THE BEE WEEKLY: Evangelicals, Catholics and Facebook Extremists Together
In this episode of The Bee Weekly, Kyle and Ethan are joined by fan favorite Seamus Coughlin of FreedomToons to talk about skunks in pickle jars, Facebook warning you about all the extremists they platform, and how The Babylon Bee doesn't make fun of Trump. There's also weird news, hate mail, and the ultimate showdown between Calvinists and Catholics that will once and for all settle all theological debates. The guys talk about the week's weird news like how a state owned oil company isn't real socialism, how much we all saved on our July 4th barbecues thanks to Joe Biden, and how a nefarious illegal coupon ring is going to bring down our civilization. We have another round of Real Things Blue Checks Say and then Kyle and Seamus debate which is the one true faith: Calvinism or Roman Catholicism. They then decide to be friends and laugh at this week's hate mail. In the lengthy Subscriber Lounge, Seamus, Ethan, and Laugh Track Patrick Green discuss their creative journeys and the pursuit of animation as a career and calling.
America wakes up on July 5th to find themselves 16 cents richer.
Cha-Ching!
Oil company opens up a portal to heck!
Wild Woman on Tractor evades the authorities.
Hey, what's the deal with this?
Skunk gets head stuck in pickle jar.
Babylon Bee accused of not making jokes about Trump.
Sad.
It's the ultimate showdown, Catholics versus Calvinists to the death.
All this and more on the B Weekly.
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All right, everyone.
Welcome to the Bee Weekly.
This is an exciting week.
We've got Seamus joining us.
Kyle, I don't know if you knew, but we actually already, do you remember?
We recorded this at the beginning of this show already.
We did record this.
Yeah, you don't remember there?
That?
There.
This?
No.
I mean, you recorded this.
Yeah, you weren't there.
I wasn't there.
But we, yeah, just to get time, you know, to save time.
So we'll play.
Just to remind and let's play the opening of the show.
Hey, this is Kyle Mann from Babylon B. I'm the editor-in-chief, and this is Ethan.
I'm the creative director.
Hi, Kyle.
How are you today, Ethan?
Great.
So what's the plan for today's podcast?
Because you didn't give any notes.
We're going to interview my board games about Calvinism.
Are you writing an article right now?
We're supposed to be doing a podcast?
I haven't doing both at once.
Do you know the psychological toll that having to record a podcast and write one article in the same day takes on a person?
I can't conceive of that.
Do you think Han Solo is a Calvinist?
I hadn't thought of that.
So, like, five-pointer, four-pointer?
You haven't thought about if he's one at all at all.
Solo pointer.
He's one-pointer.
Solo.
It's not funny.
Do you think that Chewbacca is a young Earth creationist?
Yeah, I wouldn't know.
understand wookie language he just goes like was the whole star wars universe made in six days or just earth and the rest of it could have taken millions of years That's true.
John Kelvin never talked about it as one fatal flaw.
John Kelvin never discussed Star Wars.
Why are you moving so much?
Are you okay?
I'm editor-in-chief.
I can do whatever I want to do.
It's hard on the guys on the camera.
They're trying to.
Now you're much lower.
I'm sorry.
Do you not think God is sovereign?
Lord of the Rings.
No, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So then why are you blaming me for the way I'm moving in this chair?
There's a lot of things about Calvinism that, you know, I'm kind of convinced by.
Fantastic.
But I also see that there's a lot of points for free will that I can't really let go of.
Sad?
I have not seen all of the Star Wars films.
Sad?
I liked Return of the Jedi.
Fantastic.
Oh, I really like the Hobbit movies.
Sad?
Do you think Yoda believes in infant baptism?
Do you think J.R.R. Tolkien was a secret Calvinist the whole time?
No.
Sad?
They say Tolkien was a Catholic, but it's just obvious to me that Tom Bombadil was a five-point Calvinist because he's the best character in cinema or in anything that I've ever seen.
So it wouldn't make sense for him to be anything else.
Because when you look at the philosophy of Tom Bombadil's life and what he spends most of his time doing, it becomes really obvious that at bottom he believes that.
Part of why John Calvin probably wouldn't believe that Thanor was saved ultimately or could be.
Do you think Boba Fett believes in total depravity?
No.
Do you think the Black Gate has anything to do with Chesterton's gate?
I mean, the principle of the gate that he used originally was really a pla...
Sure.
I mean, yeah.
So the principle of the gate, I think when Chesterton, it's really actually Chesterton's fence.
It's not Chesterton's gate.
I mean, Chesterton was really clear about his perspective.
What I'm trying to say about Chesterton is that it was actually technically his offense.
And so the point is just, you know, that tradition and, you know, the democracy of the dead.
I think that's the end of the show.
I think don't forget to subscribe to the Babylon Bee for more great podcasts like this one.
That was a good intro.
You guys remember that?
Do you guys even need me for the podcast?
Or do you just want to?
I thought it was wonderful.
I made a comment yesterday.
I'm like, this guy looks just like me.
A little bit.
Just a handsomer version of you.
Like stretched out Kyle.
Like, you were just like, yeah.
Squash and stretch.
Put me in nicer clothes.
They weren't.
Listen, I had a much better impression worked out, but they just kept saying, like, go Kermit, go, Kermit.
You have more Kermiti.
And I was like, all right.
He was trying to do like, like, real love.
He's like, hey, my name's Kyle.
No.
I was doing a different voice, but then they kept going more, more Jordan Peterson, more Jordan Peterson.
And it was all I could offer.
Sad.
Not good.
Not good.
It's like seeing yourself reduced to just cliches.
That's great.
I mean, I really do want to interview my board games.
I was wondering why my board games were all stacking up.
I'm like, somebody moved my board game.
Why did they move my board games?
And also, a lot of it just involves me ripping on you for things I didn't know that you did because they're just, oh, he did.
I literally have no idea.
They're like, just do this because Kyle does this.
And I was like, all right.
Well, if I can just say, fantastic.
That was sad.
Just fantastic.
Well, we got a big show for you guys today.
We got, well, we got weird news, but we also got a bunch of, oh my gosh, they tweeted that.
I can't believe they tweeted that.
I can't believe they tweeted that.
I can't believe it.
And then we got the throwdown of the century.
Catholics versus Calvinists.
I'll be moderating.
We have a backup Calvinist and a backup Catholic here.
So he can phone a friend?
Yeah, you can phone a friend.
Both of us having not studied the issues at all to brush up for this.
This will be amazing.
So, yeah.
So let's dive into this show.
Let's go with some weird news.
This news is weird.
A gas leak caused a massive fire to break out in the Gulf of Mexico, and the Mexican government dispatched fireboats to put it out.
So this was like an oil.
Are we mocking Mexicans?
Yes.
Those Mexicans.
So they were putting out fire that was in water with water.
With water.
Yeah, I didn't understand.
I mean, I assume that they're smarter than me.
I'm sure they've dealt with fire, but then I guess they put it out with a safe assumption.
Yeah Yeah.
But they used what they used?
Nitrogen.
I guess that worked.
It was fully contained five hours later.
Do you have to put out fire that's on water?
What would it do?
Would it spread?
Is it going to burn the ocean?
Well, that was what was actually burning under the water.
I think it's like a supply of what's burning, like with an oil leak.
You just have to shut the gate.
It don't you have to shut the bottle?
It won't burn it.
Like, won't it go away?
It seems like the safest place to have a fire is in the ocean.
I don't know about that.
No?
Can you think of a safer place to have a fire?
What's the space?
I don't know, but I also wouldn't say that the ocean is the safest place to have one.
I mean, I guess it makes sense because, like, what?
Well, no, that's fair.
Name another place.
Right, you're right.
Well, here's the thing: none of the fish are equipped to deal with water in their ecosystem.
So you're worried about that.
I'm very definitely worried about this.
Can't they swim out of fish?
They could get away.
Yeah, they could swim away, go deeper.
You guys are underestimating the difficulty of getting away from fire underwater when you've never seen it before.
Have you seen might just run into it?
They could just run into it.
They don't know what they're doing.
They're fish.
It's fire.
No, it's as if they're in the house.
Their largest building ever built in history, and the roof is on fire.
I don't understand what you're saying.
It's way up there.
It's on fire.
They're like, oh, let's get out of here.
Yeah, they're going to be fine.
No.
It doesn't even have raptors.
You're overestimating the intelligence of fish as well as their capability of dealing with fire.
Okay.
I've heard of forest fires.
I've never heard of ocean fires.
Well, I'm not a fishologist.
I've never seen it.
Marine biologists.
I know what I don't know about fish.
I know what I don't know about fish.
All right.
And I don't know how well they can handle fires.
So we're dealing with something that we've never, never, ever seen.
We're up to the gills with assumptions here.
All right.
That's that's horrible.
I feel like a few would swim into it, and then the rest would be like, oh, maybe I shouldn't swim into that.
We should get out of here.
So what ends up, what is the fallout from this?
I mean, what kind of chemicals end up in the water after the fire has burnt through whatever it is it's burning?
Because that also can't be good for the ocean, but I have no clue.
Again, but isn't it better than an underwater pipeline?
I don't know.
They got to shut that off.
That's my professional opinion.
Oil company.
I think they should turn it off.
I think they should stop the fire from happening.
And maybe don't let it break next.
Like an electric eel swam through the gasoline.
Oh, crap.
I don't know.
It's smoking a cigarette down there.
There's a leak.
One of those giant angler fishes.
They look like they smoke.
Now I'm curious about it.
Like, how did they get a spark?
I mean, how did it light on fire in the first place?
We didn't get those details into this.
Our notes here.
Well, sad.
Yeah.
I hope someone gets fired for that because.
Fired?
