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Um, uh, to do with, uh, what you were saying, like, how the, they, uh, put things in front of our face before they, uh, execute the attack.
Uh, like last year, I was watching Discovery and, um, it was, it was a show about, like, ice ages, right?
So they, they get to this thing where they have all these scientists talking about the ice age and how they're actually talking about how there's an ice age coming instead of global warming.
That's not the point.
They were working on these satellites, right, with these reflectors.
And they were saying that, um, with like four or five of these lights pointed at one spot on the ocean, um, they would be able to raise, uh, the global temperature enough to battle this ice age or whatever.
And, um, but what they would need to do is have an oil slick on the ocean surface in order to bounce this ray into our atmosphere to bring up the temperature.
Now the UN is saying they're worried about global freezing, and we're supposed to forget about all their fake global warming, and they're teaching school kids we must stabilize the climate.
The climate is always unstable.
I mean, they're even trying to blame volcanoes on global warming now.
I mean, I joked about that a few weeks ago about the Iceland volcano.
They're now in the news saying, oh yes, thawing glaciers reduced pressure on the volcano.
That has nothing to do with it.
And by the way, glaciers worldwide in the last three years have been getting bigger!
So, I mean, they say the Haitian earthquake was caused by global warming.
They say the Chilean earthquake was caused by it.
Because they know the public is kind of halfway paying attention.
And, oh, you better pay Al Gore.
But, meanwhile, Al Gore says he believes that the sea levels are going to rise in the next ten years and flood all the major cities.
He's bought two mansions on waterfront property.
It's just made-up fraud.
He got this big, demonic, fat, lying piece of trash that told us NAFTA and GATT was going to be the greatest thing since sliced bread.
And then he's up there saying, buy, pay him money.
And he will save you from raising water.
I mean, he's literally just a complete joke.
I appreciate your call.
Again, how did Napton Gatt turn out for you, folks?
I mean, I've heard so much good music, I'll have to go pull it up.
Is it on YouTube?
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Yeah, it's on YouTube, and you can look up, I think, April 28th, Bob sent you the email, the YouTube link.
But I wanted to, you know, if you ever want to use that song in front of your movies, free of charge, I just want to be part of the cause, and, you know... What's the name of this song on YouTube?
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Christopher C. Horner is our guest for the rest of the hour.
He serves as a senior fellow at CEI, Competitive Enterprise Institute.
He's an attorney in Washington, D.C.
Warner is represented at CEI as well as scientists and members of the U.S. House and Senate on matters of environmental policy in the federal courts, including the Supreme Court.
He has written on numerous topics and publications ranging from law reviews to legal and industrial trade journals to print and online opinion pages.
And as the author of the two bestselling books, Red Hot Lies, How Global Warming Alarmists Use Threats, Fraud and Deception to Keep You Misinformed, Global Warming, Greenpeace has repeatedly targeted Mr. Horner by stealing his garbage on a weekly basis, issuing press releases announcing with whom he dines, and including him in various other hysterical publications.
Of course, they're funded by big central banks.
They have a fleet bigger than major governments' fleets.
They want your property.
They want to guilt you into handing everything over to the elite.
His new book is Power Grab, How Obama's Green Policies Will Steal Your Freedom and Bankrupt America.
Again, new book, Power Grab, How Obama's Green Policies Will Steal Your Freedom and Bankrupt America.
My issue here is rhetoric cannot describe how bad they are.
I mean, you watch Audi commercials like Green Police, that's actually what they're doing in Europe and what they have planned here.
This has nothing to do with the environment.
It's a bunch of control freaks running your life, controlling every facet of it.
They know global warming's a fraud.
They've already moved on to other scaremongering.
And they're not going to stop.
And they've said, even if the Senate won't pass this legislation, they don't care.
They're going to have the executive branch implement it.
So, if they are successful, it's over.
And look at how they cowed and beat Republicans into submission, because this is what the establishment wants.
Look at how BP's been one of their biggest funders of global carbon taxes.
A new derivative scam.
So Christopher C. Horner, author of Power Grab, that just came out, CEI.org is the website.
Let's get into, since we had you on two or three months ago, what's happened with the power grab, the fake environmental movement, and what new heads the Hydra has sprouted, and where all this is going.
Okay, so about 11 months ago, the House passed this cap-and-trade bill.
It was about 1,300 pages long, and they Obviously did not read the bill.
They snuck in 300 more pages of buying votes at 3 a.m.
the morning of the vote.
And folks declared it dead in the Senate.
And then something strange happened.
People did get upset, and they had recently been talking about drill here, drill now, and we're sitting on the world's largest energy reserves, and the real national security issue is refusing to tap your domestic energy resources.
We won't pass an energy rationing scheme, right?
Well, about two and a half weeks ago, three weeks ago, Harry Reid, the Senate Majority Leader, openly said to Washington Papers, Politico, and I think The Hill, That he was going to suspend the committee process in the Senate in order to cramp cap-and-trade down, but they decided they wouldn't call it cap-and-trade.
Reid said, several people said things that are very important, there are four people, Harry Reid, John Kerry, Joe Lieberman, and Lindy Graham.
Harry Reid said, well, this would entail the jurisdiction of almost every Senate committee.
Now, pause and stop, why?
Because it impacts almost every aspect of your life, including the Senate Finance Committee, which writes tax law.
It's the biggest tax increase in our history, and so on.
Reid said, therefore, obviously the four Deers would just get confused, he's going to write the bill.
And he began bringing in constituencies, and that means not your listeners, by the way, it means even the chamber, and API, and green pressure groups.
And he asked them, what do you need in order to support this bill?
And he asked the Chamber of Commerce and the American Petroleum Institute, what do you need to not run those television ads?
Because both groups raised a lot of money to run ads educating voters on this energy tax, unless it gave them what they want.
And so far it appears they've probably got what they want, which is essentially a gas tax on top of the light switch tax to funnel money to projects.
Thirteen years ago this month, I was, as I've discussed with you, very briefly, I was the Director of Federal Government Relations for a company called Enron.
And my number one priority, I was told, after I took the job, was to get a global warming treaty and a domestic cap and trade scheme.
And the company they developed it with was BP, and they had set up this market with Goldman Sachs.
Look, I understand how it fits into the narrative today, but you have to understand, I was the crazy guy on the street corner muttering about this for about Six years before anybody... Oh, wait a second!
I got it!
It's called rent-seeking.
These businesses trying to make money the old-fashioned way by having their buddies in government agree to take some of their power in return for a guaranteed opposition to competition and a wealth transfer from you and me to them.
So they bought all these uneconomic industries like Enron had the world's largest windmill company they bought on the cheap.
It's pretty clear that, well, in the public record, that the Green Groups, actually, with whom I met, by the way, that same day, in the same room, They were groups like Union of Concerned Scientists and Natural Resources Defense Council.
They were Baptist and bootlegger coalitions.
The green groups after the BP, after the well exploded, the green groups were shrieking to the White House, don't you dare burn that oil off.
And they screamed about consequences of burning, igniting the oil before it got too well mixed.
Well, as I said actually on a TV show I think that night, or within a few days, you have to understand something.
I could be as irresponsible as a lot of people were about Bush and just say, look, the administration, which by the way was BP's favorite political candidate over 20 years ago, the administration was just taking orders from its Green Group buddies and they want this to be as bad as it can possibly be because the damage, while real, is temporary.
The tragedy was the 11 men who lost their lives.
But this is a White House that says never let a good crisis go to waste.
They even engineer crises like claiming a global catastrophe from global warming.
And the Greens, of course, have never made money hand over fist like they have.
And for those that don't know, and for those that don't know, if they would have ignited this within hours, there would be almost zero problem.
Almost all of it would have burned off at the source.
Carbon dioxide would have been put into the atmosphere, you know, much smaller than a volcano.
Would have literally had almost no effect if they would have done what the old-timers did and set that sucker on fire until they figured out a plan to cap it.
And now we know why 35 days later the White House has done everything they can to block this because now they're going to get their carbon taxes that Paul Volcker demands we must have to pay Goldman Sachs their bonuses.
Let me tell you, okay, so we know what BP actually did engineer this, and the Greens are biting them as you knew they would.
BP and Enron were in on this from the beginning.
Again, I was in the room.
There's no point denying it.
The Greens did tell the White House, don't burn it off.
We just know the White House said, don't burn it off.
It probably is a co-incidence, and they weren't taking their marching orders from the Greens.
But, we know BP's been pushing an agenda that John Kerry said, even after the spill.
Ironically, he said, I've been working with these companies, BP and Shell, to write this law.
He said this, it's again in the public domain, so Harry Reid said I'm going to suspend the committee process like with healthcare.
John Kerry said I'm not going to call this bill cap and trade because I don't know what cap and trade means.
Yes he does, and it has cap and trade in it.
He just said it's mean if you call it that because of course, there's a memo I talk about in Powergraph written by Stanley Greenberg who was Bill Clinton's pollster.
He conducted some polling, and he said to his clients, who are Democratic politicians, you have to do two things.
Stop saying cap-and-trade and global warming, and start calling it something else.
And then it might work.
Don't change your agenda, just call the agenda something else.
I begin by pointing out, we know it's not about the climate, so what's it about?
Well, it turns out it's about power.
It turns out that it is about They can't trust you with your various freedoms that they never thought they could trust you with anyway.
And I've got quotes in here that are out there that, for some reason, nobody's running with.
Carol Browner gave it.
She's the energy and climate czar who had a phony position, that position, created for her because she could never achieve Senate confirmation and she would cause great political havoc, of course, having been a commissioner for the Socialist International, if Obama tried to get her confirmed.
She was put into this phony position to lord over cabinet officials And she gave an interview to US News in March of last year in which she said...
It's their objective to get to the point where the electric utilities hold back power from you, so that you'll still be able to cool your home, just not as much as you would like.
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Well, the one thing that's never changed is their utopian vision, their dystopian yes-me, but this idea that they will organize society.
What changes is their vehicle.
What's the excuse?
What's the latest victim that has to be rescued from the horrors of individual liberty?
And it was, of course, the worker, and the worker threw off those shackles, so it became the environment, which can't speak back.
Wealthier is healthier.
Wealthier is cleaner.
They have to know this, but they really hate wealth.
It's just the excuse, the latest excuse.
Freedom brings wealth, so they attack your freedom.
How badly?
Well, alright, the President has given some speeches that in isolation just seem weird.
He said, of course, under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity prices would necessarily skyrocket.
He said he would use it to bankrupt industries he didn't like.
His quote was, coal, you know, natural gas, whatever the industries.
Then he admitted it would be passed on to the consumer, and he said, and this will also raise billions of dollars.
Well, in the book, I detail how I used FOIA to get Treasury documents that say, there was a memo written six days after Obama was elected, in which they said, he wants to do this, here's what we can do.
And under the justification paragraph, they wrote, revenues.
This will raise, quote, possibly up to several percentage points of GDP, parentheses, i.e., Uh, the equivalent of the corporate income tax rate.
Or corporate income tax.
The corporate income tax, among the highest in the world, raises $400 billion per year.
The biggest tax increase in our history, to pay off World War II, which was an expiring tax, it cost the dollars $107 billion per year.
So we're talking about a spectacular amount of money.
But they don't just want to steal your money, they want to steal your freedoms.
He gave another speech in which he said that you can't eat what you want, drive what you want, or put your thermostat where you want.
The specific quote was, we can't eat as much as we want, drive our SUVs, and keep our thermostats at 72 degrees at all times, and expect that other countries are just going to say, okay.
Well, I didn't ask, okay?
But B, what is the President of the United States doing obsessing about how much I can eat, what I can drive, and where I can put my thermostat?
They do believe that one way to skin this cat is through... Global governance is not the same as a global government, though the global governance crowd would of course love that.
I'm just saying, he's a big proponent of global governance.
