Alex Jones Show·July 22, 2025·EMERGENCY TUESDAY BROADCAST: Gabbard To Release “Mind-Blowing” Proof That Pence Worked Directly With Obama Coup Plotters In Their “Treasonous Conspiracy” Against America! PLUS, Deputy AG To Meet With Ghislaine Maxwell, Sparking New Firestorm! Finally, Respected Economist Martin Armstrong & Oath Keepers Founder / Former J6 Political Prisoner Stewart Rhodes Join Alex Jones! — FULL SHOW 7/22/25·
EMERGENCY TUESDAY BROADCAST: Gabbard To Release “Mind-Blowing” Proof That Pence Worked Directly With Obama Coup Plotters In Their “Treasonous Conspiracy” Against America! PLUS, Deputy AG To Meet With Ghislaine Maxwell, Sparking New Firestorm! Finally, Respected Economist Martin Armstrong & Oath Keepers Founder / Former J6 Political Prisoner Stewart Rhodes Join Alex Jones! — FULL SHOW 7/22/25
Alex Jones and Stewart Rhodes dissect a treasonous "Obama coup" involving Mike Pence, Clapper, and Comey, claiming Tulsi Gabbard will soon release proof of this conspiracy. They argue the Epstein files reveal deep state blackmail, while economist Martin Armstrong predicts a 100% chance of nuclear war by 2026 due to European desperation. The discussion covers alleged hospital organ harvesting, geoengineering floods, and the need for Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act against the "deep state," all while Jones promotes methylene blue and solicits donations for his legal defense against a purported Democrat terror campaign. [Automatically generated summary]
There is a major battle over who will control the United States of America between two major factions, the Trump faction and the Obama globalist faction.
Trump is definitely trying to be in charge.
He's definitely making a run at them.
He has his own interests that have decided to split off and go with him.
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He has his own interests that have decided to split off and go with him.
But regardless of what you think about all the insane developments and whether or not Trump's covering up Epstein or trying to because he's done something wrong, we know the Democrats have committed all these mass crimes and did steal an election and did spy on the American people and did spy on Trump and did run the hoaxes and the impeachments based on that lie.
That is treason.
That is a coup.
That is cut and dry.
The jury's not out on them.
That said, I will cover the truth.
Justice be done may the heavens fall.
And the jury is still out on what in the world is going on with Trump and the Epstein area.
And I don't like the fact it's sucking all the air out of the room.
We have so many huge things to deal with.
But at the same time, it goes to the heart of the revolution that we've launched here that's now spread worldwide.
And the revolution is not Trump.
The revolution is populist and is anti-corruption.
Now, the fact that they're sending the Deputy Attorney General imminently, for the sake of me tomorrow, to have days of meetings with Ghislaine Maxwell, right when the Democrats start demanding that she be called before Congress,
is just as incriminating, and it makes me physically ill to say this, but it's the truth, as Trump coming out two weeks ago and saying, don't ask questions.
You're not my supporters.
If you do, move on.
This has been cooked up by the deep state, which the deep state did control the files and did run the blackmail operation with the Israelis.
So that's true.
So we have to look at that and say, okay, that makes sense, but that doesn't mean that we then believe it.
And there's a lot of people in the mainstream media and the left and even right-wing media is having a heyday with this where I wargame things.
You know, you listen, you know, I tell you about what I'm going to do, what's moral, what I believe is the right thing.
That's where the truth goes.
But the jury's out on Trump on this issue.
It's in on all these other great issues where he's doing a fabulous job against our enemies.
And they sure hate his guts.
But I wargame the different scenarios that are going on because we don't know exactly because the jury's out on this.
The jury wasn't even convened.
We weren't even in this trial until Trump got spooked by whatever he was shown that they found the files the Democrats left behind and started telling everybody, don't go there.
Don't look at that.
And he's still got his surrogates like Levin and the rest of them, Shapiro running around saying, do not ask questions, move along.
Then you've got the cut and dry, certified, absolute proof that I experienced Nardy Newt eight and a half years ago.
You notice in the even mainstream media, we're at the center of it because we're in the documents being spied on by Obama and his actions against key 24 supporters of Trump they targeted.
And so now Gabbard has said it.
Flynn has obviously seen it.
They're about to release information that is going to, quote, be mind-blowing.
And I've been told what it is, some of the basics.
It is beyond mind-blowing.
It is Tuesday, July 22nd, 2025.
I am your embattled host, Alex Jones.
We're entering the 183rd day of Trump being sworn in in this incredible revolution overpowering the globalists that no one can deny is spectacular and is part of a larger global trend of the Great Awakening in response to the Great Reset, the COVID lockdowns, and the mass awakening to the New World Order dehumanization system.
Now, the whole Epstein self-harming political attempt at suicide that Trump knowingly or unknowingly has been engaged in for 16 days is sucking all of the oxygen out of the room.
And the drudge report that's the mouthpiece of the Democrats says Trump ramps up distractions.
Now, these are all the things he promised to do.
All the declassifications, RFK Jr. assassination, RFK Jr.'s dad assassination files.
That's not a fair assessment, but What is the new firestorm?
You just don't know it yet, but it will be a firestorm by tomorrow.
Is that the Deputy Attorney General?
We first started hearing this two days ago, that they were going to send Pam Bondi or the Deputy Attorney General to meet with Ghislaine Maxwell, who from all my research was the handler of Epstein and who took over the family Mossad MI6 PETO honey trap operations that are certified on record with her father, Robert Maxwell.
That's documented.
Buried at Mount of Olives, the military burial for his work in the Mossad.
And there is no doubt that Benjamin Netanyahu is using information he's got about people in the Trump administration, perhaps even Trump, for control.
You see that.
And now you see headlines, House shutting until September to block Epstein vote.
That's not true either.
They were going to be closing in August, like they always do, and Trump had asked them not to, to get his appointments of ambassadors and judges done, and no ambassadors that have been confirmed.
So I'm going to call balls and strikes.
Trump's carrying out his normal agenda right on time.
He wants Congress to stay open.
This is regularly scheduled for them to close in August.
But what is just as over the top as Trump and his surrogates the last 16 days, 17 days, saying there is no file.
Epstein killed himself.
He wasn't blackmailing people.
He wasn't involved in human trafficking.
Tooth fairy's real.
The moon is made of cheese.
And then having the surrogates go out and say, any Trump supporter that says they want this release is a traitor, and you're not part of our movement, Shapiro and the rest of them, Levin, Trump himself.
I mean, you couldn't act more guilty.
You couldn't try to spotlight it more.
It's like getting in your ski boat and then aiming it at the land and just driving it full power onto the rocks.
And a nice little cherry on top is the Democrats saying they want hearings with Ghislaine Maxwell in Congress, starting, they started saying it three days ago, and then immediately we hear the DOJ is going to send high-level officials.
They've now chosen the Deputy Attorney General to race in the next few days to meet at link with Ghislaine Maxwell in federal prison.
And they even admit the DOJ that they want to put all this to rest.
Well, that's the opposite of putting it to rest.
It'd be like if you're 14, your parents come home and you say, Dad, I have been smoking marijuana.
And your dad goes, I smell it, though.
Well, Dad, it's not in the shoebox under my bed.
Well, let's go see.
I mean, like your wife comes home early from work and you see a guy running out the back door and you come in, your wife's naked in the bed.
She's like, I wasn't having sex with that man.
It's bad, ladies and gentlemen.
And I've never been so paradoxically torn because I'm going to tell the truth no matter what.
And all I do is research and talk to experts and sources.
And so we're dialed in better than anybody.
That's a fact.
This is all I do.
And I look at all of the superb things Trump's doing and how he's irrevocably damaging the globalists.
And I'm not a lesser or two Ebels guys.
