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Aug. 3, 1993 - Bill Cooper
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Linda Thompson #3 - Survivors
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White power, black power, this is power.
Leave this hall open to all.
Light a lamp in the room.
Fill the hall with water.
She's.
He gave me the real proof of the means.
This is the only hour that ever was or ever will be.
This is the most important hour in your entire life, for during this hour you will decide your future, and thus our collective futures.
You're listening to the Hour of the Time, and I'm William Cooper.
Tonight's guest, once again, Linda Thompson.
Just in case you don't remember, let me jog your memory.
In a church they called the Waco compound, Back in April 93.
Seventeen little children, All so helpless and so small.
Died a senseless death of gas and flames.
How many names can you recall?
Seventeen little children.
Seventeen little children Don't it make you wonder why?
Seventeen little children How could they deserve to die?
Maybe we should stop and ask ourselves What have we done so right?
Seventeen little children Why don't you try and open up your mind?
I'll make you sleep like nightingales do.
Tell me, do you feel the pain?
A 17-year-old kid in my bed Got out and perished in the flames.
Tell me, can you hear me now?
I accept your offering, God.
How can you stand for law and order now, when you don't pass it to your friends?
So I will be your king now.
All of the world will dance and smile.
I'm sorry to say that you cheated.
How many names can you recall?
I'm afraid you should stop and ask ourselves.
And I'm gonna be a better man, when I'm gone, so goodbye.
I'm gonna be a better man, when I'm gone, so goodbye.
Finally opened up my eyes.
I'm gonna accept the bread you gave me.
Only God will carry me.
But no one seems to know what's on their mind.
What was that one thing I didn't say?
Yesterday I told my people.
Stop my frustration through the eyes So you can see the beauty of
What a good promise to be found Tell the dream to rise
Tell the dream to rise Tell the dream to rise
I'm ready to die Maybe we should stop and let God speak
Of the evil so bad Tell the dream to rise
you We're crazy, we're children.
Finally open up your mind.
Ladies and gentlemen, seventeen children beneath the age of thirteen years old died in the
Waco Massacre, were murdered, burned alive.
Bye.
These are their names.
The first one's name is unknown.
Chenille, one year.
Dayland, four years.
Pages, two years.
Bobby, one year.
Cyrus, 8 years.
Star, 6 years.
Serenity, 4 years.
Chica and Little One, twins, 1 year old.
Crystal, 2 years.
Isaiah, 4 years.
Joseph, 7 years.
Starkle, 1 year.
Hollywood, 2 years.
Mayanna, 2 years.
And Melissa, 3 years.
Aside from the seventeen children beneath the age of thirteen years old, there were two pregnant mothers who were also burned alive.
And those two mothers were Ayesha Summers and Nicole Little, two unborn, unnamed children, were living within their womb.
Folks, I'm not known for my political correctness, but I want you to understand the enormity of the crime that was perpetrated in Waco, Texas.
And that's why I asked Carl Klang, personally, to write a song about what happened in Waco, Texas.
And the song that you heard was written and performed by Carl Klang, and will be made available at a later date, but not right now.
And the reason that I read these names off to you was to bring it home to you, what really happened down there.
Now, bear in mind that all of those who died in Waco, Texas, in the church known as Branch Davidian, were entitled to equal right under the law, and to be judged by a jury of their peers.
None of them had committed any crimes whatsoever.
This was, in fact, a battle in the war, a spiritual war between good and evil.
The evil forces are in charge, in charge of the bureaucracy of our great nation.
They are destroying us from within.
For all the years that you thought that the Soviet Union or Russia was the enemy of the United States of America, ladies and gentlemen, that was a ruse.
The real enemy is within.
Like a cancer destroys and eats at the body.
Tonight we're going to be talking again with Linda Thompson about what she has learned from those who survived the Waco Massacre, whom she has talked with, and we're going to learn and talk about a few other things also.
Linda, I'd like to welcome you once again to the Hour of the Time.
Everyone out there is waiting to Let's hear what we have to say tonight, probably on the edge of their chair with pins and needles going up and down their spine.
Tonight, we're going to talk about the survivors of the massacre, the Waco massacre, the survivors of the congregation of the church that we all know as Branch Davidian, and since you've had an opportunity to talk to most, not all, but most of these survivors, we're going to try to get their story through you.
But, as you've told me, off the mic, off the air, they have not and will not go into particular details when pressed for those details for a specific reason.
And first I'd like you to tell us just how far they will go in talking about their experiences.
Well, it kind of depends on who you're talking to.
Some of them obviously are going to tell you more details than others because some of them
are just material witnesses and others are charged with very serious federal felony offenses
and anything they say can come back to haunt them in court.
Even if they're not, you know, a good lawyer, a good lawyer, a good lawyer, a good lawyer
who's been in the business for a long time, and they're not going to be able to get a
good lawyer, they're not going to be able to get a good lawyer.
So, it's a little bit of a mix of both.
And, you know, I think that's a good thing.
