This is the Babylon Bee weekly news podcast for the week of 4/8/2020. In this episode of The Babylon Bee podcast, editor-in-chief Kyle Mann and creative director Ethan Nicolle talk about how unemployment has skyrocketed, Jeremy Camp has created a camp for all kids named Jeremy, and how Bill Gates' cure for coronavirus was taken out by a Windows virus. Kyle and Ethan then discuss the wonder, the mystery, and the historicity of the Resurrection and how that sets Christianity apart from every other worldview. In the subscriber portion, Kyle and Ethan see what you subscribers out there are reading in our new premium open discussion thread. This podcast is brought to you by the Classic Learning Test (CLT Exam). Check out an alternative to the SAT and ACT at cltexam.com Pre-order the new Babylon Bee Best-Of Coffee Table Book coming in 2020! Show Outline Introduction - Kyle tortures Ethan with Star Trek talk. Kyle- Codenames A Party Game Ethan- That Story Show Podcast Story 1 - Groundbreaking New Study Suggests Shutting Down Economy Could Contribute To Unemployment This gif tells the story of the weekly unemployment claims. Unemployment skyrocketed over 10 million unemployment claims in just two weeks. Some are projecting 15% unemployment rate in a few weeks and many small businesses are threatened with permanent closures and bankruptcies Story 2 - Jeremy Camp Opens Camp For Underprivileged Kids Named Jeremy: 'Jeremy Camp' Story 3 - Tragic: Bill Gates Had A Cure For Coronavirus But It Was Erased By A Windows Virus Gates had stepped down from Microsoft board recently to focus on humanitarian efforts. He says the deaths from coronavirus are a "nightmare scenario" but could be less that what is being predicted if we all stay home. He said back in 2015 that we should be concerned about disease and not war causing millions of deaths. Topic of the Week - The historicity of Christianity in the life, death, and resurrection of Christ. The full humanity of Christ and how modern Christians tend to de-emphasize the resurrection of the body. Modern Christians have deemphasized the resurrection of the body. Kyle's college story Purpose-driven life gospel presentation: "Believe God loves you and made you for his purposes. Believe you're not an accident. Believe you were made to last forever. Believe God has chosen you to have a relationship with Jesus, who died on the cross for you. Believe that no matter what you've done, God wants to forgive you. Second, receive. Receive his forgiveness for your sins. Receive his Spirit, who will give you the power to fulfill your life purpose. ... Wherever you are reading this, I invite you to bow your head and quietly whisper the prayer that will change your eternity. 'Jesus, I believe in you and I receive you.' Go ahead. If you sincerely meant that prayer, congratulations! Welcome to the family of God!"" Lord I Lift Your Name on High Bible's emphasis on resurrection -- ...If Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. "By vindicating Christ in His resurrection, the Father declared His acceptance of Jesus' work on our behalf... Had Christ not been raised, we would have a mediator whose redeeming work in our behalf was not acceptable to God." -- RC Sproul "The cross and the empty tomb stand at the center of the Christian faith. Without these, there is no good news — no salvation." -- Albert Mohler Emptiness of "religion" and the alternatives A.) Pop culture -- "he's in a better place" B.) Atheist eulogy: And the physicist will remind the congregation of how much of all our energy is given off as heat. There may be a few fanning themselves with their programs as he says it. And he will tell them that the warmth that flowed through you in life is still here, still part of all that we are, even as we who mourn continue the heat of our own lives. And you'll want the physicist to explain to those who loved you that they need not have faith; indeed, they should not have faith. Let them know that they can measure, that scientists have measured precisely the conservation of energy and found it accurate, verifiable and consistent across space and time. You can hope your family will examine the evidence and satisfy themselves that the science is sound and that they'll be comforted to know your energy's still around. According to the law of the conservation of energy, not a bit of you is gone; you're just less orderly. Amen. Proofs of the Resurrection Empty tomb -- why didn't his enemies just produce his body? Eyewitnesses -- Christianity began spreading rapidly as the eyewitness accounts began to spread. Disciples' boldness -- Seeing a resurrected Christ turned Peter from being afraid of a little girl to proclaiming Christ crucified to thousands in the book of Acts (Bible's honesty). Martyrs -- at some point, you would have thought some of the disciples would have given up the game if it were all a hoax. But all of them except possibly John were slaughtered for their faith and clung to Christ's resurrection as their power and hope. Ultimately we believe because of the Word of God and because of our changed lives by the resurrection power of God. Love Mail/Hate Mail/ Feedback - We got love mail. We think. This is an emoji filled message so we will take it as a compliment. Paid-subscriber portion (Starts at 01:10:51) Open Discussion Thread: Whatchyall Readin' Lately? Become a paid subscriber at https://babylonbee.com/plans
In a world of fake news, this is news you can trust.
Telling you what you want to hear to feed our desperate need to be liked.
You're listening to the Babylon Bee with your hosts, Kyle Mann and Ethan Nicole.
Welcome to the Voyages of the Babylon Bee.
Our four-year-long satire mission has been to trigger strange new triggering people.
I don't know what you're talking about at all.
Is that something Star Trek-y or something?
Yes, it's something Star Trek-y is a Star Trek.
Yes.
The most Star Trek-y thing there is is Star Trek.
In a galaxy far, far away.
That's Star Wars.
It's not Star Trek.
I can't think of anything from Star Trek.
They do the as pointed ears.
Space, the Final Frontier.
These are the voyages of the USS Enterprise.
Okay, I thought that was Cosmos with Carl Sagan.
No.
That doesn't make sense.
All right, cool.
I'm learning stuff.
Yeah, well, already.
Quoting from Star Trek chapter 1, verse 1 of the Star Trek Bible.
Star Trek.
Huh.
Trek.
Yeah.
I was going to try to mix some Star Trek with like a Bible of the name, but I can't think of Trekakiah.
Star Trekaniah.
Well, there was the movie Nemesis, which just sounds like Genesis.
There you go.
Then you just said Nemesis 1-1.
There you go.
I don't know.
I'm fine with abandoning this whole thing.
Moving on from that.
First contact also sounds like a book of the Bible.
First and second contact.
First and second contact.
It also sounds like weird police talk for inappropriate things that happen.
When you first get a girlfriend, you have first contact.
A kid who was raised in a Christian home as first contact.
First contact.
Our hands brushed by each other as we reached for the hymnal.
And we had first contact.
What is even happening right now?
Actually, a lot of Star Trek movies sound like books of the Bible.
Insurrection.
Insurrection 12-1.
You're still going on that?
Yeah.
I'm still going on the Star Trek, man.
I can't help you.
I don't know any Star Trek names or anything.
Cling on.
Sure.
Do you guys remember the Genesis planet?
Oh, yeah.
The Genesis planet.
Was that in three, Star Trek 2?
Star Trek 2, The Wrath of Khan.
They make a Genesis planet, and then Star Trek 2.
Yeah, but they land on it in three.
They land on it in three, yeah.
That's right.
The Wrath of Khan.
Two was amazing.
Three was horrible.
I wouldn't know.
Was that Search for Spock?
Search for Spock was number three.
All the odd-numbered ones are awful.
All right, let me know when we're done talking about this so I can get back in.
Ethan, this is your job is to sound interested and to make puns about things.
That's fascinating.
You know what that reminds me of, Kyle?
And then you could see, you could actually steer the conversation back to something interesting.
That reminds me of a banjo song.
The Wrath of Willie Connor.
Is that the name?
No, it's not.
Real banjo song.
The wrath of Conroy.
Conway Twitty.
That's actually a bluegrass guy.
See, I got you going.
The Wrath of Conway Twitty.
There we go.
I got you going.
Well, everybody, this is the Babylon Beat Podcast, and I'm Kyle Mann with my wonderful, friendly, jolly hoke host, Ethan Nicole.
You call me a hoke host?
Did I say ho-coast?
He said hocost.
No, I didn't.
I'm pretty sure he did.
Let's review the tape.
Review the tape.