Fired?
Great pun, Seamus.
Good job.
Yeah, I'm glad you've joined us in the puns.
I'm happy to be here.
It was really slick.
I know.
The White House sent out a tweet bragging that the cost of a 4th of July cookout is down a whole 16 cents from last year.
Now, this will be old news by the time this goes up, but I mean, it's just so awesome.
It's funny.
I love that it just went through this whole social media approval process.
Yeah.
Hey, guys, we got this item.
Everybody's saving 16 cents.
Yeah, work up a graphic for that.
And let's share that.
Usually, people save a bunch of money because of policies.
It should be obvious in the amount of money that you're like, you have to let people know you saved 16 cents because nobody's going to go look.
16 cents.
Yeah, exactly.
16 cents?
You notice the gas prices.
You notice if you get like thousands of dollars in rebates or tax rebates or whatever.
Tax refund.
You don't usually notice the 16.
And I don't think it's true either.
Because if you go shopping, everything's expensive.
Yeah, there's a huge assumption.
Are you claiming the Biden administration would lie about 16 cents?
No, I would like to say that the Biden administration is extremely trustworthy and we believe everything that they say.
Okay, good.
Because they're going to get snopes on you.
Yeah.
Or that's 16 true.
It's a weird.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, you mentioned gas prices.
I was going to bring that up.
People know when stuff is actually getting more expensive or when they're actually saving money.
I think the average person has spent more than 16 cents more than they would have on gasoline.
Absolutely.
It cost me like $95 to fill up the other name.
Jesus.
Oh, my goodness.
Oh, that's California.
Yeah.
Let me tell you about the gas prices in Georgia, kids.
Not this bad.
More than they were, though.
I mean, worse than they were.
During the pandemic, it got down to like $125.
It was an expensive.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, it was pretty inexpensive.
$125.
So I saved about $0.16.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wow.
It's horrible.
Horrible.
Not good.
Well, don't spend it all in one place, everybody.
Montana Lake Visitors Rescue Skunk with Head stuck in a pickle jar.
That's a story.
There is a thing that happened.
That occurred.
It occurred to me.
All the men.
Yeah, well, it just happened.
A skunk got his head stuck in a McFlurry cup.
Is this not our first skunk getting away from the story?
He just had his head stuck in a container.
Yeah.
All right.
Last time it was McFlurry.
This time it was Picklejar.
This is the effect humans are having on the environment.
Something should be done.
Meaning all the men rose the occasion, like, I can loosen the pickle jar off that skunk.
Well, that's actually a really difficult task, right?
Because how are you not going to get sprayed while rescuing a skunk from a pickle jar?
This is where you find out because they didn't get sprayed.
Wow.
So this guy knew that they were friends.
They contained it in a box and then had his head stuck out of the box, I think, and they popped it off.
And then they like.
Dude, that skunk had no idea what was going on.
Yeah.
It's a good thing it wasn't just women trying to free him because they never would have to loosen to that.
Oh my gosh.
Guys, that's really offensive.
I don't like that kind of humor.
I saw a really sexist video you guys put out the other day, too, about women.
It's just.
But the man splaining?
Yeah.
Yes.
No, it was saying that man splitting is bad.
Yeah.
Oh, maybe it wasn't.
Yeah, it was misogynistic.
You're right.
Very.
No association between me and these guys.
That's just a given.
We need a permanent little caption underneath our guest always saying that there's zero association.
The FBI is investigating 87 people who are connected to an illegal coupon ring.
Coupon.
I'm just kidding.
I say coupon, but you said coupon.
That sounds ridiculous when you're talking about like 15 cents off of tomatoes or 16 cents off of your fourth if they're watching.
They're just trying to save their 60s.
But there are people who will make coupons that are like two $300 hard drives for the price of one.
And so people do end up stealing a lot of merchandise and product through those scams.
They're known in the underground world as dark side coupons.
That was the couponing group.
That was their gang.
So hold on, but this is crazy.
It stretched across 23 states, included 87 individuals, and it's documented to have cost retailers over $97 million.
Hold on.
Officials said preliminary results from the clearing house that process that, I'm sorry, process is valid.
Coupons for retailers have documented more than $9.7 million in laws.
Are they saying that's from this specific ring or just from fraudulent coupons in general?
Because 87 people costing $9.7 million and lost.
They only arrested three of them.
It says they had a whole sweatshop where people would print these coupons on coupon-style paper.
You say you say coupons, but you can't.
No, I don't say coupons.
I say coupons.
Is it coupon or coupon?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I never said it out loud.
If I look at it, I would just reason it out as coupon.
Right.
But I grew up saying coupon and I can't.
I can't.
That makes sense.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
Well, good job.
Yeah, I always wonder about that because coupons.
How do they know?
I mean, you know.
Yeah, but you got to scan them or something, but you got to think that some guy up there was like, well, it says whatever.
Well, $87 million.
I still can't get over that between 87 people.
These must have been subtle enough that they were like free TV with a purchase of Snickers bars.
That's $111,494 a person.
Yeah, how do you do that?
So that's got to be like crazy felony charges.
I want to see somebody.
You're in trouble.
You are in trouble.
You are definitely in trouble.
Woman on tractor arrested after joining 4th of July parade without permission, evading police.
I thought this was America.
Now, this is a confusing story.
It says on Saturday morning, police were called about a woman causing a disturbance while driving a tractor in the Rockwell Rockwall 4th of July parade staging area.
This is in Texas.
She was not allowed to take part in the parade, but she refused to cooperate with parade officials and officers and decided to join the parade anyways.
That seems very Independence Day-y.
I mean, there doesn't seem to be anything in that that doesn't mesh with the principles we're celebrating on the 4th of June.
Look at this picture of them catching her.
Oh my gosh, good for her.
No, that's the truth.
Every fourth time she gets out of there right there, and they're like, ah, every 4th of July, you look for her, and if you see her, you get one more year of freedom.
She doesn't pop out one year, we're in trouble.
I think you just invented a holiday.
The 4th of July, we'll call it.
So, yeah, they said she was driving dangerously, refusing orders from officers, and they tried to pull her over, but she refused to stop.
So finally, she was forced from the road.
She drove into a fence and her tractor was disabled.
Does that mean they like shot into the engine with it?
They slashed the tires.
Disabled it.
Drone strike.
Put it down.
Drone struck on the track.
That's amazing.
So yeah, she had a little adventure, and everybody had a little, it's probably the most interesting parade they've had.
How long do you think it took the police to catch her on this channel?
There's one video of it, but I don't know how, yeah, yeah, when it cuts off or whatever.
So how did they figure out she wasn't part of the parade?
Like everybody's going down the street.
Yeah, they probably lied.
I don't know.
I got a marching band, horses, crazy lady on tractor.
Wait a minute.
I don't think they start calling her crazy.
Well, it says she was driving erratically, so she's probably like going around.
Well, once the cops start chasing you and you're just trying to participate in the parade, you're probably going to get erratic.
And that's her.
I don't blame her.
Well, yeah.
I'm not passing any judgment.
The cops came after her.
She was just trying to drive her tractor.
Yeah, I thought that was a lot of people.
Peace LinkedIn freedom in this country.
Sounds like a peaceful protest.
Yeah, it is weird.
It's like just driving the parade, but maybe she was just weaving too much.
Facebook is now warning that you may have been exposed to harmful extremist content and asking if you have extremist friends.
I didn't get that warning.
I didn't even.
So I think that they know that I'm the guy that's exposing extremists.
Everybody to extremist content.
Oh my goodness.
Yeah, if you didn't get it.
Yeah, I've seen some of my friends posting that.
They got that warning.
So it says pop-up and it says, I had to bring it up.
So one says, there's two different messages.
One says, are you concerned that someone you know is becoming coming in extremist?
The other message will say your name.
So for instance, Michael, if your name is Michael, you have been exposed.
You may have been exposed to harmful extremist content recently.
Violent groups try to manipulate your anger and your disappointment.
You can take action now to protect yourself and others.
Is that real that there's a big picture of Mark Zuckerberg there?
Do they add that?
I think they had to have that.
No way.
Can you imagine?
He pops up on your screen.
He's like, hello there.
I know you've seen some extremist content lately.
Let's talk about that.
Let's sit down.
You have been exposed to extremist content.
Do they have what the signs are?
I want to know what the signs are.
I never saw if anybody actually clicked on the like, get help and what it takes you to.
Yeah, everyone's just posting screenshots and saying, what is the deal with this?
I don't know.
Because there's a button that says get help.
So where does that take you to?
Dude, it's Facebook coming like a rescue or something.
Yeah, exactly.
Like it sends you a re-education cam.
Activate SWAT team.
Activate SWAT team.
Exactly.
That is extremely creepy.
Yeah.
That is really creepy.
Telling your neighbors.
Yeah.
And are like people really being radicalized on Facebook?
Yeah, the Facebook is not.
Yeah, Facebook is not exactly the platform to get radicalized on.
I don't know anyone who's like, I spent some time on Facebook, man.
And all of me.
I don't know.
There's got to be some strange Facebook groups.
I'm sure they think we should raid the Capitol.
I got in this Facebook group and everyone was talking about building Lego sets and it's just game over.
Yeah.
People are getting radicalized elsewhere.
And even when they say people get radicalized on YouTube, it's like, no, people just watch content that you don't want them to watch on YouTube.
I'm sure some of them actually go into crazy conspiracy theory extremist stuff.
But usually they end up getting a lot of information from other places besides YouTube as well.
They're not just sitting on the platform.
So yeah, with Facebook, it's extra ridiculous.
What are you going to get radicalized into believing on Facebook?
Yeah.
And are they talking about Antifa and BLM people?
