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paul joseph watson ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that.
		I think he's just, uh, this left-wing ideologue that panders to his own audience, but, um, everything that we've seen, I mean, back in, uh, I think it was 2001, Alex interviewed Noam Chomsky, and, uh, suffice to say, I don't think they really saw eye to eye,
		um, so, to my mind, Chomsky doesn't have any relevance with, uh, the movement that's taking place now, and indeed, I rarely even read or see anything of Chomsky in the modern era, so I don't even know what he's doing at the moment, but he certainly doesn't seem relevant to what's going on politically in 2010.
		Now we're going to go to Mark in Minnesota.
		Mark, you're on the air.
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		It seems these days that a lot of people are acting like thugs, or elected officials, or People within the federal government and even the BP executives, so corporate and everything.
		It seems like the only ones that aren't acting like thugs at this time are the real patriots of this country.
		But what I wanted to ask you about, Paul, was you had a great article on the false flag, the oil spill leaning towards a false flag.
		But I read somewhere, and I can't remember where I read it, that the owner of the oil rig Yeah, I think I came across that, um, a few days ago.
paul joseph watson ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't in the original article I wrote, but, um, yeah, I'll definitely dig into it.
		Uh, what's confirmed is the fact that Goldman Sachs, uh, sold their stock in BP before this happened, that Tony Hayward, the CEO of BP, sold his stock before that.
		So, there were numerous financial, uh, agendas and motivations at work.
		And what I find interesting is this idea that, um, the oil in that region is naturally replenishing, that it's abiotic.
		So if that's true, the so-called relief wells that they're now putting in are going to have no effect whatsoever, and as many experts are predicting, this could drag on for years.
		So we've got to watch that.
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		To get into IMF global taxes can only be enforced through global government.
		Bankers prepared to assault Americans with VAT transaction taxes.
		London Guardian with a new financial VAT tax.
		I will cover this in the last hour today.
		Another chilling article that dovetails with the report by Paul Joseph Watson.
		Where the ADL is calling for law enforcement action against myself, Ron Paul, and others in a report.
		Southern Poverty Law Center actually did that in one of their reports.
		The ADL for myself and others.
		We have the full report up on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com and we have a video coming up in the last hour.
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		This is an article up at Infowars.com that Kurt Nemo has done.
		I think it's key for him to add a link at the top though to Watson's articles.
		You can put both these together.
		Also with what the ADL is doing.
		ADL calls for major law enforcement operations to deal with Obamacare critics.
		I talked about this two weeks ago when it first was in testimony in Congress and Then I kept getting emails saying, why haven't I covered it?
		So I covered it three or four more times.
		I got more emails saying, why haven't I covered it?
		So we've got Bill Murphy, we've had on years ago, back on the show coming up in the next segment.
		But because so much is happening, he was going to be on for a full hour.
		He'll probably be on about 40 minutes, because I need to, after he's on with us, have time to get into all this other news here.
		And the Dick Morris saying Bill Clinton personally orchestrated the 93 Waco tragedy and ties it into the government staging terror, basically.
		This is big news on that front coming up, but we'll be talking to Bill Murphy after the break with the Gold Antitrust Action Committee.
		We'll be discussing that with him.
		He's the chairman and director of the GATA, and that is coming up with really important news with whistleblowers and others coming out proving that Goldman Sachs We're Now
		the Southern Poverty Law Center doing it because these are serious soldiers.
		I mean the ADL serious soldiers So is the Southern Poverty Law Center running Elohim City and government documents been released them tied into McVeigh and what happened there?
		I mean they don't play games That's what we've been trying to explain to people.
		I mean, this is a military force.
		We're fighting and Have the mainstream media always wrapping them in patriotism and all this they're the opposite of patriotism the ADL Southern Poverty Law Center And this pretty much 100% confirms they're going to physically come after us or through law enforcement.
		And when this burden comes upon me, this realization of how right we've been, it's a burden of responsibility that I better make every radio show in the time I've got allotted, whether it's a day or 100 years, I better make it count.
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		To do that, I've got to get right with God completely.
		God's been calling me to take time off, to go away, to stay in a cabin for a month, to really have time to be still, so that the deeper understanding and the true message I have for people can be put out there.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, he testified it was on C-SPAN for the CFTC.
		He had about five minutes, so he read the information very, very quickly, so we get into the record.
		And he's Bill Murphy, chairman and director of GATA Gold Antitrust Action Committee.
		We've had him on over the years several times and other members of GATA.
		And so, there have been some huge new developments that have even ended up in a few mainstream newspapers in the last two weeks.
		Whistleblowers in the U.S. and England and others Coming out with JPMorgan Chase and others fixing gold and silver market.
		Now we've known this has gone on for a while, but now we're getting specifics.
		And they've been harassed.
		They've had a lot of problems since they've been exposing this.
		We'll talk about that.
		But this is a big deal because we've got the manipulation and the fact that Goldman Sachs and others were telling people to invest in derivatives while they were planning to implode them by design.
		They've now been indicted for that.
		You've got more and more coming out, but one of the biggest scams is the suppression of the gold and silver market in a kind of a reverse carry trade that they've been using there.
		And so even if you don't like silver and gold or aren't into real assets, this deals with the overall fraud and is really a central issue.
		And so he'll be with us for about the next 40 minutes or so, and he won't have to hurry.
		through his information.
		So, Mr. Murphy, thanks for coming on with us.
		You've got the floor.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		Great to be here, Alex.
		One thing that I know that some of your listeners may not care about gold and silver, but they certainly care about the economy and the financial markets.
		And January 31st, 2008 got a place at $264,000 full-page color ad in the Wall Street Journal, which was a couple of months before everything fell apart.
		In that ad, we talked about catastrophe and disaster coming because of the directly Uh, from the suppression of the price of gold, and it has to do with the relationship between gold and interest rates, and had they let the price of gold trade freely, it would have been much, much higher,
		would have been more of a warning sign, uh, it would have, the thermometer would have been off, there wouldn't have been maybe such risk-taking, but interest rates would have been, uh, so low as they were for so long, and so it directly affected, uh, every one of your listeners, because they've artificially kept the price of gold way below where it should be.
		If gold had kept pace with inflation, it would be $2,300 an ounce.
		And even trading with platinum, another precious metal used to trade before the suppression scheme about the same price.
		Platinum, I think, is $1,730 today.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely. The suppression of gold and silver is key to their entire derivatives fraud and allowed them to do what they've done now.
		They're now calling for world government, financial taxes, VAT on all banks and institutions, pay to the elite banks.
		They're involved in an all-or-nothing takeover right now, and this information could bring them down.
		You're starting to get some major traction.
		Break down how it works and the latest information.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		Well, the Gold Antitrust Action Committee was formed in January 1999 by my colleague Chris Powell and myself.
		Chris is the editor of a daily newspaper.
		And to expose the manipulation of the gold price by a bunch of bullion banks, like Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, and then we realized that the government was involved with it also, the Fed and the Treasury.
		And we've been on this 11 years, and we finally got a little daylight.
		I was on, somehow I got on CNBC 11 years ago, Ron and Donna, and that was the last time the American public heard from me in the mainstream.
		We've been banned ever since.
		And we got a break with this Commodity Futures Trading Commission, where there's a great commissioner there named Bart Shelton.
		It was like Elliot Ness, and he's really trying to do the right thing.
		And he got me on the docket to make a presentation in front of the CFTC, and that was on television.
		Of course, the only thing that the TV feed that went down was when I was speaking.
		And as soon as I was done, the feed gets back on.
		It's very interesting because what most people don't know, Chairman Getson, when it started, said, no, we're not going to get into specific allegations.
		We don't want to go there.
		And Bart Shields got livid.
		He went red in the face.
		He said, are we going to have censorship?
		And Chairman Gensler backed down, and then the TV feed went off.
		But in that presentation, I talked about how this concentration of positions by JPMorgan Chase and HSBC and other big banks are ridiculous.
		And they're way more than any other in any other commodity market in terms of this concentration issue.
		We then went on to explain what the manipulation was all about and so on.
		So it was quite a show because a whistleblower showed up and they wouldn't let him speak.
		He thought he was going to, named Andrew McGuire.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let's stop right there, Mr. Murphy, because I want to go over that and take your time on this.
		But it seemed to backfire that they cut the TV feed when you were testifying because it was recorded.
		It did end up getting out on the web.
		And so, I mean, that really Highlighted what you were saying for people and then that they wouldn't let the whistleblower speak.
		I mean, there's a serious cover up here.
		Go ahead.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well There is and what happened was this whistleblower Andrew McGuire got a hold of one of our directors Adrian Douglas and we wrote up what Andrew McGuire had to say and basically he told the CFTC by emails three and four or five months in advance what JP Morgan was going to do ahead of time.
		He says here's what they're going to do and when and I read how JPMorgan, that their traders were laughing at the public and ripping them off, that they're making all this money in the public as a bunch of dopes because they get suckered all the time by these people that are acting in collusive action.
		And so this, the email showed up, you know, Wednesday at DC and afterwards, I was able to present the press with these emails and so on.
		And then the next day, Andrew McGuire and his wife were hit by a car outside of London.
		It was a wild story where he was hit, and then the guy tried to get away and hit two more cars, and it was a helicopter chase, and you can't get much wildfire.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Did they catch the guy?
		This is amazing.
		Again, this is really at the foundation.
		It's like one of the bottom cards in a giant tower of cards that are about to topple their manipulation of precious Uh, metals.
		Please continue.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, one of our major issues, especially if we're concerned about, you know, what gold and silver is really where.
		One of the people who was actually a critic of ours said we were too conservative, that basically the amount of gold and silver trading in a day is 100 to 1 compared to what they actually have there in London in their vaults in gold and silver.
		And we believe at some point, just like what happened with Madoff and some of these other scandals, that a lot of people all want to go get their gold and silver at the same time, you could end up having a default.
		And it's going to get quite wild, I believe, in the months ahead.
		And the major thing is that we've now, because of the CFTC appearance, Now, in layman's terms, explain to people Why the system wants to suppress gold and silver and how they do it?
		Well, they do it two ways.
		One with physical gold, which they have to put in the marketplace.
		They take gold surreptitiously from central banks and feed it into the system.
		And then they use it under with derivatives on the COMEX and other financial markets.
		And they play with the price in the paper market.
		And one, the banks make money by flushing the specs out over the past, even though we've been in a 10-year bull market.
		They do it all the time, pick up $30, $40, $50 at a pop.
		And for the U.S.
		government, think about it.
		And what happens every time the price of gold goes nuts?
		People say, what?
		It's too much inflation?
		Crisis? Bad for the dollar?
		It's bad for Wall Street.
		It's bad for the politicians.
		It's bad for business.
		A rising gold price, whether right or wrong, suggests that something's wrong.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Because it reveals the worthless fiat nature of the hyperinflated derivative scam.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		And I know that's also what it does.
		In other words, we're printing all this money and so on.
		If the gold price were to rally $100 tomorrow, everyone would be jumping up and down about just what you're talking about.
		But because they keep knocking it down, there's very little conversation.
		It's kind of just subdued.
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bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		Continuum. One of President Putin's top economic advisors, Andrei Baikov, came.
		The price of gold was $4.36, and it wasn't going anywhere.
		That was the best conference he was ever at.
		And two days later, the gold price exploded and rallied $300 in the next nine months.
		And at that conference, I said, and it was my opinion, that if it was $4.36, then the price of gold is going to go to $3,000 to $5,000 an ounce, and that's what will be needed to clear the market.
		So we have a long way to go for any of your listeners that are interested in what I believe is a great investment, even though we've been up 10 years in a row now.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And clearly, though, they're losing control because it's gone from $300 to $1,145 where we stand today.
		So if you look at the graph, they're able to push the beach ball underwater, but then over time it continues to only go up.
		They can't hold it down.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a good point.
		And what we call it is it's a managed retreat.
		What they do is they never allow too much excitement to every end of the market.
		For example, seven times this year, gold has gone up exactly 2%.
		It's what we call a 2% rule.
		They work over the shares.
		For example, one of the big funds years ago, Oppenheimer lent the shares to JP Morgan, one of the kings of the gold cartel, to work over the share market.
		So they never allow too much excitement to enter the picture.
		So gradually, it's like a stealth bull market.
		There was an article the other day that said 93% of investors believe gold's going to go down from here.
		If that isn't bullish, I don't know what is.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely. So 93% believe that it's going to go up?
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		No, 93% think it's going to go down.
		In other words, the public is either neutral to bearish.
		And by the way, God has been right for the past 10 years about what the price of gold was going to do.
		Yet, if you go look at the records of the Wall Street firms, they've been neutral to bearish, almost every one of them, all the way up.
		I can't imagine any other sector or market where Wall Street could be so.
		And they're still that way today.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, to put that in layman's terms, it's...
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		In layman's terms, it means that there's nobody bullish.
		And when markets pop out, it's when everyone's bullish and there's too much excitement and enthusiasm.
		There's almost no enthusiasm about gold now.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Exactly. But the point is, they're always saying, Because they're paid to and they're always wrong that it's going to go down and that it's a bad investment.
unidentified		That's right.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But the people are ignoring them and they're losing all credibility.
		Stay there.
		Let's talk about this whistleblower story when we get back.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Bill Murphy, the head of GATTA, reveals whistleblower and gold price suppression is the YouTube video.
		They cut the TV feed when he testified and they wouldn't let Andrew McGuire, the...