So my hoke host, Ethan Nicole, and we are in quarantine.
Yeah.
Surviving in isolation and stuff.
How's it affecting you, Kyle?
I don't know.
My life is about the same.
Yeah, I guess it is about the same.
My wife kind of lost her job.
That's true.
My wife is still working, but we have no babysitter.
And so it's been a little bit different.
It's like summer happened earlier.
I think I've already said this, but I'm thrown off by it.
It's been rough for me.
Staying up way too late and getting up early, trying to still get up at the same time of going to way later than I should.
So that's the dark rings in my eyes I got going on right now.
I'm going to bed late too.
I don't know why, though.
It happens to be during the summer when the whole family's home all day.
I think I just feel that like that sigh of relief.
It's not that you don't love my family, but it's so you need that time where like nobody needs anything from you and you get really hooked on it.
Oh, you mean you stay, so you intentionally stay up late.
Yeah, I stay up late just watching stupid things on YouTube or whatever.
Yeah.
It's not good to do a lot of so.
My wife's a night owl, so I rarely get that nighttime.
Oh, really?
I couldn't survive if my wife was a night owl.
Once in a while, she's, you know, I'm super tired of sleep, so then I get to veg out with a video game for a couple hours or whatever.
But rarely.
Yeah.
Rarely.
Well, everybody, this is the Babylon Bee podcast, and we go through news.
We tell you about cool stuff that we like, and we discuss the topic of the week, which this week is Easter.
That's right.
Should be a lot of fun, even though none of us actually get to go to church for Easter.
That's so weird.
It's going to be very strange.
But we'll figure it out.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, why don't we talk about some stuff that we like first?
Let's do that.
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Seems like that would be a booming business right now with everything being shut down.
So good for them.
They've been sponsors of the Babylon Bee a couple of times and we really appreciate it.
Sweet.
But now, this week's edition of Stuff That's Good.
Whoa.
All right.
Clear the debris away.
And here we are.
Brushing everything exciting.
Brushing bits of glass.
Yeah, I mentioned two by fours across me and broken glass.
We all have to pick them up off of you.
Yeah.
Pull Ethan out of the rubble.
Ethan, what's good?
Hey, Ethan, what's good, man?
Do you have a thing that's good?
I'll think of something.
You haven't got anything yet?
I got something.
Go ahead.
Give yours first, though.
All right.
So I actually would like to have these guys on our podcast at some point.
I discovered them long ago.
There's a podcast called That Story Show.
The guys that make it, they're actually, they're Christian guys.
They're both ex-youth pastors.
I think one of them still is a youth pastor.
But the story, the show is clean comedy.
People send in funny stories in their life.
Sometimes they'll do topical shows.
But every week they read, they tell stories from their own lives, but they also just bring in, people send in stories.
And they have a pretty big audience, but it's all family friendly.
So my kids love it.
It's hard to find podcasts that you can listen to with your kids, especially that are funny.
So I would highly recommend that story show.
Look it up on Apple and give it a listen.
It's funny.
It's funny and clean.
And you can listen to it with your kids.
So that's like, to me, that's hard to find that in podcasts.
No, it's a road trip.
Is it something that it's just like, well, it's clean so kids can listen to it?
Or is it like actually targeted towards targeting they can enjoy?
Like he doesn't try to dumb things down for kids.
It's not like it's for adults, really.
But you can listen to it in the car and they're not going to.
Yeah, and it's probably like, it's PG-ish, and maybe every once in a while it gets a little bit like he'll make like fart jokes and butt jokes sometimes, you know, like stuff.
He might make jokes that are a little inappropriate, but it's within that realm of like YouTube, like a youth leader, YouTube leader, a youth leader being inappropriate, you know, like it's like the line is like he pushes those lines, but in general, it's just, yeah, I think that's the main thing because you enjoy it as an adult, but your kids, as long as they know what he's talking about, the really young kids don't usually know what they're saying, but laughter is infectious and there's a lot a lot of laughing on the show.
So like my daughter, because my 10-year-old loves it.
Actually, my 10 and 13-year-old both like my 10-year-old loves it the most.
But if I listen to it in the car, even though my five-year-old at first is like, no, I want to listen to Frozen, because we're laughing so much, she just eventually starts laughing with us, even though she doesn't know why we're laughing.
Huh.
Yeah.
We got a video sent to us from a subscriber this week of their little four-year-old daughter saying, I want to listen to the Babylon Bee podcast.
So I don't know if they bribed her bizarre, yeah.
Maybe it's one of those things, like you hear the voices all the time, and it's like, hey, dad.
Yeah.
I want to listen to the Babylon Bee.
Could be.
So here we are.
Here we are.
So my thing that I'm going to promote is unsurprisingly a board game.
Oh, boy.
Yeah.
So everybody locked in their houses, bored.
And you're so bored that you've gotten to the point, you know, say, you know what?
Let's play a board game.
Like you've gotten that far.
I never get there.
But my wife does all the time.
And then I'm like, I know, but I'm telling you, like in a month, you've been locked in your house for two months.
It might start to sound like a good idea.
I don't know.
So let me promote the board game.
Okay, yeah, you were code names.
Oh, yeah, I've heard of this.
Matt McDavid was telling you about it where he was.
He was.
He was ranting about it when we were at the when we were over at his shop.
So code names is a game where it's kind of hard to describe, I guess.
But there's a table covered in cards that have words on them.
Okay.
And you have to get somebody, you have to get the other members of your team to guess which two, three, or four words you're thinking of.
And you do that by saying one word.
So you have to connect all these words that are on the board with one word.
So you might have, and the words are assigned to you.
So you might have the word like snow.
I'm already lost.
See, this is me.
You might have a word like snow, mountain, board, and hair.
Gotcha.
And you need to say one word to get them to point at all of those in this mix of cards that are on that.
That seems complicated.
And it's very fun because you're trying to get, and there's a certain say one word and they have to say, one word.
And then, yeah.
So you'd have to say like Sean.
Wait, is Sean White a snow worker?
Yeah.
So you could say like Sean White or one word.
Oh, but you can't say one word.
You have to say one word.
Or no, you could say the name of a person like Sean White.
They still might not get to hair.
He has funky hair, but.
Yeah.
See, but that's good.
Sean White.
That's really hard.
But it's a stretch.
And you got to go for it.
But it's kind of up to you.
Do you want to try to link two words, three words, four words?
Oh, so four is like really a big stretch.
Okay.
But sometimes the other team is way ahead of you.
You got to do it.
So, if you got four people in your family at least, or your homeschool family, you've got like 12.
Well, our kids have done pretty well.
We actually have the Harry Potter version too.
And they like that.
Because they'll say the name of the movie.
Oh, these three were in the movie.
And the best part is there's like one card that you cannot point at at all.
If your team guesses that one wrong, you lose immediately.
So you might have that snowboard, blah, sean, blah, but then it might say sports.
And you cannot point at sports.
So then you couldn't say Sean White.
And you'd have to be like, oh, there's a cancer.
You're like, ah, there's a perfect clue, but I can't say it because I'll point it.
But I got to go for it anyway.
Anyway, if you got a family of at least four people, five, six people, perfect thing to bust out during this time of coronavirus.
All right.
So listen to the Story Show podcast while you play code names.
Yeah.
If you go back into that story show's history, you'll actually find a couple episodes I was on.
Oh, nice.
Yeah.
But yeah, I think it'd be cool to have them on because we could do a some story.
Do like a that story show crossover episode and they could uh we could do funny church stories and stuff.
Perfect.
I like it.
Yeah.
All right.
All right.
News time.
This has been stuff that's good.
Every week there are stories.
These are some of them.
First story coming in hot.
Groundbreaking news study suggests shutting down economy could contribute to unemployment.
Hmm.
Seems like there might be some kind of connection there.
Don't you think that it's just pure evidence that the failure of capitalism economy can't survive everybody shutting down?
Capitalism has failed us.
It's just what I want to say.
I love all these arguments.
Like nothing will work if you remove all of its fuel.
