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Feb. 18, 1994 - Bill Cooper
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Sheriff Mack
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This is the power of the dark.
Light power over perversion.
The power of the dark.
Soul power over perversion.
The power of the dark.
Soul power over perversion.
The power of the dark.
Soul power over perversion.
The power of the dark.
Soul power over perversion.
The power of the dark.
Soul power over perversion.
The power of the dark.
you You're listening to the Hour of the Time.
You're listening to the Hour of the Time.
I'm William Cooper.
During the early portion of the Hour of the Time this evening, which was heard by everybody,
all of our listeners on the East Coast and around the world, we had a guest who has decided
to draw the line exactly where it should be drawn, right on the doorstep of the Constitution
of the United States of America.
Either it exists and it's real.
Or it has been subverted, and in fact has been replaced by the United Nations Charter, or we're going to find out just exactly what the status is.
As the events that have taken place recently have upset so many Americans, one man has decided to challenge the system And we're going to be talking with him in just a few minutes.
Make sure you have pen and paper by your side, and make sure you have a clear head, and you're ready to hear some truth.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for Under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, to the republic for which it stands, One nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
The pledge of allegiance to the flag and the pledge to the ideals of our forefathers.
The men who fought and died in the building of this great nation.
It's a pledge to fulfill our duties and obligations as citizens of the United States, and to uphold the principles of our Constitution.
And last but not least, it's a pledge to maintain the four great freedoms carried by all Americans.
freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom from war, and freedom from fear.
I'm a citizen of the United States of America and to the world it responds with, oh, it's the same.
One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
From the beginning of this great nation, the men who have been involved with its founding and with protecting it all
these years have been rugged individualists who were not afraid to take on whatever establishment, whatever
organization, or whoever challenged those ideals and those principles upon which this country was built.
Bye.
I have on the other end of this telephone line here, a man who has certainly filled the shoes that were left that all of us should be occupying, but in reality only a very few ever step out to do what is needed, what is necessary, in time of trouble, in time of need, in time of challenge.
It's not easy.
It never has been.
If you look back through the history of the United States of America, you'll see that our founding fathers were actually traitors to the country that they opposed.
The men who followed were rag-tag frontiersmen who didn't have much, but built a nation.
We sent men off to fight in various wars.
Many of them never returned.
And for the most part, nobody knows most of their names.
But they were all willing to stand, take that stand, draw the line, and take on all comers, simply so that the rest of us could enjoy the fruits that this nation produces.
What are they?
How many of you really realize that in the entire history of the world, no man or woman had ever stood free on the face of this earth until our Constitution and Bill of Rights were penned by the hearts and minds of our founding fathers?
Everyone was owned by a sultan, an emir, a king, a queen, some despot somewhere.
God has always claimed ownership of everything, including their subjects, their people, until this nation was founded.
And even today, folks, even faced with the loss of our freedoms and those that we have already seen fly out the window, and I'm talking about the entire Bill of Rights and I can prove that statement, we are still the freest people on the face of this earth with the most opportunity Living in the most affluent country that has ever existed, we have the greatest military might, yet we are slipping backwards in the course of man's evolution, backwards from the penultimate achievement of all mankind's striving upon the face of this planet, back into slavery.
For things keep progressing as they are, we will soon be owned once again by someone or some government or some thing.
Our special guest tonight is Sheriff Mack of Graham County, Arizona, who has decided to draw the line when he heard about the passage of the Brady Bill.
Sheriff Mack I want to welcome you back for the second hour of the hour of the time and I'd like you to start just where we started before and tell our listening audience who you are and where you came from and how you got to be in the position that you're at and then we'll go from there.
Hey thanks Bill.
Yeah.
I apologize again for my voice.
I'm losing my voice.
I've got a little bit of a sore throat and a cold but I'll do my best.
I grew up in Arizona in Stafford.
I went to school there.
I graduated from high school in Stafford, Arizona, a small farming community in southeastern Arizona.
I attended junior college there, also a community college, and graduated from there.
Then I went and finished my schooling up at Brigham Young University in Utah.