What I'd like to do, if we can stay when I come back, is talk about the way they want to control your thermostat, and you're not going to believe the documents that someone slipped me.
But he, the Guardian in the UK, Old Red herself, ...reported that the Obama administration was briefing European diplomats before Copenhagen that failed... Thank goodness... Oh yeah, no, no, they're gonna tax you for any amount and then they say in peak times they're gonna control it.
Well, okay, well, they want to use these things called smart meters.
Smart meters put the meat on the bones of what Carol Browner said when she said, we want to get to a system whereby the utility holds back power from you.
Why would a utility hold back power from you?
They're in the business of selling you power.
Because there's physical scarcity, which this crowd is arranging, as I detail in the book, and because they've got a requirement that they hold back power from you.
So the state is going to use the utility, according to the energy czar, to decide, she said, you'll still be able to cool your home.
Just not as much as you would like, which means just as much as they would like.
Well, it turns out, the Assistant Secretary of Energy for Energy Efficiency, a woman who was Al Gore's CEO before she took this job, making $325,000 a year as a Green Pressure Group CEO.
She divested herself of utility stocks because of course the appearances would be terrible if she didn't.
But someone slipped me her financial disclosure documents and guess what?
She held on to a half million dollars in a smart meter company.
Assistant Secretary of Energy for Energy Efficiency, in charge of getting the smart meter mandate in, that Carol Browner says is the way, that you can't control your thermostat, the state will, and we've got a woman who held on to between $265,000 and $550,000 of smart meter company stock, in addition to another great good jobs company, her husband's.
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But Matt Ryan for years, who's one of the TV slash radio board ops and producers, he worked at Austin Energy.
And of course, he's talked about the meetings where they'd point out that the illegal aliens wouldn't pay their power bill.
The city just said, let them have free power.
I've talked to Austin cops.
They're ordered to let them go, DWI.
That's a separate issue, though.
But I walked out during the break and I said, well, the city didn't ask us here at our business.
They came and stuck the new smart thermostat on last year.
And in the brochure it said, well, since your thermostat was free, businesses don't have an option, you know, free, taxpayer paid for it, we may turn your heat down in the winter, or your cool, you know, up in the summer, if we're having problems supplying power.
Now that was the old Enron scam, where they got caught to create artificial scarcity, where they were showing congressmen and the state legislature fake computer trades on computers.
They were just making up the price, and their internal studies showed if we double or triple prices, or even turn power off, that creates the perception that it's scarce.
And now they're doing it with the water, with power.
This Green Movement is about raping you.
But I briefly wanted Matt Ryan here on air, I mean, plus we can dig up the Austin Energy contract, says it.
I mean, I'd read this, but he goes, no, you're absolutely correct.
These programmable thermostats are one of the green initiatives sponsored by Austin Energy.
You call them up.
They'll give you a free thermostat, a programmable thermostat.
It'll work for you 24-7 around the clock, except during what they call peak usage times, which
is a time period usually in the afternoon when they say okay well there's a lot of people turning their ACs on they can turn yours off and they will turn yours off for usually about 15 minutes during a day when they they feel that they're having peak usage and that's in the federal legislation to even control what what goes in air conditioners right just like your cell phone since 96 tracks you in real time they're designing the big brother grid but I want to tell you with this business we don't have a choice They are our lord.
I want to have you back and talk about this more in the future.
I want to go back to Christopher Horner, but thank you for coming in and telling us.
So Christopher Horner, here we are.
I mean, I'm already under these people's control, and if they can naked body scan my kids to fly, if they can control the temperature in my office, I mean, literally, this is worse than the Soviet Union.
What they're talking about is squeezing you at both ends.
They're trying to ration the physical supply, create physical scarcity where there should not be any.
Remember, the United States sits on the world's largest energy reserves.
We don't have physical scarcity that would lead to this sort of, in essence, micro-brown-out.
But you're going to get to the larger point of brownouts, because we're following the UK's path of saying, no coal, no nuclear, we'll just build offshore wind farms someday, and then you're going to see them obsessing about the fact that when they get to the Olympics, they're actually not going to have the electricity.
But what you've got here is, Browner is saying things like, okay, this is not just the smart meter that will tell us when you're using your energy.
What, I guess, that Kathy's always also invested in with this company Landis & Gear, a Swiss smart mirror company, half a million dollars worth of stock, and just wait until she succeeds in getting those mandated in one of the biggest markets in the world.
They're talking about also getting to the point, like Matt was discussing, whereby they can say, I'm sorry, you've been running your dishwasher too often, wrong time of day, closed washer, sorry.
Carol Browner sold it in this interview to U.S.
News as a savings to the consumer, and I just want your listeners to know they're saving a fortune in India right now, in Haiti, and all over the world by not using energy.
But we live in the richest country in the world, sitting on top of the world's largest energy resources, but that means we have freedom, and they don't like it.
Van Jones, the communist self-avowed communist radical, he said, this is a quote, also in the book, among many others, the green economy will start off as a small subset and we will push it and push it and push it until it becomes the engine for, wait for it, Transforming the whole society.
Yes, he said that.
It always comes down to this is the vehicle for doing to this terribly flawed transgressor of America that they have to fundamentally transform.
And then meanwhile, Enron, and of course you briefly worked for them for about a month and you quit and exposed it all on record and valiantly so, they wrote the cap-and-trade carbon tax fraud, literally made-off level.
Going back to California, they tried the same scam there, and in their memos it said, we turn their power off, then they perceive it's more valuable, they'll put up with a triple price increase.
Ha ha ha, we're raping these schmucks.
I mean, so you've got the big money, it's just not free market money, who wants this government monopoly.
I think that's the key to defeat these little green devils, is to expose that they could care less about the environment.
Yeah, the temperature after cabin tray will be, according to everybody, whatever it would have been.
So we know it's not about that.
It's an excuse.
And the point is, the President comes out there, and this is another quote, he said, some of America's biggest companies support this by way of saying, so it must be a good idea.
Of course, that's usually his position, right?
No one's ever asked publicly, okay, but why?
Why is GE, which has Enron's old windmills, which nobody wants unless you mandate and heavily subsidize them, Why is the gas... Did you know the gas industry is actually running these ads calling for more windmills?
Because more windmills simply mean more gas.
You can't really dial a coal plant up and down to meet the...
Oh yeah, they know the wind doesn't work, doesn't transfer the power.
Well, you're right about creating artificial scarcity.
The seeming paradox of it, and business is pushing the idea of scarcity, but you also pointed out why businesses can benefit from scarcity.
Now what I did in the book is I pointed out this is by no means, and it's obviously the world's second oldest profession, But this also has a very long history in the U.S., and there are left-wingers who point out that the history of the progressive movement was the corporate tie-ups to keep competition out, to lock in a nice livelihood for themselves with their buddies in government.
And this is absolutely reminiscent of that for reasons I go into.
And, again, it started with railroads and then various other industries.
We've now got it with something extremely important to your lives and your family's lives and our national security and your family's security.
That is energy.
They're seeking to script scarcity, dangerous scarcity, in the name of a boogeyman that keeps changing, and now it's national security.
For their long-held wish list of organizing society.
And there will be trade-offs, yes, involved, and your life will be very different.
And when they orchestrate collapse, on one level or another, it's true, they rush in with more state as the solution.
Now, the President is lecturing Spain to cut it out right now, because he doesn't want them to drag us down, be the next Greece, and drag us down with them, because he's got a fundamental transformation to impose here.
But last week, in a Spanish newspaper, La Gazeta, there was a full-paged Yeah, I saw that.
Their globalization, their command destruction, their neo-feudalism has been too good at destroying things and so it's blowing up in their face before they get all the vice grips in place.
I have to say that when the state controls power, the state controls an awful lot.
And what this agenda does is transfer basic energy use and production and transmission, all these decisions from individuals, producers and consumers to the state.
And when you do that, you are giving up an awful lot of your liberties.
Now, I married a European.
She's from a country where they have a joke, at least they're still laughing for now, that it's a good thing we don't have all the cars we pay for.
Where would we put them?
What they mean by that in Denmark is, Through the Special Assessment and the VAT, they have doubled the price of cars there, in order to force scarcity upon the public, because it's a wealthy country, and they would have all these cars.
And so what they did is they, in effect, doubled the price of a vehicle to force the population out of automobility.
Now, when you start letting go of automobility, pretty soon you'll find yourself letting go of control of every basic decision, like The temp, as you pointed out.
Now when you let go of things like this, please don't be surprised when you wake up one morning and there's an awful lot more that's just gone.
Well, there is a real push, and again, I was in the room in The Hague in November 2000 when Jacques Chirac gave his speech calling Kyoto the global warming treaty that covered 35 industrial titans like Iceland, Luxembourg, Belgium, Slovenia, Slovakia, but not China, India, Mexico, Brazil, and so on.
I was in the room with some members of Congress and a few other Americans who were the only ones surprised when Jacques Chirac, who at the time was the President of France, said Kyoto was the first component of an authentic global governance.
Jim Sensenbrenner is a Wisconsin Republican who marched outside and held an impromptu press conference, but I stood there watching the left-wing press swearing at him, the Guardian reporter was swearing bollocks at him, as Sensenbrenner said, if you want to keep us out of something, call it global governance.
Well, I said the Guardian noted that Obama's diplomats were telling EU diplomats there may be a delay on Kyoto 2 in the United States because he's considering something called a Congressional Executive Agreement.
That was, I heard you mention NAFTA before.
NAFTA is precedent.
It's never been tried, the constitutionality of this.
It did not get to this.
But the issue of Congress waiving Article 2, Section 2 ratification, advice and consent, the two-thirds ratification, NAFTA was a treaty between three countries that Congress just said is not a treaty.
And they granted something called Fast Track Authority, which is a suggestion of what should be in it, and a promise to give it an up or down, no amendment, no filibuster, 50 plus 1 vote in both houses.
Now, if you do this, and the administration apparently is telling Europeans, we may have to try this because we're going to call Kyoto 2 not a treaty, You're going to have a problem because it's then left up to the courts and you know how activist they've become.
But what you're talking about is you have one bite at the apple.
Don't trust the courts.
You saw campaign finance.
Oh, don't worry, the court will fix it.
Don't trust them.
What you have to do is block it at the granting of fast track for Kyoto 2.
They won't call it Kyoto 2.
They're going to call it Johannesburg because that's where the World Environment Summit is in 2012.
They're actually going to try to get Kyoto 2 according to Lefty advisors to Obama, like this fella Nigel Purvis, who's counseling him, just declared this next key global warming treaty not a treaty.
It's got all, it quacks, flies and does everything, oh and he's like a duck.
But if you get Congress to say it's not a treaty, and the only difference is it means no two-thirds ratification, well that's your one bite at the apple.
The courts aren't going to help you is my guess.
And you have a 50 plus 1 requirement and it would take You know, you see incumbents being thrown out, but I just don't know, given the way, you know, you didn't see the Democrats... So they're going to come at us with a violation of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, treason, like this article.
Right now, for example, this week, we're supposed to have a vote, just requires 51 or 50 votes, not 60, saying EPA does not have the authority to do this through the back door.
This, of course, came through the courts.
It was a 5-4 decision.
We lost.
I represented the skeptic scientists in this case.
The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in Massachusetts versus EPA, saying EPA has the authority, does not have to, but has the authority to treat exhalation as pollution.
Well, there's a resolution by Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, and she's saying EPA does not... Congress is allowed to vote veto major rules within 60 days.
And she's saying no.
The problem is it has 41 co-sponsors, 3 Democrats, and that means 3 Republicans have said no.
They're from the Northeast, to no surprise, Scott Brown, and the ladies from Maine.
Now, Scott Brown, during the campaign, said, climate change is, we all know this, what I don't want to do is something as big as what EPA is proposing, or cap and trade, without getting to the bottom of the scientific scandals.
Well, I assure you we've not gotten to the bottom of the scientific scandals.