But at the same time, just the appointments and the judges he's put in are light years better than Democrats.
And we would be in total economic collapse, great reset, hell on earth right now, Kamala Harris was in.
So the Lord works mysterious ways.
The jury's out on Trump.
I'm going to continue to cover all the Epstein stuff, but I'm also going to cover all of this other incredibly important information, like the absolute smoking gun, open and shut, prima facie, absolute, up one side and down the other.
Treasonous conspiracy ongoing for really since 2013, but under the name Crossfire Hurricane since 2016 by Obama and the deep state clapper Brennan Comey, and now we know Pence, that's coming out.
From the beginning, he was an operative reporting.
And we knew this.
We always knew it was Pence working with the FBI to take on Flynn.
And Flynn has seen the information and says what Gabbard, Director of National Intelligence, is set to release in the next few days, is, quote, mind-blowing.
I am told that it is Obama directing and people covering their ass, putting it in their own emails in minutes to protect themselves at the time, because they knew it was treason, that, okay, we were all there today.
Obama told us to do it.
And they all put it in their own records and their own emails and told their aides, knowing if this ever came out and they weren't successful, they'd say presidential immunity.
We were following the president's orders.
So there's also a House report set to come out on Wednesday or Thursday.
They were saying Wednesday.
Now they're adding more, maybe Friday, maybe even next week now.
And I'm told by the congresspeople that have seen it and the White House folks that have seen it, and I've talked to the congresspeople, that it is the House committees were able to get this, the intelligence committees and others.
And so they're deciding to go ahead and declassify or release stuff that they want to release that Gabbard's already given the DOJ in her official criminal complaint she said went in last Friday.
The DOJ confirmed yesterday they got it.
Then they have Ratcliffe and the CIA stuff.
So remember how Ibel Obama is.
Remember the deep state they still have in place in many areas.
Remember how they dissolved the borders and human traffic.
Remember all they've done.
And just remember, while we are upset and disgusted by the very guilty behavior we were seeing how this administration conducted Epstein and all the rest of it, that we have certified, absolute proof that the Democrats have an anti-American, anti-human, anti-God, globalist agenda.
They are 100% guilty of all sorts of horrible things, including treason against the voters of this nation, a coup, attempted coup, impeachments, stolen election, all of it.
And those stay-behind networks that Obama put in that I've been talking about since 2016, and it was only I and Zero Hedge that were covering it to my great frustration.
Now, I love Mike Benz, really smart guy, great government analyst.
You know, he's out detailing it all and being lauded for, oh my God, he just discovered all of it.
And he does a great job articulating it.
And I'm not in competition with him.
He just does stuff like when I go on Tucker a few months ago, like, oh, I'm going to watch this and put like a laughing, you know, crying face on there.
I just, it's so frustrating that I was a main target with Trump of this, a side target, but one of the main side targets.
We got the NSA documents from Sheriff Arpaio that he was given by the feds.
And we were the first to tell Trump he was being spied on by Obama, by the stay behind networks.
And I'm glad Mike Benz is advising the White House.
I mean, I told Trump all this in 2017 early on.
I wrote him memos.
He asked for them.
And so, yeah, I already know all this, but even more is coming out now.
And it's just very paradoxical to be chewed up and shot up and still have stay-behind groups in the Justice Department of the Democrats literally with court filings to shut this place down anytime.
We're battling them.
But the state court's so corrupt, the same one that the show trial, they could come anytime.
They have the piece of paper.
And then we've survived so much, people go, oh, yeah, that's, you know, that's Alex.
You know, he, sure, he survived a bunch.
He'll survive this time.
I mean, it's that urgent.
I'm like at the Alamo in the final day and the place is on fire.
We're out of ammunition.
We're fighting with our swords now.
Troops are climbing over.
Davey Crockett just blew up the ammo magazine.
And I've got Santana's troops getting ready to run bayonets into my guts.
That's okay.
That's fine.
But that's where we are.
And then I'm in the paradox that I've been reached out to by the Justice Department, given them information.
They're on it.
They're investigating these guys because they were so naked and made a lot of mistakes.
Justice Department's words, they've been more careful to cover up their attacks on Trump and his family.
But we really don't like these corrupt judges and law firms and groups.
And we want to go after them.
So they made a lot of mistakes in your case.
So give us everything.
And we've been doing that.
And they got good people there that are moving forward.
So, I mean, I've got the Trump administration literally coming to my aid like the cavalry.
And it's just very paradoxical that I have a responsibility to report on this Ev C stuff.
So I'm going to go over it all today.
Martin Armstrong is an amazing economist.
And with all this economic news, I wanted to get his, it's just on for 30 minutes, start of the next hour.
It's 40 trillion just for the U.S. Other countries are even worse per capita.
You've got biggest stock bubble in history with the AI.
And Armstrong doesn't just shoot his mouth off.
He's heavily dialed in, talks to the British, the Russians, advises major governments.
He says on the current trajectory, 100% chance of nuclear war.
So that's kind of important.
And then Stuart Rhodes is going to be in studio in the third hour in the news and the rest of it.
So yeah, you know, this would be a fun, entertaining show.
I could show you Hunter Biden attacking me and saying I'm a flat earther and Hunter Biden teach people how to cook crack and his eyes get all gleaming.
I mean, he's a total drug fiend.
I mean, all that's interesting, but it just at the end of the day.
And then I've got all this other good stuff Trump's doing.
His hundreds of millions of federal funding cut off to the states from California to Tennessee to Texas to New York.
They're just ending the transgender chopping up surgeries of children.
Trump's doing all this other amazing stuff.
The states are buckling, moving towards bringing in voter ID because he's already cutting the money off of that.
I mean, it's happening.
He really is doing unbelievable reforms.
And they're ramping up as fast as they can the deportations.
They found 35,000 kidnapped kids that were brought across.
They've arrested over 1,000 of the smugglers.
I mean, they're ramping up detention building facilities.
They're $50,000 bonuses to rehire those that quit under Biden.
They're conscripting out of the other agencies.
People, they're doing the best job they can.
And kind of the populist right wing that always wants to be purist, which is okay, wrongfully says that Trump's not doing an excellent job there.
Yes, they are.
And so in the same day, CNN will show me a 30-second clip criticizing Trump and then not show the five minutes where I'm explaining how I'm torn and the good things that are happening.
So you can make your own decisions out there.
I'm just telling you what I'm thinking, what's going on.
And they'll show another clip, and here he is licking Trump's boots.
No, here I am reporting the facts.
And the tariffs are doing better than we thought.
They've shut down these corrupt courts that are blocking Trump's agenda.
I mean, it's just really good.
And if he doesn't succeed beating the globalists and stabilized economy, do you have any idea how hellish things are going to be?
I mean, we're at the edge of total collapse.
So I just wish to heaven that whatever's going on and the advice Trump's getting and the things they're doing, I mean, my lord, sending the deputy AG to meet with Maxwell as soon as the Democrats are trying to talk to her and trying to cut it off the past before she testifies to Congress.
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I want to explain something very calmly to everyone listening to me and watching right now.
I know that most of you already understand this probably better than I. We are in the most consequential, existential, important phase in all of human recorded history, hands down.
There is a global awakening to the technocracy, to the globalists, to their death cult.
The Obama crime syndicate represents the main globalist power.
And on 95% of the issues, he is on the side of humanity.
That is a fact.
And it is a fact that if Trump does not succeed, the road forward is going to be much, much harder against the globalists, though the planet is waking up so fast and there's so much resistance.
They will be fully dislodged and destroyed in the end.
But if the United States that was fully taken control of by the globalists can be wrested away from them, their system will completely collapse in just the next year, really.
But into that vacuum comes a new global system.
