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Jan. 26, 1993 - Bill Cooper
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Dave Duffy (of Backwoods Home Magazine) interview
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Now for some good news.
Some time ago, on satellite, I did two shows about an obscure little radio station in Phoenix, Arizona, KAPW and its owner-operator.
Those two shows concentrated on the points in law which specifically forbids the FCC from interfering with KAPW simply because KAPW is not subject to the jurisdiction of the FCC.
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in starting a low-power FM station in your area.
Those two programs covered all the points in law.
Now, the good news, folks, is that after being shut down by the FCC and dogging it out, challenging the FCC on the legal points that came out on the show the hour of the time, KAPW, we are happy to announce is back on the air, operating legally in Phoenix, Arizona.
So, let that be a lesson to you.
Just because some agency of the federal government comes and struts in front of your face and tells you you can't do something, it doesn't mean they're right.
In fact, as many times as not, they are operating outside the law, and you're the one who is within the law.
All you have to do is study the law, study the Constitution, apply the points of law, and don't argue superfluous, ridiculous issues.
For instance, many people would have argued freedom of speech, freedom of the airways.
Airways belong to the people and all of that crap.
They did not apply in that instance, and they don't apply in most instances.
Tonight's program, we have a guest, folks.
He's a man who is a man of the law.
He's a man of the law.
He's a man of the law.
Our special guest tonight is Mr. Dave Duffy.
He's the editor and publisher of Backwoods Home Magazine.
Now, folks, this is not, I repeat, not an advertisement.
This is a regular show, the hour of the time you knew that I do not take advertisers on this program.
I, myself, have subscribed to Backwards Home for a long time, in fact, since it first came out.
It's not under my name, but nevertheless, the subscription still comes directly to my home.
It is my subscription, and I pay for it.
Backwoods Home Magazine is one of the best magazines that I have seen anywhere.
For anyone who wants to become self-sufficient, get out of the system, get off the power grid, learn to live on their own efforts, this is the magazine of choice.
This is the magazine that I recommend.
Understand that I'm not getting any money for this whatsoever.
Mr. Dave Duffy is a man who long ago realized that it was important to get out of major population centers.
He wanted to live in the country, wanted to build his own home, but it was at a time in the recent history of the United States when real estate values soared so high and interest rates were so out of sight that it appeared to Mr. Duffy that his dream was not going to come true.
He purchased a small tract of land.
and began building his own home, and because he was so successful, and because the cost of his land and his home stayed within the limits that are affordable by almost anyone in this country, he decided to publish a magazine on how to build your own home, and that magazine evolved into Backwoods Home, which is not only how to build your own home, But how to build your own power system, hot water systems, heating systems, grow your own food, make your own medicine from available plants and herbs, and many, many, many other subjects.
How to become a blacksmith.
You would be amazed at the articles that are in this magazine, Backwoods Home, and I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised and a little amazed at Mr. Dave Duffy.
So, without further ado, let's get into the meat of this program, The Hour of the Time.
Dave, welcome to The Hour of the Time.
Thank you very much, Bill.
Can we start off by getting some of your background?
What have you been up to all your life?
Well, I'm 48 years old.
I spent 10 years prior to launching Back With Home magazine, which is now just entering its fourth year.
As a computer analyst in the defense department, technical writer and editor.
Prior to that, I spent 10 years as a newspaper reporter for such dailies as the Las Vegas Sun, a couple of small newspapers, the Stockley Press in Ventura, California, and the Lowell Sun.
That was Jack Kerouac's old paper in Lowell, Massachusetts.
That's really interesting.
Did you know Jack Kerouac personally?
No, I didn't.
He was older than I was.
He had left the paper years before I joined the staff.
I got out of the Army and my line commander, Colonel Dismett, got me my first newspaper job at the Lowell Sun.
That's when I learned that was Kerouac's paper and he was revered there.
He was revered in a lot of places.
Dave, what did you do in the Army?
I was a military journalist.
I joined during the Vietnam era in 1966.
