Alex Jones and Nick Fuentes debate abandoning Trump over Epstein file handling, alleging CIA and Israeli cover-ups involving Gislane Maxwell. They identify Susie Wiles, John Ratcliffe, and J.D. Vance as villains while discussing Israel's West Bank attacks and Russia's drone superiority in Ukraine. The conversation shifts to depopulation theories, citing David Rockefeller and Bill Gates' population projections alongside NSSM 200 documents, before Jones promotes Methylene Blue supplements and an almostchiefstore.com sale. Ultimately, the episode frames global instability as a coordinated effort to eliminate humanity through eugenics and technological acceleration. [Automatically generated summary]
And now they're running around with the Justice Department meet with Gislane Maxwell.
It looks bad.
But people taking what I've said out of context when I'm wargaming this, because I think they would have used information against Trump if they had it before.
With that said now, the jury's out on Trump.
The jury's in on the Democrats and Epstein Island and Bill Gates and Larry Summers and all the rest of it.
So I'm not an apologist for Trump.
All I get is persecuted and attacked for supporting President Trump.
And I've seen clips of Nick.
I played it earlier before he came on.
And I'm not saying it's a wrong critique, but out of context, you could see it.
No, I'm looking for the truth.
And my issue is, do we throw out Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Tulsi Cabard and all the good things that are happening?
If stuff comes out that he's screwing kids with Trump, of course, I'm going to expose it.
I mean, I'm not tied to that wagon.
But in the larger issue, is the Epstein issue the only issue?
And it's not like Nick Fuentez just came out and said, I'm against Trump now.
He said it a year and a half ago.
He was a big supporter early on.
So I met him nine years ago.
And I think Nick's a smart guy.
I agree with most of the things he says.
I disagree with Trump.
So we are having a large discussion.
You call it a debate here.
But I want to be 100% clear.
I will go where the facts lead.
I'm not an apologist for Trump.
But at the same time, we need to recognize that the Democrats and the ADL and the Republicans joining him do not want this discussion.
They do not want Nick Jay Fuentez on Rumble.
They do not want Alex Jones on X or Infowars.
They do not like this tonight because they don't want you to hear a real unfiltered discussion.
Because I sent Nick a text like last Tuesday and said, will you come on debate?
He said, yeah, how about next Wednesday night?
I said, great, we're doing it.
That's the only discussions we've had.
All right.
And so this isn't some scripted debate.
This is a real discussion.
And it's not about who's smarter.
And it's not about, I don't mind all that stuff.
Nick's 26 years old, super smart.
I thought he was smart when I first met him nine years ago.
That's why I have Nick on.
He's a great interview.
He's great for the show.
I've got a big show.
He's a big show.
It's not about personalities.
To me, it's about really figuring out what's happening.
But to open the debate, and I'll give the floor for the next 10 minutes, I want to be clear.
If you actually watch my show, I'm not running defense for Trump.
I don't know what the truth is.
I'm completely freaked out.
I've said Trump's acting insanely guilty.
And I've only wargamed every angle of this trying to figure out what's going on because I do a four-hour show and the Democrats ran stuff nationwide saying I've turned on Trump 23 days ago.
I don't care about being on CNN and ABC and NPR and every other channel.
Those people don't listen to me anyways.
But they take little 10-second clips out of context.
It's these type of issues where I can tell the listeners I don't know.
So, Nick, you've got the floor to say whatever you want here.
I'm going to shut up for about 10 minutes because I've been talking for about five.
And then I'm going to ask you the question after that.
Maybe you can address it now.
Okay, we can send Trump to Mars.
What comes next?
Is this accelerationism?
If Kamala was there, would that be better?
Maybe it would because it pisses off more.
I just don't know.
So this is one of the few issues where I will tell listeners, I don't know.
And all I can do is wargame each scenario.
And I would just ask people to realize, if you see a 30-second club, actually go see what I said because I will then say something completely different because I'm wargaming and don't know.
So Nick is simulcast on Rumble, Nick J. Fuentes and on X. Great to have you, Nick.
Yes, well, you know, we did promote this as a debate and we hyped it up and everything, but I agree with you.
I think it is more fruitful as a discussion because like you, I think me and the audience, we're trying to get to the truth.
We want to know what is really going on here.
And I also agree with you that we don't know.
That's sort of the nature of it.
That's why people have a problem.
We just don't know because the government is not releasing the files.
And this Epstein scandal has been like many of the other scandals concerning the deepest and most sordid types of corruption.
It's concealed.
It's hidden.
There is not government transparency.
And without transparency, there can't be accountability.
And so all of this is happening inside of the shadows.
Now, that gets to my biggest criticism of Trump.
And, you know, you said this a moment ago, and I understand where you're coming from.
You say, are there other issues besides the Epstein issue?
I've heard a lot of people say this.
They say that for the MAGA base, which I consider myself a part of, even though I didn't vote for Trump on the demographic, if the MAGA base is in revolt over the Epstein files, people say, are you throwing out the baby with the bathwater?
What about The secure border?
What about the progress that's being made, as you say, by RFK Jr., by Tulsi Gabbard, the good things that are happening at the administration?
Is it worth it?
In other words, people say if he's failing on one narrow issue like Epstein, which people say realistically doesn't actually affect people's daily lives, they say, is that a mistake?
Now, my position is that you can't compartmentalize these issues.
Contrary to that take or that defense, I don't think you're capable.
I don't think it's possible to separate and cordon off the Epstein issue and say that's over here and immigration and foreign policy and the rest of it is over there.
Because the proposition of the first Trump campaign going back 10 years ago in 2016, or even in 2015, when Trump ran in the primary, he said that the reason that our politicians had failed us over 30 years on both sides, Republican side, Democrat side, the right and the left, he said is not for a lack of trying, not for lack of will.
He said it's because the system has failed us.
It's because of corruption.
They can't deliver a real victory because they're not beholden to the people.
Instead, they're beholden to foreign interests, special interests, donors, political PACs.
And there was a suggestion of blackmail.
There's a suggestion of a shadow operation happening behind the scenes.
So why do we get these policies that are bad for America, like free trade, foreign wars, mass migration?
They said, well, it's because the politicians are not really the ones running the country.
They're not running the country on behalf of the voters or the people, but rather they're being controlled by the money or the intelligence agencies or by some shadow element, the nature of which we don't fully understand.
Now, he said, in contravention of all of this, I will run and I will deliver the real victories.
I will reverse all the policies because I'm not controlled by those interests.
And there was this foil with him and Hillary Clinton.
Hillary Clinton personified that system.
