point the finger in the direction of who is really pulling off these events.
We've got to increase public awareness about the situation involving James Earl Ray.
And once that happens, I think we'll be entering into the next level of the battle against the government.
Yes, that's one of their goals.
And they're very clear about that.
that wants to reduce this to a bunch of slaves.
Yes, they do.
Not only that, they want to destroy this country and create something bigger, of which this will just be a small part.
Oh, yeah.
Eliminate a lot of the population, too.
Yes, that's one of their goals.
And they're very clear about that.
They don't hide any of this.
And that's the worst thing about it, in my estimation, is that none of this is hidden for anybody who really wants to do the research and look.
And it doesn't really take a whole lot of effort, but it does require that people get up off the couch and at least march down to their library once or twice a month, or like order Dr. Pepper's book and many other things.
And that's very difficult, for some reason, for some people to do.
And that's got to change, Larry.
And how do we get these people to change those kinds of habits?
How do we get them to change?
I don't know.
That's the secret I'm looking for.
But this I do know.
There's too many American men that don't have any guts.
There's too many American men that have a Yellow Street down their back a mile wide.
By golly, I'm so happy to hear you say that.
Oh, I mean, that's bad state of affairs.
Yes, it is.
But let me just tell you, you know, if you could read Pepper's book, and let me just tell you, there's a parallel between the Civil Rights Movement and what we're going through.
And if we don't learn the lessons of the Civil Rights Movement, they were effective.
They had the government.
Quaking in their boots.
And we can do it too.
Yes.
And all it's going to take is people that are willing to stand up.
It doesn't take a hero.
You don't have to be trained to be, you know, some Superman to do it.
All you have to do is say, I've had enough and I want to reclaim my country.
And we need more people that are willing to get up off of a, turn the boob tube off, and get up and stand for America.
I want us to go out to America and have our message so persuasive, so true, so intriguing, and we go out there with such a missionary zeal that within the next couple of years, we bring the great body of the American people over to our side.
We can do it!
We have to do it, Larry, because two years is about all the time that we're going to have to do it.
And if we haven't accomplished something major during that time, I'm very fearful for my children and grandchildren.
Me too.
So you started off the show.
I think you had your daughter on.
Yes.
I have a girl that will be Christian.
She'll be eight in the morning.
So I just wanted to bring that up.
I wanted to tell her in the morning that I said her name over the radio.
Well, that's wonderful.
Pooh will be six in the morning.
So, we'll celebrate for yours, too.
Good.
You get yours at six in the morning?
Yes.
Oh, hey, that's interesting.
That's why I said tomorrow's her day.
She has to go get some sleep.
Okay, good, good, good.
Well?
Well, Bill, it's been a pleasure to be on your show.
And I certainly thank you very much.
And you're an eloquent storyteller.
Unfortunately, this story is true, and folks, within the next few broadcasts, I'm going to read to you verbatim these transcripts, the transcripts of the preliminary statement filed by James Earl Ray and his legal counsel, and also the answer, the response of defendant Raoul Blank.
Well, that's just one of them.
I just, when I was over there, Bill, I just saw that and said, out of the ones I just picked, I said, I want one with Raoul Blank on it.
So you're just getting a snapshot there with that one.
Well, great.
It's a lot.
Wait till you hear it, folks.
Good night, and God bless each and every single one of you.
If tomorrow all the things were gone I'd work for all my life And I had to start again With just my children and my wife I thank my lucky son
To be living here today But the flag still stands for freedom And they can't take that away And I'm proud to be an American Where we be sad over the tree And I won't forget the men who died, who gave that right to me.
And I'll gladly stand up next to you and remember to this day.
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