		Independent metals trader turned whistleblower at the center of a storm for exposing what is the largest fraud in history.
		Max Kaiser, a year before they took down Iceland, was in the capital in the fanciest hotel in the bar, and there were Goldman Sachs people bragging about what they were planning to do there.
		And so he went out on TV about it, and of course then later it happened.
		Uh, but let's talk about this whistleblower himself.
		I mean, from your own research, you can confirm, but now you've gotten the emails.
		And I remember, for 10 years, different whistleblowers, uh, went to, uh, the different federal, uh, regulatory agencies with dossiers showing exactly how Madoff was stealing, uh, 50 to 100, depending on how you look at it, billion dollars, and they would never do anything about that.
		Uh, so please continue.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, we, we compare ourselves to Harry Markopoulos, who went to the SEC for 10 years, and since then, We've been going to the CFTC for 10 years saying, look, this is a fraud.
		I met with the Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert, the Senate Banking Committee, the Joint Economic Committee.
		We've been to President Bush's good friends here in Texas, boyhood friends.
		I got a fax back from Lawrence Winsley, his economic advisor at the time.
		So we've really gone after this thing.
		And we really got a break here with this Andrew McGuire because, ironically, he's a former Goldman Sachs trader.
		And it's another bar story.
		What happened was he was out with these JPMorgan Morgan guys, he's known them for years, and they were laughing at him and they probably had a little too much to drink and were saying what they were doing in the gold market.
		And so he got mad.
		And he said, you know, this is just wrong.
		And so that's when we got his information.
		He's been a member of my website, LeMetropoleCafe.com, for three or four years.
		I met him in London.
		He's a stand-up guy.
		He's a smart guy.
		He deals with agent banks in the bullion market, and he just came forth and just dropped this bombshell on the CFTC.
		So they're going to have a tough time letting this one go, because what do you explain to the public, especially if these gold and silver markets blow up like we think is going to occur?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Now let's be specific, and I've talked to a lot of high power people from Wall Street that also live here in Austin part of the year, and we've discussed this case, and they say absolutely.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		When you go to these elite bars, and you're an elite trader with one of the big firms, and you're in a different division, they are so arrogant and brazen, all they talk about is how we're scum, fools, how they're going to take over everything.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And they just constantly laugh and joke, because they know the government is run by their alumni.
		I mean, look at Goldman Sachs.
		They've got every major regulatory position filled.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		Well, half the treasurer of Goldman is what we call a Government Sachs, because half the people at the team at the Treasury Department But that's the issue.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		People ought to start going into these bars, these elite bars, which better wear a $2,000 suit, and start just recording these guys.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But again, he sent them emails.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		Andrew sent emails to the CFTC, to their legal counsel, saying, here's what's going to happen and when.
		And he said, watch it.
		And at certain days they seem to attack around job reports, certain government auctions and option expires and so on.
		And he said, "This is exactly what they're going to do." And the last time I think one point he mentioned is I think the price went down like 30 or 40 bucks per hour.
unidentified		That's a lot.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		So these things, this is just a bombshell that's slowly working its way around and festering.
		And finally it's given us the attention that we've earned.
		after working on this stuff for over a decade.
		And by the way, we're not just idle and just talk about it.
		We're suing the Fed.
		It was very difficult today for me to listen to President Obama talk about transparency, derivatives, financial market reform when he's allowing what's occurring in the gold and silver markets.
		So what we did, President Obama wants more transparency.
		We went to the Freedom of Information Act, and God asked him to tell us what the U.S.
		was doing in the gold swap area, just a gold transaction kind of thing.
		And they said, got back to us and said, no, they're exempt from telling us that they're secrets.
		And so we're suing him in federal court to try to get to the truth.
		It's the American people's gold, not theirs.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Obama passed the stimulus package that gave banks more power, and it retroactively let all the banks keep all their bonuses and run all their scams.
		And it's not just me saying this.
		I mean, I'm reading what the Texas Banking Association is saying, and their analysis is identical to mine, that this new regulatory framework at the G20 and the national level gives the select banks, JPMorgan, Chase, Goldman Sachs, and a handful of others, the power to take over all the healthy regional banks that aren't in derivatives.
		And sets up a value-added tax on all financial transactions that's paid to the coffers of the IMF and World Bank, and then fenced directly in to the private central banks.
		I mean, this is so incredible, and it's being billed as getting the rich bankers.
		Stay there.
		Let's talk about how they manipulate gold on the other side now.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		the chairman and director of GATA, Gold Antitrust Action Committee, is our guest.
		Let's get back into more of what The Whistleblower said, how we know the big banks and governments fix the price of gold and silver, the way they make profits out of this, how this is detrimental to the public, and how we support GATA and what you're doing,
		because clearly there's a fuse going to this keg of TNT that could blow this This Ponzi scheme, this fraud, sky high, and really reveal all these crimes that have been committed.
		This is clearly illegal, but we want to make sure that fuse that's now burning burns faster, hotter, and doesn't, you know, sometimes you light a firecracker, it doesn't burn all the way.
		It stops, it sputters.
		So how do we ensure this is a touchdown for the good guys?
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		Well, shows like this are a big help, Alex, and we're trying to be as visible as possible because once people look at it and really study the evidence, they go, good grief.
		And if I might say, you know, on some of the subjects you were talking about, it's not just gold.
		There's a lot of people that can talk about the plunge protection team, which is the working group in financial markets, president, I think treasurer, head of the SEC and head of the CFTC, work to stabilize the markets.
		And there's something I've never heard one other person mention called the Counterparty Risk Management Group.
		And if any of your people are interested, they can do a Google, Counterparty Risk Management Group, and you'll see it's a group of the hedge funds and some of the big Wall Street firms, and you'll see their main mantra is headed up by a lot of the Goldman Sachs people is to create, quote, stability in the market.
		And they're behind the scenes working on the stock market.
		That's one reason we believe you've had this steady upgo, you know, geez, for it seems like forever.
		It just never seems to correct and just goes up a little bit every day and so on.
		So it's pervasive in our markets in addition to gold and silver, which, by the way, they're just tiny little markets for these people.
		Even if they lost money on this, it would be like a lost leader for the government.
		If you think of the trillions now, we talk in those numbers these days, what the government's doing, the little gold market is just this little barometer that they want to have diffused, and that's why they work it over in the physical market and the derivatives and tack at certain times and flush out the speculators, get people demoralized, and then it goes right back up again.
		Like you said earlier, like a beach ball, it's submerged.
		It can't keep it down.
		And we have a long way to go here, and we're working very hard at it.
		I talk about the gold market every day at lemetropolecafe.com, and people can sign up for a two-week free trial.
		And if they like it, it's a subscription.
		But the GATA site, they'll go to www.gata.org.
		It's a free site.
		Chris Powell puts out emails all the time.
		He just does a fantastic job alerting people what's going on so they can keep abreast of the situation.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, in the aggregate it is, but it could become the biggest market and it would unseat I didn't mean,
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		by the way, to diminish the gold and silver issue or the size of it, just in terms of, like, If you talk about market caps or anything like this, it's a tiny market, but it's actually the most important market for just what you're talking about.
		When that goes, it will be headlines all over the world, because gold and silver are not just American markets, they're world markets.
		And it's going to be a major, major story.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And it unseats all of the major global currencies that are being debased in a concerted effort on record by the G20 so that people don't recognize.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of like in the U.S., you know, they've got a debased currency in Mexico because it's 3-to-1, 4-to-1, but instead now, with the euro and all the other major currencies, they're devaluing them basically simultaneously.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's right, right to the point.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		Matter of fact, I mentioned Russia earlier, like the NBC of Russia, Studio One, Well, Russia,
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		if you actually, Anthony Sutton and others got the U.S. government documents on this, and of course you work for the Senate, that the large central banks here and in England funded the communists, and when The Russians in the late 90s kicked out the oligarchs.
		It turned out they were all fronts for Western brokerage houses and banks, and Russia's got its own problems, but Russia is now, in many cases, more free market than we are.
		They pay people to have children, though.
		Our government wants a one-child policy.
		They've arrested the oligarchs.
		They're talking about world government.
		They're talking about the New World Order.
		And they're covering all these subjects because, for the first time in close to 100 years, there appears to be a real fissure between Russia and the Anglo-American banking establishment.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		I'm responsible for the gold price suppression scheme, and right now it's a big deal, the gold subject, because Gordon Brown's running for re-election, and he sold half their gold right at the bottom of the market, and I have this all laid out with his connection with Goldman Sachs.
		The bullion banks were in trouble back then.
		They needed supply, so he sold England's gold at the bottom.
		It's cost him billions and billions of dollars, and we're trying to make some hay with this one before the election over there in England.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely. That's the type of thing they do.
		And, of course, you go back to 1933 when they made physical holding of gold illegal.
		And then they jacked up the price a few years ago.
		They doubled it after all our gold had basically been shipped to Europe.
		So they run these scams.
		Other points that are important for people to be made aware of, looking into your crystal ball and talking to people in the markets, I don't want you to make a prediction, but if you had to dead reckon, how do you see this unfolding?
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		Probably like every other scandal, whether it's Revco or Brokerage House or Enron or Madoff, it blows up.
		And then all of a sudden, everyone's running around saying, how could this have happened?
		And everybody, you know, people delve into the facts of the story, and that's how it's exposed, unfortunately.
		And it's likely to be the way it's going to happen here, where silver and gold just absolutely explode.
		There's some defaults in the marketplace.
		People can't deliver on their promises to deliver, you know, What's the timeframe?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		next two, three years?
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, it's so tough about the time frame.
		You know, I mean, it could happen in two weeks or two years.
		It's just one of these things.
unidentified		Had we not had the financial scandal, And a lot of this is up to the listeners of this show.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We have several million listeners.
		Get the censored video of you and others out to people if they get the censored documents out.
		I mean, that's why Obama politically now is going after, with the SEC, Goldman, with a $5 million fine, slap on the wrist, an investigation, maybe some underling will go on probation.
		They're having to at least do that because it's political suicide if they don't.
		We need to force this out all the way into the open because even though this is a whitewash investigation, it's now opening up more lawsuits.
		It's now legitimizing those of us that have exposed the corruption of the main pilots That's right.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		The irony is, is that right now the two honchos are HSBC and JPMorgan Chase, where Goldman Sachs was the ringleader in this thing for, I don't know, 6, 7, 8, 9 years.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		They've disappeared of late, maybe because they're concentrating on the stock market, I don't know, but everywhere we looked for a period of 8 or 9 years, Goldman Sachs was everywhere on this particular issue.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yes? Yeah, they're now top of the heap.
		Their underlings are now carrying on this operation.
		Yes, I believe he is.
		I think the most important point you made is 90-plus percent.
		I think you gave the number of 93 percent.
		I'm looking at news today.
		Gold weaker as Greece debt issue back on front burner.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the same reason.
		The commentary is ludicrous in this industry.
		Last week, gold was up because of the Greek problems.
		Then it's down.
		If these people hit the market, then the reporters just talk about anything.
		Gold could be up 50 bucks on the Greek debt problems.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I was about to say, just as a layman here, but I've done a lot of research.
		Having major currency crises that even in the words of Merkel and the words of Soros could bring down the euro.
		This could bring down the euro and by every barometer that should shoot gold straight up and there's all these headlines about gold down five dollars or four and a half dollars.
		Let me give you the exact number folks.
		Gold's down four dollars and seventy cents right now and the media is saying because currencies are in trouble.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		Over the years, and we've seen this, any followers, I know there's a bunch of people listening on your show, the worse the situation, or the better it is for gold, or the more reasons for people to go to gold, that's when the gold cartel attacks the price.
		Because they want to diffuse the barometer, tone down the thermometer.
		They do it all the time.
		It's just, again, it's ridiculous for people to say gold's going down because of the crisis.
		You know, it's just nuts.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, it is nuts.
		But again, they know people are looking at a month-to-month or week-to-week graph.
		You look at the year graph, you look at the two-year, the three-year, the four-year, the five, gold's going straight up.
		And if it continues like this, what, another 10 years, we'll be looking at $2,000 announced.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		We'll be looking at $2,000 probably in another year, not 10 years.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, absolutely.
		But I mean, even in a suppressed market, even if they continue this scam, You know, in 10 years it would double again.
		That's a great investment.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
		What's happening is they're running out of available central bank gold.
		People think that the gold industry says there's 30,000 tons of gold in central bank vaults.
		According to the work of our guys, which are pretty pretty top-shelf guys, there's less than 15,000 tons.
		European central banks were selling four to five hundred tons of gold a year.
		The past three or four months, they haven't sold an ounce.
		It's drying up.
		Think of an army that's running out of ammunition.
		The bad guys are running out of ammunition.
		All they can do is have a rear guard action.
		But it's painful on these dips.
		We should be at 2,300.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just did the math, and I was wrong.
		I was just throwing a basic number out there.
		If gold is up almost fourfold in the last ten years, then it's exponential if it was doubling $2,300 an ounce.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		That's what it would be and that's according to many other people.
		Had it kept pace with inflation and that's just the published inflation numbers, much less the real inflation numbers.
		We have a long way to go.
		Again, if I can stress this, the bad guys are running out of ammunition to keep the price down, and you're going to see some kind of major league firework sometime this year.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But they do have a lot of money behind the scenes.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		But they're running out of physical gold.
		That's their problem.
		They've gone through about 1,000 tons per year for 15 years.