I joined rather than be drafted and have to serve as a grunt and maybe get shot.
I figured if I could join and get an education, and then if I got shot, at least I'd get something out of it.
So they sent me to the Wiz Bang 10-week journalism course in Fort Benjamin, Harrison, Indiana, which they are about to close down.
That's one of those military bases getting the X.
And from that I launched my journalism career.
I never took a journalism course in my life formally other than that.
And when they say the Army is a good place to start, I'm not a big fan of the military per se, but it was a great place to start for me.
I was 22 in 10 weeks.
They gave me the beginnings of being a journalist and I spent three years as a photojournalist in the Army.
Mainly in Europe, in Germany, in the United States.
I come out, I knew myself.
That's great.
So you didn't just retire and decide to start this magazine, you had quite a few years of journalism behind you.
Yes, I have a very strong writing background.
Most magazines are started, from what I can figure out, by businessmen, in particular advertising people.
I have a limited business experience except for working for the defense department in Technical editing capacity.
I come from a pretty strong writing background.
The credentials that are not supposed to make a magazine work.
But I think it has benefited me because I could pay attention to the writer and not the advertisers.
I make a lot of mistakes dealing with advertisers.
But I have a good loyalty among my writers.
I used to be a freelance writer on the side.
Most of my life, ever since I left the army when I was 25, 25, 45, 23 years ago.
And I can remember getting checks for my freelance work by secretaries who didn't know my name.
I'd never meet the publisher, never meet the editor, or if I did, I'd meet a low-ranking editor.
I treat the writers, and there's a little over a hundred, might be 125 by now, who work part-time, you know, on a freelance basis for the magazine, with a lot of courtesy.
When they get their check, they get a personal note from me, often a telephone call, and a thank you for doing the research, because I'm fairly demanding.
As an editor also, I just don't want an article.
I want an article from somebody who's knowledgeable in the area.
And if it doesn't cover the points I think have to be covered, it goes back.
And I think that coming from the writer's perspective has stood me well because nothing leads into advertising for me.
Everything is from my writer's eye saying it has to answer the questions from the reader.
It must answer.
What, when, why, where, how, it can't lead into just another booklet that you're gonna, uh, the article's gonna ask you to send off and get in for more information.
Sure.
A lot of writers, surprisingly, want to write an article, but they don't want to go complete.
You know, they may be writers of books or of good pamphlets, and I say, I want that entire pamphlet, or I want that entire book in there, the gist of it, so whoever's reading the article, Well as a reader and a subscriber I can certainly say that all the articles fit the bill.
He says you get your credit at the end.
Parenthetically.
Very often with the writer, especially if they have a book on I'll give you a name,
address and telephone number.
So he says he will contact you a lot of the read as well but I want a complete article
so people can do what you were talking about from your article.
Well as a reader and a subscriber I can certainly say that all the articles fit the bill.
Things that we have read like do it yourself articles that we have done we didn't get hung
up on anything and everything that we needed was listed there and all of the steps and
there was no problem.
And that's difficult.
I mean even if you buy a product that you have to assemble yourself, often you get a set of instructions that will drive you mad trying to figure it out.
You buy a computer program and the book that comes with it drives you nuts.
Absolutely.
It takes somebody coming out of their garage who becomes an expert in that to write another
book for the whatever product, the IBM product or the Macintosh product.
Dave, you're in Ashland, Oregon.
Is that your home?
Yes, the magazine actually started off in Ventura, California about 700 miles south of here and he moved up here a little less than a year ago.
I've been building a house in the mountains above Ashland for seven years and it's been always my goal to Get up here.
As a matter of fact building that house is what has actually prompted me to start the magazine.
Well that's good.
So you had lived in the big city or near big cities and you'd always wanted to get out into the country.
I grew up in Boston, Massachusetts which is sort of a eating side city.
A million people live there by now I guess and I moved to California 20 years ago.
I was living in Ventura which is about 60 miles north of L.A.
So I was experiencing a lot of increased growth, increased smog.
