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Oct. 26, 1993 - Bill Cooper
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Linda Thompson
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the world.
The world is a magical place.
I know what's sweet. I know what I can't bear.
Yet I have good reason to think that singing is bad.
I know what I can't bear. I know what I can't bear.
You're listening to the Hour of the Time.
I'm William Cooper.
Tonight, folks, you may experience a little static on the line.
It's raining here, and the lines are wet, and we have GTE, which is the absolute worst phone company in the entire United States of America.
I think they're still using 1930s equipment or something, but every time anything gets wet around here, all the phones go crazy.
Tonight, we are supposed to have a special guest calling in, and I'm going to tell you right now, it's Linda Thompson.
And we've got an awful lot to talk about.
Now I don't know if Linda realizes that we're having some phone problems and I don't know if she understands which lines she's supposed to call in on because it's been quite a while since she's been a guest on this show.
She used to know to call in on 2174.
So if there's anybody out there listening who has Linda Thompson's phone number, either
office or home or both, please call her and ask her to call in on the call in line 602-333-2174.
That's 602-333-2174.
When we talked this afternoon, because she's been on the show several times and has always
used that line, I assumed that she would remember the number and call in on that number.
But I think she's probably trying to call in on the number that we're linked up to the
satellite on.
So I don't know if this is going to work or not.
But if there's anybody out there listening who knows Linda Thompson's home number and
or her office number, please call her and ask her to call in on 602-333-2174.
And we're going to give a lead in.
We've already picked out for her.
If she doesn't show up, we've got lots of other things to talk about, so that's okay.
And that might be her right there.
Let me check it out.
Well, we'll do the lead-in, and if that's her, if that's you on the line, Linda, and it's not because whoever it is just hung up.
Anyway, we'll do the lead-in and see if she calls.
The sound you hear is dripping blood.
This is the start of Black Sunday.
September the 28th, 1993.
And on that date, we had a memorable show covering the subject of tonight and what we intend to talk about tonight.
If Linda remembers the correct number, or if somebody gets a hold of her, it will be, of course, what happened in Waco, Texas.
February 28th, 1933.
February 28th, 1933.
you Is the knife case the mom bring back yesterday?
That y'all can't fight, don't let me shoot your mother-in-law.
Put on your gorilla suit, drink some elbow soup and have along.
This place don't relate, it's half a man's farm.
A piece of my mouth has begun to growl.
I can't breathe when the bees are in my house.
And they find for the fine and they blow down The nest for the best for who's sake
And the feet for the beef for the mow mow And the feet for the beef for the mow mow
How they talk man They go like this
How about this Oh think of large and stuff
Oh think of large and stuff Oh think of large and stuff
And how do the women talk Uh, hello.
Hello?
Is that you, Linda?
What you want when you want to tell us you want some money, man?
Well, how about you give me some more of that meat now?
Pass me some of that inside that pie, and spread some bread on it, you know?
In between the cold, jazz, and the good that we have.
Well, we're gonna try it.
Uh, hello?
Hello?
Is that you, Linda?
Oh, I can barely hear you.
Well... You don't sound like yourself.
The line is blocked.
I had to go through the operator.
I'm going to try again.
Okay.
Oh, now you're in.
You're in clear.
Is that okay now?
Yeah, what'd you do?
I didn't do anything.
Oh, now you're not clear.
Let me try dialing it again.
I had to go through the operator to get through.
What we've got here is General Telephone and Electric Company, GTE.
You're in clear again.
I don't know what the deal is.
Well, it's GTE.
Their phones are, like, prehistoric.
And the company really, frankly, my dear, doesn't give a damn.
That's what we've got to put up with here.
Plus, it's raining outside and GTE doesn't know how to insulate their lines, so nothing works with GTE when it rains.
Oh, how wonderful.
Well, when I first tried to call through, I kept getting them busy and I went through the operator and it would hang up.
So, 15 tries and here we are.
Well, at least you got through.
That's a miracle.
Oh, and I want you to know, a whole bunch of people called on the other lines to let me know you were trying to get me.
That's good.
Wonderful.
Okay, we've got a lot to talk about tonight.
First, I want to remind everybody that I'll be at the Dunphy Hotel in San Mateo, California this weekend.
This weekend, folks.
I'll have a lecture at 12.30 p.m.
on October 31st and a workshop later that afternoon at 3.30 p.m.
Don't miss the workshop.
I'm going to rattle some chairs and break some windows and otherwise wake up the sheeple.
And if you'd like to call for information, you can call Area Code 415-905-8874.
That's Area Code 415-905-8874.
So, please do that.
I'll be there the whole weekend.
We'll have a booth.
My book will be there.
area code 4159058874.
So, please do that.
I'll be there the whole weekend.
We'll have a booth.
My book will be there.
We'll have the Mystery School series of radio tapes on sale.
And you'll be able to get any tape that we've done that we have available while you're there.
We're going to take the duplicator and a whole bunch of blank tapes.
And if you just want to stop by and talk, that's fine too.
My book will be there.