		There's a supply-demand deficit of, say, that amount.
		And they've kept the price under control on the way up by using this physical goal, but they're hitting the wall.
		One of our guys, our consultants predicted this.
		We had a conference in Durban, South Africa, May 10, 2008.
		Wow, so we could see this in the next month or the next two years, but time is on our side.
		Yeah, it's coming.
		It's inevitable.
		I mean, it's just a matter of how much, again, how much ammunition they can come up with at a given time to meet the growing physical market demand.
		So it's very exciting, very frustrating on a day-to-day basis.
		But again, we've been up 10 years in a row.
		And as you said earlier, the acceleration, phase is still ahead of us.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		In closing, we have the head of GATA, Bill Murphy, chairman, director of GATA, on with Going back to the whistleblower, you say he and his family were hit by a car.
		I remember seeing that in the news, that the person ran, and that we haven't heard what's happened since then.
		How is Andrew McGuire doing?
		Have you had a chance to talk to him?
		Is he getting better?
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		He's fine.
		He's talking to my colleague, Adrian Douglas, quite a bit.
		He's getting...
		There's a bunch of interviews.
		People are talking to him over there, and I think he's going further with the legal counsel, the CFTC.
		It's a process.
		You know, these investigations do take a long time.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me do this with you.
		Let me put you on hold and have my producer talk to you.
		I would like to get you or your other colleague on with Mr. McGuire for a full hour sometime next week.
		I think people need to hear directly from the whistleblower who saw these JPMorgan Chase people, you know, rubbing their hands together in glee.
		Do you think that's doable, Mr. Murphy?
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		I'd be fine with me.
		I have to go to Miami to meet somebody at the President's office.
		I'd love to do it.
		I'd just have to see what Andrew's schedule is.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and you also talked about your other colleague that's working with him.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		He's an oil consultant, but he's free.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure he'd love to do it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Sure. I mean, just the more the merrier, getting your different perspectives here.
		I want to thank you for your tireless 11-year effort.
		It's certainly bearing fruit.
		I mean, there you were, 260-something bucks an ounce back when you started, and it's $1,145 today.
		And so we're having a great victory.
		I'm going to put you on hold, sir, and try to iron some of those basics out right now about getting the whistleblower on the show at your convenience, Andrew McGuire.
		Perhaps we can get his contact info from you.
		Thank you so much for joining us, sir.
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		Anytime, Alex.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Amazing information.
		We're going to get his info now with Jaron and get that set up.
		I tell you, folks, AP sued, now it's 10 years ago, and got all the internal minutes of the meetings between the Big Ten oil companies, how they said there's too much oil, we're going to promote peak oil, we're going to tell the school kids and everybody there's no oil, we're going to fund the environmental movement to brainwash people about this, and we're going to buy up the independent refineries and shut them down, and we're going to restrict oil that way.
		And the Pentagon comes out last week and says there's no more oil, and within two years you're all going to be paying seven bucks a gallon.
		Water. There's more water than ever.
		There's all these ways to get water, even in areas like Southern California.
		But they tell you, even in areas of washing water like England, oh, you're going to pay double, triple, quadruple.
		Now there's no water.
		When England has more water than any other island nation.
		I mean, it's just the giant aquifers everywhere, incredible precipitation, huge reservoirs, and it's just scams.
		And here in Austin, they just say, hey, we are going to give you a $2.6 billion, this is Austin Energy, tax over the next three years on your natural gas and power.
		That's more than all the taxes every year combined, just one new tax bigger than everything combined.
		And it's for the earth and for the children, and just shut up!
		We're going to do it!
		We're lawless scum!
		And who do they pay the money to?
		The banks!
		And the city of Austin has taken almost all the pension funds and invested it in the derivatives.
		And now the bankers have come to them and said, you better raise a bunch of taxes because there's going to be no money.
		And they go and do...
		I mean, it's just...
		We have to get out of bed with these crooks.
		You're like, well, I'm not working with the crooks.
		Well, neither am I. But we're still in bed with them.
		We still live in a country that absolute criminal scum run.
		And they've already committed millions of crimes, so why not commit 10 million more?
		Why not just steal everything?
		They've already stolen everything that wasn't nailed down.
		Now they're in there with crowbars, stealing what is nailed down.
		They've taken the kitchen sink.
		They're pulling the tile up.
		They're pulling the drapes out.
		They're now bulldozing the building for timber.
		And we're in here with it collapsing, going, hey, don't enslave us.
		And they're saying, shut up, terrorist.
		You're planning to stage terror attacks.
		We're like, excuse me, we're just pointing out your crime.
		Shut up, terrorist.
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		This is Ted Anderson.
		I am covering for Alex for the moment on this particular segment He'll be back on again right after this, but I just wanted to get it in He asked me if I would come up during this segment.
ted anderson ▲ ● ▼		He'll be back live tomorrow Looking at the news.
unidentified		I tell you there's so many stories on what's going on in gold I didn't know which one to touch, but I think probably the one from Reuters is going to be the most significant one that'll affect people here in the United States and it just the the the heading says this US Gold's gains as safety play after Greece rate cut and what does that mean?
		Moody's stepped in and downgraded the credit rating of Greece down to junk bond status.
		And why is that significant here in the United States?
		And probably the main reason that I can think of is that the United States is about two years behind Greece as far as how much government obligation there is in relationship to the GDP or the production of what the United States citizens produce.
		Once we get up above 100% of our GDP, we're going to be sitting in the same position as Greece.
		And that means that we're going to have to pay higher interest for people to lend us money, driving our costs up on our debt, and the United States can't even afford its obligations where we're at right now with 0% interest.
ted anderson ▲ ● ▼		You know, if the people that are trading in the bond market knows what this means, for those of you who have further interest and would like to know what's going on in the markets, what does this mean to you, how will this affect your portfolio, I mean, he really does cover this.
unidentified		He covers it well.
		He explains it in layman's terms that the average person can understand.
		You don't have to be a sophisticated investor to figure out what the heck he's trying to say.
		Higher interest rates just means a slowing of the economy.
		It means higher costs.
		To the anybody that's trying to borrow money including if you're looking to buy a home or anything like that And, of course, the United States' obligation is going to go up through the roof.
ted anderson ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how they're going to cover it.
unidentified		There's just simply not enough money being taxed out of the citizens.
ted anderson ▲ ● ▼		You can't take more than they're already taking.
unidentified		It's way past what I consider a safe zone.
		And, of course, that's what's inspiring people to buy gold.
		And that's what's pushing investors into the gold at this time.
ted anderson ▲ ● ▼		We have gold running up as high as $1,233 an ounce today.
unidentified		And, you know, no kidding.
		Because Europeans are watching this happen to them, and now here in the United States, we're going to be suffering through the same process.
		It's a shame that we put ourselves into this position.
		There's no excuse for it.
		But we are still offering, if you want that international forecaster subscription for free, Bob charges $159 per year, but if you buy one franc from us at $2.65, We'll buy that subscription for you.
		And I mean, I do buy it.
ted anderson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I have to pay Bob for this, but we'll buy it for you.
unidentified		And you'll either get it by email four times a month, or you're going to get it by snail mail two times a month.
ted anderson ▲ ● ▼		But either way, I just need to say it's what you need to do if you want to understand what's going on in the marketplace.
ted anderson ▲ ● ▼		Right now, gold is trading at that $1,230 level, so it is going up.
unidentified		Prices are rising due to the fact that we're having further erosions in Europe, and the Europeans are starting to shore up their portfolios, and they know that there's a risk in buying U.S. government treasury bills.
ted anderson ▲ ● ▼		Treasury bills are the obligations in the United States that come due every 30, 60, 90 days because they have such a short-term We're good.
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unidentified		corruption. Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
unidentified		you Thank you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So, Bob Chapman, I can't say on air what TV network the person works for that you were just mentioning, can I? I don't think you should.
bob chapman ▲ ● ▼		They know.
		They monitor all these programs.
		They just get more mad and try to figure out what to do about it.
		But these people aren't going to go away, and we're not going to go away either.
		And we're just going to keep on doing what we're doing, which is waking people up to the truth.
		And it'll all fall in place, and if we don't do a good enough job, he'll step in, the Lord, and he'll help us, just like you said earlier.
		So let's just keep on doing what we're doing, but you're going to help us out there.
		Especially help people like the gentleman and his wife who are just on here.
		It's incredible what they're going through.
		And I'm sure these sort of things are going on throughout the country.
		And we can't have that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I see reports every day that dwarf even that.
		It's just I know these people.
		It's happening all around us.
		For the average person in government, though, who's even involved in corruption, they're compartmentalized.
		They don't get the big picture.
		They haven't studied it.
		I mean, now the government's openly announcing every week they're going to start taking pension funds.
		I mean, that's now what the good guys do, and they're going to use Homeland Security to make sure it happens?
		I mean, this is pure evil.
		They've thrown their lot in with pure evil.
		It's not too late for a lot of these guys that work for evil to make the decision to join the Patriots.
bob chapman ▲ ● ▼		An exit.
		And, you know, that's where they get them.
		They need to make a living, and of course the economy's terrible.
		And if you leave your post, where are you going to work?
		They're not even hiring garbage collectors.
		It's bad out there, and it's going to get a lot worse.
		And so these people, a lot of them are trapped.
		They say, well, I don't want to do that.
		Well, if you don't, you're out of here.
		Just like the policemen, they say, look, you've got to write 40 tickets a month.
		And that's the end of it.
		If you don't, you're out of here.
		You know, you're going to either be demoted or we're going to replace you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And then they lie about it and say there aren't quotas, but now they admit there's quotas.
bob chapman ▲ ● ▼		Finally. After, you know, what, a hundred years?
		You know, some states are really dreadful.
		And I got a letter today from someone who lived in New Jersey.
		I mean, it's incredible.
		I mean, they need to raise revenues so badly that they're, you know, It doesn't matter whether you break the law or infractions, they're going to pull you over anyway, because they need the money.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what Robin Hood went through, and that's what all of our ancestors, regardless of what color you are or where you came from, this is the old fight.
		You get corrupt government, it gets filled with criminals, they start robbing everybody, and there's no doubt we've got a really bad brand of tyranny taking over the West.
		But the people are waking up.
		Dr. Frederick Whitehurst thinks things are better now than they were a decade ago.
		We just now know things are bad, so it seems like it's worse.
		He thinks the tide is starting to turn.
		Do you agree?
bob chapman ▲ ● ▼		Don't know.
		I hope he's right, but I never do things on hope.
		I always try to deal with the cold, hard facts that I can see and what I might be able to back into, knowing The only way you can understand these people, particularly at the upper levels, is understanding the very sophisticated criminal mind.
		And if you can understand the next thing that this criminal is going to do, you can stop them.
		And we know what they're going to do.
		The invisible government.
		Right there.
		You've got it right there in the DVD.
		That's what we've got to get out to people so they can better understand What they're dealing with, people in $4,000 suits running around robbing the world.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Do you agree that they're going to stage events very, very soon to be blind on the Tea Party?
bob chapman ▲ ● ▼		Yes. And it just won't be the Tea Party.
		It'll be all over the place.
		And they don't have to be major events.
		They can be small ones.
		They want to keep people's minds in turmoil.
		That's why they create these wars.
		People don't worry about economics and finance if they think There are three boys who are over in Afghanistan, Iraq, and, say, Haiti, are going to get killed tomorrow morning.
		They're more concerned about that, and that's why they have these wars.
		Of course, they want to get rid of people, too.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And they want to destroy the economy so that everybody's too busy trying to pay the rent and pay the car payment and the insurance payment, or fighting off the CPS to stand up against corruption.
		Bob, thanks for spending time with us, TheInternationalForecaster.com.
		We'll see you again next Friday.
		God bless you.
bob chapman ▲ ● ▼		You got it.
bob chapman ▲ ● ▼		Thank you all for listening.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Couple months ago, Texas Monthly, uh...
		I guess three or four now, called me, did an in-depth interview.
		I thought it was going to be a bad hit piece, because mainstream media always does hit pieces, but it was pretty fair.
		I mean, I'd say 80% accurate.
		And I'd actually interviewed the reporter who exposed Thule, a Texas drug dealing, and how they had right at half the black population of the town in the jail owned by the local boss hog, and they were planting drugs on him.
		And that was Nate Blaseley.
		And then they said, yeah, we've got Dan Winters doing the photo shoot.
		And I don't I mean, I like photography, but I'm not a photography expert or a photography buff.
		But I knew the name Dan Winters because he's in the top two or three, four reporters, not just in the U.S., but in the world.
		Time magazine, Newsweek.
		I mean, you name it.
		This guy has photographed.
		You know, We're going to be showing some of those images for prisonplanet.tv viewers.
		For radio listeners, they can go to danwinnersphoto.com and look at some of these.
		And so, I mean, I don't know who top photographers are, but I knew who Dan Winters was.
		And then he built a whole stage, a whole set for me, out in his place, out in the Texas Hill Country.
		And then he was telling me, in between the shoots, You know, all these wild stories about different politicians or people he refused to photograph.
		And so he's here until the end of the show, end of the hour.
		And so we're very, very honored to have him here.
		Weatherstan Winters began his career in photography as a photojournalist in his hometown in Ventura County, California, widely recognized for his celebrity portraits, scientific photography, and photojournalistic stories.
		He's won over 100 national and international awards.
		His wide range of publications and clients include Esquire, Fortune, Entertainment Weekly, Texas Monthly, Rolling Stone, Nike, Microsoft, Warner Brothers, and Sony.
