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Full Alex Jones / Nick Fuentes Debate Should American Patriots Abandon Trump Over His Handling of The Epstein Files?

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unidentified		23, four days ago, Trump put out that Justice Department memo.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I said, Trump's behind it.
		People said, oh, you're attacking Trump.
		And then he came out later and said, no, it's me.
		Don't ask questions.
		Shut up about it.
		And I said, this is incredibly suspicious.
		And now they're running around with the Justice Department meet with Gislane Maxwell.
		It looks bad.
		But people taking what I've said out of context when I'm wargaming this, because I think they would have used information against Trump if they had it before.
		With that said now, the jury's out on Trump.
		The jury's in on the Democrats and Epstein Island and Bill Gates and Larry Summers and all the rest of it.
		So I'm not an apologist for Trump.
		All I get is persecuted and attacked for supporting President Trump.
		And I've seen clips of Nick.
		I played it earlier before he came on.
		And I'm not saying it's a wrong critique, but out of context, you could see it.
		No, I'm looking for the truth.
		And my issue is, do we throw out Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Tulsi Cabard and all the good things that are happening?
		If stuff comes out that he's screwing kids with Trump, of course, I'm going to expose it.
		I mean, I'm not tied to that wagon.
		But in the larger issue, is the Epstein issue the only issue?
		And it's not like Nick Fuentez just came out and said, I'm against Trump now.
		He said it a year and a half ago.
		He was a big supporter early on.
		So I met him nine years ago.
		And I think Nick's a smart guy.
		I agree with most of the things he says.
		I disagree with Trump.
		So we are having a large discussion.
		You call it a debate here.
		But I want to be 100% clear.
		I will go where the facts lead.
		I'm not an apologist for Trump.
		But at the same time, we need to recognize that the Democrats and the ADL and the Republicans joining him do not want this discussion.
		They do not want Nick Jay Fuentez on Rumble.
		They do not want Alex Jones on X or Infowars.
		They do not like this tonight because they don't want you to hear a real unfiltered discussion.
		Because I sent Nick a text like last Tuesday and said, will you come on debate?
		He said, yeah, how about next Wednesday night?
		I said, great, we're doing it.
		That's the only discussions we've had.
		All right.
		And so this isn't some scripted debate.
		This is a real discussion.
		And it's not about who's smarter.
		And it's not about, I don't mind all that stuff.
		Nick's 26 years old, super smart.
		I thought he was smart when I first met him nine years ago.
		That's why I have Nick on.
		He's a great interview.
		He's great for the show.
		I've got a big show.
		He's a big show.
		It's not about personalities.
		To me, it's about really figuring out what's happening.
		But to open the debate, and I'll give the floor for the next 10 minutes, I want to be clear.
		If you actually watch my show, I'm not running defense for Trump.
		I don't know what the truth is.
		I'm completely freaked out.
		I've said Trump's acting insanely guilty.
		And I've only wargamed every angle of this trying to figure out what's going on because I do a four-hour show and the Democrats ran stuff nationwide saying I've turned on Trump 23 days ago.
		I don't care about being on CNN and ABC and NPR and every other channel.
		Those people don't listen to me anyways.
		But they take little 10-second clips out of context.
	I know they do that.
	I just don't want Nick and my viewers to do that.
	I want you to listen to what I'm actually saying.
	Clearly, Epstein's massage.
	The CIA has asked Trump to cover it up.
	I think that's no-brainer.
	The question is, is Trump involved?
	If he was, where is the evidence?
	So I haven't figured this out yet.
	And all I'm doing is stream of consciousness.
	What you get on my show is what I'm thinking.
	No scripting, no nothing.
	And usually my job's easy.
	Is fentanyl good?
	No.
	Is open borders good?
unidentified		No.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Is war with Russia good?
		No.
		Is there available attack on Iran?
		No.
		My job, 95% of the time, is very easy.
		It's these type of issues where I can tell the listeners I don't know.
		So, Nick, you've got the floor to say whatever you want here.
		I'm going to shut up for about 10 minutes because I've been talking for about five.
		And then I'm going to ask you the question after that.
		Maybe you can address it now.
		Okay, we can send Trump to Mars.
		What comes next?
		Is this accelerationism?
		If Kamala was there, would that be better?
		Maybe it would because it pisses off more.
		I just don't know.
		So this is one of the few issues where I will tell listeners, I don't know.
		And all I can do is wargame each scenario.
		And I would just ask people to realize, if you see a 30-second club, actually go see what I said because I will then say something completely different because I'm wargaming and don't know.
		So Nick is simulcast on Rumble, Nick J. Fuentes and on X. Great to have you, Nick.
		Thank you so much for the time.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Alex, great to be with you.
		Yes, well, you know, we did promote this as a debate and we hyped it up and everything, but I agree with you.
		I think it is more fruitful as a discussion because like you, I think me and the audience, we're trying to get to the truth.
		We want to know what is really going on here.
		And I also agree with you that we don't know.
		That's sort of the nature of it.
		That's why people have a problem.
		We just don't know because the government is not releasing the files.
		And this Epstein scandal has been like many of the other scandals concerning the deepest and most sordid types of corruption.
		It's concealed.
		It's hidden.
		There is not government transparency.
		And without transparency, there can't be accountability.
		And so all of this is happening inside of the shadows.
		Now, that gets to my biggest criticism of Trump.
		And, you know, you said this a moment ago, and I understand where you're coming from.
		You say, are there other issues besides the Epstein issue?
		I've heard a lot of people say this.
		They say that for the MAGA base, which I consider myself a part of, even though I didn't vote for Trump on the demographic, if the MAGA base is in revolt over the Epstein files, people say, are you throwing out the baby with the bathwater?
		What about The secure border?
		What about the progress that's being made, as you say, by RFK Jr., by Tulsi Gabbard, the good things that are happening at the administration?
		Is it worth it?
		In other words, people say if he's failing on one narrow issue like Epstein, which people say realistically doesn't actually affect people's daily lives, they say, is that a mistake?
		Now, my position is that you can't compartmentalize these issues.
		Contrary to that take or that defense, I don't think you're capable.
		I don't think it's possible to separate and cordon off the Epstein issue and say that's over here and immigration and foreign policy and the rest of it is over there.
		Because the proposition of the first Trump campaign going back 10 years ago in 2016, or even in 2015, when Trump ran in the primary, he said that the reason that our politicians had failed us over 30 years on both sides, Republican side, Democrat side, the right and the left, he said is not for a lack of trying, not for lack of will.
		He said it's because the system has failed us.
		It's because of corruption.
		They can't deliver a real victory because they're not beholden to the people.
		Instead, they're beholden to foreign interests, special interests, donors, political PACs.
		And there was a suggestion of blackmail.
		There's a suggestion of a shadow operation happening behind the scenes.
		So why do we get these policies that are bad for America, like free trade, foreign wars, mass migration?
		They said, well, it's because the politicians are not really the ones running the country.
		They're not running the country on behalf of the voters or the people, but rather they're being controlled by the money or the intelligence agencies or by some shadow element, the nature of which we don't fully understand.
		Now, he said, in contravention of all of this, I will run and I will deliver the real victories.
		I will reverse all the policies because I'm not controlled by those interests.
		And there was this foil with him and Hillary Clinton.
		Hillary Clinton personified that system.
		And she did come from the Democrat side, but she personified realistically both sides, the Bush dynasty, the Clinton dynasty, the Republicans, the Democrats, the Dennis Hasterts, and the Bill Clintons.
		Hillary Clinton was the epitome of corruption and the epitome of globalism.
		And so at 16, you have this proposition of, I'm going to run with no foreign influence, no blackmail.
		I'm going to fight the corruption and then deliver the victory.
		Now, fast forward 10 years later, and Trump seems to be covering up what is really the scandal of all scandals.
		It's the worst kind of scandal.
		It's got every negative attribute involved.
		It's children.
		It's sexual trafficking.
		It's blackmail.
		It's foreign intelligence.
		It's billionaire oligarchs.
		And you say, if Trump is covering that up, we lose faith in him.
		He loses all credibility as that leader, as that Caesar-like leader, this once-in-a-generation figure leading a once-in-a-generation populist movement.
		It strips it of that character.
		And to get a lot, maybe a lot of this is rhetoric.
		Let's make it more concrete.
		If Trump is burying the Epstein files, which we don't know the information because that's exactly what's happening.
		And we'll get into that, I'm sure, as the night progresses.
		But if Trump is burying these Epstein files and we can't trust him, it leads to questions like, why are we not getting mass deportations?
		Why are we getting a war with Iran?
		The timing of all this is a little conspicuous too.
		Is it because there's maybe more to the story?
		Do we have to draw a negative inference that he's covering these things up because he's named in them, because he's a participant in them?
	He's compromised by them in some way.
	Is that why we're not getting what's delivered?
	And how can we trust that he will deliver in the future?
	So to answer maybe the big defense of Trump, and I agree with you, we have to steel man the other position.
	We may not even agree with it.
	We might state it simply to entertain it.
	If the pro-Trump side is saying, if their argument is, well, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
	The Epstein thing is a narrow, singular issue.
	If that's the primary defense, I would have to say it's not good enough because if he's named in these files, then everything is compromised.
	Everything is touched and poisoned by the corruption.
	And when this cover-up is going on, unfortunately, we cannot assume that he is not touched by it.
	We actually have to draw a negative inference.
	That's sort of the whole point.
	And I, like you, I actually don't believe that Trump is necessarily guilty.
	I think that is a assumption.
	I think that's an inference.
	I don't even think it's necessarily true that Trump was on the island or that Trump was raping kids or that there's a videotape of Trump.
	I don't think that's even likely.
	But when he has covered it up in the way that he has, and as he's dug this hole deeper and deeper, having the DOJ cover it up, asking the FBI to look for his name, they told him his name was in there.
	Now he says his name was planted in there.
	He says the whole thing's a hoax.
	You actually have to draw a negative inference and assume if he's covering it up, there must be something there.
	If there wasn't something there, they would release the files.
	And so that's why I think this entire thing has disqualified him completely.
	I don't think it's one narrow issue, a singular issue among others.
	And even if it were, it's not a minimal issue.
	I think it touches everything.
	And I think the very nature of these types of cover-ups, the nature of the opacity, the fact that it's opaque, the fact that we cannot see through it, the fact that it's been covered up and there's been a deception, there's been an active cover-up, an attempt to change the subject and lie about the nature of it.
	We actually have to draw a negative inference and we actually have to assume that there is something damning in there.
	That's why we're not getting it.
	And if that's the case, then that means he's corrupt and he's in on it with the rest of them.
	Now, I want to answer the question you said at the end because that's actually super important.
	And I'll sort of treat this like an opening statement.
	I don't want to ramble on and on and on.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You got like three or four minutes left.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Keep going.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Well, and to your point about what comes next, because that's a very good question.
		A lot of people wonder if Trump is failing, or that's the perception on many of these issues, like the foreign policy, like immigration, like the Epstein cover-up.
		Question is, well, what comes next?
		Are we at the mercy of the left now?
		Are we supposed to now just be buried under Zoron Mandanis and Kamala Harris's and race communists and Sharia law and this sort of Thing.
		What I would say about Trump is this simple adage: when you come at the king, you can't miss.
		And what does that mean?
		Obviously, we all understand what that means.
		It means that when you come for the king, you have to finish the job.
		You cannot take half measures.
		It's actually worse to take a half measure because if you come at the king and you miss, all you do is make the king mad.
		And the king has an army and the king has power.
		So if Trump, and when I say the king, of course, I'm not even referring to Trump.
		I'm referring to this left-wing political system.
		If Trump has been coming at the king for 10 years with the 16 campaign, with January 6th, with the revenge campaign in 24, if that is a 10-year campaign going after the king and he's missing over and over, failing to purge the bureaucracy, failing to implement Project 2025, failing to fire 50,000 employees, have the mass deportations.
		If it's this slow, if it's so unambitious, if he's already compromising and walking back and people are having to come up with defenses for it, well, what are we doing?
		All we're doing is pissing off the people that really run the world.
		And if you miss, they get the next reply and they're going to come after all of us hard.
		Trump, you, me, the supporters, the people in the administration.
		We learned that the hard way after January 6th.
		You know, in a way, we kind of already did this in the first term.
		Trump came at the king, was not equipped, did not have the personnel, did not have the expertise.
		There's arguments about what went wrong, but needless to say, it didn't work.
		And so they came back and it was revenge of the Sith.
		It was Empire Strikes Back.
		They came down hard with the vaccine mandate, with the DOJ on the J Sixers, with your law fair, with the law fair against Ricky Vaughn, against many people.
		We came at the king.
		We missed.
		The king cracked down hard.
		Here we are again.
		And it feels like deja vu all over again.
		We're coming at the king, coming at the establishment.
		And people say, well, you know, what about immigration enforcement?
		What about these other good things that are happening?
		I would argue we're six months in.
		I don't know anybody that's satisfied.
		Now, people may be defending Trump and saying, hey, the best is yet to come.
		We passed the big beautiful bill.
		We got the funding.
		And now in the next six months, we'll wrap up deportations.
		In the second half of the term, that's when things are really going to get underway.
		He's only six months in.
		I would argue if we didn't hit the ground running, if we don't come at it with seriousness and guns blazing, if we're playing catch up six months in, a year out of the midterms, it's not going to happen.
		They will delay.
		They will procrastinate.
		They will sabotage.
		They'll throw up roadblocks like they did before.
		And what's going to happen is when we run out the clock at the end of this term, it's going to be the same thing, except the left is going to come back even harder and even more severe.
		And I question then, what good were the half measures if all they did was invite this reprisal?
		So that's why I really am an extreme skeptic.
		I know you're skeptical too.
		I've watched your show and we did hype it up and I said, I'm going to confront you.
		But if you watch your show, you've been critical and you've talked about the Israeli element.
