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Waging war on corruption Alex Jones on the GCM radio network He twisted his arm to stay even longer than an hour.
alex jones
We can't do that today because this is the last hour of the radio broadcast.
We're always honored to have him.
He just flew back in from Mexico last night into New York.
He's kicking off his tour today, and we're honored to have him on with us for the next hour.
I don't know what it was about that last interview, but I heard from Jesse's folks it was his favorite interview here on the show.
Listeners said it was their favorite.
The most views online.
That really great interview we did just about a month ago.
And now Governor Jesse Ventura is back with us today.
The good news is...
In fact, here it is.
Here's the book.
Down here on the floor.
Jesse Ventura, American Conspiracies has been as high as number four on the New York Times bestseller list.
It's been holding up at seven in the top ten.
And that shows the people are hungry for the truth.
So I just want to say congratulations to Governor Jesse Ventura on another bestselling book.
jesse ventura
Well, thank you, Alex, and thanks for all the help, because you've certainly helped your show and listeners on that.
But what's interesting, Alex, is that Well, I think that's an endorsement.
alex jones
Just like the Huffington Post censored your article about 9-11, even though they asked you to write it, now you're seeing censorship in the book world.
That's unheard of.
four weeks New York Times top ten, and no book reviews.
jesse ventura
Yeah, well, there's a few reviews on the Internet, but there's been no reviews by any of the major media.
No reviews of the book at all.
I think it's a case, Alex, where they feel that if they review it, they give it credibility, so they're staying away from it.
alex jones
I Unbelievable. We'll walk through some of the things that are covered in the book and why it's seen as controversial but you know that's why the mainstream media is dying is because people know they're acting as gatekeepers.
jesse ventura
Oh, there's no doubt about it.
I just spoke earlier on another show and they asked me why the mainstream media won't question the government.
And I said it's simple because if they don't play along with the government, they get no access to them.
And if they're denied access to them, they're dead in the water.
So therefore, they go along to get along so that they can do their jobs and continue to have access with, you know, the senators, the congressman, the president and all that stuff.
Because if they question anything, they lose that access, which is the kiss of death.
unidentified
Thank you.
Thank you.
alex jones
It is the kiss of death.
When we come back, I want to get into the war.
We're now almost 7 years into Iraq, or we are 7 years in now, in March, last month.
This was the 7th anniversary.
We're 8 years into Afghanistan, and there's just no end in sight.
I mean, when is it going to end?
jesse ventura
Well, first thing I'd like to ask you, Alex, is what the hell are we accomplishing?
alex jones
A bunch of weapons sales and oil?
jesse ventura
You know, that's the bottom line for me.
And maybe I say this selfishly, but how have these two wars helped Jesse Ventura?
Or how have these two wars helped Alex Jones?
Or how have these two wars helped the average Joe citizen of this country?
Other than bankrupting us, what is the ultimate goal that we will achieve to where we can all feel good about them?
alex jones
Absolutely. I mean, if our country was invaded, that'd be one thing.
Or even if we were an evil empire and the empire gave us some of the booty.
But no, we pay for it for offshore corporations that get the money and power.
jesse ventura
Exactly. And we're sitting here, our kids are dying over there.
Well, you know what it clearly shows me, Alex?
People should really wake up to the fact that the President ain't in charge.
alex jones
That's a good point.
jesse ventura
Because clearly Obama ran to get us out of the wars.
He said he'd close down Gitmo.
He said all of this stuff, and yet it's all gone the opposite way, hasn't it?
alex jones
It has.
jesse ventura
We're more into the wars.
Gitmo's still here.
So people should see clearly that the president is no longer in charge of the country.
alex jones
The next question is, what do we do to reverse that?
And I've documented that the government's provocateuring militias and other groups to demonize the Tea Parties and any opposition to that.
We'll talk about it all with former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura.
His new book, a bestseller.
Let's send it to number one on the New York Times bestseller list.
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He's the d-rex of political talk Alex Jones on the GCN radio network Well his television show got picked up for a second season record First season on true TV their number one new show I'm going to talk about because I can get these questions I know Jesse's wondering with all this censorship with all this control not one major News
book reviewer will talk about his number four on the New York Times bestseller list, American Conspiracies, four weeks in the top ten.
So why is that being censored?
Why do I get censored?
But why is he allowed to have a TV show?
We'll talk about that some coming up today.
We'll talk about opium trafficking.
We'll get into a whole host of issues.
Pat Tillman, you name it.
But Governor Jesse Ventura, for those who just joined us, we started getting into Well,
jesse ventura
I really don't think he does, and what's really educated me, Alex, is I've been reading, I've read, I'm in the process of finishing my second book by Colonel Fletcher Prouty, and I highly recommend both of them.
People need to read the Colonel's books.
He died in 2001 in June.
But if you read Fletcher Prouty's books, one of them's called The Secret Team, and the other one is called JFK.
And if you read those two books, it will become very clear that the history you've been taught is not the history of what's happened.
And let me make my point here for a moment.
Prouty was there.
Who Fletcher Prouty was?
Do you remember the movie JFK by Oliver Stone, of course?
Yes. That
is. It's all true.
That's what really resonated with me when I read Prouty's books.
I went, oh my God, the things he said here is exactly what has gone down.
alex jones
Let me be clear.
jesse ventura
The wars are fought in third world countries.
Oh, and remember them armaments that I told you they put in Okinawa?
Do you know what became of those?
No. Well,
alex jones
I'm chomping at the bit here, and I want to sit back and shut up, and you can tell us what you've learned, but this is what's so incredible.
I've known you for about four and a half years now, and the process, you knew about Gulf of Tonkin, you knew about the lies of Vietnam, you were very well informed, you've been visited by the CIA when you were governor, but it's been a process of you reading and researching, and now to see you, I interviewed Prouty, had to be like in 1997, we've been digging around looking for the tapes, And I have read over his work.
I've read his first book, not the second one you're talking about.
And then you discover that Joe McCarthy was actually right, but he was being used to set up a police state domestically with low-level communists but as soon as he found out the pentagon was running everything remember that was what they said was so absurd then they set him up and destroyed him and used the term McCarthyism to demonize him but then it was declassified seven years ago or six years ago that the Russians said no it's true he was right and then you learn that the whole geopolitical system is a war against individual populations
there was a deal with the Russians to build up their police state they would take over half the world the US would build up its police state Well, you know, the thing is, now, is this, Alex, I have the time to do it now.
jesse ventura
You know, when you're being a governor or you're governing a state or you're working in that capacity, you don't have time to do any research because your day is full 24 hours a day, seven days a week, just doing your job.
And now I don't have that job to do anymore.
And living in Mexico like I do for half the year, I read 15 to 17 books every winter down there.
And it's amazing how reading can educate you.
something I think we're losing track of in this country.
alex jones
I want to be specific.
It's amazing to see your development, and I'm not like on some mountain saying that, because I've noticed your discernment with issues getting into the whole conspiracy realm.
You go right to the best sources, the best documents, the best history, and it's just very exciting, Governor Ventura, to see you with a hit TV show, a best-selling book, and to really be one of the main leaders now of questioning our reality.
But I don't want to interrupt.
Go back.
Give people the name of the book again because I want to go buy it and read it.
Fletcher Prouty, on record, the head of black ops between the Pentagon and CIA.
He was sent away, you know, to the Arctic when they killed JFK.
He talked about how they pulled the security off, how it was a Pentagon black ops job.
We're going to play a clip from JFK coming up later, but take your time in the break with more of what you've learned and how you tie that in to all your other life knowledge.
jesse ventura
Again, it's a case that, uh, you know, Fletcher Prout, he just, uh, he lived through it, and, uh, I enjoy reading what he knows about, and he's an exceptionally bright guy.
See, the other thing he shows very clearly, which tells you how Obama isn't really in charge, Well,
alex jones
that's what Ron Paul said two months ago in a speech.
In fact, we'll cue that up.
It's about 20 seconds.
He said, we've had a CIA coup since the 60s.
They're bringing in the drugs.
We have a shadow government.
And my whole point is we have to come to the point as a nation to realize presidents come and go, but the secret teams run by the big Wall Street banks that set up the CIA rule this country, and by extension, the world.
jesse ventura
Yeah, pretty much.
At least that's the information that I'm arriving at.
It's not a nice arrival, but, you know, what can we do?
Well, I've been harping on it for about 12 years, Alex.
You can start by stop voting for Democrats and Republicans.
I don't care who you vote for.
Don't vote for them.
They're the problem.
They're not the solution.
And that's, you know, really, it gets to that.
Then, of course, you have to question, is the voting real?
Because with these electronic voting machines, they can be hacked into.
So you've got to question whether your votes are actually legitimate even in this country anymore.
alex jones
Exactly. Let me back you up, what you just said.
You take Gulf of Tonkin.
I sat through many hours of LBJ at his ranch outside Austin, Johnson City, a couple miles from where I sit, and McNamara, and McNamara is telling him what to do, and telling him they just staged the Gulf of Tonkin, and that this is what he's going to say at a press conference tomorrow, and Uh, the president's almost saying yes sir to him, and it's the same thing with Bay of Pigs.
They launched that without Kennedy knowing, and then blamed it on him when it failed.
jesse ventura
Exactly, and you gotta understand, too, it ain't McNamara.
McNamara's being briefed, too.
He probably only learned about it the week ahead of LBJ.
alex jones
No, no, that's on the tape.
He's saying, exactly, he says, these tapes are incredible.
He's saying the Pentagon did this, this is what you're gonna say.
jesse ventura
Yep. And see, he's been briefed.
See, Fletcher Prouty said the key to all this are these briefer guys.
These guys that the Pentagon has and the CIA have who do the briefings of the politicians.
They're the ones who sell the politician on the policy.
And it comes from them.
alex jones
You ought to interview Ray McGovern.
He was a top CIA briefer to Reagan and Bush I, and he agrees with everything you're saying.
jesse ventura
Yeah, well, that's what Fletcher Prouty said, and I haven't found a thing he's been wrong with yet.
alex jones
No, it's all accurate.
Incredible. Jesse Ventura, always wise, always informed, but just to know that he is really on the fast track to the key to planetary control.
It's all staged.
In the past it was.
There is a split between Russia now, it appears.
But in the past, all rigged, two empires carving up the world.
We'll be right back with Governor Jesse Ventura.
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I wish people could hear our behind-the-scenes discussions.
Governor Jesse Ventura is our guest.
Jesse, you're always a serious guy, but lately you have really seemed happy.
Why are you so happy?
jesse ventura
Mexico does that to me, Alex.
When I get down there, you know, I spent Friday and Saturday.
The waves were great.
They were running about three, three and a half feet, and they were coming in perfect for surfing.
So I had two great days of surfing down there.
And whenever I can live that lifestyle, I get very content and very pleased with the world.
alex jones
I hear you.
And first you have the tsunami and then the earthquake, but no problems.
jesse ventura
I didn't even feel the earthquake.
The earthquake happened way up by Mexicali, which is right on the border of Mexico and California.
Oh, I do want to, here's one thing when we talk that, Alex, that I want to put word out to people on.
Please allow me to do it here.
Everyone out there that knows anyone in the state of California, please encourage them this fall to vote for the legalization of marijuana.