Like the thing that runs it, it won't take it away.
It's going to die.
I don't even see it as like fuel or like, it's just like you stopped.
It's just what it is.
You just stopped it from happening.
Yeah.
And now it doesn't work.
Elephants are not able to be elephants because you removed elephantness from them.
You shot the elephant.
You got rid of elephant.
There's nothing there.
There's just footprints.
What a terrible elephant.
Giant circular footprints.
It's dead because you shot them.
I love when we make amazing analogies.
This is a great analogy.
So 10 million unemployment claims in the last two weeks.
Yeah, there's an insane GIF.
I say GIF.
I'm down with the GIF.
Down with the GIF.
My wife says GIF every time.
She spells it out.
She spells it out.
I keep saying, it's just GIF.
You just say gish.
I say GIF.
Check out this hilarious J-P-E-G image.
Yeah, she says GIF.
But there's a GIF that you can watch on the internet.
And it shows unemployment throughout the ages.
It's just little spikes that go up and down, up and down, up and down.
All of a sudden, when it hits 2020, it just shoots up into the air like Superman.
And it just keeps going and going.
Well, it's amazing is they scale and they scale the other spikes.
So at first, when you see this spike from like 2007, 2008, you're like, whoa, that was really bad.
And then when the spike comes for the one that just happened, it's like, that all just completely flattens out because it's such a small difference in comparison.
It looks like all the other spikes are bits of blades of grass on the ground.
And then the spike for right now is a tree above all that grass.
Like you could turn that graph into a drawing of a tree in the grass.
Maybe we should do that.
I'll do it.
Have your kids do it.
Yeah, it's just insane.
I mean, I knew those numbers were coming, but that is frightening.
But you know, the weird part about it is I feel like it's so temporary.
I hope so.
Like a pause, because it's, you know, in a month, they're like, okay, everybody, get back to work.
I hope so.
I guess it's just how long is that recovery going to take and how much damage is it going to do in the meantime?
If people are losing their homes and small businesses are closing, then those jobs are not going to be back.
Yeah, like how do there have to be businesses that die from this?
Absolutely.
I don't know how they're going to survive.
I saw studies saying that some are already closing.
I think on Ducer, I think it was Discern.
I saw a quarter of small businesses say they might have to close if this continues.
You can't just turn off the faucet and expect people to continue.
Yeah, it totally works for a politician to be like, we all got to shut down to save lives.
But like, it's hard for me to imagine the politician that goes, all right, let's get back out there.
Because then if people start dying, then they carry that.
That's definitely a riskier.
Yeah.
And politicians don't like risking their reputations.
Yeah.
So I'm scared.
I don't know.
The further into this, the more nervous I get about it.
I'm sure I'm not alone in it.
Isn't it weird how readily everybody kind of got on board with it?
Yeah, okay.
Well, shutting down our business.
I got no rights.
It's very strange.
It's under house arrest.
Sure.
It's very strange.
It's like you can agree on a medical and a scientific level that, you know what, it's probably best for people to stay home when they can, stay away from them.
But at the same time, you can say from an economic level and just the absolute devastation that's going to happen.
Yeah.
It's just insane that people just serve.
And then the government just taking advantage of this.
Yeah.
That's a lot of scandal to me.
And the weirdness that you're not even allowed to have that conversation.
I'm sure you've run into people like that where you can't even talk about it as if there's anything to talk about.
Right.
If you bring up the whole idea that, you know, are we screwing up our economy and just everything we got?
It seems like we're really just doing this with like, it feels a little willy-nilly.
It's like, you monster.
You want everybody to die.
As though people won't die from a Great Depression.
So the Washington Post had a go ahead.
Oh, sorry.
And just not to mention the other economies that depend on our economy to thrive.
Yeah, it's worldwide at this point.
Yeah.
It's the saying, it was like when America gets the cold, other countries like, yeah, I'm butchering that probably.
The world gets cancer or something like that.
But the idea, then there's all these other economies that, yeah, they work for cheap, but they need to at least have that money.
Like we stop ordering in goods and stuff, and they then really goes bad.
The Washington Post had an article they tweeted out.
The coronavirus recession is exposing how the economy was not as strong as it seemed.
It's such a bizarre thing to say.
You shut down the economy and now it's not working anymore.
Because the coronavirus is literally disease, right?
So if you like, just imagine like the rock.
Dwayne Johnson suddenly gets like some horrible disease.
He's in a hospital bed.
You know, he gets the wasn't as strong as we thought.
Well, he wasn't as strong as we thought.
He got cancer.
That'd be the most insulting non-sequitur you could ever put on somebody.
I thought my computer was really good at running Doom Eternal, but then I unplugged it.
And didn't run it so well then.
Yeah.
You can't even handle a little tiny boop.
Unplug.
It actually reminds me of a hilarious old onion article that says, study.
Dolphins not so smart on land.
They've got these dolphins lying out on the asphalt and the scientists staring at them like writing, taking this.
I thought they were good swimmers and stuff, but the onion is a secular knockoff of the Babylon B, if you're not aware.
I always thought the whole idea that dolphins were smarter than humans is I feel like it says more about the person saying that than about dolphins.
What does that mean?
Like, do they measure like weird connections in their brain and say they have this many brain connections?
They can learn this and then because anybody who says that, they're really excited about it.
They're not like, they don't doubt it.
They're like, they want an animal to be smarter than humans.
Do they actually think dolphins are smarter than humans?
I thought it was like the smartest animal.
Yeah, they're closest to humans or something.
I think they maybe will take it more that they're more moral or they're more loving.
And people that owe dogs, too, were nothing compared to dogs.
Yeah.
The only thing about dogs, though, is the dogs are really sweet and good, but they'll be that way for Hitler or anybody.
That's true.
They're pretty stupid.
Yeah, when you think about it, they'll be like serial killers, buddy.
They have no moral, you know, no moral compass.
Yeah, they're just an idiotic sidekick.
That's really sweet.
Yeah.
And people always compliment them.
And I have two dogs.
I love dogs.
People will say, dogs don't judge you, man.
Yeah.
I'm like, well, what about Hitler?
They should have judged.
Imagine if the dog could judge Hitler's dog, like, holy cow, this guy's horrible.
I'm going to bite his neck right now.
World War II ended.
World War II could have been avoided if dogs were just a German Shepherd.
You know, didn't just walk in lockstep with Germany.
Freaking dogs, man.
German Shepherd.
Freaking dogs.
Hmm.
Well, let's move on to our next story.
Let's do it.
Oh, man.
I have to say this one.
Why do I have to say this one?
I like how first you tweeted about this one.
And everybody was, I mean, it was so dumb, even just tweeting about it.
And then you went ahead and did it.
And the tweet was about how your wife was like, what, rolling her eyes at it?
It was like 12:30 in the morning.
We were in bed, and I go, hey, how about this joke?
Ultimately, she got a joke.
Her face doesn't move at all.
She's like, no, Kyle.
No, Kyle.
No.
And here we are because you have the keys to the Babylon B kingdom.
Not for a long time.
I'm forced to talk about it in order to make my to pay my bills.
Jeremy Camp opens camp for underprivileged kids named Jeremy.
Oh, Jeremy Camp.
Jeremy Camp opens camp for underprivileged kid named Jeremy.
And it's called Jeremy Camp.
Jeremy Camp.
Now that the headline has been thoroughly butchered, as if it wasn't bad enough already.
Get it?
Because his name's Jeremy and he made a camp.
But only Jeremy's can go.
But only Jeremy's can go.
Jeremy Camp.
That's called Jeremy Camp.
This is so funny.
It's so dumb.
I do think Dan's motivation for putting this horrible joke on here because it's one of our only non-coronavirus jokes.
And he wrote it in our notes.
What was going on in Kyle's head?
What were you thinking?
It is a joke I would make.
So I can't hate.
I can't hate on it too much.
I think you've got to, you know, because these kind of satire sites, it's like you're trying to write these articles that get shared virally and you try to get the biggest thing.