		And in 2003, Dan was honored by Kodak as photo icon in their Biographical Legends series.
		So he is a photography icon, and he is here with us.
		Dan, thanks for being here.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Good to see you, Alex.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Good to see you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Last time it was under totally different circumstances, but I'm at the receiving end of the sharp stick now, rather than you, so...
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		It's good to be here.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, I tell you, you did an amazing job.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		I mean, yeah, I was pretty thrilled.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		These are some incredible photos.
		In fact, we'll put some of the photos he took of me up there and then some of the others.
		You're here.
		I appreciate you coming in.
		I mean, you're on the Big Conspiracy Theorist Show.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's good.
		That's good.
		You know, the thing about you and the thing about what you do and what you guys do, I think, is that, you know, it's more than a full-time job to keep Keep track of all this stuff.
		And so, you know, you know, the normal Joe goes to work.
		He comes home from work.
		He kicks back.
		He has his beer.
		He watches Fox News.
		He doesn't have time to pay attention to this stuff.
		And so I've always admired people, regardless of where their position was, that kind of really pay attention to this stuff.
		And, you know, I've done I've dabbled in it, you know, and I think the most kind of almost one of the most sort of insulting or at least kind of patronizing sort of responses that that people give me whenever I talk about these issues is You know, instantly that you're like demoted to, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist, rather than having like an open minded conversation about something that you've looked into.
		It's like, you know, I looked into, you know, flight 93, for example, you know, I became curious, I'm interested in aerospace, I heard some of the reports, well, you know, they were making cell phone calls and this and that.
		And I'm like, well, you know, the infrastructure for a cell phone call from 30,000 feet isn't in place.
		And it's, you know, I have no idea what happened.
		It's neither here nor there.
		But I question it from a We're good to
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		call from his wife and didn't talk to her.
		FBI admitted that it came out two weeks ago.
		The ACLU sued and got the documents where Cheney ordered the commission not to look at the attacks.
		And it was a cover up.
		We have six of the 10 commissioners saying it's a criminal cover up.
		John Farmer.
		But then we're not supposed to even ask questions as citizens.
		I know we're supposed to sit down and shut up.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, you look at it, too, and you look at the evidence and you look oftentimes what happens with any crime scene is, you know, the first responders are the only ones that get any imagery.
		After that, it's completely closed off.
		So they made this like ridiculous airplane shaped pit in the ground that had some smoldering embers, almost like they put some charcoal in there and ignited it, you know, and the official sort of FBI and they handled it as a crime scene. So the FBI handled the site, the FBI shouldn't.
		Is that right?
		Yes. So they made this really ridiculous looking airplane shaped crater that was smoldering.
		And that was obviously to sort of, you know, to, uh, uh, uh, to please the media with, you know, some sort of like visual.
		And, uh, and, and there was this ridiculous diagram that came out that I saw that I wish I had actually brought, um, that was the official FF, uh, FBI, um, version of how the crash took place and what happened.
		And so basically what they said is the airplane came down in a straight dive, hit the ground and the entire plane went under the ground that, and they had a diagram that drawn.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Meanwhile, separately, the state police said an eight mile debris field engines five miles away.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		I know, I know what indicates high altitude, you know, a catastrophic failure at high altitude, which indicates a missile, obviously, you know, you know, it's kind of like, it's the most ridiculous thing.
		And, and once again, you know, my friends instantly, you know, they're like, well, what do you think happened?
		What do you think this?
		What do I don't know why.
		I don't know how.
		I can tell you, though, that that aircraft didn't hit the ground in one piece, because obviously, you know, an engine isn't going to end up five miles away from a crash site.
		You can look at, you know, crash site after crash site after crash site that, you know, that's been investigated by the F.B.A., that's widely photographed, and when a plane, you know, breaks up at altitude, the debris through, you know, Flight 111 over, you know, in New— Lockerbie.
		No, no, that was 111 was the one in Nova Scotia.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Nova Scotia.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was...
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, we know debris fields, even when they crash into mountains or fields that they're...
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Normally hundreds and hundreds of yards long.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely. Contained, reasonably contained, right?
		But at altitude, the Lockerbie one, how big was the debris field there?
		Massive. Yes.
		High altitude, burst, etc.
		So, you know, it's one of those things where it's so insulting.
		You know, if you do, you know, if you have an open mind, you have an understanding of some of these things, which, you know, I'm interested in these things, and you do two hours of research with existing imagery, you know, it's ludicrous that you would try to be sold that line.
		Then you've got Building 7. Well, Building 7, I know you're an expert on.
		I don't know as much about it, but I have researched the Pentagon one quite a bit.
		And that's another one that's absolutely ludicrous.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		There's no engine holes, and there's a 16-foot hole.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		There's a 16-foot hole, no engine holes.
		And if you know, you know, the structural integrity of an aircraft, once it's compromised, those things are made out of thin aluminum.
		They, you know, once it's compromised, those things will, you know, they'll crush so easily, right?
		But the engines are these masses, right, of titanium.
		They're heavy, heavy, heavy.
		They're not going to break.
		up. You know, it's like if you see any imagery of car bombs in the Middle East, for example, you know, you have the entire car completely disintegrated, right?
		But there's always an engine block sitting there.
		That thing does not break up.
		You know, it's the one piece that like stays intact.
		So, you know, when you see, even on the debris field in Flight 93, right, the debris field's eight miles wide.
		There's an engine five miles away.
		The photographs of the engine are the engine, It's intact.
		It's an engine.
		So when the cruise missiles, what I think, hit the Pentagon, on either side of that hole, there should have been massive holes, and the windows aren't even broken.
		It's like the most insulting.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And then later, after hours of fire, part of the roof caves in.
		Exactly. And they try to show that on the news.
		We have hundreds of these big high-def photos that the government even took, and it's a smoking hole that looks like a perfect missile blast, and everybody smelled cordite.
		Then they released some blurry image six years after that doesn't even show anything and say, there's the plane.
		Meanwhile, they had hundreds of high-def cameras.
		They won't release those.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Right, of course.
		And the one image that they do release, if you lay a 757 over the size of that image, it's dwarfed.
		It has a small profile, small signature, and a 757 would dwarf that thing and make a bigger hole and the wings and the engines.
		It's like ludicrous.
		And the fact that it happened to hit the mainly unoccupied section of the Pentagon, it was under construction.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Why do they think we're so dumb?
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		And the other thing, too, is I know a lot of pilots.
		I've flown quite a bit in my life.
		The idea that, you know, setting up an approach to hit a runway starts 20 or 30 or 50 miles away from the runway because you get into your approach, you set it up, and you go into like a controlled descent, and basically you fly the aircraft right to the ground, right?
		put it into a controlled descent, get into ground effect, and hit it, what, 12 feet above the ground?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Perfect. Perfect like hundreds of top pilots said they couldn't do that on their best day.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		I know they couldn't even do it they couldn't be that precise with it because you know getting in into ground effect where you're riding on that air cushion and riding it right into that even when they've had 50 60 miles to get ready you come in and Only the best pilots can set them down smooth, but still they have to time it just right.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		And that's why a runway is 9,000 feet.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And the plane comes in like this.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't come in perfectly.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		It's ridiculous.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		So tell me about Building 7, because you know more about that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, no, Dan, we've got you here.
		That's why I knew you'd be perfect for radio, because you and I were just, you know, really hit it off and we're talking.
		You said you had a lot of friends that were listeners.
		And I'm just honored to have you here.
		And I wanted to talk about some of the interesting stories with celebrities and politicians and also just get your view on the world.
		and ask how you became such an awesome photographer.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Started when I was a kid.
		My favorite thing to do.
		I think the thing I'm most grateful for in my life is that, you know, every day I get up and I do exactly what I love to do.
		And, you know...
		I think the majority of the people that are, you know, have an interest, have a hobby, you know, it's an after work and enterprise, you know, it can't be parlayed into a career.
		And yeah, I don't know, I feel really fortunate about it.
		But also, I, on some level, I'm not really surprised to buy it, you know, because it was always my passion.
		It was always what I felt like I would do.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		If you follow your passion and do it because it's a passion, you're going to be successful.
		100%. Everybody else I've run into are trying to be famous or trying to be successful.
		If you just have passion.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Exactly. Yeah, if you if you know, it's the way you're expressing your passion in the universe.
		Someone told me that said if the universe if you have something to give the universe the universe will beat a path to your door and I really believe that you know, it's like, you know, I'm a freelancer and I've been freelance for about 25 years and people ask me all the time like oh my God, how can you how can you live like that?
		You have no idea what you're doing next month, you know, don't you want some kind of steady job on this and that and you know about 20 years ago.
		I made peace with it.
		I believe in the process.
		I put myself out there.
		Out there and I feel like every time I do a job, I'm really respectful and reverent of the fact that the client's trusting me.
		They're investing their money in me and I knock it out of the park every time.
unidentified		You do.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Dan Winters, stay there.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We're going to break back in just a few minutes.
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		He's the T-Rex of political talk.
		Alex Jones on the GCN.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, one of the top photographers in the world.
		I mean, I've looked him up.
		Some say the top photographer in the world.
		I mean, there's no one more prolific.
		And we're honored to have him.
		We're going to be scrolling through some of the politicians, movie stars, you name it, religious leaders that he has photographed from PrisonPlanet.tv viewers, or you can go to DanWinnersPhoto.com to see a lot more.
		Because he has computers in his office, and I'd be seeing photos of Schwarzenegger and photos of Al Gore.
		They're all so unique and just almost like a lens.
		Take the spirit of somebody and then magnify it.
		I think that's what Dan Winters does.
		And we're going to talk about how you're able to do that, or is it just a...
		I'm not saying you're an idiot, but you know what I mean.
		I think of myself with political stuff sometimes.
		It's just, you just know you have that talent.
		But going back to the term conspiracy theorist, you're right.
		It's just a label they throw on people to say, oh this information can't be looked at.
		This information, it's a way to downgrade it.
		When really just questioning the system is what any free human is supposed to do.
		I mean, here's the Globe and Mail today.
		The dangerously unbalanced world of global governance.
		They're admitting world government's being established, it's run by the banks, but then they say you're a conspiracy theorist if you don't want to be a slave of banks.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Exactly. And I'm sure you've probably used the quote on your show, probably on more than one occasion, but there's that great quote by Goering.
		Thank you.
		implies that if you resist it at all, that, oh, man, you're not patriotic.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Or the new freedom initiative to put half of America's kids on psychotropic drugs.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That's a new freedom.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
		What about the, I mean, talk locally.
		What about the police chief in Austin with the mandatory, if you refuse breathalyzer, the mandatory blood test?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Without even having warrants.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Where they take you to a hospital and they violate your physical body to get blood out of you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And now they're training the cops to do it.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		It's unbelievable to me that anybody would stand for that for one second.
		I mean, clearly, historically, there's been policies that have been administered that have, you know, if it's taken a while to get rid of them because you have to go through the appellate courts into the Supreme Court.
		And then suddenly it's deemed like unconstitutional.
		But in the meantime, you know, people are being, and believe me, you know, I think drunk driving is aberrant and I would not participate in it at all.
		But the idea that you can actually like take blood out of someone's body.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, they undermine the Bill of Rights and Constitution for a supposed greater good.
		but we know they're scientifically really just targeting the general population.
		Homeland Security, we've got in our internal documents, it's really all pointed at the American people from the beginning.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely. I did a really interesting piece, and I wish I had actually given you the photograph, but I was hired by a magazine to actually Esquire, and they were doing a piece on FAA and the TSA people and the way they screen.
		And the guy that was the head of the program within the FAA to test screening, and he was an ex-Navy SEAL, and his job, he had a small group of individuals, and their job was to breach airport security.
		And so what they would do is they'd look for patterns.
		They'd go into the airport, they'd look for patterns.
		They'd do exactly what you would do if you were trying to breach airport security.
		You would educate yourself on what it was, on their methods, on their means, and then you would do it, right?
		So the whole idea of, like, the TSA screening and stuff, while I agree there should be some kind of, you know, checks and balances for people getting on an airplane, it's such a band-aid.
		When we go on jobs, we carry on, you know, $25,000 worth of cameras, and we carry them on, and it's a big case full of electronic equipment that no one in the TSA has any idea what they're looking at.
		And they'll open it up, and they'll kind of look through it, and they'll close it up.
		I mean, who knows what the hell those cameras are.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, we know, and they've admitted, all this TSA, grabbing women's breasts, grabbing men's genitals, putting us through naked body scanners...
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		watch very closely the way TSA goes through stuff and they basically don't even look at anything.
		This stuff's going on.
		So he said that would be a prime target.
		So they make a bomb looking device, they put it in a bag and it gets through.
		So he was doing this.
		So my assignment for the magazine was, okay, why don't you, what we need you to do is we need you to figure out how to take down an aircraft.
		So I said, OK, so once again, I go online.
		I spend maybe six, seven hours researching it.
		I figure out what kind of explosive to make, how you can make it.
		It's not detectable by any of the carbon-based testing methods that the TSA uses.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Dan Winters, got to break.
		That was a short segment, long segment coming up.
		Let's finish that story when we get back.
		Then we'll get into some of the more interesting things you've seen in your life traveling the world.
		Dan Winters is our guest.
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		I'm Alex Jones.
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		And we're going to get into some other important issues with him while we're scrolling.
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		Charlie Sheen quits Two and a Half Men.