It's going to be on the ballot in California.
No legalization to where marijuana would be treated like alcohol and tobacco.
And the reason I'm pleading with people to support this is to stop the carnage at the border.
Alex, it's awful.
17,000 people have died on the Mexican-U.S.
border just in the last year.
alex jones
No, it's a war zone.
jesse ventura
It's a war zone, and we can end it.
We can end it by simply legalizing.
Because that puts the cartels out of business.
They have nothing to sell then.
alex jones
But that's common sense.
All these fake conservatives say, that's of the devil.
Meanwhile, the CIA wants to keep all the drugs illegal, so they have an excuse to put people in prison, and so they can launder the money.
jesse ventura
Exactly, but see, we've got it.
Here's a chance where we've got it in the palm of our hand, Alex.
If the election is legitimate out in California, the people out there can vote for the first step, full legalization of marijuana.
And I think if you see California do it, it'll go like wildfire right across the country.
alex jones
Absolutely. So you heard it here, folks.
Vote for the decriminalization, legalization of marijuana in California.
Here's a Reuters article.
NATO rejects Russian call for Afghan poppy spraying.
NATO Wednesday rejected Russian calls for to eradicate opium poppy fields in Afghanistan, saying the best way for Moscow to help control the drug would be to give more assistance against the insurgency.
Then I was listening to BBC a few months ago.
And they were admitting that the U.S. protects the opium to be friends with the locals, and it's up more than 12 times what it was nine years ago, and there's opium flooding the world right now.
What's your take on government drug dealing, and that they're openly protecting the poppy fields?
jesse ventura
Well, you know, look at it this way, Alex.
The major banks, the international banks of the world, where do you think all that money goes?
millions and billions of dollars for the heroin trade gets wandered through.
And look at the timing of it.
The Wall Street crash happened right at the time the Taliban put the poppy growers out of business.
Okay, yep, because all of them there may be a correlation there.
We're talking about 2000 2001 Well, there's also the fact that the Taliban was cutting it off in 2000-2001, and you had the crash of 2001.
Yep. Notice how every time the drugs get cut off, it seems well, street crashes shortly thereafter.
alex jones
Well, you're right on that front again, but how can they just be in Reuters saying, we're not going to eradicate any poppy fields?
I mean, how obvious is that?
jesse ventura
Well, it's the old thing of the way we fight the wars today.
You know, sometimes the people you get in bed with are worse than the people you're fighting.
unidentified
Thank you.
alex jones
You're absolutely right.
Governor Jesse Ventura, I have a lot of questions that I want to ask here on my list, but going out to break on this short segment, what else do you want to relay to this audience that you think is important?
jesse ventura
Well, again, just to be vigilant and pay attention and to question your government at all times, because it needs to be questioned.
Right now, like I said, it should be clear to everyone that Barack Obama is not in charge.
I don't believe that he is now, because you see everything that he ran on, he hasn't come through on virtually anything.
He's now in the opposite camp, really.
And it's almost like he arrived there with this fresh, clean agenda, and it was like they took him to the woodshut and told him, well, you might be the president, but you don't run things.
alex jones
Well, certainly.
Plus, they finance him.
They finance McCain.
No matter who gets in, they control him.
jesse ventura
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
You know, you look at Obama's biggest contributor was Goldman Sachs.
And they're the ones that, what is it, the last five or six Department of Treasury secretaries have all come out of there?
alex jones
Absolutely. And then you look at Chile, Iceland, you look at Greece, you look at all these countries, first world, second world, They're all run by Goldman Sachs people.
That's the key heart to this group.
A ton of questions straight ahead for Governor Jesse Ventura.
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What have we got?
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A republic.
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It's based on a constitution which protects minority rights.
Not democracy, not mob rule.
Two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
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Governor Jesse Ventura, an icon of true political independence, In this country and worldwide is our guest and I'm really honored to have him and honored to count him as a friend.
He's a great guy.
He's for real.
And I want to get into how did he get his TV show on air?
We talked about this last time that he marveled, but now we see the censorship of his book.
No book reviews, even though it's number four on the New York Times bestseller list.
How did that happen?
We're going to talk about that in a moment.
But first, Governor, I got an email from a lady.
saying effective immediately she's never listening to my radio show again because i played the gun pod footage from the apaches killing these reporters shooting these kids laughing about it and then lying about it later all these other massacre videos here's the new york times today u.s.
forces horrifying afghanistan cover-up Obviously, we're not saying the individual troops are all bad, but Pat Tillman went over there, found that it was a fraud, wrote letters home.
That's a show you should do.
I talked to some of his family.
They wouldn't come on air.
They believe it was a hit.
The evidence came out.
They did cover up the friendly fire.
They killed him up at point-blank range, three shots in the head.
I mean, as Fletcher Pouty wrote, and he ran black ops, We propped up the Soviets.
We set it all up.
It's staged.
It's eating our entire system.
Is it unpatriotic to criticize corrupt, illegal wars?
jesse ventura
No, it's not.
You know, we went through this in Vietnam.
I would think that this country would have a little bit longer memory of the same type of affair took place in Vietnam, where you have the massacre at My Lai.
You know, people, and believe me, I'm not blaming the soldiers, I'm blaming the politicians, because it's ultimately their fault.
You know, war is the result of failed policy, failed politics, and the end result is war.
And so when your politicians fail you, you go to war.
And because of their failure, they put our young men and women into these wars.
Well, what they did, of course what they did is not good, but let's remember something.
Some of these guys are on their fifth, sixth, and seventh tour over there.
They've been hardened now.
They've been changed.
They are not the same people that left.
Trust me on that.
And so, there is nothing great and glorious about war.
War is the worst thing man's ever come up with.
And that's killing each other over what?
Political reasons, religion, whatever stupidity we might decide to go to war and murder each other over.
And so, no, you are not wrong in showing this, because what's wrong is sheltering people from it.
That's why these wars are going on, Alex, is because the American people have been sheltered, the media is not portraying what's happening over there, and they're not even showing the body bags when they come home.
alex jones
Well you're absolutely right and you talked about Fletcher Prouty who ran black ops in the Pentagon that's on record the liaison to the CIA and he's documenting how they made the decision at the end of World War II to attack third world countries to divide them to never have an outcome so the armaments industries could make a lot of money and get a lot of power and then we sit here and say that's exactly what Afghanistan and Iraq are we know this is the policy of divide and conquer We know they're turning our country into a militarized
surveillance police state, and it's our right as citizens to say that we don't want to be part of these illegal wars that George Washington said that we shouldn't be involved in foreign wars.
jesse ventura
Well, again, I guess sometimes a war is justified, you know.
There are occasions, you know, where a war you've got to go fight because there may be a tyrant like Adolf Hitler out there.
And that type of situation.
But ever since World War II, you cannot tell me one war that has been justified.
alex jones
But you talked about it being a failed policy.
Failed from our perspective, but if we know they're premeditated to be quagmires to make money, then it's not a failed policy.
They say the war on drugs is a failure.
There's more drugs, more people in prison.
But for the big banks and the military-industrial complex, that's a success.
jesse ventura
Oh, yeah, very much so.
People need to always remember there are profiteers at war.
There are people that wait for war because they become exceptionally wealthy when wars fought.
And these are the people that lead, these are the lobbyists that get those secret team guys at that level of government to move forward.
Like, here's what Proudy also brings out very clearly.
He brings out the fraud of the CIA.
We all believe the CIA is there to gather intelligence, right?
Yes. And assassinations.
Yeah, well, that's what helps create the wars.
See, they were designed by Harry Truman to not set policy.
They were supposedly to be there only to provide information for the president.
And Alan Dulles, Proudy makes it very clear that Alan Dulles, and of course he's neck deep a member of the Warren Commission and all that on Kennedy, Alan Dulles is the one that created today's CIA.
This independent, rogue, outlaw state that is uncontrollable now even by our own government.
They're on their own now.
They're cowboys.
unidentified
Thank you.
Thank you.
alex jones
Where do you see this going?
Because I have a Bloomberg report here in my stack where the federal government is telling private and public pension funds you must invest quote and failed banks and now they're getting ready to go after people's pension funds.
are they trying to push the american people into some type of armed revolt i believe they're trying to destroy the middle class Absolutely. And why?
jesse ventura
Because we're the only country that's ever really had one.
That's always been the American dream, is that you can rise from poverty in this country and you can become a millionaire.
Well, that dream is vanishing quickly.
There is not going to be a middle class in about 15 years, I don't believe.
There will just be rich and poor.
And therefore, we will be like every other country around the globe.
And maybe Alex is being done to globalize Mexico, Canada and us.
alex jones
Absolutely. North American Union.
That way people are so poor they can't ever resist the ruling class.
Here's that Bloomberg article.
jesse ventura
They gotta bring us down to Mexico's level.
alex jones
Oh, exactly.
That's what the globalists say.
In fact, there's a clip we have of Obama where he says, in this new world order, no nation can be above another.
But that doesn't mean raise the third world.
In the globalist documents, they want to lower everybody.
jesse ventura
Yeah. No, they would rather lower everybody.
alex jones
Unbelievable. And
since when would you with a clear conscience want to invest in a failed bank?
government says, Jesse, they want to grab your 401k and give it to the bankers.
jesse ventura
Well, I'll tell you, Alex.
I don't know.
Maybe they do want an on-the-street revolution.
I don't know.
alex jones
Well, I know they've been setting up for it and infiltrating.
I know they infiltrated these militias and set them up to create the illusion that there's about to be all this domestic terror, and I believe they're getting ready to stage terror attacks, Governor, to blame it on the American people, to use NORTHCOM against the American people.
jesse ventura
So that what?
They could empower themselves into a martial law type situation?
alex jones
I know they've been making preparations for two decades in earnest, starting with Oliver North, and I know I've never seen such a buildup towards it.
jesse ventura
Okay. Well, it's something we all got to be aware of, without a doubt.
But, you know, there's still us all the masses out there, and we're still very powerful.
The only thing is we have to learn to use our power.
alex jones
Well, you've got a powerful voice as a political icon, an independent, a former governor.
What would you say to the American people if we see some terror attacks, they're blamed on the American people, and they start trying to use these different enemy combatants...
Well, you know, I think the first thing we need to do is this.
jesse ventura
I think we need to put huge pressure on the Obama administration to rescind the Patriot Act.
Yes. I think that would be the great starting point for people to start marching and demanding that the Patriot Act be abolished.
Because the Patriot Act is the thing that's taking away our freedoms.
It's taking away habeas corpus where they can arrest you, simply say you committed a terrorist act.
You can't get a lawyer.
They can hold you without a trial.
And people in this country better wake up because what they're doing to them guys at Guantanamo, down at Gitmo, they could do to you.
alex jones
Well, that's what the Belligerent Act states that John McCain's introduced and Lindsey Graham's supporting.
It says, for any intelligence reason or any direction of the president, citizens can be grabbed and given enhanced interrogation and never be seen again.
I'm not kidding.
I even had Judge Napolitano...
unidentified
John McCain?
jesse ventura
Absolutely. John McCain is supporting something like that?
alex jones
Guys, print the Belligerent Act.
I want to read Governor Ventura the actual passage.