And she did come from the Democrat side, but she personified realistically both sides, the Bush dynasty, the Clinton dynasty, the Republicans, the Democrats, the Dennis Hasterts, and the Bill Clintons.
Hillary Clinton was the epitome of corruption and the epitome of globalism.
And so at 16, you have this proposition of, I'm going to run with no foreign influence, no blackmail.
I'm going to fight the corruption and then deliver the victory.
Now, fast forward 10 years later, and Trump seems to be covering up what is really the scandal of all scandals.
It's the worst kind of scandal.
It's got every negative attribute involved.
It's children.
It's sexual trafficking.
It's blackmail.
It's foreign intelligence.
It's billionaire oligarchs.
And you say, if Trump is covering that up, we lose faith in him.
He loses all credibility as that leader, as that Caesar-like leader, this once-in-a-generation figure leading a once-in-a-generation populist movement.
It strips it of that character.
And to get a lot, maybe a lot of this is rhetoric.
Let's make it more concrete.
If Trump is burying the Epstein files, which we don't know the information because that's exactly what's happening.
And we'll get into that, I'm sure, as the night progresses.
But if Trump is burying these Epstein files and we can't trust him, it leads to questions like, why are we not getting mass deportations?
Why are we getting a war with Iran?
The timing of all this is a little conspicuous too.
Is it because there's maybe more to the story?
Do we have to draw a negative inference that he's covering these things up because he's named in them, because he's a participant in them?
He's compromised by them in some way.
Is that why we're not getting what's delivered?
And how can we trust that he will deliver in the future?
So to answer maybe the big defense of Trump, and I agree with you, we have to steel man the other position.
We may not even agree with it.
We might state it simply to entertain it.
If the pro-Trump side is saying, if their argument is, well, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
The Epstein thing is a narrow, singular issue.
If that's the primary defense, I would have to say it's not good enough because if he's named in these files, then everything is compromised.
Everything is touched and poisoned by the corruption.
And when this cover-up is going on, unfortunately, we cannot assume that he is not touched by it.
We actually have to draw a negative inference.
That's sort of the whole point.
And I, like you, I actually don't believe that Trump is necessarily guilty.
I think that is a assumption.
I think that's an inference.
I don't even think it's necessarily true that Trump was on the island or that Trump was raping kids or that there's a videotape of Trump.
I don't think that's even likely.
But when he has covered it up in the way that he has, and as he's dug this hole deeper and deeper, having the DOJ cover it up, asking the FBI to look for his name, they told him his name was in there.
Now he says his name was planted in there.
He says the whole thing's a hoax.
You actually have to draw a negative inference and assume if he's covering it up, there must be something there.
If there wasn't something there, they would release the files.
And so that's why I think this entire thing has disqualified him completely.
I don't think it's one narrow issue, a singular issue among others.
And even if it were, it's not a minimal issue.
I think it touches everything.
And I think the very nature of these types of cover-ups, the nature of the opacity, the fact that it's opaque, the fact that we cannot see through it, the fact that it's been covered up and there's been a deception, there's been an active cover-up, an attempt to change the subject and lie about the nature of it.
We actually have to draw a negative inference and we actually have to assume that there is something damning in there.
That's why we're not getting it.
And if that's the case, then that means he's corrupt and he's in on it with the rest of them.
Now, I want to answer the question you said at the end because that's actually super important.
And I'll sort of treat this like an opening statement.
Well, and to your point about what comes next, because that's a very good question.
A lot of people wonder if Trump is failing, or that's the perception on many of these issues, like the foreign policy, like immigration, like the Epstein cover-up.
Question is, well, what comes next?
Are we at the mercy of the left now?
Are we supposed to now just be buried under Zoron Mandanis and Kamala Harris's and race communists and Sharia law and this sort of Thing.
What I would say about Trump is this simple adage: when you come at the king, you can't miss.
And what does that mean?
Obviously, we all understand what that means.
It means that when you come for the king, you have to finish the job.
You cannot take half measures.
It's actually worse to take a half measure because if you come at the king and you miss, all you do is make the king mad.
And the king has an army and the king has power.
So if Trump, and when I say the king, of course, I'm not even referring to Trump.
I'm referring to this left-wing political system.
If Trump has been coming at the king for 10 years with the 16 campaign, with January 6th, with the revenge campaign in 24, if that is a 10-year campaign going after the king and he's missing over and over, failing to purge the bureaucracy, failing to implement Project 2025, failing to fire 50,000 employees, have the mass deportations.
If it's this slow, if it's so unambitious, if he's already compromising and walking back and people are having to come up with defenses for it, well, what are we doing?
All we're doing is pissing off the people that really run the world.
And if you miss, they get the next reply and they're going to come after all of us hard.
Trump, you, me, the supporters, the people in the administration.
We learned that the hard way after January 6th.
You know, in a way, we kind of already did this in the first term.
Trump came at the king, was not equipped, did not have the personnel, did not have the expertise.
There's arguments about what went wrong, but needless to say, it didn't work.
And so they came back and it was revenge of the Sith.
It was Empire Strikes Back.
They came down hard with the vaccine mandate, with the DOJ on the J Sixers, with your law fair, with the law fair against Ricky Vaughn, against many people.
We came at the king.
We missed.
The king cracked down hard.
Here we are again.
And it feels like deja vu all over again.
We're coming at the king, coming at the establishment.
And people say, well, you know, what about immigration enforcement?
What about these other good things that are happening?
I would argue we're six months in.
I don't know anybody that's satisfied.
Now, people may be defending Trump and saying, hey, the best is yet to come.
We passed the big beautiful bill.
We got the funding.
And now in the next six months, we'll wrap up deportations.
In the second half of the term, that's when things are really going to get underway.
I would argue if we didn't hit the ground running, if we don't come at it with seriousness and guns blazing, if we're playing catch up six months in, a year out of the midterms, it's not going to happen.
They will delay.
They will procrastinate.
They will sabotage.
They'll throw up roadblocks like they did before.
And what's going to happen is when we run out the clock at the end of this term, it's going to be the same thing, except the left is going to come back even harder and even more severe.
And I question then, what good were the half measures if all they did was invite this reprisal?
So that's why I really am an extreme skeptic.
I know you're skeptical too.
I've watched your show and we did hype it up and I said, I'm going to confront you.
But if you watch your show, you've been critical and you've talked about the Israeli element.
No one can say you haven't been honest if they watch your show.
I know you're a critic and a skeptic as well.
I'm probably more skeptical and have been far more critical.
We both want the truth, but I think we're both kind of mapping out Trump has put both of us in a predicament and the whole country.
How do we now get out of it?
That's really the question.