I submitted a Freedom of Information Act request to the University of Virginia on Friday.
I'm not sure how far we'll get, but we will litigate it.
We're suing NASA probably this week for our own climate case.
We're pushing this.
But right now we've already got three Republicans in the Senate who have not co-sponsored a bill to say EPA will not do this to the back door.
Instead, the world's greatest deliberative body, why, we shall deliberate on what will be the biggest intervention in our economy and our history.
And you have three Republicans not just co-sponsoring this thing?
You need to shut down the business of the Senate if the administration tries to do this through the back door and three Republicans have not codified it.
I'm sure he troubled some by pointing some things out.
I was told by the Spanish green jobs professor, Dr. Calzada, in an email that ran Paul, in one of his acceptance speeches, pointed out that there's a new steel mill in Kentucky, the North American Stainless Plant, with 175 workers.
I write about this in my book, Power Grab, in which those steel workers are jobs that are sent from Spain because of cap and trade and green jobs schemes.
The CEO was very clear.
He said, you can make windmills out of steel, but you can't make steel using windmills.
I'm paraphrasing.
But Rand Paul pointed this out, and I don't think people in Washington like to hear the idea that the state is not responsible for economic growth.
Yeah, I mean, the grass grows, the sky is blue, the sun comes up in the morning because... because Barack Obama reads off a teleprompter.
Stay there.
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So you've got big mega-corporations in bed with government to create monopolies.
As John D. Rockefeller I said, competition is a sin.
And this will destroy our free market system that's made this nation so great.
It has nothing to do with the environment.
Chris, we were talking during the break.
You pled, you know, many times before the Supreme Court.
The arrogance level, though, I mean, I don't see Republicans opposing Elena Kagan, who is like Joe Stalin in drag or something, and then I was talking to you about what's happening with BP, and, you know, it just seems like it's a lawlessness, but give us your take on that in closing.
Well, what we said before going out last time was the idea to many elected officials that Washington is not responsible for economic growth is anathema here.
So somebody like Rand Paul, who's going to come up and say those things, Uh, it's going to be a troublemaker and isolated.
You've got companies like BP who choose.
Remember, their favorite politician in the last two decades was Barack Obama, a guy who swore to cause your listeners' energy prices to skyrocket.
BP had no problem with that.
Obama swore he had no problem with high gas prices.
He just said they shouldn't go up too fast for the obvious reason.
People will start calling for Uh, policies that will allow us greater access to the greatest energy reserves in the world.
So you've got a problem with these companies like BP that are a bit, look, they can have their public spats now, but it's not that much of a spat.
BP remains in bed mostly with the left, sometimes with the right, uh, in Washington-style right, because they, like Enron, lost the plot.
They began as an energy company and then they started to try to make money off of derivatives and windmills and solar panels and pushing paper and not making anything.
They tried to make money off of doing nothing.
Now, a couple of months after I left Enron in 97, there was an Oval Office meeting, August 4th, 1997, Sir John Brown of BP and Ken Lay from Enron, with the President of the United States and the Vice President Al Gore.
And on August 1st, 1997, a Friday, in preparation for the Monday Oval Office meeting, there was a briefing memo written for Ken Lay, which is available online at masterresource.org.
You can find it.
In it, they say, okay, the unanimous Senate, I mean, the context was, a week or so before, the Senate had unanimously said, don't go to Kyoto and do this.
So these two fellows, Ken Lay and John Brown of BP, go into the Oval Office, and they say, ignore that Senate.
You gotta go to Kyoto, and you gotta do it, and here's what it has to be.
And since, obviously, we know who won that one, there's a memo also available at Master Resource, and I discussed it in my book, from Ken Lay's Kyoto advisor from Kyoto, Five months later, saying this treaty is exactly what we've been lobbying for.
So the unanimous Senate gets ignored when they say, look, you know, we go along with a lot, but not this.
He was the test case, and now the folks in South Carolina aren't happy with him, and so he says he'll vote for it, but he won't be a co-sponsor.
Look, progress, I know, as Cap Weinberger said about detente, if this is progress, we can't afford much more progress, but you start setting some examples here.
When Democrats are running as anti-capitrators, as happened in the Pennsylvania race, in which they succeeded, when Scott Brown wins Massachusetts, saying in Cambridge, No, no, no.
You don't do this to get to the bottom of what stinks.
Of course, we don't know where he's going to vote on this thing.
You are turning a very big ship of statism trying to steal your liberties.
But read that book and listen to what they're saying.
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Dr. Paul Craig Roberts quit doing his twice a week column and said he wanted to take some time off, but I knew a fighter for liberty, I knew he wasn't going away.
So I called him up a few months ago and I said, look, you can take some time for yourself, you're not going anywhere.
Somebody that loves liberty can't control themselves.
And so it's good to have him, but he has cut back on what he's been doing, but it's great to have him with us and I was glad to get an email from him.
Pointing out, hey, look at how there's all this evidence that our government, now been declassified knowingly, many times has left POWs behind.
Not just in Vietnam, not just Korea, but World War II.
What does this say about the mindset of the elite?
And so he wanted to come on and talk about that.
We're always honored to have him.
But we'll cover about 20-30 minutes on that.
Then I want to pick his brain because he is the father of economics.
He is one of the top 10 living economists according to Forbes and other major publications.
He's won some of the biggest honors from the French, US, British government.
He is a best-selling author, former editor of the Wall Street Journal.
So I want to get into North Korea.
I ran with him.
I want to get into the economy.
I mean, they're openly talking about worldwide meltdown now all over the news.
And of course you talked about this years ago via the derivatives and everything.
So we're going to talk about it all with Dr. Paul Craig Roberts in the next hour.
So much is going on, so much is happening, but we're going to go to break in a few minutes, but get into this whole POW situation and your research on that.
It's Sidney Schoenberg, the Pulitzer Prize winning New York Times reporter and editor.
He has proven beyond all doubt and presents all the evidence that American prisoners of war were left behind in Vietnam.
So that's the scandal.
The second scandal is that every administration since Richard Nixon's has continued to cover up And the third scandal is that despite his high standing in journalism and all the prizes and the Pulitzer Prize and his high post at the New York Times, he was never allowed to write the story.
And so it only came out in an out-of-the-way publication a year or two ago, about two years ago.
Yes, I think that now that we have definite proof from a very credible source, Sidney Schoenberg, that the United States government conducted a conspiracy since the 1970s to hide the fact that they abandoned American prisons of war to the North Vietnamese This is now proven.
This might make Americans wonder if other so-called conspiracy theories are also true, such as the theory that 9-11 was an inside job or a false flag operation.
It might make people wonder if the Warren Commission's account of Kennedy's assassination was just another cover-up.
When we come back, let's go through this Pulitzer Prize winner's piece, recap it, go through the piece, and then let's expand into the mindset of an establishment why they would do such a thing.
We'll be right back with Dr. Paul Craig Roberts.
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You call it synchronicity, serendipity, I don't know, but back on Monday and Tuesday, I talked quite a bit about the fact that it was actually declassified.
That 20 plus thousand, 21 and a half thousand or so U.S.
troops that were in Eastern European Nazi-held POW camps and German camps that were grabbed by Stalin.
The U.S.
and England wanted to be buddies with Stalin.
They divided up Eastern Europe and he was a thug and kept them for intelligence purposes and they just let him keep them.
And a few years ago, that actually even came out in Russian newspapers.
You know, old Americans, World War II vets, 80-plus years old, still alive in Russia.
And it's been confirmed with Korea, it's been confirmed with Vietnam.
We've had the families on, they've had congressional hearings that the media doesn't cover.
They've had National Press Club meetings.
But then when I got an email a few days ago from Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, father of Reaganomics, former head of Policy Department of Treasury under Reagan, former Wall Street Journal editor, Pointing out that he was going to write an article dealing with the fact that if it's a Pulitzer Prize winning New York Times editor for years isn't allowed to publish in a mainstream publication his research that's ironclad that this is all confirmed.
I mean it's ridiculous how confirmed it is.
It's like confirming that Mount St.
Helens blew up in the early 1980s.
It's a fact, it happened.
Or that, you know, the first creature in space was a dog from Russia.
It's a fact.
And, you know, the angle... And, of course, Roberts wasn't listening to me.
He separately put two and two together, because we're all having these same understandings that if they'll leave our troops to die, or if they'll... It's like Doug Rocky I've had on.
He was the head of the DU program for more than a decade.
He wrote the handbooks for the Pentagon in the 80s.
They knew DU would kill anybody collectively that breathed it.
And they just, in the mid-90s, changed the rules and said it's now good for you, no problem, and the State Department says it's a conspiracy theory on their website if you say it's bad.
I mean, they absolutely know you breathe this, the particulate, the radiation, it's gonna kill you.
I mean, it's gonna, you know, may take a few years, but you're dead.
Now they just say it's good for you.
This shows you the mindset, and I liken it, and we're going to Dr. Roberts, but I want to make this point, to chess being invented 3,500 years ago in northern India and what's Iran today.
They debate who invented it, but it came from that area.
And in it, you have the gambit, the sacrifice of a pawn.
That's a good move early on in basic chess.
I'm not a good chess player, but I play some.
sacrificing a pawn and it's a special forces tactic in the books it's taught at West Point send in you know 20 guys first to go last to know they're gonna get wiped out but that's gonna bring in the enemy into the gorge that will then reveal their positions and you can then wipe out the larger force and the argument is you lose 20 men but you save thousands in the battle by losing the 20 men so that's why they stage 9/11 that's why they say so what 21,000 US troops, give them to Stalin.
That's why they say, you know, hundreds and hundreds of U.S.
troops, it was thousands, most of them dead.
You know, let them be slaves, let them be tortured to death for 30 years in Vietnam.
It's the gambit.
And that's the beginning of evil.
That's why special forces people, before they graduate, they are given For Delta Force level, they're given it one night to read the prints by Machiavelli and then to write a paper.
And if they say, I believe the end justifies the means, they go, you're the man we're looking for, you're now recruited.
If they say, no, I won't kill children, this is now an army manual declassified last year, what was leaked by WikiLeaks from 2004, where it talks about staging false flag terror attacks.
One of the favorites is to kill children, blame it on a foreign enemy.
Captains and above in black ops are now taught this, and the argument is, well we're fighting commies or we're fighting Muslims, they're going to kill more children if we don't kill a few, you know, for the overall good.
And that's kind of the straight razor, you know, statement in Apocalypse Now, where Colonel Kurtz is talking about what he's had to do to win.
And so this is the mindset of you.
Injustifies the means.
Now I'm going to shut up and have Dr. Paul Craig Roberts go over this two-year-old information.
The Nation Institute reported it.
McCain and the POW cover-up.
And this was written by a Pulitzer Prize winner, but completely a news blackout in the U.S.
Dr. Roberts, thanks for holding while I did that back story.
Well, let's first tell your listeners where they can read the account.
It's now, it came out yesterday in the American Conservative, and so you'll have an account by the publisher of the magazine, you'll have an account by Schrandberg of why he was unable to tell the story, and then you have the story itself and the And the evidence.
He presents all the evidence.
And then they have a few people discussing the story.
Now, it's also, I think, this morning, it was all put up on antiwar.com.
And I'm sure you'll have it up on your site.
So that people can see that what was branded a conspiracy theory for several decades By the government, by the media, by all the mainstream, the establishment, they got rid of the POW issue by calling it a conspiracy theory.
It's now been proven beyond all doubt that the conspiracy theory was true.
The POWs were abandoned and there was a cover-up by the United States government that continues to this day.
It's just like The cover-up of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty.
This was said to have been some kind of an accident, a mistaken identity of the ship, and that's been covered up ever since the 1960s.
So we do have government cover-ups, a government that commits great acts of evil.
I mean, what's more despicable than abandoning your own POWs?
And they could have got the POWs back.
