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Oct. 25, 1994 - Bill Cooper
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UFO #1
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Well, we talked about something interesting last night, and that was this UFO thing, and whether or not extraterrestrials are real.
So tonight, let's get into this heavy duty.
I want to hear from you folks.
Right off the bat, I'm going to ask you, who's involved in this?
Who is Donald Francis Ecker III?
Who's Vicki Cooper?
Who is Stanton T. Friedman?
Who's William Moore?
Who's Jerome Clark?
Who are these people?
Have you ever bothered to ask?
Have you ever done any research to find out if they're for real?
Or if they're frauds like most of the other scam artists in the country?
Well, we're going to find out tonight.
If you ask the right questions, I'll give you the right answers.
And if you've got some knowledge, you can give some answers too.
So, let's go folks.
Don't leave your radio because tonight's going to be interesting.
I can guarantee it.
The number, folks, is 602-3212.
That's 602-337-2524.
Subject tonight, and I want you to stick to it.
If you don't, I'm gonna hang up on you, UFOs.
Are extraterrestrials real?
If they're real, are they here?
Do they represent a threat to the Earth?
Should we all come together in a one-world government to oppose this threat?
Well, if you can't hold on, folks, don't call.
You're just wasting our time.
Number 602-337-2524.
And the subject tonight is UFOs, extraterrestrials.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Yeah, it is.
Good morning.
You have a point there.
It's like they lead us along at the end of a string.
Are they true or are they not?
Yeah, and you never get any answers, do you?
That's right.
And they keep talking and writing about tons of proof, but you never see any, do you?
You've got a point.
Because there isn't any.
Do you know who any of these people are that are spreading all this stuff?
Some of them are innocent, you know.
I started out revealing information that I'd seen in documents while I was with the Office of Naval Intelligence that I quickly, quickly began to believe was false, and that I was supposed to help spread this stuff.
Okay.
Now, one thing I'm wondering, you probably know the show host.
Have you heard of Harder?
Chuck Harder?
Chuck Harder?
Yeah.
Do you think that maybe he's being led along to it, or do you think he... I'm just asking.
Oh, shoot, that's right, you don't... I don't know.
Chuck Harder is the reason why I'm on radio, as a matter of fact.
Chuck Harder called me back in 1988.
He had heard that I had written a paper about UFOs.
And he called me and wanted me to send him a big packet of information, which I did.
Never heard from him again.
He used a lot of the material in his For the People magazine.
Never called me again, never talked to me.
And then I get a call from him, all of a sudden, one time, wanting to know why I'd never sent the information.
And I had sent him a big, giant stack.
And I knew that he had published some of it in his little magazine, but anyway, just to be a nice guy, I told him I'd send it again, so I sent it again.
And I don't know whatever happened to that package, because I didn't see any of that used in his magazine, or his little newsletter.
Then, all of a sudden, I kept hearing him on the radio telling people that I was crazy and all this kind of stuff, and he'd have other people on, and he'd always bring the subject around to me.
I called him one time and said, hey Chuck, what's going on?
You don't know me.
You haven't read my book.
You haven't attended any of my lectures.
And he says he didn't want to read my book.
He didn't want to attend any of my lectures.
I said, well, listen, you've been bad-mouthing me pretty good on your show.
How about giving me ten minutes just to give my version?
Ten minutes won't hurt you at all.
He said, and I quote, we don't want your kind on my show, end quote.
My kind is the kind that says, hey, this could be a scam.
This could be leading us into world government, and we better be careful.
I know he talks down the world government quite a bit, and it does appear that they're using any way they can to lead us up to a world global market, religion, and as such.
That's right.
Also, the alien scam was one of the proposals outlined in the report from Iron Mountain.
It was a report on the probability and possibility of permanent peace.
And we found reference to it going all the way back to 1917, and I believe I talked about John Dewey's speech in New York in 1917.
We believe that the Mercury Theater broadcast of War of the Worlds by H.G., by Orson Welles, and the Mercury Theater was a test of the hypothesis to see if the people would buy an alien invasion, and they did.
Orson Welles is related to H.G.
Welles, who wrote a book in 1939, I believe, called The New World Order, where he also proposed the same thing.
In the 80s, they had a, they kept on showing the warnings.
Where a supposed terrorist organization constructed a nuclear device that they were gonna blow up at a pier.
I wrote in my book that they were gonna do that.
Yeah, and there were people that was actually calling into the networks.
Is this thing for real?
Yeah.
And it was like they were on purposely constructing a hoax that they said was a hoax, but to see how many people believe what they've seen on TV.
Well, you see, I don't think it's a hoax, because I think that they're preparing the people for it.
They've been telling us that nuclear weapons have been stolen from the Russian arsenal.
Not really, but I appreciate your program, sir.
Thank you.
Thank you.
602-337-2524.
Who's Don Ecker?
and Iraq has atomic weapons and Iran has atomic weapons and India has atomic weapons and they're telling us that terrorists have penetrated the United States and they may have atomic weapons.
But let's get back to our subject.
Do you have anything else to add?
Not really, but I appreciate your program, sir.