Behold a Pale Horse, 500 pages of the most well-documented, most suppressed information
ever printed in the history of the world.
And that statement comes from experts who know, not from me, folks.
Okay Linda, there's a lot of controversy raging right now about your film, Waco, The Big Lie.
Most of it coming from three individuals, one Tom Donahue, one Bobo Gritz, another one Ken Fawcett, who by the way said on this show, came on this show and made a statement that what he saw at the end of that tank was flame.
What do you mean now?
Now he's saying that it's some kind of insulation material.
Oh, that's the same story all the feds are saying.
Okay, well now we know who's who, don't we?
Alright, well it's not insulation material.
They've apparently come up with a piece of tape from CNN, the bastion of integrity that they are.
And claim that that's the same footage as I have, and they're claiming that I cut mine off early, and that if I had let it play another few seconds, you could tell that it was insulation material.
Well, I got the piece of footage that they're claiming is the same thing.
First of all, it's not the same scene.
It's not shot by the same camera, and it isn't the same time that the tank went in and out of the hole.
Second of all, even their piece of footage does show flame at the beginning, and yeah, there is junk on the tank, and it's not as clear as the piece of footage I have, but again, it's still the flame-throwing tank, it is still throwing flames.
Not only that, I've gotten more footage from the satellite feed, a guy that taped it off satellite, that shows the same tank at the front door, you can see it shooting flames, very, very plainly, and at the corner of the house, where it shoots flames again.
So we've probably got, plus it's also got the, um, Same scene as my tape has, only from a different camera angle.
So it completely corroborates what's in Waco the Big Lie and has additional footage.
So we're going to make an update tape and put this footage out because there is no way in this world that they can cover the rest of the time that this flamethrowing tank has been captured on video tape.
Every expert that has analyzed my first tape, including Department of Justice's own expert, have said that they absolutely, even the justice department
said they don't know.
They won't say what they think it is.
They said it appears to be flames but they don't know.
Now they couldn't even get their own expert to lie and say it wasn't flames and you know if they could they would.
We've got an FBI forensics fellow look at this and umpteen TV stations have analyzed the tape.
It's not monkeyed with, it is flames and now we've got even more proof and we just got them by yin yang.
That's all there is to it. We've got them.
You know, I've got to correct something.
I said that it was Tom Donahue, and that's not correct.
I don't know Tom Donahue.
I don't know anything about him.
But that's not correct.
It was the Tom Donahue show, but it was Ron Engelman who was making these statements.
So let me correct that right now.
It was not Tom Donahue.
It was Ron Engelman.
I will leave Tom Donahue in there, and I'll tell you why, Bill.
Thursday, two weeks ago, I got some phone calls from people that were at a radio station in South Bend.
They had received a fax from Ron Engelman that said he had absolute proof that the flamethrowing tank in my tape was not plain, okay?
That's what the fax said.
Now, this was on Thursday.
That same Thursday, Tom Donahue announced on his program that the following Tuesday, Ron Engelman was going to be hosting his show, Donahue Show, and that he was going to have That was the show I'm talking about.
Ron Engleman was... I called up Tom when I found out what was going on with this fax that Engleman was claiming to have proved that the flames weren't real.
I smelled a rat, frankly.
I called up Tom Donahue and I got his answering machine and Ron Engelman returned the phone
call, not Tom Donahue.
I asked Ron Engelman what was this distressing news going to be and he said, well that's
just not plans on your tank.
I said, well how do you know?
He said, well he's going to have an expert analyze it and he was going to have it, he
had another piece of tape that was going to prove that it wasn't.
I said, well who's your expert?
And he said, well I don't know, some other guys are setting it up for me.
I said, you mean you haven't even had it looked at yet and you're claiming you have proof
that it's not real?
And he said, yes.
He had not looked at it.
He had not had it analyzed.
And I said, well, what does this piece of footage show that you claim that you got?
He says, well, I haven't seen it yet.
So here, they're already making a claim on Thursday that they're going to claim on Tuesday that the tape footage is not genuine, but they haven't done anything to analyze it or anything.
So basically, what they were doing was lying.
It was absolute fraud.
And I sent a letter to the president of that radio station that Donahue's on, and I talked to the president and the guy that said he was the vice president about this, and I said that Ron Engelman had just admitted to me on Thursday night that his announcement on Tuesday was a fraud, that he had not analyzed the tape, that he had not looked at any tape from anybody else, but he was still going to go ahead and announce that it was not flames in my cape.
This is ridiculous and I sent them a letter to that effect and said that if they did that I was going to sue them.
And they went ahead and did because apparently Tuesday they made that announcement.
So I just hope that they're prepared to back it up in court.
I know they're not and that's the only option I have left at this point because they did this for publicity I think.
I doubt it.
Now we've got additional footage and it absolutely positively has them locked in.
There's no way they can avoid six different scenes of this tank with the flame coming out of it.
Now, are these all different angles?
Yeah, all different angles.
Well, if they're different angles, it can't possibly be a reflection off of something.
No way.
There's no way.