They were collapsing the world to bring in their new global system that was an expansion of the old, even worse.
Israeli newspapers have bragged that, oh, we basically control the U.S. now, so we're the world's superpower.
Well, by extension, you understand the United States, if Trump continued on, can reform the world, bring massive freedom back, prosperity, kill the carbon taxes, kill the open borders, get rid of the globalist starvation austerity plan, and yes, not just have a new golden era for America, as Trump has said, but for the world.
This is a real shot at it with the culture and the economics.
I'm getting chills right now.
And so it's very paradoxical to have the Trump admin acting so suspicious about the Epstein situation and sending the deputy AG in the next few days, its officials announced, to meet with Ghislaine Maxwell.
And they even say so that she can set the record straight that Trump's not involved.
She's a convicted child trafficker.
You can't take anything she says, whether if she says stuff about Trump, you can't believe it.
That's negative.
If she says positive things, you can't believe it.
That's the tack you take if you're innocent.
But they know the Democrats are openly talking to her on the video phone connections, and they've had her surrogates, her lawyers go, oh, she's been documenting things and she's not going to commit suicide.
Remember Trump was in his DOJ.
Epstein died mysteriously.
And she's saying, oh, I'm not going to kill myself.
And then here comes the DOJ.
And then you have the left adding a bunch of lies to it and a bunch of recycled stuff that they say is in there that we know has been disproven.
But put that back on Scream of the Drudge Report.
They went from the other ridiculous deception today that, oh, everything he's doing for the economy And releasing other documents on RFK's Jr.'s dad getting killed.
That's a distraction.
So now they've gone with another thing: house shutting until September to block Epstein vote.
No.
Trump said he wanted them to stay open to get his appointments done for ambassadorships and judgeships and a bunch of other things.
And the Republicans, the Democrats, they always take off in August and go back to their districts for hundreds of years.
So see, if you're not studying all this and you don't know the Constitution, the law, Congress, the general public, even somewhat politically savvy people are like, oh, he's releasing RFK files.
No, they said months ago they'd release them now.
They did on time.
And there's more coming, 9-11.
MLK releasing those now.
They've got the MLK family saying, oh, we want Epstein, not this stuff about MLK.
Well, what?
He said when he first got in, it'll be released by July.
That was the deadline the archivist said they needed.
See, I know all this, so I know that that's not real.
But what is real is Trump saying, I want it shut.
He killed himself.
He acted alone when Bondi put that memo out 16 days ago.
And I told you day one is Trump.
And you said, no, you hate Trump.
It's not him.
It's Bondi.
She's out over skis.
She should be fired.
And the day later, he says, no, it's me.
And four days later, he says, shut up if you're my constituents, or you're not part of our movement.
I know I've repeated myself.
There's big new developments, and I'm going to get more into this in a moment.
But that's why this is so horrible.
So my advice to myself, because I'm just telling you what I'm thinking, because I've really been soul searching all this, because I don't look at it politically, what's better for me.
I don't even look at it overall, what's better monetarily for America, because if we're socially evil, it doesn't matter if we have wealth.
I'd rather be poor and not under the satanic system, but we'll actually be wealthy and free.
That's how God works if we do the right thing.
So it'd be like if Trump was absolutely perfect and saving the world and ending everything, and then you find out he killed a kid and had him buried in the backyard.
I'm not saying that's true.
It's hypothetical.
It would still be, oh my God, you know, he's bad.
But you also then have to weigh that and say, are we covering all the stuff the Deep State's been caught in?
Are we covering all of their programs being rolled back?
Are we targeting the globalists for prosecution?
Are we supporting the good department heads he has that are doing a great job?
Because you can say, whatever's going on with Trump's going on, the jury's out.
But he's got a bunch of good people doing a really good job, and I'm going to support them while they're in that position.
And I'm proud I got Trump elected three times.
I'm proud I've been through all this persecution.
I prayed about it before I endorsed him nine plus years ago.
The Holy Spirit tells me, continue on this course of what I'm doing and just tell the truth and give a report card out and let other people make their own decisions.
But to do a report card, I have to cover all the other stuff that's going on.
The bad stuff the globalists have been caught in, their house of cards collapsing, their money being cut off, all the good things the Trump admin's doing and the bad things he's doing.
So for the left, they're puppets.
They're people that just follow orders.
They don't understand someone that just covers it all.
And a lot of the populist right-wingers are mad at me when I criticize Trump.
And this is a truly informed broadcast.
This is a broadcast that respects the viewers and listeners.
And the only way I know how to do it is when something's so complex and a jury's out is to tell you exactly what I'm thinking.
So you're just hearing exactly my inner dialogue.
I'm basically talking to myself right now.
And every time Trump does in the last 16 days, one of these horrible moves saying shove about this and Streisand's it big time, Streisand effect.
He then comes back and says, okay, we'll have Bondi release all the court transcripts and files and grand jury stuff and bank records.
Oh, great.
That's, and then they double down.
Oh, we're sending the Justice Department, Deputy Attorney General, to talk to her so she can tell everybody Trump's innocent.
Convicted child trafficker can give her us her word.
You don't believe anything she says.
You don't talk to her.
Congress wants to haul her up there.
You have the facts and chew her up.
You don't run to what is going to be called witness tampering.
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You don't run to what is going to be called witness tampering.
And I know, but for sources, I can't say, because Trump is not coming up with most of this himself.
Oh, he's the one ordering these insane decisions.
So if you're really somebody's friend or you care about the good work they've done, you want to see us succeed, when they're destroying themselves, you warn them.
Napoleon said, never interrupt an enemy when they're making a mistake.
Well, the jury's out on Trump and he's making big mistakes.
And so, and I've been proven right the last 16 days.
I've been dead on about it all.
For 800 years, I've trained Jedi.
My own counsel, I will keep, to quote Yoda.
And 40 years studying this and 31 on air is the equivalent of 800 years.
And so people always ask me, where are you getting your talking points?
And I know you're out there mostly thinking the same thing I'm thinking.
I talk people at the grocery store, the gas station, the gym, and they're saying the exact same stuff back at me.
People know what's going on here.
Trump's protecting somebody.
The only question is who?
And when I'm forced to do this because I have integrity, I get a knot in my stomach because I'm normally attacking certified, known, evil people that the jury's not out.
It's in.
And I think that's the most important takeaway.
That's why I've said it probably 10 times the last 44 minutes.
We know the globalists are certified evil by their open policies and all the terrible things they've done and the millions of traffic kids and giving them to sex abusers.
So I'm telling myself this now, and I'm telling you this, and I'm telling my own talk show hosts.
They can do what they want.
I respect them.
I like them.
It's hard to not only cover this Epstein thing because we've cared, we've been invested, we've been connected to it.
We feel guilty if it's true somehow by promoting Trump.
And so we've got to spend 100% of the time on this.
And if you do that, you are now aiding and abetting Obama and the UN and the globalist and Mike Pence that will want to weaponize the whole system and put Trump supporters in prison, not just in J6, but in general, they said.
So that'll be spun.
Jones says, stop talking about Epstein.
Absolutely not.
I just spent most of the last 45 minutes on it.
And I'm the one saying first, which I don't see other people saying, but they will, that you can't act much more guilty sending the Deputy Attorney General to go run and talk to Ghislaine Maxwell, the only known living witness we've got here.
They've killed a bunch of the others unless you got something to hide.
Now, let's talk about what they don't want us to talk about.
And again, I was personally spied on.
We have the NSA documents, the classified FBI documents.
I've already gone over it all yesterday.
Starting 2013, well, even 2007, some of the documents, but hardcore, because they in the files said they believed, this is public, that I would be supporting Trump.
These 24 people that they believe are going to support his run.