You make some big point.
You're trying to make a great point.
And I think it's great to just throw one out there.
You're like, this is very stupid.
And I know it's very stupid.
But I'm running this for me.
Yeah.
You know, I think that's healthy.
Yeah, that's always, I mean, for me, John Bolton being a walrus, that kind of stuff is always.
Of course, that one.
I'm not making any kind of political point.
Yeah, that one killed.
But that one killed.
So that's not a great example.
They had a great Photoshop.
It's like in the Stephen King book, Misery.
You know, the guy goes and he writes for his fan who's crazy and she tries to break his legs and she does break his legs.
She does, you know, because he's, you know, to make him write the novel that she wants.
And he burns it at the end.
And at the end, he goes, he writes another novel and he says, I wrote this one for me.
That's, you know.
So you fans are the ones who broke my legs and forced me to write about Ocasio-Cortez.
I said, you know what?
I want to write a Jeremy Camp article that's really stupid for me.
So, Jeremy Camp's musician, right?
Yes, he is.
He's a CCM artist.
I don't know my CCM anything past like late 90s or like around 2000.
I kind of dropped off on my CCM knowledge.
So, Jeremy Camp came around in like the early 2000s, I believe.
He had an album called Stay, and it was really good.
He wrote it for his dog.
Yeah, hey, stay.
Stay.
Don't buy Hitler's Throat.
And all the different songs are called like sit, shake, roll over.
Sorry.
And anyway, my brother had the CD, and we would go to, he would bump it every morning.
Bump it?
So it's got like lots of bass.
Sure.
Well, we would load into his Isuzu rodeo, and we would go to high school every morning.
And it's just super loud playing this thing.
Asuzu?
Is that a car company?
Yeah.
Suzu.
Asuzu Rodeo.
Yeah.
And he would drive us there and I would get all mad.
I'm like, Ryan, turn it down.
You're Napoleon Dynamite.
Yeah.
Ryan, turn it down.
Stop, guys.
It's just not funny.
So, anyway, so I have his first album, like ingrained.
So it was like his number one song that I should know.
I still believe.
I still believe in your faith in this.
I don't know.
Oh, man.
He's got a lot of hits.
He's got a lot of hits.
Everybody else that listens to our podcast is yelling at me right now.
We all know who he is.
Shut up, hey.
Empty me.
Empty me.
I know you got to do it.
There it was.
I was trying to preempt your joke about that.
I don't know if that single more than enough.
Cookie monster?
All of you.
He's like one of those Eddie Vedder type sounding.
Okay.
It's more than enough.
Oh, I know that one.
Yeah, there you go.
Yeah.
All right.
So Jeremy Camp.
So we were just actually looking, and there's actually a lot of other stuff that CCM is contemporary Christian music, just so people know when you say that.
So other products, products they've put out.
Yeah.
So, for instance, you know, our good friend from DC Talk, Kevin Max, has released his own line of Kevin Maxi pads.
It's awesome.
McDonald's has announced.
What would his slogan be?
Oh, no.
McDonald's has announced the new Toby Mac sandwich.
Oh, the Toby Mac.
It's the number one combo.
Toby Mac and Cheese.
John Piper's got a pole pipe shop he's opened up with little briars and cherry woods.
Piper's Pipes.
Called Piper's Pipes.
Car.
There are so many of these.
Gotta go fast.
Carmen.
Carmen will not come to your house and repair your car.
It's the carman.
Carmen the Carman.
Because you look at his name, it's spelled my buddy.
Carmen the Carmen here.
Carmen the Carman, brothers.
And he'll rap at you as he fixes.
I noticed your car was under the weather.
Why don't you and I get together?
I'll get out my wrench.
I'll get out my dolly.
I'll fix your car.
You're going to say, oh, golly.
Okay.
Petra Rock and Gravel Company.
Like how I started sounding disappointed as I said it.
Newsboys has their own news service?
What is that?
Just like a news site, I guess.
I guess.
Fake Newsboys.
Who wrote that joke?
I tried writing a fake newsboys article.
It never got used.
It was good.
It was Trump.
Called the Fake Newsboys because they have a new lead singer.
Not new anymore, but Stephen Curtis Chapstick.
I mean, you've been making out at Church Camp too much.
Slap on some Stephen Curtis chapstick.
Switchfoot has a line of what are they called?
Prosthetics.
Prosthetics.
Like prosthetic feet.
Yeah, you can detach your foot and put on a different.
They're very modular.
You can just switch it anytime you want.
Do spring feet.
Different kinds.
Moon boots.
Moon boots.
Drills.
Skates, like drill into the ground and end up in China.
Ones with wheels.
You don't want to do that right now.
Yeah.
Gun feet.
Gun feet.
Pie launchers.
Everything.
Little lights, like LA lights.
Remember those?
I do.
I don't want to do ones.
I don't even know what the band is.
Casting Crowns, Dental Repair.
We just wrote on every joke everybody came up with.
Skillets official line of cookware.
Cutlass cutlery of safety knives.
Or we couldn't decide on the joke.
We just put two in here.
Cutlass cutlery that doesn't cut.
Or cutless hair salon that doesn't cut you.
I don't know.
I think we're working these jokes out a lot on the show.
DC Talk.
Hey, they got their new Washington DC talk radio show now in the morning.
There probably is a radio show of that.
You're listening to DC Talk in the morning with Kevin and Stacey.
I was trying to name the DC Talk people.
Oh, morning shows.
I have two people.
Kevin and Toby.
Kevin and Toby.
Yeah, I got nothing else to add to that.
Matt Redman, something, something.
We'll skip that one.
Anywhere out a joke?
I think I had proposed Matt Redman chewing tobacco.
I like that.
We'll go with that.
Okay.
Lauren Diggles bagels.
Need to breathe is releasing a line of inhalers.
So we're doing this basically to just show you that people have asthma.
We're basically doing this to show you that Jeremy Camp was the best.
Was it?
It was the cream of the crop.
Did you do the inhalers?
You did the inhalers.
Third day delivery service.
Third day shipping.
Shipping and logistics.
Guaranteed.
Third day.
I'm skipping that one.
Audio adrenaline is releasing their own line of EpiPens.
So when your friends in shock from a drug overdose or something or whatever they got, an allergy attack, you just get an audio adrenaline, shove it in their chest.
When they absolutely need to stay alive, make it an audio adrenaline.
Audio adrenaline.
Epinephrine shop.
Amy Grants, Grants and Lowell's.
Big Daddy Weaves.
That's just a guy, right?
No, there's a band called Big Daddy Weave.
Okay, but so they have, they sell weaves or something?
Is that the joke?
There's no Big Daddy Weave.
Yeah, it just says Big Daddy Weave.
Big Daddy Weaves Weaves.
We were on a time crunch this week.
Demon Hunter Pest Removal, Ethan.
Yeah, look at those things.
It's like demons.
And they go.
You ever seen those silverfish?
They look like demons.
And they go, hey, it looks like he has silver fish.
take care of it and then they start singing like stained Your house is clear.
It's time to smog the house, so you have to leave for about a week.
Give it 72 hours.
And they put a big circus tent on your house.
I'm not going to read that one.
Yeah, me either.
Everyday Sunday chicken restaurant.
Get it?
Because they would never be open.
I hate all these.
You guys are the worst.
What about POD?
They're doing a little print-on-demand service.
PODs.
Yeah.
POD service.
Rapcor, pamphlets, self-published books, banners, and canvas prints.
Come to POD.
And they'll deliver it on the third day.
Printable on demand on the third day.
Yeah.
We can start mixing them all together.
With Big Daddy Weaves, which has nothing to do with a joke.
Rin Collectives.
Rin Collection Agency.
I don't know what that band is.
They are the Mumford and Sons of the Christian.
Oh, Mumford and Sons are atheists.
I thought the guy was supposed to be a Christian, or he was related to the Vineyard movement or something.
Because when they came out, all my Christian friends were like, Mumford and Sons, man.