And everything that goes with the increase in population, you know, more crime, more burglaries, more government calls if you want to do anything.
Just the week before I left, they towed my trailer that was parked in front of my house, you know, a 26 foot long comfort because it's been parked there more than 10 days.
You always get more of that.
When these rural areas or semi-rural areas become very city-style.
20 years ago when I moved to Ventura from Boston, it was quite nice.
As a matter of fact, I went in there and I said, I didn't actually move from Boston.
I went from Boston to Las Vegas and then to Ventura.
And he said, what kind of a hick town is this?
Turned out to turn into a big city after a while.
I was going to ask you, Dave, what prompted you to choose this type of magazine over any other type, but I guess you've answered it.
You said building your home.
Well, you know, let me elaborate on that just a bit, Bill.
About, I guess it's about nine years ago now, I got divorced while living in Ventura.
And I had owned a beach house, well, eleven houses back from the beach.
But most of the time I was living in California, which at that time now would have been about 11 years.
And through the divorce I lost the house.
We just had to sell it.
Neither could afford to buy each other out.
And we split up the money.
We ended up with about $28,000 each.
I sat on that money for about a year trying to figure out what to do.
I wanted another house.
That was at a time when housing prices in California and then all over the country were going through the roof.
Absolutely.
I took $17,000 of that money and bought two and a half acres right on the edge of, I call it a BLM wilderness.
Most of the land is 31 miles above the ocean.
It's owned by either BLM, Warehouse of Timber, or One Lines Ranch.
And I invested the $17,000 in that land.
And the reason why that was expensive, because the land at the time was going for a couple thousand acres.
It had a nice big creek going through it.
And with the remainder, $11,000, I built myself a house.
So I was back in the housing market with about $28,000 when houses were going for $250,000 in Southern California.
And I said, wow.
And the reason I located up here, by the way, I used to vacation up here all the time.
This is off of I-5, going up through Ashland, Oregon, up towards Canada.
I used to vacation.
I said, boy, I like the Ashland area.
I like the country around here.
And I would love to relocate here someday.
And that was part of what led to the divorce too.
But divorce, I was stuck with, I'm out of a house, what am I going to do?
And so I built my own house.
And the house, right now I have more than $11,000.
That's what I probably have closest to $20,000, maybe $22,000.
It's nice and comfortable, very remote.
I'm a homeowner again without a mortgage.
Well, if you're listening to this, folks, how would you like to have a home for $22,000 on two acres of land in a beautiful country setting with lots of trees and a nice climate?
And Oregon fits all of those bills.
I'm looking at the magazine right now, Dave, and it says the sensible way to store and use food, blacksmithing, heating and windows systems, water wheels, home canning, herbal first aid, I have back issues that have subjects like solar power, hot water, all of these kinds of things and many more.
That's not even a drop in the bucket.
But you have articles on guns, hand-loading your ammo, social conditioning, women and self-defense.
You have a lot of articles in your magazine for women, I noticed.
This is just more than owning a house.
You're telling people here how to really get out of the system and survive on their own, aren't you?
Yes.
What happened was, even though the magazine started by building my own house, I decided that that was so easy to do compared to how hard I thought it would be to get back into a house that I'm going to write a book about how to build a house for at the time was about $10,000.
But to test market that book, because I had written the book long ago, the publisher made a lot of money and I made only a little bit, I decided to launch a magazine called Backwards Home about building your own house.
And then I said, well if it's Back with Tom we have to cover a few other themes so I did a lot of research and contacted some other writers I had known and we've come up with some articles on God and some articles on self-sufficiency.
Some articles on alternative energy because I had intended to put a solar electric system in my house.
So we launched a, I guess we were first issued with 40 pages and it was such a big response to that.
That the magazine was launched.
I never really intended to launch the magazine, per se.
This was going to be, see how many... It's interest for my book, though.
My book, How to Build a House, I never wrote that book.
Now we're just going to press with the 19th issue of the magazine.