Besides that, even on just the piece that I had when we made the first Waco tape, a Boy Scout can look at that and see it's fire.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist The truth is when I watch that tape it sure looks like fire to me.
Every time I see it it looks like fire to me.
I have a degree in photography.
I've made many different video documentaries.
I know how video cameras work.
I can't see how anybody could say that that's a reflection off of something and be able to prove it.
At this point in time there are thousands of people that have this tape.
We've had dozens of TV stations analyze the tape.
We've had everybody walking through frame by frame and there's not a single person out of all those thousands of people that have made that claim except people that we know are government operatives or opportunists.
I mean we're talking six people out of the whole country at the most are making this claim and they started off claiming it was insulation until I pointed out to them that the house had no insulation.
And so they changed it.
Now they're claiming it's a reflection or they're claiming it's an orange curtain.
Now I think those two things are the most absurd claims I've heard yet because first of all, if you look at where the sun was at that time of day, it could not be reflecting from there.
And secondly, orange curtains don't glow.
I haven't seen one that glows yet.
that, you know, I haven't seen everything, but...
Thirdly, that doesn't explain away the type of tank that it is, since it is a flamethrowing
tank.
Now, in the Justice Department's report, they claimed that it was, they had two CEVs, and
they call them CEV-1 and CEV-2, and CEV stands for Combat Engineered Vehicle, and that's
kind of a generic name for tank.
And in the Justice Department report, they said that they had looked at CEV-1 and CEV-2,
and neither one of them were equipped to throw frames.
That was to explain away my tape.
What they don't mention is that on page 59 of the Justice Department report, it says
very plainly that CEV-2 broke down and the tank crew went and got another tank.
Now, that's what they're trying to do, to explain this takeaway.
They don't address the fact that the tank that was brought in shoots flames.
Yeah, well, a combat engineering vehicle, Linda, is something that looks, it's armored,
it's big, it looks like a tank, but it's capable of taking a tank in tow, and it's supposed
to carry the necessary maintenance equipment to be able to fix another armored vehicle.
What we see clearly in there is a tank with a turret with a gun barrel on that turret and the turret is turned around so that the gun barrel is facing toward the rear of the tank away from the portion of the tank that's actually going into the building.
Now for the last three days I've been watching that tape and Carolyn can verify this for anybody who wants to know if you want to call in or something.
Um, in fact, she's sitting right here.
For the last three days, once I began to hear these things from everybody, I have actually been sitting in front of a TV monitor for over eight hours each day, including today, studying every single inch of that film.
And I discovered something else that I hadn't seen before.
As the tank is going into the building, and as it pulls out, and you can see the flame on the front of the tank, there are two men lying on the roof above.
There's two guys on the roof.
That's right.
And they are wearing black uniforms and hoods.
Yep, they've got, and one of them has a rifle that you can see.
Yeah, now I've never saw it before because I was always looking at the front of the tank for the flames, so I never even looked up there.
And we thought it was one guy and a hole in the roof.
But once we got some stills made of this thing, the silhouettes of the guy's head turn up
perfectly.
So we keep looking.
And now I found this other, I found footage, this continuous footage in places that we
didn't have it before.
Because you got, the problem with this thing is they were not broadcasting this live like
they claimed.
They really were on a time delay.
And different stations cut out different pieces.
So you have to go and find as many pieces of the tape as you can from all these different
sources to find a continuous segment of footage for any one scene.
And so now we've found where this, you've seen on my tape where the one guy jumps off
the roof and walks off.
He's one of those two guys.
And then the other guy jumps off just before he does.
He's over in the corner.
When that guy's up on the roof and jumps off, the other guy is over on the very corner and jumps off.
And there was a tank that had come up to both of them just before that.
And we've got footage.
I'll put that in the update tape because you can see them both on the roof later.
Uh huh.
We've got a piece of footage that shows a tank spearing somebody and dragging them out
through the wall, you know, speared on the tank.
Whoa, wait a minute.
It's gory.
Back up a little bit.
Now, let's say this again, Linda.
All right.
The tank that knocked the corner of the house off, which I think most people got to see
that part of the tank knocking this right-hand corner of the house off.
Uh-huh.
If you're looking at the front door, the right-hand corner of the house has got a big chunk out of it, and you saw the tank do that.
What you didn't see was before it knocked that corner off, and this is where I can prove
CNN has doctored their footage and not released the whole thing, even when they were claiming
to broadcast live, is there is footage before that, and what that tank did was it speared
somebody when it went into the house.
It speared them and it backs out with a, and it looks like it's an agent, not a branch
Davidian because the person is wearing one of those hoods and a black suit.
The body is speared on this tank gun and the tank goes back into the house and knocks this
guy's body off by rubbing the tank gun up against the house and that's how the corner
of the house got broken off, was they were wiping this guy's body off like you'd wipe
a bug off your shoe.
Wow.
You can see the body fall and you can also...
see agents run up under the tank and into the hole that was just made by the tank.
And there's another scene that we got that shows an agent up very early, way before the
fire, up near that same corner of the house.