I think that's a good thing.
Even a true statement, you can make a true statement, and I know a good attorney can take that true statement and if you vary it by so much as one word, in court later they can say, well you said this story one way this time and another way this time, didn't you?
But now if you said exactly the same both times, then that same attorney would claim
that you had rehearsed it.
So making any kind of statement can come back to haunt you and can be a bad thing when you're
facing criminal penalty.
So in that sense, I wouldn't want to do anything to jeopardize their criminal prosecution.
Sure.
And that's the reason why they don't want to be too specific is because this, whatever
they say, could be turned around and slapped.
They could be slapped in the face with their own words in court.
Exactly.
Now, lawyers and attorneys in law schools might call someone who did that a good attorney,
but I certainly would not call that person a very good or very truthful human being because
they're not trying to give us the truth.
They're just simply trying to hang somebody, aren't they?
That's exactly right.
What takes good people and turns them into that kind of a person?
Is that process happening in law school?
I kind of think that some of the ones I run into that are snakes like that, it's an innate trait.
It's just something that's in them.
You don't see it in every attorney.
You see it more in attorneys that are on one particular side of the fence than the other.
They just seem to be lacking in any humanity or compassion.
Ethics come from a book.
If it's not written down and it's not a rule, then it must not be too bad.
That's the mentality.
Law school doesn't really teach it to you.
Law school teaches you to be a little...
abstract or a little removed and less emotional and not to be involved with what you're trying
to analyze.
But it certainly doesn't remove your ability to have a morality or to have a heart or a
conscience.
Sure.
And justice system is supposed to mean justice and it's supposed to have something to do
with the truth.
Let's get to the survivors of the Waco massacre.
And Linda, I want you to make sure that you distinguish whenever you're talking about
these people between people who came out before the fire, who are the survivors of the Waco
massacre, and people who are the survivors of the Waco massacre.
And I want you to make sure that you distinguish whenever you're talking about these people
between people who came out before the fire, who are the survivors of the Waco massacre,
and people who are the survivors of the Waco massacre.
And I want you to distinguish whenever you're talking about these people between people
who came out before the fire, who were in a part of the siege but came out actually
before the fire, and the people who actually survived the fire.
And I want you to distinguish whenever you're talking about these people between people
who came out before the fire, who are the survivors of the Waco massacre, and people
who are the survivors of the Waco massacre.
And I want you to distinguish whenever you're talking about these people between people
I think their story is going to, uh, you know, each of their stories are going to be different, and I think that distinction is important.
Can you tell us who, how many of the survivors have you talked to, both that came out before
the fire and actually survived the fire, were there when it was burned?
How many that actually survived the fire?
Well, how many in both categories, how many overall of these people who survived the siege
and fire have you been able to talk to personally?
I don't think I've ever counted it up.
Give me a second and I'll see if I can...
Give us a ballpark figure, it doesn't have to be absolutely right on the money.
Somewhere around a dozen.
So you've talked to around 12 people who were either in there during the siege and came
out before the fire or have actually, were actually people who were there when the building
was burned and survived the fire.
Right.
And of the people I've talked to that survived the fire, I think I've only talked to two, maybe three of those people that actually came out after the fire.
Okay, so let's get into the siege portion, and can you tell us what you've learned from these people, and wherever you can, without jeopardizing them, tell us who has told you this.
Can you tell us the truth of what happened on specifically February the 28th, and then the period following on up to the final day, 51?
Okay, there were, I've talked to several people that were there on the initial day.
And one of the people was at the doorway, because the ATF claims to have approached.
And the story that he tells, and the story that other people relate, was also told to them by David Koresh and the people that were at the door, is that they saw the ATF coming, and David opened the door, and with his hands up, he said, Wait, let's talk about this.
There's women and children in here.
And as soon as he did, they began firing at them, and David slammed the door shut.
Excuse me just a minute.
Was he actually hit when this happened?
I hit the cloth, I'm sorry.
That's okay.
He slammed the door shut.
Perry Jones was hit then.
He was shot before the door was shut.
And he was hit and mortally wounded and everyone said that they heard him screaming for a long time in absolute agony from his wounds.
This was Perry Jones at the door.
Where was he hit?
in his side and his abdomen.
That's one of the most painful wounds that anyone could possibly suffer.
And now he is one of the people who were killed that, if you'll remember a couple of weeks ago,
this so-called coroner came out with a new autopsy result saying that three of the people that had been killed the
day of the siege, one of them had a gunshot wound to his mouth, or through
his mouth like he shot himself.
Well, the family, no one believes this story about Perry.
None of the Branch Davidians, none of the family, nobody believes that.
So they're saying that he was shot in the head on the 28th?
Yeah, through his mouth.
And the interesting thing is that a man I'm in contact with called the coroner after this story came out.
He called Perwani's office and Perwani told him, Well, actually he needed to check with the local guy, the local coroner in Waco.
I think his name is Corian.
And the man did call him and learned that not only had he not examined the body at all, all he had done was put a tag on it.