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Which direction in one direction?
That's only one direction.
When the country was literally on fire for like six to eight months there, we didn't see any of these warnings about being kids.
They were organizing their protests.
They were organizing their protests on Facebook.
On Facebook.
Yeah, so that's how you become radicalized.
You join BLM, which is really radical, man.
Wow, what a position to take.
Gonna get in a lot of trouble for that one.
Saying you're anti-fascist.
Whoa, man.
I wish Facebook would warn you when someone's about to try to recruit you into a pyramid scheme.
You may have been exposed to some lady from high school.
Dude, this extremist message on Facebook is literally, one of your friends might have posted something interesting lately.
Report them to us now.
That's bizarre.
Creepy.
I want to see the emails they're getting from people.
But we would like to thank Mark Zuckerberg as always for being a gracious.
We have so much respect for what you do.
Yes.
Thank you, Easter.
And let's go ahead and play the video of Mark Zuckerberg flying the American flag.
West Virginia, Blue Ridge Mountains, Shenandoah River.
Life is older, older than the trees.
Younger than the mountains.
Growing like a breeze.
Country roads.
Take me home to the place I belong.
That radical.
You're going to jet ski or something?
Everybody salute.
Here it comes.
All right.
You saluted with the wrong hand, though.
Did I?
The mic's in the way.
Did I do the right way?
I think it's the right hand, right?
Just to be safe.
It's my turn.
17 injured after planned detonation of seized illegal fireworks ends in explosion.
This was in LA.
I saw this video and I couldn't figure out what was happening.
And the LAPD was like, we have no idea what just happened.
This seems weird.
I guess they have like a bomb closet.
Yeah, they like they put them all in this giant vault and then they blow them up.
But they miscalculated how explosive like 5,000 pounds of fireworks would be.
Which is like relatively explosive at that point, right?
I think it was relative to like cheese.
You could probably, yeah, like compared to less than 5,000 pounds of illegal fireworks.
Probably pretty explosive.
I guess, yeah, 17 people injured and like three or so.
I can't remember how many city blocks of like broken windows and stuff.
It was pretty crazy.
Dude, when I was a kid.
I was a little bit mushroom clown.
My entire extended family lived on the south side, and my brothers and I would go hang out with them.
And you don't even want to know what kinds of things we did with fireworks out there.
I do, actually.
It's pretty crazy.
I'll tell you after the show.
Is that bad?
There was some like old abandoned train tracks.
Let me tell you, fireworks are a great way to have some harmless fun as a kid.
We will go ahead and tell us.
And we will bleep.
No, dude, Facebook's going to give you a warning about having a radical friend.
We'll bleep the entire thing.
I'm just kidding.
We didn't do anything bad.
We were good kids.
I loved it.
But we did do some bad things.
I have repented later.
I don't know where they're at.
I'm just kidding.
They did too.
But my point is.
My point is, fireworks literally exist for kids to do stupid things.
That's like 90% of the purpose.
Do things you're not allowed to do without parental supervision.
There's the ones that shoot up into the sky and detonate and look pretty on the 4th of July or on New Year's.
But for the most part, fireworks exist for like degenerate kids to do degenerate things.
And I was a degenerate kid who did some degenerate things, and I'm not proud of it.
And there's part of me that wonders like if they're really a good thing for us to promote or have as a society.
But then there's this other part of me that's like, we can't shelter kids from these decisions.
Yeah.
You want to hear a crazy story my dad told me about fireworks when he was a kid?
Well, first of all, he knew a kid who lost his eye.
So that's pretty bad.
Fairly bad.
One of his buddies' dads.
So my dad was born in the 50s, raised through the 50s and 60s.
And his buddies, their dads, a lot of them fought and served in the Second World War, as did my dad.
And some had like grandparents who fought in prior wars.
And so one of them, he found like a Nazi helmet that his dad had brought home from the war.
And they were just putting fireworks in it and launching it up into the sky because they'd explode and set it up.
And then they just put way too much in it.
And it exploded and destroyed the helmet.
They were terrified.
Yeah.
Sad.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They could have said that.
Yeah.
Later, they could have said it was a political statement.
Like, we're not dumb kids.
They're like, we fought the Nazis.
No one should have a relic of the Nazis.
I was thinking it would shoot way up in the air and it like land in someone's living room.
That'd be crazy.
A Nazi helmet just shows up.
I just, I don't think I've ever heard a fireworks related story that ended well.
And I don't think I have a single memory with fireworks that was wholesome.
Like, because on the 4th of July, we were at our buddy's house and like, there's just fireworks going off everywhere.
Just crazy.
I'm amazed at the amount of death and destruction that doesn't happen when you think about that going on all over the country.
Yeah.
Fire in the sky and on the streets all night long.
It's freaking glorious.
I guess there's the more I'm thinking about this, the more I'm like, why do we have these?
Like, I understand the ones that shoot into the sky and make pretty colors, but like the ones that just are there to explode, you know?
Like the M80s.
It's like, why do they have those?
Yeah.
I guess, should I read in the last one?
Oh, yeah, this is all you, Kyle.
Minnesota Teen reclaims.
Minnesota Teen reclaims record for largest mouth gape.
What?
What does that mean?
So he is able to open his mouth really big.
And I don't feel like when he won the award, was he like What did he look like?
That's him.
Oh, my gosh.
What?
Dude, have you ever seen that?
You guys like seeing Will Sasso?
What?
Will Sasso, the guy who like fills his mouth with lemons and spits them out?
Hold on.
Oh my gosh, look at him putting a Pringle's can in his mouth.
That's horrible.
So what is his jaw just unhinged like a python?
I don't know.
He's excited that he's grown and his body's changing, but his mouth apparently stayed the correct proportions.
Wait, what?
For him to stay, you know, just keep the record.
I feel like if I was a teenager, I wouldn't let people know about this talent.
I don't feel like this would be good for your social life.
All right, let's do some real things that blue checks say.
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Oh, boy, this is always fun.
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Yeah, in fact, I could smell it in the room.
It smells like a non-subscriber in here.
Or is that cow farts?
Could be cow farts.
I can't tell.
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Real things that blue checks say.
You know what I realized the other day?
Some PhD posted something about how Stalin wasn't the devil, but he also wasn't great.
And we should look at him in a nuanced way.
And I realized that a PhD is the real life equivalent of a blue check mark.
Like everyone, like so many people who have it are just saying stupid nonsense.
Yeah.
Well, I think a large part of like getting a doctorate and doing that is believing something really stupid.
Well, it is being arguing for it very well.
Well, arguing for it, they do that.
They just deconstruct things just to deconstruct them.
When they like defend their dissertation, it's like I have to come up with this really unique way of looking at something and then defend it.
And I think training yourself to think like that is probably not great in a lot of fields.
To be like, I'm going to ignore all the wisdom and I'm going to come up with the unique way to think about something.
The fact that Stalin is just kind of a nuanced person.
He's like an interesting guy.
You know, Joseph Stalin?
Well, this is the thing, too.
We were with PhDs.
I remember as a kid, my mom was always like, if they're not a medical doctor, you do not call them doctor.
And in part, that's because she's a nurse who worked around doctors and respected them a lot.
But then again, now that I'm getting older, it's like, I don't think anyone died from medical malpractice because like a professor of literature read Jane Austen to them wrong.
So maybe we should be more frightened of medical doctors than we are other PhDs.
I kid.
I kid.
I have a lot of respect for doctors.
All right.
Here's the first real thing that a blue check said.
The NPR has come out against the hypocrisies of the Declaration of Independence.
Thank goodness.
I was waiting for somebody to do it.
I was waiting for NPR to say something bad about America.
I was waiting for NPR to say something that sounded left-wing, and I'm glad they finally took a stand and did it.
Yeah, because they have to have a little balance.
You can't just speak pro-America all the time.
NPR can't always be promoting our values as middle Americans.
I like how people feel the need to just be a jack of July 4th.
Yes.
Oh, it's a huge thing.
Like, I'm edgy.
I don't like America.
Yeah.
So they wrote, in this thread of the Declaration of Independence, you can see a document with flaws and deeply ingrained hypocrisies.
Wow.
You think something humans made has some flaws with it?
Congratulations, NPR.
Guess what?
It's the longest standing constitution in the world.
And what are you comparing it to?
Like, it's flawed compared to what?
Please give me something better.
I'm not saying the Declaration is perfect.
I'm not saying the founders are perfect.
And there is even unfortunately a trend amongst like some really hardcore traditionalist Catholics to just like rag on America, not just based on what it's doing today, but from its very founding.
And I agree there are some flaws.
But when you read what Bishop Fulton Sheen had to say about America and its founding, it's beautiful.
And it's clear that this country has a lot about it that does work and we should want to protect those parts of it rather than join the rest of the culture and try to be edgy by going, America's actually not conservative enough for me even in its founding.
Which is like, yeah, but man, what are you comparing it to?
Like, what else do we have?
And so same with NPR.
I'm sure they're saying they allowed slaves.
Oh, yeah, Canada's nice and conservative.
I'm sure NPR, it was the same banal criticism.
It was probably the same banal criticism.
They said freedom for everyone.
Oh, for a property-owning white man.
I was like, whoa, I never thought about that before.
No one's ever said that.
Like, I'm just like assuming what their arguments are.
And I haven't even read the article.
This is lame of me.
I'm sorry.
We should probably actually look at it.
So the world was like bad 250 years ago?
They had flaws?
Wow.
Interesting.
Here's the thing.
The founders had just fought a revolution and they were trying to unify the colonies under one set system of government.
Do you genuinely think they could have united the colonies if they said slavery's over?
Like the colonies weren't on board.
That's what people don't realize.