Once you're out in the country, you'll learn what the needs of country people are.
And they very often turn to poor self-sufficiency and preparedness.
They often turn to jobs.
A lot of people move to the country and they have to run back to the city with their tail between their legs because they can't find a living.
We devote, keep coming to this show, I think we have three articles on jobs that are well suited to the country.
We do a lot of research on them.
We do about 10% of each issue on alternative energy.
We're in the midst of a three-part series on hydropower.
We do a lot on Photovoltaic.
Photo meaning light.
Voltaic, both.
So it's solar electricity.
Turning the sun directly into electricity.
It's a technology that is here today.
We touch a lot on generator power, because that's the traditional method of power.
One of my readers lived beyond the power lines.
And if you're going to bring the conveniences of modern life into your home, you need electricity, which stresses a good point.
A lot of people compare us to the old days of Mother Earth News.
And by the way, John Shuttleworth, who founded Mother Earth News back in the 70s and sold it in the 80s to some appetizing people out of New York, is a very big booster about it.
We've used three letters to the editor praising us from him, which I thank him for.
He sort of started a whole country theme.
Sure, but you're not really the same as the Mother Earth News.
The point I want to make is Mother Earth News wrote more for a hippie type audience when
they tackled technology and John forgive me for saying it they were right half the time
and they were wrong half the time.
Well they also had a philosophy that they were going to go completely back to the land
I mean just absolutely give up almost all.
The philosophy is move to the country because it's better for raising your kids.
It's better for your mental well-being.
You're getting out of the rat race which is going to kill you 10 years before your time.
But bring the modern conveniences of society with you.
Bring your microwave.
You can do that because you can create your own electricity no matter where you live through a variety of alternative energy, especially photovoltaic.
You can bring You really don't have to give up anything and you can become totally self-sufficient off the power grid not relying upon government or city or anything else in order to survive and have a good life and not have to give up the modern conveniences.
That's right and the advent of the personal computer has helped things even more because you can create a business on that personal computer.
My whole magazine is created on one 486 computer.
The first issue was created on a A compact desk pro, which is the clone of the IBM PC, that first little computer that was out.
They all, you know, real slow computers.
It took a little bit longer, now I have a faster machine.
But the entire thing that's done on that, with the exception of the art, good art, like the quality, you know, the artist drawings we have on our cover, are done by my artist, Don Childers.
And you just, any art you have, any photos, the computer creates the page, You can create so many jobs, a lot of mail, a lot of businesses for yourself, on the computer.
Part of the theme of the magazine too is all these people who go to the country and try to live their own life, they're good for the country.
75% of the new jobs in this country are created by small businesses.
They're not created by government, not created by the big IBMs of the world or any place like that.
They're created by small businesses.
These people who choose to leave the rat race, get away from the job they hate, and that they're probably living up to half their productivity from, they get into the country, they have to make a living, they work their butt off.
A lot of these small business entrepreneurs living in the backwoods, they're working 12, 13, 14 hours a day.
They're good for the country.
They create one or two jobs for people to help them with their business.
And they're not only good for the country, it's great for themselves.
Certainly.
Sure.
Well that's what I do.
I live out in the country.
I'm not anywhere near a city and we're self-supporting and self-sufficient.
We don't look around for someone to give us anything or for someone to give us a job or we have to go to somebody else to earn our way.
I've always been a great believer that all of us have been given something that is just incredible.
It's called a brain and if we just use it we don't need anybody else.
And it's so, so wonderful to be able to be not under somebody else's thumb, to make your own decisions, to decide what you're going to do today and how much you're going to do and what your income is going to be and do something that you really like to do.
Well, folks, it's time to take a little break.
You're listening to the Hour of the Time.
I'm your host, William Cooper, with our special guest, Mr. Dave Duffy, editor and publisher of Backwoods Home Magazine.
Stay tuned.
We'll be right back.
You know that I don't sell advertising.
I invited Dave Duffy on this show because I think Backwoods Home Magazine is probably one of the best magazines that anyone in this world could ever subscribe to.