All they had to do was to pay ransom.
The North Koreans held back half of the prisoners, about 600 of them, in order to collect reparations for all the bombing the Americans had done to North Vietnam.
And so they were willing to give the prisoners back if we would pay three or four billion dollars in ransom.
And of course, by that time, Nixon was too weak to deliver the money.
Watergate was consuming him.
And once a lie gets in place...
It can't be undone.
It wasn't possible for the next president to say, hey look, we can get, they do have our prisoners and we can get them back for a little bit of money.
So once a lie is in place, everyone ends up defending it.
Even the Reagan administration ended up defending the claim that all the prisoners were back.
So here we see a government that lies through its teeth about its prisoners that it abandoned and could have gotten back for very little money.
So why do we believe the government tells us the truth about anything?
And why do we think the media would possibly serve the people by delivering the truth when they prevented Schrandberg from ever publishing his account.
I mean, he had to sit on this account for years and years until finally it got out in some out-of-the-way place.
And now it's become news thanks to Ron Huntz, Huntz, the publisher of the American Conservative, who's making an issue out of it.
And, of course, you've made an issue out of it.
And so what I think might be hopeful about it is that it makes people see if the government will lie about this, they'll lie about 9-11.
They'll lie about Kennedy's assassination.
In fact, they lie about everything, don't they, Alex?
I mean, I had a congressman on more than ten years ago from Virginia who was upset.
About six years ago, I had a member of the Australian Parliament on who was upset.
It was in the Australian news, they were saying there's a secret UN database of all our kids' blood.
The government's been taking the blood since 1971, 72.
It's 1971, 72.
It was a worldwide program in Western countries.
And they put it in a database.
And I would have these people on and read the documents, and listeners wouldn't believe me.
Now it's all over the news.
Oh, guess what?
The Pentagon's got your blood if you're 38 years old or younger.
That's how criminal this group is.
And how this national security state basically does whatever they want, then imagine that, Dr. Roberts, for 38 years, from Australia to Canada, from England to the US, they take our blood to put it in a government database, and now they announce, guess what?
We're going to have a global DNA database and we already have your blood.
I mean, it's just everything is a conspiracy, basically.
Expanding on that briefly, I mean, your point is well taken, and it's central.
It's not just that they did this, it's the 30 years of cover-ups and not letting Pulitzer Prize winners ride on it, and now that story is as big as the POW story, that you have a giant group of people in media and government who would work together To leave a bunch of men to die?
And of course the same group, the same people are doing the same thing now.
They're leading us deeper into wars, deeper into confrontation with nuclear armed powers.
The evil is loose, as you said.
Evil is loose in the United States.
It's got an iron grip on the government.
And probably on government at most levels in most places.
So it is a very serious situation and it remains to be seen if the people wake up or enough of them wake up and if they do whether they have the capability of doing anything about it or whether they are just going to be pawns that are continued to be sacrificed so that a very small group of elites who control the government can achieve some agenda.
Well, sir, let's continue and talk about how big this story is and how important maybe go over some of the sections.
AnnieWar.com's probably got 15 articles about it and documents.
The Nation Institute has them.
The conservative, the American conservative has it.
We're getting it all up on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
Stay there, sir.
I'm glad you contacted us about this.
Thank you.
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Now, to get to your questions, interestingly enough, there were two American defense secretaries, James Schlesinger, who was actually one of my graduate professors in economics, and Melvin Laird.
Who both testified under oath to Congress that men were left behind.
So even when two defense secretaries, and of course Melvin Laird was the Secretary of Defense during the Nixon period when the Vietnam War was wound down, so he certainly would know, and Schlesinger came not long after.
So we have two defense secretaries who did testify to Congress that men were left behind, but Congress didn't want to hear it.
They didn't want to do anything about it.
And there are a number of defense secretaries, as Schrandberg shows, who come into office who just immediately take up the lie, because their notion is, it's my career, I'm serving my career, and I'm not going to go against whatever the line is. and I'm not going to go against whatever the line And who cares if men are still rotting and being used as slaves, which has been confirmed.
In fact, the United States government is the scum of the earth.
The worst people in the country are in the government.
They're not the criminals out there.
They're not even the terrorists.
The worst people are in the government.
And that is another reason, I think, that Strandberg's story is so explosive.
Because Americans don't want to come to grips with that.
It's too much of a demand on their emotional strength and their intellectual strength.
And so it's something that people want to keep under the covers.
I think the reason the lie got started was that, you know, the Washington Post was doing a job on Nixon with Watergate.
He was trying to wind down the war while Watergate was devouring him.
And so he just didn't have any clout.
He couldn't deliver the money to get the prisoners back.
And so he had to say, we had them all back.
The war's over and we have everybody back.
He couldn't say, Hey, the war's over and we've left all these people because he would be blamed, not the Washington Post, not those two reporters, Bernstein and Woodward, not the Congress.
He would be blamed and he was already in terrible hot water about Watergate.
So he said, we have everybody back.
Well, once the lies in place, How do you get the lie out of place?
Because by now everyone's committed to it.
The Congress is committed to it.
The media is committed to it.
Everyone is committed to the lie.
It's just like 9-11.
Look how much evidence has come out after the 9-11 commission report, which proves that the whole thing was totally different.
They tell you what the story is and then everyone commits and the average American says, I'm not going to believe I'm being lied to because if this is a lie, everything's a lie.
And once they've got you in, you know...
I guess by degrees, you become part of the evil, and now we're just a huge culture of lies.
Dr. Roberts, long segment coming up.
This was a short segment.
Continue breaking down this central point that you just made.
I mean, it's like getting your arm caught in a sausage machine.
It's just sucking us all in, and now we have to, you know, go along with every lie, because our government isn't bad.
And while we're on the subject of almost everything the government and the big corporations that control it says is a lie until we're just swimming in an ether of lies And then anyone who discovers we're being lied to, from the source documents, from the witnesses, is called a conspiracy theorist.
I want to bring up the fact that the Washington Post three days ago just came out in a headline about Saddam and a fake movie saying he was gay by the CIA, that they did make a video, a fake Bin Laden video.
What an incredible admission.
Or now they're suddenly everywhere admitting, okay, the troops helped grow the opium, because if we don't grow it, Al-Qaeda will get it.
So now they're just spinning everything but admitting everything.
So we'll talk to them about that, the economy.
And a lot more, but I'm really glad he's out there promoting the fact that, you know, this huge cover-up of the Pulitzer Prize winning, you know, report by a New York Times editor with all of the absolute proof, you gotta go read the reports, of the fact that they... I mean, this is total proof.
The government knowingly blocked it, knowingly shut it down, knowingly kept the public from knowing.
I mean, this is confirmed, just like Gulf of Tonkin or so many other things, Operation Ajax, you name it.
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Okay, speaking of material, you may be fully awake, audience.
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Now the time is ripe to educate people.
Before we get back into this story, Dr. Roberts, tell folks about your new book, because that is extremely informative.
That book explains how the elite destroyed the middle class jobs in order to further enrich themselves and how they have dismantled the ladders of upward mobility
Stopping the ability of people to rise in order to put themselves in permanent control at the top and the other 99% of the population in poverty at the bottom.
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Now, Alex, let's get back to the story because, you know, one of the things that people always say when they're confronted with evidence that the government has lied or something, they would say, well, if there had been a real conspiracy, somebody would have talked.
But of course, they always do talk.
As I said earlier, two United States Secretaries of Defense talked and said in sworn testimony that people were left behind.
Reagan's National Security Advisor talked.
A leader of a Delta team, which twice was organized to go rescue the prisoners, only to be called off both times, has talked.
All sorts of people have talked.
So it doesn't do any good to talk.
In the case of 9-11, we know, and have said so many times, there were over a hundred first responders who were in the towers.
Firemen, policemen, building maintenance people.
Well, Doc, as you say, I've interviewed police and firemen who we saw on the CNN video saying they're gonna blow it up, get it back.
Well, the point is it doesn't do any good if somebody talks because it remains a conspiracy theory.
Now, as for the cover-up, you know, obviously the Pentagon and the military are very interested in the cover-up because how many people would join up the military if they expected to have to fight if they knew the government would abandon them if they were captured?
I mean, what kind of morale would the Army have, and the Marines, for example, and the Special Forces?
Would they be all these gung-ho people out there if they were aware of the fact that if they get captured, they may simply be abandoned?
And that when the war's over, they won't be repatriated, they'll just be left in the enemy's hands.
So this is the reason for the cover-up, you see.
There are many reasons affecting all parties.
And what is also amazing is that the two chief celebrities who were prisoners of war, John McCain and John Kerry, Well, Kerry wasn't a prisoner of war, but he was controversial about Vietnam getting the Silver Star.
So we have these two, and they're both instrumental in the cover-up.
Both of them have done everything possible to prevent the truth from coming out.
And not only that, but to lock up all the documents that reveal the truth.
So, and McCain, of course, is notorious for browbeating all the witnesses, including the POW families.
And Kerry went along with changes in the law that simply put, locked away somewhere forever, all the documents that prove the prisoners were abandoned.
Okay, because there's a little bit of a hum in the background and it's just increased a little bit.
I don't want it to... some of it was drowning you out, but that's important info you're covering.
So we see the method of the control.
In fact, from some of the documents I've seen in research, this is a system of corruption.
They like to get the entire government, different power structures, involved in a huge cover-up, because then later it can also be used to blackmail.
And that's what special forces commanders and many others that we've talked to who've worked on this have said is that the North Vietnamese are blackmailing the federal government to this day because the federal government made that Exactly.
to not get our troops out because they decided, okay, we'll pull out of there.
We're done.
We don't want the North, you know, who's taken over the South to be able to use us as a blue chip against us.
We'll just call these troops expendable hardware.
And the communists are sitting there going, well, this is perfect.
And as we've talked about many times on your program, This was a line of the Bush-Cheney regime that, oh, we're going to take away all your civil liberties and destroy the Constitution in order to make you safe.
Terrorists!
And people just are gullible and they fall for it.
And so it's not really hard for government to pull off things like 9/11 because all it has to do is give some kind of explanation and people believe it.
They don't say, "Hey, the government did this." That's not their first thought.
It never enters their head.
It's always, oh, some tiny group of Muslims who can't even fly airplanes.
But, you know, perhaps, to repeat myself, the fact that this story is now getting out and getting some attention about the POWs, Because that really touches at the heart of American patriotism, doesn't it?
I mean, that really touches the flag wavers, the people who want to kill them over there before they come over here.
It really cuts to the very heart of the most conservative people, the people who are most willing to go to war to achieve whatever the government says.
If it turns out that the government has actually abandoned its own soldiers, Then it could possibly shake some of those people.
It could possibly cause more skepticism among the public and it could lead to the unraveling of other massive lies and conspiracies.
Well Dr. Paul Roberts, let me expand on that because from my research, and I mean it's on record this happened, There was over 20,000 US troops in German POW camps that were grabbed by the Russians.
And by then, Roosevelt had died, and Harry Truman said, Stalin's our ally, and basically we're not going to get in a fight with him.
They gave him half of Eastern Europe, they gave him half of Germany.
That's the thing that made And now documents have come out on this.
That's what caused Patton to have a complete conniption fit.
And so they killed him.
And so this has been a policy for a while that troops are just expendable animals, as Henry Kissinger said.
And so this goes back even to the greatest generation.
And I would challenge all these Pulitzer Prize winning people to go look into that because that's hidden in plain view as well.
Well, that's why you've got to have the republic where the minority as well as the majority is protected.
And I've done a general research of history.
I don't claim to be a historian, but I read history books almost every day as my entertainment.
That's how I actually got informed as an adolescent and a teenager was because I happened to pick up history as a form of entertainment, not knowing I was educating myself on the way the world works.
But really studying our founding fathers, they weren't perfect, but there was Western expansion.
