On The Babylon Bee Interview Show, Kyle and Ethan talk to Pastor Gabriel Hughes. They talk about satire, Game of Thrones, and growing up around the Christian music scene. Pastor Gabriel Hughes is a Baptist Pastor and host of When We Understand The Text, an ongoing video series and daily podcast of bible commentary and teaching. He has become known on Twitter for preaching the gospel unapologetically. He currently is a pastor at the First Baptist Church in Lindale, Texas. Go to wethepeopleholsters.com/bee and enter the code BEE10 to save $10 Topics Discussed Pastor Gabe originally followed Kyle Are you stupid? Jesus as a refugee Doug Tanapel Interview DC talk of Satire Sin or not sin? Vaping like a total cheesebag Throwing up the sign of the horns while listening to heavy metal Jazzercise Reading one of Doug Wilson's books Tattoo of John Piper's face Sprinkling a baby with water for some reason Following John MacArthur on Twitter Converting to Catholicism Reading Relevant Magazine Drinking IPAs when there's perfectly good bourbon nearby Mormon missionaries Doing DMT with Joe Rogan Looting from local GameStop in the name of justice CCM Free Willy MXPX Promoting Christian concerts Growing up around CCM artists family's Subscriber Portion Stupid things Christians say God's wonderful plan for your life? Hearing God's voice Preach the gospel, when necessary use words God will never give you more than you can handle Modesty is hottest Being banned from Twitter Women pastors International women's day Biblical hyper-fundamentalism Being born again 10 questions Carman meeting
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Yeah.
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Okay, the stick and the ball.
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With red threads in the wall?
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So today on the Babylon B interview show, we're talking to a pastor, and his name is Pastor Gabriel Hughes.
I have followed him on Twitter for a while.
Years.
I followed him today.
And you followed him today.
And I think he followed you today.
Yeah.
And he followed me for years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's this guy.
He likes to say really provocative things and get everybody going on Twitter and stuff.
So he called him out.
Yeah.
And you know what's good for an interview show is a guy who's real provocative.
Yeah.
So we said, let's bring him on and get him to say things that are provocative.
Yeah.
Yeah, we did.
And he makes these videos called Wood?
Stands for U-T.
What?
What would the text say?
When we understand the text.
That.
And yeah, they're great.
They're these short videos.
He has a ton of them, and they go through like parts of the Bible and things that people get wrong.
Like 90 second explainers.
And he has a very radio-y voice, so it works well.
Yeah.
People say, like, hey, man, can Christians be gay?
And he goes, well, if you will turn in your Bible to...
Yeah, 90 seconds.
And he does that.
Boom.
So yeah, we talked to Gabriel Hughes.
Leviticus.
Leviticus.
Yeah, we talked to him, and here it is.
here it is.
Oh, wait, should we say like, oh.
Oh, well, we said that.
You can look them up on YouTube.
Okay, and we'll put the website down there when we understand the text.
Yeah.
Hi, Gabe.
Welcome, Pastor Gabriel Hughes.
How are you today?
Hey, doing good, guys.
Good.
Although it's kind of weird being on this end and being interviewed by the Babylon B.
I feel like I should be interviewing you guys.
You do have the easiest.
Yeah, you want to do it?
Do you want to ask?
Is there anything you want to ask us?
Who am I?
Who am I compared to the Babylon Bee?
I actually started following Kyle on Twitter when you only had like 100 followers.
You were one of the OGs, man.
I was pretty early.
Where was I, Aaron?
You were around 200-something, I think.
I probably in there, yeah.
Yeah.
That's before he became Mr. Provocative Tweeter.
I tweet hardly anything provocative.
He's the provocative person.
He is.
That's true.
He's trying.
That's why we're having him.
I know you as the guy who tweets stuff that I'm like, I think I agree with that, but I wouldn't have tweeted it.
I think there was a point where I was following Ethan, but I think when Twitter did their great purge, somehow I got disconnected from Twitter.
I'm not sure what happens there.
Well, you can refollow maybe.
I don't know.
I just did.
Oh, sweet.
Okay.
So, yeah, we're connected again.
We're Sympatico.
Perfect.
I like it.