		No one can say you haven't been honest if they watch your show.
		I know you're a critic and a skeptic as well.
		I'm probably more skeptical and have been far more critical.
		We both want the truth, but I think we're both kind of mapping out Trump has put both of us in a predicament and the whole country.
		How do we now get out of it?
		That's really the question.
		So that's kind of where I'm at.
		And for the purpose of this debate or conversation, we can dispense with the rhetoric and just speak in practical terms.
		Where do we go from here?
		Because like you said, we're very short on answers and it's left us with a lot of questions.
	So that's where we're at.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That's a powerful 10 minutes, Nick.
		And I agree with everything you said.
		So I'm in full heart.
		They will indict me for sure if they get back in.
		I want Trump to be successful.
		And then I watched him 24 days ago literally come out and say through that memo, don't investigate.
		He killed himself.
		It wasn't even trafficking.
		There was his co-conspirators in jail for it.
		And then they said, I got attacked by all the MAGA influencers saying you're a traitor.
		And then Trump comes two days later.
		Yeah, I'm behind it.
		Shut it down.
		So I'm in full horror mode.
		Let me ask you this question.
		So I'm not going to spend 10 minutes countering back here.
		I really want to hear what you have to say.
		How could Trump, even he was raping kids, which you said, there's no evidence of that.
		It's obviously the CIA Masadis made a deal.
		That's what I've been told by the White House.
		They're like, hey, we got to make a deal with National Security.
		I'm just telling you, folks, that's what it is.
		At least that's what they told me.
		That makes sense.
		Why then would they bring attention to it and behave like this?
		Well, he's 79.
		He has been in nine years basically as the president.
		I couldn't handle this at 51.
		And the truth is, is that Trump doesn't give up.
		He doesn't break down, but he cracks up.
		And from my sources, and I don't say this meanly, folks, I just can't lie to the audience.
		He can't handle the pressure.
		And instead of having, you know, Democrat operatives at his White House, he now has Israelis.
		And look, I'm the guy that always said China's the main issue, the EU, the globalist, BlackRock.
		Because Israel controlled our foreign policy Middle East, but they weren't from all my research the dominant groups.
		I was just said what I knew.
		But now in this power vacuum, Israel is bragging in their newspapers that they're the superpower.
		They control Trump.
		Well, how do they control Trump?
		And we know Epstein is Mossad, Maxwell's dad, all of them.
		And from the best intel I have, Trump shut this down for that.
		And now he's pissed because the Democrats turned around, even though Trump made a deal and are bringing it up.
		And that's what he's doing.
		And he's walked into a trap.
		So now he's trying to kind of extricate.
		So it's a nightmare.
		And so listen, my listeners want me to go on Trump.
		I don't do what my listeners want.
		I do what I think's best.
		But at this point, I don't even know what to do because my enemies want to put me in prison.
		And we know they're child molesters and let the border open.
		We know they're bad.
		And then now Trump's this big thing.
		And all I can say is Trump rode in on the populist wave and populist winning everywhere.
		So we should not put all our eggs in his basket.
		But I'm also trying to decide: okay, do I want the Democrats to win the House?
		Trump needs to indict them for crossfire hurricane.
		He needs to release the Epstein files.
		He needs to stop listening to the CIA or he's doomed.
		I mean, I think that is clear to me that like you said, you don't shoot at the king once and miss and then barely survive.
		He's gotten a second shot and we've got to take them down.
		He's got to do that.
		And so I think it's existential.
		If Trump doesn't go to full war and actually do something, then by extension, he's giving it to the bad guys.
	And so I think really, at the end of the day, it's all about action because America will forgive him for whatever this is if he backs away from it and indicts them for other things they've done that are cut and dry.
	But if they don't, but that's a whole other discussion, Nick.
	Let's talk about what Trump should do, but also what is the way out of this?
	Because I'm like pissed at Trump.
	And then I look over there and I'm like, literal shark take of piranha is ready to eat me in the country.
	And I am, I'm actually gearing the headlights at this point because I'm just like, I mean, this is a nightmare scenario.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		I mean, we feel stuck.
		I don't feel stuck because I, you know, a year ago, I was saying that we would sort of end up in a similar predicament.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And no, man, let me stop being on you in 10 minutes.
		I said that before you came on.
		I said, listen, I have guests on that are consistently right.
		You disagree with overall your views or whatever, but you've been dead on.
		So my North Star is who's the most accurate?
		That's what I have on.
		So you did predict all this, which makes me physically ill.
		So what look at the crystal ball, Nick Fuentez.
		What is going to happen?
		And then what do we do?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's hard to say what is going to happen next because, you know, I was going to say, we are in a way stuck.
		We are stuck with Trump for the next four years.
		And when I say stuck, I mean, whether you think it's good or bad, he's the president and he's in this incontestable position.
		That was sort of the aspect of it that was very concerning to me, which is that if you have Kamala Harris, she has no legitimacy.
		So a lot of people like to think, well, if Kamala won, what would that have looked like?
		Obviously, it would not have been as good.
		The economy wouldn't be as good.
		The border wouldn't have been as good.
		And that's obvious.
		But what was less concerning to me about Kamala against all of that is that she was a lot less stable.
		And not by that, I don't mean mentally.
		I mean that she had no legitimacy as a ruler because she didn't win the Democrat primary fair and square and never did.
		She didn't, nobody would believe she won the general election.
		If she won, no one would accept that that was a fair and square deal.
		And so the regime would have been a lot less stable and would have had a lot less leeway.
		What I fear with Trump is that he has this cult-like status within the GOP.
		And when you look at the approval ratings over the past month, he has been declining with independents.
		He's hit a low with Democrats as always.
		But his approval with Republicans has been remarkably stable.
		It's been stabilized at just under 90% approval, even in spite of everything, in spite of bombing Iran, in spite of floating the amnesty deal, in spite of the Epstein files.
		And so you say to yourself, where do we go from here?
		What do we do next?
		We're in this sort of intractable position where there's nothing we can do because he's there and no one can challenge him.
		He steamrolled Congress to get the BBB.
		He steamrolled many of the people in the primary throughout this whole process.
		And so you say, if Trump is failing us, if he's failing as a guy, and I agree with you, there's some sympathy with it.
		You don't say it to be mean.
		You don't say it even necessarily to be critical, but just descriptively, this is an old man.
		He has been fighting for a long time.
		He is tired.
		And you can see that he can't handle it.
		You can see that it is a crackup, that he cannot handle these questions.
		And you watch these press conferences, these interviews.
		It's extraordinary the way he keeps digging, the way he gets asked about it and puts his foot in his mouth with this sort of, oh, well, we need to just stop thinking about that.
		And it's a Democrat hoax.
		And you say, how is it even possible that he's fumbling this hard?
		So much so that people are saying maybe it's calculated because it is not possible to mess it up this bad.
		He's failing.
		He's cracking up.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Saying, oh, he's going to make Democrats release the file.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		He's in control of it, dumbasses.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		He appointed the attorney general.
		It's under his purview.
		He could release it if he wants to.
		Pam Bonnie could do it.
		Trump could tell her to do it.
		And so he's in this position.
		He's clearly not well.
		And you could speculate about his health or something like that.
		But just suffice to say, he's not handling this well.
		But he also is immovable.
		And what's more is, and we talked about this the last time, there's this exuberance.
		And that really scared me when he came into office.
		And by scared, I don't want to sound like a resistance liberal or something, you know, but a year ago, I was concerned about this Trojan horse thing.
		He's going to take all the Republicans with him.
		Anything he'll do will have his imprimatur of credibility.
		90% of Republicans will support it no matter what.
		But then he gets into office, then he wins the election.
		And you see a Trump that is unchained, where he's like, we're going to take Canada.
		We're going to take Greenland.
		We're going to take Panama.
		We're going to go to war with Russia.
		We're going to go to war with China.
		And you're like, this is a guy that is not handling it well.
		He's incontestable.
		And he's totally exuberant, has this like God complex situation.
		And so we're kind of strapped in for the next three years.
		And, you know, I would say eight years ago, what I would have said, what is our course of action?
		I would have said, we have to fight for the personnel.
		We got to get a new chief of staff.
		We got to get Susie Wiles out.
		We got to get control of the White House, wrest control of it from the bad personnel, get the good advisors in.
		But we did that already.
		And even now, I don't think it's possible.
		I think that this is just how it's been the entire time.
		And, you know, Trump, if he knows, he knows how to get in touch with you.
		He knows how to get in touch with all these people that are critical.
		He won't do it.
		You know, and by the way, the people that are at the FBI, it's Cash Patel, it's Dan Bongino, it's Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr., Elon Musk was on The team.
		So you would say, who would he call to get him out of the mess?
		Who would be the dream team personnel that could steer the ship away from the rocks?
		Well, they're already kind of there.
		I mean, what could we have better?
		You know, if we're thinking about MAGA personnel that you could plug in that could solve the problem that represents the base, could you do much better than Cash Patel and Dan Bongino?
		Could you do much better than Vivek?
		And not to say that these are the best people ever, but these are pretty MAGA people.
		These are pretty outside the system people to bring in.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And so you wonder if they can.
		And I'm going to like, I just have to say this.
		I got a bunch of calls the last three weeks.
		And the calls go like this.
		What do you want?
		And I've never asked for anything.
		What I want is good policy.
		I always want to be the outsider.
unidentified		And I'm just like, what do I, what do I want?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I want make America great again.
		I want America first.
		So there's a real understanding in this administration that we're it.
		We're in charge.
		This is the way it is.
		And the fact that I get these calls like the top of the administration and they're just cutting dry.
		What do you want?
		And I'm just like, uh-huh.
		And again, the horror of Hakeem Jeffries and Pocahontas is right there.
		And that's why I'm in this paradox where I'm like, whoa.
		And so I mean, I feel disaster.
		I'm going to be honest with the viewers.
		I have nothing I can do, but to tell the truth.
		I am just in a nightmare because the Democrats are pure satanic scum.
		We know who they are.
		And you've got all this delusions of grandeur.
		People that know Trump well say it's beyond megalomania.
		He does not care.
		He does whatever he wants, which is good to not care about Democrats.
		He doesn't even respond to their attacks anymore because he literally doesn't care and thinks he's invincible.
		And now he's negotiating with Russia and China and North Korea and Iran.
		And just a week ago had a meeting with Zelensky and said, maybe we'll give you heavy bombs to bomb Moscow.
		And now they may overthrow Zelensky.
		So you get this idea that it's like this swirling crazy town.
		And you have last week, the CI director at that meeting they had, the cabinet meeting, and Ratcliffe literally leans back and goes, like demoning out in the meeting.
		And I'm just like, I'm like literally looking at places to run to in the southern hemisphere for nuclear war.
		And I'm not the type of guy that runs.
		My instincts are run, run, run.
		And the Democrats want to defeat Trump and the Democrats want to rape our kids.
		And I know they're bad.
		And then you got all this crazy Trump delusion.
unidentified		And I smell death.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And so Europe and Chicago, I'm in Austin, big cities.
		This is real world stuff.
		So at this point, I just want listeners of yours to know.
		Let me ask you this to comment to just the Armageddon flavor of this, but then the larger issue is, is there any way to extricate Trump?
		Is there any path, in your view, out of this?
		Or what do we do?
		Because obviously the behavior of the last three weeks on Epstein is not trillion DHS.
		It is flailing anger or it's covering something up.
		I mean, this is just, you can't lie about what this is, which I've been saying, I don't know what it is.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think it's over.
		I think it's over for him.
		And look, he's going to be the president for the next few years and he will deliver some tangible benefits.
		It's not all bad from a policy point of view.
		He has closed the border and maybe there can be some effort that's being made on debanking and free speech.
		I would say that is one of the great net positives, even though he didn't even really deliver that.
		I would argue that was more Elon Musk.
		Actually, with Trump, it's the reverse.
		They're going to bring back TikTok, but now there's going to be censorship.
		And I don't know if you saw, but they just negotiated this deal where they're going to have a new footnotes feature on TikTok where it's like a fact check.
		It's like the fake news thing that Facebook did.
		So, you know, there may be some more leeway in terms of free speech.
		I've heard there might be some better regulations for debanking.
		That might go away.
		This reputational harm might be eliminated as a consideration from the Federal Reserve for banks.
		There will be good trade deals.
		I think some of the trade deals, like with the European Union, like with these Asian countries, there will be some tangible benefits.
		With that being said, Trump is still a lame duck.
		He is a lame duck president.
		And many of the aspects of this presidency, they're just not living up to what needs to happen.
		And there's no future for him politically.
		I don't even think if he was eligible to run, we would want to vote for him yet another time in 2028.
		So like I said last year, I think what the MAGA base has to do is sort of recognize we still need to use what we can get out of this.
		You know, maybe we could have people work in the White House.
		There's many Groipers that are in this administration that are building their resumes.
		That's a good thing.
		People should still be doing that.
		And there are people like you and I that are benefiting from the free speech renaissance on Rumble, on X. We will benefit from that and from the debanking regulations.
		But separately, at the same time, we have to start to imagine, to your point, that question, what do you want?
		What do we want after Trump?
		Because when he leaves office and most likely pardons himself, you and I will still be here picking up the pieces.
		And even to the extent that we criticize Trump or have criticized Trump, it will make no difference when the left persecutes us.
		So even though I didn't vote for him, even though you've been fair and objective and critical, it will make no difference when the Democrats come in and clap back on all of us, on the entire right wing, and we will not get a presidential pardon.
		So we'll be sweeping up after him one way or the other.
		We have to start to think, what is our lives?
		What is our political movement?
		What is MAGA, the populist America first movement?
		What will it be when Trump sunsets?
		And I think he's already in a meaningful way sunsetted.
		There's just nothing new there.
		It's not dynamic.
		It's not progressive.
		It's not forward thinking.
		It's just sort of static and waiting to be resolved, waiting for him to exit stage left.
