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Aug. 11, 1993 - Bill Cooper
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Light power of the hour.
This is power of the time.
Light power for the earthlings.
I'm going to kill you.
This is the only hour that ever was or ever will be.
This is the most important hour in your entire life, for during this hour you will decide
your future, and thus our collective future.
God bless you.
Thank you very much, Bill.
It's my pleasure.
I understand you've got an intriguing subject to discuss with our listeners tonight.
That's correct.
We're going to talk about the Constitution of the United States.
But, Ralph, the Constitution of the United States of America?
I mean, doesn't everybody in America Understand and know and have a copy of the Constitution?
I don't know if they do or do not, but I doubt that many people do.
Let's say it that way.
I would bet my grandmother's underwear that 98% of the American population not only don't
have a copy, but probably never read it unless it was in school during their younger years,
and even then they didn't really understand what it was they read, with the exception
of most of the audience of The Hour of Return.
Those people, I would hope, and I appreciate the fact that they have read the Constitution.
I think that's magnificent.
And perhaps even have a copy that they could get, as we're going to read parts of it ourselves.
In fact, we need a copy of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, so if you want to...
Those of you who are listening, if you want to get your copy out, please let's do so, and get your highlighting pen, because we're going to talk about some very disturbing things that I discovered in the Constitution and the Declaration that should be brought to your attention.
If this is not something new to you, this will be very disturbing.
If you've never heard it before, it will help to reinforce it.
Please pay attention.
This is really something we've all got to understand and consider.
Well, let's go!
OK.
Let's start with the Declaration of Independence.
In the second paragraph of the Declaration, that's also dated, by the way.
This was, of course, as we all know, July the 4th, 1776.
Our Founding Fathers decided to declare their independence from the King of Great Britain, England.
And so they were using this document to do so.
It was called the Declaration of Independence.
At the bottom of the second paragraph, It reads as follows.
I'm reading now from my copy that I had in my possession at this moment.
It says, The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states.
So let's start with that now.
What they're saying is that King George The King, the present King of Great Britain, was creating a tyranny in the United States, in fact, over these states.
I went back to an 1820-something, I think it was, somebody around 1800 and some, dictionary, and looked up the word tyranny.
as far back as I could go to 1776, so it was maybe 50, 60 years later,
they defined tyranny as giving one branch of government or one government total power.
So our founding fathers were close to the understanding of tyranny
by this dictionary definition, maybe 50, 60 years later.
I also went back to the Federalist Papers and read the quotes of Hamilton, Madison, and Jay.
They also understood what tyranny was.
It was giving total power to one government or one branch of government.
In fact, in those years, they talked about giving too much power to monarchies, which were at that time, as perhaps you know, the most prevalent form of government around the world.
Now, so what they're saying is that we are now going to establish that we are doing this because the king was establishing a tyranny over us.
And then it went on to say, to prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.
And then they listed, I think there's 32 specific complaints that they had against the present king of Great Britain in this arena.
They were saying, these are the reasons we are breaking away from the present king.
And they listed, I think there's 32 of them.
The only number I want to bring to your attention is the 22nd one.
Those of you, at least in my copy, they're somewhat broken up into short one-sentence paragraphs.
Some are maybe more than one.
But mine is indented and I can read the 22nd one.
It starts by reading, by saying rather, for suspending our own legislatures.
So what they were saying was that King George had dissolved our legislatures, the ones that the Founding Fathers had
created around the various states, and then the Declaration of Augustus say,
and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
So what they were doing was dissolving our governments, our legislatures, creating them their own,
and then granting those legislatures, quote, the power to legislate in all cases whatsoever.
That's the key phrase I want you to remember.
The power to legislate in all cases whatsoever.
By definition, giving that government that power is the very definition of charity.
Our founding fathers were stating that the power to legislate in all cases whatsoever in the hands of a legislature was tyranny.
That's why they listed it.
We're saying we're going to submit to the candid world the following examples of tyranny in the United States.
Just for the sake of exploring this, what would be an alternative to that?
What would have been the fair thing to do?
what they did in Archive One section, which we'll cover in a minute.
We'll come back in a minute.
What I want you to get familiar with at this point is that in 1776,
our Founding Fathers declared that the phrase, the power to legislate in all cases whatsoever, was tyranny.
Because there is no Magna Carta under the power where they can legislate in all cases whatsoever.
Whatever that legislature, that legislative body decides is law, is law.
There are no concepts of rights, human rights, any human rights under that kind of power.
And that's why our Founding Fathers were separating from King George, as they called him, the present King of Great Britain.
Now, 11 years later, these same men, basically the same men, wrote the Constitution of the United States.
It was later adopted, as you know, in 1879, but it was submitted, I believe, in the first time, 11 years later, in
1786.
The Founding Fathers set up three branches of government.
Article I creates the legislative branch of government, Article II creates the executive branch, and Article III
creates the judicial branch.