So I don't know where this story with the bullet wound to the head came from, but both of the coroners are denying having made that examination or that finding.
So the coroner absolutely denies that there was any bullet hole in his head?
I don't know.
or did the examination.
Well, what do they say about a bullet wound through the mouth to the head?
They each point a finger at the other and say the other one examined the body and they
don't know.
So, in other words, uh...
Nobody's concocted the story or they have the wrong body.
Well, it sounds to me that even if the story is concocted or not, that the coroners are
playing CYA or cover your ass with each other and will not...
other and will not...
You're the wrong person, because I'm not an expert in any of that, but your point is well taken.
I'm relating talk to, says that the body was well preserved.
Now, you've got to realize, this is a body that they buried underground.
It was underground for two months in pretty warm weather.
How could that body be well preserved?
Well, I don't know.
You're the wrong person, because I'm not an expert in any of that, but your point is well
taken.
We think they've probably got the wrong body, or somebody's not being very straight on this
whole story.
Anyway, back to the Day of the Door.
Well, to me, if the coroners won't come out and straighten this out and state exactly
whose body it is and what shape was in, and whether or not there was a bullet wound through
and whether or not there was a bullet wound through the mouth and who reported this, then
the mouth and who reported this, then they're just a couple of cowards who are not being
they're just a couple of cowards who are not being truthful with the American public and
truthful with the American public, and they're just covering for their own career, thinking
they're just covering for their own career, thinking that if they tell the truth, something's
that if they tell the truth, something's going to happen to them.
going to happen to them.
Is that correct?
Is that correct?
Well, yeah.
Well, yeah.
This Karani was picked for his incompetence, I believe, because he's been sued a number
This Pirani was picked for his incompetence, I believe, because he's been sued a number
of times.
He worked for leaving a body on the table for an hour and a half before realizing the
person was still alive.
Another time, he lost the lantern.
He was in the hospital.
He was in the hospital for a week.
These are all stories that were run in Texas papers while I was down there.
I have copies of those papers with those stories in them that we picked up while we were in Waco.
The best I can tell there's been at least six of these types of charges and another one was a little baby that drowned in the bathtub who ostensibly shouldn't have any marks on his body at all.
The autopsy was done so poorly the family had to have a closed casket funeral.
Now this is the fella that they picked to do the autopsies on one of the most serious crimes in the history of this country.
And then the other fellas that are coroners for the local county, coroners do not have to be doctors or anything else.
They're just elected officials.
So what do they know?
You know, they don't know what they're looking at.
They probably don't even know the body parts.
So, you know, we've got the blind leading the blind on these autopsies.
But anyway, that's the first day.
Everyone that I have talked to has said pretty much the exact same thing.
That David opened the door, had his hands up and said, let's talk about this.
The APS began firing and throwing the concussion grenades and so forth.
Perry Jones was hit.
Perry Jones screamed and was in agony.
You could hear him apparently throughout the house and that was a huge house.
And David was later hit as he was going upstairs through to the tower.
to the tower. He got caught in a crossfire from, or caught in a shot by the ETF shooting
He got caught in the crossfire from, or caught in a shot by the ETF shooting through the
walls from outside and he was hit in the side.
through the walls from outside, and he was hit in the side.
And, let me think who else was shot.
And, let me think who else was shot. I can't remember who else they said was shot in
I can't remember who else they said was shot in that initial round.
that initial round, but at that point, none of the Branch Dominions were shooting.
But at that point, none of the Branch Davidians were shooting.
Mm-hmm. But now, at that point, they had every reason in the world and every legal right
to return fire.
Absolutely. And there's actually a Texas code, or a Texas law, that you can shoot even a
police officer if the police officer uses unreasonable force in making an arrest against
you. Now, ETFs are not police officers, which is another thing for people to remember. They're
not police officers. They're actually tax enforcement agents.
And it doesn't really matter because the unwritten law of honorable men and ethics says that
if you raise your hands and say, wait, let's talk about this, there's women and children
in here, and you're fired upon, that you have a right to defend yourself at that point no
matter what anybody says.
Absolutely.
You've got a right of self-defense.
But what's even more, what makes it stronger in Texas is they've got Texas Penal Code, Subchapter C, Article 9.31.
The use of force to resist an arrest or search is justified if, before the actor offers any resistance, the peace officer uses or attempts to use greater force than necessary to make the arrest, and when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the peace officer's use or attempted use of greater force than necessary.
Well, they certainly use greater force than necessary.
When they throw concussion grenades at the door, the battle plan, and it was a military battle plan that they had rehearsed for months, required that this entire team of eight guys be on the roof within seven seconds, and three guys be inside a bedroom window that they were going to have to first break out and get into this window within 22 seconds.
They didn't ever even attempt a peaceful service of this warrant. There was no question
if they already had a battle plan laid that within 22 seconds these guys are going to go up on the
roof and in the window drawing grenades the whole way, that's a military assault. That's
not reasonable use of any kind of weapon.