And now I know that's because Roger Stone was meeting with him on the phone, telling him who he was going to go try to recruit.
He came a year later and did it.
Oh, yeah, a long time before Trump came on, all that.
I was behind the scenes going, yeah, I'm going to back him.
And they had her phone staff.
That's confirmed.
And they were hearing all this.
They're like, find something on all these people and throw their ass in prison.
And they indicted most of the people on the list.
And what the FBI, CIA guy caught on undercover tape two years ago, go, yeah, we investigated him for a decade.
Alex Schells, we couldn't find anything.
So we went ahead and just cooked up this fairy tale.
They did all this stuff to dead kids' families.
It's come out in court.
They ran it and funded it on top of it.
Not just undercover video.
And they laundered the money through the charities, right to the law firms.
That's all come out now, too.
So this is proven.
So I'm going to spend as much time on Crossfire Hurricane, everything that comes out of that, as I'm going to spend on Epstein.
In fact, I should probably spend more because we know Obama and we know their people still have their people all throughout the government, and we know they're going to try to come back and bring us into the total tyranny again.
But there's a pharasitical thing that Christ talked about where people like to eat their own instead of go out and deal with the actual enemy.
And I guess some people get thrills out of criticize Trump and be on every TV channel.
I get physically ill to see them editing me out of context on every channel, everywhere, every newspaper saying Jones has turned on Trump.
Jones says Trump is guilty.
Jones says Trump's a pedophile.
I said no such thing.
And that's not my fault that they deceive and do that.
But I'm physically sick over it, physically nauseous right now.
But I'm going to do the right thing and that's it.
I normally feel wonderful because all I'm attacking is certified crooks that are known crooks.
But just the idea of this and the behavior is horrifying.
I'm done talking about that for now.
Now let's talk about what we know.
In the last two months, every week or so, the CIA, the Office of National Intelligence, and the FBI have released smoking gun proof that Obama ordered his operatives to spy on his campaign.
They're already doing it, but give it the official name Crossfire Hurricane and falsely say he was a Russian agent.
They didn't know it was fake and just let it go forward.
They created it, and it's all on record.
The insurance policy.
And I had them try to put me in prison as a Russian agent.
They sent CIA through law firms to try to get me to take money multiple times in 2017.
So do I appreciate them trying to put me in prison?
Hell no.
And to quote Tony Montana, fuck no.
So see, Trump was questioned about this today.
He says Obama committed treason and is guilty.
The witch hunt that you should be talking about is they caught President Obama absolutely cold.
They tried to rig the election and they got caught.
And they should be very severe consequences.
And I told you months ago there was a criminal investigation before they said there was.
And I told you they really intend to indict.
And the word I've gotten the last few weeks is it's going down.
And that's why all this other stuff's coming out now, whether it's true or all true or none of it's true.
If it was true, they'd already used it.
But they've added some really nasties and embarrassed some people close to him.
And we know some of the names, not his family, but people close.
And Trump's like, Well, Epstein's dead, so why are we even going to give them what they want?
Why are we going to bring all this out?
Trust me, just leave it alone.
Can't even do that for you, buddy.
Wish I could, but I just have this issue where I can't sell out at any level.
So I like to snap my fingers right now and call the Democrats and say, you know what?
You offered me 50 million.
I want all this stuff dropped and I want 100 million a year.
And they'll go, yeah, you get it.
You're going to work for us now.
You're going to be a pundit that admits you were wrong and you're going to go out and persecute your own people.
Now, obviously, I won't get that deal now because I just told you about it.
I would never do that.
You put a gun to my head.
I work for them.
I work for God.
That's my boss.
And when my conscience tells me something's the right thing to do, I follow that sucker.
When it comes to politics and the world and life, my conscience says, don't eat that chocolate ice cream at midnight.
Or that conscience says, this girl's hitting on you in the grocery store.
Don't ask for a number.
Don't ask for a number.
Okay, I got the number.
But then I delete it.
I mean, that's about as far as I go now.
I just can't help it.
I mean, so, but when it comes to other people's lives, I don't lie.
I don't cheat.
I don't steal.
I don't lie to you.
And I've been proven to do that.
My capacity to lie is so diminished that I even tell you bad things about myself.
So you know that that's who I am.
And it's because I'm not some guilt, rat, goody tussu.
It's just a spiritual thing.
I feel so good when I stand up to tyranny.
I feel so good when I'm not fearful.
I feel so good when I make the right decision.
It just is fulfilling.
It's about me.
I don't feel good even when I think about doing something bad.
And I really feel sorry for people that get off on liking to do things bad.
And that's the Democrats for sure.
So some epic quotes from President Trump on the high treason that is certified.
And you see the rhetoric already building up before they roll this Epstein thing out.
They're not going after him for Crossfire Hurricane and all that and the coup plot and the conspiracy of high treason over Epstein.
It was already rolling out.
I told you months and months ago.
That's why the Epstein's being brought forward.
But then Trump acts very guilty once it's rolled forward.
So we have to admit that.
But I would challenge all of you to not talk about the Epstein thing.
Talk about it.
But also talk about the coup conspiracy.
Talk about the globalist deep state.
We know they're devils.
We know they're caught.
We know Obama is bad.
We know he hates America.
He's on podcasts saying you need to have your five-year-old, your 10-year-old be with gay men.
I mean, that's grooming, baby.
I mean, that is pedo pushing right there.
And we know he's in the WikiLeaks getting delivered the hot dogs and walnut sauce.
Walnut sauce is brown children in the FBI files.
So we know John Podesta is getting the seven, eight, nine-year-old delivered for his entertainment to the hot tub in the woods at a safe location for his entertainment.
That's in the email.
If an email came out like that about Trump and he didn't deny it and didn't prove it was fake, I'd turn on him so fast.
We know Tony Podesta, 2007, full magazine spread, Washington Post, with his pedophile art called Dangerous Art.
We know that.
So how about all you conservatives and populists spend as much time on the certified evil as you spend on Trump?
That's all I'm asking for because it's wrong to say don't investigate Epstein and Trump.
And it's just as wrong or worse when we know the Democrats are a pedophile Satan cult to just forget about them and put it all on Trump because he had beauty pageants in Epstein.
If you look at those papers, they have him stone cult, and it was President Obama.
It wasn't lots of people all over the place.
It was them too.
But the leader of the gang was President Obama, Barack Hussein Obama.
Have you heard of him?
And except for the fact that he gets shielded by the press for his entire life, that's the one they...
It's not a question.
You know, I like to say, let's give it time.
It's there.
He's guilty.
This was treason.
This was every word you can think of.
They tried to steal the election.
They tried to obfuscate the election.
They did things that nobody's ever even imagined, even in other countries.
You've seen some pretty rough countries.
This man has seen some pretty rough countries, but you've never seen anything like it.
And we have all of the documents.
And from what Tulsi told me, she's got thousands of additional documents coming.
So President Obama, it was his concept, his idea, but he also got it from crooked Hillary Clinton.
Crooked is a $3 bill.
The witch hunt that you should be talking about is they caught President Obama absolutely cold, Tulsi Gabbard, what they did to this country in 2016, starting in 2016, but going up all the way going up to 2020 of the election.
They tried to rig the election, and they got caught.
And there should be very severe consequences for that.
You know, when we caught Hillary Clinton, I said, you know what?
You just heard Trump, and I told you this months ago.
He let him off the hook before himself.
They're going to indict these people.
It's going down.
Now we're in major false flag territory.
We are in maximum danger, ladies and gentlemen, right now from the deep state because Trump's going for their jugular.
We'll be right back.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Trump just announced what I've been telling you for weeks.
He let Hillary Clinton off the hook for high treason.
He's not letting Obama, Clapper, Brennan, and Comey off.