So you do these short videos called When We Understand the Text or What?
What?
What?
That's right.
It's my Tim Allen coming out right there.
Something like that.
So I'm looking at some of your videos here, and maybe you can give us the short version of the 90-second version of Sam.
I don't know.
I think the explanation generally goes longer than the video itself.
Maybe that's true.
Are you stupid?
That's a good question.
Look at your videos.
It's called Are You Stupid?
Yeah, that's right.
So I was talking about us or him.
So in Baptist circles, there's always that thing of like, you should never say the word stupid.
It's one of the S words that your kids aren't supposed to say, along with shut up, you know, in other words.
So whenever I've said it in a sermon, I've always get that comment from a mom who says, now that you've said stupid, my kids are going to say it at home to their siblings.
And they're going to reply, well, Pastor Gabe said it in a sermon, so it's okay.
You know, Proverbs 12, 1 says that the wise man loves to be corrected, but the stupid man hates reproof.
So that video kind of goes through occasions in which stupid is used, and we may have a biblical understanding of the word stupid.
Yeah, there's a lot of talk about the fool in the Bible.
That's just stupid guy.
And I usually often fit the description.
It's true.
I can verify that.
We are all fools in need of the wisdom of Christ.
Was Jesus a refugee?
Was that one of the, I'm asking.
Yeah, so the so that video kind of takes it from the position of, well, it depends on what your definition of refugee is.
But then also pointing out that these persons who are making this particular argument are Democrats who are saying that Jesus is a refugee to try to push their immigration politics.
And the Democrats would actually side with somebody more like Herod rather than with Mary and Joseph and Jesus, Herod who is trying to kill the Christ child because of the abortion-loving politics that the Democrats implement.
So they do even worse than Herod did with the massacre of the innocents, which killed a few dozen children.
Whereas Democrats and their policies are killing thousands of babies a day through the abortion policies that they implement.
So that's really the point that's being made there in 90 seconds.
Yeah.
Are Democrats stupid?
No, I'm starting.
I'm done.
I'll stop.
Ethan's giving me a look.
I am?
I don't give looks.
So I got a question.
I got a question.
Yeah, you ask us questions.
I got one here too.
Yeah.
So this goes back to the interview that you guys had with Doug Tenaples, which I loved.
I was a big earthworm gym fan when I was in high school.
I played it on Super Nintendo all the time.
It was one of my favorite video games.
And so I loved listening to that interview, but there was something that y'all said, I think in the very beginning, it was said that you were the DC talk of Christian satire.
And Doug kind of pushed back on that.
He's like, I don't know, that's a little too big for your britches there to be calling yourself the DC talk of Christian satire.
You're more like the newsboys.
So you all agreed on being the newsboys of Christian satire.
But as I'm watching that, I'm going, now hang on.
If Babylon B is the newsboys of Christian satire, then who is the DC talk about it?
Yeah, that does beg the question.
Right.
Who is?
Because we're kind of the only, right?
Or are we the Carmen?
Depends what era.
Yeah.
Like, who's DC Talk now?
Is DC Talk still DC Talk?
Who's like the biggest?
I don't even know.
DC Talk is, yeah, they're DC talk in memory only, I think, now at this point.
Because like newsboys are news talk.
Yeah, because now they have my.
They pulled DC talk into the newsboys.
Yeah.
It's all, yeah, they're all what's the word?
Incestuous.
No, that's not the right word.
They're all commingling.
It's like Supertones got some other guy from another band and then the DC talk.
I had a nickel every time they all incestuous.
It's a catch-all.
He's still looking for the right place to use that word.
Commingling.
Always trying to wedge it in.
Intermingling.
One day it's going to be genius.
He's going to say it.
That's it.
That's the spot.
That's the exact spot to use the word.
Yeah.
I did read.
I heard there was some guy trying to marry his daughter or something recently.
So that would work for that.
It was in the news.
If you're studying through 1 Corinthians 5, it works there as well.
Okay.
Do you guys want to start over?
No, just kidding.
Well, we could do our list here.
Okay, yeah.
Let's kick things off with a fun game of sin or not sin.
And we like to do this with pastors.