So we're now going to go to Article I, where our Founding Fathers created the legislative branch of government in a bicameral
House and Senate, in two Houses, one House and one Senate.
And so they're now going to then grant power to that government in Article 1, Section 8.
And you can go to that, if you will, if you've got your copy in front of you.
Let's go to Article 1, Section 8, and we'll now read the powers that our Founding Fathers granted to Congress.
Section 8 reads as follows, quote, that Congress shall have power, and then it starts listing 18 specific grants of power to Congress.
The first one reads, The Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes, etc., to pay the debts, etc.
The next one is the power to borrow money.
This is a condensed form, of course.
What we're saying is that our founding fathers tried to limit the power of government to the following specified powers, and they listed 18 of them.
Now, we, those of us who have studied the Constitution, maybe incorrectly, have decided to call these various grants of power clauses.
So, I'm going to refer to Article 1, Section 8, Clause, I mean, Number 17, meaning the 17th of the 18th.
We're going to read as follows.
Congress shall have the power to, and then this is what it reads, to exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever.
So, in one case, they're saying, we're leaving King George because he's doing this, and once we've left King George, we're going to do the same thing.
Exactly.
Now, notice, Bill, they use the same identical words.
Yes.
In one case, the king had dissolved our governments, our legislatures, and created their own with the power to legislate in all cases whatsoever.
That was called tyranny.
11 years later Congress shall have the power to exercise exclusive legislation in all cases
whatsoever, and now it's not tenable. Something's wrong. It, to me, is just corroboration that
our Founding Fathers intentionally subverted the very document they wrote. Article 1, Section
8, Clause 17 of the Constitution. Now, this is, to further amplify on this, this is also
very important that this is a continuation of this very subject. We've got to find out
where they gave this power, because our Founding Fathers created two separate governments in
the United States.
Two distinct, separate Congresses.
There's only one Congressman, or one Congress, but they have legislative power over two different governments.
Let's go back now to Arc.
1, Section 8, Clause 17.
To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever over such districts, not exceeding ten miles squared, as made by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of commerce, become the seat of the government of the United States.
And we're going to stop right there and pause for a moment.
So what they're saying is that commerce shall have the power to legislate in all cases whatsoever over the district known as Washington, D.C.
That's right.
And that government, that Congress in this area, shall be running the government of the United States.
That's the second problem.
What is the government of the United States?
It is the government that Congress is running in Washington D.C.
by itself.
Now let's stop right here just for a minute and examine this.
We have been told that the cause of the American Revolution was taxation without representation.
But here we see that our Founding Fathers taxed Washington, D.C.
without representation.
Because the people who live in Washington have no Congressman.
They have no Senator.
They do vote for President, but as far as Congress is concerned, they have no representation.
But they are taxed.
By whom?
Congress.
With what power?
The power to legislate in all cases whatsoever.
So we can see that our Founding Fathers granted this tyrannical power to Congress over the affairs of Washington, D.C.
Now, when Congress tries to interfere in the affairs of Arizona, or New Mexico, or Alaska, or any of the other states, it has very specific powers granted to it under Articles 1, Section 8, Clauses 1 through 16, 18, and the Tenth Amendment.
Congress had the power to lay and collect taxes To raise an army, etc.
Those are all powers that they only have over the states, the 50 states.
Those are the powers of the government of the United States of America.
But when Congress runs the affairs of Washington, D.C., they call themselves the government of the United States, and they have the power to legislate in all cases whatsoever.
Now, just as an adjunct to that, let's examine this thought that Congress taxed the people in Washington, D.C.
without taxation.
You mean without representation?
Forgive me, I misstated that.
You're right.
The power to taxation without representation, which we have been told, was the cause of the American Revolution.
Bill, in my book, The Unseen Hand, I try to point out that was not the issue in the American Revolution.
Of course not.
The need to create a central bank that would have the power to create paper money out of nothing and loan it to the government at interest.
That's why we fought the issue.
This is secondary, but they were creating a government in Washington that was taxing without representation.
So that was not the issue.
Now let's continue with our thought.
It says, "...to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings."
Now, this is not really humane to our discussion, but as long as we're here, let's examine this.
Something like over a third of the land in the United States is owned, or at least held,
in the name of the United States government, completely without constitutional authority.
Here, they can only build or buy land for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful
buildings.
Just today, I drove from Tucson, up north, where you live here, Bill, to do this program,
and I drove through National Forests.
to have dual power.
for a national forest.
That's correct.
I drove through national parks.
They have no power to create national parks.
The only power they have is to buy land for the original forests, magazines, arsenals,
dockyards, and underneath the buildings.
Now, in some states, I mean, in some states of the Union, namely this state, Arizona,
the state of Hawaii, the truth is that most of the land in those two states, and probably
many other states, is actually owned by the federal government.
And the state of Hawaii, which is the state that is the largest in the United States,
is the state that has the most land.