		And I don't normally get into entertainment news, but this is not really stemming from the problems he's had.
		A good friend of mine, 9-11 truther, really smart guy, great guy.
		It's made up or exaggerated.
		And his enemies will, you know, declare victory.
		But a year ago he told me he wanted this to be his last season.
		And just a few months ago he told me, before the thing happened on Christmas Day, that he probably wasn't going to re-up his TV show.
		But here's the New York Post.
		Troubled Charlie Sheen says he's leaving hit CBS TV show Two and a Half Men.
		At the end of the season, Sheen, who returned, to a men's set last month after a stint in rehab, will call it quits after taping his final episode April 9th.
		See, that's not even true.
		I know Charlie.
		He wasn't drinking, wasn't using drugs, drinks way too much coffee, and smokes Marlboro Reds.
		So I spent a lot of time with him.
		But he went to a, basically a spa, so that under the stress he wouldn't go back on alcohol or drugs that he'd been off of for years.
		So that's a lie here from his enemy, the New York Post.
		His spokesman, Stan Rosenthal, did not deny the report.
		Charlie's deal is only through this current season, he told People.
		So there's the inside scoop here, folks.
		Charlie quit because he wants to spend time with his family and is sick of eight-plus seasons and the New York Post and others are spinning this like it's a problem with his wife, Brooke.
		There's a nice person, like that's why he's quitting.
		That may have been the cherry on top, but there's that info.
		Dan, I apologize for digressing off into fluff, but Charlie's my friend.
		I wanted to back him up and set the record straight.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't think it's fluff.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		He's done some good work, I think.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, everybody's human, and people love to see somebody big in trouble, and even when Limbaugh got caught in stuff worse than what Sheen's involved in, I wasn't sharing his downfall, even though I disagree with him passionately, because I just don't...
		I only cheer for real tyrants going down.
		people like Hitler or Stalin or Mao.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		I agree totally.
		And I think the, I think you're absolutely right about it.
		I think we love watching people ascend the ladder, but we like watching the ladder fall over much better.
		And it's, you know, what I think it is, is I think that, you know, the, the, the media and the way the media works and the way publishing works, et cetera, and I'm a part of it.
		So, I mean, I'd be one, I, you know, I should be pointing the finger back at myself, but the idea is to create a lure, to create a lure so that someone feels larger than life.
		And I think You know we talked about why film and why celebrities specifically like actors and film why for some reason it is such a part of our collective consciousness and I think it's for that very reason you know I can go see I can go see the Hurt Locker and you can go see the Hurt Locker completely separately but we have a we have a an experience that provides connectivity and so you and I both now are Connected through seeing that film we can talk about it.
		We can talk about the issues around it, etc So I think that's one reason and you know It stems and I think it's sick wanting to see somebody fall when this happens to our own families and neighbors This is sick.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		This shows a sickness and I see it getting progressively worse that people love to see somebody in trouble but but but I interrupted you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think to get to what you're saying right now, too, I think that, you know, I think that when someone gets really angry at someone who's suffering, rather than look at it from love and detachment and with compassion, I think it says something about the individual, you know, that's throwing the stones.
		You know, he who is without sin, may he cast the first stone.
		I mean, to do a biblical quote, it's absolutely spot on.
		You know, we are all fallible.
		We're all failed.
		we all have our own problems.
		I realized several years ago that, you know, the one thing that we all have in common is that we all have problems, period.
		We all have problems.
		And I think our role in life is to try to work through those problems.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And that's the human condition.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, 100%.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		So yeah, it is.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I only wanna bring down people that are hurting masses of innocence and who are consciously That's why I hate these politicians.
		Bush, of course, and Obama expanding wars, wiretapping, continuing the torture, continuing the arrest, and watching him use all of his hope that people had put into him against them.
		And again, I don't personally hate Obama.
		I know he's a puppet who they plan to destroy.
		It's just that I realize that the institution itself is just So ruthless.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the institution.
		And I think that's a good point.
		I worked with I worked with him.
		You know, he seemed like one of those guys you'd want to go out and have a beer with.
		He seemed like a totally cool guy.
		I believe truthfully that when he was campaigning, he has a lot of ethos that he adheres to that he really believes in.
		But I think when you get in that office and the first day that you're briefed, You know, all bets are off, you know?
		I mean, the first day, it was like, we're closing Guantanamo.
		And I saw a photograph recently that was the most ironic photograph.
		It was a picture of one of the guards or one of the officials at Guantanamo hanging his photo up in the lobby when you come in.
		You know, it's the most ironic image, considering, you know, if you've ever been to a military installation, when you walk in the main building, there's the chain of command.
		So, you know, you'd walk in a building during Bush's administration, and Bush was in the middle, and then on either side, there were photographs of the chain of command that goes down.
		So at Guantanamo, there's the chain of command, and there's Obama the photograph of Obama right in the middle and you know true once again, you know I mean III truly believe like I wouldn't I wouldn't I won't weep when Kissinger drops.
		I won't weep when Rockefeller drops I don't think you know, I don't think honestly anybody will and that's really unfortunate You know that they've lived a life like that, but you know once again, you know, I try to view these things Yeah, their human journey is just a tragic event of power and avarice now.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I interrupted you with a break.
		Let's go back to that Esquire piece that you were talking about.
		Recap it and then tell us about it.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		OK, the assignment to get back to it, Esquire was doing a piece on airport security and the idea of how difficult my assignment was, Dan, research and illustrate how difficult it would be to take down an airliner.
		And initially I thought, well, that's kind of an irresponsible job.
		It's kind of irresponsible to illustrate that.
		But then I thought about it and I thought, well, it's actually more irresponsible not to illustrate how easy it is, because anybody that wants to take down an airliner is going to take down an airliner, period.
		You know, they're going to do it.
		They're going to do the research required and they're going to figure it out.
		So I started looking into it and I spent several hours on the Internet.
		And I, you know, I came up with a formula for an explosive that was non-detectable by the by the screening that's used now, which is all carbon based detection.
		This is a chemical element.
		It's it's got 80 percent of the destructive power or the explosive force of TNT and it can be made at your house.
		It can be carried.
		You know, you get three guys working together, and this is all based on the fact that these guys are going to off themselves, but there doesn't seem to be a shortage of guys that are willing to...
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And you're doing this drill to try to stop this from happening?
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Or to try to illustrate to people, like, hey, look how easy this is, you know, look how easy it would be to do this, you know, and it's almost like a wake-up call.
		It's like, oh my God, you know, like, you know, we think these guys are, you know, the security is such a band-aid, you know.
		It's, you know, right after 9-11, what was it like?
		You couldn't walk two feet away from your bag without getting, like, scolded, right?
		Now it's like, I'll leave my bag at the gate, ask someone to watch it, go to the bathroom, come back.
		It's like, no one's worried.
		There was a National Guard in the airport when it happened.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But we go back to the point that most of it's manufactured.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Have you had time to see the underwear bombing?
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		I totally agree.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's...
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the State Department says they were ordered by a U.S.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		intelligence agency to help him get on the plane.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. Okay.
		So there you go.
		So it's the same thing.
		It's the whole idea of, like, you keep them in fear.
		You know, threat level orange, threat level yellow, threat level red.
		I laugh when I hear that stuff when I'm at the airport because it reminds me of that Gurin quote.
		It's like, you know, keep them in fear.
		Keep them feeling like they're being repressed.
		Let me get back to the F-square thing.
		So I figure out the whole process to do this.
		You know, you get three guys.
		You have two guys carrying the explosive device in their groin.
		Once again, usually, and this might be changing, but usually, even with a pat down, they don't go right to that area, you know, so you can get that in.
		And then you take in a 9-volt battery, some wire, a couple flashlight bulbs.
		I used a timer.
		It was a timer off of a dog feeder, right, that I bought at, you know, Academy or something.
		And so I took all...
		The idea is you take all this stuff in and It's We're good to go!
		and then you could pull the strips off and use it.
		But then you go into the little kiosk, you buy a couple bottles of Coke, and you all go to the men's room.
		One guy goes into the handicap stall.
		He spends about 15 minutes assembling the thing, getting it all ready to go, puts it on his bag, takes it into the plane.
		And then the research further was, well, okay, so he blows it up in the plane, it might compromise.
		No, we're good.
		pit doors.
		You know, they made these Kevlar doors.
		You can't get in.
		But what they didn't do is they didn't reinforce the bulkhead behind the Captain or the co-pilot all they did is do a door so 757 and a couple other aircrafts have a in the first-class cabin they have a Bathroom that immediately backs up against the cockpit So you go in there and you detonate it and it's done and you know, this was you know six hours of research on my part and so the idea is that it's Incredibly simple to do this.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		How long ago did you do that for Esquire?
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		It was like two years ago, and I wish I had brought that image with me because what I did is I did a still life of all of the elements that were required.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		What should we Google?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Dan Winters, Esquire, how to bomb a plane?
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
		Do that.
		It was Esquire or best life.
		I'm thinking after I said Esquire, I was thinking it might be best life.
		Do Dan Winters, best life, bomb.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Dan Winters, best life, bomb.
		Did you guys have any luck?
		Because he wanted to also show people how fake the photo is with the newspaper and the rifle of Lee Harvey Oswald in the front yard where the shadows are all wrong.
		Okay, we'll show that first, but we're running out of time here.
		I mean, I knew it'd be great to have you on the radio because you've got so much knowledge and we're so similar in so many ways in our perspectives.
		I mean, you were telling me stories, and I don't know if some of them are off-record or if you want to tell stories, but what are some interesting stories about movie stars or politicians or Rick Perry or whatever that you can tell?
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Rick Perry, the hair politician.
		The funniest story about Rick Perry.
		I photographed him twice.
		You know, he is the consummate, the consummate smooth guy.
		He comes in, you almost instantly have a nickname.
		He remembers your name.
		It's this whole politician thing.
		You know, I've been other politicians, you know, a good friend of mine, Jack Valenti, who just passed away.
		Yes. Well,
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		you know, he looks more like a demon when he does the smiles or like an evil clown.
		That when he does that laughing, I mean it it upsets me and you know He had me arrested one time for just asking him a question I don't know if you ever googled Alex Jones arrested for asking governor question at a press conference Okay, and I asked him about the world government.
		They just drug me out and arrested me.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Is that right?
		Well, I had a funny I had a funny run-in with Rick Perry at Bicycle sports shop I went in there to get something and he was in there and he was in his bike outfit and he had his assistants with the big file of faxes and a couple of the Capitol Police with him and And so I heard him.
		I was in there and I was kind of listening and I heard him talking to his assistant.
		He said like, OK, I'm going to go for a bike ride from 10 to 12. Then I'm going to meet Bill for lunch.
		Then after that, I'm going to do this and go for a run.
		Then I'm going to go sweat, you know, this.
		And I'm listening to all this.
		And as soon as he finished it, I was standing right next to him and I said, are you planning on doing any governing today?
		Because it sounded like his day was full of recreation, you know.
		But yeah, these guys, you know, most of these guys.
		And I think the point you brought up about Bush's laugh, My experience with politicians is they don't really know.
		What they're supposed to do and so they have this kind of fake smile that they throw on and it's you know I've photographed Phil Graham one time and I and I and I said I said he kept doing this really bizarre smile and I was trying to get a shot that felt natural like we were talking about earlier you were talking about the idea of how to kind of like capture the essence of someone you know and when they're not taking direction and they're they're they're doing what they think a photograph is supposed to be you know I think a lot of people think like oh great photos of a sunset or something you know it's like super passé but once again Again,
		the sunset inspires all of us.
		People look at a photo of the sunset and it takes them to that point, whatever.
		The most common sort of genre of photographs, but Phil Graham said...
		I said, yeah, um, maybe just relax your mouth.
		Maybe just do something serious.
		And he said, boy, I worked on this smile for a long time.
		I'm going to smile.
		So then it was the more painfully forced like smile you could possibly imagine.
		But I don't even know where we're at.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I like to photograph like out in the country, old shot up washing machines and the way the bullets have gone through and the rust.
		Yeah, that's the kind of stuff I like.
		Not that I'm, I mean, I just like photographs.
		You know that are of an old barn or old woman or I love all of your photos.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Great. Thanks, but because it does so I was accurate when I said that you somehow draw out the essence of being I try to and you know, I think to a certain extent it's like a I've called it before I said I've called it a manufactured intimacy and I think the idea behind you know,
		the range of human expression and human emotion is so wide that I think what I try to do is I try to capture sort of like usually, except for the case with your crazy screaming photograph, is that, but that's a part of your personality.
		So that was an accurate representation, I suppose, right?
		But the idea is to try to go to a place that feels pensive, that feels introspective, that feels, you know, quiet oftentimes.
		It doesn't feel like it's, you know, manufactured.
		It doesn't feel like it's ingenuine.
		You know, it's capturing a moment of that individual, but I think it's a reflective moment, and I think people respond to reflect.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Why did you choose this photo as the cover page when you opened the magazine?
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		I didn't, the magazine didn't.
		I would have hoped, what I was hoping is that the screaming photo was by itself with the My dream would have been the screaming photo was by itself and the typography on one side and then you turned to that photo and then the last photo was the one in the set.
		You know, I had hoped for that.
		But I was really happy with it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So first show me in the screaming and then show the calm.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I like that.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, just kind of jump back and forth because once again, and I really like this very flattering photo of you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		You like that one?