I think we've only done it with Joe.
Yeah, just one, yeah.
Joe Thorne, so Thorne.
But we're trying to do this with more pastor.
Yeah.
So we'll just throw the lobbies at you.
You can answer them fast, slow, whatever you want to do.
Yeah.
Fast or slow.
Yeah.
So sin or not sin.
Here we go.
Vaping like a total cheese bag.
Well, like a total cheese bag, yes.
That's a sin.
Yeah.
Ordinary vaping, maybe not so much, but like a total cheese bag, you're definitely pushing it.
How does one vape not like a cheesebag?
That's the question.
Is there a non-cheese bag?
I think it's inherent.
Yeah.
No answer.
I've not seen or encountered many cheese bags.
Really?
Not in the metaphorical sense, in the literal sense.
What is a cheese bag?
Just a bag with cheese.
It keeps your cheese fresh.
Okay.
Stay fresh cheese bags.
That was the little meme that went like an actual thing called stay fresh cheese bags.
It sounds like the thing you'd say as you leave the room.
Stay fresh cheese bags.
Or something like Bruce Willis would say, Draftre murdered everybody in the room.
Yeah, in the PG-13 version that gets put on TV.
Yeah, that's the TV, the cable correction.
All right.
Throwing up the sign of the horns while listening to heavy metal.
You guys just did it.
I mean, but that was just for example.
Yeah.
I don't, no, not literally a sin.
No.
I mean, you think of like Romans 14, 23 that says, whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.
So what is throwing up the horn supposed to be symbolizing when you do it?
This is the Apostle Paul talking to the Corinthians about, you know, we know that an idol is an empty thing.
There's nothing to an idol.
It's just, you know, it's wood or it's stone or whatever else.
So there's nothing inherently wrong or inherently sinful about going into a pagan temple, in other words.
But what sort of message does that pass on to somebody else?
Does somebody see you doing that and then it therefore causes them to stumble?
Well, in which case you've sinned because you've caused them to sin.
So we need to consider the same thing when we would do something like throwing up the horns.
Like, are we doing that because, hey, I'm rebelling against the establishment or I've redeemed this.
It means something else now than it used to.
Is somebody else going to see us doing that and think that it's okay to participate in these things?
And therefore they start listening to devil music or whatever, you know, Judas priests backwards and have caused themselves to sin and we've participated in that, therefore, as well.
So it's a matter of being considerate of one another, not using your Christian liberty to say, look, I can do this and there's nothing wrong with it.
Of the two times we've done this, that was the most in-depth answer to that question.
Is jazzer size a sin?
I don't think I really know what jazzer size is.
It was big in the 80s.
Oh, yeah, you're talking like the 80s spandex.
Yeah.
I don't think that can be redeemed.
Is a jazzer size outfit outerwear or underwear?
Please put something else on.
I think everybody is begging, cover that up.
Jazzer size should be done in like a big cardigan sweater, bag of pants.
If you do it in baggier clothes, then it would be holy.
It would be.
Doesn't he have a tweet about this?
Yeah, that's what I was referring to the tweet.
What's the tweet?
It said bikinis and leggings are underwear, not outerwear.
And it shows a lady doing makeup.
She's thinking.
Oh, she's thinking with a pencil.
Thinking with a pencil.
Yeah.
That actually came from a what video too, in fact.
But this goes back to the same thing again, being considerate of others.
And you have a lot of discussion that's going on right now whenever you start talking about a woman needing to cover herself up or dress modestly as being instructed in 1 Timothy 2.
Then some of the pushback on that is, well, that's rape culture because you're saying to a man when you're telling a woman that she needs to cover up, that it wasn't really his fault that he had a sinful thought about a woman when she dressed the way that she did.
That's not what's being communicated at all.
I mean, I'm pretty straightforward about the fact that men need to take their thoughts captive and make them obedient to Christ.
2 Corinthians 10, 5.
Every man has a responsibility to do that.
But just the same as we're talking about being considerate of others, women, our Christian sisters, do need to be mindful of the fact that men's brains work differently than women's minds do.
A woman wears a bikini to be seen.
There's nothing about that that she's doing that to in modesty.