		We have to start to think in 2028: what is the next phase?
		What is the next booster rocket after Trump decouples?
		What will that be?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So let's speak to that.
		What is the next phase?
		Because Trump did not defend free speech when I got taken off and you got taken off everything.
		Elon, because I only give credit worth Stu, he is the champion of that.
		They ran him off.
		Susie Wallace didn't like him.
		But we're all living under that umbrella.
		Trump wouldn't have gotten in without Elon, in my view.
		What is your view on that?
		And so what is the Elon wild card there?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, what is interesting about Elon is introducing this America Party.
		I'm actually interested to see where that goes.
		And what the outcome of that is will tell us a lot about that dynamics in 2028, because clearly both parties are breaking up.
		I actually think maybe Trumpism having this spectacular crash out or someone argues maybe dying with a whimper.
		I think that it's a good thing because you see that both the right and the left, 10 years after Trumpism, are disintegrating.
		The left does not know where to go.
		And there is this big battle going on right now in the left between the radical progressives and the liberal establishmentarians.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's be careful.
		The left has the lowest approval rating in their history, no fundraising.
		They're flatlined.
		And then Trump commits political suicide saying, don't look at Epstein.
unidentified		I mean, it's just, it's insane.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		But I don't think that's a bad thing because the left has been disintegrated by Trump.
		Trump has utterly defeated them.
		It's sort of like the Soviet Union, like Trump matching them and just being tough and outlasting them.
		They have sort of killed themselves with wokeism, with the purity spiral, with the inherent contradictions.
		They are disintegrated.
		They are just not an effective operation right now.
		You see this with like Corey Booker giving this ridiculous speech.
		Like that's their guy.
		Bernie Sanders seems to be the only one with the doctrine.
		He's 90 years old.
		Zoron Mamdani wants to do socialism.
		It's not working.
		But now the right is also disintegrating due to the contradictions of Trumpism.
		So it's like Trump has killed the left.
		He's also now killing the right, such that on the left, you have this progressive liberal split.
		On the right, you have a split now with the Silicon Valley people hopping off, the anti-war people hopping off, the Q conspiracy people hopping off.
		Like the whole thing's coming apart.
		And now that Elon is talking about a third party, an America party that's based on center-right common sense policy, it's going to be free speech, H-1Bs, this sort of thing.
		It's creating an opening.
		The first act, you know, according to the Kabbalists in creation, they say, is to create an opening.
		I'm not a Kabbalist, by the way, but this is what they say.
		They say the first act is to create an opening, a container.
		And I was such a believer that Trump needed to lose for that to happen.
		Maybe he needed to win for that to happen.
		But now that Trump is sort of crashing and burning, new options are coming forward.
		Powerful people like Elon and Tucker are articulating alternative pathways forward.
		There is now just like for the first time, a wide open playing field.
		In 16, it was like Clinton and Bush.
		Those were your options.
		Trump scattered the ashes of the Bush dynasty, defeated the Clintons, defeated the Obamas, defeated the Bidens.
		Now it's just like a wide open playing field after all this.
		And this is where we can really begin to create.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Definitely the spell of Israel lobby being able to do whatever they want and say us to shut up.
		That's over.
		And all the other spells are broken right now.
		And so is there any way for Trump to resurrect himself and pull out of this?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
		But I think that even if he did, look, people will eventually move on.
		You know how it goes.
		You've been doing this for longer than I have, as long as I've been alive.
		And you know how it goes, especially now more than ever.
		A story is in the news for a week and then people forget.
		Now, this is going to leave a mark.
		This is going to have lasting damage.
		But just like everything else in a few months, people will forget.
		And that's optimistic.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, maybe they'll be.
		There's a fundamental miscalculation.
		I don't want to be mean to Trump, but his advisors, people very close to him, have told me last year, they go, it's beyond megalomania.
		He literally thinks he's invincible and he's delusional now.
		And I'm being honest with viewers right now.
		And they're very concerned.
		And now you see it.
		The fact that he thought they could put a memo out, which he wrote, which he had written, which I told people day one, they said, oh, you're a traitor.
		No, it's Pamboni.
		No, it was him.
		He admitted it later.
		To say he killed himself.
		He acted alone.
		There was no human trafficking.
		There are no files.
		It is suicidal politically, but it came out of his grandiose, extreme arrogance.
		And I get under pressure, this is what he turned into because how could you deal this pressure and not stop?
		So, you know, Nick, it's very paradoxical.
		And every time I sit there and look at this horror, I then look at Hakeem Jeffries and Pocahontas and AOC and Elon Omar.
		And I just go, okay, I'm happy to cut Trump loose.
		My listeners want me to.
		And it feels good.
		But then I go, what is the second order response when I look at World War Z zombie army?
		And that's where I like hit a brick wall.
		I'm just like, oh my God.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that I don't think that's the worst case scenario, to tell you the truth.
		I know that people don't want to see Trump go down because they worry about the left and things like that.
		But I think the worst case scenario is that Trump, at the end of the day, was never around.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Actually, Trump putting us to sleep is the problem.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		I think complacency, I think Trump rolling us back into the system.
		I mean, one thing that people never mention is with Trump winning in 24, nobody's talking about the rigged elections anymore.
		You notice that?
		Like Trump won in 24.
		And now people say, and there's polling on this.
		They say, we believe the elections are free and fair, and it's all legit.
		Now, with these new advertisements, the American Eagle, the Dunkin' Donuts, people say, oh, the advertisements are great again.
		People are being rolled right back into the system, supporting more Middle East wars, supporting more skilled skilled immigrants.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They push, they push.
		And when it fails, they flip right back to put us to sleep.
		Oh, we're in 1985.
		Everything's fine.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		They play both sides.
		When the left is losing cachet, they flip to the right.
		And people say, we won.
		The revolution succeeded.
		So I think, yeah, I mean, you said it succinctly.
		Trump lulling us to sleep, the complacency to me, that was always the real threat.
		With Trump disintegrating, it's actually presenting a real opportunity, especially in the way that he's disintegrating.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So wait, are you an accelerationist or what are you saying?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that I'm an accelerationist.
		I'm not rooting for the country to break apart, but I do believe that Trump occupying this seat is holding back something more right-wing.
		I think that Trump is, I'm maybe a political accelerationist.
		And what I mean by that is I don't want the worst case scenario to happen for America to collapse.
		So that then I'm not an accelerationist in that way.
		But in terms of the GOP, you want to wake up, though.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You want to have the wake-up call.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think the controlled opposition needs to be defeated.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We need to accelerate the political controlled opposition.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So let's look at it this way.
		Why do they want you off the air?
		Let's just say it.
		The NEL runs it.
		Let's see it.
		What are they scared about?
		We're not trying to bring ourselves into this, folks.
		We're not Hunter S. Thompson, but it's true.
		Why do they want you off the air?
		Why do they want me off the air?
		What are we doing that the power structure fears?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, what they don't like about you is that you are an independent media outlet.
		You have too big of a studio, too big of an operation, too big of an audience.
		They want to control that.
		I think with me, I never had an operation as big as yours.
		We get into it at different times and different circumstances and things like that.
		I think what they fear about me, and I've seen it even on TikTok the other day, there was like this liberal kid and he goes, the left is not talking about the rise of Nick Fuentes and that's a problem.
		The left is starting to like Nick Fuentes because he criticizes Trump.
		And I hate saying my own name.
		I think it sounds like narcissistic.
		But what they fear about me is that what I am proposing is a novel and truly reactionary alternative to what we get even from the GOP.
		You know, in 16, they used to say, and maybe you remember this, but in 15 and 16, they would say they hated Ted Cruz more than Trump because they said Ted Cruz was a true believer.
		He's a true radical, a true.
		Now, I don't think that's true, but there is this premise that they never feared Trump as much because they recognized that Trump was a deal maker, would make concessions.
		They recognized that Trump was not an ideologue.
		He really was a demagogue the whole time by definition.
		Whereas me, my movement, being very young, being very fanatical and being very radical, we do represent a threat in the sense that when all of these fake ideologies disintegrate, what is going to be the strongest ship?
		What is going to be the Noah's Ark?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a viable thing.
		That's why the NSA and Diamonds and Leaks, they fear anybody.
		They don't control if you get a group together.
		So they feel leaders.
		Period.
		So let me ask you this.
		What is your prediction?
		I know it's all dead reckoning for Trump.
		What is the best scenario?
		What would you do to try to, because he's here for three and a half years, what is the best path out of this?
		What do you think the Democrats are going to try?
		Trump's trying to stop these wars.
		That's a good thing overall.
		He's doing a lot of great stuff on trade.
		I mean, I don't want to, like, you know, the cliche, baby, out with the bathwater, but it's great to go, okay, Trump's got problems.
		And that's a whole other subject.
		I want to ask you, why is he covering up the Epstein thing?
		Because I've never seen any real evidence there.
		I've been all over this.
		So that's a whole other discussion.
		It's just, it's, he must have made a deal with Israel.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think there's maybe two very likely possibilities.
		And of course, there's many others.
		But to me, these are the standouts.
		One is that he wanted to avoid embarrassment.
		I think that he knew his name was in there.
		And his name was in the files in 2019.
		We just know this.
		There's videos and photos.
		And he was friends with Epstein for many years.
		And so he knew if there was a big disclosure, he'd be named all over it.
		Maybe we'd learn something.
		Maybe we'd learn nothing, but it would be a big shitstorm for him politically.
		And so I think that one possibility is it was just a big misstep.
		He did it to avoid embarrassment.
		I think that's possible.
		The other distinct possibility, which I think is very likely, is like you said, there was a deal with Israel that his allies would be hurt by this.
		Maybe people like Peter Thiel, people like Netanyahu.
		Maybe there's unknown people, people yet undisclosed in the files.
		It would be destabilizing for the political order.
		And for the same reason, he didn't lock up Hillary Clinton.
		He's going to do this.
		It's sort of a handshake with the shadow government, with the deep state, with this international cabal, whether it's Israel or the CIA, really a difference without a distinction.
		There was a handshake to just avoid pandemonium, to avoid a kind of Me Too level extinction event for a certain class of the elites.
		It's the same reason it's telling Nancy Pelosi came out and said, we should not release the files.
		Now, why would Nancy Pelosi and Trump agree on something like this?
		It's probably because it's for the sake of political order or because they both have something to hide and they don't want to have the scandal.
		So I think that those are the distinct possibilities.
		Maybe it's a combination of the two.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you.
		So now they're going to have hearings.
		Even Johnson's going to use it against Trump because he's a weasel.
		I'm not saying it's wrong to do it, but he's doing it for weasel purposes.
		What is your prediction on this?
		Because my prediction, as I said 24 days ago, is this has doom written all over it.
		They are going to go all the way to the wall with this.
		And if Trump doesn't release all the Epstein files and go after the deep state for Crossfire Hurricane, I want your take on that too.
		And all this talk about treason charges and things, then he's doomed because whoever convinced him or himself to sign on to the Epstein cover-up, he has now become everything he claimed he was against.
		I mean, he did that.
		And my listeners get mad that I'm not like covering it up.
		I can't do that.
		And some then take us out of context when I work at it and go, oh, you're covering it up.
		No, I'm covering every angle.
		I mean, this is the disaster.
		So, so, Nick, there's a lot of questions there.
		Why do you think he covered it up?
		What do you think is going to come out?
		How the Democrats think they can only limitedly expose him when they're heavily involved?
		Where do you see that going?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		I think they're going to keep pushing it, you know, because this is the first scandal that's really hurt Trump.
		All the other stuff nobody really believed, the Russia gate, the Stormy Daniels.
		For the most part, that never left a mark because there was this assumption among the base that, look, the left is going to lie about Trump.
		They're going to try everything.
		They're throwing everything other than the kitchen sink and the rest of it.
		But this is something that it's just unavoidable.
		I mean, the Trump base, these people like Cash Patel, they played up the Epstein files for years.
		It's so brazen.
		So this is going to leave a mark.
		And now that the left has found something that is so effective, super effective, they're just going to hit this all day long.
		Now, fortunately for Trump, there's this summer recess for the Congress so they can punt this.
		I don't know that that was even the best idea because when the Congress reconvenes, guess what they're going to do?
		They're once again going to force the issue.
		So we're going to pick up in September in the next legislative session on this.
		And it's going to happen simultaneous with the General Assembly of the United Nations, where they're going to recognize Palestine.
		It's going to happen simultaneous with the deadline for another Iran nuclear deal.
		And this is going to happen as Congress comes back and they're going to force a vote on Thomas Massey and the Democrats' resolution to get all the files unsealed from the DOJ on Epstein.
		And this is where, you know, I started to say this earlier.
		The conventional wisdom would say he's going to pull out of this.
		People will, they're going to stop paying attention to it.
		They'll find something else.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I don't smell that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I smell really bad.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And that's what I was about to say.
		I think it just gets worse and worse.
		I think, as you said, it's doom.
		It's a dreadful feeling that it's just going to be one shoe to drop after the next.
		It's like 50 shoes are going to drop after this.
		And we're going to hurtle into the midterms and it's going to be an issue.
		Then we're going to open up the Republican presidential primary and it's going to be an issue.
		And they're going to be hitting this from here until the next election.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		America First Populist salvage something.
		Whether we abandon Trump or not, folks, this looks bad.
		What do we do to continue our America First policy and extricate ourselves from this?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think we need to use this as an opportunity.
		I really believe we need to, this is an historic opportunity in the way that maybe even Trump wasn't to go further than Trump because Trump was able to go so far because people were so angry with what they were getting from both sides.
		That's why people tolerated Trump.
		That's why people were willing to go with Trump.
		Now that Trump has even disappointed them and he was supposed to be the revolution, I feel like this is like momentum.
		You know, some people look at this as dreadful.
		I look at this as kind of like momentum.
		This is an explosion of energy that can propel maybe something even more anti-establishment into the fore.