And the state of Arizona, which is the state that has the most land, is the state that
has the most land.
And the state of Hawaii, which is the state that has the most land, is the state that
has the most land.
And the state of Arizona, which is the state that has the most land, is the state that
has the most land.
And the state of Hawaii, which is the state that has the most land, is the state that
has the most land.
And the state of Arizona, which is the state that has the most land, is the state that
has the most land.
And the state of Hawaii, which is the state that has the most land, is the state that
has the most land.
And the state of Arizona, which is the state that has the most land, is the state that
has the most land.
And the state of Hawaii, which is the state that has the most land, is the state that
has the most land.
And the state of Arizona, which is the state that has the most land, is the state that has
the most land.
The power is to legislate in all cases whatsoever.
It's a pure tyrannical government.
And those on the national force, they can tell you what to do and not to do.
They have complete power to do that.
There is no constitution under that power.
And you go on your national parks and try to stand up for your 5th Amendment rights, there is no, they have no, they're not going to recognize your 5th Amendment rights because you're not, you're acting on their land where Congress has the power to legislate in all cases whatsoever.
Well, let's continue our thought.
This is the second part of this problem.
Let's go now to the 14th Amendment.
This is where they pulled the clincher.
I like to use the analogy of a fisherman.
I'm not a fisherman, but I believe that what you do is you dangle your bait, and forget about it until the hook, the bait with the hook in it, until the fish bites it.
As soon as he does, then you pull it, and you snag him, and then pull him in.
So for 70 years, the debate was dangling.
Not many people cared about it until the 14th Amendment.
Those of you that have your copy of the Constitution, let's flip over to the 14th Amendment.
Let's read this.
And by the way, if you don't have a copy of the Constitution, as I've told you before, you really shouldn't be listening to this program unless you just stumbled on it and you don't understand that you really should have a copy of the Constitution.
But if you've been listening for a while and you still don't have one, turn your radio off and go to bed.
This is not the show for you.
Go ahead, Ralph.
I would urge you, in fact, all of us should carry a copy.
When you get a copy... But how can you be an American and not have a copy of the Constitution?
Well, it's just... I mean, it is American.
Well, okay, what I'm trying to say, I'm trying to say, the whole document is written on 3x5 cards, maybe 15 pages.
It's very small.
You can get a copy very inexpensively.
Let's now go to the 14th Amendment, because this is when they pulled the hook, snagged us, and reeled us in.
The Fourteenth Amendment was adopted in 1868 after the Civil War, and it reads as follows.
We're going to take this, like many of us do, and read the whole thing all the way through, and then we'll analyze it part by part.
Let's do that.
It says, all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.
Let's just read that now, step by step.
First of all, they noticed that they are now calling us persons.
We used to be called people, and I'm not an expert in this particular field, but there is a reason that they stopped calling us people, and we're now called persons.
And what goes on to say, all persons born or naturalized in the United States.
Now let's stop there and analyze that.
What does that mean?
Where is the United States?
It's only Washington, D.C.
That's right.
It's not the state of Alaska, not the state of Arizona, it's not the combination of those two states or all the other 50 states.
Those are called the small U, United, right?
Capital S states of America.
So what we're talking about then is Washington, D.C.
All persons born in Washington, D.C.
Let's take that step.
The second part, which is a person, the first part, rather, is a person born there, who was born in Washington, D.C., is ruled by a Congress with the power to legislate in all cases whatsoever, and he's now called a citizen of the United States, because he was born in Washington, D.C.
But they also included a second group of citizens, those who are naturalized in the United States.
Now, what is a naturalized citizen?
A naturalized citizen is one who renounces his citizenship in another jurisdiction, another foreign state, a foreign nation, wherever.
Someone, let's say, from France, who comes to America, gives up his French citizenship and becomes a citizen of the United States.
Or somebody from Oklahoma.
Well, Bill, don't get ahead of yourself.
Or Michigan.
Don't get ahead of yourself, please.
Let's keep it simple.
Let's go back here.
What I'm trying to point out is a naturalized citizen is one who voluntarily requests to become a citizen of that government.
Right?
A person from France decides to move to America.
He wants to become a citizen of the United States.
How does he do that?
Voluntarily.
Okay?
So now we've got two classes of people in Washington, D.C.
who are citizens of the United States.
Let's go back.
It says all persons born in the United States are all persons naturalized in the United States.
Now, are we a naturalized citizen of the United States?
Now, before you answer Bill, I know what you're going to say.
Don't get ahead of me here.
Please be patient.
I'm keeping my mouth shut.
Let's go back.
Did we, American people, we the American people who live in Michigan, who were not born in Washington, D.C., are we a naturalized citizen of the United States?
Yes.
How did we do that?
Voluntarily by accepting the social security card.
Now, let's go slower here, Bill.
Let's make sure these people understand what we're talking about.
There is no law requiring a citizen of the state of Arizona or any other of the 50 states.
There's nothing in the Constitution that requires you to get a Social Security card.