And we're going to get into some other things, too.
We were just talking about what's good for the country, and one of the things that I
really like about Dave Duffy and Backwoods Home Magazine are his editorials and his articles
are not always about how to build a home or how to become self-sufficient or how to can
food.
In this last issue, there's an inter...
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Well, it's time to get back to our interview with Mr. Dave Duffy, editor and publisher of Backwoods Home Magazine.
Hi to all of my listeners out there wondering what in the world this is really all about.
Well, folks, you're hearing what it's really all about.
This is not an advertisement.
I am a person who I don't plug anything and I don't put anything out on my show and you know that I don't sell advertising.
I invited Dave Duffy on this show because I think Backwoods Home Magazine is probably one of the best magazines that anyone in this world could ever subscribe to.
We're going to get into some other things too.
We were just talking about what's good for the country and one of the things that I really like about Dave Duffy and Backwoods Home Magazine are his editorials and his articles are not always about
how to build a home or how to become self-sufficient or how to can food.
In this last issue, there is an interview with Andre Moreau, who is the libertarian
candidate for president in this coming election.
And Dave Duffy has written an awful lot of editorials on the Constitution and what's
happening to this country.
And he's a great supporter of the second article in Amendment to the Constitution.
And you all know that I am also.
In fact, we've done several whole shows just on that subject here.
Dave, if people want to subscribe to your magazine, how do they do it?
Well, it's $17.95 a year.
We publish every other month, so six issues a year.
Check a money order of cash, we're not lucky, to 1257 Siskiyou Boulevard.
That's S, like in Sam, I-S-K-I-Y-O-U.
Box 213 Ashland, Oregon.
That's A-S-H-L-A-N-D.
And the zip is 97520.
Okay, you heard that, folks.
If they want to call it in, they can, too.
It's Area 503-488.
That's great.
Yearly subscription, six issues, $17.95.
a visa but we're just going to see you in the database and send you a bill.
That's great.
Yearly subscription six issues seventeen ninety five and you send that to Backwoods Home Magazine
one two five seven Siskiyou Boulevard S-I-S-K-I-Y-O-U Boulevard number two thirteen Ashland Oregon
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Well, that's fantastic.
Thank you, Dave.
Another good benefit for my listeners, $2 off.
If you send a check or money order and say that you heard about this magazine on this show, The Hour of the Time, you'll get it for $15.95 instead of $17.95, and that's pretty good.
By the way, just to clarify something for your listeners, There is another magazine sometimes we are confused with which is called Back Home.
That's out of North Carolina and was started by editors let go from Mother Earth News when they folded a year ago.
Mothers had since come back bought by a Briton but sometimes we get confused with Back Home which is a former Mother Earth editor so that's not us.
We're totally different.
We're a year older than them.
Okay.
Just remember folks this is Backwoods Home Magazine and it's out of Ashland, Oregon.
Dave, tell me a little bit about, you know, it's very unusual for somebody who writes magazines, who publishes magazines like you're publishing, to have the political viewpoint that you do.
Can you tell me a little bit about your political viewpoint, some of the editorials that you've written, and why you do this?
I know you come under a little flak from some of your readers because I see in the letters such... You've got to start from the point that of all the country magazines out there, I would guess 9 out of 10, maybe a higher percentage, maybe 99% are written by people who are very quote environmentally aware.
Their political philosophy tends to lean My political philosophy started out, like all young men, as a liberal from Boston, and as I learned how the world really operated, I became much more conservative, and probably I'm even more libertarian now.
But basically, I believe in the Founding Fathers had it right from the beginning.
That this is a... We should form a... They wanted to form a country that had very limited government and very maximum freedoms.
And we've had that country for years and years and years.
But over the past hundred years or so, it's especially accelerating over the past... We'll say since the 30's when we hit the Depression.
We've had a country with far fewer freedoms.
The federal government has virtually all the power in the country, and in another 20 years if we keep electing republicrats, I think they'll have all the power.