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		That's your new head shot.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Exactly. Well, that's what I look like to myself when I'm looking in the mirror, you know, brushing my teeth and then I'm not really photogenic.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm not very narcissistic, but at the same time you're looking at photos of yourself, it's like, that doesn't really look like me.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Of course, absolutely.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But your photos, because I've met some of these famous people in person, the photos you take of people is what they really look like.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		That's a challenge when you're shooting someone famous, by the way, because you've seen them represented in the media so many times.
		It's like, how do you make that quintessential image and still have it be a recognizable image?
		And what I try to do in my photographs, and I think to a large extent I'm successful, is to try to create a timeless, iconic image.
		So that is not to use, like, fancy, tricky lighting stuff.
		To keep it really simple.
		There he is.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Quit looking at me now.
		We don't have much time.
		Run through some of the other photos at the end of that that we haven't seen of other people.
		Go ahead.
		Did we find the Lee Harvey Oswald photo yet?
		We're gonna show that when we come back.
		Sorry, Dan, go ahead.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		All right, no problem.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm in here directing while I'm on TV.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Where are we at?
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Where are we at?
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Here, just continue the direction of the flow of the conversation.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, it's just you were saying, you were talking about how to...
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Oh, to create a genuine moment and still have it be an accurate representation of what that individual looks like.
		Because once again, you know, people that are really widely known in the news and stuff, it's very difficult to create an image that stands out and that's going to connect to you because you've seen so many of them.
		So the idea of trying to create You know try to heighten it to the point where it becomes iconic I guess ultimately and you know Through the history of photography, there are those single images that represent to everyone.
		You know, if I said Lincoln, there are a couple photographs, even though he was photographed, you know, he wasn't actually photographed that many times, like 12 times, I think.
		But there are a couple, you know, there's that one at the end of the war, shortly before he was killed, where you just see how completely decimated he had become from the war.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It looks like a corpse already.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Unbelievable. Yeah, just...
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		There's the Iwo Jima Marines, how exhausted they look at the triumph.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely. There's the sailor kissing the beautiful woman in New York.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Alfred Eisenstadt.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And you can just capture that they're going to be having a great time together that night.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Joe Rosenthal with the flag-raising shot and Alfred Eisenstadt with the Times Square shot.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We've got a break.
		When we come back, your favorite photograph in the world or your top three or four, then we'll look at this fake Lee Harvey Oswald photo with a photographic expert and a lot more.
		He's Dan Winters.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Invisible Empire chronicles how men of power and influence I believe first of all that we now need nothing short of a world constitution for the global financial system.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's the famous setup photo, a photo shot from back in 1963 before they had photo shot of Lee Harvey Oswald as a photographer.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		What is wrong with that photograph?
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, there are a lot of things wrong with it.
		The most obvious thing for me is...
		That's Five o'clock, and so that's inconsistent then with the lighting that's on his face.
		The lighting that's on his face, if you'll notice the shadow, goes straight down from his nose.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Twelve o'clock.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Twelve o'clock, overhead.
		His eyes, both eye sockets are dark, which indicates also an overhead light source.
		So it's clearly a photograph that was staged.
		The interesting thing about that is the entire house was cleaned out the day of the assassination by the Dallas Police Department.
		Completely. single thing every dish every fork every knife every sheet everything and then two days later suddenly someone goes back to the house and supposedly finds the photo in the house and brings it in so it's clearly a fake photo and the thing about it is back then yeah they didn't have Photoshop but what they could do is work at an incredibly large scale so they could have made a 20 by 24 print of the the person standing in for the image made a big giant print of a headshot from Oswald that they had combined them and then rephotograph it and
		the print that That's We've
		the photograph of Aldrin coming down off the limb.
		You know, that entire, it's backlit, and so the limb should be black.
		It shouldn't be illuminated, but it's illuminated.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But instead, there's angles everywhere of all of it.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Yes. So as a top photographer who knows the whole science of it, this is suspicious.
		It's suspicious, and you know, I've looked into that.
		I watched the documentary, A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, which there's a lot more stuff on there that's really inconsistent.
		It was almost part of the same interest I had with the 9-11 stuff, with the Pentagon.
		You know, something seemed weird.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And we have a right to question it.
		Unfortunately, we're down to a minute and a half.
		Let's show the photo of his father here.
		And I describe what I got from it, that it's...
		You know, it's almost like the Sistine Chapel where God's reaching down, but also he's old, he's wise, he's strong, but you said vulnerable.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think there's a lot of vulnerability in that image, you know, especially in his eyes.
		You know, it looks like, to me, you know, that was a perfect photograph.
		That's my favorite that I've ever done.
		There are some of my son, actually, that would compete with that one for favorite photo.
		But, you know, he and I took a walk.
		I usually always have a camera with me.
		We took a walk out in his house in the high desert in California, and the light was absolutely stunning.
		It was a little breeze.
		It was one of those things where it's like, hey, can I do a portrait of you real quick, Dad?
		Yeah, you know, shot 10 frames, done.
		Finished the walk, processed the film.
		Stunning, you know.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You caught that magic moment.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		Perfect. I mean, the hair blowing.
dan winters ▲ ● ▼		For me, it was really the magic moment.
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		Danwinners, thank you.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Now into the second hour.
		We're going to simulcast the second, third, and fourth hour live at PrisonPlanet.tv for PrisonPlanet.tv members.
		I want to say hi to all the great radio listeners out there.
		Well, for the full hour, Lies the Government Told You, Myth, Power, and Deception in American History.
		Best-selling author, Judge Andrew P. Napolitano.
		Forward by Ron Paul.
		It's hardcover, a thick book, but a great quick read on a host of key issues.
		He really tells it like it is.
		He is the most hardcore constitutionalist who never waivers, who is on mainstream television in the United States.
		He's the best, better than Lou Dobbs, better than anybody out there.
		And we like Lou Dobbs here.
		We wish he was back on television.
		And so we're honored to have him with us to talk about the government takeover of healthcare, this other draconian legislation introduced by McCain to arrest U.S. citizens.
		We're gonna go over that.
		We're gonna get into stories out of New Jersey, his home state.
		Cops in New Jersey town giving keys to homes as part of your safety.
		We have all these Brinks commercials running where it shows a thug busting into a woman's house and she calls 911.
		How about she shoots him?
		So we'll talk about the fight between freedom and liberty.
		And the collectivist and the tyrants that are trying to take over our society.
		And Rush Limbaugh is talking about Obama might try to suspend elections.
		I mean, they're going to lose.
		So the only way they could try to get away with this is to suspend elections.
		They're trying to demonize the Tea Parties, the Patriots.
		No doubt they're staging many of these break through the window events.
		Democrats have been caught doing this before.
		There is a lot of anger out there.
		Violence is not the answer.
		Judge, Napolitano, great to have you here with us.
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		Alex, it's a pleasure.
		What a fabulous intro, man.
		I'm riveted listening to you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're riveted having you here.
		Okay, I could bring up a lot of subjects, but what's important to you right now?
		What's number one on your front burner?
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		The loss of freedom at the hands of the government, which happens with every tick of the clock.
		I kiddingly say in the beginning of that book, which you were very kind to mention, Alex, that when I told friends I was writing a book about the government and lies, and that it was 4,000 pages long, everybody laughed and said, were you able to get all the lies in the 4,000 pages?
		Of course, the publisher made me stop at 300 pages, but it shows you the The perception that the public has is that the government does lie to us, has been lying to us, and we accept these lies and are willing to laugh about it,
		even though every one of those lies I talk about in the book, and even many that you just mentioned in the introduction, destroys our liberty, destroys our freedom, by inducing us to make political decisions on erroneous information that the government claims is true.
		And when we give up this liberty and lose this property, we don't get it back!
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely. When we come back, I want to get into the health care bill.
		I want to talk about what's next for these guys, the blanket amnesty, the national worker ID for citizens that illegals are exempt from.
		I've read the bill.
		It's the same thing in this bill, the health care bill.
		It talks about how we have to have an electronic medical ID card, but it says illegals are again exempt from that.
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		No surprise that they would do something like that in order, A, to control us, B, to know where we are and what we're doing, and C, to create a permanent underclass fully dependent upon them.
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		The next thing you know is that they'll allow those folks to vote, and you know which way they'll vote in favor of the party or the group or the candidate that gives them as big a piece of the pie to which we contribute at the point of a gun.
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		We're about to go to break.
		Long segment coming up.
		And we will go through the health care bill.
		We will talk about the Republican Party.
		I mean, is there any avenue there to try to repeal all this?
		We'll talk about the constitutionality with our constitutional law expert, Judge Napolitano.
		I'm Alex Jones.
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		And don't forget, we also have Jesse Ventura's new book at InfoWars.com.
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		We'll be right back.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They helped to create a New World Order.
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unidentified		A New World Order based upon collective action.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Invisible Empire is a damning indictment of the globalists through their own words and documents.
unidentified		The New World Order really is a tool for addressing a new world of possibilities.
		It means all the world under their control.
		The United Nations would take over America.
		The Trilateral Commission would control the world.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Invisible Empire chronicles how men of power and influence have worked I believe, first of all, that we now need nothing short of a world constitution for the global financial system.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We're back for the rest of the hour.
		Judge Andrew Napolitano is our guest.
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		Judge, I get up here every day and rant and rave and actually cover the laws, the subsections, the bills.
		I give people chapter and version, still some.
		Call in and say, are you really telling the truth?
		Here's page 65 of the signed bill, and it's in section BI, eligibility for health plan, and this is the actual section of the bill, and it says, may allow for the use of a machine-readable identification card,
		and they have another bill where they make citizens have a national ID card to have a job, but the illegals aren't exempt, and you have a What, 8% approval rating for Reid, 10% for Pelosi, 11% for Congress.
		They know that 80% of the public is against this health care takeover.
		We know the insurance companies wrote it.
		It's actually a scam.
		The establishment knows what they're doing is unconstitutional and lawless, but they're going ahead with it.
		And that's why Rush Limbaugh, and I agree with him, I'm glad he's really coming out now and telling it like it is, said that They may suspend elections because he says there's no way they can win and that it appears they're putting in a police state control grid.
		But as you know, this was all set up in the last 20, 30 years in this nation.
		It's bipartisan.
		Judge Napolitano, what is the state of our union?
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		Well, the state of our union is that it is a bipartisan movement toward a police state.
		And we don't have two parties in this country, Alex, even though most people think we do.
		Your listeners know that we have one party, the big government party.
		There's a Republican wing that likes war and deficits and assaults our civil liberties.
		There's a Democratic wing that likes welfare and taxes and assaults our commercial liberties.
		But they basically will feed each other because they're not interested in freedom.
		They don't believe in fidelity to the country.
		I mean, on my radio show last month, I asked the number three-ranking Democrat in the House of Representatives, Congressman Jim Clyburn, Congressman, where in the Constitution is the government authorized to regulate healthcare?
		And he said to me, Judge, most of what we do down here, referring to Washington, is not authorized by the Constitution.
		Where in the Constitution is it prohibited that we regulate healthcare?
		The very fact that he would ask that question shows a tremendous 180-degree misunderstanding of the federal government.
		The Congress is not a general legislature.
		It doesn't exist in order to right every wrong.
		It exists only to exercise power in 17 unique, discrete, specific, well-defined, set-out areas in a piece of paper called the Constitution, to which he took an oath to uphold.
		At least he was candid enough to acknowledge they're not upholding it.
		But what is to become of us?
		Alex, if the government decides the extent of its own powers, if the government freely admits it violates its oath to uphold the Constitution, and if, whenever financial or civil liberties are involved, both sides of the government, Republican and Democrat, agree, the president signs a new Patriot Act and he signs it in the undercover of darkness because he's afraid those to whom he promised he wouldn't do so might see a picture of him.
		of him doing it.
		The president, when he was a senator, blasted George W. Bush for conducting an illegal war.
		He's killed as many people as Bush ever did and has sent Well, there is very little change, Judge. Once they start violating the Bill of Rights and Constitution, the sky's the limit, as you know, as a constitutional law scholar and as a judge.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But the general public is just now beginning to discover this.
		What about last week when they were still trying to just deem and pass this whole thing without even having the House vote on it?
		I mean, at least we forced them to back off of that, but that gives us a window into their lawless mindset.
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		Exactly. It shows us that they would cause to become law not only that which they haven't read, And we know they haven't read it because they made promises that their scriveners found out last night aren't in there, but that they haven't even voted on it.
		At least we shamed them into voting on it.
		At least we know that Bart Stupak is no more pro-life than Barack Obama.
		At least we know where people truly stand on all of this, because the uproar from people all across the political spectrum forced them to vote.
		How odd and quaint, Alex, that our representatives should actually vote on something.
		Okay. Um, extension of the Patriot Act was enacted in the Senate.
		It was done by a voice vote so that no senator was recorded as to how he or she voted on it.
		And when they changed the definition of the word financial institution to mean a doctor's office, a lawyer's office, the post office, a computer server, anything under the sun which would let them serve a self-written search warrant on it, that vote was taken by voice vote so there's no record of how anybody voted on it.
		At least this time we have a record.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And on top of that, we have bills in the last decade introduced to make them read the Bills Act, and they fight that tooth and nail.
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		That Ron Paul introduces every year two simple four-line bills.
		Every member of Congress shall certify under oath that he or she has read a bill before voting for or against it.
		And every bill, this is the second one, that is introduced must cite in the Constitution the authority for the bill.