		You know, when people like liberals were pointing out, Trump is losing with the younger demographic.
		Trump's approval among the 18 to 25 is crashing out more than any other demo.
		The old people don't care, but the young people are furious about this.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And the left said, oh, this is a rebel and this is the main issue.
		And he thought he had the political cachet to say, shut up.
		And a person with a 70 IQ would have known that was a disastrous move, which goes to the mental acuity of him and his advisors.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		But in particular, with the young people, and I agree because he thought he could do it, but he didn't.
		The young people are leaving and the left is telling us, oh, great.
		Trump is losing the youth.
		This is a great day for the left.
		But Trump is losing the youth not because the youth are going to the left.
		He's losing the youth because they're more right-wing than Trump.
		Trump has created a generation of Nick Fuenteses and Grouper.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That's why that's right.
		I saw you talk about this.
		And I like Charlie Kirk.
		I'm on his enemy.
		And I think he's been brought along.
		But they're literally having struggle sessions now.
		When you've been banned from their events, I've been there when you get taken up by police.
		The fact that they tried to ban you from the building only made you bigger.
		Do a little short thing on that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Well, you know, last week they did this Turning Point struggle session on Israel.
		And what I said on my show is that for many years, back in 2019, I came at Turning Point USA as a critic from the right.
		Turning Point was considered the rightmost youth organization in the country.
		And they were the gladiators against the left.
		They were the most pro-Trump, the most right-wing.
		Then here comes the Groipers that are saying, you're not right-wing enough on the social issues, on immigration, on identity, and in particular, on Israel.
		And their first response back in 19 was to ban us.
		They banned me from their events.
		They kicked the Groipers out.
		They fired the Groipers that were sympathetic in their organization, and they tried to ignore us.
		They tried to purge us.
		They tried to pretend we didn't exist.
		Fast forward six years later, and their whole organization is filled with Groupers.
		Their events are filled with Groipers.
		The youth is about as right-wing as me.
		Maybe they're even more right-wing than me, even.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And again, it's so charming.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They had literally an event with their people about this now.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And last week, they had to hold this struggle session where they are very aware of this problem that at their events, they have people crying out for something that is truly America first, that is authentic, that's going to call out Israel.
		And so they host this session where they're basically trying to mediate and they're sort of putting themselves in this position like they have power over the conversation.
		The youth are already super far right.
		They come in and say, we're going to mediate this transition to the far right as if they control that at all, as if they have any say.
		And so they bring in all their Chapter leaders, they bring in some of the members of their organization, and they have this, what is supposed to be a focus group where they have an honest conversation about Israel.
		And one by one, you know, Charlie Kirk says, when you say Israel, what's the first thing that comes to mind?
		And one by one, the chapter leaders of Turning Point USA, the biggest right-wing campus group, they say the first word that comes to mind, Mossad, genocide, AIPAC, foreign lobbying, foreign wars, things that were unthinkable six years ago, things that almost nobody was talking about six, seven years ago, six, seven.
		And Charlie Kirk is there basically trying to mediate this and say, well, you know, you don't hate Israel.
		You just have some moderate criticisms.
		Well, we still support Israel.
		We still love Israel.
		And we don't have any problems with Judaism, but you just have some narrow criticisms about it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All the poll even shows Israel's the most unpopular thing.
		Look, I'm glad Charlie Kirk's waking up people at colleges.
		I don't want to be in anything with him.
		The crew's playing funny videos.
		The point is, is that you got exercise.
		You got sent into oblivion.
		You got sent to the Phantom Zone.
		You got put into exile.
		And there's no doubt, Nick, that your ideas and what you're saying are dominant within their own organization.
		And this is just emblematic of everything right now.
		And so where do you see this ending?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know the future because it's like you talked about earlier, you just don't know.
		You don't know what's going on with Trump.
		You don't know what's going to happen next when Congress comes back.
		But if we play our cards right, the way that it should end is that we view Trump as a stepping stool.
		You know, I don't believe that Trump, he was never the ends in itself.
		The end was America first.
		And we thought Trump was the leader to get us there.
		Now, I don't think that Trump was all bad.
		I'm not a Trump hater.
		I think that he did a lot of good for the country, but he was never, in my opinion, he was always the first step.
		He was always going to hand the baton to somebody else.
		He was planting a seed.
		He was destroying institutions.
		He was kind of like a necessary first part of a long story.
		And so if we play our cards right and are smart, what happens next is we decouple from Trump.
		And like he did, we imagine what is the next step of this?
		What do we want?
		And we take the baton from Trump and from this administration and we take it forward in 2028.
		We take it forward in 2032 and we look for a young avatar of this new movement that can run for office.
		Maybe as a congressman.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Is there anybody out there?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know anybody in particular.
		People say Thomas Massey.
		I don't think he'll be the guy.
		Dan Bilzerian has talked about running for office.
		Maybe it'll be somebody like him.
		Maybe it's somebody we haven't heard of yet.
		It could be somebody.
		This is a big country.
		It could be somebody that nobody even knows your name.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And I think all he knows is the fuck word.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		He is a little, yeah, he's a little jocular, but you know, I would never overname him.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm not against him.
		It's like, you know, dude, you got a vocabulary?
		You know, it's like, I don't know.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, I know what you mean.
		Hopefully, if he runs for office, maybe clean it up a little bit.
		Certainly clean up the land website.
		I might run for office at some point.
		I think at this point in time, I see myself more as like a vanguard.
		And I think I'm maybe more powerful, not in a campaign, because you get in a campaign and then they turn it into what you're doing.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, I got it.
		You're more like John the Baptist out there.
		So we got some more time left.
		I want to take a break and maybe we can open the phones up for like 20 minutes or something.
		I'm not sure, but we called a debate because it is a debate.
		And I saw the stuff he said.
		And I get it.
		You could take what I said out of context.
		I am horrified.
		I am just, I've never saw evidence of Trump with any kids.
		They would have already used it.
		We know, and I was told, I got the calls.
		I already knew it.
		It's the CIA.
		It's the SAD, it's national security.
		So then why did Trump act like that?
		And I am just, I'm not going to sign on to that because I've never sold out to the Democrats.
		They offer me all this money.
		I'm not going to sell out now to a lie.
		And you got Susie Wiles wants to keep fluoride in the water and mRNA shots.
		They're trying to block Kennedy.
		He fires their people.
		But then I want to throw Trump out because I'm seeing a real struggle in his administration, which normally there's no struggle.
		It's just lockstep.
		So, you know, to me, this is really paradoxical.
		And all I can do is just tell listeners what I'm seeing and say, this is what I'm seeing because something this complex, I don't have the answers to.
		But, you know, we have to have a larger discussion about what are we going to do if Trump has a heart attack next week.
		I mean, what would the Democrat, let me ask you this, Nick.
		What would have happened last year in Butler if Trump got his head blown off?
		What would have come out of that?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that Nikki Haley would have taken the nomination, to tell you the truth, because Trump, you know, at Butler, he had not yet chosen a VP.
		The only other person in the primary with any delegates was Nikki Haley.
		There would have been an open convention at the RNC.
		And of course, and the reason I say this is because, look, I mean, there would have been pandemonium.
		I mean, there would have been who even knows, maybe riots, maybe violence, maybe something like this.
		But without a doubt, there would be this unbelievable mandate that'd be like, get a Republican in and declare martial law.
		But the question is, who would that fall to?
		And I think it would have been like a Nikki Haley coup or like a Ron DeSantis coup.
		They would have been crowned and propelled by the martyrdom of Trump.
		They would have gotten into office and they would have everything that they're running the playbook right now, they would have done it with a vengeance.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		The boomerang.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, and, you know, the right, in my opinion, is being empowered right now because of October 7th.
		I think that, you know, when you look at all this anti-left wing action, it is propelled.
		And maybe this is one-dimensional, but this is what I see.
		It is being propelled by the Jewish oligarchy in America that is really, that got woken up by October 7th.
		And that's why you got Bill Ackman saying Harvard is too woke and Sean McGuire is a Trump supporter.
		Like they're driving this big right-wing tilt.
		And it's because they want to crush anti-Semitism and they want to crush Palestine.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So the paradigm is it's been the main Jewish lobby funding the Islamic invasion because it's anti-Western, and now they suddenly wake up to it.
		So let's go to break.
		Let's come back and talk about that with Israel.
		Because clearly, you can say Israel before was just trying to control our foreign policy.
		They, with the Democrats in shambles, they're trying a takeover right now.
		So play a few promos.
		Let's come back to Nick Foynkez to get his take on that.
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		This is where we are right now in the year 2025 on July 30th.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I saw Alex Jones and he looks really good, doesn't he?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's losing a lot of weight.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Take him back, my health.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		He's so good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the only impression I could take.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Alex looks good, man.
unidentified		Lost some weight.
unidentified		He looks good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He looks great.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He works out every day.
		It's like Noah's Empic.
		No bullshit, no shortcuts.
unidentified		He's definitely one of my bucket list people with me at some point.
unidentified		Introduce you to Alex.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we can make that happen for sure.
unidentified		Come on.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		It's so noticeable.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Wow, he looks handsome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I text Alex all the time.
		I know him.
		He's just losing weight.
		But if you go online, there's a lot of people that believe that this is like a different person.
unidentified		He looks great.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's all it is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He looks great.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		Here's your daily motivation.
		Alex Jones is 51 years old.
		He's been through more shit than you will ever go through.
		The Deep State has come for his life.
		They have come for his business.
		They fined him billions of dollars for free speech.
		Alex Jones has had his rights stripped away.
		They've tried to take this man's life for speaking truth.
		Alex Jones went from looking like this to looking now like this.
		Alex Jones is getting ripped.
		Alex Jones is getting yoked.
		It's showing all of us that no matter our age, no matter what's thrown at us in life, no matter how many troubles or trials that we have, what really matters is who you are on the rock-ribbed inside.
		Do you have gunpowder in your gut?
		Do you have some grit in your teeth?
		Can you be a man in the face of all of it?
		Your promised struggles in this life, can you punch back?
		Alex Jones is a motivation and a vibe today.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		This little piggy went to market.
		This little piggy stayed home.
		This little piggy had roast beef.
		This little piggy had none.
unidentified		This little piggy went wee, wee wee wee wee wee wee all the way home.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And this little piggy burned down the new world order.
		Let me see your war face, Schumer.
		Let me see your war face, Obama.
		Let me see your war face.
		Because what you're seeing From Trump.
		And what you're seeing from people all over the world is our war face.
		And it's not just the face, it reflects the internal eruption.
		So good luck.
		But I commit myself into the hands of God.
		And I pray on the altar of God that I be given the discernment and the will and the strength and the support to remove the chains from humanity.
		So let's never forget the business that we are about and the time in which we live.
		They want to break our will.
		Don't just survive and persevere and not let them break your will.
		Instead, take the weight of their assault and use it as a tool to strengthen every fiber of your psyche, your soul, and who you are.
		And pledge with me, eternal resistance over every form of tyranny that has attacked the mind of man.
		And pledge, as he pledged 250 years ago, the great architect of our republic, Thomas Jefferson, I have sworn on the altar of God, eternal resistance against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.
		Make that pledge and feel the universe open up.
		Step into the space-time continuum and realize we're sharing that same moment with Thomas Jefferson now.
		There is no past.
		There is no present.
		There is no future.
		There is only one endless, timeless moment.
		And absorb the void and you will be there staring back at God.
		All right.
		Well, I appreciate Nick Fuentez, really smart guy being with us tonight.
		Nick Jay Fuentez on Rumble and on X. We're going to end this in about 30 minutes.
		We're going to take a few calls right now.
		Call it a debate.
		I mean, it is a discussion.
		I would say more of a wake.
		And I don't want to agree with him totally that Trump's done.
		I think there's some chance to extricate this.
		But as I said, three plus weeks ago, before he even came out, this is Trump.
		And going against what he promised to do, the Epstein thing, has created a wedge the Democrats are coming after.
		Without looking at all the other issues and how he's so much better than them on others, and I want to keep the House, I want to keep the Senate.
		And the Democrats are destroying themselves right now.
		It's very paradoxical.
		So the toll-free number to make your comment or question to Nick Fuentez or myself here tonight is 877-789-2539.
		877-789.
		Alex, 877-789-2539.
		We'll just take five, six, seven calls, and then we'll let Nick get out of here.
		But Nick, do you have any inkling in your political repertoire or vision of a path to Trump extricating himself?
		Because it's not just the Epstein thing.
		That's just emblematic.
		I agree with you.
		And I know the behind-the-scenes stuff.
		Of not that he's implicated, just the arrogance of they'll shut up if I tell them to.
		And now he sees that's not the case.
		And then the different scenarios of where this goes.
		So what is your positive vision versus your negative vision?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I don't really have a big positive vision for him.
		And the reason for that is because I think he has no ability to renew.
		I think that, you know, we both know him the first term.
		It was a lot of disappointments and a lot of unforced errors and failure.
		And we were looking for the second term to kind of restart.
		And, you know, he's got a lay of the land.
		He's got personnel.
		He's got expertise.
		We thought he was going to make it better, but it's all the same mistakes.
		And so this is a very old guy.
		This kind of is the second chance and he's blowing it.
		If he had the capability to reinvent himself at this point in time, which I don't think he does, you got a clean house.
		You got to get a new chief of staff.
		You got to get new personnel.
		And you would really need an intention to flip the script.
		And you would need to say the Epstein files are going out and use them to go after your enemies.
		You know, it's like you said, and we're kind of in agreement on this.
		Even if all of this has happened, if he went after his opponents like Clinton and Obama and Comey and Clapper, and if he raised some of these departments and agencies to the ground and he did the mass deportations, he would be forgiven.
		You know, he's a lame duck and that could cut both ways.
		You could say nothing new can come out of it.
		He can't win again.
		At the same time, you would say he could kind of burn the house down on his way out, meaning not necessarily destructive, but he could really go for it and he could really go for the institutions and really go for these bad people.