Right now they have, to fight the drug war, they can stop you at the airport, and their dog snippers smell drug residue on some money you have, and almost half of the money in the country must have drug residue on it, a lot of businesses.
Well, don't they use dollar bill to roll up to snort coke?
Of course it's... I mean, the government can confiscate that money without due process.
It's up to you to get it back.
There's so much federal government intrusion and local government intrusion into our private lives.
It makes the country totally unlike what the country used to be.
Gee whiz, even 50 years ago.
But especially what I've finally found is He envisions it.
My magazine is political on one page.
I have a hundred page magazine.
One of my pages is editorial.
$7.99 a how-to.
Politics usually doesn't invade it.
Does not invade it.
But on my one page, I'm a very firm constitutionalist.
I think federal government should back off.
I think taxes should be cut.
I think the private enterprise should be given a chance to put the country back on its feet because we know the government has Horribly.
I think people should be allowed to, if they want, educate their own children because the public school system has failed horribly.
And I just think we should get back to good old American values and you can read the writings of Thomas Jefferson, Madison, Payne, a lot of people, George Washington, the founder of the country, see what they thought?
I would be horrified to see a George Bush and a Bill Clinton running for president.
I don't see any choice out there.
A guy like Andre Marou who represents the Libertarians.
I'm not trying to give a plug for Libertarians.
But that just happens to be a party that believes that governments should shrink to the point where its sole duty is to protect the citizens from foreign invasion and from harming each other.
It doesn't believe that the federal government, as Republicans and Democrats do, He should invade every facet of our lives, tell us how to raise our children, tax the businesses to the point where it's hard for small business to do business because he's paying so much of his revenue to the government.
Well, personally I believe that's intentional to force small business out of business.
He's doing it in California.
They had a survey I guess in the LA Times a year and a half ago.
The survey showed that one fourth of all businesses in California
is making active plans to move out of the state.
States like Arizona and Colorado were actively courting them saying,
hey we have lower taxes here.
California's unemployment rate is starting to go through the roof.
Five years from now or seven years from now, when the unemployment rate really goes through the roof,
The politicians in California will be saying, gee, there's a problem here.
Let's tax businesses.
Tax the rich.
By the rich, they mean anybody who's making over about $40,000 a year, I think.
Let's tax all them and get social welfare programs going, and let's get more government programs going, and let's get the federal government to beef up businesses and subsidize this one and that one.
States like Arizona wouldn't be saying, hey, we want to give small businesses a chance.
Those states are going to try.
If government would just back off and let people do their own thing, create their own wealth, trade as they wish, you know, make a product and not have to tack on all the government taxes, I think the country would pull out of the recession.
Absolutely.
Congress has this incredible deficit right now.
A guy like you and I aren't even going to get stuff like social security.
The people who are getting social security now are getting ten times what they put into it.
But by the time... I'm the baby boomer.
I'm 48.
By the time I'm retired, I think it's projected there'll be four workers for every retired person.
There's simply not enough money.
Just run the actuarial table.
There's not enough money unless the government decides to inflate the dollar more than they have.
Well, I'm of the opinion that if everybody took what they were paying into Social Security and put it into the lowest yield, interest-bearing account of any kind, any kind of investment, even the lowest yield, by the time that they reached retirement age, they would be so well off that they wouldn't even believe it.
But if they stay in Social Security, they're not going to get anything.
And it is a voluntary program.
You did an article about that.
There is a program out there.
We did a two-part series on the national health care system.
I forget what issues.
There were four or five issues back.
So by a Canadian, Martin Waterman, he does a lot of my book reviews.
He's been living with the Canadian health care system.
So his first article said it doesn't work.
It's on the verge of bankruptcy.
And he said, don't believe what all the politicians are telling you because it's not going to work in the United States either.
And the second article he talked about what's referred to as the Singapore system.
Uh, I forget the exact name, but it's a retirement account system.
It allows you to set up your own, it's sort of like an IRA account, for your own health care.
It gives you tax deductions to set that up.