While I was there, I applied for a part-time cadet job at the local police department in Provo.
I did that while I was working my way through school and I graduated and I moved home for a short time and then applied as a police officer in Provo City and started work there in 1979.
During the next ten years I served as a patrol officer, as an undercover narcotics officer,
as a sergeant, corporal, front desk sergeant, detective, school officer, youth officer,
and vice officer, and hostage negotiator.
In 1988 some friends and family members started calling me and asking me to move home to run for sheriff.
And they finally convinced me to try it.
And in May of 1988 I moved home, won the primary election in September,
and won the general election in November of 1988.
And then I was re-elected as sheriff in Grant County in November of 1988.
I wish him all the luck.
I just entered my sixth year as sheriff.
I'm married and I have five beautiful children.
Right now I'm in Phoenix because my son is playing in the state basketball playoffs here
for Thatcher High School.
Wonderful.
I wish him all the luck.
I hope he wins.
Sheriff, one thing that I know everybody out there is noticing is that you do not sound
at all like the typical portrayal of a county sheriff that people normally would see on
television.
Why do you think that is?
Well, probably the main reason is because I'm not, I guess.
I'm 63, weigh about 215, still quite athletic and involved in sports and the like and stay very active.
I'm working out with my wife.
She teaches aerobics.
And so I stay pretty healthy that way.
And I'm also the youngest sheriff in Arizona.
I'm 41 years old.
Well, do you think that there's a conscious effort on the media's part to portray a county sheriff as being some kind of a stupid, bimbo, bubba type guy?
Well, that's certainly how they've been portrayed in the news media.
And so I think that It kind of goes back to the old western days.
Somebody told me that when I first took over as sheriff that I didn't look very much like a cowboy.
So I didn't know you had to be a cowboy in order to be sheriff.
I certainly didn't know either.
But point of fact, a county sheriff is the most powerful law enforcement person in the country.
Isn't that true?
Yes, I've been told that.
anything specifically in writing and if you have something that documents that I have I have what read one book, but
It basically goes back to common law instead of something that's
more concrete for today's skeptics
Well, I think in our research in in the law of each state It places the county sheriff in the penultimate position of
the of being the man And I think that's accurate and a fair statement.
very few sheriffs being as their elected officials really noble all
uh... enough to be able to understand it and the pent-up liabilities for their own power
goes uh... which would you
argue or against that
uh... no i think you're right uh... i think that's accurate
fair statement i noticed a lot of people who are doing it debated quite a bit
but i think the reason that the sheriff is such a powerful position
is that primarily performing his duties as a law enforcement officer
head law enforcement officer of the county is that he only reports
to the people who elected him who are his boss
And in that regard, he is given great latitude and flexibility in what he does.
And I think that's exactly the way law enforcement was supposed to work in this country along with what's called a fully informed jury that judges not only the facts but the law.
So that a rogue legislature could not pass laws that the people would not agree were fair and just in their communities.
The reason we have juries and the reason we have different assignments and checks and balances and separation of powers is that each entity who has sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution is there to make sure that every step of the way all the way from the law enforcement officer filing a complaint all the way down or up to the jury and through the lawyers and through the judges and through the prosecutors and through every step of the way I think that each government entity is making sure that the rights of the citizens are not being violated.
Now, just for the benefit of our listening audience, you're not new to this job, but you're not one of these guys that have been a sheriff forever and thus are exercising some kind of a tyrannical control over your county.
How long have you been the sheriff of Graham County?
Just a little over five years.
And, you know, I've always picked or had questions about people who question the authority of a sheriff or a sheriff who's been a sheriff for many, many years simply because, as you stated earlier, the sheriff is elected by the people and he could not occupy that office if he did not have the mandate of the people.
Right.
That's exactly correct.
So that's extremely important.
Now, also people across this country, and I know a lot of people in my radio audience are asking this question because I get a lot of letters about it.
They say, Bill, if these law enforcement people are really loyal Americans, how is it that they can violate the Constitution on a daily basis?