The Bill of Rights, if you read the Bill of Rights, it becomes very clear that slavery is incompatible with it.
Any honest reading tells you that.
But the founders were never going to get that ratified if they told all of the colonies, also, you're never going to be able to have slaves in the future.
So, again, obviously, slavery is horrible, but every other country in the world had slaves at that time.
So, it was not a unique evil of America.
And every other country, basically, every other developed nation was using slavery in some way.
So, this idea that it was like this uniquely American thing that's baked into our constitution when it's clearly something that was only happening because it was a political reality at the time is stupid.
It's dumb.
It's silly.
And guess what?
Guess what?
We ended slavery, and we're the only developed nation that fought a war to do so where 600, 800,000 people died.
So, I don't know.
I'm over it.
Take that, NPR, without me having read your article.
Hope that means a lot to you, author.
Can we, what were they saying?
I'm curious.
I'm curious about it.
No, there's not a link to it here.
See, it's a good question.
There's a bunch of tweets.
Even better.
So it's going to have even more intellectual substance.
Let's find NPR's tweets about America.
It is such a weird thing that on the 4th of July, you have to have to be super edgy.
Did they just post the declaration or they put comments on it?
No, that's their comments.
It says that all men are created equal, but you got to be kidding me.
Did they say that?
Women, enslaved people, Indigenous people, and many others were not considered equal.
Wow.
The documentation.
You know what?
I take back my apology for trying to predict what it would say because I was clearly right.
The document also includes a racist slur against Indigenous Americans.
What does it say?
I don't know.
That's all it says.
Do you care to elaborate on that at all?
Okay.
They wouldn't.
Do you guys want to Google this?
Okay, so what they were doing.
Do you have the link?
Can you post the link in the notes?
Okay, so as an NPR tradition, they read the Declaration of Independence every July 4th.
But this year, what they decided to do was to put this preface, just so you guys are aware, this document is flawed.
It's almost like a trigger warning.
So they're providing a trigger warning before they do the entire Declaration of Independence.
It says that all men are created equal, but they're not.
They weren't considered that at the time.
And the document includes a racist slur against Indigenous Americans and said the document is deeply flawed, deeply ingrained hypocrisies.
And then they go ahead and tweet out the.
Yeah, so the article went on to address how Native Americans are treated without the document, including that they're referred to as merciless Indian savages.
That is pretty bad.
That is a pretty bad way to refer to them.
That said, I think that people can understand the cultural context and know that just because that's what it says at the time, that that's not what America or Americans believe or would say about them.
Man, I'm part Cherokee, so.
Are you really?
He's pretty merciless.
So you're more than you're more Cherokee than Liz Warren.
Yeah, oh, yeah, way more.
You've got her beef.
I've shown you guys I have a card.
I carry a card.
You're a card-carrying Cherokee?
I am.
Wow.
Good for you.
It's because my parents are like free, like they like freeloading off the government and stuff.
So my dad was like, you can get all this free stuff if you get this card.
Are you serious?
Yeah.
So he got me the card.
The only time I ever used it was for health care.
10% off at Denny's?
I got like free health care, but it was in a small town.
I moved to the big city.
It was horrible.
Going to the government-run healthcare facility for Native Americans.
I think I've told this story.
Not good.
It was wild.
I was the only white guy there.
That's not what's bad about it, but it was like, you literally pulled a Liz Warren.
I can't.
No, it was like, it's going to be the next controversy.
Like, I'd call up and they'd be like, oh, yeah, you can come in in like two months.
I'm sick right now.
And when I got there, it was like just crammed and just like, it was, it was bad.
That is pretty bad.
Okay.
Okay, not good.
Sad.
No, this is fun this week.
NPR, great outlet.
I'm just, no, that's all.
I just, I wanted to wrap our rags.
Let's do another story.
Let's do another great outlet.
This writer from Salon, Sophia McClellan, went after us for playing victims over satire and seeming to have some double standards about free speech.
Which, to be fair, you guys do that all the time.
Right.
You're generally playing the victim almost every time I talk to you.
Yeah.
He just deserves crocodile tears.
Oh, we were called to hate speech.
It's like, bro, maybe don't slur Native Americans next time by reading the Declaration of Independence.
I can say what I want.
I'm Native American.
So Sophia McLennan is a writer for Salon.
She tweeted out, why didn't the Babylon Bee defend Alec Baldwin when they learned Trump wanted the Department of Justice to go after him?
It's because conservatives just play the victim over satire.
It's only free speech when they're making jokes.
When they're making jokes.
They're.
Yeah.
So the guy on that, they owned you, dude, because if you don't cover every story all the time, then the most bizarre part about this, so apparently in late June, a story came out that I had never seen that anonymous sources at the White House from the Trump White House have claimed that he asked the Department of Justice to go after Alec Baldwin for his imitation of Trump.
So this was like a real thing.
I have heard some stuff Trump makes you a little freaked out about.
Yeah, for sure.
He's definitely that kind of personality.
He doesn't understand.
He's going to say something bad about meetings like, can't we just shut down the New York Times?
And they're like, no, there's this document.
Libel laws?
Can we beef up those libel laws?
But to be fair, like if I was president, I'd be asking the same question.
It's a public.
Like, how many genocides can you go on the defensive for as a publication and still be allowed to function in this country?
Do we have any room in Gitmo for the journalists?
I mean, yeah, you wouldn't blame him.
But so then her argument was based in this piece was kind of hilarious.
She was kind of like, The Babylon Bee says that social media is trying to censor them and media is trying to censor them.
And yet, they're hypocrites because Trump wanted to go after Alec Baldwin.
Yeah.
Or something.
We didn't make him like a statement or something.
Here's the thing: every time I hear a news story, I'm waiting for Babylon B's official statement.
What is our class?
How did they know?
Yeah.
That's the hilarious thing about satire sites: you don't really take a position on something.
Yeah, you just make fun of it.
You mock things.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
So, anyway, and then Seth Dillon, our illustrious CEO, may he live forever, he replied to her and said that we were just making fun of Trump at the time, just like Alec Baldwin was.
So then she replies and says, Well, share with me some of your favorite examples as though, gotcha, you guys actually don't make fun of Trump.
There's not a single Trump joke made at the Babylon B offices even once.
So then Seth absolutely devastates her with a large thread of articles that went after Trump brutally.
That's how I felt when I implied the Declaration didn't have any slurs towards natives and then read that article.
It's just every once in a while, you just get owned.
You overstep.
Sometimes.
So here's the ones he tweeted out.
Trump, I have done more for Christianity than Jesus.
Trump criticizes Jesus for rejecting tremendous deal with Satan.
Trump locks himself in Oval Office, swallows key.
Trump proves he's not a racist by showing his rejection letter from the KKK.
Trump claimed, this is one of our very early ones.
Trump claims to know nothing about the KKK hat he was wearing during CNN interview.
That's not like, that's not mild.
You know what I mean?
These are not mild jokes.
They're like, oh, he's our guy, but he's silly.
People will say, oh, they only go lightly after Trump.
And you're like, oh, like, we kind of compared him to Satan.
We called him like a megalomaniac.
Yeah, and that he wore a KKK hat.
So I think you guys were going on the defensive for him.
I think you guys are actually Klansmen, and so you're trying to paint him in a flattering light.
They're all dog whistles, I guess.
So then she tried to reply and she was like, thanks for sharing.
But making fun of Trump doesn't mean that you're not hypocrites.
Also, curious if Trump ever got annoyed by one of your pieces.
Did you ever get backlash from him?
I love the moving of the goalpost there.
I know.
Like, if Trump didn't get mad at you, then you didn't make fun of him.
Yeah.
Like he like he has time to get mad at every person who's made fun of him over the past couple of years.
Fantastic.
Fantastic.
He never tried to say that.
Can we get to be pulled off of the internet?
He's actually the one who got Zuckerberg to start fact-checking you.
That's the real controversy.
All right, we got some more stuff here.
The woke attacking Tolkien.
Oh boy, yeah.
I love this one.
So this has been going around.
It all started with the Tolkien Society, and they announced that their big conference this year online was going to be about all these deconstructionist readings of Tolkien, you know, LGBTQ readings and CRT readings.
It's just, it's not that they're wrong and it's evil.
It's just so boring.
It's so boring.
Like, do you think they're wrong and evil, but also that it's just such a boring way to analyze literature?
I think maybe the first million times that they looked at it that were like, let's deconstruct this based on our unquestioned assumptions about race and gender.
And it's like, dude.
That's how they sound.
Say, just like just one other mode of analysis once.
Can we try it, please?
Just one at some point.
Oh, my goodness.
And then Guardian tweeted out.
Do you think, hey, here's a question though?
I'm curious.
I'm actually curious about this.
When they analyze this, do you think they're going to say that traditional gender roles are bad?
I'm just curious.
No, through this analysis.
We have to wait and see what they actually say.
It's unclear what the nose on this where they're going to conclude.
So then Guardian tweeted out an article.
Future Lord of the Rings films should acknowledge the book's queer leanings.
Okay, that was unexpected.
But here's the thing: they say things like this because the thief thinks everyone steals.
And people who are sexually corrupt and all like constantly trying to promote sexually corrupt lifestyle choices are going to read it into everything they see all the time.
Yeah, they must see two male characters together there.
I mean, like, okay.
You know why?
Because they have literally never had a friend.
They have never.
It's true.
There's this, there's the depressing thing.
Chesterton commented on this, I believe, or maybe it was C.S. Lewis.
Lewis had a good quote.
I think it was C.S. Lewis who said that they betrayed the fact that they've never had a real friend before.
He says, those who cannot conceive of friendship as a substantive substantive love, but only as a disguise or elaboration of Eros betray the fact that they have never had a friend.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bingo.