You know how you would wind up a garden hose in your hand?
Well, he's doing that with some kind of hosing that's up there by the corner of the house.
And they've never mentioned anything about hoses or, you know, at all.
Hoses?
Yeah, some kind of hose.
And he's not at all afraid of being shot.
And this is very early, you know, way before the fire.
Yeah, how do you know it's not an electrical cord or something?
Well, it could be.
But what he's doing is going through the gestures of, just like when you wind up your garden
hose, he's standing there doing that with something.
Or a data cord.
Yeah, it could be anything.
You know, but it's some kind of a hose or a cord or whatever that he's wrapping up.
And the other thing is, this camera angle that this guy had, it's on satellite feed,
and it's over kind of towards the...
I'll see.
You know, I haven't seen any of this footage that he's doing.
No, you have here, and I'll be glad to make, well, I'm going to make an update tape with it.
At the south end of the house, where the underground tunnel was, there's footage from that that I had never seen, and there's these orange blocks, or they look like, just, they look like body bags is what they look like.
You know how they cover these people in these yellowish-orange things?
Yeah.
These things are all over the place at the back side of the house, and I had never seen those before because you never get that camera angle.
We don't know what they are, but you can see several of them.
Well, we had reports from, well, not reports.
We had one report from someone who claims that he was hiding in the brush and woods back there.
And watching the back of the house, and he said that ranch civilians ran out of the back of the house, and as they ran out, they were shot and killed as they were trying to escape out the back, of course, where there were no TV cameras.
Now, I've never talked about this because we could never verify it, and I'm going to tell you right now, folks, if you're listening, this is unverified.
We do not count as legitimate information from one source.
Well, I'll tell you where I might back that source up a little bit is there was a barn
behind the house and I have pictures of this and one of my pictures is
in the Jubilee this month of the barn that the FBI hostage rescue team had set up.
They had sandbags all inside this barn and they punched holes in the wall
for the snipers to shoot out of.
And that was behind the house and I got pictures of that.
So they definitely did have snipers back there that could shoot at anybody that came out.
And another thing that you can see this on my tape and I didn't know it,
somebody just pointed it out to me the other day.
There's a scene where, when we, when the lady is saying, they were not knocking small holes to inject tear gas, they were destroying the end of the house.
The camera pans then, and you can see, uh, just before it, the camera stops on the crushed end of the house, look at the back end there.
The whole gymnasium is gone.
It's been totally destroyed and that is the garbage that you're seeing all piled up there before the camera stops.
If you look at some of the earlier scenes and compare it they completely obliterated already that back into the house and I never realized that until somebody pointed it out to me.
Everybody that watches the take footage sees more Well, I've seen a lot more that I haven't even talked about yet.
Just like the three days, eight hours a day in front of this monitor watching every single inch of that thing.
Well, I've been doing it for months.
And you see, you're just looking at a few little snippets and you're seeing, you know, probably hundreds of things that are important.
Picture having several hundred hours of this footage and all of it has something.
And do you realize not one of these so-called independent investigators has asked to see any of this footage?
None of them.
I've called Janet Reno's office and talked to a fellow that she brought with her from Florida that I assume is someone that would tell her and told them what we had and his attitude was pretty much, well tell the FBI, tell somebody who cares.
And like I'm going to tell the FBI when it's the FBI we're talking about.
That's who did I want to tell you that we do have quite a bit of the footage that was on KU Band that nobody has seen.
The reason I was spending so much time in front of your film is because the controversy was over your film and they were making direct accusations about your film.
So I was trying to correlate this or disprove it or find out what was true or what was false as I always do with everything.
And what I discovered is there's no way that anybody can say that that is or is not a flame.
It looks like a flame to me, and I believe that it is a flame.
And if anybody says that it's not a flame, I can tell you right now, there's no way in this world that they're going to be able to prove that.
You can see something hanging off the end of the tank.
But what you see there is a flame.
It doesn't look like a reflection off of whatever's hanging off the end of the tank.
It looks like a flame that's in front of whatever that is hanging off.
On the VSS copies, what you don't realize, when you see something that looks like it's mashing down the flame, it's not junk mashing down the flame.
smoke and the flame and the smoke are both being blown down by the wind.
And you can see that a little better on the three quarter inch copy.
You should have that.
Have you looked at that?
Oh, yours got eaten.
I'm going to send you another one.
But what you can't, what I realize you can't see that doesn't come out very clearly on
the VHS tapes is the smoke.
And the smoke itself is what conclusively proves you're seeing fire rather than a curtain
or insulation because reflections and curtains don't make smoke.
Also folks, I've got to tell you, my master tape was on 3 quarter inch and it got eaten
Also folks, I got to tell you, my master tape was on three quarter inch and it got eaten
by the tape machine.
by the tape machine.
And so what I've been watching is the original VHS tape that Linda sent me a long, long time
And so what I've been watching is the original VHS tape that Linda sent me a long, long time
ago which is not even close to the quality of the master tape that got eaten.
ago which is not even close to the quality of the master tape that got eaten.