That's correct.
And the reason they can't make you do that is because they have no jurisdiction over you.
That's correct.
And the reason they have no jurisdiction over you is because you've not given them jurisdiction.
At least you're not born in Washington, D.C.
I'm going to take my own case.
I was born in Tucson, Arizona.
So I was not born in Washington, D.C., therefore I'm not a citizen of the United States, but I am a naturalized citizen of the United States by accepting my social security card.
And you say, wait a minute, Ralph.
I was told I had to get a card.
And I'm still waiting for the person who's done that to show me where in law he's required to get a social security card.
He's not.
Why?
Because you are not a citizen of the United States.
You are a citizen of the state of Arizona, Alabama, Michigan, wherever it is, and you have been tricked into getting a social security card because you believe you have to.
That's right.
Now, let me tell you... How does this happen, Ralph?
Well, getting out of here, let me tell you one more little story here.
I have a friend of mine who just, maybe a couple years ago, wanted to have another child to add to his family.
He had now learned this point about being a naturalized citizen subject to the jurisdiction of the federal government.
He decided not to have his child in the normal, traditional way through the hospitals.
He learned he was a Christian, so he and his wife decided to have their child through natural childbirth, not even seeking a doctor, turning the child over in prayer to God.
God wants a healthy child, He'll produce one.
They decided to go through this, they learned the Lamaze thing, all the techniques.
He learned how to become a midwife himself, have the child naturally.
At the last minute, they had a complication, I don't know what, that's not really pertinent to the story.
But in any event, he debated whether to go to the hospital.
He went to the hospital, they delivered the child naturally.
Fortunately, both mother and daughter are doing fine now.
The child is 2 or 3 years old.
But they were told they had to get a social security card or they couldn't get their child out of the hospital.
That's what they tried to avoid and they weren't able to succeed.
Ralph, they did the same thing to us when Pooh was born when we refused to fill out and sign the birth certificate.
They told us we could not take our child home.
And I'm telling you right now, that hospital has never seen, has never seen a ruckus like I raised on that day, and the outcome of it was we did take care of them.
Without?
Without.
Without signing, without filling out, without any of the things that they required us to do.
Now, it was not easy, and we had no idea what was going to happen, but we also understood That without signing that document, they could not take that child.
We knew that.
Yes.
If we had signed that document and then refused to fill any of it out, then they could have.
Let's go back now.
What Bill is just saying is further amplification and further proof of what I'm contending here.
Let's go back now to the 14th Amendment.
It says, all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction
thereof are citizens of the United States and of the states wherein they reside.
So now, if you get a Social Security card, you now have joint citizenship.
You're a citizen of the state of Arizona or Michigan or Alabama and a citizen of the United
States.
Now, what Bill is pointing out is that what he was asked to do was to place his daughter
under the jurisdiction of the government of the United States by signing the, whatever
That's correct.
The birth certificate.
The birth certificate is used as a voluntary Acceptance or giving, if you will, of your child to the government so that the government has jurisdiction over that child.
You do that voluntarily.
Now Bill did not do it voluntarily.
He was able to get his daughter out without the impersons of it.
But that's only because I've done a lot of studying and I understood what was happening there.
Most people don't.
They have no idea what they're doing.
They have no idea what they're doing or giving up when they When they go in and sign the documents and take out a social security number.
But most people do that through fraud.
They're told that they have to get a social security number and they're usually told that by an employer who says, you can't go to work here unless you have a social security number.
What people don't understand is they don't have to get a social security number and the employer has no right to make that a condition of employment and if he does, you have the right to sue him.
So what we've got here, Bill, is we have been tricked and deceived.
That's correct.
By whom?
Our Founding Fathers and those who wrote the Fourteenth Amendment.
But they knew that in the beginning when they talked about this as being the, quote, great experiment, unquote, and they talked in all of their correspondence and their letters They knew that we would not be able to keep our sovereignty, or keep our Creator-endowed rights under the protection of the Constitution.
And they talked about the fact that the people will give it away in exchange for some benefit.
That's exactly right.
What you just said is true.
Now, let's go back to what Bill just tried to say.
I'll say it in my language, just as amplification of what Bill said.
What he just said was that we have given away our sovereignty That's right.
for a benefit. What benefit? The Social Security provisions later on in our life. They tricked
us with a, what they call, the bait and switch. They've given us this promise of taking care
of us in our old age if we will give up our sovereignty and citizenship as a citizen.
And this has its roots in the common law, where the common law says that anyone who
accepts a benefit from someone else gives up their freedom because the person bestowing
the benefit has the right to determine how the benefit is going to be used.
Okay, now let's take one of the most commonly, common challenges to what we just said.
And you say, wait a minute, wait a minute, Ralph.
Come on, let's get back to Article 1, Section A. You'll read here that Congress only has these certain powers.
It doesn't have this broad power you say it does.