Most people don't know very much about law enforcement and most people don't know anybody in law enforcement unless they happen to get stopped and get a ticket or they live next door to somebody.
And there are only so many next doors to go around.
So can you talk about the oath that law enforcement people take and what it's supposed to mean and what in fact it really does turn out to mean?
I'm one who says if the oath of office doesn't mean anything, well, then let's quit taking the name thing.
But to me it does mean something, and it's the same oath of office that every public official takes.
It's almost the exact same oath of office that the President of the United States takes, wherein he raises his right arm and swears, in the name of God, that he will uphold and defend the United States Constitution.
And in most cases where you're elected in a state or county, They'll say also, it says, a poll to defend the Constitution of the state of Arizona and its bylaws.
And that you swear to that in the name of God, in front of witnesses and in front of the entire community at times.
And to me, when a public official, especially a police officer who is on the front lines and protecting the citizens and their rights, This should be something that is his motto, that it's his mission statement, that it's his banner that he carries with him when he works and that he will make sure that he is protecting the rights and protecting the sanctity and safeguarding the peace in the community and making sure that he does everything in his power to make sure that the good common ordinary citizen
I don't know about thickly populated areas of the country, but I know in rural areas the law enforcement official that people know the best and the most is their county sheriff.
And since they elected the county sheriff, and he is one of them and usually has a business in the county somewhere, people are not afraid to go talk to the county sheriff.
But if you get into a city, Well, I think it's two reasons.
I remember when I was a kid my parents taught me that the police officer was my friend and
that if I ever got in trouble or felt scared or got lost to go to a police officer.
I don't know anybody today who is telling their children that anymore because most people
are afraid of the police.
Why is that Sheriff Merrick?
Well I think there are two reasons.
Recently I attended some training that addressed this issue and the commissioner of New York
City was asked a similar question just like this and he said that one of the biggest problems
facing the image of police officers throughout America is that American communities are being
patrolled by strangers and it's very difficult to go to a stranger and ask a stranger for
help.
And like you alluded to the county sheriff is in a rural setting and most people know
him and he is a friend of the people within the community and they know they can depend
on this person.
If you get into a major city where you have 20, 30,000 police officers who don't take
the time to get to know the people in their area, you're not going to have a good relationship
between the community and the officers.
It's very difficult for them to gain a relationship of trust between each other.
And that's why now there is a new emphasis within the law enforcement community in the
United States called community policing where the police officers are being trained in new
philosophies and a new idea, if you will, regarding the emphasis of law enforcement.
And that is it's trying to create a relationship between the police and the citizens in order
to enforce the law together.
And I do support this philosophy primarily because it does get law enforcement officers
off their high horse and get them down into the communities and actually helping people
with their problems and not just out chasing the bad guy.
Okay.
I would support that too if I were able to see it at work.
But unfortunately I don't see that at work too much.
What I see and what I hear, when we're able to get copies of memos and police training curriculums, what we see is officers being taught that the public is their enemy.
Yeah, especially when they're right out of the academy.
We've had a problem with that.
Someone in Arizona had some other chiefs talking to me about that also, that when the officers are right out of the academy, you know, they're really gung-ho on writing a bunch of tickets and stacking charges.
And what I've told my officers is that anytime you have any dealing with people in the community, and after you've finished with them, you better be able to get back into your car or walk away from them saying, I just upheld my oath of office.
I just protected the citizen.
I just served the public.
If you can't say that, then you better go and do what you just did.
Well, that used to be a motto.
I can remember when the motto of the police was to protect and serve.
We don't see or hear that anymore.
Well, you still hear it, but it's not what's happening.
I'll guarantee you that.
We as police officers need to lead the way in getting back to the basics and getting
back to the fundamental principles upon which our job was based in the first place and that
is to protect and serve and to make sure that the rights of the people are being safeguarded.
You know it's really strange to hear you refer to yourself as we as police officers because
I know myself and no one else that I know of would associate the county sheriff with
your standard police officer.
There is no comparison in my estimation.
In the way that you deal with people, in the way that you approach people, in the way that people feel about you.