Thank you.
Thank you.
602-337-2524.
Who's Don Ecker?
Have any of you really checked this guy out?
Do you even know who I'm talking about? - No.
Call in if you do.
602-337-2524.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Mr. Cooper.
Yes.
I had an interesting experience back in 1979 or so.
Jay Allen Hynek came to Texas Tech and gave a speech about flying saucers.
He never said they were real or not real.
They let us ask questions at the end.
And I spent the whole show trying to think of a question.
And so I came up with a simple one.
I'd like to know what you know about Maurice K. Gissup.
He asked me to spell the name.
I did.
He said he wrote a book and had his opinions.
Next question.
And I thought that was interesting because to me, that's one of the best stories and it doesn't get much airplay.
It's an interesting story.
I'll grant you that.
I don't know if it's one of the best or not, but there's some good stories involved with UFOs.
I'll tell you that.
Your book is fascinating.
Everybody out there should get it, because it's amazing.
It's the most intense book I've ever read.
Everything I've ever studied is in there.
It's amazing.
Well, I had a head start.
I got to see a lot of things when I was with Naval Intelligence that most people would never dream of in their life, and that set me on the path.
I can imagine.
Well, keep up the good work.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you for calling.
Who's Don Ecker?
Who's Vicky Cooper?
Who's this guy, Stanton T. Friedman?
Who's William Moore?
What are they doing?
Good evening, you're on the air.
Yeah.
How are you doing tonight, Bill?
I'm doing fine.
Do you want me to play that record again?
Oh, please don't!
But the previous thing that you were stating in yesterday's program as well just opposes very nicely with an old Outer Limits movie where they took a guy who is a Major Patriot involved in the military and they turned him into some kind of snorting snail or whatever from outer space and they shot him up in the air and crashed him down in Central Park or whatever and the whole world went, oh my god, what is this?
And they gave his wife a nice pension.
Yeah, and that's exactly what they're doing.
I wouldn't doubt that, but back in the 60s they didn't have the biological research to do it now.
Oh, they didn't need to.
Back in 1947 they fooled people by shaving monkeys, cutting off their tails, cutting off their ears, performing some surgical intervention on their facial features, stacked them up beside some old pieces of tinfoil and stuff, and a lot of people thought that they were dead alien bodies.
Wow, gracious goodness.
Hey, I got a question at you.
It's a little bit out of the program here.
Nope, let's not get out of the program.
Just a little bit.
Nope, let's stick to the subject.
Thanks for calling.
Sorry folks, we're going to stick to the topic tonight.
I'm tired of having a topic and having everybody that calls talk about something else.
If you don't want to talk about the topic, don't call.
Nothing personal, folks.
This is just the topic tonight.
Everybody... I've had hundreds of calls and letters asking me why I never talk about UFOs.
Well, now we're talking about it, so let's talk about it.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Good evening, Bill Cooper.
Yes.
Douglas MacArthur was a high-ranking Mason, is this correct?
Yes, he was.
I've played it on this show.
Yeah, saying that the next war would be an interplanetary war and everybody says it was a slip-up of an old man.
Maybe not, huh?
I don't think it was a slip-up at all.
I think it was intentional.
I think the remarks made by Reagan were intentional.
Nothing accidental about it.
Okay, thank you.
You're welcome.
Yeah, folks.
They've been trying to rule the world for a long time.
If we're not careful, they're going to do it.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Good evening, Bill.
I've been wanting to talk to you for a while.
I think you're on the right track, my friend, but the thought here is, have you considered that the UFO conspiracy is actually a play for demonic forces?
What do you mean by demonic forces?
I'm stating to you that we are going down the path towards a known Armageddon, and the way to convince people... Wait a minute now, you're getting out into the same realm as the UFOs and extraterrestrials.
It's about one world government here.
Well, wait a minute, what's a demon and what's an Armageddon?
Okay, well, a demon, of course, if you believe in God, a demon is...
Now, wait a minute.
Demon has nothing to do with believing in God.
I believe in God.
I can see the proof and the verification of a God everywhere.
But I've never seen a demon in my life.
All right.
If you can believe in God, then you have to believe in the opposite.
You have to believe in Satan.
Right?
No.
Why not?
Well, let's take it to a point that Christians don't like to talk about, and other people don't like to talk about, and the followers of the Nation of Islam don't like to talk about.
If God is God, then God created everything, didn't he?
Indeed he did.
Isn't one of the Christian doctrines the fact that God created everything and preordained everything that was going to happen from the beginning?
Well, now, Christians don't believe that he preordained it.
I hear it every day on television.
Ha, ha, ha.
Well... I hear it from Pat Robertson.
I hear it from everybody.
My understanding from the incredible amount of scriptures that I've studied is that he sees things as they roll along.
Yes.
He knows.
He has the foreknowledge to know who is and who is not and how history is going.
But he left the free will aspect in there.
Good for you.
Okay.
That gives you a lot of credibility.
Alright.
Now the thought here is, and just a small one, but The thought is, and there are a lot of Christians starting to come around to this, is that UFOs are an invention designed to delude the masses into believing the New Age views that are being espoused.