Yes, sir.
And I had Judge Napolitano on, who's a former federal judge.
Sure. Really?
jesse ventura
Well, then let me say this on your show, Alex.
I will never disappear by my own choice.
unidentified
Good point.
jesse ventura
So I've said it now on your show, so everybody knows that if Jesse Ventura suddenly disappears, they'll know that I wouldn't do that, other than to go surfing in Mexico, and you know that I'll come back every spring.
alex jones
Well, I tell you, that brings me to the next question.
I mean, as things heat up, as you become even more prominent, if that's possible, but you certainly are, and as people's respect for you goes even higher, we need to take good care of you.
So watch out, there aren't some frogmen out there when you're surfing that try to make you disappear.
Be careful.
I hope you're strapping a sidearm or at least a spear gun when you're out there.
jesse ventura
No. You know, I've always been a pretty good swimmer, Alex, and I can take care of myself in the water.
And I truly don't believe any of my SEAL teammates would do that to me.
alex jones
I don't think they wouldn't either.
jesse ventura
I don't believe that would happen.
And so maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.
But no, it's just a case, again, where we've got to keep talking.
When that lady that sent you that thing, I have sympathy for her son who's over there fighting because it's our fault.
People need to understand this also.
We can end all these wars by bringing the draft back.
And I used to be on the abolish the draft movement after Vietnam.
But now I realize that the professional military is a mistake.
Because the problem is this.
When you get a professional military like we have, we the public are then not vigilant.
We need to be vigilant to never send those young men and women into harm's way unless it is absolutely essential.
alex jones
No, we've got a mercenary army.
I think we should ban that first.
jesse ventura
I agree totally.
You've got to get rid of these mercenaries.
You've got to get rid of Black Leopard.
You've got to get rid of all of them groups, because there's actually more mercenaries in Iraq today than there are soldiers.
alex jones
Well, I've talked to Anthony Schaefer, Special Forces Colonel, Commander, and he talked about how the CIA wouldn't let him kill bin Laden two weeks before 9-11.
And he said that was being done because they already had contractors in the CIA with more power than the Army and the Navy, and that they basically are above the law and can do whatever they want.
jesse ventura
In Crowdy's book you'll find out the CIA runs our military.
Our military is used to back up whatever the CIA is getting involved with.
alex jones
Well, that's what Colonel Schaefer says, yeah.
jesse ventura
Oh, yeah, Proudy says it too.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Well, he might be good to interview Anthony Schaeffer.
He's on Fox and MSNBC and CNN, all of them.
Let me read this to you, just so it's on record.
In fact, here's the bill, right here, racing through the Senate right now.
The sinner is to be detained as enemy belligerence.
The full bill can be read here.
A person is considered a high-value detainee if they fulfill one of the following criteria.
And it says, Number three, potential intelligence value.
Number five, such other matters as the president considers appropriate.
And it says the Enemy Belligerent Interrogation Detention and Prosecution Act of 2010.
And it says they can secretly grab you, put a bag over your head, and then they can use enhanced interrogation, which is torture.
I mean, what's your take on...
unidentified
Alex, torture you to do what?
alex jones
I guess to say you're guilty.
jesse ventura
Well, I don't know.
Okay, let's say hypothetically they grabbed me.
What would they torture me to find out?
unidentified
I'm going to go to the next video.
alex jones
That's the whole point.
They only torture for terror and to get false confessions.
jesse ventura
Okay, so I'd have to confess to something then, right?
Yes. Okay.
That's what I was interested in.
Why on earth would they pick someone and then torture them?
For what purpose?
alex jones
Well, now, if we ever have another big war and people torture our troops, how can we say it's wrong?
jesse ventura
We can't.
We haven't been able to do that since Abu Ghraib and Gitmo.
We can't.
You know, let me throw this out for your listeners to understand this, too, Alex.
You know, we, the United States, and let me reiterate, my father's a World War II vet.
My mother's a World War II vet.
My brother and I are both Vietnam vets.
I say that because of what I'm going to tell you now.
We in the United States have been practicing terrorism for 50 years.
We just call it foreign policy.
Yes. Because we've been terrorizing Cuba.
We've attempted to kill Castro on multiple occasions.
We've ruined their cane fields.
We've attempted to destroy their economy.
Now, do you know about this character, Orlando Bosch?
alex jones
Tell folks about it.
jesse ventura
Well, Orlando Bosch was a guy who blew up, blew up a civilian Cuban airliner.
alex jones
For the CIA and got protected.
jesse ventura
No, there were 73 people on board.
Now, is that not an act of terrorism?
It is.
Well, Bruce Sr.
pardoned him.
Yes! Yeah.
alex jones
Yeah. So, again, and then there really isn't many people attacking us, so the military-industrial complex goes out and finances terror groups or stages attacks as the pretext to ratchet up the naked body scanners and the face scanners and the control. Yeah, maybe well.
jesse ventura
You may well be right on that.
Because, again, you know, we've been practicing terrorism for 50 years.
We just call it foreign policy.
You know, I mean, look at all the people we've tried to assassinate down in Central America.
That's not terrorism.
When you go in and attempt, just because a country has a different form of government than you have, what gives us the right to go into that country and attempt to assassinate their leader?
alex jones
Well, if they tried it here, they'd be called terrorists.
I'm skipping this network break.
We got about nine minutes left with Jesse Ventura.
This is a network break.
We're skipping it, not station break.
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jesse ventura
Right now we're just ramping up.
They just got the budget approved.
My son is finally, I think he'll get a paycheck next week.
So that means it's actually happening.
Cause that's how you judge in LA. A project's happening when you get a check and it clears the bank.
Yes. If
alex jones
you don't know the past, you're not going to know the future.
Oh, biological weapons, zoological weapons laboratory off the coast of New York where we got Lyme disease and so much more.
Now they've built 36 of these in major cities.
jesse ventura
Yeah, well, that's on the screen right now.
And there's a few other good ones.
And again, we're just tearing them down now.
We'll probably see what happens is this.
Pro TV will start off and they'll approve like two or three of them.
So we'll go ahead and begin working on them.
Then in the process of working on them, other approvals will come for the other shows.
And so then the staff will start ramping up for those shows also.
But what gets confusing in doing the shows is that sometimes we'll be doing four of them at one time.
alex jones
You guys aren't half-assing this either.
You do a lot of research, a lot of work, a lot goes into this television show.
jesse ventura
Well, I'll tell you, for our little purse-string budget that we're on, we do a hell of a job.
Because you know what I actually did in negotiations this year?
What? I was already locked in for the second season, so I couldn't negotiate money at all, but I could negotiate artistically.
I told my top agent at William Morris, I said, "Look, I said I want it in writing that this year we'll actually get a set of clappers for when we're out on the streets." You know what clappers are now, right?
Well, there are those little boards you see in Hollywood where they put in front of the camera what scene it is, blah, blah, blah, and then they clap, and that way you can separate all your shoots.
Well, we were so cheap in doing this thing, initially we had to use our hands.
alex jones
I remember.
jesse ventura
Yeah, to clap.
And so I told them, I said, look, the only thing I demand is that I want it in writing that we will have a clapper sent out.
Shoot. And it was funny because my top agent at William Morris started laughing and he said, Governor, I can assure you, I'll take it out of our end.
unidentified
You will have a clapper this year.
alex jones
Man, I tell you, you spent so much time, what, six months of work or more over a year making the last television program.
So when will we see this air in the fall of this year?
jesse ventura
I can't even venture a guess right now because, again, it'll depend on how many of them they want done and in the can and at what point are we at to finish up whatever is left.
Because once they make the decision to start airing them, I've got a feeling they're going to want to have the majority of them done so that they can air them weekly like they did last time, where 10 weeks in a row you will get a different conspiracy every week.
Well, I look forward to seeing you again in person.
alex jones
You're so great.
So is your son and the whole crew.
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Governor Ventura, in closing, we've got about three minutes left here, studying the New World Order, Well, I still don't know exactly who is.
jesse ventura
You know, if you're asking me to name names, I can't do that.
Even Fletcher Prouty can't do it.
alex jones
No, but what their agenda is.
jesse ventura
Well, to me, the agenda is simple, and it seems clear to me.
Ever since 9-11, it's been an agenda to take away our freedoms.
Slavery. And I think you can leave it right at that.
Swiveling! That's
true. Yeah, you're damn right it's true.
alex jones
All the originals are him.
jesse ventura
They're all made out of marijuana.
The Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and Betsy Ross's flag.
And so it doesn't surprise me that they want to eradicate marijuana because they're eradicating our Constitution, they're eradicating our Bill of Rights, and they've certainly eradicated the flag in my opinion.
alex jones
Governor, I'm going to say bye to you as soon as the show ends here in about 30 seconds, but I really want to thank you for coming on.
Congratulations for doing it your way, telling the truth, not compromising, getting a number one hit TV show on your network, number four on the New York Times bestseller list for the book, and people are waking up, and we got a good chance of bringing down this new world order, and thank God we got you on our team.
God bless you, Governor.
jesse ventura
All right, thanks, Alex.
We'll talk to you again in the spring.
alex jones
Absolutely. God bless you, Jesse Ventura.
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Let's go ahead and take some more calls.
alex jones
Tony in Canterbury.
You're on the air.
unidentified
Jason. Hello?
alex jones
Yes, sir.
unidentified
Hey, how you doing, boss?
All right.
Perfect. I was doing a lot of research over the past year because of all the information you guys have been providing.
Of course, everybody's thankful for that.
We do appreciate it.
But I haven't been hearing a lot of information about stuff.
Security companies like Converse Technology and Verint and Nice Systems as well as Noise.
alex jones
Well they're a revolving door in homeland security and it's the same in Europe where when somebody's in homeland security they give them the contracts and then five years later they move into that company as an executive.
Well absolutely and one of the biggest issues is that Converse, the headquarters is in Israel as well as all these other sub-companies I don't
They claim it doesn't get around the law, it just hides the criminality.
unidentified
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And if you do research hard enough, it leads all the way back down to Sourcefire, which their major clients are American Defense Department, the National Security Department, and a lot of these people think of, when they go online and they think that they're safe through these security companies, but one of the major companies that I found that was connected to these things is VeriSign.
Now, VeriSign deals with most of the, majority of the credit card securities Uh, online, and everybody trusts this company, but Versign, it's, it's directly linked to one of its major company, uh, partners is Norris Systems, which also deals with IBM, NEC, it also deals with, um, TenLink LTD, which provides for every single stage of level of launch.
alex jones
And the government can raise up the tech companies they want to be preeminent by giving them the contracts.
Great point, Tony.
Mohammed in Colorado, you're on the air.
unidentified
I don't know if anybody mentioned this on the Friday or Sunday show, but I just went to go see the new Clash of the Titans movie yesterday, and unlike the 80s show that's all about some dude that's kind of left-struck and going to fight things, this one to me was really almost like an allegory for the current state of the U.S. So in the movie you've got these Titans that are defeated by their sons,
the gods, and the gods make people, human beings, to pray to them in order for them to kind of live forever.