The Justice Department is intending to indict them, not just for perjury to Congress, not just for criminal leaks, which they've all done open and shut, but for a criminal conspiracy of treason against America and the Republic itself trying to overturn the 2016 election, stealing the 2020 election and their ongoing operations.
This is so incredibly historic.
And that's why you see them pushing all the Epstein stuff up to the front and then Trump acting very, very guilty like he's covering up for somebody.
I mean, this is historic.
This is deadly dangerous.
This is the prime zone for the globalists to stage mass false flags, cyber attacks, stock market crashes, new wars, you name it, because these two big powerful groups are coming together for battle for control of the Republic.
We know the Democrats are pure evil.
We know they're in the WikiLeaks with little kids with John Podesta and Hillary and all of it.
And so my point is we need to be covering what we know is proven.
They're treason and their Pizzagate garbage.
And that if stuff comes out on Trump, we'll go after him as well.
But the jury's not out on them.
It's out on Trump.
The jury's in on the Democrats and they are pure evil.
Here's President Trump saying, Obama and his cohorts in the coup are not off the hook.
The witch hunt that you should be talking about is they caught President Obama absolutely cold, Tulsi Gabbard, what they did to this country in 2016, starting in 2016, but going up all the way going up to 2020 of the election.
They tried to rig the election, and they got caught.
And there should be very severe consequences for that.
You know, when we caught Hillary Clinton, I said, you know what?
Let's not go too far here.
It's the ex-wife of a president, and I thought it was sort of terrible.
And I let her off the hook, and I'm very happy I did.
But it's time to start after what they did to me.
And whether it's right or wrong, it's time to go after people.
Obama's been caught directly.
So people say, oh, you know, a group.
It's not a group.
It's Obama.
His orders are on the paper.
The papers are signed.
The papers came right out of their office.
They sent everything to be highly classified.
Well, the highly classified has been released.
And what they did in 2016 and in 2020 is very criminal.
It's criminal at the highest level.
So that's really the things you should be talking about.
She's just collated them, and they have secret emails.
This was all run by DHS and the Pentagon.
Well, if you don't study AI and computers and markets and the stock market and geopolitics, you don't know what a rock star Martin Armstrong is, but people that follow that do.
I won't go over his whole bio because they have limited time.
45 years working in the stock market, researching monetary history and determination, the harness, the power of computers, and artificial intelligence.
He also knows most of the major world leaders and advises major governments, and he's managed hundreds of billions of dollars over the years.
And he's not one, because I've been following him for 30 years since I really got informed.
He is not one that exaggerates in my experience.
So a few days ago, when I saw this headline, it was like a punch in the stomach.
Plan on it, Martin Armstrong sees 100% chance of nuclear war on the current trajectory we're on.
So does the Rain Corporation or the Threat Escalation Ladder.
Doesn't mean it's going to happen, but it's like you're driving a bus to the Grand Canyon.
You're now a mile away.
You keep going down that road.
You're going over the edge.
And we're going 100 miles an hour right now.
And how that ties into the Epstein thing blowing up, the crossfire hurricane treason coming out with all the documents.
This is all coming to a head with these different factions, how it ties into the Genius Act, the new digital currency, all of it and more with Martin Armstrong.
And you can go to armstrongeconomics.com and ask Socrates, ask dashsocrates.com.
Martin, thank you so much, sir, for being here.
Wow, what an incredibly spectacular, intriguing, dangerous, horrifying, exhilarating time.
Anybody saying we're not living in interesting times or things are boring or there's a slow news day ever, they just must have their head where the sun don't shine.
Well, I think that I've said many times, how does a country default?
It's when you cannot sell the new debt to pay off the old.
And that's what the whole BRICS thing was.
The Biden administration, they took Russia out of the SWIFT system.
Then they actually threatened China.
We'll do the same to you if you help Russia.
So then they remove.
The BRICS took place because of this geopolitical nonsense.
All right.
And when you go into war and you're threatening China, China held 10% of the U.S. national debt.
So they start dumping.
All right.
Because you go into war, we're not going to pay it.
You know, we got a trillion dollars worth of interest expenditures.
And at 10%, that meant $100 billion goes to China.
Then, what?
They use it to buy missiles to shoot back.
They cut that off.
So that's why they've been buying gold because they're not even buying Euro.
They're selling everything because the West is going to war with them.
They know that.
All right.
And this is why Congress, suddenly with a bipartisan movement, came out with the Genius Act.
What they're doing is this is the same scenario that took place for the Civil War.
In 1863, to sell debt to pay for the Civil War, the U.S. Treasury, they came up with this system and they're called Treasury National Bank Notes.
They told the banks that if they bought the government debt, they could then issue currency against it, okay, to keep the liquidity going.
That's what this genius act is doing.
They're just instead of banks being the issuing currency, they're issuing the stable coins backed by U.S. debt.
So because of all this friction with war, if you cannot sell the new debt to pay off the old, you go into the default, no less trying to raise money to pay for a continuous.
And what you're explaining, for those who don't know this rule, and Elon made this point at the World Government Summit this year, when governments historically get into a default, they always go to war.
And so how do we get out of that cycle?
Because now we have nuclear weapons, we can't do that.
For those that don't know, the head finance ministers of all the major Western EU nations, France, Sweden, UK, all of them, the Netherlands, Germany, they all said in the last two years, our business model is a 20, 30-year war with Russia.
It's the only way we're going to prop ourselves up.
They want all these new taxes to put into a black hole, 30% of all the money raised in the EU to go to the war.
And they believe Russia will be broken up in five pieces.
That's official.
It is an insane gamble.
And three and a half years in, Russia has clearly won out producing weapons three to one.
And so they are demographically, financially collapsing.
China is having its own issues.
And so they're literally dragging us into this.
Trump has been right to try to get us out of it, but he's unable to.
And so that's why, please, you're giving us the background, but I appreciate that.
But I really respect your views on this, the new thing.
And what's going on now is basically the computer is showing what we call a panic cycle for next year, which I've never seen a panic cycle on the yearly level in war.
So it's showing that escalation should start from next week going up.
I think Trump has played into this wrongly with his demand for this 50-day nonsense.
What do you really expect to do?
You've got war coming.
Every European government is planning for war.
You had Merck come out and say there's, you know, diplomacy's off the table.
Forget that.
I spoke to in three different countries in Europe.
I asked, can you please name one European leader that has attempted any diplomatic communications with Putin?
No name.
Nobody has.
The only one that even bothered to call him was Trump.
That was it.
And Europe was all upset about that.
They need war.
Otherwise, their economy is going to collapse.
The German economy has shrunk already by 3%, if not 5%.
All right.
And by shrinking, I mean the number of jobs possible are declining, not just a recession.
So, and Germany's 25% of the GDP of Europe.
It's done.
It's finished.
All right.
So they need this war to keep going.
Otherwise, the people are going to be coming, storming the parliaments with pitchforks.
Their pension funds generally have to have by law at least 70% government debt.
If they do not remove Zelensky and allow the Ukrainian people to vote, that's it.
I mean, he's only listening to NATO and to basically stammer, et cetera, and merch.
And they know that it's going to collapse.
So Russia, I've been hearing for at least two months now, they were preparing to send in 250,000 troops into Ukraine.
The precedent they're going to want to use is that you're looking at in 95, they went into Bosnia and 99, it went into Kosovo, and neither one were NATO countries.
Yeah, look, the SEC used our model to look at who bought puts on airlines just before 9-11.
That stuff all came from us.
What really kind of brought it up with the CIA and everything else was when I stood up at our June 98 conference in London and I said, all right, fine, the computer says Russia is going to collapse.
And I gave it a little more in 30 days.
And that was the long-term capital management crisis, the debt default in Russia.