And let's go back to Article 1, Section 8, and we'll read just parts, once again, of these grants of power that those who claim that this is all constitutional, what they're doing even today is constitutional.
And let's go back to the powers that our Founding Fathers granted Congress, like the power to lay and collect taxes, to borrow money, to regulate commerce, to establish naturalization laws, I'm abbreviating these, to coin money, punish counterfeiters, post-files, etc.
And then it says it has the power to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers.
So they've got the power to make an army and then enforce the army because it's constitutional.
So that makes sense.
So those who say, wait a minute, Ralph, there must be an error because what our government is doing is constitutional.
It's all listed there somehow.
I'd love to ask them this question.
If our government operates on specified powers listed 1 through 16, 18, and the 10th Amendment, which we'll cover in a minute, where did Congress get the power to tax us to build a space telescope?
We'll talk about that as we get through the break.
OK, you guys keep that thought, remember that, and we'll talk about that as soon as we come back.
But right now, it's time to take our break.
Folks, don't go away.
We'll be right back after this very short pause.
That break didn't take very long, and those of you who are in tune with this show know exactly what I'm going to talk about now.
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an awful lot to help wake the sheeple and empower the people and save freedom for the
world, just like I've been doing.
I'm using sort of my cause to promote his, because we are brothers on the battlefield, and you can be, too.
Let me just give you some of the things that Ralph has to offer.
He has a 33-page booklet entitled, Clinton's Conspiracy.
Bill Clinton supports it.
The driver shot Kennedy.
And, folks, you've heard about that on this program, a two-hour video cassette.
The Unseen Hand, one of the best primers to get you acquainted with the conspiracy, 488
pages, ladies and gentlemen, of some of the best research that I've ever seen into the
conspiratorial history of the world.
And then he wrote another book called The New World Order, which you heard me quote
extensively during our series on the Mystery Schools.
That's a 388-page book, and I'm telling you, if you read that book and research the references
that he has given, and you still believe Freemasonry is just a fraternal organ existing for the
the good of the community, then I've got to tell you, you've lost your mind.
God exists.
There is no other option.
26-page booklet.
The Kennedy Assassination, Conspiracy and Cover-Up.
Another two-hour video.
Vietnam, America's Betrayal and Treason.
Two videotapes.
Three hours of lectures and a 93-page booklet.
The Kennedy Assassination in Vietnam.
A set of three videotapes.
You know, a lot of this you've heard on this program.
Now, don't get me wrong, folks.
Ralph Everson does not agree with everything that I have discovered in my research, and
I certainly don't agree with everything that he's discovered.
But I'll tell you this, I think we probably concur and agree on about 90% of what each
and the other has uncovered and is trying to alert people to.
But you know that's not the purpose of this broadcast.
But you know that's not the purpose of this broadcast.
The purpose of this broadcast is to wake you up, get you to do your own research, to teach
The purpose of this broadcast is to wake you up, get you to do your own research, to teach
you that you can think for yourself, and nobody has to tell you what the truth is if you will
you that you can think for yourself and nobody has to tell you what the truth is if you will
just learn that you are the ultimate, the ultimate, the has uncovered and is trying to alert people to.
just learn that you are the ultimate, the ultimate, penultimate, if you will, power
in the United States of America, and that you have to learn to think for yourself.
And if you can't, you're just a puppet on somebody's string.
And when they pull that string, as you've heard me say a million times, you're going
to dance.
No, of course not.
You know, there's a lot of other things.
This is a pretty fancy catalog here, and you need to get it.
Write us with a self-addressed stamped envelope, and we'll send you this catalog.
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Send it to this address, folks.
Ralph.
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You don't need to remember anything else.
Ralph.
P.O.
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P.O.
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Tucson, Arizona.
For those of you who haven't been out west here, Tucson is spelled T-U-C-S-O-N.
Tucson, Arizona, 85702.
Once again, Ralph, Post Office Box 536, Tucson, Arizona, 85702.
I'll repeat this toward the end of the program.
I'll also put it on the hotline, so if you missed it tonight, you can call the hotline tomorrow and get this address.
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So whenever you order from his catalog, please specify that you're ordering from the offers through the catalog after you get it through the mail from listening to the Hour of the Times.
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It's going to get you up out of that easy chair, off the couch potato status, and into
action to help us save this great nation of ours.
Let's get back to what we were talking about.
Ralph, we left off, you were... You were posing a question.
That's right.
You were posing a question, and the audience out there has been thinking about it.
Let's get right back to it.
Let's get back to Article I, Section A of the Constitution of the United States, and let's examine the powers of Congress that they have over the rest of the Union, meaning the 50 states of the United States of America.
Those powers are specified in this document.
Like I said before, the power to coin money, to establish post offices, to promote science, to declare war, to raise and support armies, to provide and maintain an army, etc., a navy, etc.
These are all spelled out, and then the Tenth Amendment says something to the effect that, if I could repeat it, the power is not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, Nor prohibited by it to the states or reserved to the states, respectively, or to the people, which means if we didn't give you the power, you don't have it.