Wow.
Yeah, it's the really sad thing about trying to read like Frodo and Sam is gay.
It's like you were missing out on a huge aspect of like men relating to men.
Yes, exactly.
Well, and there's this fascinating thing in anthropology where they know that human men are better at cooperating than the males of basically any other species, including species that are closely related to us.
So primates like chimpanzees won't even form social bonds as close with other males that they're related to.
Whereas men can form these very close social bonds to men who are complete strangers if they're working on a common project.
And it's an incredible and beautiful thing.
And to try to twist that into something sexually perverted is pretty typical of the left and unbelievably destructive.
Right.
Sexualization of everything.
It's like who needs that much tension in every relationship?
Yeah.
I don't know why they want to make it like that.
It's a weird thing.
And then also they want to.
There's this thing that they'll do.
They'll push for this idea of male and female friendships always like needing to be platonic and you shouldn't ship characters.
If there's a male and female lead, it's stupid to just force them together at the end of the film.
And that can be true.
There are a lot of films where the male and female lead have no chemistry, but they just have to get together at the end for stupid friends.
Yeah.
And I think that's lazy.
But at the same time, it's also unbelievably lazy to say, like, oh, these two male characters must be gay together.
Speaking of beloved franchises being ruined by critical readings, a new alien series will be extremely political, apparently.
Wow.
Well, actually, here's the thing, Kyle.
You simpleton.
Everything's political.
Silences violence, you might say.
When they aren't making things political, what they're actually doing is sending the political message that we need to uphold the status quo.
So, really, the first alien film was political by not talking about this.
No alien is illegal.
I don't know what they say.
So, Noah Hawley has said his alien series.
That's literally what the film is going to be.
I think it's going to be that straightforward.
It's just going to be a bad pun.
Building a giant wall.
Noah Haley has said his alien series is not a Ripley story.
We'll instead explore what happens when the inequality we're struggling with now isn't resolved.
Aliens will kill us.
Because when I think Alien, I don't want to see a Ripley story.
I want to see a film that pontificates about inequality.
It's really important to me.
I think they're just trying to kill the film industry at this point.
And I'm here for it.
Please do.
I'm all for it.
Yeah, the thing to me is that people were responding to this and saying, well, Alien is political.
It's about this mega corporation that.
Yes.
And it's like, yes, there is a subtext and a setting that is very interesting.
And you can read it and go, yeah, there are these abuses of corporations.
But it was a good freaking story with an alien that rips your face off.
Well, yeah.
When they announced Alien back in 1978 or whatever, they didn't say like, you guys want to film about inequality?
Well, isn't this a way of saying, like, if you support fighting inequality, then you have to go see this film.
If you don't go see it, then you don't support it.
To me, it means that it's a given thing.
They know they have a weak movie.
It's a marketing gap.
And then they go, hey, but it's got inequality.
I agree with you completely.
Like, there's a political subtext to the original film, too, but it's not done for the purpose of saying corporation bad.
It's a backdrop that makes the story interesting.
And it's a prime example of the storyteller's worldview coming through in the art, but without the art necessarily being explicitly political.
The point isn't, how can we go after the 1% or how can we make corporations look bad?
It's like, let's just tell an interesting story.
What they're doing here is exactly what really lame Christian movies do.
Exactly.
This movie will affirm your beliefs.
Come see it.
Bring seven friends.
They'll be led to Christ.
And so people talk about how we shouldn't respond to this kind of thing with outrage because it incentivizes them.
But here's the thing.
We want to encourage Hollywood to make as many films like this as possible because they're going to destroy themselves over time.
They're not going to be able to turn a profit off of this garbage.
And every single time, and they'll be fine not turning a profit, that it'll be a badge of honor because they'll just say, it's because we were too out of our time and people were bigoted.
I cannot wait.
I can't wait for all of the B movies from our time to just be remembered as these really weird leftist political films.
Why was that?
Those were the dark times.
Kind of like when you watch those cheesy films from the 1950s that have like really obvious anti-communist messages, which like first of all based, but when they have these really obvious anti-communist messages, it's going to be the same.
People are going to look back at this stuff and be like, oh, yeah, everyone in Hollywood had this weird obsession with these social issues and an even weirder obsession with taking the wrong side on all of them.
You have to explain to everybody the context that Trump was president.
Like, why do all the villains have orange hair?
Yeah, exactly.
Well, there was this.
And the one thing that can at least be said about the 1950s is a lot of the anti-Soviet, anti-communist films were sort of a necessary response to the fact that we were fighting one of the most serious global threats humanity had ever seen.
And a lot of people in Hollywood actually were communists and needed to be brought out of the industry through social pressure.
Yeah.
Okay.
We've got to fly through the rest of these.
Our children are under attack because, oh, man, this is, they keep doing this on Twitter.
This is a meme.
They keep pushing this, like gender representation and LGBTQ representation in cartoons.
And it's so weird because on the one hand, they're like, oh, there's no gay agenda.
We're not trying to convert your kids.
The other side, they just brag about it.
Like, look at all these gay characters we managed to get into.
And they go, it's historic.
This is the first time.
This is the first time it's ever happened.
It's like the 50th time they put a gay character in a kids' thing.
So now that this insider story that was promoted on Twitter, kids' cartoons, lack of gender diversity parallels underrepresentation behind the scenes.
So they're trying to tell you that cartoons are typically written by all white straight men.
But queer women, trans, and non-binary creatives are pushing for representation in an industry that at times isn't welcoming.
Do you really think the animation industry in Hollywood isn't welcoming?
Okay.
Do you really welcoming to me?
Yeah.
We have a lot of inside information that it is quite welcoming.
So I have nothing more to say on that except show your kids old cartoons.
Show them Looney Tunes and don't bother with this new crap.
Yeah, or Freedom Tunes.
No, I'm kidding.
Freedom Tunes is not for kids.
But we're going to start producing some kids' stuff.
Not at Freedom Tunes, but as a business, I want to start doing some of the things that I'm going to do towards kids because there's not enough of it.
And like, look, this is what's so crazy.
It would almost be political at this point to just make something normal that isn't trying to persuade kids one way or another.
Do a Roadrunner cartoon.
Yeah, because everything is trying to convince them to believe something.
That's not necessarily bad.
People will say these things like, how could you try to convince kids of this or how could you go after kids and target them with this kind of information?
It's like, well, that's only bad if the information you're targeting them with is bad.
Like if you're trying to teach kids that Earth is flat, yeah, pretty insidious.
But if you're teaching kids about the planets and the universe, a flat earther could say, like, you're getting them when they're young and they don't know any better.
They can't critically evaluate the claims about the world being a globe.
All the same arguments make for everything else.
I mean, in reality, this is going to blow people's minds.
Societies pass their values on to the children of that society.
That's pretty standard.
Now, what's strange about what's happening now is complete strangers are passing their values on to everybody else's children.
This is the first time.
Most of them don't have kids.
Most of them don't have kids.
In fact, they don't like kids, a lot of them.
Yeah.
When was there?
They really hate parents.
When you look at mass media, oh, yeah, they very much hate parents.
And when you look at mass media, it becomes clear that this is the only time in history there has ever been an example like this of complete strangers, from thousands of miles away, who believe nothing even remotely similar to what you believe, indoctrinating your kids into their worldview without you even realizing it, because you just sit your kid in front of the tv and don't think about what they're watching.
Well, you know.
You know who teaches kids about that, the earth is flat, LEGO.
Oh, does Lego teach kids earth this flat?
I didn't have you ever seen a somewhat convex Lego, are you saying?
Are you saying, because we can't see the curve, earth is flat.
Are you saying Lego, earth is flat because you can't see the curve?
That was just.
I was trying to transition to the next story, because the Daily Beast is on the scene where january 6th, january 6th, riot leader had a fully assembled Lego capital building.
Wow, here's a Lego globe.
Okay, I got a Lego, you just got.
You just got blown out, it's okay.
It's okay Ethan, we both got some things wrong.
Today we're both taking al Kyle, though Kyle's no, i'm batting.
I'm batting a thousand here.
That's a baseball uh term.
So yeah, it would be way better if you said that that was like a football term, that's a football thing, you got wrong.
So yeah, they searched this guy's house and found a Lego capital and that means that he that means he was plotting out his january 6th attack.
Did they think he was holding the little mini pig?
how accurate is the lego capital building they saw a lego guy they saw a lego guy with like little orders on it like in carrying a flag did they did they do that like ocean's 11 heist style thing where they snuck in different exits and entrances i thought they just all went in like the main first of all not seem extremely planned to me Exactly.
The Capitol riot was not nearly well planned enough for me to believe it was planned with Legos.
Now I want to see the planning meeting.
Like, okay, here's the plan, guys.
We're going to just be out there, like, shouting, and then maybe some of us will push our way in, and then we'll just take pictures.
I don't know.
Maybe I'll take the podium.
Like, maybe I should take the lectern.
I'll wear my Buffalo hat.
They have little Lego Joe Biden stuffing ballots and another Lego set across the room.
A little Lego AOC under a desk.
Yeah, that's a good point.
I hadn't thought about if it actually was like an accurate layout of the Capitol because I think it's just like the building.
It's not like the inside.
It doesn't like have the little offices and stuff.
You assume.
That'd be a lot.
A lot of detail.
One of the most frightening things was when our intelligence agencies found that Al-Qaeda had a Lego statue of the White House.
They put together a Lego building of the White House.
So this is like the exact same thing.
That's how the terrorists.
So there it is.
That's it.
So it's not like.
Okay.
It's not like it's like this accurate.
You can't fit many figs in there.
Yeah, that's like the Minecraft Capitol.