They wanted to be left alone by the bigger mafia, the crown, to build their own little systems.
And so they created a system to restrain the avarice of King Rats, of the strong men.
And that's why this conversation.
This country produced half the world's wealth, only 4% of the population.
So one of the few times in history the flower of the Renaissance, and now watching that being drugged down and being used as the engine of world tyranny, it's very frustrating.
But if we can just keep making people aware that every American government since Nixon has covered up the abandonment of American prisoners of war.
And, you know, we have this definitely proved in the case of Vietnam and may well be proved in the case of the World War II prisoners. - Yes.
This should help bring the sort of most gullible flag-waving patrons to some realization that the government isn't trustworthy and it doesn't look after anyone's interest, not even the soldiers that are out there Giving up their lives and limbs.
They ask the troops to torture, they ask them to execute people in Afghanistan illegally, which then corrupts them.
And then every time it comes out, like Abu Ghraib in Iraq, they then prosecute the people who on record were following the White House memos and orders.
So it's not just that you'll be left behind, it's that you'll be used up and then scapegoated later because there's no honor among these thieves that run the system.
We see Hitler killing his brown shirts that brought him to power.
We see things that happen in every society.
It's like a tropism.
It's a pathology in corrupt elites that they Their greatest glee is hanging their own attack dogs out to dry.
Because if I was one of these evil people, but I guess I'm not evil so I can't understand it, I would at least defend my henchmen and my servants to have that servant group, my praetorian.
But no, they treat their praetorian like toilet paper.
Because they learned from the Romans that the praetorian can take over the ruler.
So Stalin ends up killing his own heads of his secret police and his own colleagues in the Politburo because they know that no one has any integrity or morality and that they're all a fair game for one another.
So whoever strikes first and gets rid of the others is the survivor.
And that's how the system ends up eating itself.
But of course, we don't really care if the evil people eat each other up.
What we're worried about is how they're destroying the rest of us who are not among their ranks.
And this is the fact that the American people need to wake up to and that you keep telling them about every day.
I mean, I've seen your transformation and research the last five, six years we've been talking to you, from saying they're just a bunch of nuts, a bunch of crooks, they don't know what they're doing, to saying, no, this is clearly by design, because all the evidence shows it is.
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That's what Fletcher Prouty did between the Pentagon and the CIA.
Key person on what's happening in North Korea and Iran.
Joining us for the last 52 minutes of the next hour.
Doc, for people watching on PrisonPlanet.tv, I'm gonna give them a document cam shot of this.
For radio listeners, the headline is, CIA Unit's Wacky Idea Depicts Saddam Hussein as Gay.
And it's spy talk, Jeff Stein, you know, a little propagandist.
But in the seventh paragraph, They just let it slip out.
The agency actually did make a video purporting to show Osama Bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquest with boys.
One of the former CIA officers recalled chuckling at the memory.
The actors were drawn from some of the darker-skinned employees, he said.
Now, I asked Dr. Roberts during the break, because I knew the answer, but I wanted to get his take, just to see if he concurred.
Why are they doing this, Doc?
Why are they admitting they're growing opium in Afghanistan and have our troops on TV saying they do it?
Why are they admitting, saying that they killed the same Al-Qaeda leader 14, 15 times, never retract the last time they killed him?
Why are they now just admitting the bin Laden tapes are fake?
Well, I think, Alex, what they're doing, they're showing us that they have immunity, that they can do whatever they want, they can do it openly, and they can lie to us openly, and they can tell us that they commit crimes, and yet they don't suffer any consequences.
I think they're getting us accustomed and used to the fact that they can do whatever they want and even admit it!
And that we just have to sort of not notice and accept the fact that they are unaccountable and can do whatever they want.
So I, you know, it just makes you accept the culture of lies and it makes the people realize that they're powerless.
Here's a government that lies to us and then admits it lies to us and then goes on and lies to us some more and then admits it some more.
And it's just kind of a way of showing the people that they don't count.
There was a city employee, John Villarreal, who went to Huntsville for three years.
And I confirmed this city employee was stealing money and trying to shut down AXS TV four years ago, five years ago now.
So I secretly recorded him, put private investigators on him, because that's where I started out.
I wasn't doing a show there anymore, but I wanted to keep it alive.
And he came to me I didn't have a camera rolling.
I was coming out of the bathroom at the telecommunications commission downtown.
He was waiting for me in the hall and I had my camera guy inside for the commission and he walked over and he shoved me in the chest.
And he said, you bet I stole the money and I'm gonna kill you and you're never gonna stop me.
And I said, that's a threat.
I'm gonna send your ass to prison.
Excuse my French, folks.
And I did send him to prison.
So it's also kind of a bravado they do, like, yeah, we made the fake tapes.
Yeah, we did it all.
So what?
So I don't think they're invincible and there is a wake-up call happening, but I'm afraid they're gonna start wars, Dr. Roberts, as the smokescreen for what they're doing.
Yeah, they looted us two years ago, and now they're looting Europe, and they're just like a group of carrion crows that fly around eating the flesh off our bones.
What's happening on the Korean Peninsula, which could lead to nuclear war.
I mean, that's all over the headlines.
Israel's saying they may go into Iran sooner rather than later.
That's back on the front burner.
You know, is there a Fox Fallon to stop it?
What will Admiral Mullen do?
You've got this global financial meltdown happening.
You notice world wars always start during a major global meltdown.
There's a method to this madness.
I also want to ask him later about CIA units' wacky idea to pick Saddam as gay.
That's not the issue.
Buried in the Washington Post article, they quote the CIA officers as Producing fake Bin Laden videos.
Now people have looked at the video of the fat Bin Laden and admitted it's fake.
They've had linguists listen to it.
It's not him, not the dialect.
They've done voice print.
These tapes are basically all fake or old tapes of him re-edited.
I want to ask Ray McGovern about that.
We're going to get into suddenly New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, Fox News, Geraldo Rivera with the Marine Corps commander.
We're here helping the Afghans grow the opium.
We have to or al-Qaeda will get the opium.
I mean, folks, they're really coming out in the open.
Yeah, we put out fake Bin Laden tapes.
Yeah, we're growing the smack.
Yeah, yeah, we left the POWs.
Pulitzer Prize winning reports are now getting a lot of news on that front.
So we'll talk about it all.
Ray McGovern was in Vietnam, by the way.
So we're going to cover it all in the next hour with him today.
Ray McGovern is an activist who writes and lectures all over the country.
He's co-founder of Veterans Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, and we really appreciate him joining us.
He was one of the chief CIA briefers for Reagan and Bush Sr., and that's a key position in a focal point position where you have Pentagon liaison to CIA, you have CIA liaison to White House.
These focal officers like Fletcher Prouty and the Secret Team, again, have unique perspective on wide-ranging analysis and how it ties in, not just specialists.
So they can draw on all the specialists, and so that's why it's such an important lens to have them on with us.
So I've thrown out there, sir, what I want to cover with you in the next 50 minutes.
You've got the floor with what, of that cornucopia, that you think is most important in your breakdown on what we're facing.
First, just to make sure the record is correct, I don't want to pull a boom and fall from Connecticut here.
I didn't serve actually in Vietnam.
I was an army infantry intelligence officer from 62 to 64 before Vietnam really started.
And while I was going on, I was the principal analyst at the CIA for Soviet policy toward Vietnam.
So I learned quite a bit about it, but I never set foot in the country.
With respect to what's going on here, the most important thing that's happening today is that David Obie, Chair of Appropriations in the House, is letting some lipstick go on the $33 billion appropriation for escalating war in Afghanistan.
And that lipstick is $23 billion for teachers so that they don't lose their jobs.
Obi knows better.
What he's done here is bowed to the Washington establishment that want to continue this war.
It looks very much as though what he will report out of his committee this evening is a bill that includes $23 billion for teachers to keep the schools going and $33 billion for Afghanistan to keep that feckless war going and more and more people being killed.
It's just really, I was a former admirer of David Obie, and so I wrote him a memorandum that has appeared already on AfterDowningStreet.com.
I guess it's now called WarIsACrime.org.
And you can see that he's being completely disingenuous, because as recently as two months ago, he told a TV interviewer that this Afghanistan adventure, it's a fool's errand.
But if we're going to do it, we have to pay for it.
You know, we have to fully fund it.
Now, what kind of logic does that make, Alex?
It's a fool's errand, but if we're going to do it, we've got to fund it.
Well, Ryan McGovern, let me throw this out at you, and then you can expand on your concern with what's happening in Afghanistan, expanding into Pakistan.
But in layman's terms, I'm somebody who sits there and studies it for years, and so I want your perspective, and correct me if I'm wrong, you've got all these pipelines going through there, trillions in the aggregate of oil, hundreds of billions in no-bid contract black holes, so the defense lobby likes it, the oil lobby likes it, Israel likes it because that gets the U.S.
more firmly burrowed into the Middle East and Central Asia, so that lobby likes it.
But more importantly, 500 billion a year, 91% now, it was a lot lower, of the opium pouring out into Russia, into Asia, kind of a replay of the Boxer Rebellion, part two, and now our troops are admittedly over there, quote, protecting the poppy fields, and so I think you've got at least the contractors that's coming out, that's what Sybil Edmonds said pre-911, shipping the opium into Turkey, you name it, and so it's really about Well, that's part of it, Alex, to be sure.
The other part is a more kind of geopolitical adventure here.
well, we're really there because Black Ops likes $500 billion.
The other part is a more kind of geopolitical adventure here.
Imperialism is not dead.
If you look at Afghanistan, you'll see that it's strategically located in the same neighborhood as China, as Iran, as Russia, really, Turkey, Iraq.
It's right there in the middle of things.
And so the way the empire looks at things is, well, we've got to be in there firstest with the mostest.
Even if it's mostly an attempt to deny the Chinese or the Russians or the Indians or whomever from getting in there before we were.
Now, what makes Afghanistan strategic?
Well, one of the things that makes it strategic is that it lies directly beneath a country called Turkmenistan, which used to be part of the Soviet Union, and Turkmenistan has in it Natural gas deposits worth all the oil under the sands of Iraq.
Now, the problem is, Chevron's in there, a lot of the oil companies are in there, natural gas companies, but you can't get it here from there, okay?
You gotta do a pipeline, and you can't have that pipeline go through Russia, you have to have it go south, and guess what?
The next country is Afghanistan, and then Pakistan, and then a little slice of India, and at the terminal of this projected pipeline, all the studies were done and was ready to go, guess what?
Enron was supposed to be the person marketing that natural gas, so the whole thing is as corrupt as can be.
The Taliban visited Houston, Texas when Governor George Bush expressed interest in what was going on there with this pipeline.
Our ambassador to Afghanistan and later to Iraq, Khalid Zard, was one of the people involved in this, and so was Karzai.
The whole ball of wax involves the strategic location and what needs to happen here, Alex, in my view, is pretty simple.
There's a finite amount of oil.
There's a finite amount of natural gas in this world.
Now, if we're going to try to seize it all or seize control of it, then, you know, Iraq can be looked on as simply the first resource war of the 21st century.
What we have to do is what my four-year-old grandson learns in nursery school.
I went up and I asked his teacher, what do you expect to teach these kids?
And she said, oh, that's simple.
We teach them that they have to learn to share.
a certain amount of toys on the table they have to learn to share because there's a finite amount of things.
And I said, wow, there it is.
Cheney, Bush, even now Obama.
They never went to this nursery school for sure.
What has to happen is we get together with the Chinese, the Indians, and other people who need that oil and gas, figure out how to share it.
Well, that was a company called BP, actually, which I think has been in the news lately.
You get a corrupt a enterprise like British Petroleum, which controlled all the oil in Iran prior to the revolution in 1953.
And if you let them persuade you to overthrow the governments there, then as night follows the day, they will be filled with the uncontrollable hubris that they've demonstrated now in the Gulf of Mexico.