So those who say, wait a minute, Ralph, I'm sure that when Congress takes this action, it's all constitutional, I'd love to ask them this question.
If this is true, where did our Founding Fathers list the power to tax the American people to build a space telescope?
The Hubble Space Telescope orbiting the Earth right now was built with taxpayers' money.
Never mind that it doesn't work.
But where did Congress, where did our Founding Fathers envision such a thing?
If you could play Buck Rogers and go back to the founding of the nation and when you write in the Constitution and say, gentlemen, I'm from your future, I want you to empower Congress to have the power to tax the American people to build a space telescope, they would have said, what is a space telescope?
You mean space, meaning something in the air someplace?
You're going to get something up there, it'll fall to the ground.
And what is a space telescope?
What is a telescope?
You mean something that's going to take pictures?
Or look at things?
What are you talking about?
They would have had no idea!
Our founding fathers could never have envisioned such a thing as a space telescope.
But ladies and gentlemen, you and I, and we all know, it's there.
How did it do it?
Under Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17.
It's a constitutional grant of power to exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever.
They decided they wanted to do it, and they did it.
But just for those who are maybe confused out there, it's the power to legislate in all cases, but only within the geographical boundaries and over those citizens of that area Well, except, that's true, except there's one more comma, a naturalized citizen who's given them the power to legislate in all cases whatsoever.
Correct.
And that's you and I. That's the point I want to make.
We have given them our sovereignty to Congress under this grant of power.
We have now become a naturalized citizen of that government, and the power they have over us in our state of Arizona, wherever we live, is the power to legislate in all cases whatsoever.
That means that they can tax us to build a space telescope, because we've given them that power under Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17.
You could list probably 90% of what the federal government's doing today and argue where is that listed in the Article 1, Section 8, the remainder of the section.
Now, we know, and our forefathers argued, that the rights that we have are not rights granted by the Constitution but are Creator-endowed rights.
Now, if they're Creator-endowed rights, How in the world could we give them up?
I mean, how do you give up something that was given to you by God?
Well, you can... See, we can do that.
You can give up your rights to God if you choose.
That's what they're saying.
Your rights are inalienable.
Only you can give them up, or God can take them away.
Government has no power to take them away, and they didn't take them away, Bill.
You gave them.
I don't mean you, maybe, personally, but let's say you, collectively, all of us.
We gave up our inalienable rights, because we have the power to do that.
They belong to us.
Not really give them, we don't have the power to give them up, but we have another power that was also given to us, or was granted as not being taken away from us in the Constitution.
We have the right to contract.
Okay.
And that is, in fact, really what we're doing.
We're contracting those rights away.
Okay, I won't argue.
We're both saying the same thing.
You're saying that to write the contract, they've asked us to form a contract with the
government.
That's right.
And when we did that, we thought we had to form the contract by getting our Social Security
card.
Yeah, I hope you don't misunderstand.
I'm not trying to nitpick with you, but there's a lot of people out there that don't understand
what we're talking about.
And what I'm trying to do is focus in so that where I might understand it and you understand
it, and both of us sitting here know exactly what we're talking about.
There's somebody out there shaking their head and saying, what are you saying?
OK, let's take the next step about this, and then we'll get into Ross Perot.
OK.
Let's talk briefly about this grant of power that we've given them.
One of the other things that we've given them is the power to tax us under the income tax.
That income tax is voluntary.
Have you talked about this in the past in your program?
Oh, have I talked about it?
Have I talked about it, folks?
Let me hear, I want to hear the yell all across, let's hear the big cheer all across the country.
Boy, have we talked about it.
Let's talk about, for those who have never heard this before, or let's reinforce it again, so that they may make it abundantly clear, there is no power to tax us directly under the basic constitution of the United States of America.
In fact, the Constitution specifically forbids a direct tax.
That's correct.
And specifies exactly the taxes that can be levied and exactly how and only how they can
be levied.
That's absolutely correct.
Now, how then do we have to have the priority taxes on our incomes?
Very simple.
We get our little W-4 form, and we check United States Citizen, we fill out how many exemptions we have, and we put down our Social Security number, and we list our dependents, and we send this thing in, and we have now contracted to pay voluntarily a direct income tax, which is forbidden by the Constitution in any other way.
That's correct.
Do you understand what I'm trying to point out?
There's one more example of this.
Go for it.
In fact, we've got one more.
Let's talk about the postage stamp.
Let's go back now to the draft.
Now, I don't remember this because I was not drafted, but when I joined, I joined the Reserves years ago, I don't remember going through the ceremony.
Maybe you could help me, Bill.
I wasn't drafted either.
I was stupid.
I hadn't learned yet.
Maybe you can remember the ceremony you went to, and I have been told, I cannot confess that, it didn't happen to me, I don't remember this, but during that ceremony, were you not asked to take one step forward?