And that the whole thing is a sham, but that they are led by demonic force.
Let me give you what I think about the demonic force thing.
I think if God created everything, then everything that is resides in God from the beginning.
It couldn't exist if it was not a part of God to begin with.
I, in my own studies and my own experience, have never seen evidence of demonic forces or devils or anything like that.
What I have seen is evil emanates from man.
Whenever evil is committed, it's committed by man, against other men, against nature, against animals, against property, against whatever you want to call it.
But it's not some outside force.
It comes from within man.
Man has good inside, man has bad inside.
As opposed to the humanist, a solid study of the basis of the whole thing will teach you that man is basically evil, and that it is only through the interposed objection of God that we rise above the natural.
But we are not basically good, as a lot of humanists would like you to believe.
No, I don't think we're either basically good or basically evil.
But there are a lot of people in this world who have existed who have never known God, never been taught anything about God, never saw a Bible, don't know anything about Jesus Christ, who were good people.
But how did they come to that good?
I have no idea.
But it wasn't through knowledge of God or Jesus Christ or being saved or from reading the Bible.
In fact, some of them believed in rocks.
Now, first off...
But anyway, that's not the subject.
We're getting off base.
The reason we got into this is because... UFOs.
Yeah, UFOs, and you propose that they're a demonic force.
Well, you may turn out to be right.
I have no idea.
I know that they're real.
I know that at least some of the technology belongs to humans of at least three or four different nations.
And whether or not extraterrestrials are real, I don't know.
The universe is too big for me to even venture to get into the realm of guesswork or speculation, which I don't like to do anyway.
The chances that if they were real they could find this Earth amongst the billions of stars that exist out there is pretty slim to me, but not beyond the realm of possibility.
All right, one more point.
I went to Palomar Mountain and met George Adamski in the fifties and found him to be a very cunning con man.
And I have known a number of so-called contactees over the years.
And I believe that, again, you are on the right track.
I believe that we are being set up.
There's no doubt about it.
As for what's causing the setup, my own belief as a Christian is that it is being used through a satanic force.
But nevertheless, the results are the same.
It is an illusion, and it is out there to captivate you, and to get you ready for what they're planning.
Well, I think that much you're right.
As far as a satanic group, I will agree with you on one thing.
The group that's bringing about the New World Order believes in Luciferian philosophy, which, from a Christian viewpoint, is satanic.
Indeed.
And as an ex-Mason, for Jesus, I know of a number of groups.
But, of course, there's one central group that plays a theme throughout the whole thing.
And which group is that?
Well, it's not the Rose Kroy.
Spit it out.
Who is it?
I'll let you spit it out.
Pardon?
I'll let you spit it out.
No, you brought it up.
Who are you talking about?
I've talked about all of them.
You're safe on the show.
Nobody knows who you are.
Well, that may not be entirely true.
Let me give it some thought, because that's one I don't like to deal with.
I'm still vulnerable in the position that I am.
Well, figure out a way to disguise your voice and call us back some night.
I'd be interested to hear your views.
I'll do it.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Thank you for calling.
602-337-2524 is the number.
Well, that was an interesting phone call.
I wished he had followed through with what he was talking about.
In fact, let's make a rule.
If you're going to bring something up, follow through with it.
I realize that some things, if you talk about them, could endanger some people's lives, especially if you were in the midst, so to speak.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Hi, Bill.
This is Joe from Ramona, California.
Hi, Joe.
Glad you're talking about this.
I've been wanting to ask you some of these questions, too.
As for the last man on the air, he could send you something in the mail like I've done in the past.
Sure.
I'm glad you're talking about this because... Excuse me, I'm a little bit nervous.
You know, I listen to a lot of radio programs, and you know I've listened to the one in Las Vegas.
And some of that stuff scares the heck out of me.
And I'm searching for answers and truth and stuff.
Well, it's designed to scare the heck out of you.
They want to scare the heck out of you.
Well, I always try to look at both sides of something.
And what I've thought is, being that they can't give us the evidence, or haven't given us the evidence yet... Oh darn it, I lost my thought.
Don't be nervous.
I can't bite you through this microphone.
I don't even know who you are.
I don't know where you're at.
That's alright.
Nobody else does either.
You're safe.
Relax, talk.
Okay, what it is is I look at both sides of the issue and I've been hearing so much, so many volleys of this different aspect of these things coming to earth and getting people out of their beds at night and stuff like that.
That part of it might be true in a small instance, but I think you're right that they are leading us in and more and more people start listening to this stuff.
They want to scare the heck out of us.
You're seeing more and more of it on TV, little Sure.
I know exactly what you're saying.
Sean Morton?
Let me tell you something.
think you're right.
They want to scare us so that we all come together when we see the big image in the sky or something like that.
You know what I'm saying?
Sure.
I know exactly what you're saying.
Sean Morton, I don't know if he's credible or not.
Sean Morton?
Sean Morton.
Let me tell you something.
When I lived in Camp Verde in 1989, Sean Morton called me up.
When he called me up, he played this guessing game.
I don't know.
I was supposed to guess who he was.