Like, I'd be like, I like bluegrass.
Like, oh, yeah, Mumford and Sons, bro.
And then I listened to Mumford and Sons.
I was like, well, that's not really.
They have a banjo going, but.
Yeah, it was kind of like it was kind of like, oh, they must be Christian because they're kind of.
They have sons.
Well, and their lyrics sounded kind of like vaguely spiritual or something.
Like Creed?
Yeah.
With a banjo.
Creed with a banjo.
That's exactly what they were.
We should definitely move on from this one.
All right, let's do our next story.
Tragic.
Bill Gates had a cure for coronavirus, but it got erased by a Windows virus.
Whole hard drive wiped out.
Blue screen of death.
Sad.
Been there.
Not good.
It's pretty much how when I get a new computer, it's just that something happens.
Blue screen to death.
Windows just all falls apart.
I'm like, oh, because I'll buy a new one.
You just buy a new one when you get a blue screen of death?
Not initially, but if I keep getting it.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I have a friend in I.T., so I call him constantly.
He used to be in the band that I was in.
And so he's constantly doing free IT work for me.
Oh, nice.
I'm sure he appreciates that.
Yeah.
Do you also, your friends who have pickup trucks, do you call them all the time, getting to move stuff?
None of my friends have pickup trucks anymore.
Noma friends got an old pickup truck.
No mole.
Nobody has them in the LA area down here in SoCal.
I'd say I have some friends with pickup trucks.
You're more blue-collar.
Well, were you blue-collar?
Because you're in the construction industry.
Yeah, but I was in the same.
But you probably worked with blue-collar guys.
Yeah, for sure.
Well, I started out in the truck driving.
I drove the truck and I ran the warehouse, so I was blue-collar.
And then I got called up to the big leagues.
Oh, yeah.
Corporate.
Corporate.
Yep.
And you wear a polo shirt every day.
So you went from being like Daryl from your office.
It was like Daryl going up to the.
Going up to become a gym.
That's a very apt.
Apt.
Quite apt.
So Bill Gates is kind of in the news because I guess he's been commenting on the coronavirus and stuff.
I don't know.
You're like rich enough that if you just say something, it's news.
Like, hey, I got something to say.
Yeah.
And you get all these interviews.
Where did he say this?
Is he like a deli?
I don't know.
I saw all these interviews with him.
He's just getting interviewed.
He's getting interviewed about it.
Okay, you're known for having computers that get tons of viruses.
So how would you react to this virus that's taking over the world?
You're the expert.
Yeah.
So what do you got, Bill?
And also, you know, he kind of.
He's like a humanitarian type because he goes off and tries to solve problems, which is cool.
I think that's neat.
But, you know.
But again, it's kind of weird.
You got these rich guys who don't have to worry about anything going.
You all need to stay home.
Yeah.
And not go to work.
When you're very selfish, if you go to work.
Yeah.
And it's just like, well, they live in this massive.
It's kind of easy for you to say, Bill, in your 230-acre place in Washington.
Hmm, but I guess he did.
He had made a prediction about like years ago.
He said, Disease is what's going to kill a bunch of people coming up.
So he said, If a pandemic hits, it's going to be bad.
You know, and that's kind of, I guess it was always in the cards.
I think the weird thing about this one is there's you're not seeing it yet as right now.
It still feels like one of the flus and things we've seen in the past.
So everybody's waiting to see what's going to happen.
We're scared.
Let you know.
Yeah.
I have nothing to say about Bill Gates.
Well, he gave us every time you'd say, I have nothing to say, I'm going to throw something at you.
Do it.
Throw it at me.
I don't really have anything.
This is just coffee in it.
I didn't think you're going to throw a topic at me.
Oh, no, I was going to throw a physical object.
Object at you.
You know, I always tell my kids I'm going to throw them out the window.
Oh, yeah.
Because from Napoleon Dynamite.
I'm going to rip your ear off.
Really?
That's your thing?
I think in Napoleon Dynamite, the uncle says, I'll be throwing you out the window.
I'll tell you what, or something like that.
And so I just kind of adopted it.
And now I'm going to throw you out the window.
And I always get worried that some social worker at some point will talk to them for whatever reason.
And they're like, so did your parents ever threaten to you, threatened you?
Well, he's always telling us he's going to throw us out the window.
My brother, I don't even know how he just started telling this girl just jokingly that my mom would make him sleep in the doghouse.
So the little girl told her teacher, this is when he's like really young, like a little kid.
And so a child services person showed up at my mom's door one day.
Like, we hear that you are making your child sleep in the doghouse.
I guess she just laughed genuinely enough when they said that that they realized it was not real.
We had a family friend who would take her vitamins in the morning, you know, the big handful of all these vitamins.
And she would tell her kids, got to take my drugs.
And she would, and then the, you know, they were at school or whatever, and they're talking about, you know, don't do drugs.
And have your parents ever, you know, encouraged you to take drugs, do your drugs.
And the little girl's like, my mom takes a bunch of drugs every morning.
And she starts telling them, oh, yeah, she takes like 20 pills, different drugs.
So, Bill Gates, you know, I don't know.
I'm a Windows guy.
I use Windows.
I like to build my own computers typically.
Yeah, I got converted to that too.
It's just and I'm not a nerd, but a lot easier.
My IT friend is like, build your own computer.
Like, I can't do that.
And you know, people always explain it to me.
It's like really easy.
People always talking about like, you know, Apple's better with this and that.
But then I'll actually go look, like, oh, maybe that's interesting.
And I'll go look at the prices.
And I'm like, it will cost me three times as much to get an apple.
And I go, is this three times as good?
I don't know.
I had a unique experience when I worked at this telescope company as the ad or the graphics guy.
And I can't remember why they told me, what do you need?
And so I ended up getting a corner desk that had a nice Apple computer and a nice Windows computer.
Because I had, I think I had different files that I supposedly needed to open.
Anyway, so I had that experience of being able to use both and like try out all the programs I use on both.
And I really just came down to liking the Windows one more.
Sure.
Yeah.
I do think that you get people that get into the Apple cult get into it really deep.
Yeah.
It's definitely a cult.
But it's the customizable, just I don't know, it doesn't feel as like you're forced into a certain way.
With Apple, you feel like you're forced into their little world.
Yeah, it's their ecosystem, their way of doing things.
It was really the compatibility issues that drove me crazy because just so many things I got didn't work compatible.
And maybe that was, I mean, that's a while back.
And they do it on purpose because they want to lock you into the apple thing.
Drives me bananas.
Yeah.
Evil.
Evil apple.
All right.
Well, we've thoroughly explained everything that's wrong with Bill Gates and his predictions, I guess.
Have we?
No, not really.
But I am done talking about this.
I don't care anymore.
So let's talk about something that's much more uplifting.
Okay.
Let's talk about the resurrection.
Let's do it.
And now, the Babylon Bees topic of the week.
Well, everybody, this is a very strange year because everybody's about to have Easter alone, separately, in their own homes.
Yeah.
That feels very weird.
Whether you go to church or not, you might celebrate Easter and you might have a big dinner.
And it's weird to not go to church on Easter and to not go get together with family with a nice ham.
Oh, I have a ham.
We're going to do the ham too, but alone, you know.
Yeah, I don't know.
What are you going to do Easter morning?
Are you just going to watch your church's service on your...
I guess.
What else are we supposed to do?
I haven't been crazy about what our church is doing.
So I attempted to do a little just like during dinner.
I did like a little, I read a few verses and just talked about Palm Sunday.
But it was like, it went over like when I worked on Veggie Tales, you could feel the oxygen go out of the room, like just the life of the show, just like the momentum just die the moment the characters pulled out a Bible verse and started talking about it.
Like, sounds super.
But only to say that it's, it's not natural.
It's suddenly like, hey, by the way, in the Bible, it says this, and then started talking about it.
It's that very wooden way.
Very wooden.
I tried my hardest.