It requires a certain amount of responsibility on people to set it up, and naturally there are going to be some people who will never set up anything.
And so you will have to have some sort of net to keep those who will always fall through the cracks to help them out.
It allows the average person I noticed you do something in your editorials and you have articles in your magazines on, for instance, here's one, hand-loading your ammo is far cheaper than buying it.
anything like that. It's just talking about socializing.
I noticed you do something in your editorials and you have articles in your magazines on
for instance here's one, hand loading your ammo is far cheaper than buying it. You have
other articles and other issues on the best kind of weapon for hunting and for self protection
and all kinds of things.
But it's refreshingly nice to me to see someone in a magazine that supports the second article in amendment, which I know is the only reason why we're free today.
And it's the only reason why we'll be free tomorrow.
And I know that the moment that we let the guns out of the hands of the American people that we won't stay free.
And all I have to do to know that is look at history.
The incidence of modern gun control in our time is Adolf Hitler instituted in Germany.
That's correct.
We're going to have to do that because eventually people will catch on to what's going on.
Every time a part of the country used to take over, first thing they'd do is institute gun control.
Our family fathers knew when they started the country That the worst enemy lurking in the woods would be our own government down the line.
Yes.
It looked like it was going to come from a foreign invader.
They knew eventually people would get in power, and they'd say, well, let's take these rights away from the citizens, and let's assume a little bit more power on the state level, and let's assume a little bit more power on the federal level.
The reason they wrote the Second Amendment is for the Constitution.
You can read this from reading the writings of all the early All the people involved with the Bill of Rights and Constitution want so people have the means to rebel against their own government.
It wasn't just to go hunting.
It wasn't just to protect themselves against the burglars.
And you know, some people up here, some people like critics of these, pulling their hair out now, say well all they had was muzzle loaders.
That was state of the art.
Their idea was the people need to be armed with state of the art weaponry, That's correct.
The truth is, is that no crime has ever been committed with a legally registered machine gun, with a tank that someone has purchased from the military, with any kind of what people would call a super dangerous weaponry.
There are many, many, many people in this country who own machine guns.
And I mean the real, real machine guns.
But you have to register with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and the whole works to get a special permit to have them.
No crime has ever been committed with any of those weapons.
Nobody who commits crimes goes through the legal process to get their weapons.
Right now in England, handguns are banned throughout the entire country of England.
Yet last year in London over 5,000 serious felony crimes were committed with handguns in the city of London.
The truth about this whole matter is that somebody who wants a gun to kill somebody with is going to get a gun and they're going to kill that person and there's nothing anybody can do about it.
But the day that a despot rises to power in this country and takes our freedoms away, if the people don't have guns they won't be able to do anything about it.
And they are always helpless against the criminals who are able to get guns no matter what the law says.
That's why they're called criminals.
And we never learned a lesson from Prohibition.
We never learned that lesson.
I was going to say the same thing.
We outlawed alcohol once.
And everybody who... Such a marginal dip in alcohol consumption went down according to historians.
That's a crime in itself.
It barely went down.
What we did was we created Absolutely.
It created organized crime.
That's correct.
That's correct.
organized crime.
But if you outlaw handguns, you're going to, what you're doing is taking, or any kind of
gun, you're taking guns away from law abiding citizens.
That's correct.
The crooks are going to get their guns anyway.
That's correct.
And I believe that the people who have the biggest vested interest in taking the guns
away from the American people are the socialists who would like to see us become a socialist
totalitarian state.
Khrushchev said it.
He said, we don't have to invade you.
We don't have to bomb you.
You will be destroyed from within.
Now it's kind of interesting now that the demise, the so-called demise of the Soviet Union has taken place.
And they're all running towards democracy.
It's like we have just happened heading in the opposite way.
Well, it's strange.
That's absolutely true because nobody in this country who is a socialist or a communist has learned that lesson.
They're still trying to propel us into socialism when every experiment in socialism and communism has failed.
Failed not only failed, but failed absolutely miserably.