Well it turned out that he claimed that he was the son of Satan and he was supposed to be a big expert on UFOs.
The truth is he didn't know anything about UFOs and he didn't know very much about Satan either except that he said he was the son of Satan and that his father was coming back.
Now he claims to be a big prophet and predictor of earthquakes and all that stuff.
Sean Morton is a phony.
He claims to have a college degree which he does not have.
He's a fraud.
I've gotten to the point now where I've removed myself from being a perfect sheeple and after I listen to someone like that, I try to tear them apart in my mind because I have no way of contacting them.
I really wanted to and I don't want to waste my time on people like that.
Yeah, that's the wrong place to be putting your time anyway.
That's true.
I mean, anybody can predict an earthquake in California.
I predict there will be an earthquake in California tomorrow and I can already tell you that I'm right.
Well, we know that there's going to be one tomorrow.
Yeah, and there's an earthquake every day in California somewhere.
This is true.
I know you want to stay on the subject, and I'm glad you're bringing it up.
Oh, by the way, that Linda Moulton Howe, I read that part in your book, and she seems to have the same thing every week with her report, and nothing seems to change.
No, and that's usually when you can spot a scripted scam.
I used to really think a lot of Linda Moulton Howe because she seemed to be the only one who was really looking at it objectively.
But after you listen to her for a long period of time, she's not, really, at all.
And in my investigation, I found that Moulton and Howe, both of those names, are famous names in the halls of the Masonic temples.
So she has that background in her family and the same with a lot of these people.
Didn't you say one time she had roots back to Franklin, Ben Franklin?
The other night did you say that or did I mistake that?
I don't remember to tell you the truth.
By the way about the traveling man, I had a man ask me that two years ago and after you mentioned that the other night it racked my brain trying to figure out where it happened.
And once he asked me about, do you travel to the east?
Well, that's the part where I screwed up.
Because I didn't know.
I said, yeah, I've never traveled past the Rockies.
We've also found reference of Jacques Vallée, supposed to be the great objective scientist in all of this.
Every time he writes a book he has a different hypothesis to keep people good and confused.
We have a photograph of him sitting in a sort of a mystic light with his hands arranged in a triangle around one eye and the other eye is covered And we also have documentation that he used to attend Alistair Crowley parties every year on the birthday of Alistair Crowley.
Was he famous?
Along with Robert Anton Wilson and many other people.
Well, I'm going to keep listening and I'm enjoying your show and hope some more interesting people call in.
Yeah, me too.
I'll be writing in.
I've got a tape of Sean Morton if you want to hear it.
No, I don't want to hear Sean Morton.
The first time I heard him was enough.
Well, he made reference to you.
Oh, he always makes reference.
They all do.
They hate my guts because I expose them.
Well, the only thing, he didn't say anything bad about you.
Well, that's a switch.
He usually does.
Well, maybe he's trying to get back in with you or something.
Who knows?
Well, I gotta get back to my brash polishing.
Okay.
Take care.
Thank you, Bill.
Thank you for calling.
602-337-2524 is the number.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Yes, good evening, Bill.
How are you doing?
Good.
I heard you, I think I heard you correctly, Stanton Friedman?
Stanton T. Friedman, yeah.
Right.
He happens to live in my hometown, and I want to ask you, who is this guy?
All I know is he says he's a nuclear physicist, and I have him on video on a local public access channel, an hour-long interview regarding UFOs.
And what do you know about him?
Like I said, he lives in my hometown.
I've got his home phone number right in front of me.
Where do you live?
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada.
Yep, that's where he lives, all right.
Yeah, and he's a very accessible person.
He makes himself very accessible.
Oh yeah, it's his job to perpetrate the alien threat thing.
And after every one of his talks, he gives a little speech about how we all have to come together as one world to face this.
And then he always says, who's going to speak for planet Earth?
He sure does.
He is one of the main players.
He says he's a nuclear physicist.
But aside from his own resume, we can find no No proof that he's ever been a nuclear physicist, except what he writes on his resume.
We know for the last 25 years he has not been a nuclear physicist.
He has been a wandering UFO minstrel.
Well, that's a good point, because I asked him personally, myself, what his credentials were, and he dropped names of NASA, GE, a lot of satellite programs.
Well, the thing is, see, when you call those people, they say they never heard of him.
Yeah.
Huh.
That's interesting.
He himself said it to me.
I have a copy of his resume and his curriculum vitae and all of those things and everything that he claims that he did.
We've made calls to many of those companies who all claim that they don't know who he is.
That's interesting.
Bill, I've got to tell you, I appreciate your show.
It's great.
I've read your book.
parts of it many times.
It's just tremendous reading.
And I sure appreciate what you're doing.
Well, thank you.
Okay, have a good night.
Now remember, folks, it seemed very sincere to me.
And just before you go, I'd like to share with you my story.
I walked out one morning, about 2 a.m.
Stanton T. Friedman, you've got to remember that he claims he worked there many, many years ago.
So it's very possible that whatever his employment records were are locked in some vault or maybe have even been destroyed.
Who knows?
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Mr. Cooper.
Yes.