So...
As soon as you get another master, step that through a machine and see what else you can
As soon as you get another master, step that through a machine and see what else you can
see.
see.
Because you can see a lot of detail in the 3 quarter inch copies that you lose when it
goes to VHS because VHS is such a poor quality.
Yeah, I know that.
And I didn't know any of this when we started making videos, but when you make a copy, it
gets worse and worse each copy that you make on a VCR.
Yeah, each generation.
And you lose a lot of quality.
That's correct.
But we've got all this tape available, you know, in good quality copies that the investigators
can look at and they turn their noses up at it and we've got clear, convincing proof
that these guys murdered the Branch Davidians with a flamethrower and tank.
Now, why won't they look at this tape?
Why won't they look at this footage?
Why don't they have a real investigation?
Who's covering it up and who's involved?
We know.
It goes all the way to Clinton.
Well, it goes to a lot of strange places which we're going to talk about in the second half
hour.
It's incredible what we're finding out and what we're going to be talking about in the second half hour, folks, is going to just blow your mind.
So stay tuned.
Don't you dare move away from that radio.
I've got to take a short break here in just a couple of seconds.
What we're discovering here is that this is way beyond what anybody can possibly conceive of right now.
Anybody out there that's telling you that they know what this is all about is pumping you up full of baloney.
Nobody really knows what this is all about.
We have a lot of clues.
We traced it to a lot of people and a lot of things that have happened.
What we found out is going to blow your mind.
This is incredible.
We're going to continue in the second half hour.
Stand by, Linda.
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What you're going to hear in the second half hour of this program is going to convince
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Let's go back to the hour of the time and mention my name, William Cooper.
And let's go back and check that out.
Who's that I see walking in here?
It's Linda Thompson.
Why is Little Red Riding Hood?
Hey there, Little Red Riding Hood.
Keep your heart looking good.
You're everything a big bad wolf should want.
Listen to me, Little Red Riding Hood.
I don't think little big girls should be Goin' walking in the boogie on the wood,
Cause I'm a huge fool What can I do now?
Tonight I'm driving by the roadside But doesn't it seem like it don't get great
I think I ought to walk with you for a while What goes if you have
Big girls or big girls on the down?
Well, you've put all these so-called patriots in this country to shame, Linda.
And I'm proud to walk with you, not just for a ways, but for the whole mile if we have to.
I'd take you up the river with me any time.
I was a river patrol boat captain in Vietnam and that's a lot to say for somebody from somebody like me who's gone up the river.
Now we've just found something out.
We're going to reveal it for the first time tonight.
I want to say one thing.
You sure did nail the guys that were going to turn out to be the turncoats in this thing early on.
And I was skeptical, but I can't say you didn't warn me.
That's for sure.
And everybody that you have pinpointed, you have turned out to be.
Well, I don't like to be right about things like that, but unfortunately it is right, and you did.
Boy, you grilled me, and you raked me over the coals, and there was a few times when you just flat told me that I was full of crap.
But you found out yourself.
But let me break this story right now, because the CAGI people have been going full-blown into this.
We have investigators all over the country looking into Waco.
We had people on site when Waco was happening, as you all know.
All of you who listen to this show all the time.
What we have found, ladies and gentlemen, is that during the years that MKUltra was being conducted by the Central Intelligence Agency, the Seventh-Day Adventist Church furnished volunteers for mind control experiments under
Project MKUltra.
Now this went on for many, many years.
We also know that Jim Jones was connected with MKUltra, along with a whole bunch of
other strange things.
Now I can tell you right now that David Koresh and Mark Brough were both connected to the
Seventh-Day Adventist Church.
We've been able to connect these people directly to Louis Jolion-West, who is a professor at the Neuropsychological Institute at UCLA.
Okay, so he's not.
He was also one of the prime doctors in connection with Project MKUltra, along with a lot of other people, including Barry Taft, who's a frequent writer for UFO Magazine and who actually set Vicki Cooper, the publisher of UFO Magazine, up with an apartment and didn't even know her when she arrived in Los Angeles after coming under the Witness Protection Program after blowing the whistle on the Mayflower Madam.
This thing goes all over the place.
When David Casselera was talking about an octopus, we here at Kadje are beginning to know exactly what this guy was talking about.
Coincidentally, he was writing a book that he was going to name Behold a Pale Horse, which is the same name that my book is called.
So, we all have an understanding of this that goes much deeper than most of you may understand or realize.
This whole thing is very strange.
We know that David Koresh went to Israel where he studied the Talmud.
We have information from sources that while he was there, he was trained by the Jewish Defense League in infantry tactics, not just him, but him and a couple of his followers, men, and that they came back to the United States.
So this is not just about some little drug lab that used to be on the property that the Branch Davidians occupied, although it may have something to do with the ultimate outcome.
We've also found out that there was a tunnel leading from the house of the Branch Davidians down to a little dam across a drainage ditch, which could have been used as an entrance and an exit way.