And the people of the world, the simple people like you and me, Alex, have a real, real problem.
He was asked just a half hour ago at his press conference, you know, do you feel a little funny about that decision you made two weeks before the oil blowup in the Gulf when you said that, yeah, we have to drill offshore and these companies, you know, have reduced the dangers greatly.
Well, I still think we have to drill offshore, but my mistake was taking the word of the companies.
Well, for Pete's sake, of course they take the word of the companies.
Look at the people that they had in the Interior Department, people who are still there, taking bribes and everything else from the oil companies.
The system is corrupt.
What Mama should have done is come in, got rid of all those people, given them jobs in the library if you couldn't fire them, and get some real, real control over these precious resources, despite the avarice and the desire of people like BP to control this important resource.
Let's come back and get your breakdown of where you see Afghanistan and Pakistan going.
And then to the West, what your intel is from all your sources.
Is it green light to go into Iran?
Who will hit U.S. operation with Israel?
Israel goes it alone.
We'll talk about that and a lot more, plus the North Korea situation.
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All I see is headlines everywhere about possible nuclear war and shelling Seoul and the disputed areas with the ships and China's in Bloomberg saying we may shield North Korea and the Pentagon saying they're ready for war.
The war was never terminated.
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Going back to Ray McGovern, this is a short segment, long segment coming up.
When I interrupted you earlier with some other questions about why they're there, where do you see Afghanistan going?
I mean, two weeks ago, they said a thousand drones are being dispatched for Pakistan and Afghanistan and that now they don't have to identify somebody before they kill them.
Just if you look like you're a terrorist, kind of like those kids in Baghdad in the minivan look like terrorists and reporters with cameras look like terrorists.
I mean, this sounds like an incredible escalation.
Well, funny you should mention that, Alex, because I was thinking of this wonderful new airplane, aircraft, that had been developed around then.
It was called a B-52.
And, you know, that was going to solve all our problems in Vietnam.
What we're going to do is bomb the hell out of the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
And LBJ came to us, intelligence types, and said that these blue suited generals are telling me this will do it.
What do you think?
Now, we suppressed the laugh.
You know, having known about the effect of aircraft in World War II, and knowing that it simply increases the resistance of populations like the Vietnamese, and we waited two days and then we gave them an estimate.
We used to do national intelligence estimates, and now they're not done very much anymore.
And we told the president, look, Mr. President, Ho Chi Minh is not the kind of person who's going to give up under how many B-52s or how heavy the bombs they drop.
And besides, Mr. President, you should be aware that the Ho Chi Minh Trail doesn't look anything like, ooh, I-81 or I-95 or the George Washington Memorial Parkway.
You can't even see it from the air in many respects.
It's about 181 trails, Mr. President.
Ain't no way that B-52s are going to do the job.
Now, we were right, of course, but the corollary there is the President doesn't have to heed intelligence.
He just didn't want to lose a war, and so he said, well, let's try these blue-suited guys.
You know, they might be right, and so he tried it, and we know the answer.
Now, similarly, here we are over in Afghanistan.
We have this new weapon, which most people don't realize, Alex, and I knew about this when it was being developed.
It was developed for a specific purpose, and that purpose only, and that was to give us a hovering capability where we could monitor developments on the ground more than two times a day.
Two times a day being when the satellites would pass over these areas, okay?
Now, we got this thing developed.
It worked beautifully, and then it was shown to some general in the Pentagon, and he said, I want to see the tank.
I want to destroy the tank.
Put some missiles on that bird.
Therefore, you get predators, you get reapers with hellfire missiles, and you get an awful lot of disenchantment and hostility out of the people in Pakistan in particular that are being bombed to hell by these things.
That's right at a primitive level having like Terminator machines out of the sky bombing you and it's literally 22 year old zit face kids in trailers thousands of miles away in a video game set up and go ahead you got a wedding we think Well, some guy's got a gun in there.
Everybody's got guns in those countries.
I mean, it's a tribal, you know, red-blooded type area.
And then they, you know, they kill a hundred innocent people.
Now you've created a thousand enemies because their entire family and every cousin they've got who may have loved America back in the 80s, they're ready to kill.
They're ready to trade their life to kill Americans.
And, you know, people have asked me, these Hellfire missiles, are they accurate?
And I say, well, yeah, they are.
They're extremely accurate.
They're more accurate than anything we've had up until now.
But the question is, how do you identify the targets?
Now, you know, you can really tell what a militant is from 30,000 feet, can't you?
Give me a break.
You can really find out who the Taliban and the al-Qaeda types are by asking their neighbors who have these, asking people's neighbors who have unsatisfied grudges against them.
The targets are the name of the game, and if you get targets, From people who have grudges or from 22-year-olds looking from 30,000 feet up, you've got a real problem.
What really tells, what I find really telling, Alex, is these Reapers and these Predators, interesting the labels they give these aircraft, they're controlled by these young NCOs out at Creech Air Force Base near Las Vegas.
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The chaplains out there at Creech Air Force Base, they're working overtime.
Because some of these young fellows have a conscience.
They do their work during the day.
They go home and have dinner with their families and they think, hmm, the wife says, well, we'll have to have things go at work today.
They can't quite say, well, we killed, you know, we shot Hellfire missiles at 30 groups and we're not real sure.
So, long story short, these chaplains are actually being visited regularly by these poor NCOs who are ordered to do this kind of thing and have it on their conscience, to their credit.
The other guys, now the other guys are the ones in Langley, Virginia, who are working for the CIA.
They're the ones that have the joysticks there, and they're the ones that fly over Pakistan.
Why?
Well, because we're literally, or at least technically not at war with Pakistan, so it has to be the CIA.
It can't be the Air Force.
Well, it's the same sort of thing.
People who identify these targets, either from people who may have grievances against this particular village or people who think they see militants, whatever they look like, as distinguished from wedding parties, from 30,000 as distinguished from wedding parties, from 30,000 feet.
So, you know, the whole thing is an indication of the lack of leadership in the military of our country, as well as the political side, because you can't win a war this way.
All you can do is alienate the affections of people.
And what I keep telling people is that in Pakistan, if you take the population of Pakistan, 165, 170 million, okay?
That's 40 million more.
And the population of Afghanistan, Iran, and Iraq put together.
Besides, of course, Pakistan has nuclear weapons.
Now, which, I would ask you, which country should be the most important not to alienate the population in?
Well, sir, we've seen Pakistani leaders, and we've got an article up on InfoWars.com that's got the newscast and even ABC News, with Pakistani leaders saying, look, your government is running a lot of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, and they're using it to destabilize our country, and you know, and that's what Hamid Ghul, who I
I was bizarrely contacted by a year and a half ago, and he came on this show, and it made national news when he did, and he said that they're killing these tribal groups to actually get them up in arms, and that's what Gerald Salenta, the Trends Forecaster, says.
He says, look, the U.S.
government isn't going to have to stage terror attacks as a pretext to get the American people to give their liberty up.
You kill enough Pakistanis who are tribal, they're going to come over here and they're going to blow stuff up.
You know, when Bush said we have to kill them over there before they come here, well, you know, that was ridiculous in the extreme.
What we need to do is figure out what's really going on in those countries, why they hate us.
You know, it ain't because of our democracy or our freedom.
Now, with respect to the Pakistanis, You can see U.S.
high-level pronouncements say, we're working on the Pakistanis to show them, to demonstrate that their greatest threat is not from India, no, no, it's from these insurgents, these militants, these people that are in the tribal areas, right?
Well, give me a break.
There's no kind of rhetoric or logic that is going to persuade the Pakistanis that their main enemy isn't India.
Of course it is.
And so why do they keep feeding the Taliban?
Why do they keep making it difficult for the U.S.
to end the job there?
Because they see an advantage in keeping the pot boiling in Afghanistan.
They don't want an Indian-dominated government in Afghanistan.
Afghanistan.
They want to keep the pot boiling.
And so all these pronouncements about the U.S., you know, we're going to probably persuade them.
Well, we're going to persuade them that their strategic interest is not in India, but in the East.
Give me a break.
We're never going to persuade them of that.
And so this thing will just keep going and going.
And the worst news, of course, is that our congressional people, even the good ones like Dave Obe, have now caved again.
And it looks like there will be an escalation to the tune of $33 billion, and that will buy many more months of killing and war.
Well, it's a letter to David Obie, who's the head of appropriations.
It's a memo that says, look, you know, you called Afghanistan a fool's errand.
And then you said, Yeah, but we have to fund it.
That doesn't make any logical sense, Dave.
What's really going on here, and what's really going on here is he's out of there in January, he wants to not alienate the affections of the Washington establishment, and he's letting go to the House.
A bill that will include enough lipstick, namely the $23 billion for teachers, so that the $33 billion for Afghanistan war will go through.
That is unconscionable.
He knows better than that.
And he can call me an idiot liberal, or that's what he calls some of my friends, but what I'm telling him is that he's in terrible disappointment because he should have stood his ground and not confessed to being quote, bone tired.
Well, I asked Khalid Zard, our former ambassador in Afghanistan, he's actually an Afghan.
I asked him at a RAND conference two months ago, I said, you know, you don't say much about the oil pipeline anymore or the natural gas pipeline to Afghanistan.
What does that stand?
You were in on that from the beginning.
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And he thought for a second and he said, Well, you know, with all the violence and all the fighting there along the pipeline route, we can't possibly build it right now.
I wasn't allowed a follow-up, but my follow-up was going to be, oh, so that's why we're there, to put down the violence, to get the Taliban out of there, and then clear a path for the oil and gas pipeline.
Is that it, Ambassador Khalilzad?
So, you know, it's a strategic sort of thing, where the U.S.
will not act in any other way than as an empire, and you need to have a little bit of humility, because we're not going to be able to call the shots in that part of Well, here's my next question.
I mean, as you know, you've studied it more than most out there.
Nobody's ever been able to successfully continually conquer these people.
I mean, can you just briefly sum up in maybe two minutes the mindset of these tribal groups, these Pashtuns and others, in Afghanistan and in areas of Pakistan?
Because from my layman research and what every other analyst going back 400 years, people who fought there, have said is, the more you kill them, the more they fight.
just like Americans used to be.
I mean, what happened with the British here?
I mean, that's what any red-blooded group is going to do.
They're not going to stop fighting.
They're not drinking fluoride and watching I Love Lucy.
Well, I'd rather be, you know, back in 1776, I sure would rather have been an insurgent rather than a cooperator with the Tories.
In a word, there are these strange people in Afghanistan.
They're in tribes mostly, and they have this strange resistance to invaders coming into their country.
And they have the benefit of these huge mountains and very vulnerable valleys, and so going back 2,500 years, Alex, to Alexander the Great, Who is the first of about seven big countries trying to conquer Afghanistan.
They've been able to, the tribal leaders have been able to block that.
And what I tell people is, you know why they call Alexander the Great?
Well, they call him the Great because he was sensible enough to look at the height of those mountains, to look at the casualties he was already taking on his flanks from these, quote, And turn around and say, this wasn't a good idea, I'm going back to Asia Minor where I can outlast all this.
That's what made him great.
From him, since him, you have the Indians, you have the Persians, you have the Mongolians under Genghis Khan, you have the British, you have the Russians, and now the Americans are going to succeed where all those didn't?
Well, I'm hopeful that the American people, you know, if they listen to people like us, finally, I think that I have some basic faith in the American people.
They're good sense, and I think there's a limit to what they will tolerate.
The big challenge, of course, Alex, and the reason I come on your show and applaud what you're doing is that you're one of the few people that tell it like it is.
You're not under the fawning corporate media, and that's what we need.
Well, again, for those who just joined us, I'm not heaping laurels on you, sir, but people need to know you've been right.
A full year and a half before it came out with Cy Hirsch and New Yorker Magazine, it was confirmed that Cheney wanted to paint up patrol boats blue and have Navy SEALs attack our own ships, and that was confirmed.