I'm honored you took my phone call, sir.
I'd like to share with you my story.
I walked out one morning, about 2 a.m. in the morning, and looked up in the sky, and I saw this giant silver disc that was hanging up there and had a bright, washing, white light to it.
It was a tremendously white, washing light just penetrated right through.
I kind of felt like a nightcrawler on the ground, if you can picture that.
And what I was looking at, it was just tremendous size.
It was like a medium piece of hell of arm's length, if I could say that.
Yeah.
And it knocked me to the ground and it said to me, telepathically, I guess that's the word.
Anyway, it said, uh, don't be afraid because I was just cowarding.
I mean, it was tremendously fright.
I was frightened.
And it said to me, uh, don't be afraid.
Everything will be okay.
And then, uh, I don't know how long it was.
I got up off the ground.
I walked to my friend's house and I was like, uh, weeping and, uh, I was like, I felt like I was having a nervous breakdown or something.
He threw me out.
I went to my mother's and, uh, my dad and mama got them up.
It's about two a.m.
in the morning.
And she explained to me when I was eight years old, She had saw a similar craft.
Now, since then, I have collected every UFO film I can find.
Every bit of literature, all these years I've put into it.
And I've, you know, I've heard many stories, just like the one I've told you.
And, uh, uh, I don't know exactly what it is.
First of all, when you say UFO, that doesn't mean a flying saucer.
That means anything in the sky that you can't identify.
That goes without saying.
UFO means Unidentified Flying Object.
Absolutely, but everybody... But most people who see something in the sky that they can't identify equate it with a flying saucer, whether or not it's a flying saucer.
That's correct, and that's where you get a lot of misinformation about reports.
But what I saw, I swear to you... Oh, you don't have to swear it to me.
I saw something very similar to what you saw.
It was going in and out of the ocean when I was on a submarine in the Navy.
I wrote about it in my book.
That's great.
And also, when it was knocking to the ground and it said, Don't Be Afraid, it filled up a tremendous amount of information in my mind.
I don't know how to explain it, but every question that I had inside myself was answered that evening.
And it took a while for me to grow past all that, but it was a life-changing experience for me in many ways.
Well, I'll buy that.
It certainly changed my view of everything.
Now that I've learned that they have, I'm talking about the New World Order and all that, we get right back into that.
The thing we have to be careful of is just because you saw this thing and just because you believe or actually did hear in your mind what you thought or what really may have been from this thing does not make it extraterrestrial.
The CIA has all the technology to be able to do every bit of that.
Yes sir, I appreciate the fact you brought that up.
It's only been the last few years I've been studying hard enough to realize that they have that technology now.
Yeah, also the Russians.
In fact, the Russians may have developed it before we did.
See, so I'm not aware of what I saw.
That's why I just expressed exactly what I saw and what happened to me.
However, in my mind, it was something from another universe.
That's what it came to me.
That's what I thought.
However, after researching it, Long and hard all these years, it could be something man-made and made to look like it came from somewhere.
Yeah.
Thank you very much, sir, for accepting my call.
Thank you for calling.
Yes, sir.
Art, it could have been a very sophisticated hologram accompanied by an electronic mind control operation using microwaves and many other things that have been developed, that's documented.
There's no doubt about it.
It's scientific fact.
It's been written about.
It's come out in hearings in Congress.
So, we have to be very careful what we believe when there is technology that exists that can make us believe whatever somebody wants us to believe.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Good evening, Mr. Cooper.
This is Mike in Michigan.
And a friend of mine, a good deer hunting buddy, we were just out deer hunting here about a week and a half ago.
And, uh, he's a retired Chief Warrant Officer in the Army.
You saw a fireball?
No, uh, we were just sitting around a campfire and he was talking about what he saw in Southeast Asia.
Oh, well, don't, don't give me a second-hand story.
Okay, I can't... Have him call.
Oh, okay.
Second-hand stories are rumors as far as we're concerned here.
He's a pretty steady Eddie, but, uh... Yeah, well, have him call.
Okay.
We interrupt this record to bring you a special bulletin.
The reports of a flying saucer hovering over the city have been confirmed.
Okay, you've got a great program.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.
Thanks for calling.
Don't go away, folks.
We'll be right back.
We interrupt this record to bring you a special bulletin.
The reports of a flying saucer hovering over the city have been confirmed.
The flying saucers are real.
Real, well, I feel what my heart can't conceal.
That was the Clatters recording today.
Too real.
We switch you now to our on-the-spot reporter downtown.
Come on, baby, let's go downtown.
Take it away, John Cameron Cameron.
This is John Cameron Cameron downtown.
Pardon me, madam, would you tell our audience what would you do if the saucer were to land?
Duck back in the air!
Thank you.
And now listen, gentlemen there.
What I'm gonna do Is hard to tell.
Uh, the gentleman with the guitar, what would you do, sir?
Take a walk down the wooden street.
Thank you.
We'll return you now.
This is Brat, your outer space disc jockey, with a request for Earth.
Earth Angel, Earth Angel.
That was the Pelican's outer space recording, Earth.
I've just been handed a bulletin.