So that's kind of where I'm at.
And for the purpose of this debate or conversation, we can dispense with the rhetoric and just speak in practical terms.
Where do we go from here?
Because like you said, we're very short on answers and it's left us with a lot of questions.
And then I watched him 24 days ago literally come out and say through that memo, don't investigate.
He killed himself.
It wasn't even trafficking.
There was his co-conspirators in jail for it.
And then they said, I got attacked by all the MAGA influencers saying you're a traitor.
And then Trump comes two days later.
Yeah, I'm behind it.
Shut it down.
So I'm in full horror mode.
Let me ask you this question.
So I'm not going to spend 10 minutes countering back here.
I really want to hear what you have to say.
How could Trump, even he was raping kids, which you said, there's no evidence of that.
It's obviously the CIA Masadis made a deal.
That's what I've been told by the White House.
They're like, hey, we got to make a deal with National Security.
I'm just telling you, folks, that's what it is.
At least that's what they told me.
That makes sense.
Why then would they bring attention to it and behave like this?
Well, he's 79.
He has been in nine years basically as the president.
I couldn't handle this at 51.
And the truth is, is that Trump doesn't give up.
He doesn't break down, but he cracks up.
And from my sources, and I don't say this meanly, folks, I just can't lie to the audience.
He can't handle the pressure.
And instead of having, you know, Democrat operatives at his White House, he now has Israelis.
And look, I'm the guy that always said China's the main issue, the EU, the globalist, BlackRock.
Because Israel controlled our foreign policy Middle East, but they weren't from all my research the dominant groups.
I was just said what I knew.
But now in this power vacuum, Israel is bragging in their newspapers that they're the superpower.
They control Trump.
Well, how do they control Trump?
And we know Epstein is Mossad, Maxwell's dad, all of them.
And from the best intel I have, Trump shut this down for that.
And now he's pissed because the Democrats turned around, even though Trump made a deal and are bringing it up.
And that's what he's doing.
And he's walked into a trap.
So now he's trying to kind of extricate.
So it's a nightmare.
And so listen, my listeners want me to go on Trump.
I don't do what my listeners want.
I do what I think's best.
But at this point, I don't even know what to do because my enemies want to put me in prison.
And we know they're child molesters and let the border open.
We know they're bad.
And then now Trump's this big thing.
And all I can say is Trump rode in on the populist wave and populist winning everywhere.
So we should not put all our eggs in his basket.
But I'm also trying to decide: okay, do I want the Democrats to win the House?
Trump needs to indict them for crossfire hurricane.
He needs to release the Epstein files.
He needs to stop listening to the CIA or he's doomed.
I mean, I think that is clear to me that like you said, you don't shoot at the king once and miss and then barely survive.
He's gotten a second shot and we've got to take them down.
He's got to do that.
And so I think it's existential.
If Trump doesn't go to full war and actually do something, then by extension, he's giving it to the bad guys.
And so I think really, at the end of the day, it's all about action because America will forgive him for whatever this is if he backs away from it and indicts them for other things they've done that are cut and dry.
But if they don't, but that's a whole other discussion, Nick.
Let's talk about what Trump should do, but also what is the way out of this?
Because I'm like pissed at Trump.
And then I look over there and I'm like, literal shark take of piranha is ready to eat me in the country.
And I am, I'm actually gearing the headlights at this point because I'm just like, I mean, this is a nightmare scenario.
It's hard to say what is going to happen next because, you know, I was going to say, we are in a way stuck.
We are stuck with Trump for the next four years.
And when I say stuck, I mean, whether you think it's good or bad, he's the president and he's in this incontestable position.
That was sort of the aspect of it that was very concerning to me, which is that if you have Kamala Harris, she has no legitimacy.
So a lot of people like to think, well, if Kamala won, what would that have looked like?
Obviously, it would not have been as good.
The economy wouldn't be as good.
The border wouldn't have been as good.
And that's obvious.
But what was less concerning to me about Kamala against all of that is that she was a lot less stable.
And not by that, I don't mean mentally.
I mean that she had no legitimacy as a ruler because she didn't win the Democrat primary fair and square and never did.
She didn't, nobody would believe she won the general election.
If she won, no one would accept that that was a fair and square deal.
And so the regime would have been a lot less stable and would have had a lot less leeway.
What I fear with Trump is that he has this cult-like status within the GOP.
And when you look at the approval ratings over the past month, he has been declining with independents.
He's hit a low with Democrats as always.
But his approval with Republicans has been remarkably stable.
It's been stabilized at just under 90% approval, even in spite of everything, in spite of bombing Iran, in spite of floating the amnesty deal, in spite of the Epstein files.
And so you say to yourself, where do we go from here?
What do we do next?
We're in this sort of intractable position where there's nothing we can do because he's there and no one can challenge him.
He steamrolled Congress to get the BBB.
He steamrolled many of the people in the primary throughout this whole process.
And so you say, if Trump is failing us, if he's failing as a guy, and I agree with you, there's some sympathy with it.
You don't say it to be mean.
You don't say it even necessarily to be critical, but just descriptively, this is an old man.
He has been fighting for a long time.
He is tired.
And you can see that he can't handle it.
You can see that it is a crackup, that he cannot handle these questions.
And you watch these press conferences, these interviews.
It's extraordinary the way he keeps digging, the way he gets asked about it and puts his foot in his mouth with this sort of, oh, well, we need to just stop thinking about that.
And it's a Democrat hoax.
And you say, how is it even possible that he's fumbling this hard?
So much so that people are saying maybe it's calculated because it is not possible to mess it up this bad.
And you could speculate about his health or something like that.
But just suffice to say, he's not handling this well.
But he also is immovable.
And what's more is, and we talked about this the last time, there's this exuberance.
And that really scared me when he came into office.
And by scared, I don't want to sound like a resistance liberal or something, you know, but a year ago, I was concerned about this Trojan horse thing.
He's going to take all the Republicans with him.
Anything he'll do will have his imprimatur of credibility.
90% of Republicans will support it no matter what.
But then he gets into office, then he wins the election.
And you see a Trump that is unchained, where he's like, we're going to take Canada.
We're going to take Greenland.
We're going to take Panama.
We're going to go to war with Russia.
We're going to go to war with China.
And you're like, this is a guy that is not handling it well.
He's incontestable.
And he's totally exuberant, has this like God complex situation.
And so we're kind of strapped in for the next three years.
And, you know, I would say eight years ago, what I would have said, what is our course of action?
I would have said, we have to fight for the personnel.
We got to get a new chief of staff.
We got to get Susie Wiles out.
We got to get control of the White House, wrest control of it from the bad personnel, get the good advisors in.