I tied it into some Chesterton, read them a little bit of my favorite Chesterton essay, and it was clearly like just, they were just waiting for me to shut up so they could like get, you know, whatever.
I did my best.
I did my best.
I did something.
You know, they'll remember that.
But, but, yeah.
I think for me, the home church thing is really hard for me because I never liked that when I was a kid.
My dad would try doing that all the time, read the Bible to us or try to tell us, make us sit in the dad will tell you, we'll do a little preaching or something.
And I remember hating it.
So maybe that's like a personal issue.
I have good memories of that.
See?
I need that.
I need those good memories.
My dad would read to us, and he had like three different Bible stories that he loved.
And he would always just cycle through those.
It was like Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.
Did he tell them in his own way, or did he just read it?
He would read it, but he would do like the funny voices and the pronunciations and maybe put our names in there sometimes.
There were three people, Kyle, Ryan, and Karis.
You know, to change it from Shadrach and Meshach.
They were like, hey, that's my name.
So I don't know.
I have good memories of that.
That's good.
But I don't know.
Maybe at the time I was, I'm bored, you know.
But it's something that sticks with you also.
Anyway, we wanted to talk a little bit about the resurrection and what it means.
It's interesting as Christians.
It is bizarre when you think about it that we are gathered like here.
We are working out as Christian sat there, so we're friends and we're do what we do.
And if you're a Christian, you have Christian friends and family, you go to church because you believe that this guy died and walked out of that grave three days later and then bodily and then ascended into heaven.
And it's just such a strange thing to me that in the modern age to be like, I believe this guy came back to life.
Yeah.
And that has changed my entire life.
It's bizarre.
I know.
And when we're talking about this, I feel wholly unqualified to talk about it.
Yeah, well.
But I think even just as a human, we are qualified to even try to comprehend it.
But uh, so that's one reason I struggled with even talking about it.
Like, I, I'm always amazed with theologians that feel like they can really grasp it because I have a tough time really grasping onto it all.
I guess I feel like modern Christianity has de-emphasized the resurrection.
Maybe we always want to be cool.
You know, it's like, hey, we're Christians.
We're hip.
We're in the modern conversations.
We're impacting culture.
We're having discussions with neighbors.
Yeah.
A conversation.
We have conversation.
And we want to make our faith seem down to earth and reasonable.
And we have all the arguments.
And it's like, ultimately, we believe a guy came back to life historically.
There's some wonder in there, I guess, for me, that that is what changes our lives, that this guy came back to life.
That was the God-man.
Yeah, and I guess it shows that God is both fully like it's that's the Chesterton always talks about paradoxes, but that you know he's both fully of this world and fully of outside of it that he can pass in and out
It is interesting and to think about what would that look like, assuming that, if we had never seen Christianity, if we were just to try to figure out what would that look like if a human being, if God, became a human being?
yeah and that's the one of the wildest things to me about the whole story and i think one thing that has always kept me in christianity is the story just doesn't go the way that humans write stories you know like uh the king that was expected when on palm sunday when christ was riding in the donkey they were everybody celebrating because they were thinking it's going to be like the next king david again you know a powerful ruler and uh the whole idea of just the humility of christ dying on the cross
all that stuff it doesn't make sense to.
It's just not a human way of thinking and humility is not a like.
There's a lot of things that are now virtues because Christ, because of Christ humility, right forgiveness, and I think that's the most powerful thing to me about the Christian faith is that both forgiveness and sin have are equally powerful and serious.
In almost every philosophy that you look at, they emphasize one and de-emphasize the other.
Almost every religion it's either you're punished and your punishment is really the focus, or forgiveness and waive the punishment.
You know it's about.
It's all about just, you know, being nice and being hippie-ish.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
And we have a sense of justice and balance.
Yeah, they balance both, like right.
Sin is ultimately so horrible that God had to come, but forgiveness is also equally has that power.
It's not we don't de-emphasize either.
We don't ignore sin to have forgiveness anyway.
I'm getting off track, but off track is the best place to be in this podcast.
It's good, at least I'm talking.
I was afraid I wasn't going to talk at all.
Well, you know, our Christian audience has heard all the sermons about the Resurrection, all the stories about all the Easter stories.
So, I just kind of want to bask a little bit in the wonder and the paradox of what happened.
I do think that modern Christianity de-emphasizes the resurrection and specifically what it accomplishes in the sense that we will be bodily resurrected one day and we will live in a new earth.
We will live on a new earth in new bodies.
And I wonder if a lot of theological errors have come about because we kind of think of Christ's resurrection as this: well, he died, but then he came back, and that's you know, and then he went back to heaven.
We were talking earlier about the song, Lord, I lift your name on high, where it says that he went from the cross to the grave and from the grave to the sky.
It's like totally misses the whole entire point of the gospel is that he came back bodily.
I always think they just didn't have enough space.
Well, sure, they have to do a whole nother.
Okay, so heaven earth, show the way, yeah.
Anyway, I am sure you came out and you met Thomas, and he touched your thing, and then you got to talk a bunch, and then there's a bunch of late.
I am sure whoever wrote it has a very solid theology of the resurrection.
That's not my point.
It's artistic license, that's also heresy, so you know, dang, but then like, but I wonder how much of like this idea that we can't enjoy earthly pleasures or like you know, that this legalism of you know, the body is bad, which was also a heresy they struggled with in New Testament times.
You know, the flesh is evil, and we must deny that.
It comes from this idea that we don't, we don't understand the resurrection, we don't understand what happened there, and that God had an earthly body and still does.
God the Son still has an earthly body, and like that, that's well, a glorified body, but that's like so insane to my mind, you know, that God has given us the body as a gift and He has given us all the experiences and the senses that we can enjoy, you know.
So, I don't know, I think there are a lot of theological errors that come about because of it.
When I was in college, when I was in Bible college, I went to an evangelism class, and there were like six people in there.
And on the first day of the class, maybe second day of the class, they had everybody prepare a gospel presentation.
And we're all like freshmen, we're all new coming into this.
But everybody had kind of grown up as a Christian, and so everybody gives their basic gospel presentation: you know, well, you're a sinner, and you need Jesus, and he died for you.
And all six of the presentations left out the resurrection, which is just bizarre, right?
Biblically solid college kids that grew up reading the Bible and knowing all about it, and you leave out the resurrection because you don't, it's not something that's real to us.
I guess as a kid, I always felt like it was an afterthought.
Yeah, like you like if when you're presenting the gospel, it's Jesus died for you, Jesus died for you, Jesus died for you.
Well, Jesus also rose for you, but we never think about that.
We never think about that, is what jump-started the Christian faith.
I wonder if that's a lot of that's tied into the Christianity as a religion, or it's a relationship, not a religion, bro.
Because we think about uh we're thinking about what Jesus did for me makes me talking about you know, oh, thank you, you died for me.
That's so romantic.
It has that like has that you know, because a lot of the especially songs from like the 80s and 90s in worship, a lot of them sounded almost indiscernible from love songs, human love songs.
I don't wonder if a lot of that emphasis comes from that period or not.
Yeah, I remember the cross was the big thing: Jesus died for you.
Yeah, that's the phrase, right?
That's the gospel back then.
And I always had trouble with C.S. Lewis talks about it a bit in Mere Christianity, but people that would get really emotional about that.
And I was always like, which I don't know if this makes you sound super negative, but like God.
And he talks about the God is the only one who actually could do that.
And like he, I guess it's just that I can't really wrap my head around it.
But like he makes the analogy that he has to be in a place of above us to be able to do that.
To save a drowning man, you have to be up on the shore.
You had to stay up by the teacher and the student or something.
I think he talks about that.
Yeah.
I mean, I know I'm not doing this very well, but this part.
But yeah, so I guess I just emotionally getting ahead of like, if you're God of the universe, which I already can't comprehend, it's hard for me to put my head in that head to think like, what is that like?
And it's either beyond my comprehension horrible or beyond my comprehension, like superpower.
Like, I don't know.
Does that make sense?
Sure.