I know that all law enforcement people, just like all engineers and all of any kind of trade, you feel a certain kinship and closeness with each other.
I understand that.
You have to work with each other.
Sometimes you have to depend upon each other for your life.
But there really is a distinction between the two and the distinction is quite a gulf between them.
And perhaps that is one other thing we as a law enforcement community need to change and address.
And really I do know for a fact that there are a lot of major cities, police departments that are going to this new That's good.
I'm personally familiar and aware that it is happening and it has encouraged me a great
deal to be honest with you.
Well that's good.
Have you ever thought about maybe getting some police officers out of the city and into
the country to ride around with the sheriff's deputies for a while where you stop and say
hi hey and you know how's your new cap and stuff like that?
I suggest that to my officers but I haven't suggested it to the city officers in our jurisdictions
at this point.
In our jurisdiction, however, though, the police departments are all very small and really quite rural.
Everybody, including the city police departments, pretty much know each other.
What do you think about small cities, and we've got another half hour to go, so we've got plenty of time to talk about our main subject, which is coming up right after the break, folks, so don't go away.
But what do you think about these real small towns that, for the number of population in the town, they have an inordinate number of police officers patrolling the streets?
Is that necessary?
Well, I don't know if it's necessary to know each individual city.
Well, for instance, where I'm at right now, it's a very, very small town, and I'm not going to name the town because I don't want to embarrass anybody and make anybody feel bad, but I could go down to the Circle K right after this broadcast and there will be three police cars, city police cars, not highway patrol, but city police cars sitting there with two police officers in each one of those cars, and I doubt if there's 2,500 people in this whole town.
Most of those cities should just combine their efforts and there should be just under the sheriff's office.
And the reason being is that they would save a lot of money and a lot of taxpayer money and it would be much more efficient and money saving if they would just have one department.
Well I tend to agree with you and I think that somebody needs to start looking at these things.
We're moving toward a police state instead of dealing with our problems in the home.
In the school, in the community, somebody is looking to deal with it at the wrong end of a nightstick.
And that's not going to be the solution to our problems.
In fact, I can assure all of you listening and anybody who doubts it that the American people can only be pushed so far.
They're proud people and they have a long history of independent individualism.
There will be a point where they will say no this isn't going to happen anymore and we don't want to reach that point do we?
I've already reached that point.
Well you've reached it in a way that is far from the point that I'm talking about.
I'm talking about some people just getting disgusted and saying hey we've got to get rid of this like old Mal said.
All power emanates from the barrel of a gun.
The purpose of this program is to wake up enough people so we never reach that point.
Right.
And I agree with you.
Sheriff Mack is suffering from what I just got over with, folks, and that's why you listened
to reruns for about two weeks.
I lost my voice and was hacking and copying and everything else.
You're going to be okay.
I think I yelled too much at myself at the basketball game.
Well, that's a good place to yell.
Before the break, we've got about, oh, maybe two and a half minutes.
I'd like for you to just talk about law enforcement from your perspective.
I've asked all the questions that I wanted to ask and sort of get your opinion on for our listeners.
And I'd like for you to fill this time until the break with just your concept of maybe what's going wrong and maybe what we can do to right it and what the citizens can do to help because a lot of people out there want to help do something and they don't know what to do.
I think that's a very valid question and a point at the same time.
Citizens have to be involved in their police department just like parents should be involved
in what's going on at their schools.
Families and parents should be involved in what their local police department or sheriff's
office is doing.
They should call and ask if they can go riding along.
Most police departments and sheriff's offices as we do in our community have ride along
programs.
I know that about a year ago I gave a talk at the women's club in Safford and the subject
of personal safety came up and about ten of them asked if I'd take them out and teach
them how to shoot a gun.
And I did that and some of these ladies were extremely afraid of guns and so I was able to go out there with them and I recommended that they take a class in firearms.
And see this is what law enforcement should be like.
It's a partnership between law enforcement and the people and they should all be working for the same common goal and that is to preserve the peace and make our communities so strong morally.
That prostitution and drugs and gangs simply cannot survive in them because of the strong moral fiber we have worked to achieve between the two of us, that is the citizen and the police officer.