Absolutely right and they were trying to serve a warrant so that they were trying to get in there
and kill those people weren't they? Absolutely and that's exactly what they thought was going
to happen from the beginning was the part of this business with the newspapers warning at them ahead
of time and all the stories and the churning up of all the nasty allegations and so forth was
precisely to be sure that the branch divinians would shoot back.
They wanted the Branch Davidians to shoot back so they would have an excuse to massacre them.
And the screw up was not that they were waiting and ready for him.
The screw up was that the guys didn't shoot back like they expected them to.
They expected him to shoot back and then they'd be able to slaughter them all.
But they didn't.
And then what I have learned is that after the guys got in the upstairs bedroom, the ATS agents,
they threw grenades and made explosion sounds.
The people downstairs heard that and David sent one of the fellas to get some guns.
But he had even told them, don't shoot at anybody, don't shoot to kill anybody.
Shoot at their feet.
And one guy did get a gun and was coming through the hallway,
and it happened to be the hallway where some of these agents were.
He is the person that shoots out the wall on our videotape.
As you can see, the bullets coming out the wall.
And obviously none of those bullets hit anybody, except the one that catches the guy on the back of the
helmet.
He's not even hurt by that shot.
So, but none of the other bullets hit anybody.
Well, we don't know that.
If he was really the one that was shooting, we don't really even know that either.
But if he was the one that was shooting, and if he did hit somebody, those bullets may have been stopped and may not have come out the wall.
You can see them coming out the wall.
They aren't hitting anyone, you know, as they come out the wall.
There's no one there to hit, you know.
I know they're the only bullets in any of the footage that I've found that he...
Well, wait a minute now, Linda.
We know that three agents went in that room.
How do we know there was no one to hit?
The direction from where he's shooting.
If you look, he's shooting on the far left of the room, out the wall.
Well, we don't know where the agents are.
We can't see them in that room.
Are you suggesting that they would have come through the agents first?
There's no blood coming out with the bullets.
Well, I have no idea, but I fought in a war in Vietnam, so it doesn't necessarily have to be any blood coming out
the wall through... with the bullets.
And if the bullets indeed hit someone first...
Uh, they may not have even gone through that person and come out the wall.
Depends upon what type of weapon this guy was firing and what kind of rounds he was firing.
Okay, you can hear a corresponding shot for each hole.
That's correct.
And based upon that, it would be a good summation to presume that no one is hit by them.
Now we're doing good radio, because that's what I was trying to get you to say, because I don't want anybody out there criticizing what we're putting out here.
Alright, how's that?
That's good.
In other words, for every sound of every shot that's fired, we can see a corresponding hole in that wall.
Right.
That's exactly what I was trying to get at.
And he seems to be trying to scare, you know, whoever's outside while at the same time not trying to hit him.
Anyway, that, and those are the only, of all the footage that we've got, that's the only indication we have that anyone was shooting back at them.
As that agent rolls off the roof, or rolls over on the roof and then goes down the ladder, You do see a shot come up out of the roof.
Well, I've examined that tape.
It doesn't necessarily come out of the roof from below.
It could have been fired from outside at a diagonal and hit the tile and caused it to fly up like that.
We don't know from which way the bullet came, but a bullet comes from somewhere and knocks a tile off the roof.
And then there is another bullet that comes from almost directly overhead, which has to be coming from one of the helicopters.
Uh-huh.
It goes through the roof ledge and then down to the bottom edge of the house.
That's correct.
And that could have been the source for the first bullet that knocked the tile off the roof.
We don't know that.
Now, an interesting thing is that some of the vehicles that were out there that the ATF was shooting from behind in the, you know, in our video.
Uh-huh.
You can see the agents all behind cars, shooting randomly all, everything that they've got.
Well, obviously they had to come from helicopters.
Where do you think those came from?
Well, obviously they had to come from helicopters.
Exactly.
And the two of the women that came out with the children both have said that the helicopters
fired on the roof, fired into the second story.
We also know that one of the lawyers who went into the building to talk with David Koresh,
when he came out, said that there were holes in the roof where the helicopters had fired
down into the building.
That's right.
And there's no way these vehicles could have gotten any bullet holes where they did other than from the helicopters overhead.
So my theory on this is that there was at least one helicopter that was intended to fire and create this hail of gunfire to scare the heck out of the ATF and the Branch Dividends Well, if that's the case, Linda, these ATF people had to be the stupidest dummies that ever lived on the face of the earth.
Now, I've been in combat, and it's absolutely impossible for a helicopter to be firing down on us and me to think that it's somebody in a trench in front of me.
That just can't happen.
So, either they were all a part of it, and this helicopter was not meant to scare the ATF, but to scare the Davidians into firing at the ATF, and justify what they were doing, or else these guys have to be the biggest bunch of dummy... What would you call them?
Sacrificial pawns?
I think they were, actually, because you realize these are not a trained fighting force.
These aren't SWAT team guys.