Absolutely, yes.
Okay, what was that for?
If you were a United States citizen.
You were volunteering.
That's right.
You were volunteering to take one step forward to give the Army the jurisdiction over you.
First thing that I remember, is they asked if there was anybody in the room who was not
a United States citizen.
Those people, if there were any, were asked to step aside.
Everybody else was asked to take one step forward, raise their right hand, and repeat
The purpose of the one step forward is for you to voluntarily give up your sovereignty to the federal government and your jurisdiction thereof under this power to them, the government.
That's what they do it for.
It's a voluntary act.
They said voluntary.
They even mentioned it.
That's great.
Now, there's something else about this that I've since learned.
If they send you a draft notice and say, you have to report for a physical and for induction into the United States Military Service on such and such a day because your number is such and such, you must do that.
There's no way that you can get out of doing that.
Whether you're a conscientious objector or what, you have to make that known there.
But you must report, you must go through the physical, you must go through the process.
But what I've learned is no one at any time ever can force you to sign your name on any Or to raise your hand and take an oath.
And anyone who refused to sign their name or refused to take the oath was sent home.
And was not inducted into the military service.
And everybody was coming up with these unbelievable excuses and reasons and masquerading as if they were homosexual to try to get out of being drafted.
When all they had to do was refuse to take the oath, they could not have been drafted.
But the point is very clear.
Once again, it's the further evidence that I believe our contentions are correct.
They are getting you to volunteer to submit yourself to the jurisdictions of the United States government by stepping forward voluntarily.
I think it's a tremendous evidence that they are extremely crafty, and cunning, and slick, and tricky, but we really aren't exercising the mental powers that we should be when we're dealing with these people.
We must be on our guard all the time.
That's correct.
Let me give you one more example of this that occurs to me.
There might be others that maybe some of your listeners might have that could get in touch with you or somehow.
But let's go to number four.
Example number four is the use of the postage stamp.
I have been told, in fact I've done this myself, you can mail mail between the 50 states under what they call non-domestic mail for two cents a half ounce.
And I have seen it work repeatedly.
Now, by the way, I don't want to make it clear.
I'm not recommending you do that or suggest that.
But if you want to know more about this, write to me at the P.O.
Box Bill gave you, to Ralph Epperson, or just Ralph, and say, tell me more about this mail thing.
But let me take one more last step.
There is, when you write mail to Washington, D.C., it's called domestic mail and you have
to pay the twenty-nine cents or the half ounce, whatever it is, or the ounce.
But if you mail inside the United States, the United States of America, the fifty states,
it's only two cents, half an ounce, and the Post Office is accepting this stuff without
question even today.
From like Tucson, Arizona to Birmingham, Alabama.
Two cents or half an ounce, because it's inside the United States of America.
That's right.
And the Post Office is accepting this stuff without question even today.
That's two cents to half an ounce, because it's inside the United States of America.
It's not going to a foreign nation, a foreign government called the government of the United States.
And it's also called drop mail, isn't it?
I don't know, but it could be.
Something like that?
If you want to know some details on that, just drop me a note in the appeal box, and I'll give you some further details.
I've got to warn you, though, it doesn't work all the time.
I have been, and I did this, by the way, when I lived in Camberdy.
Somebody sent me a non-domestic letter with a two-cent stamp on it.
When I went to the post office, I found this little yellow slip in my box.
I went up and handed it to them.
They said, oh, you have twenty-seven cents postage due.
And I looked at it.
It was clearly labeled non-domestic mail.
It had the law clearly stated, and it had a two-cent stamp on it as required by law.
And I said, I'm not going to pay twenty-seven cents.
I want my mail.
And if you refuse to give me my mail, I'm going to sue you for interfering with the delivery of my mail under the law, which is a felony.
And this really created quite a constant heat because they didn't know what to do.
They didn't want to be sued.
They didn't want to be charged with a felony.
And they didn't want to be liable for interfering with my mail.
At the same time, this letter had been intercepted by a postal inspector who had directed them to collect twenty-seven cents.
Well, what eventually happened was that I filed suit in small claims court for $0.27, and the post office paid me my $0.27.
Well, there's a friend of mine, and I will not name him on your program, Bill, if you don't mind.
That's okay.
But I have a friend of mine who tells me that he's got the papers that you used and the procedures you used to object as you've done, so maybe not the same procedure.
But to guarantee that you get your mail for two cents.
So once again, if you want to know about this, drop me a note at the PO Box and I'll give you.
Now let's talk now about this individual by the name of Ross Perot running around the United States talking about we the people being the power of this government.
If I may, I'd like to start with the example of Ross Perot who spoke in Tucson, Arizona just about maybe three or four weeks ago, something like that.
He came to our city.
It was advertised as an open speech, so a lot of us went to hear him.
I actually got through with the amenities of saying how nice it was to be in Tucson and what a great group he looked like and who was buttering us up for his campaign run maybe in two or three more years.