This is really the answer.
We keep trying to make the law.
Every time something goes wrong, everybody starts screaming, let's make a new law!
We need a law!
Well, there ought to be a law, dammit!
And that's not the thing.
We need to go back to the basics.
There is already a law, the supreme law of the land, which is the Constitution.
And if we will simply abide by it and work together to make sure it is being upheld and protected, then our communities will be strengthened.
Our communities will be strong because our families are strong.
And we have got to support and promote Strong family values and that promotion and perpetuity of family strength needs to happen within our law enforcement and governmental entities.
And if we will do that, we will become stronger and we will beat this domestic enemy that's trying to control and destroy our Constitution.
And you called it right.
It is a domestic enemy and I want to compliment you on the fact that I wasn't expecting you to say what you just said.
The answer is, truly, to go back to the basics because that's how law enforcement began in
this country, as partners with the local citizenry.
And if the law enforcement officer found himself backed up against the wall, the citizens came
to his aid.
He also lived in the community and knew everybody there, and he knew that he had to live there.
No matter what he did, he had to face those citizens so he could not do them wrong.
And we're getting away from that.
People move around in this country so much, and from city to city, nobody knows anybody, nobody cares about anybody, and nobody thinks about anybody, basically, except themselves.
And there's one other rule, one other law, besides the supreme law of the land, and that's the supreme law of the universe.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
We'll be right back, folks.
don't go away.
Oh!
Oh I'll be my place.
Land where my father died.
Land of the pilgrims' pride.
Well, folks, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is not all that has been subverted
or turned under the soil.
Done away with, you might say.
Our coinage has been debased, and if you take a dollar bill out of your wallet and look at it, you'll see that It says Federal Reserve Note.
A note, if you look up the definition, is an instrument of debt.
It says someone owes somebody some money and is not itself money, nor does it serve as currency.
Currency is a substitute for money which can be exchanged for the real thing, the real money.
If you take a Federal Reserve Note to your bank and attempt to exchange it for real money, they will laugh at you.
They will take the note that you give them and they will give you another one just like it in return.
We are headed for a fall.
It is of the utmost importance that all Americans who are now sheeple, asleep, covered in the wool of apathy, ignorance, and complacency, you must stand up, you must throw the wool off from around your eyes, you must once again be able to see,
as real American, it's not enough to parrot the ideals and principles, it's not enough
to say that you're for the Constitution.
Indeed, most Americans don't even own a copy of the Constitution and don't even know what
it says.
So when they lose another right, Creator-endowed right, I might add, given to us by God and
protected by the Constitution, a document created by man from the union of several states
for their mutual benefit and protection.
Thank you.
When these freedoms are taken away, if you don't even know that you had them, you will never know when they are gone.
There will come a point, ladies and gentlemen, where everyone will look at each other and We've been had.
It's the same thing that happened in Germany.
There was one day when everybody looked at each other and said, We've been had.
We have no more freedoms.
We have no more anything.
Our children are spying upon us.
Our neighbors are spying upon us.
If we just look funny one day, we could be dragged off by the Gestapo and no one will ever see us again.
Well, there is an end to this, you know.
We could short-circuit it literally overnight if everyone in this country would simply purchase gold and silver coins, refuse to trade with anything other than gold or silver coins, and refuse to accept anything other than gold or silver coins in your business or from your employer, and refuse to pay anything other than gold or silver coins.
The foundation is in the Constitution where it says specifically and unequivocally That no state may use anything other than gold or silver coin in payment of debt, yet no state does that.
They're in violation.
The law says that a dollar is a specific measurement of gold or silver coin, yet we have no gold or silver coin.
You have coin that look like silver, but if you turn it on the edge and look at it, you see they just put that little thin coating of silver over the top to fool you and make you believe that you have silver and thus are fulfilling the law.
Did you know, ladies and gentlemen, that the penalty for debasing the coinage of the United States of America is death, and yet it has happened and no one has been charged or tried or punished?