But we did that already.
And even now, I don't think it's possible.
I think that this is just how it's been the entire time.
And, you know, Trump, if he knows, he knows how to get in touch with you.
He knows how to get in touch with all these people that are critical.
He won't do it.
You know, and by the way, the people that are at the FBI, it's Cash Patel, it's Dan Bongino, it's Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr., Elon Musk was on The team.
So you would say, who would he call to get him out of the mess?
Who would be the dream team personnel that could steer the ship away from the rocks?
Well, they're already kind of there.
I mean, what could we have better?
You know, if we're thinking about MAGA personnel that you could plug in that could solve the problem that represents the base, could you do much better than Cash Patel and Dan Bongino?
Could you do much better than Vivek?
And not to say that these are the best people ever, but these are pretty MAGA people.
These are pretty outside the system people to bring in.
So there's a real understanding in this administration that we're it.
We're in charge.
This is the way it is.
And the fact that I get these calls like the top of the administration and they're just cutting dry.
What do you want?
And I'm just like, uh-huh.
And again, the horror of Hakeem Jeffries and Pocahontas is right there.
And that's why I'm in this paradox where I'm like, whoa.
And so I mean, I feel disaster.
I'm going to be honest with the viewers.
I have nothing I can do, but to tell the truth.
I am just in a nightmare because the Democrats are pure satanic scum.
We know who they are.
And you've got all this delusions of grandeur.
People that know Trump well say it's beyond megalomania.
He does not care.
He does whatever he wants, which is good to not care about Democrats.
He doesn't even respond to their attacks anymore because he literally doesn't care and thinks he's invincible.
And now he's negotiating with Russia and China and North Korea and Iran.
And just a week ago had a meeting with Zelensky and said, maybe we'll give you heavy bombs to bomb Moscow.
And now they may overthrow Zelensky.
So you get this idea that it's like this swirling crazy town.
And you have last week, the CI director at that meeting they had, the cabinet meeting, and Ratcliffe literally leans back and goes, like demoning out in the meeting.
And I'm just like, I'm like literally looking at places to run to in the southern hemisphere for nuclear war.
And look, he's going to be the president for the next few years and he will deliver some tangible benefits.
It's not all bad from a policy point of view.
He has closed the border and maybe there can be some effort that's being made on debanking and free speech.
I would say that is one of the great net positives, even though he didn't even really deliver that.
I would argue that was more Elon Musk.
Actually, with Trump, it's the reverse.
They're going to bring back TikTok, but now there's going to be censorship.
And I don't know if you saw, but they just negotiated this deal where they're going to have a new footnotes feature on TikTok where it's like a fact check.
It's like the fake news thing that Facebook did.
So, you know, there may be some more leeway in terms of free speech.
I've heard there might be some better regulations for debanking.
That might go away.
This reputational harm might be eliminated as a consideration from the Federal Reserve for banks.
There will be good trade deals.
I think some of the trade deals, like with the European Union, like with these Asian countries, there will be some tangible benefits.
With that being said, Trump is still a lame duck.
He is a lame duck president.
And many of the aspects of this presidency, they're just not living up to what needs to happen.
And there's no future for him politically.
I don't even think if he was eligible to run, we would want to vote for him yet another time in 2028.
So like I said last year, I think what the MAGA base has to do is sort of recognize we still need to use what we can get out of this.
You know, maybe we could have people work in the White House.
There's many Groipers that are in this administration that are building their resumes.
That's a good thing.
People should still be doing that.
And there are people like you and I that are benefiting from the free speech renaissance on Rumble, on X. We will benefit from that and from the debanking regulations.
But separately, at the same time, we have to start to imagine, to your point, that question, what do you want?
What do we want after Trump?
Because when he leaves office and most likely pardons himself, you and I will still be here picking up the pieces.
And even to the extent that we criticize Trump or have criticized Trump, it will make no difference when the left persecutes us.
So even though I didn't vote for him, even though you've been fair and objective and critical, it will make no difference when the Democrats come in and clap back on all of us, on the entire right wing, and we will not get a presidential pardon.
So we'll be sweeping up after him one way or the other.
We have to start to think, what is our lives?
What is our political movement?
What is MAGA, the populist America first movement?
What will it be when Trump sunsets?
And I think he's already in a meaningful way sunsetted.
There's just nothing new there.
It's not dynamic.
It's not progressive.
It's not forward thinking.
It's just sort of static and waiting to be resolved, waiting for him to exit stage left.
We have to start to think in 2028: what is the next phase?
What is the next booster rocket after Trump decouples?
But I don't think that's a bad thing because the left has been disintegrated by Trump.
Trump has utterly defeated them.
It's sort of like the Soviet Union, like Trump matching them and just being tough and outlasting them.
They have sort of killed themselves with wokeism, with the purity spiral, with the inherent contradictions.
They are disintegrated.
They are just not an effective operation right now.
You see this with like Corey Booker giving this ridiculous speech.
Like that's their guy.
Bernie Sanders seems to be the only one with the doctrine.
He's 90 years old.
Zoron Mamdani wants to do socialism.
It's not working.
But now the right is also disintegrating due to the contradictions of Trumpism.
So it's like Trump has killed the left.
He's also now killing the right, such that on the left, you have this progressive liberal split.
On the right, you have a split now with the Silicon Valley people hopping off, the anti-war people hopping off, the Q conspiracy people hopping off.
Like the whole thing's coming apart.
And now that Elon is talking about a third party, an America party that's based on center-right common sense policy, it's going to be free speech, H-1Bs, this sort of thing.
It's creating an opening.
The first act, you know, according to the Kabbalists in creation, they say, is to create an opening.
I'm not a Kabbalist, by the way, but this is what they say.
They say the first act is to create an opening, a container.
And I was such a believer that Trump needed to lose for that to happen.
Maybe he needed to win for that to happen.
But now that Trump is sort of crashing and burning, new options are coming forward.
Powerful people like Elon and Tucker are articulating alternative pathways forward.
There is now just like for the first time, a wide open playing field.
In 16, it was like Clinton and Bush.
Those were your options.
Trump scattered the ashes of the Bush dynasty, defeated the Clintons, defeated the Obamas, defeated the Bidens.
Now it's just like a wide open playing field after all this.
I don't want to be mean to Trump, but his advisors, people very close to him, have told me last year, they go, it's beyond megalomania.
He literally thinks he's invincible and he's delusional now.
And I'm being honest with viewers right now.
And they're very concerned.
And now you see it.
The fact that he thought they could put a memo out, which he wrote, which he had written, which I told people day one, they said, oh, you're a traitor.