Bush, of all people, said, no, we're not doing that.
But it just shows the mental level.
You came on air and said, well, if I was Cheney and Bush, they'll probably paint up some ships like Iranians.
This is on record on this show and attack our ships.
And later I said, did you have inside intel?
You just said, no, that's how these people work.
And now I want to shift gears and ask the difference between Cheney and Bush and Obama.
It's now come out.
And I have it here in my stack.
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Cheney had gotten his way.
We would have gone to war with Russia.
And it's basically admitted in Ron Asmus' new book, who was inside these meetings, that NATO was part of it.
They launched the attack.
Uh, you know, uh, back, uh, you know, through Georgia, against South Ossetia on 888, and that Cheney wanted to go ahead and have nuclear war.
I mean, that, that really shows these are completely unstable people, uh, like, like, you know, Curtis LeMay or somebody.
And, and so, that mindset, has that carried over into Obama?
Because when I see him out there, at least at some levels, supporting Israel and Netanyahu, saying they may hit Iran, can, can, can you speak to, you know, the mindset in the Pentagon?
Is any of this Cheney stuff left there?
Versus what's going on in the White House now, and then how that posture, the posture you believe from your research is there, how that's going to affect what goes on in Iran and now North Korea.
It's the one that the President has most difficulty with because the pressure from what is called the Likud Lobby, other people call it the Israel Lobby, is immense.
And that's been demonstrated recently by a whole string of events.
Dennis Blair, a former four-star admiral who headed up the national intelligence setup in our country, was canned last week.
Why?
Well, there were a bunch of misadventures with not catching potential terrorists, but the basic reason, in my view, that he was canned was that he had the temerity, 15 months ago, to appoint a person to be the chief analyst in our government, the chief intelligence analyst, a person named Chas Freeman,
Who made the very bad mistake of saying publicly that he thought Palestinians also had rights as human beings in addition to Israelis.
Now, what happened was, he was appointed by Dennis Blair.
This is not a cabinet appointment.
This is within his own little purview, head of the National Intelligence Council, Chas Freeman.
And David said, aren't you expecting a lot of opposition?
And Freeman said, nah, it's going to sail through.
Then Blair got up saying about the appointment and saying he was a terrific person.
By 5 o'clock in the afternoon.
Senator Chuck Schumer, Senator Lieberman from Connecticut, had gotten to Rahm Emanuel in the White House and said, we can't have this guy.
He's too unbiased.
He doesn't react with knee-jerk solidity to the interests of Israel.
And so, Blair had to go back to Freeman and say, you know, I'm going to have to ask you to ask me to withhold your nominee, to reverse your appointment.
It wasn't like a nomination.
He had been appointed.
So he served as National Intelligence Director for eight hours, okay?
Now, that is unprecedented.
I've seen a lot of stuff in my 50 years in Washington, but never before have I seen the Israel lobby or any other lobby derail an appointment that had already been made In the bowels of the intelligence community.
I'll see if I can twist your arm to stay five into the next hour so we have at least ten minutes of air time to finish up on Iran, and briefly, North Korea.
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Well, to address your last point first, Alex, it would be a catastrophe if we and or the Israelis attacked Iran.
Among other things, they have the option of closing the Strait of Hormuz.
to which about a third of the traded oil goes through for the world.
And talk about a recession, well, it would throw the world into a tailspin given the dependence on oil.
The situation right now is highly interesting.
The bottom line is that the Israel lobby has shown its power once again.
And, now get this, this is the important conclusion, at least from my analysis.
Neither Israel nor the United States is terribly worried about a nuclear weapon in Iran.
If they were, They would have welcomed this new tripartite deal between Brazil, Turkey, and Iran, which provides for half, fully half, of the low-enriched uranium to go out of country into Turkey.
Now, that's the uranium that would have to be refined to a higher degree to make a bomb.
So, if half of Iran's uranium is going out of the country for a whole year, wouldn't you think that the Israelis in the U.S.
Well, what happened, as soon as this deal was announced, Hillary Clinton got up and said, no, no, no, we're not going to go that route.
That's naive.
What we're going to do is sanctions in the UN, and we're persuaded the Russians and the Chinese, and we're going to just get these guys.
Well, you know, that's really interesting, because you know what?
The President of the United States encouraged the head of Brazil and the head of Turkey to work out this deal.
And we have that in a letter from President Obama.
You won't find this in the New York Times, by the way, but if you look in the Sao Paulo press there in Brazil, you'll see the text of a letter from the president of the United States which says to the president of Brazil, from our point of view, a decision by Iran to send half of its low-enriched uranium abroad a decision by Iran to send half of its low-enriched uranium abroad would generate confidence and reduce regional tensions by cutting
So we're about to break, but to interrupt, correct me if I'm wrong, basically it's showing there's a fight going on inside the Obama administration and that they were trying to do something reasonable, but somebody else has come in and said, uh-uh.
And you won't find it in the New York Times, will you?
But that's the text of the President's letter to Brazil.
And Hillary Clinton and the other neocons, and those particularly susceptible to influence from the Likud lobby, have put the kibosh on what should be a very, very favorable, very encouraging development, namely for Iran to ship half of its uranium out of country.
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Ray McGovern, you've got the floor.
Former CIA top analyst to the president.
You wanted to finish up with the neocons admitting it's not about nukes in Iran and then briefly the situation on the Korean Peninsula.
Sure, I think the most recent very clear indication of what bothers the neocons and the Israel lobby is in Tom Friedman's, he's a very much pro-Israel fellow, his op-ed in the New York Times yesterday He's got a couple of lies in it.
He says experts say that they still have enough uranium to do a nuclear weapon.
They also suggest that the Iranian facilities are not under U.N.
inspection.
That's wrong.
What makes it clear is he's not interested in the uranium.
He's interested in regime change, and he finishes up with that appeal.
So, what we need to realize here is that this whole thing is easily explainable.
Why the U.S.
and why the Israelis would not welcome the shipping out of half of Iran's uranium for reprocessing elsewhere is because they don't care about that.
They care about regime change, and what they're trying to do is get that to happen largely through a lot of covert action, support of disparate groups within Iran, now openly acknowledged by the New York Times.
article yesterday, and that's what put the kibosh on the last deal.
In October, Jundala, one of the militant dissident, actually insurgent groups in Iran, supported by Israel, us, UK, and Pakistan, killed five senior Iranian Revolutionary Guards generals, and that's what killed five senior Iranian Revolutionary Guards generals, and that's what put the kibosh on the last deal.
Now, it's interesting to see that The New York Times is advertising the same kind of activity now.
We'll see how hard Israel and the United States tries to put the kibosh on this deal, which really should go through and would obviate the necessity.
Well, you know, Alex, it's really interesting, because we don't have the whole story on what happened.
It looks pretty sure that a North Korean torpedo did hit this South Korean ship, but the details have not been released.
They may give it to the Russians and the Chinese, but not to us.
The problem is that there's an armistice, there's not a peace agreement, and there are disputed territories.
There are North Korean and South Korean fishermen fighting over crabs every year, and this is the season.
And there are South Korean ships and North Korean ships both killed or sunk.
1999, a North Korean ship went down with 30 killed and 70 wounded.
So unless they get that shoreline and that international boundary delineated, this is going to keep happening.
So this should not be blown out of proportion and still less should Hillary Clinton use the same language used by Dean Acheson back in 1950, that this is, quote, unprovoked aggression, end quote.
It may be a provocation, it may be retaliation, we just don't know yet.
Well, we know Kim Jong-il looks like a scarecrow, looks like death warmed over, so anytime we could see a collapse of the regime, and who knows how that'll go, so it's another powder keg.
No one really knows what's going on within that country, and so it's really hard to guess as to what the motivation might have been, other than the normal sort of jousting, the normal trying to head off ships from the other country.
I appreciate you coming on to cover what's happening all over the planet and the geopolitical breakdown.
And I look forward to talking to Ray McGovern, a retired former senior CIA analyst, to the president.
God bless you, sir.
Thank you.
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Do you think that this should be mandated by the state or by the federal government?
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I think that's what's so wonderful about America.
So I think it's perfectly fine for Arizona to create that law.
And I am against illegal immigration, but I'm also against racial profiling.
Now, I don't normally watch beauty pageants, because I don't watch a lot of television, but when I am watching the news, I see highlights of it.
I'm obviously red-blooded, so my eyes are trained like a wolf looking at a, you know, a... But the issue here is that I happened to be up here while this was live, turned on the television, and saw all the ladies come out.
And I remember looking at Morgan Elizabeth Woollard, Miss Oklahoma, and thinking, well, she certainly stands out.
Because it's more than just looks.
She's obviously beautiful.
I could tell she was intelligent.
She had that spark about her.
And it's great to see her so informed about the Bill of Rights and Constitution and Ninth and Tenth Amendment versus Miss Teen South Carolina, who literally didn't even know what planet she was on.
We'll play that clip coming up later.
But I didn't know I was watching controversy when I happened to watch 30 minutes of it that evening because I didn't continue to watch to see the final judging.
And then I discovered and the news reported she may have lost because she didn't answer that politically correct.
You heard the.
The judge asked about the Arizona law and he said, well wait, don't boo yet.
And then she got this big standing ovation that I would say was five, six, seven times louder than the boos, and we'll play it again coming up just to have it on record, that the people responded to states' rights.
I mean, the government's too big, it's out of control.
Mexico's collapsing, but you know she went on to say, like Ron Paul, Congressman, said here yesterday, he is against racial profiling if it's misused.
But that wasn't good enough.
But to really pick her brain, because there's nothing like beauty and brains all together, is Morgan Elizabeth Woollard, the runner-up, second place in Miss USA.
I mean, did somebody say something to you after you answered that way?
Or did you ever get word like, ooh, that was a screw-up, you should have called for world government, or you should have called for us turning our guns in?
Well, I mean, they don't speak to you at all afterward about, you know, how you answered your question, but I think afterward, of course, the media definitely brought that to my attention and were wondering, simply from the scoring, you know, I was actually ahead the entire competition until then, and of course, having judges in the entertainment industry, which is predominantly liberal, they do question whether it hurt my chances or not.
Yeah, that's a key statistics that Fox News did cover and Miss Oklahoma named first runner-up in Miss USA pageant after answering immigration questions.
You were way ahead until that point.
I mean, where there's smoke, there's fire.
And I don't, I mean, I talked to you earlier, you don't want to be somebody who's a sword loser, but if you were ahead and then suddenly you got behind, I mean, that is suspicious.
With me, I just kind of have to have a positive perspective and, you know, when you work so hard for something, the last thing you want to think of is the way you answered your question, is what did you win.
And so, I just choose not to flagellate my mind with anything condemning like that and, you know, not be a sore loser or victimize myself, but rise above it and be happy for Rima and just move on to the next chapter of my life.
Well, you know, I'm really proud of you and so are my listeners.
We got a lot of fan mail for you here at the office.
People just calling in and emails, just when we played the clip, saying, wow, this is wonderful, especially in Oklahoma, your home state, where you are, Miss Oklahoma, because people appreciated you not going with the politically correct answer, because that's what really is valuable, is telling the truth, standing up for what you believe in.
And so, you know, that made you the winner overall when it came to defending this republic.
Well, on top of it, Napolitano, the head of Homeland Security, last week in congressional testimony, being questioned by John McCain, said, I haven't read the Arizona bill.
I think, you know, before you believe in something, If you're firmly against something, you should know what all that bill entails and what is within it.
Well, listen, while you're here on air, we've got you until about 45 after.
We're appreciative of the time.
Anything else you want to set the record straight on?
We're talking to Miss Oklahoma.
She got second place runner-up in Miss USA.
She was ahead the entire time until she didn't sell America out on national television.
But again, she's being a good sport.
Well, you know, if I think there was one thing that I could set the record straight with, it would just be that I'm one who does not want to victimize myself.