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This land is your land, it's made with violence, from California to the means of your violence,
and it's made with violence, from California to the means of your violence, and it's made
with violence, from California to the means of your violence, and it's made with violence,
from California to the means of your violence, and it's made with violence, from California
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This land still, at this moment, belongs to you and me.
The County Sheriff is the number one law enforcement official who represents the people in every county around this country.
I'm going to give you his address right now so that you can write to him, and he's going to challenge the Brady Bill, and we're going to talk about that during this last segment of the Hour of the Time.
He's going to take it right up to the Supreme Court, if necessary, and he needs money because he's not going to spend county funds on this.
Now, I've already assured Sheriff Mac that he will receive $100 from myself, Carolyn, Annie, and Little Two.
And I want every single family out there listening to contribute $100 to this cause.
It's the cause of freedom.
It's not the cause of Sheriff Mac.
It's not the cause of the state of Arizona.
It's not the cause of some mystic, magical thing that somebody's always trying to pull money out of your pockets for.
is the cause of all true Americans who understand the real purpose of the Second Article and Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.
Our forefathers gave us the right to keep and bear arms because, as it says in the first part of that amendment, a militia being necessary for the preservation of a free state Folks, a free state.
Our forefathers literally were telling us that you cannot be free, you cannot have a free state without a militia.
The militia is spelled out in the federal law as every able-bodied man or boy between the ages of 17 and 43.
Now, state law, in some instances, spells it out even further.
But the United States Senate in 1981 passed a resolution stating that the National Guard is not the militia, neither is any other organized military force.
They stated in that resolution clearly, where there is no doubt, the militia consists of the whole people.
And the second article in amendment states that it is necessary to a free state and that The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Tell us, Sheriff Mack, what you felt when you heard about the Brady Bill and what you decided to do.
When I finally received a copy of the interpretation from the ATF regarding the Brady Bill, I saw
that it was such an abomination and violation of the Constitution and everything our country
stands for that I made up my mind that I was going to have to fight it even to the death
if I have to in order to make sure that I have not violated my oath of office and to
make sure that no further encroachments upon our freedoms can take place.
And I didn't start this as a nationwide or worldwide effort.
I simply intended to do this within Graham County, a rather small county in southeastern
Arizona.
However, I guess after the word got out that I was doing this, I have received a lot of
attention nationwide from the press and other people calling that it has turned into a real
mandate and I intend to fight this, like you said, all the way to the Supreme Court if
I have to.
There's just simply no way that I can allow the federal government to usurp power and say that they can run my office.
I have far too many other things to do in protecting the people of Graham County to start writing background checks on good, common, ordinary, law-abiding citizens.
I can't do that.
I would have to be ignoring my duties as sheriff.
Why the federal government would try to put me in this predicament of having to ignore my oath of office or to violate my oath of office and to go against what the people have hired me to do is beyond me.
I'm not a federal agent and the government has no authority to ask me or order me to obey this law.
So you have basically decided to challenge this, and you've decided not to enforce it until you get some kind of a concrete ruling.
And according to what you've told me, you won't even enforce it then.
Well, I certainly will have a problem doing that.
I hope it doesn't come to that.
But yes, quite honestly, I simply am a conscientious objector, if you will.
I like the term real American better.
That's even better.
I like that too.
I have a very difficult time doing that because like I said, I would be made a liar.
I just simply think that we already have enough liars in political offices and I don't want to be one of them.
You're a county sheriff in the state of Arizona.
And it doesn't just violate the Second Article of the Amendment in the United States Constitution, but it violates the Arizona State Constitution, which when the state of Arizona became accepted as a state by the United States of America, they approved that Constitution, which means there's nothing wrong with what our Constitution says.
Is that correct?
Yes.
And what does the Arizona State Constitution say about the right of the people to own guns?
Yes, it states in section 26, and I'm paraphrasing just a little bit, most of it will be quoted, but it says the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of himself and of the state of Arizona shall not be impaired.
Fantastic.
That's pretty explicit, but so is the one in the Constitution of the United States.
They'll read the same dictionary I read or something because impaired and infringed, I mean you can't touch it, you can't encroach, you can't change, you can't alter.