There's nothing modest about that.
She wants her body to be noticed.
And so for Christian women, especially, you need to take in mind that we need to be considerate of one another.
Philippians 2, putting each other's needs ahead of our own.
Men need to do that as well as women do.
But on the subject of dress as it pertains to bikinis in particular, as we're entering the summer months, as things are starting to get warmer, be mindful even of your swimwear, what you wear when you go out and recreation.
I fall short of a lot of things in the Bible, but as far as not walking around in a speedo, I've never done that.
So I've been very considerate of other people.
That's great.
And that brings us to our next one: bikinis.
Sin or not sin.
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Well done steak.
I just got told recently that I was sinning because I had requested a well-done steak.
Oh.
So I'm presently in a process of examining my own conscience to find out whether I'm sinning or not by eating my steak well done.
Yeah, it would be better to eat meat sacrificed to idols than a well-done steak.
Reading a Doug Wilson book, sin or not sin.
Oh, you're immediately under church discipline in a big Eva church if you have read a Doug Wilson book.
I love Doug Wilson.
I was just browsing his Twitter this morning, as a matter of fact.
He doesn't update enough, I don't think.
But I think the guy has been sharing a lot of good wisdom in particular with the stuff that's been going on in the world.
Him and James White sure take a lot of heat for the stuff that they say, but it's kind of like look at what they've said and look what's going on in the culture.
They've been pretty right so far.
A tattoo, especially of John Piper's face.
I take a tattoo as being a matter of conscience as well.
I don't have any personally, but I'm not looking down on anybody who gets them.
My it's kind of like if that's the way you want to spend your money and then you know that's going to be on you permanently, well, that's up to you.
But of John Piper's face.
What about that part?
Getting John Piper's face tattooed on you.
I think that would be a question you'd have to ask John Piper if he was going to be a sin or not.
It's got to be somebody who's done it.
I think anybody's got a tattoo of John Piper.
Somebody.
It's just that when you reach a certain level, somebody gets a tattoo of you or of something you did or whatever.
So I'm thinking, I'm thinking is at that level.
No one has a tattoo of you.
Well, they have an axe cut.
But yeah, there's axe cop tattoos.
There's Bear Mageddon tattoos.
There's some things I've made.
I wonder if anyone's got a Babylon B tattoo.
Probably.
If I was going to do a tattoo, it would be Bear Mageddon.
Okay.
Nice.
Full back October.
Yeah.
Exactly.
That's why I wear the suit jacket, then nobody can see it.
Sprinkling a baby with water.
Sin or not sin?
Well, I bathed my kids that way, so perfectly okay.
Yeah, but you put them fully immerse your children.
You bathe them too.
I mean, small.
Right.
Even when it comes to bathing my children, I was still fully Baptist in that process as well.
So it's full immersion.
Following John MacArthur on Twitter.
Sin or not sin?
That is a matter of your sanctification to follow John MacArthur.
Even though he's not tweeting anything, it's still sanctifying for you to be following John MacArthur on Twitter.
Yeah, I very much doubt he knows how to log into Twitter.
How about converting to Catholicism?
You hear the guy cackling in the background.
He's our resident Catholic.
I don't have that one.
I added it a long time ago, though.
You're not updated.
I'm not updated, yeah.
Yes.
Listen up, Patrick.
Don't do that.
Reading Relevant Magazine is fine because I've had to read it sometimes occasionally.
It depends on if you are taking instruction from them or not.
Don't do that.
So reading it for academic purposes.
That's right.
Read it for, that's why I have that stamp in my office that says heretical for research purposes only.
I'm sure to stamp a few books with that before they go on my shelf.
Right.
Drinking IPAs, especially when there's perfectly good bourbon nearby.
I drink neither.
You answered one of our questions already, or one of the 10 questions.
Oh, yeah, it's true.
Spoilers.
Watching Game of Thrones, sin or not sin?
Yeah, I would, I have to back myself up on that since I've done a video on this, that it is, it's not good for a Christian to be entertained by things like this where, I mean, you have rampant sexuality was going on in a lot of these shows.
I was very disheartened and disappointed with a lot of my brothers and sisters in the faith who were raving about the show.