		And this is a crisis.
		This is like a hot potato.
		He has it.
		Pass it to the next person, you know, double it and pass it to Hillary Clinton.
		Why is he caught holding the bag and dying with the Epstein thing?
		So, you know, if I were him and I'm not him, but if I was, and you can kind of see that he's doing this, he's flirting with the idea.
		Take this political football, hunt it, use it to blow up the left, use it to blow up the Democrat side, use it to raise some of these intelligence agencies, use this to split with Israel, you know, and some of this other stuff.
		There's opportunities on the table for him to have like a second wind, like a second act here in this already bad start for the second term.
		I just have no faith that he's going to take it because what that would involve, I don't think he's capable of it.
		I don't think he's willing it.
		And that's sad.
		But if I were him, that's what I would do.
		You know, never let a crisis go to waste.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So who do you see as a villains in the administration?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Susie Wiles, Brooke Rollins, I would say this John Ratcliffe at the CIA.
		These are all terrible choices.
		I think probably the better people are Tulsi Gabbard.
		Even her, I don't trust, though.
		I'm going to tell you the truth.
		I don't trust her.
		And I don't trust J.D. Vance.
		I think he's a yes man.
		I think that he is a chameleon.
		But those would be the people that I would get rid of right out of the gate, the chief of staff, CIA director.
		Tulsi Gabbard, she's not even doing a good job as the DNI.
		You know, we need someone.
		I would say she's ideologically presented as more sound.
		She's not doing a good job.
		I would just purge the whole thing.
		I think Christy Noam's got to go.
		She's way more focused on, you know, the former campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, than she is, I think, on immigration.
		I would say that Stephen Miller's got to go, contrary to what people say.
		I think he's just got to purge the whole lot of them because there's no results.
		And when there's no results, people got to go.
		But I would start with Wiles, Rollins, Christy Noam, John Ratcliffe, Tulsi Gabbri, because she's not doing a good job.
		Pete Hegseff, because he's malleable, even though some say he's on side.
		Rubio, he's got to go yesterday.
		He's terrible.
		Those would be the ones I get rid of.
		And then everybody else I get rid of the day after.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Rubio literally threatened to attack me physically, but he seems to be seeing from a MAGA script.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		What's wrong with Rubio?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I've heard that.
		And that's been a line I've heard on social media.
		But I mean, there was this memo that came out the other day.
		He's pushing the president to take a tougher line on Russia, China, Venezuela, Iran.
		He's leading the charge to take people's citizenship at the State Department and deport them for anti-Semitism.
		He was pushing, I believe, some of the regime change stuff against Iran.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So I'm sure you've seen the ambassador to Israel send a letter two weeks ago saying, please stop attacking Christians.
		And the settlers are attacking Christian ancient churches in the West Bank and other areas.
		And, you know, even the huge Christian Zionist, the former governor of Arkansas is coming out and saying, please stop.
		And now they've burned down more churches.
		What do you make of that behavior?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think it's a load of crap.
		I think it's meant to placate us.
		I think that Israel messed up when they shot that church and they knew they messed up because even a lot of the big Zionists said, okay, we have a problem.
		You know, you tried to shoot a cross off a church and you clearly missed.
		And there's no excuse for that, especially with everything else that people have been forced to defend and put up with.
		So I think when Mike Huckabee says they're putting pressure on Israel not to attack Christians, I think that's performative.
		And the reason I think it's performative is because, look, Washington holds all the cards with all of it.
		We give them the weapons.
		Like they are totally dependent on us.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not denying that.
		I'm saying, why would Israel be blowing up churches and firebombing ancient Christian settlements when the Protestant Christian Zionists send them billions a year?
		It just shows, let's put it to the next level.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think they've lost control.
		I think even to some extent, the IDF, I mean, they're shooting people in the back of the head, getting aid, and those are Muslims.
		They're blowing up churches.
		That church, the cardinal there, Pisabella, he was calling Pope Francis every day as Pope Francis prayed for Gaza.
		And you know the Israelis had to hate that.
		They hate that the Catholic Church is speaking out against the war.
		They hate that every time something happens, the Catholic Church calls for Israel to stop the invasion.
		They hate that Francis was calling the church.
		And so I think, whether it came from the top or whether it was freelancing in the IDF, they said, you know what?
		It's time to, let's take a shot at these Catholics.
		Enough calling for the end of the war, enough praying for the people of Gaza.
		I think they are just totally bloodthirsty and emboldened.
		I think, you know, the way they've been conducting this entire thing with the aid sites, they're clearly emboldened because, you know, whether it's shooting the church, and as a Catholic, I'm mortified.
		That's such a horrible thing.
		But at the same time, they're also murdering and starving people to death while even Trump and the Europeans are telling them, you got to feed these people.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about Gaza blowing up the church.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They're now burning down the West Bank Christian communities.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, and here's my point is I think that the Israelis just don't care.
		You know, that's kind of my point is if the Israelis cared about winning over the public and getting people on their side, they would have been doing a lot of things differently, whether it's the Christian communities in Gaza or the West Bank, the settlers that are spitting on the Christian missionaries there.
		That's what Huckabee was referring to.
		That's something that's been going on for a long time.
		To the extent that Huckabee's taking up that issue, I think that's damage control.
		I think that's a big farce.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		He wants to get all that money.
		He leads those groups there.
		So then the larger question is, looking at Russia and Ukraine and Trump with a 10-day ultimatum issued two days ago to Russia, where do you see that going?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think it's going where you think it's going.
		I think it's going nuclear.
		This is an escalation.
		And like everything else, Trump only knows one language, which is escalation and these maximalist demands.
		The reason that he's making this 10-day ultimatum is because he has bent over backwards to make a deal with Putin.
		And he's gone through these big gestures, meeting with them in Riyadh in the first few weeks, very high-level meeting, the Secretary of State and the Foreign Minister.
		He's made these overtures to normalize relations.
		And Putin is not biting.
		Putin is not giving him anything.
		Trump is throwing Zelensky under the bus.
		He's going against the Europeans.
		And Putin will not give him an inch.
		And so I think Trump is just, like everything else, he's pissed off.
		And he's just saying, you know what?
		F this guy.
		That's effectively where we are.
		It's basically what he's saying.
		He's saying, look, Putin doesn't want to end the war.
		Okay, no more Mr. Nice Guy.
		You want Joe Biden back?
		I'll give you Joe Biden on steroids.
		It's the same thing he did with China.
		It's the same thing he did with Canada, with some of the tariffs.
		It's the same thing he did with the Hoof.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So why is Russia not making a deal?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Because Russia's winning.
		Russia's in the middle of this summer offensive.
		The warfare is all drone-based.
		Russia's leading the way on the battlefield and innovation.
		They've got these fiber optic drones.
		They're attached by a cable.
		And so they are making more advances into Ukraine this summer than they have basically since the beginning of the war, since the very beginning.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And it's going to go down.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Fiber optic drones.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And Ukraine has no counter for that right now.
		So, you know, there's this rapid innovation happening on the battlefield.
		Russia's leading it.
		And I think that, you know, why is Russia going to give up now?
		They're gobbling up all this land and they're saying maybe they'll make a deal in the future, but they want to get as Much as they can before they make a deal.
		And so both sides are being greedy.
		The United States is being greedy.
		Russia is being greedy.
		Russia wants to have the best position to make a deal.
		So does the United States.
		And so they're both saying, you know, we don't want to make a deal, but especially Russia is saying, we don't want to make a deal just yet.
		We want to take more.
		Then we'll make a deal when we're in a better position.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let's take a few calls.
		I agree with you on that.
		But Democrats, what are their aces and the holes?
		They've been saying Tom Holman is going to kill migrants, clearly setting up a false flag.
		They've been winning a summer rage.
		You know, the No Kings protests, that all failed.
		The hitman up there killing people says he works for Tampon Tim.
		What do the Democrats do?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think they still don't know.
		They appear to still be in disarray.
		There is no leader of the Democrats.
		There's no strong messaging.
		What they will run on in the next year is the Big Beautiful bill, which is extremely unpopular.
		They're going to run on corporate tax cuts for Medicaid, fighting the oligarchy, fighting the king, the immigration stuff, and Epstein.
		That's going to be their playbook.
		As far as instability, I do agree that the deep state, it's clear they're ginning up something.
		And the question is really more like, are we going to get an Israeli false flag or a Democrat false flag first?
		Are we going to get like some kind of ICE false flag by the Democrats?
		Are we going to get a Hamas Hezbollah false flag?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Israel's planning.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's a question of what?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Or will we get both false flag on the illegal aliens?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think it's kind of a foregone conclusion.
		And we might even get something organic.
		You know, I mean, the left, they really have no options in the sense that, yeah, they might have something where they're really leaning into this thing where they're saying that the illegal immigrants are being stripped of their civil liberties or illegal immigrants are getting caught up in the dragnet.
		That doesn't even seem to be working.
		What is going to happen, though, is another left-wing nut job is going to kill a bunch of people and that is going to sink them.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So we'll take a few calls and let you go.
		And it's been a good discussion.
		In your view, if you were Trump, what would you do to extricate yourself from the path he's on right now?
		Is there any way to say what Trump's doing?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		The only pathway is forward, always forward.
		So look, if he's getting hit over Epstein, he's got to give the base more.
		Take advantage of the crisis.
		You know, and maybe it wasn't 5D chess.
		Obviously, it wasn't, but play it like it was anyway.
		If there's this big demand for the files, just act like you were playing it that way anyway.
		Dump the stuff on the Clintons.
		Dump the stuff on these people.
		Go even use it as leverage against Israel.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Drum's a no-brainer.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So why won't he do it?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		It depends on what's in him.
		And maybe that raises a question.
		Is it a mutually assured destruction?
		Like that, that seems to me to be the obvious because that's what people say.
		They say, why did Biden not use it against Trump?
		Why won't Trump use it against the Democrats?
		Probably because there's mutually assured destruction.
		If the Democrats used it on Trump, they would burn up the game.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Senator Wynne's trying to get Epstein's bank records.
		The Democrats are doing the DOJ.
		I totally agree.
		It's mutually assured destruction.
		So why are they doing it?
		Because I don't think these congresspeople realize what they're doing.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're playing a dangerous game.
		Then again, it's a generational thing.
		Maybe the Democrats think that it's not going to hurt them that bad.
		These guys like Bill Clinton.
		Epstein's operation was really the labor-labor Democrat alliance from the 90s, labor in the UK, labor in Israel, the Dems in the United States.
		That was in the 90s.
		So I think maybe some of the younger guys are thinking we're going to push on this.
		It's hurting Trump.
		Maybe it's like this, you know, it's this effect where they just want to hit Trump by any means necessary.
		So maybe they're not aware of the risk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		This evidence points towards them getting in trouble.
		So then why is Trump covering it up?
		And I keep repeating the same question.
		It's just, it's idiotic.
		Because if he had thought he was involved, it would have supported him.
		That's all I need.
		I'll turn on his ass in a second.
		But then why is he acting guilty when I don't see evidence of it?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, that's the million dollar question.
		Because we don't know what's in him, we can only speculate.
		And since he's in them, he's named in them.
		He knows he's named in them.
		You got to know that he must be worried about an indictment or even the appearance of impropriety, which could lead to an impeachment.
		That's the other thing is he's in.
		He's in office.
		So if we lose the midterms, if the Republicans lose the midterms and something is damning in those files, they'll impeach him.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Maybe he's worried about that.
		What do you think is going to happen with this CrossFire Hurricane?
		Talk of indictments.
		War talk?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think it's all talk.
		They've talked and talked about that.
		I'm not going to hold my breath for them to bring charges.
		It's a load of crap every time, you know, very frustrating.
		You and I, we're the victims of lawfare.
		Somehow, all of our enemies, even though we win the White House twice, they never do.
		I think it's honestly infuriating.
		Don't talk about it.
		Do it.
		Trump posts these AI edits of him like arresting Obama.
		Yeah, you're the president.
		You don't need to make a cartoon about it.
		Do it.
		Pick up the phone, sign the damn executive order, and you do it.
		You know, and MAGA needs to get better about that.
		MAGA loves taking the bait and they see a funny post on True Social and go, LOL, this is the best.
		Dude, I'm sick of advertisements and AI edits.
		He's the president.
		Make something happen.
		Take action.
		There's a lot of forgiveness if he would reward his base, but he does nothing.
		And that's the problem.
		So, and the base needs to get better about being vocal about that and stick up for themselves.
		They're afraid.
		You know, they're defending Trump.
		They're negotiating with themselves.
		We need to ask better of Trump.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, you know, there could be a lot of people.
		As soon as I and you and others came out three weeks ago on Trump said, this is insane, the whole influencer thing attacked us and said we were Democrats.
		Now they have to admit, oh, God, this was a disaster.
		Are they getting talking points?
		I mean, obviously they are.
		These people are a joke.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		They're totally getting talking points.
		That's clear because they're all running the same script.
		Every real authentic patriot is pissed about the Epstein files because it's indefensible.
		I mean, we've all seen it.
		We all know what it is.
		It's literally indefensible the way it's been handled.
		And all they can bring themselves to say about it is these talking points about, oh, well, Trump kicked Epstein out of his club.
		Oh, well, you know, it's really, it's a Democrat thing.
		Oh, it's five-dimensional chess.
		So it's literally being coordinated in group chats.
		A script has gone out.
		They're being paid by PAX or, you know, something like influenceable or something like that.
		And people should take note of who's defending this.
		No, I agree, but they lost a lot of credibility.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm just trying to figure out a way out of this and wargaming it.
		But it looks progressively worse every day.
		And then I just ask myself, why did Trump have to destroy himself on this hill?
		There's not evidence.
		And that's the big question.
		That is the big question.
		All right.
		Nick's been very nice to this interview, this debate.