These are not people that ordinarily are or should be in any kind of a combat situation.
And they had a lot of women out there too, you'll notice in the agents that were there.
And a lot of young trainees were there.
So I think it would be a very simple thing for them to not know where the gunfire was coming
from because you could hear a lot of gunfire in the footage.
And if you believe or consider this from the standpoint of the agents,
And if they're not that stupid, and they can figure it out, why are they still with the ATF and the FBI?
That is a very real possibility and that's what I believe has happened.
Well if that's the truth, are they so stupid that they can't figure that out?
And if they're not that stupid and they can figure it out, why are they still with the
ATF and the FBI?
Why aren't they out here telling the American people what happened?
I don't know.
I have heard from at least one honest ATF agent that's been real helpful in obtaining some of this information.
But I don't know.
I don't know the answer to that unless, you know, jobs being what they are and people being so scared for their own security.
You see this all the time with sheeple.
I mean, people are afraid to speak out against what happened at Mount Carmel for fear that the government will stick the IRS on them or they'll lose their job or Oh, big deal.
These are the same people that pat their kids on the ass and send them to die in the sands of the Middle East for stupid manipulations like Desert Storm.
I don't buy that crap.
But there's plenty of people that do that.
I mean, there's people that will look at all the media that was involved in this rather than expose what happened because they might lose their jobs.
It's time to take our break, folks.
Don't go away.
We'll be right back after this very short pause.
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Just in case you don't remember, let me jog your memory.
In church they called the Waco compound back in April 93.
Seventeen little children All so helpless and so small.
Died a senseless death of gas and plague.
How many names can you recall?
Never seen any children.
Seventeen little children Don't it make you wonder why?
Seventeen little children you
How could they deserve to die?
Maybe we should stop and ask ourselves.
We've become so blind.
Seventeen little children.
Finally open up your mind.
How did you sleep last night, baby?
Tell me, do you feel anything?
There's something in your chair.
Right out of every stream of blood and tears, I turn and turn and turn and turn and turn and turn.
I accept you, I put you in your place.
How can you stand for love, Lord?
When you won't answer to your prayers.
Seventeen to nine.
All for love and sunshine.
Tell me, tell me, don't you really know?
How many names do you call?
When you reach and stop and ask, I'll tell.
When you've done so right.
Look what you've done, you're truly done.
Finally opened up your mind.
What it said, the brand new beginning.
Only God could play his game.
No one seems to know what's ours, we're broken.
But we're going to war with each other soon.
Yes, you're good, I told my people.
Got my description to the time.
The infancy of A.T.I.
I'm not a promise to be signed.
Stand and be a material.
From the bottom of my heart.
What is the cure?
I'll be laser to die.
Laser illusions sharpened at heart rate.
A greedy force for a price.
But we can't go back.
We'll continue, we'll carry on.
Finally open up your mind.
I can't help but smile.
I think there's a lot of hope for the country.
I've heard from... Well, how can that be when the people who are the big, tough law enforcement people are scared to stand up and tell the truth when they know that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are being flushed down the toilet?
Well, I think patriots are going to have to come forward and insist on honest government.
We just haven't done it.
We've been on our ducks watching TV.
Let me guarantee you that out of every 100 big tough patriots who swear that they will stand up and defend the Constitution, when the time comes to really do it, you'll be lucky if between 5 and 7 of that 100 actually show up.
Well, I hope it's not that dismal, because I certainly hear from a lot of them and the people that have seen this tape.
A lot of people say, well, that's it.
That's the last straw.
I'm not going to be a sheep anymore.
I'm going to stand up.
I'm going to do something.
Because we have murderers and thieves leading this government.
We literally do.
That's correct.
But we have to go back to the Revolutionary War that founded this country and actually separated us from King George and established the United States of America.
when it came time to fight, less, understand this, less than five percent of all the people
who lived in the colonies actually picked up a gun and went to fight.
The rest of them either fled or were solidly on the side of King George, and some of them
just didn't give a damn either way.
But only less than five percent of the people who made up the colonies who were eligible
to fight actually picked up a gun and went and fought against the king.
Well, it's interesting, anyone that has a copy of the Declaration of Independence, everything
mentioned in there, the grievance against the king, is every bit as good today as the
leaders that we have right now running our country.
That's correct.
Was against the king.
It's astounding.
Astounding, the parallels.
That's right.
Incidentally, the family histories of many of the very wealthy people who are leading this country now, either in the Senate or in the House of Representatives or in the executive or judicial branch of the government, and even ones who aren't, who are the heads of states, individual states, if you trace their family history, you'll find that most of them, their family was not part of the ones who fought against King George But actually supported King George.
Were you aware of that?
No, I wasn't.
The Bush family is one of those.
Bush?
Yeah, absolutely.
Whose family?
Bush.
Oh, yeah.
I know just about the Bush connection, because he's a cousin to Queens.
Now, Clinton, as I understand it, his father's name was Blythe, and he is in a direct family bloodline of royalty in England, too.