And so the people become very distraught with the tyranny of the titans and kind of rebel, and so they release this kraken that's supposed to kind of put the people back in check, and halfway through the movie, I immediately thought, you know, this is kind of like the U.S.
alex jones
Yeah, Bill 1 is the kraken.
Absolutely true.
unidentified
Right? Release the kraken.
You've got people who
And so, halfway through the movie, I really just started to realize, you know, this is really almost about America.
alex jones
Well, George Lucas said that episode three, Revenge of the Sith, is where the senator becomes the president, then the ruler, by staging terror attacks and outside military attacks on himself.
And many of the terrorist armies he's running don't even know that they're not really going to win in the end.
And Lucas said, no, no, this is what our government really does do.
He's definitely a 9-11 truther.
Uh, so, absolutely, that's what's going on.
unidentified
Yeah, so I sent you out there.
Anybody, um, that wants to, you know, take a moment or leave yourself with some stress.
Was it a good movie overall?
Overall, it was a pretty good movie.
And, uh, and it's, it's, it's, yeah, that message, that allegory is very overt, so it didn't take out a lot of digging until we realized that.
So, it's, it's worth checking out.
Interesting. Well, I don't watch a lot of films, but I may have to go watch it so we can do a review here.
alex jones
Plus, I like escapism occasionally.
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Catherine, out of the gates, we're going to get into government health care and your take on what it does.
But I first wanted to go to this Businessweek article.
FDIC wants pension funds to prop up failed banks.
And, in fact, this isn't the Bloomberg.
This is the law story.
I want the Bloomberg or Businessweek.
I want to show people that one.
This is basically the same article.
I mean, here's a link to the Bloomberg News.
I wanted to read the actual quotes where they're ordering, with this color of law, kind of like they ordered the banks to take the bailout, wink, wink, to invest public and private pension funds, quote, in failed banks.
Cameron Austin-Fence, what is all that about?
catherine austin fitts
Well, we have seen the pension funds over the last 10 to 20 years come under significant pressure to invest in a variety of things which have left the pension funds in real trouble.
So we have the pension funds.
The pension funds, the American pension funds, were the key vehicle used to finance the housing bubble and have gotten, you know, left holding the bag.
And so it is incredibly important, Alex, that pension funds have the legal protection and authority to finance, you know, what is the right thing to do.
And if there's...
The one reform that needs to happen is a real investigation of why do the pension funds keep doing, you know, the scams and how do you stop that?
Because it's left, you know, we now have state and local governments and companies having to come up with new big pension fund payments because there's been too much political interference.
I described, you've heard me tell the story where the president of the largest pension fund in the country, CalPERS, He said to me in 1997 when I was trying to interest him in refinancing American communities.
He said, it's too late.
You don't understand.
They've given up on the country.
They're moving all the money out starting in the fall.
unidentified
And my question is, who's they?
catherine austin fitts
And how can they order you as a pension fund board to just do things with your money?
And the reality is, if CalPERS had invested in the fundamental infrastructure I don't Right.
alex jones
trying to stop it on record even at the time so to be clear, we have the head NASA climatologist, we have the UN we have all these world leaders, Bill Gates saying they want to destroy industrial society so they get you in debt get your local governments Right. Right.
They move it all offshore, then the country implodes, and then they come in with even more debt, then they take over healthcare, then they run your life.
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Go ahead.
catherine austin fitts
Right, so then they say your pension funds have lost all this money.
Now, what's the FDIC up to?
The last person who should be telling the pension funds what they should invest in is the FDIC.
Now, I say that, and Alex, what you need to know is, you know, the patterns appear that lots of small banks are being targeted.
in a way that's ending up providing subsidy to the people who pick them up.
In other words, we have a double standard in enforcement by the banking regulators, so the big banks who've been doing all the improper things get bailed out, and the small banks who've been well-managed are getting targeted and taken over in a way that subsidizes the big banks.
So you have to be careful behind here, you know, that we don't see the FDIC driving the small banks into pension funds.
In a way that is part of an economic warfare game.
And my fear is, you know, the next thing you know, you see state and local government pension funds financing someone like Soros.
unidentified
Or the big hedge fund operators picking up these small banks for cheap.
alex jones
Absolutely. So that's why I brought this article up first.
And I want you to spend some more time on this before we get into some other related issues.
Because here they are in Businessweek, in Bloomberg, saying And Obama's people are now out there pushing this that, oh, we're going to just take your pension funds wholesale to protect them.
And then, of course, they'll invest those in derivatives again.
Then they'll take a large portion of it down the road, get people more dependent on government.
Well, we didn't take most of it, but, you know, you've got to stick with us or you won't get any of it.
It's this.
catherine austin fitts
Should capital be allocated according to, one, the preferences of the people who are either responsible, own it, or control it?
Two, according to economic performance, i.e., you know, what's the best investment?
Or, three, should it be channeled according to government dictates to a few small investors that allow them to control and own everything?
alex jones
Well, let me stop you again.
Exactly. It sounds good that In the banking bill, the government is now officially in the banking business.
Slipped into it was a student loan legislation where the government will now be the person loaning, but really it'll be the government directing you to specific top three or four banks.
So this is a vertical integration, and I want to be clear here for new listeners.
The government controls the regulators.
They can arrest or set up or shut down or sanction Well, it's the Soviet Union.
catherine austin fitts
But here's what you've got.
Let's say your neighbor, Alex, is an insider, and you are an outsider.
And your insider neighborhood plays ball with the government, and the government says, You know something? You can finance your car for 0%, which is what hedge fund operators have been doing.
They've been on the carry trade.
They've been borrowing for 0% to 1%.
And your neighbor can finance his car with 0% financing.
He can finance his mortgage with 0% financing.
And we're going to provide equity financing to his business for 2%.
Meantime, you have to pay 5% for your car financing, 6% for your mortgage financing, and by the way, you can't get equity How long is it going to take before your neighbor has a much bigger car, a much bigger house, and has bought your business, you know, that went bankrupt.
So we're talking about controlling through the back door by controlling the cost of capital, and certain players get a very low or even free or negative cost of capital.
So I'm a bank every time I lose, I'm a big bank every time I lose money, you just replenish what I lost.
alex jones
Whereas the rest of us have real risk, and we have to pay a much higher cost of capital And if you won't sell your business to them, they put in the green economy, which is run by government, they will selectively force you to sell your business or they will shut you down.
catherine austin fitts
Thousands of ways it happens, but there's a double standard in terms of regulatory enforcement.
So, for example, I used to have a broker dealer that was a small company before I'd worked on Wall Street.
And if you look at the enforcement costs and time that we spent as a small business, it was significantly greater.
But there are double standards.
Now, let me describe behind this what one of the legitimate problems is.
There's a problem in that right now the financial markets have two goals.
You know, the goal you're taught in business school is the goal of the financial markets is to allocate capital to the most efficient players.
And so, you know, some companies are efficient and they make money and so they attract you, you buy their stock as opposed to the big bank that has the derivative method goes bankrupt, right?
So one is the allocation of capital.
The other increasingly, Alex, is geopolitical economic warfare.
You know, we've gone from a planet where wars occur with bombs to where wars occur with derivative bombs.
And you're literally seeing sort of a geopolitical competition between the Chinese, the Russians, and populations around the globe for resources through the capital markets.
And so the national security goals of manipulating the futures market at the price of oil or the price of gold have literally overtaken, you know, And part of what you're seeing with all the goal of the capital control is literally if you're the government, you can't afford for people to be making a free market.
You need the 20 mules to go in this direction because that's what you need to manage the Chinese.
And so you have this incredible desire for control, including for a legitimate reason.
And let me tell you what the problem is.
You and I have talked many times about the red button problem.
Everybody in America, right now, we are all the beneficiary of this geopolitical effort.
So tomorrow, if the geopolitics stop, and America stopped playing to win at geopolitics, and we stopped being the global leader in money laundering, and we stopped, you know, stealing from people using derivatives, what would happen is everybody's government subsidy check would stop, and as of last month, Americans get more government checks We get more money from the government than we send to the government tax.
alex jones
Yeah, I saw that in the New York Times.
Stay there.
And again, I've been interrupting a few times because it's so incredible to see them openly saying they're going to take over the pension funds.
We're going to break down where this is going when we come back.
Stay with us.
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I want you to listen very carefully to Catherine Austin Fitch.
I want her to go back over the information she just laid on us and expand on it.
They get you dependent on government.
They take your pension funds, your investment, your tax money for the infrastructure.
They put it in offshore banks and derivatives.
That bankrupts people by design.
Then they come back and say we need even more money and more taxes to prop all this up.
When you hear it's for the geopolitical purposes of the U.S. and England and Europe, that's the private banking arms.
They're feeding on us, but they get us tied into their system where we can't live with it or without it.
And now it's coming towards a consolidation phase.
They're going to use phony environmentalism to bring in a form of neo-serfdom or feudalism to control our lives.
And now they're showing their true hand, ordering the pension funds to give their money to the private banks.
And, Catherine Austen, this is a short segment, but please elaborate on the point that you were making.
catherine austin fitts
You got me.
I just finished making the point about the red button and the extent to which we are financially dependent on global warfare.
So we're implementing warfare globally, whether with military warfare, with covert operations warfare, or increasingly now with financial warfare.
And the reality as a system is most Americans are the financial beneficiary of this sort Thank
you. We're good to
go. But to boil it down, we're coming to the end.
alex jones
The banks know they've pumped up the Ponzi scheme to such a level that they're now preparing To rob whatever wealth we've got left, and you talked about how the elites for the last decade have been leaving the United States, and now...
catherine austin fitts
Well, they're not coming to the end, because if you look at the wealth that this planet can create and harvest, the amount of wealth that's been created and can be harvested to date is tiny compared to what you could do in the next 20 or 30 years.
So they've just, you know, this is far, we're on a journey and the wealth that can be created is Far more than exist to date or have.
alex jones
Well, Catherine, you're misunderstanding.
Hold on.
You misunderstand what I'm saying.
Okay. They are artificially cutting the avenues of wealth off to independent groups and smaller organizations and vertically integrating it and saying they want to cut wealth generation off to people in the West.
I know they got us addicted.
catherine austin fitts
Right, in North America, their attitude is, "Listen, if you all just sit down, shut up, you know, we put an implant on you and you live on $600 of government subsidy a month, it'll make it much easier for us to manage the planet.
You've created a huge amount of wealth, we just stole it all, you're going to be real unhappy about that, so we just want you to sit in the corner and shut up." And what is the next thing?
alex jones
What is the next thing?
catherine austin fitts
Well, the next thing is they go to a global economy and a global government.
In other words, the people managing this in the United States don't see themselves as Americans anymore.
They see themselves as globalists, and they're managing to a global operation, and in fact, In fact, if you look at where their big investments are, their big investments are in space.
So in fact, you know, they're not necessarily even looking at planet Earth as the 100% base of operations.
But they have fantastic new technology, and they have a global framework.
And, you know, their attitude is, we've moved on, you're left behind, and the question is how do I move forward?
alex jones
I agree.
Now, when we come back with Katherine Austin-Fitz, I want you to elaborate on what their endgame is.
And we were talking during the last break, you were saying there are ways to stop this.
We want to get your perspective on that.
Katherine Austin-Fitz is our guest.
We really appreciate her being on the radio broadcast with us today.