It was just a real mess.
And that's when the CIA came and said, all right, we've been following you guys for a long time.
They wanted the model.
I didn't want to give it to them.
But it's, this is what basically unfolds.
Somebody always knows and the markets begin to move.
You're starting to see the metals go back up to retest the highs.
Putin has already warned they have nuclear weapons as a, you know, as like a torpedo.
And he's already, you know, I don't know how much has made the news over here, but he has said they could just, you know, basically explode one off the East Coast and there goes Washington, New York, et cetera.
Yeah, for people who don't know why that's so important, they go, they go, oh, torpedo, who cares with, you know, some mega super ton H-bomb.
That point is you can't shoot it down with anti-missile systems.
That's Russia's answer.
It's why 10 years ago they showed the graphs on the table on purpose showing that they're going to launch these hydrogen bombs that detonate deep off the coast and then send in thousand-foot waves 50 miles into the United States.
They don't see themselves as Iraqis or Syrians, et cetera.
They see it's still tribal.
They see themselves as Sunnis versus Shiite versus Kurd, Druze.
I mean, this is basically, you know, that's really the Middle East.
You know, and I don't know.
These people just constantly, I don't know if they were, you know, mentally deranged in the 50s when we all had to hide underneath our desks in third grade or something.
I mean, his dad was the head of the Trotskyite, except for Stalin, had him killed in Mexico with the ISACs, and they got pissed and became total Russia phobes, moved to the U.S. The CIA brought him in to take over the Republican Party with William F. Buckley.
It's all mainstream news, not even hidden.
And they are actually, along with the Victor Brzezinski on the other side, Russophobes who literally got control of U.S. policy during the Cold War.
And starting about 25 years ago, they sent representatives for Clear Channel, one of their vice presidents, to try to get me to sell out and be a neocon.
And I said no.
And the offer was big, but not that big a deal.
No national show, syndication book deals.
Then Roger Ails approached me repeatedly, offered me Sunday shows, moved to New York.
If I did good, they were going to syndicate me to be the next Limbaugh because he was having heart problems then.
They said, you're going to be the new Rush Limbaugh.
And I said, no, thanks, because they said, we're going to control what you say.
And then I had Henry Kissinger reach out, did it in front of my producers.
So that's why I tell that story because they didn't say it was off record.
And say, we want you to come to New York.
History wants to meet with you.
We want you to join our group.
We want to back you, you know, control the populist movement we know is coming in the future.
I said, no, thanks.
He said, well, you're an idiot.
You're crazy.
That was Rothkop, Roth John Harmon, still here today.
He's been here 25 years.
And that was like 16, 17 years ago.
And then, you know, these are all off-record meetings.
And if somebody sends a private jet to pick me up and I've already got somewhere to go, I've met with Bilderberg group members and tech heads and people many times.
And I haven't done it in a few years because I've just said there's no point in meeting.
You know what I'm going to do?
You know what I'm going to say.
And they don't even try to get me to sell out these meetings.
They actually say, well, we think there'll probably be a nuclear war on the trajectory we're going with Russia.
And where do you think you'd move?
And I'm like, you're better experts than me.
Well, we've got a place in, you know, Patagonia.
I guess it's in the Andes or whatever.
So, but a full nuclear war with Russia and China, it's not going to be safe in the southern hemisphere either.
It's going to be road warrior, total breakdown of society.
So when Martin Armstrong, one of the top economists, one of the oldest best computer models of the updates, tells you that we're on a collision course with nuclear war and NATO says, oh, we're going to have an eventual war.
Russia will never use nukes.
This is beyond Russian roulette.
This isn't where you put one bullet, one cartridge in there, and you've got six cylinders and you spin it.
I would say this is like loading on this trajectory five bullets in and spinning it.
Maybe you got one out of six chances Russia blinks.
They kept thinking they blink, blink, blink as they did, but not with Ukraine.
And so just in closing on that, what can Trump do?
What can we do to have sanity?
We know they're trying to vote out the EU leadership.
The unelected commission keeps canceling elections, arresting political opposition like Le Pen and other sane people, canceling Romanian elections, trying to use it as a detonator with Russia.
They're on the Black Sea.
I mean, what can be done?
And you say heating up starting the next week through next year.
What's the timeline of maximum danger?
We know the EU has been saying in NATO, we're going to send in these peacekeepers to fight the Russians for a year.
I'd have to look at the months for next year, but it's projecting 2026 in general.
And I think that rather than a full-blown nuclear war, we're definitely going to see probably more of the tactical nukes, but I would not put it past using the nukes and the sub to create tsunamis.
So, I mean, I think it's, it's, the people in Europe have to be removed.
You know, the Euro was never designed properly.
And, you know, as you know, I mean, I was the one in 98.
I was called in and sat down with them on this.
So the real problem we're going to have here is that these people are about to lose power.
And if they don't create some sort of a war, then this is the people are going to be storming the parliaments with pitchforks.
I did speak to someone very close to Trump and a couple of months ago, and I said, we have to get out of NATO.
They're going to create a false flag to try and drag us in.
And if you remember, Elliot Spritzer, all right, he took down Hank Greenberg, the head of AIG.
All right.
Insisted he had to resign.
Hank Greenberg was refusing to insure the mortgage-backed securities for Goldman Sachs.
So they removed him.
Then AIG would insure Goldman Sachs.
All right.
But then Elliot Spritzer, who was being fed information was a pawn, thought he actually was the king of the mountain and was going to turn against Wall Street and clean out him.
What happened?
Oh, all of a sudden all these checks came out.
He was paying hookers.
How about that?
So they always use this.
So I suspect there's a lot more involved here than people who was really behind this.
And look, I was in the middle of the attempted regime change of Russia back in 2000.
So in closing, that's what I said originally is bare minimum.
Massage, CIA, these networks, they believe it'll crash the stock market if all these corporate leaders and business leaders and science leaders and government leaders, not Trump, get implicated.
And then Trump's like, it's too dangerous.
It'll sink the economy, move on.
And the Democrats can't help themselves.
They're still trying to use it, even though it really implicates them.
This is bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.
you I'm sure that's what Trump said.
That's how he was sold.
But it's a war bond.
All right, here's what I'm going to do.
You've got to stay with me because I got Stuart Rhodes coming in.
I want to cover the waterfront on the Obama treason and what needs to happen and what the deep state's going to pull and obviously false flags incoming.
I want to get into after he leaves us.
This stack's been stacking up for four days since Sunday.
Really good stuff around the world against the transgender pedocult as the world wakes up to it and fights it.
The UN issues its main report, calls for a ban on sex changes for children, declares transgenderism a threat to women.
And that's all our leadership, Trump's leadership, but it's a giant stack of stuff like that.
I didn't get to this yesterday.
I've got to get to it.
The findings by Congress and by the federal agencies on the AutoPen, it was illegal.
Some years, like 2024 and one of the other years too, Trans Readoff 2022, 100% of the things he signed, he had no idea he didn't sign them.
And it's been found by the different federal bodies and agencies that it is 100% illegal.
And they testify that to Congress.
That's kind of a big deal.
I mean, everything is coming to a head.
Then you got Trump going to war with the private Federal Reserve.
You have the Treasury Secretary saying, yeah, we need criminal investigation of the Federal Reserve for everything.
This is not the old Trump.
You just saw him say, Obama's guilty of treason.
I didn't go after him before.
I thought it'd be bad for the country, but we can't help it.
Whether it's good or bad, he meets for the economy.
That's what he always thinks about.
He's doing it.
And then you understand why you heard Armstrong.
I mean, he knows where the bodies are buried.
And he's like, no, Trump never connected any of that.
Gizlane was part of the group trying to buy him off.
That's on record that'll happen.