The Flying Saucer has just landed.
We switch you again downtown.
Uh, here we are again.
We have with us Professor Cedric Fentingmould of the British Institute.
The professor is approaching the saucer to see if there's possibly any sign of life aboard.
But I'm sure something... Are you there?
I hear you knocking, but you can't come in.
That was Laughing Lewis' record, Knocking.
This is John Cameron Cameron on the spot.
And now I believe we're about to hear the words of the first spaceman ever to land on Earth.
And now here are the ball scores.
The impact of seeing the first spaceman has this reporter reeling.
Here I go, really.
That was the Clatters again with their big one.
Ha!
Oh!
This is John Cameron Cameron again downtown.
The spaceman has returned to his ship and is taking off.
We return you now to our studios.
The Flying Saucer has gone.
There is no threat of an invasion.
However, the flying saucers are still around.
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Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob.
Yes, we are.
The Flying Saucer has landed again.
Washington, the Secretary of Defense has just said... Is that a shame?
That was Skinny Dynamo's record.
That's a shame.
This is John Cameron Cameron Part 2.
Gathered around me are several other spacemen.
Tell us, have you come to conquer the world?
And now would you repeat that in English?
Don't want the world to have a home.
Hey, why don't you go back where you came from?
Don't be angry.
We return you now to our studios.
Here is a news item from Washington.
The president has just issued a statement to the spacemen, and we quote... That was Pa Gherkin's record, Shoes.
We switch you again, Downtown.
This is John Cameron, Cameron, Downtown.
Uh, Professor Zizek of the British Institute, tell us, how were the saucers able to land?
Where do you see... That was Huckleberry's recording, The motor cooled down.
This is John Cameron Cameron again.
I believe the spaceman has a final parting word.
See you later, alligator.
We return you now to our studios.
The spacemen have gone again.
But look to the skies.
The saucers will always be there.
Goodbye, Earth people.
How about that?
Good evening, you're on the air.
Hey, where do you get all this stuff from?
Oh, I got tons of stuff.
I love music.
That's one thing I love about your show there, Bill, is all the... Stuff you never hear anywhere else.
Never hear anywhere else.
That's exactly right.
Bill, Ezekiel in the Bible talks about something that appears to be flying saucers.
Not if you understand the symbology.
He's talking about Jehovah or Yahweh.
Right, right.
And the way he's coming down.
If you go to the concordance and look up the Hebrew and the Greek and stuff, where it says wing, it actually means edge.
There's stuff like that.
I didn't want to dwell on that.
What I'd really love to talk about is Chuck Harter, but I really wanted to skip over to Matthew 24, 30.
where it talks about, then shall appear.
Can I read this?
Is that all right with you?
Why don't you just make it quick?
Okay.
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and glory.
I think that's the key to all this UFO scare, is to try and unite the world to fight the return of Christ.
You think so?
Well, be careful now.
Be very careful.
Because everybody's saying that he's coming, right?
The Bible says when everybody's saying that he's coming, he's not coming.
Okay, I want to ask you about that.
I've heard you say that one night I was half asleep and I heard you say that.
Yeah, go read your Bible.
When everybody's saying he's coming, he's not going to come.
He's going to come like a thief in the night.
Yeah, right, right, right, right.
I know that.
Christians don't like to hear that, but it's true.
Oh, no, no.
I want to hear the truth.
Whoever comes is going to be a scam.
Right.
Exactly.
But you're all going to believe it's Jesus, because that's what you want to believe.
Right.
You got it.
Then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man.
But nobody's going to know that's what it is.
Everybody's going to mourn.
My gosh!
If Jesus was coming, we'd all be happy, wouldn't we?
If we were mourning, it's because it's a scam.
Or we're being scammed, you know, to think that it's not.
Even the elect.
I really think that's what Well, I don't think he's coming.
He's not coming.
I'll bet you I'll be right.
I didn't say never.
I don't know if he's ever coming or not.
I don't even know if he ever lived.
the return of Jesus.
Well, I don't think he's coming.
He's not coming.
I'll bet you I'll be right.
Never?
I didn't say never.
I don't know if he's ever coming or not.
I don't even know if he ever lived.
There's no proof that the man ever lived.
Religion is something that you have to believe in by faith because there is no proof for There's no proof for life after death.
Well, I'll just hang up on you.
How about that?
You see, people can't have an intelligent discussion.
I don't care what you believe.
I'll fight for your right to believe it.
But don't get mad at me when we're talking truth here.
I didn't say Jesus didn't exist.
I said I don't know if he existed or not.
Neither does anybody else.
If you believe in Jesus Christ, you have to do it as an article of faith.
If that makes you mad, screw you, Jack.
Don't call me anymore, because you're going to get a dose of the truth on this show, whether you like it or not.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Yeah, Bob from Syracuse.
Hello, Bob.
I was watching CNN a little earlier, and I see our president is a traveling man, traveling in the east.
What I really called about was Area 51 out west.
Is it still active?
Are there things going on out there?
I haven't been out there since I did Project Red Light 2.
Okay, so you don't know anything about any current activities then?
No.