We'll give you her website as well when we come back after this quick break.
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Again, Catherine Austin Fitch is a former Assistant Secretary of Housing, Federal Housing Commissioner under Bush 1. The website is solari.com.
Excellent info up there.
Okay, I'm gonna try to just sit back and give you the floor because I want you to give people the overview of who we're dealing with, what their endgame is, what the next phase of their operations is going to be, and how we stop them, how we get out of this trap of being dependent on them.
You notice all they ever want to do is get us more dependent so that there's basically no way to get away from these people.
catherine austin fitts
Right. Well, as it comes, you know, it's just just a big Yeah.
If we can face it, God can fix it.
And a lot of the solutions accelerate, Alex, the day that everyone sits back and says, you know, these guys are as nuts as Alex Jones says they are.
Because all this stuff about slavery and police state, you know, those are reasonable words.
That is where they're going.
And, you know, I say this as a former regulator, a former assistant secretary of housing, a former board member of a Wall Street firm, a former board member of Sallie Mae, It's a student loan finance organization.
And let me tell you how I came to that conclusion.
Part of my background is doing portfolio strategy for big, you know, I was the FHA Commissioner, so doing portfolio strategy for $300 billion of liabilities.
And then my company in Washington, the Hamilton Securities Group, built databases of all, you know, sort of community assets and real estate, which is looking at the entire GDP.
You're talking about the GNP of the planet.
So I'm used to dealing in very large numbers and actuarial analysis.
And actuarial analysis says, well, if you stop feeding people GMO food, they're going to live longer.
That means insurance companies are going to have to pay out this much more, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
so you're used to dealing in very big numbers and the butterfly effect of changes in policy with changes in a lifespan so I I give that as a background and I wrote this I wrote an essay about why I was opposed to the swine flu vaccination, and I literally, when I saw the policies that were being implemented in connection with the rollout of the WTO and the control of agribusiness worldwide,
the rounding up of innocent people in American communities and stuffed into prison and the private prison, I went through all the different trends from 96 to 98, and I came to the conclusion Thank you.
you know, the 20 policies I was seeing being implemented both here and globally with the WTO, particularly the control of the food supply and system with sort of what Monsanto is doing in genetically modified food.
And I was very quiet.
Okay. For years,
the only thing I can conclude is they're planning on significant depopulation.
And I said, well, that's what my analysis shows.
And we just kind of stared at each other.
And if you look across the board at what is being done in terms of building databases on American citizens, what is being done with RFID, is it RFID or RFDI?
alex jones
Well, they've got a bunch of different ones, but let me just stop you for a moment.
Okay. Because you did, as this huge actuary analyst running hundreds of millions of dollars, you saw it like if somebody sees a guy pull up in a van and start chasing a house and then checking the front door, you think maybe they're about to try to rob us.
I have been at the guy's house as a fly on the wall and heard him talk about how he's going to rob, and so separately, And of course you know all this now.
It turns out for 50 years they've been planning this and building a world government as a means to an end.
and all of the tracking, all of the surveillance, all the police state, all the mind control, the conditioning is to be rolled out in phases and we're now coming into the end game.
catherine austin fitts
You're coming into the end game.
alex jones
To literally kill 80% of people.
How do we stop this?
And again, in the phases, they shut the resources off so then you become dependent on government so it has you in its kill grid, the drugging, the cancer viruses and the shots, the mercury.
I mean, it's all happening.
catherine austin fitts
The food is poisoning us, the vaccines are poisoning us, on and on and on.
Here's the thing to understand.
Thank you.
you get a critical mass of people facing what's really going on.
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And then when you hit that tipping point, what can they do?
catherine austin fitts
Now, step one is, you know, the key thing to understand what everybody has to do is we have to do what gives us energy.
So, you know, what we all can't do is get in a bus and go to Washington today.
You know, there are many ideas of what we can do that waste a huge amount of our time and effort that we don't.
No, get out of the big cities.
alex jones
I say number one.
Get to know your neighbors.
Stop watching as much television.
Get healthy.
Purify your water.
But more importantly, recognize them as the enemy.
Don't just believe Catherine Austin Fitz.
Don't just believe Alex Jones.
Find out we're telling you the truth and this is life and death and then the ballgame isn't going to matter so much and take all your energies and stop seeing Catherine Austin Fitz as your champion.
Stop seeing Alex Jones as your champion.
You know, she's not Joan of Arc and I'm not George Washington.
catherine austin fitts
When you withdraw, all your ideas are great, but you want to get as financially not dependent on them as possible.
So get as far away as you can from government money or money that they control.
One of the things that is just a profoundly important thing is everybody tomorrow in the country, Alex, said, you know, any bank that's trading derivatives or any of the big banks that got bailout money, I'm getting as far away from them as I can.
So if you pulled your money out of the big banks and went to a well-managed local bank tomorrow, it would have a perfect...
Okay. We're good to
go. Absolutely.
it is, you know, withdraw as much as you can, your person, your family, how you spend your time.
Don't be financially dependent, but stop financing the very things that are killing you and your family.
alex jones
Absolutely.
Now, other solutions.
I mean, I jumped in there when you said get as far away as you can from the money.
catherine austin fitts
Here's the next solution.
Who are you supporting for sheriff in this local election?
Okay, it's 3,100 counties.
The sheriff, there's dual sovereignty under the Constitution.
sheriff can literally tell the federal government to get off, you know, your county property and know they may not enforce something that is outside the Tenth Amendment.
Okay, so we're coming into election, the election cycle.
And the election cycle is always a time, Alex, when you can be talking to your neighbors about all these issues.
And let me tell you something.
The fact that the bailouts and health care paths without having any kind of popular, sufficient popular support for a change of that extraordinary nature has got people worked up and they're ready to have a conversation.
So, number one, you want to get into office the right kind of sheriff and you want your sheriff.
Is your sheriff out there doing crime patrol?
Or is your sheriff instead spending all of your tax monies foreclosing on people on behalf of the Big Bank?
alex jones
And trying to squeeze people and raise revenue.
We've always promoted Patriot sheriffs, so we're on the same page on that front.
catherine austin fitts
The second thing is, in your state and local areas, you have candidates who are proposing Tenth Amendment legislation.
So, for example, Idaho passed the Health Freedom Act.
We have lots of states trying to pass Health Freedom Act.
We have lots of states, you know, doing a variety of things on the Tenth Amendment.
There's a great Tenth Amendment Center online.
So you want to find out where the state and local representatives who are active on Tenth Amendment, and you want to get hooked up and supporting them.
alex jones
Don't just count on other people to do it.
Now, I want to get into some other issues.
I'm going to talk about some more solutions here, but I also want to talk about what their endgame is.
studying these larger uh...
catherine austin fitts
okay so can i mention one other thing go ahead stop giving them your data there's a get one black if you read it went black on yes black wrote the book about i_b_m_ building the database and computer systems for the Holocaust yes okay well any any kind of police state or any kind of slavery depends seriously on having the infrastructure you need the database and and computer infrastructure
you need to manage large population so it's just like if you're a farmer and you have livestock you need great data and great databases if you're going to manage the population ditto here and what we're watching in the healthcare bill in a variety of different legislations and policies, and now with the census, is the effort to build the definitive database infrastructure that will allow them to define where you live, who you
live with, connect up your healthcare databases, connect up your tax information if they want to, connect up all sorts of private commercial information they have about your spending habits.
alex jones
Well, that's what this bill does.
It says the IRS looks at the health care you're getting.
You can take money out of your savings account, medical savings account.
You were talking about how they're putting in new laws to track all your money or not let you get your money out of the country.
The elites already pulled their money out.
Now they want to make sure the middle class has to stay here and basically be sucked dry.
catherine austin fitts
Right. So what you want to do, the first thing you want to do is you want to get your data out of the system.
Stop giving them data.
Okay? And there are lots of different ways you can do that.
And then the second thing you want to do is you want to get out of the money system as much as possible anyway.
So anything you can do to protect, to not make yourself a target, you know, we can put our money in a stock, get a dividend, and then go buy water from the water company.
But also if we live in a rural area, we can just stop being in the middle and we can go out and build a well.
And then I don't need your stock.
alex jones
Those are all great solutions.
I, number one, say wake people up.
They're ready to be woken up to the full horror.
But looking at their program and being able to factor in all these different elements on a wide spectrum analysis, what do you see as their game plan in the next six months to a year to two years, out to five years?
How do you see them unrolling this global financial takeover?
And then we'll dovetail that with this war-making economy.
That isn't just launching wars overseas.
Naked body scanners, surveillance, face scanners, CPS, DynCorp out grabbing more children for no reason, the Texas case where they're taking people's kids now if their parents say don't trust the government.
I mean, it's getting crazy.
catherine austin fitts
Right. No, it's well, it's been crazy for a long time, but it's going to become very crazy to most people.
And I think what you need to do is first and foremost, you need to know that if you are They can't do this.
And so the question is what...
Step number one everybody has to do is turn off their TV and stop listening to their media and stay linked into media that's telling you the truth.
That's step number one.
Because the first way they control you, Alex, is with your mind.
So the first step is get your mind clean.
Don't let them control your mind.
alex jones
Well, I mean, how can a cop take a family's child and put on the CPS form They taught their children not to trust the government.
I mean, that's right out of 1984, and these cops feel good while they're doing this.
I mean, these are tyrants.
catherine austin fitts
You know why?
Because I've seen this in my own situation when I was targeted.
Every team, we had 18 audits and investigations at the Hamilton Securities Group.
And when each one started, the people coming in to audit and investigate thought we were, you know, just bad, horrible people.
And then we'd work with them, and before it was over, they'd be on our side against the government.
But initially, they are taught to believe that you're bad people, and the problem is most people get defensive and don't work through it.
We were trained in spiritual warfare, so we saw it as our job to bring them across to the light, and usually did.
And so, you know, they really don't know, and it's hard, Alex, for you to fathom that the system is that ugly or that evil.
They really don't know, many of them.
So we got to turn them around.
alex jones
When you saw our article last Friday, "Cops and CPS Seize Child from Parents for Mistrusting Government," I was aware of this, but you sent me a lot of stuff that I actually wasn't aware of.
And we're going to be showing people some document cam shots right now.
With DynCorp heavily involved, globally it's been congressional hearings in white slavery, child kidnapping rings, they now have a new name, but CSC DynCorp.
catherine austin fitts
Well they marched into CSC and then they got spun off and went public.
So they're back to their old name.
alex jones
Okay, so but I mean I have all the mainstream news articles This is literally a legion of doom and that's all part of their military operation and grabbing kids is very lucrative Well the scariest story in the world and one that's hard for most people to get into is the role of pedophilia And pedophilia is a very old story Alex.
catherine austin fitts
It's been used for years You know as a both a you know a personnel benefit if you will and a form of entrapment once you get a file Well, you know, once you get dirty pictures of somebody engaged in pedophilia, politician or business leader, you own them for life.
It's one of the most economic ways to control there is.
I hate to say it, but that's the reality.
If you look at the history of narcotics trafficking and mortgage fraud in this country, it's intimately linked with pedophilia and sex slavery.
You know, I just hate to say it, but that's the way it is.