The Minecraft version.
Dude, we need to see how many Minecraft versions of the Capitol building there are.
We really want to get to the bottom of this terrorist insurrection.
Well, and I'm sure people have like 100% accurate renditions of the Capitol in Minecraft too.
Much more accurate than Lego.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
It's just the implication here that if you have a Lego set of a building in your house, that means that you may be planning to attack it.
Dude, it's just, it's really embarrassing for Antifo that they don't have Lego replicas of any of the buildings they've attacked.
Yeah, do they?
Did they have like, did anybody have like a Lego reconstruction of like downtown Minneapolis in their house?
We burned this little small business here.
Let me move up the corner.
Now we're going to burn down this Arby's.
That'll show the white supremacists burned down Arby's.
Beautiful.
All right.
We got one more terrible tweet.
Not a ton to say on this one, except a guy tragically died at a Georgia racetrack after a car crash.
Well, a member of the audience died.
Tragic.
New York Times or New York Post posted about it.
And then this guy, Tom Lycas, do we know who that is?
He's fully vaccinated.
He's fully vaccinated, which he puts in his name.
And he says, one less Trump supporter.
Probably two less.
Right.
Well, it just says he killed one person.
Oh, I thought there were.
Okay, so his race car, he didn't die in the race car.
The guy was a bad guy.
He's an audience member.
He got hit by the car.
He goes, one less Trump supporter.
Wow, so he's just kind of dancing on the guy's grave.
This just like random liberal.
Was it a blue check mark?
Of course.
But he wants, he wants, if it saves one life, he's all about the vaccine and saving people from COVID.
And then someone gets hit by a car.
He's like, ah, he's a Trump supporter.
Yeah.
Well, that is, my goodness.
Yeah, of course he's a blue check mark.
And why is he a blue check mark?
Is he a journalist or something?
I know that journalists are a radio guy.
And people say the media hates us.
How strange.
How strange.
He's a radio guy?
Was this the dude from NPR who issued the warning about the declaration?
Anti-Trumper radio guy has got to be a small station.
Dude, also, why did he, like, he saw somebody, how sick do you have to be to see someone die at, like, something completely unrelated to Trump?
Right.
Right.
And it wasn't like a guy who was doing something like really careless that kind of caused their own death and kind of had it coming.
This is a guy who's just sitting in the audience and this guy hits the racetrack.
Yeah.
I'm watching a race.
Yeah.
Like you may be happy, but are you as happy as someone in the media who saw a random person die?
And like, oh, one less Trump supporter.
How awesome.
Fully vaccinated.
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
And this is the thing.
So when conservatives talk about stuff like this, the left will go, you want to go after this guy?
I thought you were against cancel culture.
It's like, okay, what cancel culture means is when you go after somebody because they say it's stupid to believe that there's more than two genders or some other really uncontroversial claim that 99% of the population already agrees with.
But when someone says something genuinely heinous that everyone can agree is wrong, then yes, that person should be deplatformed.
And even if you call that cancel culture, like I don't care.
There's a difference too because they'll say this about everything.
Like I'm like, you know what?
I really don't like what Netflix is putting on their platform.
I'm going to cancel my Netflix subscription.
I thought you were against cancel culture.
But you're okay canceling your Netflix subscription.
But you're okay not giving $10 a month to this giant corporation.
I'm canceling my farm box.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Usually, to me, the cancel culture thing is like someone who has some political opinions that are generally pretty tame.
And they work at a company that's completely unrelated to that.
Like they work at Walmart or something, and everybody goes, let's call Walmart because you said this.
Yeah, exactly.
If you're a political commentator and you come out with a ridiculous thing like, I'm glad this guy died, you should be canceled.
Yeah, absolutely.
That's a different thing.
Euphemism for destroy.
I'm going to destroy your life.
And this is the thing.
Cancel culture generally carries this implication that you're using these massive corporate entities to punish the little guy and generally for something that isn't really uncontroversial outside of a small handful of left-wing echo chambers online.
And so to say that it's cancel culture, to say that someone who has advocated for real, very serious left-wing political violence or somebody who has said that children should be able to transition their gender is something else ridiculous that everyone understands is morally disgusting.
It's silly.
It's a false equivalency.
Of course we should cancel this all.
I wonder what happened to him.
Yeah.
What I find fascinating is like, you know, you remember there was that horrible situation, I think it was in South Carolina, could be wrong, where the white supremacist guy plowed his car into the protesters and the girls.
Charlottesville.
Charlottesville.
And I'm sure there was some Jack online that was like, oh, one lesson.
There were.
Well, I saw it.
I saw it, unfortunately.
But were they like the radio hosts of conservatives?
Yeah, exactly.
It was like this.
Does Van Shapiro say that?
Like the blue checkmark, like, you know, thought leader types of this movement are the ones saying something that disgusting.
It was random right-wing idiots who were like, oh, this woman is a lefty and she wasn't productive and all sorts of other horrible things that you shouldn't say about somebody just because they're, you know, because they died and they were implicating or implying that it didn't actually matter.
Now, this guy, to be fair, he's got like 20,000 followers, which isn't a huge platform, but there's something different about trying to remove somebody's platform when they're on the radio and have a large audience and just trying to get a random person to.
Target employee.
Yeah, too.
But he's vaccinated.
Congratulate him.
Congratulations.
Is this what the vaccine does to you?
Because he's not representing it well.
Dude, people who have been vaccinated and advertise it better be on their best behavior.
Because I'm going to assume everything they do wrong is because the vaccine started attacking their neurons.
Also, it's one fewer Trump supporters.
Yeah.
So his grammar isn't even good.
Not only is he a hateful person who sees somebody die and immediately assumes that they were a Trump supporter and is then happy about it, he also has bad grammar.
Let's do the blue check mark.
Sad.
Let's do a discussion between evangelicals and Catholics now.
How about that?
Throw it out.
It was, hold on.
You're moving the goalpost.
It was Catholics and Calvinists.
Catholics and Calvinists.
This says evangelicals.
I'm making it because I'm going to moderate, kind of.
Yeah, but like, you're not Catholic or Calvinist, but you could be an evangelical, which is why it becomes two-on-one.
And then it would be a fair fight.
And I don't want that.
We got two Catholics here.
We got two Calvinists here.
But I don't even know what is the substantive difference between Calvinism and evangelicalism that would put us in conflict with that's what I'm saying.
I mean, just like sort of Protestantism generally.
Yeah.
Probably the Eucharist, the papacy, faith alone, etc.
I don't know.
Let's just pretend it's interesting.
Well, let's just pretend this is an interesting discussion.
And by the way, before we dive into this, I want everyone in the audience to know that my faith means a lot to me.
I think I know a bit more about it than the average Catholic, but I'm not a formal apologist.
I don't have any kind of degree in theology.
And so what I'm not going to do is try to answer questions that I don't think I have a sufficient answer for.
I'll just say I have to read into that.
You can tag in Patrick if you need to.
Yeah.
I don't know about Patrick.
But I think that I just want to be clear.
So if I don't have an answer to every question, I'm going to be clear about that because I don't want to go out on a limb and try to answer something incorrectly just because souls are at stake with this one.
Whereas with other political issues, even though I am generally cautious, I'm a bit more comfortable formulating an opinion on the spot.
So everything you've said commenting on politics up to this point, you had no idea.
You have no idea what I was saying.
No, I knew what I was talking about, but the point is with politics, I am more comfortable saying, like, I'm going to formulate this opinion.
Then if I get it wrong, I'll just immediately have to be like, well, let me walk that back a little bit or something along the line.
I just double down.
You want to lifeline to Bishop Baron?
We have his contact info.
Let me call, I will call my spiritual director and just have him on the phone with us the whole time.
Okay.
All right.
So how are we the same and how are we different?
Okay.
Where are you guys?
In terms of theology and church practice, where do they really break down?
Let me say that like four or five years ago, I would have probably dove across the table and throttled this man.
That's not in a romantic way.
But not for religious reasons, just because he hated his.
Can you throttle in a romantic way?
Can you like.
It sounds like I don't know if you're going to be a good moderator for this religious discussion.
I'm going to be honest.
I said throttle.
You're going to like kill me.
Okay, so you would be violent towards him.
I think it may be a lot of because of where the culture war has turned, how crazy the left has gone.
But it's like I feel a lot more comfortable.
Like, I don't think I would have hired a Catholic five years ago.
Wow.
Like, I think we're a Protestant.
I wouldn't hire a Catholic now.
Yeah, well, it depends on the Catholic.
Exactly.
But nowadays, it feels like, I feel like this is just the climate of the culture war.
It feels like we are a lot more united than we would have been.
Because I don't know, I don't know if you want to call it infighting, depending on what you think about how close we are in the faith, but it feels like that has taken more of a back seat.
And I don't know if that's good or bad, but that is how I'm feeling right now.
Yeah, that's an interesting point.
I wouldn't call it infighting, but what I would say is this.
It's certainly clear that the culture is very much against us, and we have more in common with each other than we do have with the culture.
So we're certainly fellow travelers on many issues, though, of course, there are really important issues that we disagree on.
I think there's something that Dave Rubin used to say when he was first rising to prominence.
He would interview people and go like, isn't it great that I, as a liberal, am sitting down with this conservative when we're having this reasonable conversation?
And it's true that it's good when people can have a civil discussion about things that they seriously disagree on.
But the fact that Dave Rubin, who would have been considered a liberal 10 years ago by anyone's standards, is basically on the same page of a lot of conservatives doesn't speak to the fact that we've been united so much as it speaks to the fact that everything around us has gotten so crazy that we seem more similar than we probably are in many respects.
And so it's good that we can have civil conversations and hash these things out.