You see, I go to discover something.
Once I discover it, I'm not interested anymore.
I know the answer to Area 51.
They got flying discs out there.
They belong to the United States government.
They're made by human beings.
I don't know if there are pilots inside or they're remote controlled.
They can do amazing things.
I have filmed them.
I've spent weeks out there watching them fly.
I've been hassled and had every kind of confrontation with the goons out there that you can dream of.
I've had the sheriff out there haranguing me.
I give him an autographed copy of my book and tell him to get lost, and they usually do.
Well, thanks a lot, and good evening, good show tonight.
Thank you.
602-337-2524.
You know, it's amazing how many people want to stay in their scam world.
Don't want to know the truth, don't care about the truth.
Jesus is coming to save you.
And for another group of people, the extraterrestrials are going to come and save you.
And I'm telling you right now, ain't nobody going to save you but you.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Mr. Cooper, John in Texas.
How are you doing?
You seen Ben Carrizozo lately?
Pardon?
Been out to Carrizozo lately?
Nope.
It's like Area 51.
I saw what I wanted to see.
What do you think about the big push on the movies lately?
The Puppet Masters and the Stargate that's opening up this weekend?
Well, I don't know.
I haven't seen them.
I'll know better once I see them.
Usually they're to indoctrinate the public and something.
Well, it seems like they're making a full court press.
Yeah, that seems like it, but like I said, until I see the movies, I really can't comment.
I understand.
Well, the X-Files, you know, they're showing the little greys on there lately, so getting everybody in the mainstream up to speed.
Oh yeah, they're pushing the alien scam really hard.
Well, I just wanted to touch base with you and just ask you if you've seen those movies, so... Not yet, but I intend to.
Alright, sir.
Take care.
Thank you for calling.
Well, I guess nobody knows anything about Don Ecker or Vicki Cooper or Barry Taft.
How about him?
He's a good one.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
I was wondering, whatever happened to Chief Quartermaster Quintero and the captain of your sub and Geronimo?
Did you ever talk to these people?
No, I never saw... I did see Geronimo once, uh, not too long after I left the Tairu.
They ran aground on a reef in the South Pacific in, uh, in an attempt to, uh, to run a line over the reef.
Geronimo broke his arm, and I saw him at Pearl Harbor.
I guess about, oh, a year after I left the Tyroo.
And we had a couple of beers and talked about the old days and what we saw, and I've never seen him or anybody else again.
So did he think it was, I mean, a flat-out flying saucer?
Did he think he was seeing things?
Well, it was a flying disc.
They're not saucers.
They're disc-shaped craft.
And yeah, he saw it.
Okay, well, did you ever get copies of the pictures that... Oh, no.
No, the captain took those, and I don't think he ever saw them again, either.
Okay, I'm curious.
How do you think they're powered?
Because it just seems like they create an awesome magnetic field.
I have no idea.
Anything that I would say would be a guess.
Okay, and you wouldn't like to offer that?
No.
Speculation gets people in trouble.
If I speculate on it, tomorrow the rumors will be flying across America that I said UFOs are powered by this, and it'll be quoted as a fact.
Okay, well, alright then, thanks.
You're welcome.
Bye.
Bye.
Yeah, you guys don't know how the enemy works.
They'd do anything to discredit me.
I have to be very careful.
Very careful.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Hello, Bill.
How are you?
Am I on the air, really?
Yeah, you're on the air.
Oh, good, good.
I can't quite figure you out, Bill.
It's very interesting.
I have rifled through your book and Learned a lot of good information from it.
You say a lot of things that I can't quite pinpoint where exactly you're coming from.
I do want to stay on the subject.
What do you feel about, you seem to believe that there are definitely extraterrestrials and there are extraterrestrial craft.
No, no, no.
I don't know if there are extraterrestrials or not.
I don't know if there are extraterrestrial craft or not.
I know that there are strange flying objects in the sky that, according to what we're told about science, is not supposed to be made by humans, but once you begin to delve into what they've developed in secret, Right.
They, at least some of them, are developed by humans.
Right.
And either flown with somebody inside or flown by remote control.
We don't know that, but we know that they belong some to the United States, some to the Soviet Union, some to Canada, and probably Great Britain.
Right.
So, I mean, the massive wave of sightings, I mean, there's so much information that is out there.
These people are not having a mass hallucination across the nation.
Around the world, I don't believe.
Something is going on.
That's why we're talking about this.
Exactly.
I see a lot of emphasis put... I happen to believe they're true.
In fact, my spiritual awakening, so to speak, began when I began to have a series of sightings that I couldn't explain aside from... Have you been to Disneyland lately?
Do you live in California?
No.
Have you been to Disneyland in Anaheim?
No.
You should go.
I haven't in the last ten years.
You should go because they have the most amazing...
Amazing, absolutely incredible holographic display in the sky every evening.
And this is just Walt Disney with some cheapy stuff.
Right, right.
Just think what the government could do all over the world.
Right.
Well, that's possible.
I haven't subscribed to the notion that, you know, we are this little planet in the distant edges of the galaxy, but I don't for a moment believe that there isn't another star system out there somewhere that has intelligent life.