And I got onto DynCorp in the 90s because you had a couple of whistleblowers when DynCorp was a government contract.
You had their project managers literally engaged in owning, you know, buying and owning children and using them for sex and working with the local mafias who were tracking it.
And yet the State Department, where DynCorp is the biggest contract, was forgiving all of this.
Anyway, this is all on the public record.
And then DynCorp started to pop up in child protective services contracts around the country.
And we were in a tough spot.
alex jones
Stay there.
Stay there, Katherine.
I'm going to have to have you back for a full hour soon on this subject because you I actually got death threats when I first started covering this about eight years ago when we learned about Dime Corps.
Just modern slave trafficking.
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On the 21st of April, later this month, Katherine Austen-Fitz will spend at least an hour with us.
She's very, very gracious.
We'll give you her website before she leaves us.
But for PrisonPlanet.tv viewers, I was just showing mainstream news articles.
I have congressional hearings for DynCorp.
They say, well, you kidnapped tens of thousands of children for sex slaves.
And then they asked Rumsfeld, why are they allowed to do this?
And he just said, they just are.
And again, the magnitude of the evil and DynCorp.
I know some of this, but she sent me a link to news articles.
And government purchase orders where they're involved all over warehousing the kids once they're taken.
So now it's not enough to grab Iraqi kids or Serb kids, now they're grabbing our kids.
Catherine, finish your story.
catherine austin fitts
Okay, so I'm...
The way I got onto this was I was in Washington and I had come on to DynCorp because of their role in the war on drugs.
And I'll tell you two stories.
The first was a group of peasant women from South America came up to give a presentation to congressmen, and they gave a presentation in Washington on how they were being moved off their land, private people were picking up their land for cheap, and then the government was building housing, and, you know, this whole war on drugs game.
And so I kept asking them questions, and finally they got very suspicious and said, how come you know so much about how the money works in our country?
And I said, well, I was the Assistant Secretary of Housing, and apparently it works the same way in your country as it works at ours.
So afterwards I did a little research and discovered the same contractor in enforcement at HUD in this country was the lead contractor in Latin America on the war on drugs.
It was DynCorp.
So I started to get in and look at DynCorp and on and on and on, and that's when the story of the sex slave trafficking came out, and it was unbelievable because Insight Magazine, Alex, wrote a great story about sex slave trafficking, the allegations.
And the next week, both the Navy and the State Department gave huge new contracts to DynCorp.
You know, so it didn't seem to matter.
It was quite amazing.
Anyway, so fast forward, I ended up writing a series of stories about DynCorp and illuminating what was going on because, in fact, the chairman of the Thank you.
going on with the funny money was pretty scary.
So when our litigation was very hot and heavy, and of course DynCorp was a big contractor at the Department of Justice and was said by the Inflaw people to be one of the managers of the Promise software.
Anyway, so we're in the middle of the litigation And I have a person, one of the people working for me, helping me do the litigation support work, which was very time-consuming, came to me and said, you know, somebody from Child Protective Services showed up at my house.
And she's an only, you know, she's a single mom.
alex jones
We've got a minute and a half left, so finish up on this.
catherine austin fitts
And so she said, I'm sure it's a mistake.
And I said, no, no, no, no, this is dangerous.
We need to research.
Find out if DynCorp Sure enough, they were, and we literally had to get her to move to another state.
alex jones
And this is a child molestation army, so...
catherine austin fitts
Well, but what you need to...
So last week when I saw what was going on in Texas, I said, you want to check and see whether DynCorp is behind, you know, is in the mix, because the idea of going after people's children just because they disagree with government policy, this is a real risk.
alex jones
This is Pierre Abel.
Do you have one more point you wanted to make?
catherine austin fitts
Yes, I just wanted to thank you, Alex.
You sent two of your incredible producers down to my house.
During a snowstorm, they came all the way out from Memphis in a snowstorm.
I never thought they'd make it.
We spent a day filming.
They were so intelligent.
They were so professional.
They were so capable.
I said, wow, you know, Alex Jones is going to a whole new level.
What a team.
I was very impressed.
alex jones
You're a sweetheart, Katherine Austin Fitch.
God bless you.
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Music Big Brother.
Mainstream media.
Government cover-ups.
You want answers?
Well, so does he.
He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
You are the target of the New World Order.
alex jones
Governments killed more than 200 million people last century.
They're already off to a great start this century.
Millions and millions killed.
Over a million and a half Iraqis, thanks to our criminal wars.
And we are the target here in the United States.
All you eugenicists, all you social Darwinists, all you fake environmentalists, you're all under savage attack by your own masters.
We've got a very informative guest coming up for the rest of the hour in the next segment.
And then we got Bob Chapman coming on about the economy.
I'll intersperse important news when he's on with us like this news.
North Korea warns it will meet war with all-out war, CNN.
Geithner talks up stability deal.
That's the new world government.
They're setting up via the banking system.
They create the crisis, offer the solution.
French minister says bailout alters EU treaty.
Violates it.
Goldman seeks to avoid fraud in settlement report.
The government's already dropped charges on AIG.
And then passed the Banking Reform Act that lets them spy on everything you do in your bank account.
Take over local small banks that are healthy.
Gives the criminal banks all the power over everything.
As Dr. Paul Craig Roberts told you yesterday, former head of policy department of the Treasury.
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alex jones
Goldman Sachs and others are really going to rape everybody now.
Oh, you set up a huge implosion to consolidate power.
Here, here's more power.
That will teach you.
Our blowouts coming in California with a regime change in November.
And it says that all the polls show that every mainline Democratic incumbent and a lot of Republican incumbents are in trouble.
Well, what do you expect?
You got a gun-grabbing, open-border-promoting globalist who promotes global warming and carbon taxes, Arnold A. Lewis.
He admires Hitler, Schwarzenegger.
I mean, California, you get what you deserve.
You're into trendiness, you're into acting cool, you're into the New World Order.
Well, now they're trying to pass taxes on exit taxes.
We won't be able to escape California.
It's a beautiful state, got a lot of wonderful people in it, but it's also got a lot of airheads in it, and California better wake up and go absolutely ape now, or you will be fully imploded by the globalists.
They want you to fail.
You understand that?
In fact, here's another one.
Bankruptcy talk spreads among California municipal officials.
And then they'll go bankrupt to the state.
The state will go bankrupt.
This is out of Reuters.
And then they'll go bankrupt to the foreign bankers, who will wave a magic fairy wand and go, oh, here's $100 million more.
We just made it up, but now we own you.
And now it's not at 10% interest, California.
Now it's at 20% interest.
And you better raise more taxes.
You better shake down everybody there to give us real assets.
Because we made it up out of nothing, and we're the bankers, and you're a bunch of gullible idiots.
And every other state, Texas, it doesn't matter.
They're going to rape every one of you until you get angry and wake up.
They're never going to stop.
They know exactly what they're doing.
Here's a big article by Paul Joseph Watson.
Guess what?
We found out that the same corporation that did the bond proposal and built the hardened $28 million facility that no one ever moved into, that we have the blueprints for, that is to be used by FEMA, That's up on our Alex Jones YouTube channel.
Private corporation building detention camps across America.
Cole Watson wrote this yesterday.
Have him add that YouTube video I posted of inside the facility.
I was getting a tour and she goes, oh, excuse me, the phone's ringing.
I went, oh, thank you.
Ducked into three offices, ran in, blueprints on a table, hidden in plain view, flipping through them.
And it says alien detention facility.
And that doesn't mean little green men, folks.
That means U.S. citizen script.
Under the Enemy Combatant Act.
And put in there.
And CNN admits that.
They were looking at the facility as a detention facility.
For citizens and others.
And we went and showed the blueprints.
But the issue is the same companies building them all over the U.S. And getting sucker locals to fund it.
So that's coming up when Bob Chapman's on with us.
Also, G20 Toronto police make first summit arrests for banks vandalized.
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You want answers?
Well, so does he.
He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
Live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
alex jones
We're live, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you for joining us, the 28th day of May, 2010, on this Friday edition.
Two days ago, we posted the amazing article written by Paul Joseph Watson at PrisonPilot.com and InfoWars.com.
Pop construction firm, WTC, destroyed by controlled demolition.
Now, remember just a month ago, Back on April 23rd, the headline bombshell, Silberstein wanted to demolish building 7 on 9-1-1.
That is from Fox News.
But the Fox News reporter said, I was there that day, I was with Silberstein and the emergency management people, and yes they did say they were looking at wiring and blowing up 7, but magically it fell on its own so we didn't have to blow it up.
Well, it takes weeks, if not months, to properly demolish a 47-story building.
A few years ago, they tried to blow up the Intel building in Austin.
A top firm did.
It failed.
Intel, in the late 90s, during the dot-com bust, finished the skeleton of the building.
Then it collapsed, the dot-com bubble, so that they never finished it.
But they couldn't even blow up the skeleton of it on the first try.
The superstructure.
And then we have all the police and firemen footage.
I'm not going to go back over today.
We may play some.
Where the cops are saying, get back, get back, get back.
We're going to blow it up.
We're going to blow up 7. And I remember being in the car that day.
I'd been on air all day.
I ran out of the studio to get a pizza, literally a half mile away, to scarf it.
I was scarfing it in the car as I was driving back to go back on air.
And they were on ABC News saying they're going to blow up building 7. And then I talked about it and people said you're a conspiracy theorist.
Well, it turns out there's scores of newscasts now, including BBC, where they did a false script and announced that it had fallen in its own footprint 25 minutes before it did.
So, look, there's no doubt, folks, they blew up Building 7. We had Barry Jennings, the deputy head of New York Emergency Management, on.
Two weeks later, he died mysteriously.
And he was getting threats.
And he said, yeah, they blew up Building 7. So this isn't a game we're playing.
I mean, I hope you understand that.
Now, you can debate who carried out 9-11.
Who had, you know, the means, opportunity, the motive, and who thought they could get away with it.
And that's the Western power structure.
No one else.
That's England, the U.S., Israel.
They're all joined at the hip.
But for the next hour, and a little bit into the next hour, then Bob Chapman's joining us.
Alan Hart joins us because He's another window into this.
You know, you have this Fox News reporter going with the lie, saying, yeah, okay, we were there, they were talking about blowing it up, but we didn't.
So you're a conspiracy theorist forever saying we did.
And then you've got all the firemen, you know, saying, yeah, they told us they blew it up.
And then they get fired or threatened, and the cops saying, yeah, they said they blew it up.
I've interviewed those cops, Bartmer and others.
I've gone and found the cops who were on the CNN video saying, get back, they're bringing it down, folks.
We have the live footage!
Get back!
They're blowing it up!
And then again, the cops weren't involved.
They were brought into it.
And then once they've accepted it, they just engage in Crimestopper, Doublethink, and then they don't talk about it.
But I'm going to shut up.
It's just to get into Building 7, to get into 9-11, to get into the NORAD stand down, to get into U.S. and British troops, mass in and around Afghanistan in the two months before, and Newsweek admitting Bush signed the attack order to go into Afghanistan on September 10th, and Jeb Bush declared martial law two days before in Florida, A.P. And hijackers trained at U.S. bases.
They thought they were taking part of it, you know, in a drill.
On and on.