Like, I guess I feel like people almost too easily sympathize with Jesus on the cross where I feel like in my head, I'm like, I don't know how I could even know what that is like to be that, to be there.
Because it's a different existence.
And if I was on a cross, it'd be completely different than what Jesus was doing and going through.
I know that part of it was what I would be going through because he was being a man, but he's also fully God.
So, like, if you knew that you were going to resurrect, would you be like a lot more on board with going on a cross?
I don't know.
Well, I think we've done the cross a disservice by having an anemic understanding of what Jesus, what Jesus' life was like and his humanity, especially we definitely de-emphasize his humanity because that's what's drilled into our heads.
It's Jesus is God, Jesus is God, Jesus is God.
Well, he's also 100% man.
Yeah.
And so I think his daily life would have been very much like our daily lives.
His suffering would be very much like our suffering.
The difference is he surrendered himself to God every step of the way.
And I mean, yeah, you talk about the cross.
Like, I would have no, I mean, I have no idea.
I have no frame of reference for that.
Yeah.
Not even just physical suffering, but the spiritual suffering, like that God's wrath was being poured out on him.
Like, I never want to know what that's like.
Yeah.
Never would be able to know what that's like, apart from hell.
So for somebody who's listening to this who is not a Christian or is a big doubter or maybe they've always struggled with this, what are some of the reasons we believe this?
Because it is one of the crazier things to believe in the Christian faith.
The resurrection and then the idea that we're going to resurrect.
Yeah, and I mean, it's central.
Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 says, if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.
And he says, we are to be pitied most of all men because if Jesus was not raised.
So why do we believe that?
You know, basically, if Jesus wasn't raised, then he was just a teacher teaching stuff.
But everything he taught was, it wasn't like platitudes and morals.
Right.
Jesus was a good teacher.
He was a.
Yeah.
You can't just take Jesus and go like you turn him into Confucius or something.
You talk about like Pascal's wager where he says that, you know, well, even if there isn't a God, you should just.
It's like game theory.
Well, you just, it's the better bet that there's a God.
So just do that.
Just go along with it.
That's very much the opposite of what Paul says.
Actually, you're wasting your entire life if Christ has not been raised, if the resurrection is not true.
I don't know.
I guess I went through a period in high school.
We've talked about before in like the apologetics episodes where I had to find all these answers for the resurrection.
I found a lot of resources helpful.
I liked the case for Christ a lot.
I think that was helpful.
More than a carpenter's thin version of Josh McDowell's evidence that demands a verdict.
That was one of the early ones back in the 60s or 70s, I think?
Big thick book.
I know that N.T. Wright wrote a massive book on the resurrection and tons of stuff about the evidence and stuff.
I thought he was more than theological stuff.
Yeah, it was more theological too, but there was, I remember, because I didn't get through the whole book earlier in the book.
The first part of it was like a lot of about how do we know or how do we, at least in my memory, it's been a long time since I read it, but how do we even know it happened kind of stuff?
And if you guys don't like N.T. Wright, just call him N.T. Wrong.
Oh, is he bad?
Some people don't like it.
I don't know.
I guess every writer or theologian has their.
I feel like he overstates his case sometimes.
He sounds really smart when he talks, which I always doubt people like that.
Yeah, because he always argues against like modern evangelicalism believes this.
But actually, we've forgotten this element of justification.
And then people go, but then he argues it too far and you go, he takes his case way over here.
And you're like, I'm like, I appreciate the perspective you're bringing.
But I think that doesn't mean we need to throw out this part of it.
So anyway, that's that's that's a side side note.
Side note.
So I don't know.
I guess in that journey for me, there's all these arguments.
The empty tomb.
I mean, obviously, Christianity is a completely falsifiable religion, right?
Because if you can produce the body, there's especially back then when it would have been readily available to find.
Yeah.
You produce the body and there's no Christian.
Yeah.
And how powerful it would be to have that.
It seems like they would, if they did have the body, seems like they would have done something with it.
Like there'd be some evidence that the body was around it.
Maybe not the actual body, but yeah, or you'd think the whole movement, the whole movement would have been stamped out by then, right?
Which is what happens when most religions and cults and stuff happen.
You kill their leader.
It's just over.
Sure.
Or somebody new comes in as the new head of it, like a new cult leader.
Right.
There's also prophecy, which I don't know all of them, but I know that before nailing people to crosses was even a thing, there was a prediction that he would be, I believe it would be pierced to his hands and feet.
And then the fact that I believe culturally, if they were making this up, they would never have made women be the first people for Christ.
That's an interesting point that they pick women.
Yeah, that women were the first people.
You're going to make up.
What would be the equivalent in our culture?
Well, my understanding is that they're as eyewitnesses or whatever, they weren't even trusted.
Culturally, it was like, you wouldn't want to bet on women telling, you know.
I'm trying to think in our culture, if we were trying to make up a story, it'd be like picking like convicts or something and being like, hey, these guys said it's mime circus clowns.
Alex Jones.
Alex Jones saw the guy get resurrection.
Yeah, Alex Jones.
And you go.
It's like, if you're going to make it make sure you're going to pick up somebody.
What happened happened?
Or, yeah, but if you're going to make it up, you're going to find there's going to be a bunch of scientists standing out there who can confirm or something.
Yeah, and this goes more broadly into the writing of the Gospels and the veracity in the New Testament stuff, but just that everybody is so flawed in both the Old Testament and the New Testament that you look at this and you go, if you're going to make up this romanticized version of what happened, you're not going to write that Peter, you know, especially when Peter's like relaying the story maybe that Mark wrote down.
You're not going to include the part about how you denied Jesus, about how this little girl came up and you go, oh, I don't know Jesus.
Yeah.
Like if I'm going to retell the story or I'm going to make up, I'm going to be like, you know, let's leave that part out.
So there is kind of this feeling of truth about it because of that.
Yeah, and another big one is that all of Christ's disciples, besides, well, I guess Judas died a horrible death too, but different.
But that they all were martyred.
And usually, if something's a lie or something you made up, you're not going to let yourself be killed over it.
Yeah, I've always struggled with that argument a little bit just because people die for lies a lot.
It's true.
It's true.
And you'd also have to say, like, Joseph Smith of Mormonism.
I mean, he also got shot.
But it wasn't like a deny your, it was, it wasn't like deny Mormonism or we'll live.
They were in like a shootout over some other.
Yeah, I think it was like a jail break and there was some kind of shootout at the okay chorale type stuff.
It's different.
It's different.
Acknowledge, but I'm just saying that there are limitations to the argument.
Sometimes people will.
It's not that it's like the one argument that's going to turn you.
It's just that it's another piece of the pie.
Yeah, but it's evidence against the idea that it's made up.
Yeah, and I guess you also look at the solidarity.
Like all of them are sticking to this lie for decades.
Right.
Yeah, that makes it unique.
Because you might have one guy die for a thing, but like to have all 12 of them or 11, you know, that's definitely unique anyway.
It doesn't prove it, but I always hold that God made things unprovable.
Like he didn't.
He wants us to choose to believe.
And that's what I find fascinating all these things.
They're always right up to that line of like, you know, you can take it or leave it, but it's not going to, it's not a hammer to beat you over the head and force you to believe.
If God was like, a lot of people, that's something I tried to go into with my kids.
Like, we have our expectation of what God's going to do, what he's going to be like.
You know, people saw Christ coming on the donkey and their idea of what a king should be and what a good ruler.
So we have our idea of what, you know, if you don't believe in God, you think, well, if there was a God, he'd be like this.
And it's often, you know, somebody that you would be able to perceive with your senses or just something where if God existed in such a way that like we couldn't deny that he was right there, could see him and feel him and touch him and stuff, we wouldn't really have a choice in believing.
And if that's where we're supposed to be at, or we have to make those choices, then I don't know.
I just find it fascinating that the world seems set up that way.
Yeah.
It's not an easy.
We're not forced and it's not an easy answer, I guess.
I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, I think it's obvious and evident, but I think at the same point, there is that final step of, okay, I've seen all this.