It's not good that the culture is so misaligned with Christian values in general that it becomes difficult to tell Christians who have serious disagreements apart from basically anyone else in the culture or tell them apart from each other because they're so different from everyone else in the culture.
That's what I was saying, but not as smartly.
But yes.
I agree.
That's true.
We have to have so many stupid arguments that you can't have substantial arguments about.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, and when I was a kid, oh, sorry, you go.
I look at who I would want to control the country, and it's like, I would take a Catholic theocracy at this point.
You know what I mean?
I'm glad to hear it.
I would.
And I'm happy to hear it because Joe Biden is a very Catholic president.
And so what we have.
I remember when I was a kid, I have this optimism about where the world might be by the time I was an adult.
I didn't think it would be perfect, but I imagine we actually might have made some progress on the pro-life issue, for example.
There was a little bit of pessimism.
I thought maybe the culture is only going to get worse, but I never could have anticipated what would happen.
I always knew I wanted to be involved with politics when I grew up.
And I remember thinking, maybe we'll have made significant strides in the pro-life movement and there will be a more firm ethical grounding in our culture so I can convince people that it's wrong to kill babies.
And here I am often trying to explain the differences between boys and girls to people.
So everything has just eroded.
Exactly.
And so things have gotten so much worse in some ways.
But then in other ways, they've gotten a little bit better where people on both sides have realized where they have common ground in the areas where they legitimately do and where it's important to realize that.
And so when I say I try to be careful with this too, because when it comes to leftists, Marxists, communists, no, of course not.
But there are many Democrats who don't really agree with the left on social issues, but maybe they have some concerns about poverty or the working class that Republicans could genuinely relate to them on and have a discussion about because the woke far left doesn't care about any of those things anymore.
They just have this weird obsession with identity politics.
And most Democrats I know in real life are not like the Democrats that I see on Twitter.
Thank goodness for that.
But unfortunately, the kinds of Democrats you see on Twitter are the ones running corporate America or at least doing PR for them.
And when it comes to these large social media companies, actually just running them rather than doing PR for them.
But when it comes to theological differences, like we've established this thing in the culture war that we are kind of united on a lot of culture things.
And I feel the same way like conservatives and libertarians, like it used to be like, yeah, like I hate conservatives.
I'm 100% libertarian.
You know, these dumb conservatives.
And now it's like, I would take conservatives in office.
Well, it's a really weird thing, too, where in some ways the opposite has happened.
I've noticed a lot of conservatives becoming much more angry at these terribly years.
I'm like, the government is moving so far, like authoritarian, maybe not so far left, but so far authoritarian.
We would take any reduction of that at this point.
Yes.
And whether that's conservative motive or a libertarian motive.
But when it comes to theological differences, what I was trying to say is, I don't think that that means that I have backed down at all from my theological differences with Catholics.
But I think it's cool that I can be like, I completely disagree with you on the way somebody's saved.
And yet.
But then we have this common ground in other areas.
And part of what's complicated too, though, is it's actually hard for us to get to the bottom of any misconceptions we might have about each other's worldview with respect to salvation because we're so busy discussing these other issues.
Yeah, maybe it's more important.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I mean, ultimately, spiritual matters are the most important.
But the culture war is very spiritual.
I mean, what is the future of this nation going to be?
I mean, spirituality comes first and foremost, but I would like a country where we're able to practice Catholicism, where people are able to be Christian.
And people can call this hyperbolic, but we're very much moving in a direction where that doesn't seem as if it's going to be the case in the future if we continue on this trajectory.
I think there's very strong potential for some kind of backlash.
But it's funny.
So in the very early 90s, my father wrote an abstinence-only sex education guide for schools.
And the ACLU actually provided a lawyer for someone to sue the publishing company because they said it was teaching religion in schools, even though there was no mention of God, no religious messages at all.
It was just explaining to kids what contraceptive failure rates were, encouraging them to be abstinent.
And when my father would go on tour to promote this book and speak about it, he would encounter many evangelical Protestants who would agree with him.
And so even back then, Christians were generally unified by this culture war.
So this is what, 30 years ago now, but I remember my dad telling me he had like a lot of respect for the Southern Protestants because he'd be down there.
He just told me a story of, I believe, a talk he was giving about the book and the fact that they were being sued.
And some Protestant fella picked him up and just said something like, we're not going to let these judges tell us how we can educate our kids, something like that.
So yeah, there is a mutual respect there and a sort of mutual understanding.
Yeah.
At the same time, you're going to hell.
Yes, you know, you are.
I'm sorry to tell you.
No, you are.
That's why Protestants all live in the South.
They're getting practiced for the heat.
Let's boil it down here.
We got, you know, R.C. Sproll wrote that the material difference between evangelicals and Roman Catholics is faith alone or sola fide.
Is it fide or fide?
Fide.
And the informal cause was sola scriptura, scripture alone.
Basically, so what is our source of authority and how are we justified?
So do we agree with that?
The two main.
So he says the two main differences are faith alone and sola scriptura.
What is a source of authority?
I don't justify the source of it.
I think that that's probably more of a Protestant framing of it.
I think there are other significant things.
Yeah, exactly.
So we would say like the, you know, the Eucharist and the Blessed Virgin Mary and the hierarchy of the church and then the questions of salvation that those things stem from authority and from the from the dark so to yourself yeah I'm not as sure about that one I'm not as sure about that I'd have to give it more thought I'd also have to read more about what he was writing and exactly how he meant it yeah Dan Do I get to summon Dan?
Is this my I mean, but I think the source of authority thing is something that is a point of discussion, too, because I know that there's a difference in the way we see it's like scripture alone.
That's what we go to.
And obviously, you know, we're bringing, I think you would see that as a private interpretation that we're bringing to it, and you get all these different interpretations.
So the church has to interpret that.
So we arrive at different conclusions because of the way that you guys have to interpret it versus the way we interpret it.
100%.
But it gets even more basic because it's not just about the way scripture is interpreted, it's about what scripture is.
So we have books in the Bible that you don't.
So to me, that goes beyond simply interpretation and into what is the canon of scripture.
Right.
But yeah, but I think that does boil down to because the church has said these are in the Bible.
Yeah.
Well, but that's true of the Bible in its entirety.
Yeah.
No, you're wrong.
No, you're wrong.
Oh, there's another thing.
This is really important too, I suppose.
Because I believe, so a lot of what the church says about scripture, too, I mean, we believe in scripture and tradition, but a lot of what is said and a lot of what is done in the church is scriptural.
And I think a huge part of that would be the sacraments.
And that's something else we disagree on that I don't know can be boiled down to those two points.
But again, I want to read a little bit more on exactly what he means.
Okay.
What about gospels?
Do you guys have the same gospel?
How do faith and works relate?
Yeah, so I mean, in the Epistle of James, we have that it says like faith, or you are not just justified by faith alone.
But do you, I don't know if you have the epistle of James.
I believe that Jesus.
Okay, well, so how do you square that?
Yeah.
Yeah, I think the general interpretation is that we are justified, we are shown to be righteous based on our works.
Interesting.
Interesting.
Yeah.
And that James and Paul are writing to two different audiences.
James is addressing one thing, and Paul is laying out a formal theology of soteriology, where a theology of salvation, whereas James is writing a very practical Proverbs-like book.
So you believe he's talking about how you act in the world and not about your salvation?
Right.
Yeah.
The context of James, he's not laying out a formal path to salvation in the book of James.
Dan?
I don't know.
I'm looking at Dan.
Anyway, that's how we square it.
So obviously you don't have to respond to that.
That is how that is squared, I think, typically.
Is that where this all gets where there's like a debate?
Well, because here's this.
I mean, fundamentally, what we do agree on, because I think there's a lot of misinterpretation about the Catholic value.
People think that Catholics believe you earn heaven or something along those lines.
What we believe is that if you end up in hell, it's your own fault.
And if you end up in heaven, it's because God took mercy on you and gave you the graces to Calvinists.
No, it's not.
It's actually not.
No, it's that is that's something because Calvinists don't believe in free will, which means you believe that God willed that the person sinned, not in his permissive will, but in his active will, correct?
Or am I misunderstanding?
I mean, I would, I would even, you know, free will, what does free will mean?
You know, just the ability to choose for a person to have been able to do multiple things.
But we would say the will is in bondage to sin already.
So there's not, there isn't a real free will that you have until God has grace on you and enables you to choose.
Yeah, no, I mean, so, so we believe Calvinist view.
Yeah, yeah.
Our belief, because we don't believe that he's checking off.
We, as Catholics, we don't believe in total depravity.
Right, right.
So I think it'd be a fundamental difference.
Yeah, that's what we're doing.
But I think even like when you're the kitty and tulip.
Yeah, we believe that people are capable of making decisions.
We also believe that people, excuse me, are capable.
We believe that people are capable of reasoning as well about what the right and wrong thing to do are in any given situation, just based on nature as well.
So there's a strong essential natural.
Some Protestants would agree.
Yeah, yeah.
And so it's a little more complicated because some Protestants believe in a kind of natural law, some don't.
Do Calvinists believe Adam and Eve had free will?
I believe they do, actually.
I think I might know this one.
Untainted by sin, yes.
Yes, because they hadn't fallen.
Yeah.
So you have free will once God is.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah, I think I read that the other day that Calvinists may believe that Adam and Eve had free will.
Careful about that.
But even like when you said, like, you get to heaven based on grace, I think we have different definitions of even what grace is on some level.
Oh, yeah, that's right, because you believe grace is irresistible.
Right?
A person is not still, you don't believe a person is cooperating with God's grace.
It just overtakes them.