		Neither of those proposals, as simple, basic, and rational as could be, a junior in high school social studies could understand them.
		Neither of those has seen the light of day.
		Neither of them ever makes it to a committee for hearing.
		But there may be some hope, because you could have said the same thing about his proposal to audit the Fed ten years ago.
		Now it has passed the House of Representatives.
		What will happen in the Senate?
		I don't know.
		But his persistence has caused the American public to be aware of these things and caused the public to pressure power-hungry members of Congress occasionally to do the right thing.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Judge Andrew Napolitano, as a constitutional expert, as a former judge, reading over the bill and over the subsections, there's so many things that are unconstitutional.
		And then there's also deception.
		Even the AP admits this doesn't protect people with already existing conditions with children.
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		That is the one that Mrs. Pelosi and company are stumbling over this morning, Alex.
		Because they promised Democrats, and the Democrats promised their constituents, that children with pre-existing conditions Would be covered immediately.
		Now, put aside the fact that the federal government has no authority whatsoever.
		Take it to the bank.
		No authority whatsoever to regulate health care and to tell insurance carriers who they may insure.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But even if you're for socialism, this is another ripoff, just like communism under the Soviets was a ripoff, or socialism in England's a ripoff.
		Anytime they get a big pool of money, they're going to steal most of it.
		They're not going to give it.
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		Of course, because sooner or later you run out of other people's money.
		But in this particular case, they lied to their own people.
		The socialist monstrosity that they passed didn't even have in it the clauses that they used to sell it on the American people.
		One of which is this, your children will be taken care of from the minute the president signs it.
		Baloney. They didn't even read what they wrote.
		They didn't even write what they wrote.
		They just took passages and put it together.
		By the way, did you hear who praised the president's signing of this legislation just about 15 minutes before I was happy to come on your air?
		Fidel Castro praised Obamacare.
		That's an endorsement, if ever there was one.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, the state is God under the new world order system.
		Let's get into the unconstitutionality of this and how you would attack it.
		I don't think Attorney General suing or joining their suit is enough.
		We need to have states nullify under the 9th and 10th Amendment And to not just roll this back, but you're not going to take our highway funds, you're not going to take our education funds.
		I mean, I think this is a wake-up call for people to really start reversing the fact that for a hundred plus years, the federal government has been expanding its authority into areas that are completely illegal.
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it's one thing, Alex, for a state legislature and a governor to sign a piece of paper saying we stand on our Tenth Amendment and we are a sovereign state.
		It would be quite another for a state legislature to enact legislation that did the following.
		Prohibit state employees from enforcing federal law.
		Indict federal officials who come into the state with the intention of enforcing federal law that conflicts with state law.
		Impose a real estate tax on federal property within the state.
		Now, I know that that has been unlawful for the past 200 years, but suffice it to say, we have a different Supreme Court now that might look at this differently.
		dragged before county and state grand juries federal officers who insist on enforcing federal law that is unconstitutional within the states.
		The states really have to stand up for their sovereignty.
		They have to do more than say we are a sovereign state.
		There has to be teeth to their proclamation of sovereignty.
		Now, I would like to see The popular election of senators done away with.
		I would like to see state legislatures send members of the Senate to the Senate because then they wouldn't be stealing power from the states or those senators would soon be out of their jobs.
		The federal government didn't begin to grow to gargantuan proportions until the progressive era with the popular election of senators who were able to pander to the collectivist impulses of the masses and deliver as big a piece of pie as they could.
		and create the permanent underclass that relied on them for support and returned it with votes.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Very well said.
		Let's come back and talk about constitutional ways to apply what you just discussed because if we do get the grand juries to start investigations and call for indictments, if we do get the states to pass laws saying our employees We'll not comply with this.
		That's all completely constitutional and other ideas, other solutions, because there's a lot of people listening right now.
		Folks are paying attention to these issues right now.
		Folks are angry.
		Now is the time to take what Judge Napolitano is saying, and I totally agree with him, and to put it into force.
		Now is the time.
		The Democrats have said they think you're going to forget about this and they can slowly implement it, and that's how they're going to domesticate us.
		We say no.
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		They helped to create a new world order.
		We are part of a new world order.
		A new world order based upon collective action.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Invisible Empire is a damning indictment of the globalists through their own words and documents.
unidentified		The new world order really is a tool for addressing a new world of possibilities.
		It means all the world under their control.
		The United Nations would take over America.
		The Trilateral Commission would control the world.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Invisible Empire chronicles how men of power and influence have I believe, first of all, that we now need nothing short of a world constitution for the global financial system.
unidentified		Global governance with the establishment of the G20.
		So it's going to be an inner ruling elite and then everyone else.
		And I got news for you.
		You're everyone else.
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		The End Hello, this is Alex Jones with some important questions.
		If you're going into a battle and they give you a rifle and a sidearm, how much ammunition do you want?
		My answer would be all I can get.
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		Food is your ammunition to fight for your freedom and your life.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		My friends, if you've studied history at other empires, nations, republics, corruption grows slowly, like an infection, and then it blooms, and the nation falls.
		And the elites that have become wealthy and powerful will use a police state to try to maintain control of the population that they've robbed.
		And we've seen a premeditated development of this police state in their internal documents, to suppress the American people.
		It's the same thing worldwide.
		And now you have these elites going offshore, forming a global government, openly saying a bank of the world that you will pay all your carbon taxes to.
		We're going to talk about that in the next segment with Judge Andrew Napolitano, author, best-selling author of multiple books.
		His new book is out.
		We'll tell you about the book and get into it before he leaves us.
		But getting back into solutions on this Obamacare, Judge.
		Right. Am I right in saying that This is pretty much the make it or break it issue.
		If we give into this, and if we can't defeat this, then the sky's the limit for these tyrants.
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		And Vice President Biden admitted as much yesterday when he said if we hadn't have passed this, we would have been toothless.
		And now that we've passed this, we have a lot else that we need to do.
		First of all, We know that the next eight months is going to be a rush to legislation because they know, they're not stupid, they know that they will never have the majorities in the Congress after November, if there is a November election, that they have now.
		So they're going to try and regulate as much as they can in the next eight months.
		But think about how insidious this is.
		The Supreme Court has ruled countless times that the most private conversation you have, the one most utterly immune from governmental intrusion, is with your physician.
		More so than with your spouse, it's with your physician.
		This legislation purports, with the stroke of a pen, to do away with generations of that protection by putting a federal bureaucrat between you and your physician and permitting the bureaucrat to dictate to the And it says they can share it with any federal agency they want.
		Everything under the sun that the government does, except the Supreme Court, because that's the last appeal, is appealable.
		But this legislation says it's not appealable.
		So they violate your right to privacy.
		They violate your right to talk to your physician without the government there.
		They violate your right to the privacy of your medical records.
		They decide how much money is available to pay your physician for the services that you may need.
		Is this the government that the framers gave us?
		Or is this, as you say, Alex, so nicely, the breaking point?
		Is this the point beyond which they cannot go?
		Now that leads us to the constitutional challenges.
		To me, the violation of privacy And the order that all Americans shall purchase something, whether they want it, need it, can afford it, already have it or not, purchase something that the government approves of, are the two most obvious unconstitutional aspects of this.
		There are many others.
		It's against the Constitution for the Congress to tell a state legislature how it must legislate and how it must spend.
		That's called commandeering the legislature.
		That's been prohibited for many years, but the Congress does it and gets away with it anyway.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, hold on, hold on.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That's another key point you just rattled off is that, and we've heard the state legislatures and governors and attorney generals talk about this, and it's in the bill that it in some cases doubles the amount of money that states must levy to give to Medicare and Medicaid.
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it does.
		Yes, it does.
		Now, normally, when the Congress wants to control a state legislature, it bribes it.
		So, for example, did you ever wonder why speed limits are the same all around the country?
		Did you ever wonder why the blood alcohol content in a person's veins sufficient to charge them for drunk driving is the same in every state?
		Did all 50 states just magically adopt the same standards?
		No! The Congress adopted the standards, was told by its lawyers these standards wouldn't fly because the Constitution doesn't authorize the Congress to do this, so the Congress Congress went to the states and said, here's hundreds of millions of dollars to repave your highways.
		But if you accept this money, you have to legislate about speed limits and blood alcohol content as we want.
		That's a bribe.
		If you or I, Alex, or anybody listening to us now, went to a state legislature and said, here's cash, now write the law the way I want it, we would be arrested, and rightly so, for attempted bribery.
		In this case, with this healthcare legislation, There is no bribe.
		There is an outright command from the Congress to the state legislatures, you shall license more physicians.
		You shall spend more money.
		When the Congress does that, that's called commandeering a state legislature.
		And the Supreme Court in the past 15 years has twice prohibited the Congress from doing that.
		So that's another unconstitutional aspect of this.
		It invades an area of state sovereignty, the regulation of the medical profession, reserved to the state.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So we're right back to the Declaration of Independence where they talk about Unelected governors coming in and overriding the legislatures, commanding them, taxation without representation.
		The Democrats know this is all illegal.
		And I guess that's why Limbaugh and others are openly saying they may try martial law.
		Now they want to take over the Internet with cybersecurity.
		We'll talk about it all straight ahead.
		Stay with us.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Hello, this is Alex Jones with some important questions.
		If you're going into a battle and they give you a rifle and a sidearm, how much ammunition do you want?
		My answer would be all I can get.
		In the battle for freedom and the lives of your loved ones, food is your only ammunition.
		How much do you want?
		When do you want it?
		Now or after the battle starts?
		When will you need it?
		Can you buy it without proper identification?
		Will there be any food?
		Will it make your children sick?
		If there's a quarantine and you can't feed yourself, will you go to the gathering center and be immunized?
		You wipe out all these problems if you have a good food supply.
		Food is your ammunition to fight for your freedom and your life.
		How much will you need?
		We don't know.
		How much do you want?
		All you can get.
		I'm Alex Jones.
		I want all of you good guys to live to fight another day.
		Call 1-800-409-5633 or check it out on the web at eFoodsDirect.com.
		Again, that number, 1-800-409-5633.
		What have we got?
unidentified		A republic or a monarchy?
unidentified		A republic.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's based on a constitution which protects minority rights.
		Not democracy, not mob rule.
		Two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
		So they think they own our land?
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		They think they own our water?
bill murphy ▲ ● ▼		Children? Our education?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Our money?
cynthia davis ▲ ● ▼		We have to define who we are and what we will tolerate.
unidentified		Somebody's gonna ask you what you did during the Patriot Act.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You'll have to eat more.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		16,500 plus IRS agents.
		They decide what type of medical care you're allowed to have under insurance.
		They then tax your medical savings accounts.
		It lowers the quality of the standards.
		Judge Andrew Napolitano is our guest.
		Judge, you're right when you make the point.
		This is the mad rush.
		And now that they've already done something this unpopular and committed political suicide, Kerry's saying, hey, we've got to go ahead and pass the carbon tax.
		We've got to go ahead and pass blanket total amnesty.
		We've got to go ahead and pass cybersecurity, which even the Associated Press says allows Obama to completely shut the web off if he so chooses.
		They want to pass the new enemy belligerence act that says for any intelligence, Thank you.
		And interrogated and held.
		I mean, they and Lindsey Graham is arguing for similar legislation.
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		Do you know how hideous that piece of legislation it is?
		It actually says the only way you can get out of military confinement and even appear before a judge, Alex, is if the House and Senate intelligence committees vote to let you out.
		What a perversion of our system of justice that instead of having judges say to the government, thou shalt not violate the right of any person because the Constitution protects persons, not just good persons and not just Americans, but all persons.
		They would have themselves politicians assume the judicial role and decide who can get away from the waterboarding and into.
		This is an orgy!
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		This is an orgy of power grabbing by the executive and the legislative.
		And again, I hear all these neocons on radio and TV saying, oh, we don't want to let Al Qaeda go.
		But the point is, we know that all of this is written and we have the Homeland Security internal documents.
		This whole thing is designed and pointed at returning veterans, gun owners, conservatives, libertarians.
		This is for the American people.
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		You know, when Janet, the head of the Department of Homeland Security, Janet, what's her name, announced that the most dangerous people on the planet were the groups you just indicated.
		Right to lifers, people who believe in the Second Amendment, returning veterans from the wars, people who think taxes are too high and the government is too onerous.
		I got in an argument on air with one of my Fox colleagues who said to me, well, she knows that you are in favor of Second Amendment rights, and she knows you're pro-life, and she knows you're against the IRS.
		But how does she know that everybody else feels that way?
		I said, because she can capture, her agents can capture every keystroke on your computer.
		How can she do that, he says?
		Because she has the power under the Patriot Act, which you, I won't tell you which Fox colleague this was, but you can probably guess, which you supported when your guy, George W. Bush, was in the White House.
		Now it's in the hands of those who would use this power against you.
		What, are you crazy?
		Don't you realize This is not America.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let's talk about the heart and soul of the Republican Party.
		The leadership predominantly are, as you said, just the other wing of the big government party.
		They're the twins.
		Right. And everywhere...
		I'll say this.
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		If George W. Bush had proposed Obamacare, the Republicans that are screaming the loudest now would be supporting it.
		That's what I think of their fidelity to the Constitution, to the primacy of the individual, and to the free market.
		To them, it's just a game of R versus D. It has nothing to do with the natural law or human liberty.
		I'm sorry for interrupting you.
		I wanted to get that in because it infuriates me when Republicans claim to be pure here.
		They're no more pure than the other side.