It's failed so bad.
But they still have that yearning for the utopia on earth where Where they don't have to be responsible, and they don't have to do anything, that they'll be taken care of and protected by Daddy.
They're little children, Dave.
I really believe that in my heart, that they're children who have gone out, left home, looked at the world, and have become so afraid that they have to build a huge, tremendous socialist bureaucracy to protect them from the world.
And since they don't believe in God, this is all they have, so they've got to cling to No matter what, there's nothing else.
There's nothing after.
You know, unfortunately, my magazine takes a fairly strong stand on the environment.
I thought we should take care of it.
Even we recognize that a lot of the people who would like to put socialism into every aspect of this country are heavily involved in the environmental movement.
Well a lot of times they use the environmental issues as a means of giving control to the government over things that the government has no business controlling.
They're ruining the environmental movement and they're going to cause a backlash that's going to hurt the environment worse than ever.
They want to set aside large tracts of land so the government can manage management to protect things like the spotted owl.
If history shows anything it shows land managed by the government suffers environmentally.
Land privately owned You've been privately owned by a logging company.
Companies benefit because they have an economic stake in making sure that land isn't screwed up.
Yet people talk about clear-cutting.
I've got a lot of areas around my area.
Heavy growth areas around my home up in the mountains up above Ashland which have been clear-cut and replanted and the trees are now standing about 10 to 12 feet tall.
They're going to produce timber later.
Anybody with an economic stake That is, it has private ownership of land.
It's going to take care of it.
The government has no economic stake.
We need large tracts of land that a lot of the socialist ones are going to take over.
A good lesson is, just yesterday, some ministry in the Russian government produced a report that said Russia is on the verge of a cataclysm environmentally.
Yes.
The rivers are screwed up.
Two out of three, or I think it's two out of three, or three out of four Russians who live in cities are living in air quality that is ten times worse than the acceptable limits in this country.
This is what socialism has done.
The government has run the Soviet Union for twenty years, and this is what has resulted.
And they ran Poland, the Volga River, they tried to dredge it.
A hundred yards stretch of that about two years ago, it dug up so many many much poisons and sediments that thousands of dead fish washed downstream.
You have the government run anything, no matter how good their intentions, they're going to screw it up.
They always have in the past and they always will.
If you have private people run it, you're going to have your people in there that they don't give a damn and they're going to rape the land and stuff, but mostly you're going to have people who have an interest in their own land and they're going to take care of it.
You're listening to the Hour of the Time.
My name is William Cooper and my guest is Dave Duffy, the publisher and editor of Backwoods Home Magazine.
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What are some of the benefits to living in the country?
Well, you're less likely to be mugged when you walk home.
Your wife is less likely to be raped.
You're probably going to have a few years on your life because you're not subject to the stress of living in the city with all the crimes that puts on a family and all the stresses that you're working on a job that you dislike.
Usually if you move to the country you have to find your own way to make a living.
You tend to seek out an area that you know You tend to develop a living around that, whether it's making toys and selling them mail order.
There's a surprising number of people in the country who can make things with their hands.
And we have a very efficient mail system in this country, in spite of what you have heard, which is kind of a Canadian system.
And you can sell, make products in your garage and you can sell them to other people.
We have a lot of advertisers who advertise their homemade products and I don't.
Well here's an article on the saddle shop created self-sufficiency for Idaho family.
Saddle shop, leather work, all of those kinds of things.
A lot of people are taking advantage of the new technology of photovoltaics and I bet you personally I know maybe 30 people Well, that's it folks.
husband and wife team that install portable tech systems on people's houses and portable
tech being solar electric panels go on the roof.
Those are a lot cheaper now aren't they Dave than they used to be?
They're still kind of pricey.
There's several avenues of technology that will come to fruition in three to five years
that'll drop the price by a factor of five I believe.
Well that's it folks we're out of time.
We want to thank Mr. Dave Duffy for his contribution and for being such a wonderful guest tonight
and maybe we can have him back at some other time.
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