No, it's Pamboni.
No, it was him.
He admitted it later.
To say he killed himself.
He acted alone.
There was no human trafficking.
There are no files.
It is suicidal politically, but it came out of his grandiose, extreme arrogance.
And I get under pressure, this is what he turned into because how could you deal this pressure and not stop?
So, you know, Nick, it's very paradoxical.
And every time I sit there and look at this horror, I then look at Hakeem Jeffries and Pocahontas and AOC and Elon Omar.
And I just go, okay, I'm happy to cut Trump loose.
My listeners want me to.
And it feels good.
But then I go, what is the second order response when I look at World War Z zombie army?
Well, what they don't like about you is that you are an independent media outlet.
You have too big of a studio, too big of an operation, too big of an audience.
They want to control that.
I think with me, I never had an operation as big as yours.
We get into it at different times and different circumstances and things like that.
I think what they fear about me, and I've seen it even on TikTok the other day, there was like this liberal kid and he goes, the left is not talking about the rise of Nick Fuentes and that's a problem.
The left is starting to like Nick Fuentes because he criticizes Trump.
And I hate saying my own name.
I think it sounds like narcissistic.
But what they fear about me is that what I am proposing is a novel and truly reactionary alternative to what we get even from the GOP.
You know, in 16, they used to say, and maybe you remember this, but in 15 and 16, they would say they hated Ted Cruz more than Trump because they said Ted Cruz was a true believer.
He's a true radical, a true.
Now, I don't think that's true, but there is this premise that they never feared Trump as much because they recognized that Trump was a deal maker, would make concessions.
They recognized that Trump was not an ideologue.
He really was a demagogue the whole time by definition.
Whereas me, my movement, being very young, being very fanatical and being very radical, we do represent a threat in the sense that when all of these fake ideologies disintegrate, what is going to be the strongest ship?
Yeah, I think there's maybe two very likely possibilities.
And of course, there's many others.
But to me, these are the standouts.
One is that he wanted to avoid embarrassment.
I think that he knew his name was in there.
And his name was in the files in 2019.
We just know this.
There's videos and photos.
And he was friends with Epstein for many years.
And so he knew if there was a big disclosure, he'd be named all over it.
Maybe we'd learn something.
Maybe we'd learn nothing, but it would be a big shitstorm for him politically.
And so I think that one possibility is it was just a big misstep.
He did it to avoid embarrassment.
I think that's possible.
The other distinct possibility, which I think is very likely, is like you said, there was a deal with Israel that his allies would be hurt by this.
Maybe people like Peter Thiel, people like Netanyahu.
Maybe there's unknown people, people yet undisclosed in the files.
It would be destabilizing for the political order.
And for the same reason, he didn't lock up Hillary Clinton.
He's going to do this.
It's sort of a handshake with the shadow government, with the deep state, with this international cabal, whether it's Israel or the CIA, really a difference without a distinction.
There was a handshake to just avoid pandemonium, to avoid a kind of Me Too level extinction event for a certain class of the elites.
Even Johnson's going to use it against Trump because he's a weasel.
I'm not saying it's wrong to do it, but he's doing it for weasel purposes.
What is your prediction on this?
Because my prediction, as I said 24 days ago, is this has doom written all over it.
They are going to go all the way to the wall with this.
And if Trump doesn't release all the Epstein files and go after the deep state for Crossfire Hurricane, I want your take on that too.
And all this talk about treason charges and things, then he's doomed because whoever convinced him or himself to sign on to the Epstein cover-up, he has now become everything he claimed he was against.
I mean, he did that.
And my listeners get mad that I'm not like covering it up.
I can't do that.
And some then take us out of context when I work at it and go, oh, you're covering it up.
No, I'm covering every angle.
I mean, this is the disaster.
So, so, Nick, there's a lot of questions there.
Why do you think he covered it up?
What do you think is going to come out?
How the Democrats think they can only limitedly expose him when they're heavily involved?
I think they're going to keep pushing it, you know, because this is the first scandal that's really hurt Trump.
All the other stuff nobody really believed, the Russia gate, the Stormy Daniels.
For the most part, that never left a mark because there was this assumption among the base that, look, the left is going to lie about Trump.
They're going to try everything.
They're throwing everything other than the kitchen sink and the rest of it.
But this is something that it's just unavoidable.
I mean, the Trump base, these people like Cash Patel, they played up the Epstein files for years.
It's so brazen.
So this is going to leave a mark.
And now that the left has found something that is so effective, super effective, they're just going to hit this all day long.
Now, fortunately for Trump, there's this summer recess for the Congress so they can punt this.
I don't know that that was even the best idea because when the Congress reconvenes, guess what they're going to do?
They're once again going to force the issue.
So we're going to pick up in September in the next legislative session on this.
And it's going to happen simultaneous with the General Assembly of the United Nations, where they're going to recognize Palestine.
It's going to happen simultaneous with the deadline for another Iran nuclear deal.
And this is going to happen as Congress comes back and they're going to force a vote on Thomas Massey and the Democrats' resolution to get all the files unsealed from the DOJ on Epstein.
And this is where, you know, I started to say this earlier.
The conventional wisdom would say he's going to pull out of this.
People will, they're going to stop paying attention to it.
I really believe we need to, this is an historic opportunity in the way that maybe even Trump wasn't to go further than Trump because Trump was able to go so far because people were so angry with what they were getting from both sides.
That's why people tolerated Trump.
That's why people were willing to go with Trump.
Now that Trump has even disappointed them and he was supposed to be the revolution, I feel like this is like momentum.
You know, some people look at this as dreadful.
I look at this as kind of like momentum.
This is an explosion of energy that can propel maybe something even more anti-establishment into the fore.
You know, when people like liberals were pointing out, Trump is losing with the younger demographic.
Trump's approval among the 18 to 25 is crashing out more than any other demo.
The old people don't care, but the young people are furious about this.
Well, you know, last week they did this Turning Point struggle session on Israel.
And what I said on my show is that for many years, back in 2019, I came at Turning Point USA as a critic from the right.
Turning Point was considered the rightmost youth organization in the country.
And they were the gladiators against the left.
They were the most pro-Trump, the most right-wing.
Then here comes the Groipers that are saying, you're not right-wing enough on the social issues, on immigration, on identity, and in particular, on Israel.
And their first response back in 19 was to ban us.
They banned me from their events.
They kicked the Groipers out.
They fired the Groipers that were sympathetic in their organization, and they tried to ignore us.
They tried to purge us.
They tried to pretend we didn't exist.
Fast forward six years later, and their whole organization is filled with Groupers.