And talking to some of his family members, apparently during the siege, somebody used this to enter and leave what they call the compound, the church area.
We also know that on the Linda Thompson film, you can see agents with their hands in the air backing away from this same drainage ditch, backing away not away from the Branch Davidian buildings, but away from the end of the tunnel toward the Branch Davidian buildings.
Now watching this like everybody else did, I didn't understand which way they were backing
until I began to really study the film and the layout of this property.
What have you got to say about all this, Linda?
Well, it gets curiouser and curiouser and deeper and deeper.
We've got the connections that you just pointed out to the MK Ultra project and I was working
on that from a completely different perspective and pretty much came up with all the same
things you came up with.
I had heard originally that the film was going to be a film about the Metro station and that
was going to be a film about the Metro station and that was going to be a film about the
Metro station and that was going to be a film about the Metro station and that was going
to be a film about the Metro station and that was going to be a film about the Metro
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was going to be a film about the Metro station and that was going to be a film about the
Metro station and that was going to be a film about the Metro station and that was going
to be a film about the Metro station and that was going to be a film about the Metro station
and that was going to be a film about the Metro station and that was going to be a film
about the Metro station and that was going to be a film about the Metro station and that
was going to be a film about the Metro station and that was going to be a film about the
side as a possibility.
And in checking this out, it all returns to that probability now, rather than impossibility, because this Louis Jolion West was and is an experimenter for the CIA.
He's written 12 different papers that I've found so far on brainwashing, mind control, and cults.
And he has experimented with implants in people's brains, LSD and hypnosis, brainwashing techniques, and being able to manipulate people through different types of sound waves and microwaves that can be pinpointed to portions of the brain to make you respond in a specific way, passively or actively, for instance.
And he was one of the consulting experts during the brain Yeah, that's true.
It's just the very fact that he was even around makes me wonder why.
Really?
Why was he around?
And then why did we have a British spy plane brought in?
Why was there this international involvement?
Why did we have the guy who was the so-called detective following him around for two and a half years?
Why was he hired by the law firm that represents the Mossad?
And why was Cult Awareness Network involved in this and using as their experts people such as Lewis West, Lewis Jolly and West, he's called Jolly West, terrible nickname if I ever heard one.
For him, yes.
The great mind control experimental.
that's a direct connection between cult awareness network and the CIA and we know that the ADL
right now is being exposed as a covert agency of the CIA that they gather information on
people and groups. So we've got the same little snake's nest again behind everything. Now
why? Why this particular little group in Waco? Why were they targeted? Why were they so important
that they all needed to be killed? What was it they were going to reveal to the world
that would make them worth killing? Well maybe they, I don't know if they're going to reveal
anything to the world or not but I will tell you this.
It involves much, much more than a bunch of local politicians involved in the methamphetamine lab.
It goes all the way around the world.
Well it surely does because just look at the...
We've got an Australian connection to this thing, we've got a British connection to this,
and we've got an Israeli connection to this.
And we know that several of the people that are claiming to be branch Davidians are government agents.
Now, this doesn't make any sense at all unless it is international in scale.
It makes no sense that all of these international agencies Now, there's a tape which exists, which is on the way to me as we speak, and as soon as I get it, which will be after my stint in San Mateo sometime.
I don't know exactly when it's going to arrive.
On this tape, there's a conversation between one of the sheriff's department personnel and an ATF agent.
During this exchange, the ATF agent says to the sheriff's department personnel that he's going to turn the whole matter over to his partner.
And when he turns it over to his partner, the person on the phone is Rita Starlene Riddle.
So Rita is an agent too?
She was asked point blank about this and she did not deny it, nor did she confirm it, but she would not deny it.
Well a number of people are turning out to be agents and operatives and that's made it much more difficult to get information because everybody asks Why aren't the Branch Davidians talking?
Why don't they tell us their side of the story?
And I think it's because the only people that are real Branch Davidians that were in that place are being kept from talking to anyone.
R may be dead.
And the rest of them are agents.
R may be dead.
Pardon?
R may be dead.
I can't.
You can say it now.
I said R may be dead.
Yeah.
Now, I want to point out to everybody out there that Rita Riddle has children.
And so, don't go condemning her.
Maybe she did this because her children were threatened.
We don't know.
And during a survival situation, people do strange things.
And so, all we want to do is get at the truth.
We don't want to persecute anybody.
We want to get to the truth, and it looks like the truth right now is Rita Starling Riddle was involved with the ATF.
There's a lot, lot more to this.
I mean, it just keeps going and going and going and going and going and doesn't seem
to want to stop.
In fact, I...
Remember Ron Engelman was the radio host that supposedly was communicating with the Branch
Davidians while the siege was going on, and he was working with Gary Hunt.
You remember the whole premise for Gary Hunt claiming that he had this...
I've got to ask you something.
Where did you get that film, that clip of film in your video of the funeral scene?
That was broadcast over television and it was on a news show as being a scene from the funeral of one of the ATF agents and I knew it couldn't be because if you look at it, the cars in the background are all from the 70's.