We've got our people working on that. We have some of the best genealogists there are in the Citizens Agency Joint
Intelligence, and they are busily working out the genealogy of William Clinton, and we'll let you know what we come up
with.
You notice the story about his nephew being a member of the KKK, I think?
Yeah.
I thought that was unusual.
Well, that's not unusual for Southern families. Not unusual at all.
Most of the so-called nobility of the South post-Civil War did belong to the Ku Klux Klan. And in the beginning, the
Ku Klux Klan, they claim, fulfilled a real role in suppressing crime in the post-war era.
I wish everybody would get a copy of it and just read it through.
I wish everybody would get a copy of it and just read it through.
And maybe we need to find a new one.
Hey, Linda, most of the people out there listening don't have a copy of the Constitution, never
have had in their life, and if they ever read it at all, they read it in school when they
were a kid and didn't understand what the hell they were reading at that time.
Now, a good percentage of my audience does have a copy of the Constitution, does read it.
They pretty much know what it means.
Some of them have it memorized and could argue the Constitutional points of law with the best lawyers in the country.
But by and large, most of the listening audience and most of the people in this country don't have a copy of the Constitution, don't know what it says, and wouldn't understand it if they did.
That's the truth.
I used to, when I traveled around the country on my lecture tour, I used to ask, and I used to do this until I realized how bad I was embarrassing the audience.
I used to ask how many people in the audience had a copy of the Constitution.
I had to stop doing that because, invariably, only two or three people out of several hundred would raise their hand.
And I didn't want to shame people in that manner, so I've changed the delivery of making that point.
And what happens is people leave my lectures and they go get a copy of the Constitution right away.
One of the CAJI members, Carolyn, down in Port Isabel, Texas, set out one day to try to find out how a citizen living in Port Isabel, Texas, would go about getting a copy of the Constitution, and what she discovered was there was not a copy of the Constitution in the entire town, including the library.
That is amazing.
That is amazing.
She finally found one in the office of the local editor of the paper.
Alright, this booklet that we're publishing, I hope at the end of this week, at the most two weeks since it's been on the printing schedule, has got the Constitution of every state, the Militia Law of every state... Well, let's save that, Linda.
We don't want to get into that.
That's for tomorrow night.
Let's go back to the survivors of the Waco Massacre.
Alright.
What happened after that first day?
After the first aid, some of the children came out with the two older women.
Initially, these two older women, and they're in their late 50s and 60s, were both charged
with conspiracy to commit murder.
And one of them is legally blind and the other one's handicapped.
And that was the faux pas the government finally brought the charges against them, but then
didn't allow them to leave.
I mean, they were still in prison.
Who were these two?
Pardon me?
Who were these two?
Annette Richards and Catherine Matheson.
Okay.
And Annette has got big, thick glasses.
She can barely see, you know, in front of her.
And they're both very soft-spoken, very nice elderly women.
And they were initially refused that.
They wouldn't let them out of jail even.
They kept them as material witnesses and then they allowed them to go to a halfway house.
And now they've just deported Annette Richards and I believe Catherine Matheson is still
under house arrest in a local hotel.
How is it that witnesses end up being confined in jail?
Well, it's an arcanic law in the federal law that allows a material witness who presents
a threat of flight to be held in jail.
But there was never any threat, as far as I'm aware of, that any of these people would
flee.
This was their home.
I mean, they had no intentions of leaving.
So we've got people who didn't do anything, didn't commit any crime, aren't charged with any crime, and they're being held as material witness, and they're serving time in jail.
That's right.
And Bill Johnstone, the U.S.
Attorney down there, is the person pushing that point, always.
And he has gone to some bizarre lengths to get people kept in jail without bond,
including the material witnesses.
I know that I looked at several, I've gotten the files on all of these cases while I've been
down there and I've got copies of the indictments and warrants and so forth,
but read through the files and on the bond hearings for most of these people,
he had no reason, you know, nothing that he could offer to keep them in jail.
And so he would offer things like a copy of a newspaper article about Paul Stata,
a copy of our announcement for the militia assembly in Waco, and the claims that some
of these people were foreign nationals that had leaved the country.
That's the bogus kind of stuff that they use as a basis to say that these people shouldn't get any bond and that the material witnesses should be held in jail.
Now, why is it that the people stayed in there and didn't come out?
There were a lot of offers and deals made that if they would come out, the only one that would be taken into custody would be David Koresh, and that he would be given all of his rights, and the rest of them would be let go, and still nobody came out.
Why do the people say that they stayed in there?
Well you just pointed out part of the problem with that.
First of all, everybody that came out was arrested.
You know, and they were kept from communicating with the people inside the house.
But the people inside the house would hear over radio broadcasts that they had been arrested
and kept from talking to the press.
And the children were put in foster homes and kept from talking to anyone.
So they had no idea what was happening to these people other than what they could hear
on news broadcasts and none of it was good.
good.