		And I want to let him go soon.
		The crew's been here swimming since 6 a.m.
		So let's go ahead and take a few phone calls.
		We'll move quickly.
		Your questions or comments for Nick Fuentez, Nick Tay Fuentez on Rumble and on X. I'm Arillox Jones.
		But this is really, this is integrity, folks.
		We're wargaming it.
		There's not a script.
		We're trying to figure this out.
		I feel like it's awake, actually.
		I mean, I'm horrified.
		I just have nothing else to say other than I just, my God, if Trump doesn't start indicting people, if they don't release the episode files very soon, then it is going against my own personal interest.
		These Democrats, I know, are evil, want to put me in prison, but I cannot join with something that's a lesser evil.
		So I have my guts torn out my ass right now, but I've got to tell the truth, and I am.
		All right, let's go to Ethan in Alabama.
		You're on the air.
		Go ahead.
		You're on the air.
ethan in alabama ▲ ● ▼		Hey, how you doing?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
ethan in alabama ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Just forgive me a little bit.
		I'm a little nervous because you guys are both my inspirations, especially Nick.
		I just recently became a VoIPA.
		I don't mean to take y'all's time, but stop apologizing.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Just what's your point?
ethan in alabama ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so my question to you, Alex, was if Nick were by chance to start a GoIPA war against like the Trump movement, like would you be in like would you be a part of the movement?
ethan in alabama ▲ ● ▼		I'm getting tired of these Judeo-Catholics, Judeo-Christians in the office dictating our government, and I just...
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Three weeks ago, I came out day one and said this is BS within hours of it breaking.
		And I've tried to figure it out since.
		So I am at war with the Republican establishment trying to control Trump.
		So it's not, do I, I would, if Nick launched some war against Trump that he kind of already has, I would then gauge it and say, do I agree with it?
		He kind of already did it.
		So I think you're kind of like behind the curve here.
		I think we're already here and we're saying we want to get Trump steered back.
		Can he be salvaged?
		We're having a discussion about this.
		We know the Democrats are pure evil.
		Is that a fair statement, Nick?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
		We are and have been at war with Trump for a long time.
		And, you know, I think that, as you said, if you watch your show, you did come out on day one and it was highly publicized.
		It was everywhere.
		And you said this is reprehensible, what Trump is doing.
		And the question now is just, what form is this going to take next?
		And I have some ideas, but my first inclination is.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let me stop you again.
		Exactly.
		We're now looking at wreckage.
		I'm going to be honest, I'm not going to get up here decisive and say, I've got all the answers.
		I am literally like in a car wreck and the cars are all blown up.
		People are laying on the ground.
		I think we're trying to figure this out, right, Nick?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Yeah.
		You're right.
		We don't know what's going on and we don't know the way forward.
		But my first inclination is we have to punish them, you know, and I know people didn't like my tactics last year, but my first instinct when I heard this is when Trump said, I don't want your support, my first thought is that needs to be on billboards.
		That needs to be projected at rallies.
		Come to the midterms.
		People need to say and remember that I don't want your support.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
		Our only hope is killing his hubris.
		Like if there's any salvaging him, which is actually working some, he, you know, if we try to say, oh, take the vaccine, people backlash, he backed off.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Trump, gut level.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Is Trump salvageable?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Gut level, no.
		We have to push anyway.
		We have to push and either he will capitulate and we'll be surprised or we push and we push into something new and it becomes the basis of the orbit to do the right thing.
		Exactly.
		Exactly right.
		And it's sort of like the first order.
		You know, something emerges out of the shell of Trumpism and we carry it forward.
		Forward must be the battle cry, always forward.
		You know, I'm not a hater and I'm with you on that.
		We don't want to be haters bitching about it and say, well, you know, this sucks.
		We're out.
		No, we're in this.
		We want to see positive change.
		And if Trump isn't going to do it, we'll carry it forward without him.
		That's got to be the best.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		I'm not rooting against Trump.
		I'm horrified.
		And you're right to say that I've tried the gymnastics, wargame it, but I've been honest.
		I don't know.
		And I am just disgusted.
		Johnny in Florida, you're on the air.
		Go ahead.
johnny in florida ▲ ● ▼		Have you got me?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I got you, Johnny.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
johnny in florida ▲ ● ▼		All right, look, I'm going to tell you all what kind of outstanding job you both did.
		But I'm just going to say this point blank to Nick Pointez.
		It's just like when Christ picked up that stone and said, cast it.
		The ones amongst you, cast the first stone.
		I'm not saying that because I'm a Christian.
		I'm saying that because that's a fact that it happened.
		The only thing I can say is that Trump's going to have a come to Jesus moment, and he's going to pick up a stone and say, y'all throw the first stone at whoever's guilty.
		Other than that, we don't build our nation upon hatred.
		We try to work with what we got and build it to be better.
		That's all I got to say, and I appreciate both of you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Nick, I think you put that point out.
		How do the Democrats try to connect him to Epstein when they're completely convicted of it?
		It is a he without sin, throw the first stone.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that that applies.
		I mean, if they're all guilty of this, then they all got to go.
		You know what I mean?
		Like, you know, we could say the Democrats are hypocrites, but then we could say Trump is a hypocrite.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		no, I agree, but how do they use Epstein on him when they're confirmed involved?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, again, I think it depends on what's in the files, which we don't know.
		But at the same time, Trump runs the DOJ, so the onus is on him.
		You know, I mean, I'm really just not interested in that.
		When people say Democrats and Republicans, I say you're repeating yourself.
		You're talking about the same people.
		So, you know, people want to make it about the Republicans versus the Democrats.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, I agree white Johnson and Senator Thune trying to block and have fake congressional resets so Trump doesn't get his nominees.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what game they're playing with that.
		I think that, you know, that's leverage they have against Trump.
		I think that Mike Johnson.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, it's well, Mr. Trump's actually weak that they're doing that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I think that John, I don't know about that necessarily.
		I think that Johnson's doing it on Trump's behalf.
		He's covering it up for Trump.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So you think he's doing a reset to cover it up?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I do.
		I think John Thune wants leverage against Trump.
		Trump and Thune are not aligned, but I think Johnson's covering it up on his behalf.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Dave in FEMA Region 9, that's on the West Coast.
		Go ahead, Dave.
		You're on the air with Dick Fuentes.
dave in arizona ▲ ● ▼		The IP members out here.
		Thank you, Alex.
		Thanks, Nick.
		So the Epstein list for me is not about Epstein.
		It's about exposing the people that rape children for decades, right?
		But unfortunately, we live in a post-constitutional era.
		And right now, it's the legislative branch and the sociopathic control agarchs from past administrations, deep inbeds in the FBI, CIA, that are ruining our republic.
		So I don't think that MAGA base is walking away from President Trump because we're not ideologues.
		A single issue, whether the FBI is slow walking this or the DOJ is slow walking this, is not going to prevent us from supporting the MAGA movement, which is way bigger than President Trump.
		It's about we the people.
		The coup against President Trump in 16 and 20 and the one against President Biden Buffett in 2024 was not against those three figureheads.
		It was against we the people.
		So we will get a chance to destroy this establishment class, these sociopathic controligarchs.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, I would raise that, yeah, I hear you, on the trade, on cutting deep state funding.
		I mean, there is a lot of good happening, Nick.
		That's what's so painful about this.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
		Like I said, I don't think you can treat it as a singular issue.
		And we talk about oligarchs.
		I mean, Trump, by definition, is an oligarch.
		He is a billionaire.
		I mean, look at his cabinet.
		Linda McMahon, Howard Luttnick, Scott Besson.
		Scott Besson comes from Soros.
		He worked for Soros.
		I mean, if they're not oligarchs, then who is?
		Peter Thiel, J.D. Vance.
		I mean, look at the people that supported Trump getting into office.
		It was Silicon Valley, Wall Street, the Israel lobby, and then Trump hired all of them.
		I mean, all the people in the DOD and the Pentagon are Musk people.
		If Elon Musk and Peter Thiel are not oligarchs, who is?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So what do you make of the Musk-Trump split?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that looks pretty real.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I think it's real, but, you know, that's just one other oligarch.
		I think that that's got nothing to do with what's going on.
		At least Elon Musk was calling out the Epstein stuff on June 5th.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That's why you say he's owed an apology.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And I said it, and you said it too, the day it happened.
		I said, Elon is right.
		He has no reason to lie.
		And everybody said, oh, that's fake.
		Trump deflected from it.
		So, yeah, absolutely.
		But, you know, this whole thing about, oh, Epstein's one little issue.
		It's about the Republic or whatever.
		First of all, we don't have Republic.
		That is a fiction.
		Second of all, Trump is the oligarch candidate, if there ever was one.
		He is the congenital oligarch, if there ever was one.
		But MAGA people need to wake up.
		This is what I'm talking about.
		These are like the mind-raped.
		These are the raped, brainwashed people that bought into the scam and they think that Trump is carrying the banner forward.
		It's like, look around you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how are you?
		I mean, they see the good appointments and things better than Democrats.
		I don't do lesser of two evils.
		But overall, I don't think all Trump supporters just might sort of the Q-tards.
		Well, now they're waking up too.
		It's just, it's hard to look at the Democrats and then just totally turn against Trump.
		But I get what you're saying.
		It's a bad sign.
		Let's take a few more calls.
		Brian in Arizona, you're on the air.
		Brian, go ahead.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Hulk Hogan said faces change, nothing else.
johnny in florida ▲ ● ▼		I agree completely with Nick that Trump is done.
johnny in florida ▲ ● ▼		He's just done.
godzilla in wisconsin ▲ ● ▼		He called us stupid.
unidentified		Don't forget that ever and said he doesn't need our support.
godzilla in wisconsin ▲ ● ▼		Like, okay.
johnny in florida ▲ ● ▼		And also, Alex, Alex gets breaking news.
brian in arizona ▲ ● ▼		Nick said earlier he plans on running.
godzilla in wisconsin ▲ ● ▼		This is breaking news.
godzilla in wisconsin ▲ ● ▼		Only Alex finds breaking news like this.
johnny in florida ▲ ● ▼		Nick, that would be amazing.
brian in arizona ▲ ● ▼		My question is, can you please hurry up?
unidentified		Could you imagine if Thomas Matthew is president and you were vice president?
brian in arizona ▲ ● ▼		Could you imagine you fixing Israel?
johnny in florida ▲ ● ▼		That would be amazing.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, Nick's too young, but he might be president someday.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So you want Nick to run for Congress?
unidentified		I would love him to help our government from whatever level he could.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you, Brian.
		Cameron, North Carolina.
		Cameron, you're on the air.
godzilla in wisconsin ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
cameron in north carolina ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate you guys having me on the air.
cameron in north carolina ▲ ● ▼		It's an honor to speak with both of you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Honor to talk to you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
cameron in north carolina ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and big shout out to Nick for waking me up.
		Thank you.
		My question is, Trump planned to run in 2014, 2015.
		Do you think that it was intentional when he said that Epstein would have trouble coming later, that his administration would go on to arrest Epstein and then Epstein would eventually die?
		Do you think that was calculated?
		That question is for Nick, but I'd love to hear Alex's opinion as well.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Do you think Trump had Epstein killed?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think it's certainly possible.
		You know, There's this funny clip from Bill O'Reilly's show where Bill O'Reilly goes, Epstein got arrested under Biden and he was persecuted by Maorcus or not Majorkis, Mira Garland.
		And he's with this journalist.
		They go, Nope, nope, that happened in 2019.
		So I wonder how many people even know that that whole thing happened under Trump and Bill Barr.
		When you look at the coincidences, it's really interesting, isn't it?
		Bill Barr's father hired Epstein or may have hired him at the Dalton School, gave him his first job.
		Then his son, Bill Barr is the attorney general.
		It's under him that Epstein is charged again.
		It's under his jurisdiction that Epstein is charged.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And Donald Barr wrote a book about pedophilia.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Yeah, he wrote that science fiction story mirroring the Epstein blackmail ring.
		So, yeah, I don't think it's far-fetched.
		And it was Alex Acosta, the labor secretary, that gave Epstein the deal back in 2006.
		You know, Epstein got charged.
		That was the first time.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I promoted him a decade later after the cover-up to that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And then he resigned over it.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And then in 2019, when Epstein killed himself, Acosta, who really had no business even being there, he was the attorney for the Southern District of Florida, gets promoted to be labor secretary.
		It was a very bizarre fit, not really a good fit.
		Then Epstein commits suicide and Acosta resigns when there's all this scrutiny over the sweetheart deal from the first round of charges.
		And there's all these types.
		Those are just two of the connections.
		Bill Barr, Acosta, but there's also Howard Luttnick.
		There's also Alan Dershowitz.
		There's Peter Thiel.
		I mean, there's a lot of connections there between Trump and Epstein.
		So I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that Trump had him killed or someone close to Trump had him killed.
		And maybe that's why maybe Trump killed him.
		Maybe that's the real cover-up.
		You never know.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Jerome in Michigan, you're on the air with Nick Fuentez.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead, Jerome.
brian in arizona ▲ ● ▼		Hey, can you hear me?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I can go ahead, Jerome.
brian in arizona ▲ ● ▼		Hey, so I just want to say, like, really just shout out to both of you guys.
		I'm a huge fan.
		Really liked the way that this conversation went because I was almost a little concerned on Twitter when I thought it was a good debate because I love you guys both.
		I started off listening to Alex Jones, moved on to listening to Nick Fuentez.
		Really, it's not much of a question.
		It's more of a comment.
		I just personally don't really understand why so much of the Trump base is giving him even like a shadow of a doubt.
		I mean, he's literally broken almost every fucking promise, at least since 2024, let alone 2016, right?
		And I feel like there's a level of almost like, like, they think that like eventually he'll like honor his promise and he'll live up to what he promised.
		And every time, like, how many fell for it again awards are they going to win before they realize that he's controlled opposition, in my opinion?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is where I could actually debate, Nick, and I appreciate your call.