		They just happen to be in the minority, so it's convenient and comfortable for them to oppose this monstrosity.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, I agree with you.
		Let me then pose the question this way for you.
		We've seen top Republican strategists come out against Rand Paul and say they've got to defeat them.
		They're now allowing the head election official who's running against Rand Paul in the Republican Party to not recuse himself but run the election that he himself Is
		is attempting to demonize and shut down debate and stop the American people from using the Republican Party to take our country back.
		What are your thoughts?
		I think the American people should vote out of office and aggressively hound out of office, Lawfully, obviously.
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		Not only everyone who voted for Obamacare, but everyone who voted for TARP, proposed by George W. Bush.
		Everyone who voted for the first two stimuluses that we've had in the past four years, which came from George W. Bush.
		Everyone who voted for the Patriot Act, which came from George W. Bush.
		Everyone who voted for any tax increase.
		Now, that would be about 93 to 94 percent of the Congress.
		These people's voting records must be revealed.
		The collusion of Rand Paul being forced to run against the guy who was in charge of counting the ballots.
		Even Joe Stalin.
		Wouldn't have been so bold as to do that.
		He would have put a crony in to count the ballots.
		But in Kentucky, the Republicans are forcing Rand Paul to run against the guy who will decide who wins the election.
		The American public cannot put up with that.
		They need to file lawsuits.
		They need to listen to you.
		They need to listen to what I attempt to do at Fox.
		They need to educate themselves.
		They need to know what their rights are.
		And they cannot take this sitting down.
		Alex, you know I have been privileged to be the keynote speaker Let's expand into Rand Paul,
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Ron Paul's son.
		I mean, in many polls, he's 10 points ahead.
		Right. He's a shoe-in to win.
		And this illustrates, and the Republican leadership admits this, this isn't just an anti-Democrat incumbency.
		This is an anti-incumbent period.
		And the guy he's running against is getting all this AIG banker money.
		He's a globalist.
		And then, meanwhile, he's going to run the election.
		And I talked to I mean, again,
		it just shows how Every form of common sense and checks and balances are being removed, and when you have a real constitutionalist running for an office, in come the Republican Party to try to destroy them.
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		They fear someone like Rand Paul just as much as they fear his father, Ron Paul, because of their Utter fidelity to the Constitution and to the natural law and to the belief that the individual is greater than the government.
		Even in my home state of New Jersey, notorious for corruptions and political prosecutions, it is against the law for the collector of the ballots to be on the ballot when he's collecting them.
		It's almost inconceivable that this could be happening in Kentucky right underneath our noses and the courts won't interfere.
		Yeah. The government's behavior appears to be in a conflict, then the person that is creating the appearance of a conflict should step back.
		This guy can run against Rand Paul, or this guy can count the votes in the election that Rand Paul is running in, but nobody in their right mind would say that he could do both at the same time and be absolutely honest.
		That's too much of a temptation for a human being to have to endure and for the electorate to have to abide by.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, you've got all the election officials under him that are being promised jobs in the U.S. Senate.
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely. They're all political appointees, Alex.
		So he can take them to, well, he's not going to go to the Senate, but he can promise to take them to the Senate with him.
		So will they look the other way when a group of absentee ballots suddenly disappears into the river or suddenly shows up in somebody's trunk?
		This will force Dr. Paul Rand Paul to hire more poll watchers, to hire more people, to watch the government because the government cannot be trusted to run an honest election because the guy running the election is running against Rand Paul.
		This is just absurd.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, if this precedent gets set, this new corrupt precedent, pretty soon the only people that can get elected anywhere will be the head of election.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Suddenly, that'll be the only person that can run and win and Then they'll become kings and their kids will be the only ones that can win.
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		Sort of like Alexander Hamilton when he wanted George Washington to be a king.
		You know what I think will happen?
		Rand Paul wins by such a large number that all of their sneaking and trickery will not be enough to affect the outcome.
		And this collector of ballots who also wants to be on the Senate will be relegated to the dustbin of history where he belongs.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're already running out of time.
		It's always amazing having, and we got 15 minutes left here.
		I want to get into the book, Lies the Government Told You.
		But first, specifically, the Democrats and Lindsey Graham, the Republicans, they all know that carbon dioxide isn't bad.
		They all know that China isn't going to make the cuts.
		They all know that this will industrialize Uh, the industrial suicide, and we have all these big environmentalists saying they want to destroy our economy.
		Why does government want to destroy the economy?
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		Government wants to control us because of what St. Augustine called libido dominandi.
		Look, we all know about certain types of libido.
		This is a lust for power.
		Before the Civil War, we sent people to our state houses and to Congress who were interested in liberty, who were concerned with confining the government, with assuring that it did not interfere with our natural rights, with our civil liberties, and with our property rights.
		since the Civil War, we have sent people to the government, by and large, there are exceptions both before the Civil War and afterwards, but by and large, people who are not interested in liberty, but people who are interested in power, power for its own sake, power in and of itself, power to control other people.
		Government attracts those who lust for power.
		Ron Paul and Rand Paul, and Ron Paul's colleagues in the House, and if there are any in the Senate, I'm unaware of them, are the exception to the rule.
		But for the most part, this is the type of human being that the government attracts.
		And this type of illicit Aggregation of power gets worse and worse and worse because when they get power, they hand it off to their successors.
		Just like Mike Chertoff handed it off to Janet Napolitano.
		And I know what you're thinking.
		The answer is no.
		We are not related.
		This happens generation after generation after generation.
		That's why I am not optimistic about our future because it will take a generation of Doctors Paul to change this, to stop it, to reverse it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what G. Edward Griffin and others have said, though.
		We have to have the long view of history.
		We're not going to beat these people overnight.
		We've got to do everything we can and start resisting now just to slow it down and then stop it and then start reversing it.
		But the good news is This has really opened people's eyes up.
		The carbon taxes, the open borders, the takeover of the health care bill, the fact that it is just pure robbery, not even benevolent socialism, which is an oxymoron.
		Do you agree, though, that the battle lines are now drawn and that the awakening is exploding?
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		I do, and I believe that the great mass of independent voters are on the side of liberty in this.
		I believe that the average man and woman who had Okay, with enthusiasm.
		And a couple people said to me, I didn't know that.
		I thought it was in the Constitution.
		I thought we had to have income taxes.
		We have the power, if we work hard enough and educate ourselves to throw the yoke of tyranny off of us.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Judge? Judge, I'm going to give you the floor for the last 12 minutes and we're going to skip this network break coming up.
		I'm going to sit back and I want you to give us a speech, a rant, cover the book, any issues you want to cover, and I'll say bye to you because I always get so intrigued and I want to back up what you're saying.
		I'm always adding things.
		I want at the end of the interview, Shut up.
		But before we do that, I want to encourage viewers to support this radio show and to support our films.
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		That okay, it's a world government, it's going to be run by banks.
		And what is the nature of this world government from your research and then tie that in to the overarching system of why they want a global government so no one can run and flee and set up societies that are free because then that competes with the collectivist and outshines them in every case.
		So speak to that and then you've got the floor in the last 11 minutes on any issue you want to cover.
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you are so kind and so generous to me, Alex, and I'm deeply grateful to be here.
		Look, I'm just a simple native.
		Watchmen. Obviously, the people who came up with this concept are no longer with us, but their successors are.
		They are wealthier, they are more sophisticated, and they are just as committed as their predecessors were.
		They simply want control.
		They want power for the joy of exercising power in and of itself.
		Power corrupts.
		Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
		They don't want to have to answer to voters.
		They don't want to have to answer to a constitution that limits their behavior.
		They want to be able to take whatever property they can, whether they call it eminent domain, whatever they want to call the process by which they take it.
		They want to protect us, cradle to grave, so that we are totally dependent upon them for everything, so they can decide who will be in their group and who won't.
		If you read George Orwell's 1984, he was just off by a couple of years, but almost everything that was in there was predicted, and we see it now.
		The use of law to assault liberty and to steal property.
		Do you remember, Alex, studying basic American history?
		The King of England had ingenious ways to tax us.
		The last straw was the Stamp Act.
		It required that every colonist have on every piece of paper in his or her home a stamp.
		Every book, every bank draft, every mortgage, every lease, every deed, every pamphlet, even a poster that was going to be nailed to a tree had to have the King's stamp on it.
		Imagine having to go, we have enough difficulties with the post office as it is, you had to go to a foreign post office in the colonies and buy the King's stamp.
		Question, how did the government know?
		If you had the King's stamp on every piece of paper in your house.
		Answer, the Parliament enacted the Townsend Acts, which permitted British soldiers to write their own search warrants.
		And thus, they would show up at your home and hand you a piece of paper on which they had purported to authorize themselves to enter your home, ostensibly to look for the stamps.
		Of course, they would confiscate alcohol, they would confiscate furniture, which you couldn't demonstrate you had paid taxes on.
		They would even sometimes kick you out of the house and take it over for daily use.
		Yes. Fast forward
		200 years to the Patriot Act.
		What does the Patriot Act do?
		It allows federal agents to write their own search warrants.
		We have elected a government that has done the very same thing to us, which was the last straw When we broke away from an island 3,000 miles away that was regulating us as if we were chattel and as if we were slaves to them.
		When Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence the words that every schoolchild knows, Alex, by heart, all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights and that among these is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
		He wedded the American soul to the idea of the natural law, that our rights come from nature, from our humanity, that we are created in the image and likeness of God, and as he is perfectly free, he has given us the gift of perfect freedom.
		In Philadelphia, in 1787, when they argued all summer about how the government should look and what the Constitution should be, they began with an argument about what is the source of our rights.
		And Alexander Hamilton, the big government guy of the day, the guy who said debt was good, even in 1787, argued that without the government there can be no rights, and the same government that gives rights can take them away.
		Madison refuted him toe-to-toe, point-to-point, and said our rights come from our humanity.
		Madison won.
		Read the First Amendment.
		It doesn't say Congress shall grant freedom of speech.
		It says Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom.
		Freedom of speech.
		Why do I emphasize the word the?
		Because the framers recognized that freedom of speech pre-existed the government, pre-existed the country, came by virtue of our birth.
		And the purpose of the First Amendment was to assure that Congress, and ultimately the President, and eventually the courts, and one day the states, could not interfere with the basic freedoms.
		The right to think as you wish.
		The right to say what you think, the right to publish what you say, the right to worship or not to worship, the right to come and go as you see fit, the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances, the right to defend yourself, Alex, by any technologically advanced means that are available at any given time, which includes the right to shoot at the government when it is taken over by tyrants.
		And then, of course, the right to be left alone in the Fourth Amendment.
		All of these rights are natural to us.
		And every person in the government takes an oath to uphold the Constitution, meaning upholding the inviolability of these rights.
		But in my years on the bench, and I write about this in the book, every time the government was in front of me, Alex, it wasn't to enforce the Constitution.
		It wasn't to protect someone's rights.
		It was to find some sneaky or ingenious way to get around the Constitution, but claim that they were enforcing it.
		Now, my new book, and I'm very happy to tell you that as of a few minutes ago, it's number 13 on the New York Times bestseller list.
		That doesn't mean the Times approves of the book, hardly.
		It means that the most public counter of book sales is ranking me number 13, which is very good because then it gets published in that list and a lot of folks that don't watch Fox or listen to Alex Jones or don't know me will be exposed to the book.
		The book posits the following.
		Why do we?
		Expect that the government will lie.
		Why do we know that the government lies and do nothing about it?
		Would Lyndon Johnson have beaten Barry Goldwater in 64 if we knew that he was secretly planning to invade North Vietnam as he accused Goldwater of doing?
		Would FDR have been elected in 44?
		Re-elected in 44 if the public had known that he caused Pearl Harbor because he needed an excuse to enter World War II?
		Would George W. Bush have been re-elected in 2004 if people People knew that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that he knew it and ought to have known it, that he was torturing people and lying about it, that he was listening to people's phone calls and capturing their computer strokes, all in violation of federal law?
		That's what the book challenges Americans, Alex, to be aware of, to recognize, to reject, and to correct.
	My dear friend, I've enjoyed all my time with you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And in closing, why do we put up with the lying?
		Why have we gotten to a point where it's just accepted they lie but then that 20% that supports the government health bill still believe they're getting something free and the system is going for broke because they passed the point of no return.
		They have committed so many crimes.
		They're so lawless.
		They've stolen so much.
		They know the country's going bankrupt.
		Bloomberg reports the Feds are openly getting ready to take pension funds to fund their operations and to fund the banks.
		They have decided to go all the way, just like Hitler or Stalin or Mao, and it's time for the public to wake up.
		I mean, you mentioned the Stamp Act.
		Here is New Jersey CBS television, CBS TV, WCBS.
		Cops in New Jersey Town giving keys to homes and the cops are saying we're putting keys on all your doors and that we are now going to go into your house To make sure you're safe, and now they have zoning laws in Illinois and other places where people wake up and they do inspections without asking to see how many toothbrushes you have to make sure that you don't have more people in your house than you're zoned for.
		It is incredible.
		Judge Andrew Napolitano, I want to really thank you for joining us and spending time with us.
		Fire out your website.
judge andrew napolitano ▲ ● ▼		Judge Knapp at FoxNews.com.
		Alex, it's been a pleasure.
		Thanks for letting me share these airwaves with your wonderful listeners.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We appreciate you never compromising and being a true constitutionalist.
		God bless and Godspeed.
		We'll be right back.
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