Well this is the point that I wanted to bring out because these are the points that Rita
Well this is the point that I wanted to bring out because these are the points that Rita
Little made when we interviewed her after she came out on March the 21st before the
Riddle made when we interviewed her after she came out on March the 21st, before the
fire, when we interviewed her before the fire.
fire.
We interviewed her before the fire and she made the same claims.
And she made the same claims.
I wanted you to say this so I didn't put words in your what they could hear on news broadcasts and none of it was
I wanted you to say this so I can put words in your mouth.
The others confirmed this that they were promised that they would not be arrested and go to
jail if they came out and that's exactly what happened to them isn't it?
Exactly.
Not only that, they shipped several of them off to different parts of the country.
And when they do that they take all of their property including their phone numbers and
things that they have to contact people outside.
The only way they can contact anyone outside is if they can get to a phone.
Some of them have been put in isolation where their phone privileges are cut off and they
can't even use the phone.
And then when they were moved, even if they could use the phone, they didn't have access to their phone numbers and you can't dial information from a jail because you have to make collect calls everywhere that you call.
So basically they're held as political prisoners with no way of communicating with the outside world.
Right, so the people who were in the church, Branch Davidian, had no reason at that point, in fact, they had every reason in the world not to trust what the FBI and the ATF promised them, because on every promise that they made, it turned out to be a lie.
Absolutely, and another thing that happened, and I remember this was a very big issue on our network, but it was not made a big issue at the press, and I was absolutely appalled that it wasn't.
The FBI out one side of its mouth is saying, well, we've made every opportunity available
to these people to come out, and yet, on at least two occasions, Bob Ricks has said that
someone had transgressed or done something that the FBI didn't like, and that anybody
that tried to come out a window or a door would be considered a threat to the agents
outside, and they'd be shot.
And they actually shot at Steve Snyder.
If they didn't shoot that agent that jumped off the roof that they claimed was a Branch
Davidian during the fire, did they?
No.
And this is the kind of thing, you know, I think that the story that was being presented
to the public was a completely different story than what was being given to the Branch Davidians.
Hey, Linda, I don't see how these guys can live with themselves.
I don't see how they can get up in the morning and look themselves in the mirror.
They're the most despicable group of liars and traitors and thieves and every other thing that you can think of that I've ever heard of in my entire life.
And where do they find these people anyway?
That was what I was saying when we saw this happening live on TV before I even knew.
Everything that we know now from the tape footage of the tank which was setting the fire and so forth, you could see when they were bashing that house, they weren't ventilating it to put in any tear gas.
I mean, they weren't making small holes to inject tear gas.
They were bashing enormous holes, time and time again.
They used two or three tanks on the same hole.
They were destroying stairwells inside.
They were demolishing the building.
And I said, where did they get the guy that's driving that tank?
Well, we know that a good percentage of the agents of the FBI, the ATF, the Central Intelligence Agency and other agencies of the United States government were recruited from Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City, Utah.
We know that for a fact.
Let's go to the day that the fire occurred.
What do these people say about what really happened on that day?
That's interesting.
It depends on, as I said, I've only talked to a couple of the people that were there, and the stories are inconsistent.
One of the people that I've talked to, and I really don't want to name him on the air, and I'll tell you why in a minute.
That's okay.
I very strongly believe in British Secret Service agents and there's actually two people
that are British Secret Service agents and they claim to have survived the fire
and they claim they're also providing some cover stories for some of the things
that we can prove the government did such as you know the claims that the Branch Davidians were
on the roof setting the fire.
The reason the government made that it was a seat of the pants cover your butt kind of thing because one
of their agents had been accidentally photographed on the roof.
And then you'll remember they immediately changed the story and said oh somebody coming
out said one of the Branch Davidians set the fire inside.
And then they changed the story yet again to fire was all over set inside
because the Branch Davidians wanted to commit suicide.
What did the survivors say?
Well there was absolutely, every single one of them said there was no suicide pact, never any talk of suicide ever.
That was absolutely ridiculous.
And all of these people are not mind controlled or crazed moonies, they're very nice people, every one of them that I've talked to.
You can have an ordinary conversation with them like you would with anybody else, and for the most part, they're calmer and more rational than the average person would be, particularly after this kind of a war.
I mean, all these people lost, if they didn't lose family members, they lost friends, but most of them lost children or a husband or a wife or, you know, a brother or sister somewhere in the fire.
Yeah, but what did they say about what happened on that day?
The ones that I can determine that were really actually there and survived were in one particular part of the house, which is that end of the house where the trap door was on the left.
Uh huh.
And they haven't got much memory of the day of the fire, other than jumping out the window.
And it was very traumatic for them.
And that's one of the key things about this.
Were they wearing gas masks?
They did wear gas masks earlier in the day, yeah.
And so what, they were huddled in a corner and they just stayed there until the fire came and they jumped out the window?
Is that what they say?
Essentially.
And they didn't ever see anybody else.
That's another common key in this, is that the people that were there didn't see any of the other people, which is real strange because there's a hundred people in there.