It would be more correct to say that it's possible because of the vastness of the universe, but you don't know that to be a fact.
I don't know that to be a fact, no.
I think a lot of what's being portrayed is that if they do exist, and we are being conditioned for something, I mean TV, advertising, everything is conditioning us to perhaps Except more readily the possibility that something exists beyond our world.
And in movies, it's everywhere.
But there's a lot of emphasis also, like the Fire in the Sky movie even.
It was portrayed as the most hideous, horrible experience.
Have you ever... And there's a lot of factual information that was left out of that movie.
Wait a minute, there isn't any factual information that was left out of the movie, and the movie was total fantasy.
I interviewed Travis Walton personally.
He lives less than 30 minute drive from me at this very moment.
You know what he told me?
What'd he tell you?
He said he didn't see any spacecraft.
He didn't see any flying saucer.
All he saw is a brilliant white light in the woods.
Kind of a bluish white light.
Right.
He got out of the truck and started walking toward it.
Next thing you know he felt like he'd been hit by a ton of bricks and he woke up a week later laying by the side of the road.
He said he only remembers one thing in between that time.
A bright light and a feeling like he was suffocating.
All the rest of it is fantasy.
The boys in the truck didn't see a spacecraft, or a flying saucer, or a UFO.
They saw a bright light in the woods.
They saw something flash, and they saw Travis Walton fly through the air and land on the ground, and they got scared and left.
So who is creating... I mean, it wasn't Hollywood that took this little simple incident and created the whole scenario.
I mean, where is all the rest of the information before that made the movie coming from?
Did he think it up?
No, Travis Walton told me just exactly what I just told you, and I aired his interview on this broadcast.
So who's got all the filler that's out there?
You've got to call them.
Call the people who made the movie.
Find out.
I don't know.
All I know is it's a lie.
It's a fantasy.
Interesting.
Well, what I was getting at is I see the whole enigma being portrayed as a very sinister thing, and you have some good points, and some other people mentioned it, too, and I thoroughly believe that It is a way, and perhaps very soon, but before the turn of the millennium, that it will be something.
They're building it up and they're giving it a very negative feeling in the minds of people, that they're gonna... We must have an enemy from outer space to justify coming together in a one-world government to oppose this threat.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And I also subscribe to the belief that there not only are beings out there that don't have our best intentions in mind, But that there are others that are here to help us develop, and they have, and that's what they do, is they help underdeveloped planets go through incredible transitions, which is what we're going through right now.
Wait a minute.
What proof do you have for that?
I don't know.
It's just a faith thing, just like you said.
All religion, all beliefs, it's based on faith.
Okay, so it's a religion.
Not to buy into this fear-based reality that the aliens are going to come destroy the world.
Well, it's no different to buy into the other reality that says they're coming to save us.
Aren't even to help us.
You don't even know if they exist.
And already you've got them helping us.
Right.
Right.
I mean, how come they didn't go feed the people in Somalia?
They probably can't interfere.
Who have they helped?
If they can't interfere, how can they help us?
Energetically, perhaps.
Well, we're running out of time.
Thanks for calling.
Okay, Bill.
Thanks for your time.
Sorry for the coughing, folks.
I'm coming down with some respiratory stuff.
And what usually happens when I get this is I lose my voice, so... I don't know.
You may hear some reruns.
But I'll try not to do that.
602-337-2524.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Oh!
Wonderful, I made it.
Well, I just wanted to acknowledge out to everyone who's listening that Bill acknowledged Area 51 Many years before I say it was officially announced through the SPIN article of earlier this year and also Popular Science magazine.
I don't know, maybe about four or five months ago.
And the kicker, at least for me, was when it made it to CNN, Larry King, not a few weeks ago, to make it official.
I think you're the only one that ever has.
Everybody else credits Bob Lazar, who had nothing to do with it.
I give you the credit for getting it out there.
Well, thank you.
And also...
I think you're the only one that ever has.
Everybody else credits Bob Lazar, who had nothing to do with it.
Right.
But it's...
But he's the spin doctor for the other side, so they have to give him the credit.
And speaking of spin, because that's sort of one of the focus of...
I'm glad we're talking about this, is the X-Files.
And especially this season, just the spin they give to... You've got to make it real quick, we're running out of time.
Keep us confused.
We never know if it is the alien or if it is the military.
And back and forth, back and forth, and they always keep us hanging, and they're really I'm glad I got in.
the show this season very intense emotionally, you know, to suck us in, but just won't give us the answer and just keep us confused.
And so that was the second point that I wanted to make.
Great.
And I'm glad I got in, and thanks a lot.
Okay, folks, and make sure you're here tomorrow night.
If I can still talk, I'll tell you who.
Tomorrow night, I will tell you who Donald Francis Ecker III really is.
I will tell you who Vicki Cooper, the editor and publisher of UFO Magazine, really is.
And I'll tell you a lot about a whole bunch of other people like John Lear and Bob Lazar.
So, don't miss it.
Be a good broadcast.
Good night.
God bless each and every one of you.
I am glad I have smelled her.
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