Like, hey, did you see this week's episode?
So it's not just a matter of I've watched a couple of episodes and boy, this is so awful.
I can't keep going with this.
This is something that they're continually being entertained by and investing themselves in.
And you're watching people on the screen who are getting naked and doing things with each other sexually you would not be okay with your spouse doing with somebody else.
And so it is not good for us as Christians to be entertained by these things either.
It's as Ray Comfort has put it, and I've loved Comfort's analogy.
Do you think it's okay for you to stand at somebody's bedroom window and watch them have sex?
What's the difference between that and watching good people have sex on Game of Thrones?
Is that sin?
No.
What if you watch it without clarity?
What about with VidAngel?
Yeah, what if you watch it with VidAngel?
So what is, I mean, to what extent is VidAngel cutting all of that out?
What you do on VidAngel, you pick the things you want to cut out.
I've never done anything.
I mean, yes, I have.
Yeah, I mean, I do everything with VidAngel.
Yeah, you get to check, like, I want to see no nudity or I see no sex or no language or you check what you don't want and then it'll.
Can you pick like if you want full frontal or not?
Full frontal.
How specific can you get?
I don't know.
Bikinis or no bikinis.
Yeah, check.
No jazzer size.
I can't share this interview with my family now.
We'll bleep that.
Yeah.
What?
What is this one?
I don't get it.
Let's move on to the next one.
Okay, slamming a door in a Mormon missionary's face.
Sin or not sin?
I don't know.
He's had to think hard on this one.
Yeah, stumped him.
I mean, I'm more inclined to want to invite him in and say, yeah, sure, let's have a conversation so that I can kind of show them the errors of Mormonism and introduce them to the true gospel.
But slamming a door on a Mormon's face, I mean, you just mean like angrily just go away, slam.
Yeah, like you say, you have a moment to talk about Jesus Christ and you just go, boom, and you walk away.
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with just closing the door and not engaging, but I would be, I certainly wouldn't take the position of saying that you do that angrily or do some sort of spiteful condemnation of them because the instruction we have in 2 Timothy 2 is that the Lord's servant must be kind to everyone and correcting opponents with gentleness.
So, I mean, there may be occasions where I just don't want to deal with this today.
And so you're just shutting the door, being polite about it.
I don't think that a person is necessarily in sin because they did not take the opportunity to share with a Mormon that their Mormonism was wrong and what the true gospel is.
What if you say, not today, Satan, while you slam the door?
Would that then our Mormon listeners are going to love us?
Is it my turn?
Sure.
Doing DMT on the Joe Rogan show.
Sin or not sin.
Yeah, I am very against even the recreational use of marijuana.
I don't think that giving your mind over to something where, I mean, it's basically a form of drunkenness.
So when we're talking in the scriptures about where we're told not to be given over to drunkenness, but to be filled with the spirit, being under the influence of some sort of a drug like that would be the same thing, where we're letting our minds be taken over by a substance, just like one would drink themselves unto drunkenness.
So it would be the same with smoke and dope.
Smoke and dope.
So you don't agree with the view that John wrote Revelation while high on DMT?
You don't have to respect that.
No, I don't take that view at all.
So I did watch the interview between Joe Rogan and Ben Shapiro, a portion of that interview where Shapiro was saying that the miracles in the Bible weren't real, that there were always natural explanations for them.
I don't know if he took the position that like Moses was smoking something crazy at the burning bush, but sounds like something that Joe Rogan would at least conclude.
He's made like a brush fire.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I didn't see that.
Now, all my respect for Shapiro.
Stonks down.
But yeah, he believes that like the Red Sea was even a wind blew it apart.
Those like naturalistic explanations, people.
Yeah.
Talking donkey?
Wait, is that New Testament?
That's Old Testament.
That's Old Testament.
Balaam was definitely on something to hear a donkey talking to him if that wasn't a miraculous occurrence.
I think it's your turn.
We got one more for you.
Looting from a local GameStop in the name of justice.
Definitely sin.
Thou shalt not steal.
Yeah, but it's for justice.
Yes.
We just told you that, dude.
Yeah, there's nuance.
God is for justice.