And last week, they had to hold this struggle session where they are very aware of this problem that at their events, they have people crying out for something that is truly America first, that is authentic, that's going to call out Israel.
And so they host this session where they're basically trying to mediate and they're sort of putting themselves in this position like they have power over the conversation.
The youth are already super far right.
They come in and say, we're going to mediate this transition to the far right as if they control that at all, as if they have any say.
And so they bring in all their Chapter leaders, they bring in some of the members of their organization, and they have this, what is supposed to be a focus group where they have an honest conversation about Israel.
And one by one, you know, Charlie Kirk says, when you say Israel, what's the first thing that comes to mind?
And one by one, the chapter leaders of Turning Point USA, the biggest right-wing campus group, they say the first word that comes to mind, Mossad, genocide, AIPAC, foreign lobbying, foreign wars, things that were unthinkable six years ago, things that almost nobody was talking about six, seven years ago, six, seven.
And Charlie Kirk is there basically trying to mediate this and say, well, you know, you don't hate Israel.
You just have some moderate criticisms.
Well, we still support Israel.
We still love Israel.
And we don't have any problems with Judaism, but you just have some narrow criticisms about it.
Well, I think that Nikki Haley would have taken the nomination, to tell you the truth, because Trump, you know, at Butler, he had not yet chosen a VP.
The only other person in the primary with any delegates was Nikki Haley.
There would have been an open convention at the RNC.
And of course, and the reason I say this is because, look, I mean, there would have been pandemonium.
I mean, there would have been who even knows, maybe riots, maybe violence, maybe something like this.
But without a doubt, there would be this unbelievable mandate that'd be like, get a Republican in and declare martial law.
But the question is, who would that fall to?
And I think it would have been like a Nikki Haley coup or like a Ron DeSantis coup.
They would have been crowned and propelled by the martyrdom of Trump.
They would have gotten into office and they would have everything that they're running the playbook right now, they would have done it with a vengeance.
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All right.
Well, I appreciate Nick Fuentez, really smart guy being with us tonight.
Nick Jay Fuentez on Rumble and on X. We're going to end this in about 30 minutes.
We're going to take a few calls right now.
Call it a debate.
I mean, it is a discussion.
I would say more of a wake.
And I don't want to agree with him totally that Trump's done.
I think there's some chance to extricate this.
But as I said, three plus weeks ago, before he even came out, this is Trump.
And going against what he promised to do, the Epstein thing, has created a wedge the Democrats are coming after.
Without looking at all the other issues and how he's so much better than them on others, and I want to keep the House, I want to keep the Senate.
And the Democrats are destroying themselves right now.
It's very paradoxical.
So the toll-free number to make your comment or question to Nick Fuentez or myself here tonight is 877-789-2539.
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Alex, 877-789-2539.
We'll just take five, six, seven calls, and then we'll let Nick get out of here.
But Nick, do you have any inkling in your political repertoire or vision of a path to Trump extricating himself?
Because it's not just the Epstein thing.
That's just emblematic.
I agree with you.
And I know the behind-the-scenes stuff.
Of not that he's implicated, just the arrogance of they'll shut up if I tell them to.
And now he sees that's not the case.
And then the different scenarios of where this goes.
So what is your positive vision versus your negative vision?
I don't really have a big positive vision for him.
And the reason for that is because I think he has no ability to renew.
I think that, you know, we both know him the first term.
It was a lot of disappointments and a lot of unforced errors and failure.
And we were looking for the second term to kind of restart.
And, you know, he's got a lay of the land.
He's got personnel.
He's got expertise.
We thought he was going to make it better, but it's all the same mistakes.
And so this is a very old guy.
This kind of is the second chance and he's blowing it.
If he had the capability to reinvent himself at this point in time, which I don't think he does, you got a clean house.
You got to get a new chief of staff.
You got to get new personnel.
And you would really need an intention to flip the script.
And you would need to say the Epstein files are going out and use them to go after your enemies.
You know, it's like you said, and we're kind of in agreement on this.
Even if all of this has happened, if he went after his opponents like Clinton and Obama and Comey and Clapper, and if he raised some of these departments and agencies to the ground and he did the mass deportations, he would be forgiven.
You know, he's a lame duck and that could cut both ways.
You could say nothing new can come out of it.
He can't win again.
At the same time, you would say he could kind of burn the house down on his way out, meaning not necessarily destructive, but he could really go for it and he could really go for the institutions and really go for these bad people.
And this is a crisis.
This is like a hot potato.
He has it.
Pass it to the next person, you know, double it and pass it to Hillary Clinton.
Why is he caught holding the bag and dying with the Epstein thing?
So, you know, if I were him and I'm not him, but if I was, and you can kind of see that he's doing this, he's flirting with the idea.
Take this political football, hunt it, use it to blow up the left, use it to blow up the Democrat side, use it to raise some of these intelligence agencies, use this to split with Israel, you know, and some of this other stuff.
There's opportunities on the table for him to have like a second wind, like a second act here in this already bad start for the second term.
I just have no faith that he's going to take it because what that would involve, I don't think he's capable of it.
I think that Israel messed up when they shot that church and they knew they messed up because even a lot of the big Zionists said, okay, we have a problem.
You know, you tried to shoot a cross off a church and you clearly missed.
And there's no excuse for that, especially with everything else that people have been forced to defend and put up with.
So I think when Mike Huckabee says they're putting pressure on Israel not to attack Christians, I think that's performative.
And the reason I think it's performative is because, look, Washington holds all the cards with all of it.
I'm saying, why would Israel be blowing up churches and firebombing ancient Christian settlements when the Protestant Christian Zionists send them billions a year?
I think even to some extent, the IDF, I mean, they're shooting people in the back of the head, getting aid, and those are Muslims.
They're blowing up churches.
That church, the cardinal there, Pisabella, he was calling Pope Francis every day as Pope Francis prayed for Gaza.
And you know the Israelis had to hate that.
They hate that the Catholic Church is speaking out against the war.
They hate that every time something happens, the Catholic Church calls for Israel to stop the invasion.
They hate that Francis was calling the church.
And so I think, whether it came from the top or whether it was freelancing in the IDF, they said, you know what?
It's time to, let's take a shot at these Catholics.
Enough calling for the end of the war, enough praying for the people of Gaza.
I think they are just totally bloodthirsty and emboldened.
I think, you know, the way they've been conducting this entire thing with the aid sites, they're clearly emboldened because, you know, whether it's shooting the church, and as a Catholic, I'm mortified.
That's such a horrible thing.
But at the same time, they're also murdering and starving people to death while even Trump and the Europeans are telling them, you got to feed these people.