It's all confirmed.
But to have another eyewitness who's a prestigious pedigree with the BBC, ITN, top correspondent in the Middle East, you know, interviewing with Shaw, Yasser Arafat.
I mean, he's at the highest level of journalist, Alan Hart, blowing the whistle that day one he was witnessing the cover-up.
In the media, the self-censorship, that...
Because people are...
It's like Albert Speer, the German interior minister, the architect, was asked later, why did you go along with Hitler?
Why did you do all this?
Because he was known as an intellectual and an aristocrat, and they actually let him off because the British liked him so much at Nuremberg.
And he said, well, when the devil's got his arm around you, being nice to you, you don't...
You know, recognizes the devil and he just wants you're in it, you're in it.
Well, folks, we got to say we're not part of this.
The media, everybody.
Again, I'm going to shut up and I apologize for spending some time here with this precious guest.
I just wanted to preface it.
Alan, you don't like talking about yourself, but you've got such a lengthy bio.
You know, it'd be like talking about Muhammad Ali's boxing career.
You know, that would take an hour to just hit the highlights.
But for those that don't know who Alan Hart is and the website's alanhart.net, Tell us about your career, what you've done, and why you're going public now.
alan hart
Well, Alec, first of all, let me say I'm delighted to become a member of your truth-telling society, if I can put it like that, and I'd like to tell you why in two sentences.
When I became a very young reporter with independent They certainly have.
alex jones
They've been part of the complete overthrow of our society.
alan hart
Okay, well, Alex, my background is I've been in journalism and I've been doing secret politics in the Middle East for the best part of 40 years.
I have two claims to fame in a sense.
I am the only person on earth, I think, who enjoyed intimate access to and on the human level of friendship with the two greatest opposites in all of human history.
Golda Meir, Mother Israel, and Yasser Arafat, Father Palestine.
I think there's nobody else on the planet who can say that.
My other claim to fame is that you know the first rule of journalism, Alex.
If you offend both parties to a dispute or a conflict, you're probably on the right track.
Yes. Well, I am red-flagged by Zionism and the regimes of an impoverished On
a war he could not win and should not have fought.
It was there that I started to say to myself, what the hell is this world all about?
alex jones
Amazing. And again, you're being, you know, meek about your amazing career, sir, and we appreciate you joining us.
We'll also talk about some of the books that you've written before you leave us.
But let's plunge into it now.
Why have you decided to come out and, you know, lay out the fact Okay, well let's go head on to that, Alex. First of all, I am not a latecomer to the truth of 9-11.
alan hart
I've been aware of the I didn't want to give supporters of Israel right or wrong the ammunition to dismiss me as a mad
conspiracy theorist because of my views on 9-11 in order to divert attention away from all the other truths I reveal in my book.
I think you'll understand what I'm saying.
alex jones
Yes, I understand.
alan hart
Okay, so here I am in America.
I did an interview with another talk show host Yes.
He asked about 9-11, so I thought, hell, the book's out.
The book's published.
Volume 3 of the American edition is coming in a very few days.
So I decided that the time had come to end my own silence.
And the point is this.
What I think about 9-11 as an individual is not important.
It's what people that I've learned to respect think.
Now, I have many friends in all walks of life, politics, business, That's right.
studying all the films and everything else.
They did for me privately.
alex jones
Well, you're a renowned journalist and award-winning, so that's standard for those that don't know, to not reveal your sources.
You don't want to throw them overboard.
I mean, they did this in confidence, but continue.
alan hart
Okay, so here we are.
They are truly world-leading consultants, and they said to me when they studied the film footage and everything else, Alan, it is irrefutable that the Twin Towers were brought down by controlled explosions from within.
Now I know there are many other people that say that in America, but as a journalist, I can only go on people that I know and trust, right?
Yes. We've
alex jones
got a break.
I apologize.
I'm not going to cut you off for a single second when we get back, and we'll run through all of this.
The King David hotel bombing, the Levan affair, on and on and on.
Israel admits in Haaretz and Jerusalem Post they have fake Al Qaeda groups that stage events every time there's about to be a peace deal.
So we'll come back and continue where you just left off.
We're very honored to have our guest with us, Alan Hart, today.
We'll be right back.
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We'll be right back.
alex jones
Hello, this is Alex Jones with some important questions.
If you're going into a battle and they give you a rifle and a sidearm, how much ammunition do you want?
My answer would be all I can get.
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How much do you want?
When do you want it?
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When will you need it?
Can you buy it without proper identification?
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Will it make your children sick?
If there's a quarantine and you can't feed yourself, will you go to the gathering center and be immunized?
You wipe out all these problems if you have a good food supply.
Food is your ammunition to fight for your freedom and your life.
How much will you need?
We don't know.
How much do you want?
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They helped to create a new world order.
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We are part of a new world order.
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alex jones
It means all the world under their control.
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The United Nations would take over America.
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Started out his beat during the Vietnam War over there.
Okay, this is a short segment.
You got cut off by the break.
Please start back over with the information you were covering concerning 9-11.
alan hart
Right. To pick up where we were, Alex, it's not impossible, and this is my speculation, it's not impossible that it started out as an all-Muslim plot.
But even if it did, it would have been very quickly taken over by Israeli agents.
I mean, one of the great truths of history is that from almost the moment of Israel's birth, Israeli agents, either Mossad or the directors of military intelligence, penetrated every Arab government every Arab military organization, every Arab terrorist group, whether they were terrorists or not.
And if we time later on, ask me to tell you this particular story, the penetration of the Abu Nidal group.
But for now, let us say, even if it started out as an all-Muslim plot, Israeli agents inside would have got to know about it.
And my guess is that they would have said to the bad guys in the CIA and their associates, Zionist associates and other neocon associates, hey, this plot is running.
What do we do with it?
And the answer would have been, we'll use it.
Because we know in the background that Paul Wolfowitz had already spoken in his paper, The Clean Break, about the need for a Pearl Harbor event, right?
alex jones
Yes, the PNAC documents.
alan hart
That's right.
So the Zionists and the neocons, they were looking for a Pearl Harbor event to give them the pretext to go to war, not only in Iraq to get rid of Saddam Hussein, but
the clean break document that the Zionists in America wrote for incoming Prime Minister Netanyahu in his first term talked about the need not only to get rid of Saddam Hussein, but to roll back Syria and eventually go for Iran.
alex jones
Which we now see happening.
I want to continue fleshing this out from your experience and reporting for decades from the Middle East and interviewing Yasser Arafat and, you know, just countless other people.
And as you said earlier, the founder of the modern state of Israel, who I believe you were saying you consider to be a friend.
That is so interesting.
I want to discuss that and it must be painful to have to, you know, talk about this and go over this because the truth is painful.
I'm only looking for the truth.
And a lot of the people that constantly attack Israel, in my experience, make stuff up.
They hyperventilate.
It's a religion of hating Israel.
They lie about me.
They lie about others, so I don't have any respect for them.
But somebody like you...
Who does have a great track record and who I have researched.
That's why you're here on the show and that's why we're talking about this.
And I do believe at certain levels Israel was involved in 9-11.
We know that there were hijackers that were living in homes paid for by Israeli intelligence.
We know Fox News even reported that hundreds of Israeli spies were arrested in and around 9-11.
I've interviewed the sheriff who up the dancing Israelis, who it later turned out were Mossad.
And we do know the moving company was a Mossad front.
We do know they were videotaping it.
I call Cheney the real Dr. Strange by coincidence.
I'm always worried about anything that says it's one group or another group.
When you point out rightly that...
I mean, take Adam Gadon, the grandson of the ADL former head, up there putting up fake Al-Qaeda videos.
The CIA admits they're putting out fake bin Laden videos now in the Washington Post.
I mean, that is clearly an Israeli production with Adam Gadon to menace and scare the American people.
So I'm all about exposing things.
I've just found the British stage terror, the US stage terror, Uh, and so I want to speak about that because, uh, you, I mean, you're saying Israel found out about it and then said, hey, this is going on.
Let's piggyback, uh, or, or, or piggyback on it.
But, but for me, it's more than just piggybacking.
These governments at every level were involved shepherding the operation.
alan hart
But Alex, there are so many other things.
I mean, look, for goodness sake, there has been a complete Absolutely.
Now in my view, Oswald didn't fire a shot.
alex jones
Oh, the evidence is overwhelming.
alan hart
So, you know, America has an incredible tradition at leadership level in suppressing the truth.
And the question you have to ask, surely, is in whose interest is it that American citizens, the voters, be denied the truth about so much?
alex jones
So for you, it...
It's all motive.
You believe you're saying Israel had the most in the motive.
Well, let's come back and talk about that.
alan hart
No, no, Alex, with respect, I'm not...
alex jones
Okay, right.
Stay there, then we'll get your answer on the other side.
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because And
alex jones
that's why they let him build a giant mosque on the ruins of 9-11.
That's why it turned out it was an intel op doing the Mohammed cartoons with him with a bomb on his head.
Well, they say they want a clash of civilizations in the PNAC documents.
alan hart
Yeah, but Alex, you just used a word which I'd like to pick up on a phrase, police state.
Now, you know we had a prime minister called Edward Heath.
Yes. Not too long ago.
Soon after he left office, my wife and I had lunch with him.
And I said, Mr.
Heath, what is your biggest fear for the future?
Remember, this is a British Prime Minister.
I thought he would talk about global poverty because he had been involved with it, as I had.
But he didn't.
He said that Britain will become the first police state in the so-called democratic world.
Now, this is a guy who's been Prime Minister, who knows how the system works.
And he's telling me that he fears Britain will become the first police state.
No doubt you've read Alex George Orwell's 1984, yep.
alex jones
Yes, that's what he envisioned coming to fruition in England if things weren't reversed.
alan hart
I go further, Alex.
I think the Western world is on that road and well on it.
You see, I don't think democracy I agree.
alex jones
It's manufactured consent.
It's in SOC.
They have removed the language and debased it down to such a level that you can't even have a communication with the average person.
alan hart
That's right.
But the problem, I would go so far as to say, in some important respects, democracy exists least of all in America, because what passes for democracy is simply for sale to the highest bidders.
It does include the Zionist lobby in association with the Christian fundamentals.
It does include the banks, the drugs, the military industrial complex.
We know them all.
I mean, it seems to me that it really doesn't matter who the hell is in the White House, who the hell is in number 10 Downing Street in London.
They are, to a very large extent, puppets of a very tiny minority of vested interest.
And that's why getting the truth out to mobilize citizens to make their democracy work is so important.
alex jones
Well, you're right.
I mean, there's really five big lobbies, and they're all interconnected, literally intermarried, and they all want the same thing.
They want to keep the war on drugs going because they're shipping in the illegal drugs.
They want to push their deadly pharmaceuticals on us and have forced inoculations.
They want, you know, more tyranny.
The Defense Department, the private contractors are now taking over the police departments, the red light cameras, the surveillance, the iPhones, the computers.
They are privatizing the police state and then literally absorbing the once-free society.
But I want to expand on things that you brought up here, because I've studied 9-11 in depth.
I said they were going to attack the World Trade Centers two months before it happened.
I could see the preconditioning in the media that was taking place.