Geez.
Justice with GameStop is making their stock rise and getting rich off of that.
There's the godly justice there.
All right.
Well, that's our list.
That's all we have for our CNN.
Cool stories that you want to tell us?
Well, yeah, I think I enjoy following Kyle on Twitter, particularly for my 90s throwbacks to contemporary Christian music.
Yeah.
Because that was my era.
I enjoyed that.
So every time you're throwing in some sort of trivia or love for DC talk or Switchfoot or anybody from like that, from that era, were you allowed to listen?
Did you, Were you raised Baptist?
Were you allowed to listen to CCM?
Because we hear this a lot that people will say that CCM was like a sin in their household.
Yeah, I was definitely allowed to listen to it.
And anything, even Christian Heavy Rock, my dad let me listen to it as long as it wasn't secular.
So none of the secular music was allowed in my house.
There was one time when I was a kid, even tried to sneak thriller into the house and it burned up at the front door.
So there was no way that was getting in.
Anybody remember the movie Free Willie?
Did you watch that as a kid?
Okay.
So there's the Michael Jackson song at the very end.
Oh, yeah.
I recorded that on my boom box and my dad caught me doing that and took my boom box away from me.
So the secular music was not allowed, but I could listen to anything Christian.
So yeah, even bands like DC Talk, Newsboys, they were all okay.
Yeah, we were very similar.
If it was in the Christian bookstore, we could get it.
Right.
And I remember in particular, you know, like we bought MXPX CDs.
They weren't really Christian, you know, but that was like as far as we could go.
Project 86.
Yeah, that was like the rebelling.
And I think MXPX is live CD.
They did a cover of the KKK Took My Baby Away, but it wasn't on the Christian version.
You know, if you sold it to Christian Bookstore, it didn't have it because it said the word KKK.
So that's, we could not listen to the secular version of that album, but we could listen to the one in the Christian Bookstore.
Now, I grew up backstage at a lot of these shows.
My dad used to do, he used to promote Christian concerts.
And so when I lived in Columbia, South Carolina as a kid, it was the Columbia Coliseum and he would be doing concerts with guys like Phil Keggy and Harvest.
I don't know if anybody remembers Harvest.
Keith Green, my dad was actually friends with Keith Green back in the day.
The church that I attend now, I'm associate pastor at First Baptist Church in Lindale, Texas, and Dallas Home is a member of this church.
And so my dad will text me every once in a while on a Sunday morning and says, he'll say, hey, if you see Dallas today, ask him if he remembers so-and-so from back in like 1982.
So I think my dad's living vicariously through my connection to Dallas home right now.
Fantastic.
Did you ever see Phil Keggy like just B-rated a roadie?
Like, hey, Mike goes over here.
Wash off my guitar before you give it to me.
Not Keggy, but there, I mean, you definitely see more of the real side of some of these guys in Christian music.
And that's not to say anything, I mean, negative about them.
It's just you're reminded that they're human beings.
We tend to put them up on a pedestal and all you see of these guys is either what you see on their album cover or you see them up on a stage performing or things like that.
But, you know, a lot of times these guys would travel with their families.
So you see their families backstage.
I had the chance to babysit one of Toby McKeon's kids when he was on tour with Audio Adrenaline.
That was Audio Adrenaline's last tour before Mark Stewart hung his hat up.
And so, you know, it's neat that I got to grow up in that atmosphere and kind of see that side of contemporary Christian music, but it also took the away of it for me.
I didn't ever grow up with that idea of like seeing these guys as superstars or things like that.
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So, we're gonna go to our subscriber exclusive portion now, and uh, you're gonna tell us about dumb things Christians say, stupid things Christians say, rather.
Um, and we're gonna go through some of your tweets that got you in hot water on social media, and we're gonna ask you to defend them to try to get you canceled.
My elders already did this with me, so uh, well, yeah, we have more spiritual authority than your elders.
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So, these are dumb stuff that Christians say.
All right.
Well, we want to get into his tweets here, really.
Yeah, let's get crank up the heat.
Now, it's stupid things Gabe says.
Canceled.
I forgot about that one.
That's real good.
Like, wow, I was pretty smart.
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