The clothes on the people, if you look at the women, they're wearing mini skirts with
empire waistlines, which even though mini skirts have come back in style a little bit,
the empire waist and the top neckline and so forth that this one woman is wearing is
definitely not in style.
Then they have the bouffant hairdo, which is a lot different than the big hair that
you see now.
The bouffant was a specific style.
What I noticed when I first saw that was I recognized one of the men carrying a coffin
or the coffin of someone that I was in the army with 15 years ago.
He didn't look like he'd aged.
I said, man, for 15 years he looks awful good.
Then that's what got us looking at that piece of tape a lot.
We realized that can't possibly be the scene from a funeral now.
All the cars are from the 70s.
Even the cameras that the cameramen have in the background are old-fashioned cameras.
For some reason, the station used a piece of film footage that's 15 or 20 years old
to portray a funeral for one of the ATF stations.
Now, I don't know if they just used it to show a funeral or if it was an intentional misrepresentation, but it also looks like Gary Hunt is one of the people in the back carrying the coffin.
Well, we've had eight people make a positive identification that the last person on the far side holding the casket is Gary Hunt.
Now, that person also matches the photograph that Gary Hunt sent us for his press credentials, which he ultimately stole from us, and we believe are probably in the ATF files.
Now something else is really strange about that clip because except for Gary Hunt, the
one who has been identified as Gary Hunt, the other men carrying that casket all have
Hitler mustaches.
Every single one of them.
One thing I thought about that though is they could be military mustaches because they have
to cut their mustaches off right at the top of the lip and at the outside edges of the
lip.
No, that's the exact same mustache that Hitler wore and it doesn't look like real hair.
It looks like it's been drawn in like with a mascara picture right under their nose to make them all look like Nazis.
And if you took that directly off of a television broadcast, then somebody's really playing with our minds.
Oh, I studied it for three days.
You go back and look at it.
All you people out there who have the Waco the Big Lie, go back and start looking at that film with a fine tooth comb and you're going to see things that shoot.
I know that I put that film footage in because it was so bizarre to me.
I recognized one of the guys, you know, from 15 years ago and then recognized Hunt too because of course I've seen Hunt and I didn't want to claim it was Hunt, you know, without having anybody else authenticate that It looks exactly like the photographs he sent us for his press credentials.
We've had CAGI members show the video to people who know Gary Hunt, and eight different people have positively identified that man as Gary Hunt.
Well, while we're on the air, if anyone has ever seen Ron Engelman and Gary Hunt at the same time, I'd like to know that, too, because the one piece of film I have that shows somebody that's supposed to be Ron Engelman looks an awful lot like Hunt, too.
Well, I want you all to understand that I don't have anything bad to say about Ron Engleman.
I know Linda doesn't either.
And all during the Waco Sea, Ron Engleman was on the radio trying to tell the world what was happening.
But there's some strange things going on.
Why would Ron Engleman say he had proof?
That's very, very strange.
It is strange, but it's not something you can condemn somebody for.
to me that he had never seen this other piece of tape footage and that he didn't have any
proof at all, and yet he was announcing already that he was going to go on the radio and say
that he did.
You know, that's very, very strange.
It is strange, but it's not something you can condemn somebody for.
Maybe some of his friends or maybe somebody that he respected talked him into believing
it without seeing it, which nobody should ever do, but we don't know.
We just don't know.
It is strange, like you say.
Well, I do know another thing, that both Tom Donahue and Ron Engleman were angry that you and I had identified Bogreitz as being the turncoat that he is.
I know that that was one of the things that precipitated what they were doing, because they were mad at me for saying that, because Bogreitz attacked me.
We're blatant lies, most of the time.
Yeah, absolutely.
Because, for instance, he initially claimed I had no military experience, and then he claimed to correct this in his last newsletter by saying, well, I had high school ROTC.
Well, I didn't have high school ROTC.
I've never been in ROTC at all.
I was active Army from 1974 to 1978.
I was assistant to the commanding general of Allied Forces Central Europe.
I think I have more than a little high school ROTC.
And the fact of the matter is, before he put that out, I had called him on the phone, giving him the benefit of the doubt, thinking that he was simply mistaken in the information that he'd been given.
I told him the correct information.
He agreed with me that he was not going to Continue that.
And yet he turned right around and he did it again.
And he also made the same claim that the flames on the tank are insulation.
And he also claimed that there's no reason for concern about these black helicopters or the UN troop movements in this country.
And I think there's a great deal of concern.
The black helicopters at this point have been photographed by people all over the country.
It's not isolated.
We've actually located I have several places where these things are parked.
I was just in Milwaukee this past weekend.
3,000 people, by the way, showed up to see the tape in Milwaukee.
And a fellow there took us out and showed us the inside building where black helicopters are parked in Milwaukee.
And that's the fifth place I have personally seen where these black helicopters are.
I've personally seen the helicopters over my house, over my office, over two shopping malls, and down at Waco.
Now, the black helicopters are part of what appears to be this multi-jurisdictional task force that's referred to in a public law, Public Law 100-690.