And your research in the Middle East of how the Mossad and the Shin Bet have infiltrated all these groups, that's on record.
But it's more than that.
We know According to Colonel Butler, the head of the Defense Language School, and the AP, and Newsweek, and other publications, they hide this in plain view, that many of the hijackers were trained at U.S. bases, and we know they were taking part in drills, infiltration drills, and believe they were government agents.
And we know Israelis were paying for their houses, were paying for their apartments, were giving them money.
I mean, this has come out even on Fox News.
But that goes further than the Israelis just piggybacking on a Muslim operation.
And all I want is the truth.
How do you have these guys trained at U.S.
bases? Yeah.
alan hart
But, Alex, I mean, one of the fascinating things about the whole unfolding drama is the film of what I call the five dancing Israelis.
Of course, you're aware of that film.
Yes. I mean, you pull out and you see one of the planes going into the building and you see these five guys virtually dancing all on mobile phones.
Now, you know, and I'm sure most of your listeners know, that they were originally reported as being just foreigners, maybe presumed Muslims.
And the FBI gave chase, didn't they?
And they tried to avoid arrest, but they were eventually caught.
And surprise, surprise, they all turned out to be Mossad agents.
Now, I think it's not unreasonable to speculate that on their telephones, they may actually have been calling in the planes to the buildings.
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alex jones
Well, if they were GPS, it would already be a preplanned coordinate.
alan hart
But if they weren't, they may have had some kind of transponder in which they were calling in the men to the target.
But I mean, the point is, the guys were there and they knew in advance it was going to happen.
alex jones
Well, I've talked to the sheriff, because they ran in New Jersey, and I've talked to the sheriff on air who arrested them.
I mean, it's not...
I mean, that went on.
My only issue is...
Look, it's like a five-headed hydra.
And so I'm not saying one head of the Hyndra isn't guilty.
I'm just pointing out like you did with the USS Liberty, and I did that in one of my films, Terror Storm, because I interviewed the admirals who were involved, and the judge advocate generals.
I mean, I've interviewed them all.
Most of them are dead now.
Admiral Moore, you name it.
I've interviewed Admiral Geist and other admirals who were on the phone when McNamara said, "No, the president says you can't defend the ship." And then they say, "We don't care.
We're still going to defend the ship." And then the president comes on and says, "I want that GD ship going to the bottom." And he had taken control of the ship under national security previously and parked it
Yeah, I mean, I've got a whole chapter in my book I've got a separate chapter on the whole Liberty Affair,
alan hart
and I bring it to an end by saying that what the Liberty Affair shows us is that there is nothing Zionism won't do to its friends as well as its enemies to get its own way.
alex jones
Well, I mean, Israel admits that they bombed Jews out of Iraq and out of Spain, you know, in the 40s and 50s to make them go to Israel.
alan hart
But, Alex, can I just say why I think we both are passionate for the truth, but can I just explain very shortly why the truth has to be handled with care?
Because if it's not, it could provoke anti-Semitism.
Now, I deal with this by saying there is one key to understanding, and all of my Jewish friends who are anti-Zionist agree with me.
There is one key to understanding, and it's the difference between Judaism and Zionism.
Judaism is the religion of Jews, not the Jews, because not all Jews are religious.
Like Islam, like Christianity, it has at its core a set of moral values and ethical principles.
Zionism, as Jewish nationalism, is a colonial enterprise which founded a state for some Jews mainly by Zionist terrorism and ethnic cleansing.
Now, the point is this.
That means that Judaism and Zionism actually are two opposites.
Zionism conflates them so that it can accuse people like you and me, who are critical of Israel, of being anti-Semitic.
But I'm nearly finished on this explanation.
When you know the difference between Judaism and Zionism, you can understand, A, why it is perfectly possible to be passionately anti-Zionist, meaning anti-the colonial enterprise, without being in any way, shape, or form anti-Semitic, anti-Jew.
More importantly, you can understand why it's wrong to blame all Jews everywhere for the crimes of the few in Israel.
alex jones
Sure, but I just want to be specific on this whole subject.
To me, I don't even approach it psychologically from an issue of Jews or Germans or Chinese.
The Chinese government does horrible atrocities and takes political dissidents' organs.
What does that have to do with Chinese people?
Or there's an Italian mafia.
What does that have to do with Italians?
John Wayne Gacy, the serial killer, was a WASP, or a white guy.
I mean, what does that have to do with white people?
I mean, every major government I've studied...
The Russians have been caught countless times staging terror attacks.
The czars did it.
The communists did it.
I mean, this is just...
I believe what the Founding Fathers did.
Any big government tends towards corruption, like you said about the Arab states.
highly corrupt.
You know, the Saudi Arabians are constantly doing just unspeakably bad things.
And so, you know, to me, the media, like you said, wants to make it about anti-Semitism.
And we've caught the feds running all these white supremacist groups to go out and be inherently anti-Semitic to then poison the water from a real debate.
alan hart
Let me put it this way.
I think the real Yes!
Absolutely! Yes,
alex jones
sir, Alan Hart, in the time we've got with you, though, I want to have you back up soon about your amazing research and all the incredibly famous people you've interviewed, because, I mean, I love history and I want to get it from your perspective and also talk more about your three-volume book that's out, the third volume coming out soon, alanhart.net.
Is that the best website to give out?
alan hart
Yeah, but there's also my American publisher, www.claritypress.com.
alex jones
ClarityPress.com and we'll talk about the title of the book and more before you leave us.
And I'm going to keep you a little bit in the next hour with Bob Chapman because this time is just exploding past us.
But I want to digress now.
Regardless of the players involved in 9-11, and we know U.S., British, and Israeli intelligence are all merged at the hip, so all three groups know what really happened.
And there was a stand-down of our air defense.
Cheney was in control of it.
There were Israeli spies all over the place.
That's admitted.
This stinks to high heaven.
We know they blew the towers up.
So let's go back to that.
Because I just want to have the national debate about what is the true story of 9-11.
Because none of us are safe if that doesn't come out.
And we know governments have been caught staging events in the past to get us into war.
And we know about Operation Northwood.
So let's go back to Well, when they came to you, more details of this info, and then your self-censoring, because we know a lot of other people did that.
Go ahead.
alan hart
I may tell you, when I first took the matter up with my world-leading technical consultants, I must tell you that their very first response was to say, Alan, it's possible that the planes did bring down the building
because although the burning fuel was not enough of itself to create the heat to melt the steel, as the fire ravaged down and down and down through the buildings, consuming everything else, it may possibly have generated enough heat.
So that was their starting position, Alex.
But then when they got themselves and I gave them all the film and other visual evidence of what had happened, it was after their full studying of that that these world-leading experts, who I know and I trust, said, Alan, no, our first thought was wrong.
There is absolutely no question if the towers were brought down by controlled explosions from within.
So once that's established, and many of your own American experts have established that, there is just no getting away from it, Alex.
It is a conspiracy.
Peace. Thank you.
It is a conspiracy.
alex jones
Well, the bigger issue here is all these other engineers.
So you're there talking to them.
You can see them being blown up, the concrete being turned to dust, the beams being ejected 600 feet.
It's clearly happening, Building 7 not hit by a plane, a classical control demolition.
Why are these engineers And I guess thousands have gone public now, and architects and physicists, but why aren't more of them?
You know, any engineer who really looks at this knows the truth.
NIST has backed out of their last six reasons that Building 7 fell and the towers fell.
They lied and said the building was hollow and all these other things.
So, you know, why do people then just cowardly not come out and tell the truth?
alan hart
Alex, it's very simple.
If you look at the mainstream media, you and I, I think, would agree that it totally suppresses the truth, not only about 9-11, not only about many things, it totally suppresses the truth about the making and sustaining of conflict in the Middle East.
Now, why does it do this?
alex jones
All right, stay there.
We're going to come back and talk about that with our guest, Alan Hart.
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Well, we know this.
9-11's an inside job and they blew those buildings sky-high.
And all the major Western governments up to their eyeballs in knowledge of it.
And people inside government, it has the dual effect where people that are in the know get even more scared and self-censored.
And the general public buys into the lie and then they're ready to believe the next lie about WMDs or whatever's going on.
But when you have all of these, you know, these four or five big lobbies When they line up on an issue, and when it helps all of them, you better believe you're going to see a movement.
And it's just horrible.
But Alan Hart, two points.
Going back to these top engineers you're talking to, were they horrified after they saw the information A, and then B, Are you not seeing the massive awakening where people are just sick of self-censoring, and we are seeing everybody come out of the woodwork, just telling the truth now?
And I think the system is very afraid.
alan hart
Well, Alex, I think something very important is happening.
I mean, what I'm learning on this show All the polls show it.
alex jones
For the first time in history, both parties are universally hated.
alan hart
Well, the last time I saw a poll, I think Congress's rating was down to 21% and falling to 20%.
Now, that is very serious.
So maybe what we are witnessing is the beginning of a process in which people are beginning to wake up.
But what they've got to do, Ray, is to make their feelings known and say, up with this we are not putting.
But let me speculate to a nightmare scenario.
In Britain, we're heading for 3 million unemployed.
Now, it's calculated that if we pass that, and we will, there'll be rioting on the streets.
Look at America.
If the economy continues to go bad, and in my view it will, your economic situation is going to go worse.
If you go into next year, the economic situation gets worse.
You have a long, hot summer.
I believe you, too, will have rioting on the streets.
The problem is the system wants that.
That gives the system the opportunity to bring in martial law and buy-buy what passes for democracy.
alex jones
That's my fear.
I mean, we have the IMF World Bank documents that were leaked when Siklitz, the Nobel Prize winner, left in 2002.
The IMF calls it the IMF riot.
You're absolutely right.
And they're admittedly gearing up for it all over Europe, England, and the U.S. This has been a planned implosion, just like the Goldman Sachs documents show.
alan hart
Yeah, I mean, I think the truth is that almost all of our politicians loathe democracy, or what parties are a democracy, and typically like to shut it down.
alex jones
Well, we've seen Obama's people, Bush, uh, they're constantly saying, uh, what we saw, uh, the famous, uh, director, uh, came out, uh, Woody Allen just last week and said it'd be great if Obama was a dictator, we should just lock up all the people that disagree with him, and they're serious!
alan hart
But the name of the game, I think we're not disagreeing, Alex.
The name of the game is informing people to give them the possibility, uh, empowering them to make their democracy work.
alex jones
And I agree, but to make it work, we've got to be hardcore, like you are, and just tell it like it is.
You know, you go in and you got brain cancer and it's operable.
You don't tell them they got a sprained ankle.
alan hart
Right. Right.
It comes down, Ray, to what one feels about the potential of Americans.
And let me tell you this.
I've said it publicly before.
I have a love-hate relationship with America.
On one level, I think most Americans, generally speaking, are the most misinformed, under-informed, gullible people on Earth.
That's the bad news.
The good news is that deep down, I think they are the most idealistic.
And if they were properly informed and well-led...
I think they could not only turn their own country around, I think they could give the world the lead it needs.
Am I being naive for thinking that?
alex jones
No, you are spot on.
That's why we're brainwashed.
That's why we're dumbed down, is because they understand we've had the greatest liberty in history here, and it's a contagion to the elite.
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