		They dismantled border enforcement.
		They've scaled up.
		And yeah, it's less than Obama did and less than he did before because they didn't have the enforcement.
		They, from what I've seen, my sources, they're really trying to scale that up.
		So 96% shutdown on the border coming in, scaling up deportation.
		Is that really a fair attack on Trump?
		I mean, he is saying, oh, we're going to keep people here with, you know, for farming visas and things.
		So he has gone back there.
		But I mean, in general, is Trump really breaking his promise on the border, Nick?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		100%.
		Yeah.
		And the reason why, I mean, look, I agree with you.
		It's miraculous what he did at the border.
		Border crossings are like zero, which is unheard of.
		And that would have been good in 2017, but it's 2025.
		A lot of people don't have the perspective that you and I have.
		Illegal immigration was so bad then, 10 years ago, that we elected Trump.
		Then we had four years of Biden where 10 million people come in.
		Now they closed the border.
		That's too little, too late.
		He promised mass deportations.
		Closed border, that should have been a given.
		That should have been a given from the beginning.
		Now they've given us closed border.
		They promised mass deportations.
		We're six months in.
		They haven't even started.
		And they go, well, you know, that's going to happen later.
		I mean, when is that going to happen?
		And by the way, here's why people are concerned.
		Maybe you'd be willing to say, oh, well, it'll do it next year.
		They'll do it in a couple of years.
		Will they?
		In the middle of the midterms, Joe Rogan says, well, we only want the criminals out.
		The all-in podcast, the tech bros, they're going to say, we only want the criminals gone.
		Look, suffice to say, it ain't happening.
		So until it happens, people need to be pissed off and saying, look, close border.
		That was the promise you made in 17 that you never made good on.
		Now we're down 10 million illegals just under Biden.
		We got to get those numbers up.
		And until they start, and they lied.
		I mean, they started in the beginning of January.
		They said daily deportations, daily arrests.
		The numbers are going up.
		Then they stopped publishing the numbers because they're so bad.
		ICE has not published any deportation numbers since Trump got into office.
		They're literally suppressing the numbers because they're that bad.
unidentified		I hear you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I want to get to the last five calls.
		Great, great discussion here.
		Riley in California on the air.
		Question for Nick.
riley in california ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		Hello.
riley in california ▲ ● ▼		I would just like to ask Nick a question.
		So I'm just wanting to know why Nick took a $500,000 Bitcoin donation from a French Jew in 2020 and then immediately changed his viewpoints on Russia and things like that.
		So I just kind of don't want to know, Nick, what's going on with that?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, it was $250,000, actually.
		Now it's worth a lot more.
		It was 13.5 Bitcoin.
		If you want to know the truth about it, I've talked about it before.
		I didn't know the French donor.
		If you know anything about him, he was a computer programmer or a hacker.
		He had a degenerative neurological condition.
		By the way, all of this I found out in the news.
		I got two emails from him.
		In August of 2019, he sent me, or excuse me, of 2020.
		He sent me an email and said, hey, what's your Bitcoin address?
		I want to send you some money for your birthday.
		I gave it to him.
		He sent me a thousand bucks.
		December 8th, 2020, I get an email from him.
		He says, hey, I sent you some Bitcoin.
		I said, oh, cool.
		Check my wallet a couple of days later.
		It was quarter of a million dollars.
		I emailed him back.
		I said, yo, thank you so much.
		Let's get on a call.
		Never heard back.
		Then I find out through chainalysis, which is like, it's like a CIA-backed crypto investigative thing.
		They did research.
		They found it was some hacker and there was a, what do you call it?
		When a person dies.
		In France, they found out he killed himself in some hotel room.
		So I didn't know the guy, never talked to him.
		My position on Russia has always been the same.
unidentified		I don't know what position you're talking about, but I've got a $15 Bitcoin and they investigated me.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I never knew who gave it to me.
		So now I kind of get from the color.
		You work for Israel.
		I mean, that is preposterous.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's saying I work for Russia, but I mean, look, my position on Russia is a Jewish hacker.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's, yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Oh, and the guy wasn't even Jewish.
		He was French.
		So, but yeah.
		I mean, look, young up.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Young up, always going to him.
		I just love this stuff.
		What I say on air is what I am.
		I'm supported by listeners buying supplements and t-shirts.
		And Nick, you've got your supporters.
		This idea, it's like I said, the devil's biggest trick isn't that he doesn't exist.
		It's the second biggest.
		It's that independent people don't exist.
		No, I'm the captain of the ship.
		I think it's fair to say, Nick, you're the captain, you're owned ship.
		So I love these calls where like, oh, you really work for this person.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, and I'm with you.
		The reason I take the question is because I want to be transparent.
		People have questions about it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I give them the answer.
		We took the calls.
		We don't screen them.
		Just they have a clear phone call.
		We screen that.
		If their phone's bad, we hang up on them.
		But yeah, no, we love those questions.
		Just like this, like, oh, you got this.
		You got that.
		You can see the show, folks.
		You know what it is.
		A few more calls.
		We'll let Nick shut this down here.
		Appreciate everybody's time tonight.
		Joseph in Mississippi, then Jack, Sean, and Nick Weremos.
		Shut this down.
		Go ahead, Joseph, if you're on the air.
joseph in mississippi ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so you were talking about previously the future of like America with the disintegration of the Republican Democratic Party in the future.
		And even then, even with Trump being delusional as he is, he still has a 90% approval rating among the Republicans.
		My question is with the future.
		You know, we got J.D. Vance.
		He came out of nowhere from Ohio with obvious connections with Peter Thiel.
		I just want to know what you think about him, what bodes in the future for him.
		And, you know, in a few years, we may be talking about him just like we're talking about Trump right now.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I mean, I've met J.D. Vance.
		I've talked to him.
		Seems nice, articulate.
		Peter Thiel thing, I get, you know, his companies and Palantir and all that.
		I've not ever defended him.
		I'm just simply saying compared to Google and Microsoft and Amazon with a real spy net.
		Like, they're like, oh, Teal's inventing spying on you.
		It's like, no, he's like a foot-long alligator versus a hundred-foot-long one.
		So I mean, my deal is, is that the left's kind of attacked Teal, so it's become this big thing.
		We're kind of joining in.
		I'm like, I tacked Teal all day.
		I don't, you know, anything to do with him.
		My point is, what about Eric Schmidt?
		What about Sundar Pachai?
		What about, you know, that's what is your take on who the big bad, I mean, who's the head of the AI technocracy Nick Fuentes?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, the question's about Vance.
		I don't, I think Vance is their man.
		Whether they're the head of it or not, Vance is Peter Thiel's man.
		He's the man of all of the little tech, tech bros, the all-in podcast.
		He's their guy because it was Elon and Tucker.
		And it was Peter Thiel that called Trump and asked Trump to make him the VP.
		And Vance brought in all that money from Jacob Hellberg and from the all-in guys back in June of 2020, March and June of 2024.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		There's no doubt that Vance is a creature of the whole Palantir group.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I don't trust him.
		And I don't trust him because David Frum mentored him when he was at Yale.
		And David Frum said, this guy's going to run for president.
		And his superpower is his ability to connect with the white working class because of his story about Appalachia.
		And that's really what it is.
		It's like he is a brand that at one time was going to be critical of Trump.
		He said Trump was a Nazi.
		Then Trump won and Trump wasn't going away.
		So they rebranded and made him a nationalist.
		I don't trust him.
		I think he's a creature.
		I think he was grown in a laboratory.
		He is an entity.
		Vance is not even his name.
		We've disagreed about, I know, I think you like him more than I do, but I don't trust him at all.
		I think he is a spook.
		And I don't trust him even slightly to carry the movement forward.
		So I will not be voting for him.
		And we are going to be fighting that battle.
		That was one of the reasons that I was against Trump in 24.
		Once he chose Vance, I said, I'm out.
		Like that was the thing that did it for me officially because they're already trying to get Vance to run in 28.
		And social media seems to be more pro-Vance than it is pro-Trump on the right-wing side.
		Like people are being paid to be more pro-Vance than pro-Trump and they're astroturfing that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I talked to Vance.
		He was nice, told me the crazy part, like three months before they announced him, I've been to Detroit, go back to the rain room.
		He's there.
		And he goes, I go, I hear you're probably, you might be the nominee.
		He goes, I already got it.
		And I was just there like, so you're the, he goes, yeah, I'm a nominee.
		And I was like, okay, I didn't even go say it later because I didn't want to, but like very confident.
		Like he didn't tell me, don't tell people.
		He said, no, I've got the nomination.
		That's pretty wild.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I had heard that rumor pretty early on.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And yeah, it was just a weird choice because to me, that was so damning because it was supposed to be LaBoy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Why would he tell me?
		Yeah, I am the nominee.
		I mean, I was like, and Chase Geyser was right next to me.
		He saw it.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		What was the timeline?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		When did he tell you that?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It was whenever TPUSA had me up there to Detroit, like three months before he got announced, whatever it was.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so that was June, June of, yeah, that's interesting because they say Trump didn't make the decision until after he got shot at Butler.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Maybe 12 months before.
		Well, whenever TPUSA was in Detroit.
		And I was like, I was like, you just told a journalist you're the nominee.
		And I didn't say it because I was just like, it was so, I walked out of there.
		I was like, wow, that's really crazy.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Probably just trying to get that story out there.
		So it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
		If the media is a buzz, oh, Vance told me he's going to be the nominee.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Then it's sort of like in House of Cards, you know, but he also was like, oh, we're really going to look into Obama's stay-behind networks, the countering disinformation, foreign propaganda act, all that.
		So we had a discussion about it.
		I was like, hey, you got to hit him here.
		This is the enemy.
		You got to go after the NGOs.
		He's like, oh, yeah, don't worry.
		We are.
		So our main discussion was about cutting off NGO money.
		He's like, oh, yeah, we're on that.
		So I was just, you know, I was just like, oh, wow.
		I heard you probably the nominee.
		He goes, oh, I've got it.
		I'm a nominee.
unidentified		I was just like, that's interesting.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		True story, folks.
		Ask Jane Vance, I'll tell you.
		Jack in Wisconsin, a few more calls with Nick Fuentes.
		Go ahead, Jack.
godzilla in wisconsin ▲ ● ▼		Hi, I haven't heard either of you bring up the tweet at the time, but now X from Virginia Jeffrey, the Epstein victim.
		She was trafficked.
		She cleared Trump and said Trump was good and endorsed him for president.
		She was recently assassinated.
		And I think that's a good point that a good person.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, Nick said an hour ago, we've never seen any evidence of Trump involved.
		The question is, then why is he covering up?
		And that's for Israel and the CIA.
		Yeah, no, not just her, a bunch of other confirmed victims said they never saw Trump at the island or any of that.
		But go ahead and make your point, Jack.
godzilla in wisconsin ▲ ● ▼		And my question for you two, kind of on that same line for Mr. Fuentes, is that what do you think if he's holding back the evidence and the release because it has to deal with what other witnesses said dealing with shapeshifters and stuff, transdimensional demons, would it be worth releasing if that type of stuff was also exposed?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, if it contained something like that, I mean, it would be worth releasing.
		I don't think that's, I mean, you know, that's one of those things where, you know, if that exists, nobody knows.
		I mean, we can speculate about maybe it has UFOs and, yeah, transdimensional stuff.
		Who knows?
		But I tend to think the more likely explanations are terrestrial, terrestrial in nature, as opposed to supernatural.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I was told a year ago and six months ago and two months ago, and I've got all the White House calls and all the way.
		And I was told early on, it ain't getting released because the CIA and Mossad were running it.
		I mean, he had billions sucked out of his bank account if he died.
		So this debate about whether he was intelligence or not, and I don't lessen the human trafficking in young girls, but it was money laundering, weapons.
		I mean, Epstein was a Mossad agent.
		Anything else, Jack?
unidentified		Yeah.
godzilla in wisconsin ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I'm a big fan of you both.
		I was just bringing up how you talked to Tucker before, Alex, about him having hands put on the demon stuff.
		And I think maybe that was like, maybe it's just too much for people's mind to handle them.
		Minds would break.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, I hear you, Jack.
		Well, you know, they did get the footage that James O'Keefe got out.
		I don't know if you saw it, Nick, but it's like all this black magic stuff and black magic books.
		Did you see that inside the temple?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I did.
		Yeah, I did.
		I did see.
		And they had the whiteboard and everything like that.
		Yeah, they were all into that stuff.
		Same thing with spirit cooking.
		But, you know, I don't know that we can assume that it's because there's magic involved, that that's why they're not releasing it.
		I mean, who knows?
		Maybe we'll look like idiots if the, you know, the teleportation devices are revealed, you know, the UFOs come out.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what do you think of Trump a few months ago in his science head saying we control time and space?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		What was that?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Yeah, I did see that.
		I know what you're talking about, but I wouldn't read too much into that.
		I, you know, if that stuff is out there, you just can't assume it.
		You have to logically operate with Octam's razor and say, because who knows?
		I mean, maybe reality is not as it seems, but our working understanding has to be based on what we have evidence for, as opposed to, you know, maybe reading into these things.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
		It just shows how cuckoo stuff is.
		Sean in Atlanta, the Nick in Arizona, that's ever calls.
		Go ahead, Sean.
		Go ahead.
brian in arizona ▲ ● ▼		Hey, good evening, fellas.
		Hope you guys are well.
		Just want to say Christ is King.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Mary is the mother of God.
unidentified		We pray for the conversion of the Jews, all heretics and infidels.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that was it.
		Well, that was a good call.
		He yelled for like an hour to say that, Nick.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Based.
		Yeah, very based.
		We're glad we got that out of the way.
		We should have started with that at the beginning.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Nick in Arizona, you're a telegunner.
		Go ahead.
nick in arizona ▲ ● ▼		That last guy is going to be hard to follow.