Well, and here's my point is I think that the Israelis just don't care.
You know, that's kind of my point is if the Israelis cared about winning over the public and getting people on their side, they would have been doing a lot of things differently, whether it's the Christian communities in Gaza or the West Bank, the settlers that are spitting on the Christian missionaries there.
That's what Huckabee was referring to.
That's something that's been going on for a long time.
To the extent that Huckabee's taking up that issue, I think that's damage control.
So then the larger question is, looking at Russia and Ukraine and Trump with a 10-day ultimatum issued two days ago to Russia, where do you see that going?
And like everything else, Trump only knows one language, which is escalation and these maximalist demands.
The reason that he's making this 10-day ultimatum is because he has bent over backwards to make a deal with Putin.
And he's gone through these big gestures, meeting with them in Riyadh in the first few weeks, very high-level meeting, the Secretary of State and the Foreign Minister.
He's made these overtures to normalize relations.
And Putin is not biting.
Putin is not giving him anything.
Trump is throwing Zelensky under the bus.
He's going against the Europeans.
And Putin will not give him an inch.
And so I think Trump is just, like everything else, he's pissed off.
And he's just saying, you know what?
F this guy.
That's effectively where we are.
It's basically what he's saying.
He's saying, look, Putin doesn't want to end the war.
Okay, no more Mr. Nice Guy.
You want Joe Biden back?
I'll give you Joe Biden on steroids.
It's the same thing he did with China.
It's the same thing he did with Canada, with some of the tariffs.
So, you know, there's this rapid innovation happening on the battlefield.
Russia's leading it.
And I think that, you know, why is Russia going to give up now?
They're gobbling up all this land and they're saying maybe they'll make a deal in the future, but they want to get as Much as they can before they make a deal.
And so both sides are being greedy.
The United States is being greedy.
Russia is being greedy.
Russia wants to have the best position to make a deal.
So does the United States.
And so they're both saying, you know, we don't want to make a deal, but especially Russia is saying, we don't want to make a deal just yet.
We want to take more.
Then we'll make a deal when we're in a better position.
You know, I mean, the left, they really have no options in the sense that, yeah, they might have something where they're really leaning into this thing where they're saying that the illegal immigrants are being stripped of their civil liberties or illegal immigrants are getting caught up in the dragnet.
That doesn't even seem to be working.
What is going to happen, though, is another left-wing nut job is going to kill a bunch of people and that is going to sink them.
As soon as I and you and others came out three weeks ago on Trump said, this is insane, the whole influencer thing attacked us and said we were Democrats.
Now they have to admit, oh, God, this was a disaster.
Nick's been very nice to this interview, this debate.
And I want to let him go soon.
The crew's been here swimming since 6 a.m.
So let's go ahead and take a few phone calls.
We'll move quickly.
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But this is really, this is integrity, folks.
We're wargaming it.
There's not a script.
We're trying to figure this out.
I feel like it's awake, actually.
I mean, I'm horrified.
I just have nothing else to say other than I just, my God, if Trump doesn't start indicting people, if they don't release the episode files very soon, then it is going against my own personal interest.
These Democrats, I know, are evil, want to put me in prison, but I cannot join with something that's a lesser evil.
So I have my guts torn out my ass right now, but I've got to tell the truth, and I am.
Okay, so my question to you, Alex, was if Nick were by chance to start a GoIPA war against like the Trump movement, like would you be in like would you be a part of the movement?
I'm getting tired of these Judeo-Catholics, Judeo-Christians in the office dictating our government, and I just...
We don't know what's going on and we don't know the way forward.
But my first inclination is we have to punish them, you know, and I know people didn't like my tactics last year, but my first instinct when I heard this is when Trump said, I don't want your support, my first thought is that needs to be on billboards.
That needs to be projected at rallies.
Come to the midterms.
People need to say and remember that I don't want your support.
Like if there's any salvaging him, which is actually working some, he, you know, if we try to say, oh, take the vaccine, people backlash, he backed off.
We have to push and either he will capitulate and we'll be surprised or we push and we push into something new and it becomes the basis of the orbit to do the right thing.
Exactly.
Exactly right.
And it's sort of like the first order.
You know, something emerges out of the shell of Trumpism and we carry it forward.
Forward must be the battle cry, always forward.
You know, I'm not a hater and I'm with you on that.
We don't want to be haters bitching about it and say, well, you know, this sucks.
We're out.
No, we're in this.
We want to see positive change.
And if Trump isn't going to do it, we'll carry it forward without him.
All right, look, I'm going to tell you all what kind of outstanding job you both did.
But I'm just going to say this point blank to Nick Pointez.
It's just like when Christ picked up that stone and said, cast it.
The ones amongst you, cast the first stone.
I'm not saying that because I'm a Christian.
I'm saying that because that's a fact that it happened.
The only thing I can say is that Trump's going to have a come to Jesus moment, and he's going to pick up a stone and say, y'all throw the first stone at whoever's guilty.
Other than that, we don't build our nation upon hatred.
We try to work with what we got and build it to be better.
That's all I got to say, and I appreciate both of you.
It's about exposing the people that rape children for decades, right?
But unfortunately, we live in a post-constitutional era.
And right now, it's the legislative branch and the sociopathic control agarchs from past administrations, deep inbeds in the FBI, CIA, that are ruining our republic.
So I don't think that MAGA base is walking away from President Trump because we're not ideologues.
A single issue, whether the FBI is slow walking this or the DOJ is slow walking this, is not going to prevent us from supporting the MAGA movement, which is way bigger than President Trump.
It's about we the people.
The coup against President Trump in 16 and 20 and the one against President Biden Buffett in 2024 was not against those three figureheads.
It was against we the people.
So we will get a chance to destroy this establishment class, these sociopathic controligarchs.
My question is, Trump planned to run in 2014, 2015.
Do you think that it was intentional when he said that Epstein would have trouble coming later, that his administration would go on to arrest Epstein and then Epstein would eventually die?
Do you think that was calculated?
That question is for Nick, but I'd love to hear Alex's opinion as well.
You know, There's this funny clip from Bill O'Reilly's show where Bill O'Reilly goes, Epstein got arrested under Biden and he was persecuted by Maorcus or not Majorkis, Mira Garland.
And he's with this journalist.
They go, Nope, nope, that happened in 2019.
So I wonder how many people even know that that whole thing happened under Trump and Bill Barr.
When you look at the coincidences, it's really interesting, isn't it?
Bill Barr's father hired Epstein or may have hired him at the Dalton School, gave him his first job.
Then his son, Bill Barr is the attorney general.