And then Comey and them threw him in prison for a while because he wouldn't cooperate.
And that's what they do.
They come to you because you're good and you're successful and you're smart.
But it's going to be nuclear wasteland you're fighting for your life.
I mean, it's a good chance we're all going to wake up dead soon.
Because the old financial system's coming to an end.
And the globalists want to stay in power and they need a war to do it.
In the meantime, I'm not going to back down.
I'm going to tell the absolute truth, the best information I have.
You've got that on my soul.
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Known this guy for a long time since he showed up on the scene.
Always great analysis.
You predicted Trump would be reelected.
You predicted that they would pardon the J6 criminals because they had a fake committee and boy, I was in front of them.
I told them they were criminals.
Then they destroyed almost all the interviews, including the one with me.
But here you are, and I didn't know your view on Epstein.
I asked your view, and I basically agree with it so far.
I didn't know your view on the treason stuff, but we're going to get into all that.
We have these big competing stories.
We have certified Obama.
We already knew this back at the time, but now it's all out.
Flynn says he's seen it.
I've been told what it is.
They're going to release thousands of pages because Brendan Clapper Comey and their minions, Strzok, Page, covered their asses saying Obama told us to do this.
And my bosses met with Obama.
Obama, we knew back at the time, 2013, started putting me, Trump, and 24 other people around Trump, 24 total, under surveillance because they thought I would support Trump.
Even though I didn't talk to the Trump people for a year after that, they got recruited by Roger Stone long before he announced.
And I've talked about that before.
He's saying, hey, if he runs, you're going to support him.
So we know they didn't call it CrossFire Hurricane then.
I've shown the documents, by the way, the NSA documents, all of it, that Arpaio got us.
And from feds that were able to access it.
It was my private numbers, Trump's, all of it.
We confirmed it.
Then we learned with the four requests we did years ago, they didn't release until Trump got in that I was under national security investigation 2013.
That's how they did it with the FISA court.
And so I'm in the middle of this.
I don't put myself in it because, oh, I'm in the middle of it.
No, this guy was put in prison for doing nothing.
They put Owen in prison.
I was at J6.
When I talk about J6, I was there.
Well, I've been in the middle of this Obama deep state persecution operation and covering when he signed the Defense Authorization Act.
It had $2 billion plus dollars in it.
One of his last acts before he left in early 2017 to create the Countering Foreign Disinformation Propaganda Act that then tasked the DHS to say it's national security to then censor the Americans and target Trump.
And now Mike Benz, really smart guy, but he's now discovered it.
It's all over the news.
That's great.
I'm glad he discovered it.
We lived it and Zero Hedge actually broke it.
So, and I'm not competition with Mike Benz.
It's just like, everybody's like, ooh, ooh.
And I'm just like, dude, I wish Mike Benz would cover it because he's got a huge audience.
How I have the NSA documents from ARPAIO and how I have the FBI documents from this year.
I mean, and then I have the FBI on the stand in Connecticut saying they went and created all this to take me down to the hook trials, the Sandy Hook trials.
I mean, it's just like, that's what the Justice Department is investigating and came to me because they said they got sloppy with you.
This is the underbelly of this.
But you and I have personally been in the trenches over and over again.
That's why when we tell the stories, we put ourselves in it because what's better than eyewitness accounts, Stuart?
And I think what's going on now is that rather than Trump fulfilling his obligations and his promises to expose the list, he's been convinced that somehow this is the right way to go.
The talking points that, oh, it's more important things, Texas is more important.
The economy is more important.
That's straight out of his advisors' talking points.
But I believe they're doing it intentionally to steer him down the wrong path.
And I asked you during the five-minute break when we played that promo to get you in here.
I said, you know, did you know what Kyle Serafin said on my show four months ago, two months ago, a month ago, two weeks ago?
You said, no.
He said from his sources and everything he knows, he's being, Trump and Bongino and Patel, because they're up at the top, are being fed bad info, disinfo, and being given things to discredit them.
And that that was the warning he had for Trump.
And now we've seen it play out.
And you not even knowing that, that's your equation.
Even though this kind of speculation has never, I don't think, ever been wrong.
It's kind of scary.
But that's who we have on, just like, that's what I do.
So I figured this out in the last week and a half.
I kind of knew it before.
And then when I saw them start recycling what's in these grand juries and what's in the Ghislaine Maxwell show trial that Maureen Comey ran to limited hangout so we can get to the higher levels and the Epstein cases, the one 15 years ago in Florida and the newer one where he died in custody, they did have the file.
They were hiding it in New York, the Democrats.
Then they dropped a dime on themselves to get Trump to have it raided, and they put in there the same recycling, the fake Jane Does, Melania is a whore from Epstein, not true.
That's already been recycled.
And embarrassing stuff about a few people in his cabinet or let's say advisors who are in there.
And then Trump just said, this is a diversion.
They've spiked it.
He basically said that.
I predicted it.
And that looks like exactly what this is.
But he's made a major miscalculation because his base now thinks he's involved because he's done this.
Or he's at least going back on his word and he's failing to take down the deep state.
I don't believe they can take the deep state down without total disclosure of not just Epstein, but all the other blackmail operations that our intelligence agencies do routinely around the world, including here at home.
And the judge blocked it by saying there's someone on the list that's being protected by the court who doesn't want his name out there because it could hurt his reputation.
So therefore, we're not going to release the list.
Which, by the way, Seraphin predicted four months ago, he said, you're not getting it.
You're getting nothing.
He's being given bad advice, being told it'll bring down the whole government, and then he's going to be implicated in it by extension, even though he's not.
When you tell somebody not to look at something, they look at it a thousand times harder.
Cue up the Mark Levin thing.
He's back with the Speaker of the House saying, because the Speaker came out and said, release it, and he's being lectured by Levin not that we need to just move on.
You expose the Epstein list as a start of exposing all the rest of the dirt that's held in all the files of the CIA, NSA, et cetera, like I called for in 2020.
Massive declassification and exposure is the one way to take down the deep state that President Trump has in his hands, and he needs to use it.
And he should start with the Epstein files.
And no one likes a pedophile.
You go and expose the pedophiles first, you start with them, and then you go through all the other corruption, all the ones that have been blackmailed by foreign governments or bribed by foreign governments.
I'm very proud of Trump's supporters, and I'm very proud of my crew, and I'm very proud of, I mean, 95% of Trump's supporters said, even the sycophants turned against this.
We're not like the Democrats.
They're in a cult.
Then when we say we hope he corrects, you know, then the Democrats go, oh, look, you hated Trump.
no, no, no.
He said, We're not left Trump yet, but we got one foot out the door.
Within hours of this breaking Sunday night, 16 days ago, 17 days ago, as soon as I came out at 7.30 in the morning, I had a few hours to process it and said, this is a cover-up.
You can't join it.
You've got to release it.
Blah, blah, blah.
They had the Israeli influencers were ready.
The bots and the hosts within hours all hit me and said, he's a traitor.
Don't listen to him.
Don't look into it.
No one can ask questions.
Trump's doing the right thing.
Even though they knew full well what discredit him.
So they get what they want to weaken him.
And that shows it's Israel that mainly controls the file.
Whatever else is left, the Democrats and the globalists wanted there.
But whatever Netanyahu has is the full file.
So the fact that Israel was right there instantly with the narrative within minutes shows it's their operation.
So it takes time to script and have talking points.
When I see within hours of something breaking concerted attacks against everybody saying, tell the truth, and it's all scripted and heavy, it means it was pre-loaded, which means they'd already set him up to put that memo out and they knew.
Well, and also, I heard one of his legal advisors, I forget the guy's name, before President Trump issued that statement attacking his own base, this guy was all over the place saying that, oh, we got to move on.