Now what am I going to do with it?
Like I always go back to the garden and the tree is right there, but like he gets he starts man off with a choice.
Though I don't know, am I messing up with your Calvinism?
No, yeah, you're in line with Calvinism.
I'm going to be destroying it.
Yeah.
Yeah, you're good.
We believe in choice.
Weird.
Just that our choice is tainted by sin.
I mean, ultimately, I believe in the resurrection because the word of God and the Holy Spirit changed my heart to believe in the resurrection.
Like, ultimately, apart from that, I wouldn't.
I mean, I think there's that element of mystery that we have to preserve and say, yeah, there's all this evidence.
And if you want to spend the time to go out and look, there's a lot of great resources.
But at the same time, I believe because God opened my eyes to see that.
That's just an act of grace and mercy on his part.
And I believe because my life changed.
Yeah, ultimately for me, that's what it comes down to when it comes to my faith.
I mean, there's all these arguments that I can present, but I didn't come to my faith through all those arguments.
I came to it through an experience that every time I've tried to run from it, I can't get away.
It's like there's a presence in my life that I can't escape now.
And even when I've tried to get over logical about it or whatever, I mean, to me, this world presents a lot of things as science and as logic.
That when you really get to the bottom of it, it's crazy too.
You know, in the beginning, there's nothing and it exploded.
Whatever the story is that we're fed, it's pretty crazy when you really think about the idea that rocks are floating in space.
And at some point along the line, they started to think.
It doesn't make any sense.
It's just bizarre to think that that happened.
That's as weird and as wild as the idea of resurrecting.
It's actually weirder because no life had ever existed.
My only point is to say that I guess all our choices include weird backstories.
Yeah, we all got to pick something.
You got to pick some weird backstory.
Someone within at some point.
But anyway, I think the resurrection gives us hope, and that's the ultimate effect that it has on us.
I mean, it changes our lives.
It gives us the hope that one day we will have resurrected bodies as Christ has a glorified and resurrected body.
And I always use the analogy that my kids, when they're scared, there's a dark closet and there's scary stuff in there.
And really, the only way you can convince them that it's not scary, and it's not death in there, is to go in there.
And you go in there and you shine the light around you.
You're like, see, I'm in here.
It's fine.
And I think that's, in a lot of ways, that's what the resurrection does for us.
I mean, think about all the human beings, the millions and billions of human beings that have to be scared by death, you know, since mankind was created.
It's like that's been the one question.
That's been the one thing we've never been able to come back from.
And then Christ comes and he goes in and he comes back and he's like, boom, mic drop.
Yeah.
That's the new living translation.
He's victorious over it.
It's like, hey, follow me.
Wow, that's giving me goosebumps.
But yeah.
So I guess, you know, just marvel in the beautiful, mysterious, wonderful paradox of the resurrection, even though you're by yourself in your house this year.
Yeah.
Eat some ham and do some Easter bunny unless you're unless that's a pig in your house.
I don't know.
Without Christ, we wouldn't be able to eat ham, right?
That's true.
So because of that great passage where they show Peter the bacon.
Hey, this is okay to eat, Peter.
Yeah.
Eat the bacon.
Eat the bacon.
Eat the bacon, Peter.
I imagine like an angel that looks like Nick Offerman or whatever his name is on that show.
Ron Swanson.
Ron Swanson.
Ron Swanson wings.
Hey.
Have bacon.
It's good.
Eat all the eggs and bacon that you have.
All right, let's do.
You know what?
We're going to do, we're not going to do hate mail because we're too happy right now.
We're jazzed on the resurrection.
So we're going to do love mail.
Love mail, baby.
Man, that's a rich, deep voice.
It's like mashed potatoes in my ear.
It rumbled my guts.
All right, this is from one of our listeners named Sarah or Sarai.
Sarai?
Okay.
Soraya.
And she's written this with E.
I think Soriah is like a middle name.
Saria.
Oh, Saraya.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Like Isaiah.
Soria.
Saria.
Saraya.
Soraya.
So Saraya, sorry if we're screwing up your name here, but oh, actually, maybe her first name is there.
Yeah, it's E, right?
Yeah.
But now I don't want to say it because now I've said it.
Anyway, all right.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
So thanks for writing us.
And she gave us this thing that's full of emojis.
Yeah, it's very emoji-loaded.
And as a guy who doesn't use a ton of emojis, I am.
You use more than people I ever knew.
Like, when I met you and Adam, you guys used way more emojis than any of my other friends.
I started to get into them recently.
I got on board with you guys.
I gave in a little recently.
I gave in, yeah.
But so here we go.
Waving emoji, guys.
Hi, guys.
Hi, guys.
First of all, I flower emoji.
Bed emoji.
Flower bed.
Flowerbedding.
I flowerbedding love emoji.
The Babylon.
Looks like an airplane.
Oh, it's a B. Is that a B?
The Babylon B. You guys are the number one.
When it comes to not.
Number two.
What's that?
Speaking?
Speaking.
Saying bad words.
There's a guy talking with lines coming out of his mouth and there's a person swearing.
Bleeped out.
When it comes to not saying bad words, which is really great, GR8.
Number eight.
Because who needs to hear cuss.
Hear bad words.
Hear bad words when we can hear dolph.
Dolphins and flowerbeds.
Oh, because dolphin is one of our swear words.
Oh, is it?
Yeah.
Dolphins.
And flowerbeds.
So much more edifying.
But I only gave you four stars because it's very triggering.
Why is there no gun emoji?
They took it off when there used to be one.
Remember?
It's like Super Soaker now.
I don't even know if that's there now.
Oh, really?
Yeah, it's like, I tried to find a gun the other day.
It's not crazy to me.
Like, it's just a two-page.
It's got a way to hack it into, like, can we get emojis that are hacked to another company that we can have our own emojis?
I want like swords and everything.
Don't cars kill more people than guns?
Like, why is there a car emoji?
Why is there no gun emoji that you keep glasses, book, Apple?
What?
Keep reading Apple reviews?
I guess the glasses are like looking at the book, like reading Apple reviews when the poor face who has Google Play podcasts can't leave you a single speech bubble.
Speech dialogue balloon.
Comment.
Review?
Yeah, review.
I know it's not your fault.
Oh, you're reading still, Clara.
I guess this isn't really love mail, is it?
Yeah.
It's not really that love mail.
I know it's not your fault, but can you at least recognize us poor minorities?
Sad face again.
Thanks.
You're great.
T-H-X.
T-H-X-U-R-G-R-8.
Lovey face.
Get with it.
Well, we are on.
Aren't we on Google Play podcasts?
I think we're on there.
I did all the work it does on everything in the beginning.
Maybe they don't have.
But maybe because we don't read from those ones?
That you keep reading Apple reviews when the poor savvy who has Google Pods can't leave you.
Maybe you can't leave reviews.
Maybe you can't leave reviews on Google Podcasts.
Well, you can leave reviews on Apple even if you don't listen to us on Apple.
Just go to iTunes and just leave a review.
That's true.
I always had a tough time figuring out Google Play podcasts.
I have the app, I think.
Maybe I don't.
Yeah, I would try to find us on there.
I know that I submitted everything.
It's kind of a weird side thing.
Yeah, maybe if you do it through your Google phone or whatever.
What is that, Android?
Yeah, you've actually got to go download.
You've actually got to go download the podcast app.
Sorry, Saraya.
Yeah, iTunes is just kind of the standard.
It helps us.
A lot of people, even if they don't listen to a podcast, if they're checking it out, that's just a number that, especially if we want to get an interview or people, flaunt some numbers.
It helps to have that large amount of reviews.
And this is either the most loving hate mail that we've ever had or the most hateful love mail we've ever had.
And I don't know which.
There's love in there.
All right, well, we're going to move on to our subscriber portion.
So, everybody else, thanks for listening and eat some good ham.
Indeed.
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And then they start singing like Stained.
Your house is clear.
It's time to smog the house, so you have to leave for about a week.