The first words out of his mouth were, we are the boss.
That's his lesson.
He's telling us we are the boss.
And I started to almost cry because I said, Ross, under that kind of... I was not able to ask him this question.
There were 2,500 of us in the auditorium.
Yeah, but we know what you mean.
You were thinking that.
You wanted to ask him.
I bet.
In fact, I even told you I was standing up and challenging him.
He was getting thrown out to make my point.
We are not the boss.
Let's go back.
What is the purpose of the Constitution, Ross Perot?
If we are the boss and we decide in all things who needs a Constitution?
What's the purpose of the Constitution?
To limit government.
Period.
That's right.
So Ross Perot's saying we don't need the Constitution.
We shall decide in all things.
And let's take the second thing.
Rostrow's advocated during the campaign of 1992 that all of us be given, or buy, or somehow get a little electronic
device.
He wants to, if he was President, he'd get on the air and tell us,
here's the problem we've got, and here's these suggested solutions to achieve,
and you can push a button for which one you want to do, and then when we all decide together, the majority decides,
that's what we'll do.
That's the way to do it.
And which tenet of the Communist Manifesto is that?
Go ahead, which one?
It's the one called, one man, one vote.
One vote.
This is a republic.
Democracy is a code word for socialism.
And if you want, if you really want one man, one vote, and you want the people to decide everything by a popular vote, you have no idea what a can of worms and what kind of oppression you're going to open up.
Because whoever is the majority will get rid of the rest.
Whoever wants the greatest number that wants something from the government is going to get it.
And whenever that happens, what usually transpires is the majority votes itself everything until there's nothing left and a dictator has to stand up to clean up the mess and take charge.
There are plenty of examples of that throughout history.
Two things I'd like to comment about Ross Perot.
Number one, I would have loved to have asked him this question.
He believes that we are the boss.
Let me ask him this question.
I live in Tucson, which is part of Pima County, which is probably three-fourths desert and one-fourth houses and buildings and cities.
So let's just presume, in our little example, that during this Ethiopian famine, our government benevolently decided to help these people.
Let's just make it 500,000 of them.
And they moved them to Pima County, because it's a similar terrain, desert.
Yeah, they go from a place where there's no food to a place where there's no water.
That makes sense to me.
You mind me asking why you're living there, Ralph?
In my example, they even give them the water bill.
So come on, these people are now able to survive in Pima County.
And let's just say that after five years, they become naturalized citizens, the majority.
And let's just say that of the 500,000, 400,000 were adults able to vote, let's say.
And they went to the county government and said, listen, we are now the majority in Pima County, and we want to make cannibalism legal.
Ross, what's the answer?
We are the people.
We are the boss.
The majority of the people in Pima County would make cannibalism legal in Pima County.
Ross, we're the boss!
Aren't we?
Don't like blacks?
Let's kill them all!
Yeah.
Ross, what is to prevent that from happening?
The Constitution of the United States.
That's correct.
Why?
Because the Constitution says, Congress shall pass no law restricting man's right, his inalienable right, to life, liberty, and property.
Notice what happened.
If we advocate what Ross Perot is advocating, and we support him, we've lost the Constitution.
Because we, the people, will start making laws that violate the rights of individuals.
Well, he has said on many, many occasions, not just one, but many occasions, that the Constitution is old, it's outdated, it was created over 200 years ago by a bunch of old men who were not acquainted with the problems of the modern day and could not have foreseen these problems.
And that the system doesn't work, and that we have to completely redo the whole system.
He is advocating a constitutional convention to redo the supreme law of the land, the Constitution.
All of these people are leaving out the part that the Constitution is a living document.
It can never be too old or outdated.
And the fact that it is not being changed, or has not been changed, means that the procedure that's set into place, whereby we can change it if it's necessary, has not been called forth because we don't believe that it's outdated, we don't believe that it needs to be changed, and we don't want anybody messing with it.
So, who, really, is Ross Perot?
Well, maybe we'll answer that as part of the program.
Let me tell you what we did in Tucson about Ross Perot's appearance at the University of Arizona auditorium.
This is me, and I did this, Ralph.
I printed up a flyer, a one-page flyer, which is very brief.
I said, Ross Perot balanced the budget by enforcing the Constitution.
And I listed on that sheet of paper the 18 grants of power.
Actually, 17.
I deleted Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, and asked Ross Perot to enforce the Constitution and eliminate government, at least parts of it.
Thanks very much.
Fantastic.
Ralph, I want to thank you for being our special guest tonight.
Again, folks, send for this catalog.
You've got to read, you have got to, absolutely, you've got to read The Unseen Hand and his other book, The New World Order, which I have quoted from many times on this program.
It is a must for anybody who's trying to understand what's going on in the world today.
Send for this catalog.
Send a self-addressed, stamped, size number 10 envelope to Ralph.
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That's Ralph.
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Good night, and God bless each and every single one of you.
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