And it's in my book.
Everybody who's read my book has read all about the multi-jurisdictional task force.
Now, so for them to say that it doesn't exist is absurd in the extreme.
And the other thing that I was attacked on was not, was they claimed that I didn't have any proof that the three guys killed in Waco were Clinton's bodyguards.
Well, you don't get much better proof than Clinton himself naming them by name and saying that they were members of his presidential security, which is exactly where I got the information.
It was from a speech that Bill Clinton made on March the 18th to the Treasury Department, and he named these agents by name that were killed in Waco, and he said they'd been members of his security.
You know something?
With all the inaccuracies, and all the lies, and all the BS, and the books that Bogreitz has written, which reveal absolutely nothing, tell no one anything... The stuff he's telling is a matter of public record.
It's in the congressional record.
He must have been the greatest, greatest, inept, totally incompetent intelligence agent that ever existed in this world.
Well, I know that I have been absolutely shocked I know you wouldn't.
tax on me by him because I've only met him once.
That was in Lousiville.
That was set up by somebody connected to him because otherwise I would have never mentioned
him, never met him, and I would never have said anything bad about him at all.
I was never connected to him, period.
I had no reason to.
In fact, you were very upset with me when I told you that Mo Grice was in fact a Trojan
Horse, according to our investigations.
Yeah, that was one of the ... because I didn't have any proof of that, and I knew there was
a schism in the Patriot community where half the people think he's a Trojan Horse and the
other half think he's a cent.
Linda, let me tell you something.
There is no schism.
There is no Patriot community.
There isn't any.
There are no Patriot organizations.
There are Patriots in this country, but anybody who believes there's a Patriot community and
that there are Patriot leaders controlling Patriot organizations is going to regret it
in the long run, I can assure you.
These people with their Hegelian political conflict resolution methods control both sides
of every conflict and I can tell you right now that that's exactly what's going on.
These people have spent their lives learning how to infiltrate and control organizations.
You can't.
That's why I'm trying to wake people up, empower them, teach them that they don't need leaders if they use their own head, how to form local units with people they've known all their life who have no connection to anything, secret society, government, intelligence community or otherwise, and operate on their local level to clean this mess up.
And we can do it that way.
But if you think you're going to go down and join some big patriot group like the John
Birch Society or the Council for Domestic Relations or any of these things, you're foolish.
All these organizations do is keep patriots running around in circles chasing their own
They never identify the enemy.
They never deal with the enemy.
They never do anything that's worthwhile.
They never, ever win the battle.
That's good. Now, to turn the battle around, what are individual groups supposed to do?
Buy Gannett Company Incorporated stock and get ready.
We're buying a major news media corporation.
The listeners of the Hour of the Time and everybody else who's interested, we're buying stock.
The New York Stock Exchange symbol is GCI.
They're turning their proxy vote over to me.
I'm going to go to the stockholders meeting.
I'm going to tell them what we want the company to do from now on.
If they want to do it, they can keep their jobs.
If they don't want to do it, we'll fire them all and put people in who will.
And we're going to tell the nation the truth.
And they won't be able to infiltrate us or control us because there is no organization.
I don't get anybody's stock certificates.
Nobody pays me any money.
But I may end up as the chairman of the board again at Company Incorporated.
Huh, that's a neat approach.
So that's what we're going to do.
Linda, I want to thank you.
I want to thank you for being our very special guest tonight.
We're out of time.
For everybody out there listening, remember I'll be at the Dunphy Hotel, San Mateo, California.
For information, call 415-905-3333.
That's 415-905-8874.
And if you're wondering what, what exactly to do about all this stuff, folks, I want you to just listen to this.
Good night, and God bless you all.
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Mama said, something real was not feeling.
I looked in his room, stared, wasn't checking at all.
Oh, now mama don't you go talkin' silly, he's just a young boy.
He's just going his wild.
Oh, so that's all right.
But Mama said, no, nothing real strange about my little one.
Nothing real strange about my little one Mama down the road said, she likes to feel the sugar on her
skin I know he's my only blessing in life, but he makes my blood
run I love you.
You were lonely and just really happy.
Is there anyone that really feels the sun go down?
Is there anyone that really feels the cold breeze coming around?
Is there anyone that really feels the sun go down?
Let me shout my current son.
And we shout for Gunson, Ring-a-long and Silver Deerville And Mama said, Papa, I'll bet you don't kill him
Cause I just couldn't bear to think about my baby in hell Until you lay him down, shoot his back, get his body
mounted And I said, yeah, he's a firehouse, oh, shut up, shutters
and closed down the doors We're gonna need all the heat you got, cause I want you to
melt my silver bell down to a single sky I got a job to do, and I got to get it done before the sun
comes up Oh, don't listen to anyone, know that we ain't here to play
no games Then we heard a shot, and I said, Papa got him
Then we heard a scream, and we thought it might have been this little child.
But when I opened up my eyes, there was a boy in the doorway staring at the wall.
And my big brother Billy never kissed the wall no more.
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