It's not strange when you consider that they were probably all murdered in that underground bunker before the fire even started.
I don't think it's strange.
It looks to me like a common thread with the survivors is that they were in one particular
part of the house that for whatever reason did not get struck by a tank because it's
that back left corner of the house behind the trap door.
They collapsed that one side of the house, one side of that edge, but not that tiny little
corner back there.
It was pretty much left alone after the initial attack that collapsed it over the trap door.
Now the one guy that I'm telling you I think is a government agent, I don't put any stock
in what he says about what happened on the day of the fire.
And I don't think the other one was either.
And the interesting thing is, you can see in the film footage of the people that were being taken off on the day of the fire, three of the men are already wearing orange jail jumpsuits.
Well, you don't get a jail jumpsuit until you get processed in the jail, you get deloused, you get a shower and all this, and then you get your jumpsuit.
You don't get an orange jumpsuit until after all that happens.
These guys have them on as they're being taken away, which indicates to me that they were
brought there first from the jail.
Well, of course, they had to be.
And another thing, I have some film footage of the day that this particular guy, that's
a government agent, was actually taken out of the center and he's easily recognized in
the picture in the car that's taking him away.
And he claims to have survived the fire.
So I don't think that the story of some of the people surviving the fire is true.
I don't think they were even in the fire.
You know, Linda, one thing that comes out of all of this, even for the small amount
of patriots who will come out and fight for our creator-endowed rights and to reestablish
the Constitution as the supreme law of land and try to save this nation,
If we're up against a force that is apparently as stupid as these people are, who can't lie right, and who can't perpetuate the lie and make it stick, and come out with so many different lies to cover up the first lie and the second lie and the third lie that it becomes so obvious that they're lying, and can't even understand that if they're going to bring somebody down there and push them off as having been in the church when it burned, right when they're supposed to have been taken captive, not to bring them down there in their jailhouse uniforms.
I mean, we just might have more of a chance than I thought, after all.
We just might win this battle if these people are just as no-brain as these people seem
to exhibit.
Yeah, but how no-brain are the people who believed all this and didn't even look?
Well, they're the sheeple of the world who've been taught all their life not to question
authority and to believe whatever they're told.
And nothing like this can ever happen in America.
Anybody who comes out with the truth must be a raving lunatic's conspiracy freak.
Hey, these are the same sheeple that exist all over the world.
These are the people who refused to believe the stories that people would be taken off to labor camps where they ultimately died in Germany in World War II.
And these are the same people that were told to get their suitcase and they were going to be transferred to another town where they could live, went outside and were marched down to the railroad station in groups of two or three hundred by two or three guards whom they could have overpowered easily.
That's what we're talking about.
Yeah, it is.
And there's still people that have the... There's been a few people that have seen the tape, and rather than sit there and digest what they've seen and do something about it, they try to find ways to explain it away.
You know why, Linda?
It's because if they acknowledge that what they're seeing is true, they now have knowledge of tremendous crimes and treason perpetrated against the American people, and they then become responsible to do something about it.
Only, you know what?
They're cowards.
They can't admit it because they can't do anything about it because they're too scared.
They could do something about it and that's the whole point.
That's right.
Let me tell, this was the problem I had when I found all these things and I had no motivation, believe me, to have been involved in this other than I felt like I was pretty much told to get involved in it by my higher power.
Not going into that very much.
I felt like I had to be involved in it after the Weaver situation.
But after I discovered all this stuff, you know, with the cameramen protecting the government by moving away from whenever they did something bad, to the media standing up just regurgitating the lies the feds were telling, to Bob Ricks telling lie after lie after lie.
I mean, we've written down, we've got all the AP and UPI releases, and if you just lay
them end to end, there was a lie a day, and the media just stood up there and regurgitated
it.
After we found all these things, and we found the fire footage, and the guys on the roof,
and the guys with the fireproof suits, and the picture was very clear.
You know, one of the things you told me, Linda, and I want to bring this out now, in light
of the 27 hours on the mystery of the religion of Babylon, the priests of the God of Fire,
you told me that you have some footage, which you're going to send to me, we're going to
make a video on this, or at least attach it to the video that you've already made or something,
to get it out to the American people to confirm this.
Uh, you actually have video footage of these guys with their arms up in the air actually worshipping the fire.
Right, but when I saw it, you see, I didn't know anything about the...
You didn't know anything about the mystery religion of Babylon, did you?
No, I didn't.
But when I saw it, that was... and I didn't know it.
You know, it wasn't something that I could look at them doing this, and based upon my prior knowledge of the motivations of the people involved, guess what they were doing.
But you would see... you know, I just saw them doing it, and I nudged my husband, and I said, this looks like this guy's worshipping this iron.
Look at this!
Either a Branch Davidian one, you know, what's this guy doing?
And then we saw a couple more doing the same thing in the later footage.
That's exactly what they're doing.
Linda, thank you.
We'll be back with Linda Thompson again tomorrow night.
Folks, that's it.
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