		No, I'd like to ask you.
		It seems to me like the fundamental structure of the country has just absolutely collapsed.
		It's nowhere near what the founding fathers had in mind for the structure.
		We're too heavily dependent on the executive branch, and we keep hoping for a Hail Mary, someone to come in there, our hero, you know, to go in there and totally reshape something that I just think is not fixable.
		Is it maybe time to start thinking of some different options of now that we have this movement, these people have moved around during COVID, looking for more freedom?
		People with like-minded ideas are more concentrated in different parts of the country.
		I'd like your thoughts on maybe perhaps some sort of secessionist movement, what that would look like if that's a viable option.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right, Nick, thanks for the call.
		Nick Fundes, in closing, people are dumbed out on average.
		People are disconnected from reality.
		They don't know how to take care of themselves.
		Just big picture.
		What is your vision for humanity?
		Are you optimistic or how do you see things going?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Big picture, I think that we are about to enter a period of remarkable instability and change because of technology, the changing world order, the rise of China.
		And that means things are inherently unpredictable.
		It's like a Pandora's box.
		So I am very not optimistic about the near term.
		I think that between the new technology, which has dual use, the drones, the autonomous systems, the AI, I think it is going to be a miracle if we get on the other side of this next decade without a cataclysm, a cataclysmic world war, a nuclear war, an AI war.
		You know, we are really on the cusp of something that could be truly horrifying.
		So, you know, I think if in closing, I guess big, big picture, like super big picture, people need to zoom out because there's this big focus on race and religion.
		There's a big focus on, you know, Republicans and Democrats.
		But the big picture that no one's talking about is we are on the cusp of something we don't even understand, how it's going to affect mankind in every way, shape, and form.
		It's a true revolution.
		And so it's not to say those other things aren't important.
		They are, but it is causing people to take their eye off the ball that we something is big is around the corner and I just want to survive.
		You know, so you got to think in terms of what is durable, what is going to last, how to stay safe, because, you know, the next few years are going to be remarkably destabilizing.
		And when that happens, you typically get violence, famine, war.
		It reminds me very much of like the turn of the last century.
		So people really got to steal themselves, keep their faith in God is the most important thing anchored in that.
		Get some friends, get networked up, get some valuable, durable goods, you know, like gold, like Bitcoin, like, you know, stuff like that, and buckle up because I think it's really going to get a little shaky in the next few years.
		But if we're smart and play our cards right, a crisis can be an opportunity.
		There's risk and opportunity involved in a crisis.
		So I agree with you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So in closing, do you think does Trump get impeached if the Democrats win the House?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
		I think that is almost a guarantee at this point.
		If I had to put money on it, that's what I'd say.
		And I'm not telling people to do that like on polymarket, but I think that's what's going to happen.
		Yeah.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So in congressional hearings about Epstein, does Trump keep doubling down?
		I mean, how bad does that get?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		How Trump plays it is up to him, but I don't see him.
		If he hasn't done anything different yet, I don't think he'll do something different in the future.
		So I think he'll try to punt it.
		I think he'll try to pass the hot potato.
		And I think it's just going to become a big shit fest, just like the Ukraine thing, the Ukraine call, the Russia gate.
		He's never been particularly good at this stuff.
		So I think it's just going to be a big, ugly mess.
		And the whole thing is.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, the only thing that's going to be underlining is the Q-tards saying he was going to expose all the pedophile rings.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They don't know what to do now with this.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Are you sure?
		They still have their theories.
		I still get it on X. I still get people saying there is no yellow fringe on the flag today.
		You know what that means?
		And we're like, no, what is that?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, they're like, you know, he's going to bust the pedophiles and now they know what to do with this.
dave in arizona ▲ ● ▼		Right.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, that's good.
		I'm just saying, I think they're so disconnected from reality.
		I don't even think they're missing a beat.
		For them, they're just saying like, oh, it's going to happen tomorrow, you know?
		So, but yeah, that is, that's some upside for us, I guess.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Are there any good Republicans for leadership?
dave in arizona ▲ ● ▼		No, they're all, they're all rotten.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		They're all bad.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I don't like even one of them.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So your show is normally 9 p.m. every weeknight.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, 9 p.m.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Central, Monday through Friday on Rumble.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're simulcasting this, so we're going to go to a promo after this.
		And I'm going to end this because I've been up since 5 a.m.
		And I appreciate this discussion and debate.
		I think we've set the record straight on this.
		But since it's your show, too, Nick, you go ahead and close it out here with your final statement because you're hosting too.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, thank you very much.
		Yeah, it was great.
		I guess you were having me on.
		I was having you on.
		Great conversation.
		It was really good to have a little back and forth.
		And it's like you said on X, this is a productive discussion.
		You know, you've been on the money on this.
		So have I. So I think it's good to get information out there for the people.
		But that's going to do it for me.
		I'm on the air at Monday through Friday.
		I'll be reading super chats tomorrow.
		Check out Fuentes.store, AmericaFirst.plus.
		We have our brand new hats and subscription site is available now.
		So check it out.
		And for those that are watching on my end, I'll see you guys tomorrow.
		But thanks, Alex.
		Great joining you tonight.
		I'll talk to you later as well.
		Have a great night.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Yeah.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And the same goes, whether you agree with Nick or not, or whether you agree with me or not, you want independent media, support at thealximator.com.
		Crew, great job.
		Great discussion, great debate.
		And we're praying Trump course corrects.
		But all I can do is tell you what I really think.
		And better than Democrats, but that's not enough.
		So we got to hold Trump's feet in the fire.
		I'm not ready to throw him out like Nick is, but I am extremely concerned.
		Extremely concerned.
		But Trump's weakness is our weakness.
		It's just the weakness of what we've become.
		And we got to be stronger.
		We got to get the truth out.
		All right.
		Harrison Smith, 8 a.m. tomorrow.
		That's in nine hours from now.
		I'll be on 11 a.m.
		Central.
		Oh, Detroit at 3 p.m.
		Thank you so much for your support.
		God bless and good luck.
		All the guests, dozens of them, that have taken it within 45 minutes to an hour have varying degrees from extreme energy and feeling really great to fog lifting to just over the top crying.
		It feels so good.
		Cleans out the cells, just does incredible things.
		RFK Jr. loves it.
		We've got the strongest Old Mental Empire.
		But he's going on Owen in about 30 minutes because my show just ended and I forgot to do this.
		Don't forget when he's on Owen to tell us what he felt.
		And if he doesn't feel it, we'll put that out.
		So sure, go ahead and take a half drop or so.
		That's about a half dose.
		And then go ahead and shut that down.
		And then we're going to find out what happens to you.
		We'll see.
unidentified		Most people, it hits within about 30 minutes for speaking after a couple hours.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But just tell people what you think.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And if you don't feel it, we're going to tell everybody.
unidentified		20 minutes later.
stewart rhodes ▲ ● ▼		I can feel a definite, like an energy spike.
stewart rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it feels pretty good.
unidentified		What are you going to do now?
unidentified		Or energy spike?
stewart rhodes ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to see if it has a crash.
unidentified		I've never heard of a crash.
stewart rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, apparently it doesn't.
		But yeah, it feels pretty good.
		Yeah, definitely feels sharper.
unidentified		Okay.
stewart rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was pretty tired coming in here.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Well, you're running around Texas right now.
stewart rhodes ▲ ● ▼		You're dealing with some other issues.
		I was driving all over Texas giving speeches for True Texas Project.
		So did he give you the drink or the capsules?
		I took the drink, but I got a bottle of each, and I'm going to go and do a longer-term test.
		We'll see how it goes.
unidentified		Okay.
stewart rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do feel kind of amped right now.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Several weeks later.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You just saw an ad for Methylene Blue.
		You were here a few weeks ago, and I do this with every guest, more than 50 of them now.
		Every person has had clarity, energy, a fog lift is the most common.
		But what's really good is the long-term effects for your stamina, your energy, your libido, how hard you can work out.
		It's amazing.
		So I had forgotten when he was coming in, we gave him a bottle because he loved it.
stewart rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Almost gone.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I had forgotten to ask you if you listened to it long-term.
		So just briefly, tell people the short-term effect.
		And then now a few weeks later, the long-term effect.
stewart rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it gives you a good energy boost.
		I use it before I work out.
		So if I'm going to be doing kettlebell workouts, I do some methylene blue about a half hour before.
		And it just gives you mental focus.
		I don't crash afterwards.
		That's good stuff.
		I need some more.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, give me some.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		How fast did it kick in?
stewart rhodes ▲ ● ▼		About 15, 20 minutes.
stewart rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Take about a half hour before I work out.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And then you're saying you're almost out of the bottle.
		Was that three weeks ago?
		A month ago?
stewart rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, something like that.
stewart rhodes ▲ ● ▼		You gave me the liquid and the pills too.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You're almost out of both.
stewart rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, almost out of both.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my goodness.
		Well, all right.
		I'll give you more.
		For the audience, we can't give it to everybody.
		We need your support at the authorstory.com.
		For me personally, the first week I got on it, now four or five months ago, I actually sort of hurt myself because the workouts were so crazy.
		My trainer goes, Dude, what's going on?
		Like three days into it, I don't know.
		I just, I was like lifting way more, going way harder.
		And then I got really exhausted after about a week because the same thing happened to Rob Dew, who's a great long-distance, you know, bike rider.
		So he's quite the athlete.
		He said he was biking so hard up hills and stuff that he actually had to pull over because, you know, his heart was going crazy.
		I mean, this stuff's wild.
stewart rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's good.
		I like it better than doing like a five-hour energy shot because those will make you crash afterwards.
		This doesn't have the crash.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So you've had no crash.
		It's not a stimulant.
		It just skips the oxidization process somehow.
stewart rhodes ▲ ● ▼		So I've been using it while I'm out there doing search and rescue.
stewart rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm almost out.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You're saying you love it for working out.
		Has it gotten better over time or what long-term thing have you felt?
		Or if nothing?
stewart rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think the main thing is, is it gives me a better workout, and that has good results over time.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, for sure.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That's what I found without even knowing.
unidentified		Yeah.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And then O'Keefe's like, oh, it made my vision better.
		And Rob Dew goes, we have a bunch of callers already saying that.
		Did you see these studies about it like curing glaucoma?
		And I'm not going to say, we're not selling it's a drug.
		I'm not saying it's going to do that.
		I'm like, God, this stuff's crazy.
		No, they don't want you to know about it.
		It's like avermectic.
stewart rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Right, exactly.
stewart rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Old school stuff.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But you can't take it of your own SSRIs.
		And folks, it's so strong.
		Talk to your doctor first.
		It's just not a game.
		Ours is really strong.
		If you'll just try it, you'll be hooked.
		And we can fund the operation.
		It's a win-win.
		We'll be right back with Stuart Rhodes.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
rizza islam ▲ ● ▼		I'll say this.
		See, this is the beauty when we deal with actual facts.
		I'll go straight to the United States government policy.
		You have what's called the National Security Study Memorandum 200, also known as NSSM 200, which was authorized, written under Dr. Henry Kissinger, who was the 32nd Secretary of State under President Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford.
		Pardon me, documentation.
		Now, this is all we go straight to what the U.S. government has stated.
		He stated, quote, depopulation should be the highest priority of U.S. foreign policy towards the third world, end quote.
		They literally stated in this documentation that we need to get rid of two to three billion people on planet Earth.
		Outside of that, you have something called Global 2000, which was also authorized under Jimmy Carter, outlining how food can be used as a weapon.
		Outside of that, you have someone by the name of Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was a former advisor to President Jimmy Carter, who stated, quote, in earlier times, it was easier to control a million people than to physically kill a million people.
		He said, but now it is infinitely easier to kill a million people than it is to control, end quote.
zbigniew brzezinski ▲ ● ▼		It was easier to control a million people.
		Literally, it was easier to control a million people than physically to kill a million people.
		Today, it is infinitely easier to kill a million people than to control.
rizza islam ▲ ● ▼		So what you're dealing with is the food, the air, the water, reproductive services planned, parenthood, and all these different arenas are being used to go towards an effort of getting rid of human beings, black, white, and all in between, by the billions.
larry grathwohl ▲ ● ▼		I asked, well, what is going to happen to those people that we can't re-educate, that are die-hard capitalists?
		And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated.
		And when I pursued this further, they estimated that they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these re-education centers.
		And when I say eliminate, I mean kill.
david rockefeller ▲ ● ▼		The negative impact of population growth on all of our planetary ecosystems is becoming appallingly evident.
bill gates ▲ ● ▼		Now, the world today has 6.8 billion people.
		That's headed up to about 9 billion.
		Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15%.
rizza islam ▲ ● ▼		But at this point, they are looking at the reality that people are waking up too fast.
rizza islam ▲ ● ▼		They didn't expect us to wake up too fast, hence social media being a problem, a gift and a curse.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I've studied the pieces.
		We've got the owner's manual.
		We've got the blueprint.
		And let me tell you, it ain't pretty.
		UN climate change official says we should, quote, make every effort to depopulate the planet, close quote.
		There is pressure in the system to go towards that.
		We should do everything possible to carry that out.
		I mean, these people are totalitarians.
		It's eugenics.
		It's depopulation program.
		That's why this is the biggest subject that we could possibly cover.
		It's the reality.
		And so you think about that, and you think about what's going on long and hard.
		You better look into it, folks.
		You better find out it's real, okay?
		You think you're freaked out by this?
		I know why a lot of you are in denial.
rizza islam ▲ ● ▼		So now that we're waking up so quickly, they didn't expect the masses of humanity to rise up, wake up, become aware of what this government's agenda is.
		And because of that, now they're trying to figure out exactly how to get rid of people.
		They said these white folks is waking up.
		They're coming against us, their government.
		Black folks waking up.
		They're coming against us.
		So now at this point, they're like, well, just get rid of them all.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm only as strong as you are backing me.
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