It's lower priority.
Texas comes first.
The economy comes first.
That was a talking point like last week.
So I think that's been percolating through the network, I guess, of people in Trump's circle.
Maybe Mark Levin is in that and Shapiro.
I mean, Shapiro was a never-Trumper before, right?
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We're talking about what's really going on in the world.
I want to play these clips for you.
Trump says, this is two hours ago, Obama committed treason and is guilty, which he is, and they've got the receipts.
He goes on to say, yeah, I gave him the pass before, which he said, don't prosecute him before.
Now he's saying it, and the word is, I've been saying this for months, even before the Tepsten thing blew up, it's going down, but that makes the deep state so dangerous.
Let's go ahead and roll those clips back to back and get Stuart Rhodes, founder of the Oath Keepers and former political J6 prisoners take on him.
So hopefully this will be the beginning of an actual investigation into not just 2016, but also 2020, into January the 6th, all the lawfare against President Trump and all of his supporters, including myself, against all of us.
That should be the beginning of that.
But he still needs to expose the Epstein stuff and all the other blackmail operations the CIA has been doing in conjunction with the other five of us.
That has to be done.
And so by him not doing that, but focusing on Obama, it looks political.
Well, all these people, you don't take the government over by storming the Capitol.
They've done it covertly.
We've exposed That.
But if this fails and the left's able to trigger a civil war with some racial event, I want them to know that there are all these real patriots and smart people out there that aren't going to go shoot cops, aren't going to burn down federal buildings, aren't going to act like Antifa, aren't going to go shoot.
So I don't think they understand that the public now is way too informed.
If they go for a civil war, they're going to lose very, if they think the French resistance gave the Nazis a problem, the French resistance are going to look like quadriplegics in wheelchairs compared to us.
And again, this is all old news for this audience, but he's very articulate and he has the presidence here.
I can tell you that.
And there's one seven-minute club of him walking around the desert talking about it.
But I want to play the clip where he's talking to a larger group of people.
I'm not going to play the whole 20-something minute video, but I'm going to post this on X so that people can see the whole thing.
And he explains how on the same week that they're doing all the Crossfire Hurricane, they go into DHS and create the censorship board.
But he doesn't mention the Countering Fire Disinformation Propaganda Act and the Defense Authorization Act that funded all of this and funded the shadow government stay behind networks.
I want to play a few minutes of this so people understand what we're dealing with.
And then I want to go back because the crew was actually able to find it to CNN attacking me in early 2017 saying Jones is crazy.
He says the NSA and Obama and the CIA were spying on Trump's campaign.
They didn't mention Sheriff Arpaio from the feds that were able to get the database gave us this with my number, private number, home line I never used, Trump's home line.
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It was his Mar-Lago private apartment number, his private bedroom number, numbers I hadn't had in years they were on here.
So I posted earlier today about the J6 thing, and I just kind of wanted to let you splurge because you had a video out there from like 2023 where you basically called it and nailed it.
Well, it's crazy because, you know, I kept running into this because, you know, kind of the first big thing that I broke in this space was the whole CISA affair.
If you remember, this was this, you know, kind of seat of government censorship that was tucked inside DHS.
And it was super fucked up because, you know, it was the cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency.
And no one had any clue.
Like those words put you to sleep when you say it.
No one had any conception that that would be the place that would be coordinating internet censorship for the federal government.
Because what they did is they treated social media misinformation as a cyber threat.
They classified it as a kind of like hacking attack of the mind and because it's done online.
And so I had to look up the whole history and evolution of the place.
And it all came back to this January 6th, 2017, and this Jed Johnson decision.
He was the outgoing DHS secretary for Obama.
Like his last act in office was basically federalizing elections and putting DHS.
What they did is under this order is they said that elections are critical infrastructure, which is like a really cute little trick that they pulled because like DHS protects critical infrastructure, which usually means like low Earth satellites or like deep sea cables or like, you can argue, like hospitals or roads and bridges.
But what they did is they argued that like the like metaphysical concept of an election is critical infrastructure.
And so anything that like attacks that that metaphysical concept, including misinformation about the election, is now a cyber attack.
And so the cyber agency, which happens to be filled with basically, you know, there's only three ways you can effectively, you know, be in the cyber hacking world.
You can work for the CIA, you can work for the NSA, or you can be a felon.
That's basically the only way in.
And so you have all these spooks who all hate Trump, who all want to stop the Trump movement.
And they're going to carte blanche under their cyber authority, just ban any account or basically send a speed message through their cyber mission control to the highest levels of Facebook and YouTube and Twitter 1.0.
And so I kept on tracing them.
Like, what was happening around January 6, 2017?
And that was the same day that the CIA did their assessment about the Russian hacking.
And it lined up perfectly to a T. I mean, this is two weeks before Trump took office.
And so what that did is that basically it federalized elections.
It put DHS in charge of it.
And specifically to do the Russiagate type crap.
And the other craziest part about that is what they ended up doing with CISA in particular, which kind of like brings it all together in this unbelievably crazy way, is when they were, when Jed Johnson got together with Michael Chertoff and Janet Napolitano, it was like three former DHS secretaries who came up with this idea to use DHS for domestic censorship.
And they justified it on the craziest grounds.
Here's what they said.
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This is back in 2018 when they took advantage of Jed Johnson's executive order to do this.
They said, we'd like to do this through the State Department because we already have our global engagement center who's doing this for terrorists.
We can just do this for MAGA people.
They said, the problem is the state is only foreign-facing.
They said, well, this is really an intelligence capacity.
So, you know, typically this would be the sort of thing that the CIA does when they lean on editors' desks abroad to not publish something.
They said, ah, but, you know, how are we going to structure this as a covert operation?
We can't get, you know, 10,000 people, security clearances in the private sector.
Also, the CIA faces outward.
We have the same problem with the State Department.
So I have a white paper where they laid this all out in October 2018, which is like right as they were forming CISA.
And then they said, okay, well, then how about the FBI?
Well, the FBI would be ideal because it's not subject to the domestic firewall that CIA and state are.
But FBI requires an act of suspected lawbreaking in order to expend federal resources because it's just the investigative arm of the Justice Department.
They said, so that leaves us with basically only one other option, which has never been tried.
We admit it's a legal gray area, but technically, you know, there's no prohibition on it, which is that we can use DHS because it's not attached to the Justice Department.
Well, they hopefully will be brought to justice, but they need to be brought to justice quickly because if we don't bring them to justice quickly, they're going to run the clock out on Trump, try to stall him out and run the clock out.
But if they feel threatened, then they'll manipulate us in an event.
There'll be a false flag event, which I know it's what you're worried about.
Yeah, he doesn't get them by proving he was right and they were frauds.
He gets them by the crimes they committed, indicting their asses.
If Trump doesn't indict them, it's like leaving for five hours and putting your two-year-old in a garage with 14 rabid, starving rabies, pit bulls, and 100 black widows and 65 Cobras.
I mean, it's getting bizarre at this point because we've said it very clearly, and I said on your show, that that's not what the story said.
Anybody can read the story and see that's not what it said.
And so there's this bizarre circular thing happening where the president cites a theory that he was wiretapped, which developed on this kind of fringe right-wing media.
And then after his tweet storm, InfoWars then started saying, well, look, it was the New York Times that reported it citing our story, misreading our story.
And now a few weeks later, the White House and the President are citing InfoWars.
So they've got one kind of bizarre right-wing fringe theory to defend another bizarre right-wing fringe theory, both of which there's no evidence to support.
And just to be clear here, there is, and correct me if I'm wrong, there's absolutely nothing whatsoever in your reporting in the New York Times that indicates President Obama wiretapped or ordered wiretapping of then-candidate Trump, correct?
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