The only way the federal government can legally do this is if they will remove the second amendment from the constitution first.
Then they can start discussing gun control.
But there is no debate, no discussion allowed until that second amendment is removed.
And the procedure for doing that is spelled out.
Now, even if they were to remove the second article in amendment to the federal constitution, the state constitution would still stand and no one would have the authority to change that because the federal government has no authority over what people do in a state.
That's right, and that's the tenth amendment of the Bill of Rights or Constitution, which you just addressed.
And not only that, probably the one that, let me quote this, I do have this and I can quote this and it's right in front of me, it's from a paper I wrote about the constitutional responsibilities of police officers.
And it quotes the Miranda decision that was written by Chief Justice Warren back, when was it, the early 60's regarding the Miranda case where police officers thought that law enforcement was coming down on them and that this This guy was falling in because we were going to have to read suspects or arrestees and their rights.
In that decision, there was a lot more in that decision than just having to read rights.
Chief Justice Warren wrote, and I quote, where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there could be no rulemaking or legislation which would abrogate them, which means there is no Legislation allowed.
You can't even discuss the possibility of legislation if it is going to violate the Constitution.
I don't know that much about Justice Warren, but I know he's right on in this particular instance, and that is why the Miranda decision came down the way it did.
It's plain and simply, he is telling legislators, you can't touch Now that's the only, the only and truthful argument that there is.
And all of these other arguments are just bullshit running around the flagpole tying people up in knots while they're chasing their own tail.
It's not about crime in the streets, ladies and gentlemen.
It's not about any of these other scams that they're giving you.
It's not about animal rights.
It's not about whether you have a right to hunt like the NRA.
That's right.
It's all over.
There is no more argument.
membership or asking you to join to protect your right to hunt, that's all smoke screens.
The only true argument is, is it in the Constitution or is it not?
If it is, then...
The argument's over.
That's right.
It's all over.
There is no more argument.
And if they want to change it, then they must repeal the second article in amendment to
the Constitution or they must produce another amendment to the Constitution that changes
Exactly.
And that would be an extremely difficult thing to do, wouldn't it?
Yes, and I support that because it is a constitutional right to change the Constitution in that regard.
If the people say so, then they need to.
But I would never support such a thing.
But if it happens, you know...
Yes, but we would all, as Americans who believe in the Constitution, have to support it if the Constitution was changed in the proper way that's outlined within that document itself for changing it.
It is, in fact, a living Constitution, and people like H. Ross Perot, who claimed that it's an old, dead document penned by a bunch of doddering old men in powdered wigs over 200 years ago who didn't have any understanding of the modern world, is just as much bullshit as the previous argument.
We call the shots as they lie here on the hour of the time, Sheriff Mac.
Yeah, we need to call a spade a spade and quit beating around the bush.
I think there's been too much of that and a lot of people call that political diarrhea and I certainly don't want to be part of that.
Well, you certainly have my admiration and support and I can assure you, you will have the 100% support of the Unorganized Arizona Militia, which It does exist in large numbers is a true patriotic body of
men who exist for the preservation and protection of the Constitution.
The Arizona Constitution gives the sheriff the authority and power to organize posse's
or militias and even command the aid of every able-bodied person within his county to aid
him in doing his duty as sheriff.
Now in Arizona, that has been exercised quite frequently, hasn't it?
Yes, it has.
Especially recently with Sheriff Arpaio from Phoenix, Maricopa County.
And I know him well.
In fact, I was just meeting with him yesterday.
He is very constitutionally oriented.
Even though he was brought up in the DEA, where he retired with the federal government, He has taken his duties as sheriff very seriously, and I certainly commend him for that, too.
Well, that's wonderful.
Folks, I know I get letters from you people.
Some of you call me and you say, gee, I sure wish John Wayne was around.
I want to remind you all that John Wayne was an actor.
John Wayne portrayed the kind of man whom is talking to you, who's the guest on our show tonight, an unassuming, strong, A man who understands the principles and ideals that this country was founded upon and also understands that if he's not ready and willing to back those principles and ideals up and even die for them, if necessary, that this is all just a big joke and we might as well just rip it all down and go home and play with our marbles.