It's under him that Epstein is charged again.
It's under his jurisdiction that Epstein is charged.
And then in 2019, when Epstein killed himself, Acosta, who really had no business even being there, he was the attorney for the Southern District of Florida, gets promoted to be labor secretary.
It was a very bizarre fit, not really a good fit.
Then Epstein commits suicide and Acosta resigns when there's all this scrutiny over the sweetheart deal from the first round of charges.
And there's all these types.
Those are just two of the connections.
Bill Barr, Acosta, but there's also Howard Luttnick.
There's also Alan Dershowitz.
There's Peter Thiel.
I mean, there's a lot of connections there between Trump and Epstein.
So I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that Trump had him killed or someone close to Trump had him killed.
Hey, so I just want to say, like, really just shout out to both of you guys.
I'm a huge fan.
Really liked the way that this conversation went because I was almost a little concerned on Twitter when I thought it was a good debate because I love you guys both.
I started off listening to Alex Jones, moved on to listening to Nick Fuentez.
Really, it's not much of a question.
It's more of a comment.
I just personally don't really understand why so much of the Trump base is giving him even like a shadow of a doubt.
I mean, he's literally broken almost every fucking promise, at least since 2024, let alone 2016, right?
And I feel like there's a level of almost like, like, they think that like eventually he'll like honor his promise and he'll live up to what he promised.
And every time, like, how many fell for it again awards are they going to win before they realize that he's controlled opposition, in my opinion?
So I'm just wanting to know why Nick took a $500,000 Bitcoin donation from a French Jew in 2020 and then immediately changed his viewpoints on Russia and things like that.
So I just kind of don't want to know, Nick, what's going on with that?
Then it's sort of like in House of Cards, you know, but he also was like, oh, we're really going to look into Obama's stay-behind networks, the countering disinformation, foreign propaganda act, all that.
Yeah, I mean, Nick said an hour ago, we've never seen any evidence of Trump involved.
The question is, then why is he covering up?
And that's for Israel and the CIA.
Yeah, no, not just her, a bunch of other confirmed victims said they never saw Trump at the island or any of that.
But go ahead and make your point, Jack.
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And my question for you two, kind of on that same line for Mr. Fuentes, is that what do you think if he's holding back the evidence and the release because it has to deal with what other witnesses said dealing with shapeshifters and stuff, transdimensional demons, would it be worth releasing if that type of stuff was also exposed?
I was told a year ago and six months ago and two months ago, and I've got all the White House calls and all the way.
And I was told early on, it ain't getting released because the CIA and Mossad were running it.
I mean, he had billions sucked out of his bank account if he died.
So this debate about whether he was intelligence or not, and I don't lessen the human trafficking in young girls, but it was money laundering, weapons.
I mean, Epstein was a Mossad agent.
Anything else, Jack?
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No, no, I'm a big fan of you both.
I was just bringing up how you talked to Tucker before, Alex, about him having hands put on the demon stuff.
And I think maybe that was like, maybe it's just too much for people's mind to handle them.
I know what you're talking about, but I wouldn't read too much into that.
I, you know, if that stuff is out there, you just can't assume it.
You have to logically operate with Octam's razor and say, because who knows?
I mean, maybe reality is not as it seems, but our working understanding has to be based on what we have evidence for, as opposed to, you know, maybe reading into these things.
It seems to me like the fundamental structure of the country has just absolutely collapsed.
It's nowhere near what the founding fathers had in mind for the structure.
We're too heavily dependent on the executive branch, and we keep hoping for a Hail Mary, someone to come in there, our hero, you know, to go in there and totally reshape something that I just think is not fixable.
Is it maybe time to start thinking of some different options of now that we have this movement, these people have moved around during COVID, looking for more freedom?
People with like-minded ideas are more concentrated in different parts of the country.
I'd like your thoughts on maybe perhaps some sort of secessionist movement, what that would look like if that's a viable option.
Big picture, I think that we are about to enter a period of remarkable instability and change because of technology, the changing world order, the rise of China.
And that means things are inherently unpredictable.
It's like a Pandora's box.
So I am very not optimistic about the near term.
I think that between the new technology, which has dual use, the drones, the autonomous systems, the AI, I think it is going to be a miracle if we get on the other side of this next decade without a cataclysm, a cataclysmic world war, a nuclear war, an AI war.
You know, we are really on the cusp of something that could be truly horrifying.
So, you know, I think if in closing, I guess big, big picture, like super big picture, people need to zoom out because there's this big focus on race and religion.
There's a big focus on, you know, Republicans and Democrats.
But the big picture that no one's talking about is we are on the cusp of something we don't even understand, how it's going to affect mankind in every way, shape, and form.
It's a true revolution.
And so it's not to say those other things aren't important.
They are, but it is causing people to take their eye off the ball that we something is big is around the corner and I just want to survive.
You know, so you got to think in terms of what is durable, what is going to last, how to stay safe, because, you know, the next few years are going to be remarkably destabilizing.
And when that happens, you typically get violence, famine, war.
It reminds me very much of like the turn of the last century.
So people really got to steal themselves, keep their faith in God is the most important thing anchored in that.
Get some friends, get networked up, get some valuable, durable goods, you know, like gold, like Bitcoin, like, you know, stuff like that, and buckle up because I think it's really going to get a little shaky in the next few years.
But if we're smart and play our cards right, a crisis can be an opportunity.
There's risk and opportunity involved in a crisis.
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I'll go straight to the United States government policy.
You have what's called the National Security Study Memorandum 200, also known as NSSM 200, which was authorized, written under Dr. Henry Kissinger, who was the 32nd Secretary of State under President Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford.
Pardon me, documentation.
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He stated, quote, depopulation should be the highest priority of U.S. foreign policy towards the third world, end quote.
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Outside of that, you have something called Global 2000, which was also authorized under Jimmy Carter, outlining how food can be used as a weapon.
Outside of that, you have someone by the name of Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was a former advisor to President Jimmy Carter, who stated, quote, in earlier times, it was easier to control a million people than to physically kill a million people.
He said, but now it is infinitely easier to kill a million people than it is to control, end quote.
So what you're dealing with is the food, the air, the water, reproductive services planned, parenthood, and all these different arenas are being used to go towards an effort of getting rid of human beings, black, white, and all in between, by the billions.
So now that we're waking up so quickly, they didn't expect the masses of humanity to rise up, wake up, become aware of what this government's agenda is.
And because of that, now they're trying to figure out exactly how to get rid of people.
They said these white folks is waking up.
They're coming against us, their government.
Black folks waking up.
They're coming against us.
So now at this point, they're like, well, just get rid of them all.
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