And I think ultimately, what I think it boils down to is we have the doctrine of the imputation of Christ's righteousness that says that the moment we believe we are 100% justified, we are declared to be righteous in Christ as though we had Christ's righteousness already.
So I am declared positionally righteous before God in a legal sense already.
I already have all of Christ's righteousness.
I believe in the Catholic view, that's not true.
Like, what?
You're not 100% justified having Christ's righteousness fully imputed to you.
I think you have to put in the same thing.
So if you believe in a state of grace, and then you build up that righteous credit or whatever afterwards.
Yeah, well, storing up treasure in heaven.
So we believe that God.
No, no, no, no.
So basically what we believe is that with respect to your first point about salvation, yeah, I mean, Paul says he's working out his salvation in fear and trembling, which only makes sense in a context where you can lose your salvation because if you're once saved, always saved, then there's no reason to have any fear or trembling.
And we believe that you are, once you're baptized, you're in a state of grace.
When you fall from a state of grace, you can be forgiven.
So this is justified through the scriptural passage where Christ tells the apostles, he whose sins you forgive will be forgiven, and he whose sins are retained will be retained.
So from the Catholic framework, the disciples are the first bishops, or I should say the apostles are the first bishops, and then they were able to ordain the priests after that and so on and so forth.
And there's an unbroken lineage.
And so this is why priests are able to absolve you of your sins because of the power Christ gave to the disciple or the apostles.
And so we believe you can fall from grace, enter a state of mortal sin, and then re-enter a state of grace later once you are absolved of that sin.
And then at that point, you're back in the fold and able to receive the Eucharist, et cetera.
And you will also go to heaven if you die in a state of grace.
Whereas if you die in a state of mortal sin, you'll go to hell.
So I think ultimately, I think through the sacraments, you are justifying yourself.
I think you would say God is justifying you through the sacraments.
And to us, justification and sanctification are two separate things.
So I'm not as familiar with the language there.
I don't know which, I can't confirm or deny if that would be the proper way to word it from a Catholic perspective.
Yeah, so 100% justified the moment we believe, and then sanctification is the life.
Is that working out the salvation?
So what we would say, because I know that so closely.
But that doesn't save you.
For example, unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no life within you.
And God also says, if you love me, keep my commandments.
So in order, it's clear that in order to love God or demonstrate your love for God, there are certain things that you have to do.
Well, I would say those stem out of the new life that Christ has given you at salvation versus something that is earning you that is justifying you.
To us, that's a separation.
Yeah, because, well, for us, again, we still, I don't like, we wouldn't use the language earn because no matter what, your salvation is a gift.
It's an inheritance that God is giving you.
You cannot earn it.
I mean, we certainly agree on that.
Sure.
What about church history?
Because I guess, well, yeah, when this church history relates to the second question.
So we know that, for example, the Catholics and the Orthodox split from each other about a thousand years ago.
And their faith tradition is very similar in many ways.
They have the sacraments.
They have similarities.
Better beards about justification.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, look at the difference between Mine is horrible.
Cooler baby baptisms?
They do the whole like 100.
Yeah, I mean, they, so the Orthodox and Catholics, yes, very similar.
And that was a thousand years ago.
So I guess my question to a Protestant would have to be: at what point, because you clearly believe, and I would say that you believe, let me know if you're right, that the Catholic Church changed the tradition or scripture or something, and that's why we look different from you guys.
But I guess the question is, when would that have to have occurred?
Because if as far as a thousand years ago, the Orthodox were already doing the things that we're doing.
I mean, how early on in Christianity was the view you're claiming was dominant dominant?
Yeah, I believe if you go back to the church fathers, you can find a lot of things that are very similar to things that Protestants teach in terms of justification.
Oh, I totally disagree.
I totally disagree.
Dan, phona friend.
Dan has read a lot more on this than I have.
But yeah, and this is how the reformers saw it.
They didn't see it as we were introducing this new thing.
They were saying we are reclaiming the Christian.
Oh, I understand.
But even the reformers, though, even the reformers don't believe all the same things that many modern Protestants believe.
I mean, and I have a lot of the same criticisms of the Protestant church today.
Okay.
And ultimately, we need to wrap up.
So the center of it for me as a Catholic is the Eucharist.
And we talked about this a little bit yesterday.
But that Christ said, eat my flesh and drink my blood in John 6, and the church fathers basically agreed with that when you read their writings, that this was a representation of Christ's sacrifice and that this is his flesh and blood under the appearance of bread and wine.
And it's such a beautiful thing to add to the faith.
And I'm curious, without rehashing too many of the points we went over yesterday, how exactly that works into your beliefs.
I know you mentioned you believe it's a metaphor.
The mainstream Protestant view is memorialism.
That this is every time you do this, think of me.
Every time you do this, you are remembering the death and the burial and the resurrection of Christ.
And the bread is the body and the wine is the blood.
But you don't believe it's literally the body and blood.
Right.
So the Catholic view is that it is literally his flesh and blood under the properties or with the properties of bread and wine.
And part of the reason that it's really hard for me, and again, I want to be as charitable as possible here, but it's really hard for me to interpret that passage as saying anything other than it's literally his flesh and blood is because in other instances where he uses metaphors, you don't have people going, well, how can this metaphor be literal?
And then you don't have him affirming the literalness of the metaphor.
So in this passage, they say, how can he give us his flesh and blood to drink?
And he says, my flesh is true food.
My blood is true drink.
The Greek word he uses affirms gnawing.
And the people leave over it.
And he doesn't say, no, it was a metaphor.
So people leave him because they are clearly taking him literally when they leave.
And when the apostle, there's one more, or if you'd like to respond to that, I do have a little bit more I want to add about the apostles' response.
Go ahead.
We just have to go any minute.
So the apostles, when he turns to the apostles, he doesn't say to them, like, oh, you guys got the metaphor.
He actually asks them, like, why haven't you gone?
Like, will you too not go?
And the apostles don't say, well, this actually makes perfect sense to us, or we can square this with it being a metaphor.
They say, well, no one else has the words of everlasting life, which to me is, this doesn't make sense to us.
We can't understand this, but there's no one else we can go to.
So we believe you when you say it.
I know the Eucharist is an important difference, but I really don't see that as the root cause.
And I think I would agree more with Sprawl that it is an issue of authority and salvation of faith alone versus what we would see as not faith alone, faith clause.
So I know.
So ultimately, I would just boil it down to saying, I do think we have different gospels.
However, I don't think that means that all Catholics are going to hell or something.
And I always feel weird when I say to a Catholic Church.
No, sure.
I'm being real nice to you.
Yeah, you might not be going to hell.
But what's complicated with the Eucharist is as Catholics, that is very much.
It's interesting even to have this conversation with you that you make that the main distinction.
Yeah, well, I go fine.
Believe it's the body.
I don't care.
Some minute conclusions.
Anyway.
But yeah, so what we also believe as Catholics with respect to salvation, so there's the principle extra ecclesia solace.
We believe that there's no salvation outside the Catholic Church, but God can work outside the sacraments, which means that it is possible for somebody who's not Catholic to be saved, but don't bank on it.
We always part of why we always want to convert people because people lose the evangelical spirit once they believe us.
Fine, everyone I know is going to have it, and you're going to work it out.
So that's why I always encourage people to do that.
I have the exact same thing, but the opposite.
With, yeah.
All right.
So, yeah.
So we can still be friends?
Yeah.
Still be friends.
I don't care if you want to call yourself Christian for the friends.
You belong to the common faith.
Kind of.
What was the question?
Oh, wait, hold on.
What are you slipping about the common faith?
We all belong to a common faith.
I don't think it's a question.
Do we unite and say that we belong to a common faith?
I would say different gospels.
I shouldn't answer that because we have no time.
Yeah.
Address more.
There will be a part two.
Address more next time.
All right.
Well, that was fun.
So Protestants win.
All right.
No, what?
No, Catholics won.
Can we get a vote from Dan and Patrick?
Yeah.
I don't know if you planned.
Okay.
Dan refused.
Dan abstains, so you win.
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We got hate mail.
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I love hate mail.
Let's check it out.
I really miss Adam Ford.
So this is: we wrote a joke about Mike Lindell introducing the My Straitjacket instead of the My Pillow because he's crazy.
And we got an email, hate mail from a guy named Mark, and he says, The Mike Lindell joke was in very bad taste and supports the demon crat narrative.
The election was indeed stolen, and the future of our nation is at stake.
If the Democrats have their way, you will be out of business.
Well, that part's true.
That part's definitely true.
So, at the time when I wrote this, it seemed like when you wrote this email, the message was important enough that I had to emphasize it with an exclamation point.
But I'm sorry.
Sorry for making fun of Mike Lindell, Mark.
Yeah.
We love him, and he was a hilarious interview when we ended up.
We don't support the demon rants.
We don't support the demon craps.
The demon crap.
You should have gone all the way with the rat, the demon rat.
I like when they do the two puns in one word.
Fit as many as they can.
But he went demon crat.
Demon crat.
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I feel like the coffee kicked in like halfway through this interview, and I got more excited.
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I do the Babylon B animation.
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You guys haven't seen Axe Cop.
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Can't choose your successes.
So I had that was just one of a bunch of stuff I was making.
It was the last thing I thought was going to be successful.
That's how funny.
Man, it was the, you know, you just don't get to pick what's going to, so just make stuff.
Yeah, well, and it's a weird thing, too, where we see that on a smaller scale, too, just within the same project.
There are some Freedom Tunes videos that I've made and I was sure they were going to be a hit.
Yeah.
And then they weren't.
And then there's other videos I made that I didn't think were all that great, but the audience liked it.
Right, yeah, you can never.
Yeah, I like the way the algorithm did.
Yeah.
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