So you shouldn't be looking for John Wayne.
You shouldn't be looking for Henry Fonda or any of these other moody people that you always keep saying you wish would I wish John Wayne was back.
John Wayne never did anything except make good movies, folks, and occasionally he did a benefit that helped somebody in need.
The people who really do things in this country are people like Sheriff Mac, and you need to get behind them.
I'm going to give you his address.
I want you to send him a generous donation, and if you're a family, send him $100.
My family is sending him $100, and we cannot afford it either, folks, so I don't want to hear that crap.
If you care about this country, do it.
Send your contribution to the Graham County Sheriff Richard Mack.
Richard Mack, 523 10th Avenue, Stafford, S-A-F-F-O-R-D, Arizona, 85546.
That's the Graham County Sheriff Richard Mack, 523 10th Avenue, Stafford, spelled S-A-F-F-O-R-D, Arizona, 85546.
Uh, Sheriff Mack, who should they make the checkout to?
At this point, it's just going to have to be to me, because there is, uh, no other person yet that, uh, is in charge of, uh, doing anything, so, and there's no name for the, uh, collision or whatever, so, yeah, it's just going to have to be to me at this point.
Okay, just make it out to Richard Mack.
He's going to spend this money on taking this Brady bill, this Brady law, it is now, into
court and he's going to challenge it all the way up to the Supreme Court and even if he
loses up there, I understand that he's not going to enforce it.
In fact, he cannot be made to force it.
Is there any way that they could shove this down your throat and force you to enforce
this Brady bill in your county?
The federal government tries to do a lot of things and shoving things down people's throats.
I guess they could always try it.
It would be another usurpation of power.
I guess they could always try it, but at the same time I can always fight back.
Well, there you have it folks.
Sheriff Mac, I really admire you.
Out of all the people in this country, You were the first to stand up.
You're not the only one.
There's another sheriff in the state of Montana who has made a public statement that he is going to refuse to enforce the Brady Bill.
I will send you his... It's that Sheriff Prince, isn't it?
That's right, Sheriff Prince.
Yes, I've seen a news article released in his hometown.
And yeah, I really admire him, too.
I'd like to meet him.
Let's figure out some way to get you guys in touch, and we're going to be sending you a stack of documents that you won't believe that will prove to you and anybody else who goes through them, and these are official government documents, legislation, congressional record, State Department documents that prove that this disarmament of the American people is an old, old plan to unite the world in a one world government under the United Nations, and that, my friend, is treason.
Thank you very much, Sheriff Mack, for being a part of the Hour of the Time tonight, and I know you're going to get a lot of donations from our listening audience, and I'm going to keep sticking them with a pin so that they won't forget about this.
Thank you, Bill, and God bless you.
And God bless you.
And folks, all of you out there listening, God bless you too, and good night.
God bless you.
you It's like my lucky star to be living here today.
But the flag still stands for freedom, and I can't take that away.
And I'm proud to be an American where relief I oversee.
And I won't forget the men who died, I just can't look next to you, and it can't hurt you today.
But there ain't no doubt I love you, babe.
In the darkness of the night From the lakes of Minnesota
To the hills of Tennessee Across the plains to the plains
From Haiti to San Jose From Detroit down to Houston
And New York to New York And I'm sure that pride in every American heart
That it's fine to say the things That I love
Between me and America Where is this I know I'm free
Oh, I'm free, and I won't forget The man who put a knife, who gave me that chance
And I won't forget the men who died Who gave their lives to me
And I'm standing up next to you And I'm standing up next to you
To live again my life And I'm next to you, and I can't turn the page
But the rain showed up like a distress But the sun won't do the same
And I'm standing up next to you Take me out of that cage, where is the light?
I'm out of my own mind, and I'm never coming When I get back, oh, I'm free
And I won't forget The man who died, who gave that life
And I'm finally here, but I'm next to you, and it's like a silver day
But there ain't no doubt I love this land.
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