But anything else you want to set the record straight about?
Well, you know, if I think there was one thing that I could set the record straight with, it would just be that I'm one who does not want to victimize myself.
I think a lot of promos in the media are saying, Miss Oklahoma lost her crown because of what she said.
And, you know, truthfully, yes, it was a volatile question, and it was doomed for a polarizing answer.
But I really don't want to victimize myself necessarily.
Miss USA wasn't a do-or-die situation for me.
It would have been an incredible honor to represent the USA system and Donald Trump and my country.
But, you know, that didn't work out for me, and being scholastically and professionally active, I know that I have great things coming in life regardless, and so I just want people to know I'm not bitter, I am not a victim, and that I'm going to do good things with my life regardless of the crown.
Well, I honor that, and I know my listeners do, so you're being a great sport about it.
But I want to be clear.
I think people who do think that that question was wrong and do think that you were penalized, I think in future, the fans of Miss USA should put their input in about the transparency of the judging rules so that the young ladies know what they're going into.
The USA System, it goes on to Miss Universe, and because of that, it's the most prestigious pageant in the world.
And so, I've kind of already competed as far up as I can go, and so if I wanted to compete, there are other There's Miss World, there's Miss International, and there's of course Miss America, who has the talent portion.
And so, you know, I'm open-minded to that, but I think at this point in my life I'm ready to move on and pursue my career and finish my education and that kind of thing.
I don't completely shut it out, but at this moment in time I don't think I'll be competing Well, that's great.
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Why do you think this is?
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Americans are unable to do so because some people out there in our nation don't have maps and I believe that our education, like such as Thank you Miss South Carolina.
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And I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S. or should help South Africa.
God bless her and it's, you know, it's not easy being up there in front of millions of people and lights in your face, you know, and possibly becoming a potential YouTube moment.
There's a lot going through your brain, so you gotta give her some credit for at least putting herself out there and, you know, doing her best, right?
I'm just saying, comparing her to you, it is night and day.
Now, during the break, I brought up Carrie Prejean, if I'm pronouncing that right.
I vaguely remember last year, the big controversy, where she said, my parents brought me up to be pro-family, and marriage is an institution that deals with that, and you said, well,
I get asked about a lot of that, and you told me privately your views on it, but it's such a hot issue, so putting it as nicely as you can, I mean, you were explaining the parallel of even if you basically were dissed for answering the question the way you were, you don't want to be seen as basically running with it or milking it?
Well, you know, I think a lot of people have been comparing me to Kerry Prejean or saying, I'm the next Carrie Prejean, because it is kind of ironic.
You know, she gets the gay marriage question, I get the illegal immigration question.
We both gave fairly conservative answers, are pretty blondes, then end up fresh underwrap, right?
Um, so, there are definitely some comparisons there, but I just didn't want to victimize myself.
I felt she kind of melts her time in the media just for being controversial, and, um, I just didn't want people to see me as the same or victimize me or anything along those lines, if that makes sense.
But, I mean, every year now it's about politics, people losing who are the runner-ups because they have conservative or constitutional or traditional values.
I think Donald Trump needs to get the politics out of this because the message to people is You know, if you don't have the right political view, it's not how talented or how beautiful or how dynamic you are.
You know, this is political correctness.
And I think, frankly, I think it was political correctness.
I mean, I think the Lebanese woman is bombshell beautiful, but I don't think she was in the top five.
I mean, I happened to, again, just catch about 20 minutes of it.
It was pure torture, of course, while I was drinking coffee after my Sunday show.
But I mean, I'm sorry.
I don't think she's second place.
I saw you out there on that runway, and let me tell you, it was like my eyes were on springs.
I hope my wife's not listening.
I'm sorry, but no, I mean, seriously.
I mean, I thought you were the most beautiful.
You popped out there.
That's the reason you were in the leadership role.
And if you'd have said, I'm against Arizona, I love open borders, I love world government, I love crime, it would have been bong, bong, bong, you know, jackpot, you're the winner.
You know, again, I would hope that's not the case, but you're actually correct, actually.
Rima, while she is stunningly beautiful, if you average some evening gown, I think she was actually in seventh place.
And so, you know, winning, I'm so proud of her, and I think it's awesome that she's Arab-American, and I think that's, you know, a great, neat thing for our country, but It is a little disappointing for me, you know, when you want something so badly and...
You know, Rima, honestly, she's got the funniest, goofiest personality, and I really think she just won him over in her interview, because she's just such a relatable, um... Miss Oklahoma, stay there!
Morgan Elizabeth Willard is our guest for another segment.
I've got some final news I want to hit on the financial front with world markets collapsing all over the place in the last segment today.
Again, thank you for joining us, radio listeners.
I want to go to calls, but I also want to talk about you and the future.
I mean, you're intelligent, you're smart, you're a constitutionalist, you're for states' rights, you've been punished for standing up for your rights even if you won't Well, that's a loaded question.
But I think that's in a way admirable that you're not being a spoiled sport.
But it's not a spoiled sport if you were cheated.
But, again, discretion is the greater valor, I guess they say.
But where are you planning to go from here?
I was telling you during the break, you ought to write a book about this and interweave in there your political views.
I have been incredibly blessed with being given numerous options from here to here.
You know, the Miss USA pageant, just the exposure itself is a blessing, especially if you want to be in the media, and so I'm very thankful for all the opportunities that have come my way because of this pageant.
I'm already getting offers, you know, within the broadcasting world, modeling world, acting Posting, anything of that nature.
So I think right now I just need to decide what's best for me in my future and take a risk and go a direction.
And I also need to finish my education as well.
I'm getting close, but not quite there yet.
So hopefully I can find a way to pursue finishing my education and starting my career at the same time.
There's a lot of anchors on television like Peter Jennings that don't have degrees.
And I would strike while the iron's hot.
You can always go back to college, but right now you're smart, you're talented, you're well-spoken, you're beautiful.
I would get into the media and I would take every opportunity you've got right now.
Because I'm not bashing college and education, that's fine and dandy.
It's just that Bill Gates, Rush Limbaugh, if you look at the statistics, over 90% of the top CEOs, media people, you name it, didn't go to college or quit college because they were already go-getters.
By 20 years old, halfway into college, they already had opportunities.
Same thing with me.
I was 21, I had about another year and a half of college left, I'd already gone and gotten a radio show locally, and I was sayonara.
But again, I'm just saying strike while the iron's hot.
Strike while you're in the spotlight.
Because you could argue, due to that controversial question and your controversial answer for some, you almost got more attention than the lady that won Miss USA.
So at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if they stole the crown from you, because you still win!
Well, before we go to Eric, Chris, Mike, and others with Miss Oklahoma, the Patriot, who we just love to death, give us some of your other views on the Second Amendment.
Have you heard all these world leaders calling for global government and that we need to have the private central banks running things?
Well, you've got Ban Ki-moon, the Secretary General of the UN, Herman Van Rompuy, the head of the EU, the outgoing Prime Minister of England, Gordon Brown, Al Gore.
The heads of the G20 are calling for a global government to set worldwide taxes.
And I was just asking if you were concerned about that.
Being able to be your own keeper and having self-government and, you know, making something of yourself and not relying too much on the government for that.
And so, I'm definitely against big government in the world.
Well, I think that kind of goes along with what we were speaking about earlier.
It's giving the government too much power.
And, you know, I don't want our freedoms to be taken away.
I don't want our liberty to be taken away.
I think those things is exactly what makes America, America.
And just being able to govern yourself and, you know, not having, like I said, the government controlling too many aspects of our lives, I definitely think there's a point where they need to step back and give us our freedom again.
Absolutely, and we've got to step up and take them back.
Absolutely.
Did you hear of the debate with Lou Dobbs and others about the North American Union, SPP, NAFTA superhighways, all these toll roads going in that the money then goes to foreign corporations in Spain and Europe?
I don't know when that day will be, but I definitely am someone who wants to have a wonderful family and children and, you know, a great American family.
Well, it's been great having you here, and we appreciate your courage.
Did we ever find that clip, guys, of Carrie Pijon, however you pronounce it?
We didn't find that, because I heard it all over the news last year.
You can probably use YouTube, Carrie Pijon's Correct.
gay marriage comment uh i mean you're quite a person because you're out there in the spotlight as a model and there's somebody who wanted to win who was going to win until that question came up the evidence is clear but then now clearly i think you were cheated but you want to be a good sport and you're saying no uh you know i don't want to get attention by going out and screaming bloody murder correct you're exactly right
uh i mean are you critical of the lady who uh did milk it somewhat?
Just, you know, how grateful I am for the overwhelming support I've received.
Everyone has been Absolutely incredible, not just from the state of Oklahoma, but my entire country and even people all over the world just showered with love and support and people backing me up from all over the place and so I'm so grateful and I really am just honored and humbled.
As soon as I said I'm a firm believer in state strife and I love that about my country, everyone just Overflowed with, you know, clapping and cheering and I think the majority of the people there were in agreement with me on that statement.
Well, all I can say is incredible, and it has been great having you on the broadcast, and I know that there's quite a few websites that have your info up, but I'm not going to try to give you advice for your career, but I would get a basic website up quickly that's yours, just so you get directed, you know, just so you get contacted directly by the media outlets and others that are out there.
So we look forward to talking to Morgan Elizabeth Woolard again in the future.
Thank you for being so nice and spending so much time with us today.
I had the entire time until the end when she didn't bow down to the La Reconquista and the New World Order and the Infisora.
But look, I just spent 50 minutes with her because People wanted to have her on, and she stood up for what she believed in, and we've got a lot of other hardcore subjects that I covered in the first hour of the show.
I'm going to cover some financial news when we come back to the last segment that's very important.
But good job to Jaren and the rest of the crew for getting her on the show.
Interesting interview.
And I'll tell you, the crew liked this guest.
It's better than CIA analyst and economist and things.
Of course, I have to be quite frank with you.
Those are my favorite type of guests, because I like to get people thinking, but you know what?
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This is all part of the plan as we laid out over a decade ago.
We have the IMF World Bank Takeover Plan.
Here's another one.
U.S.
money supply plunges at 1930s pace as Obama eyes fresh stimulus.
The money supply is being contracted, ladies and gentlemen.
That is out of the London Telegraph as well.
Here's the Financial Times.
Debt crisis is dark cloud over Europe.
Another key article, Ron Paul, inside source told me Fed is panicking at mass awakenings.
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So the good news is we're identifying the enemy.
They know we're aware of what they're doing, but they're just imploding the entire economy.
What did Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, former head of the Treasury, Wall Street Journal editor, father of Reaganomics, he said evil Has been turned loose.
The government is completely evil.
You got a few good people in the government, but the system is run by evil.
And look, you wake up to that or it's over.
Now, I'm not going to attack Glenn Beck and the whole media frenzy about what he sells gold for.
Because some of that stuff's collectible, and it's good to have a mix.
But non-collectible, semi-numismatic, the news reported $360 for a franc, and that was three months ago.
When, when, you know, gold was down by like a hundred bucks.
Ted has franks at a hundred and, I mean, 250 something.
It's like a hundred bucks less than what, you know, big gold companies are selling it.
Cause he bought it when it was lower.
He's selling it to you when it's higher at the low price.
So when I tell you that I get the daily sheets on this, when we do a gold offer, he's making three or four, maybe $5 different days on these Franks, on these Sovereigns, maybe $6 that are quarter ounce.
And that's at the old amount.
When he bought it when it was low, he's still selling it to you.
You cannot get better deals from my research.
Maybe they're there, you know, maybe a leprechaun's got a golden pot or something.
But Ted, I wanted to bring you up briefly with a few news headlines on the economy, and then not just the Franks.
That everybody else is selling for over $300.
You got them for $250 something, but not for long, because they are selling out gold way up today.
Tell folks about the coins, the offers, the toll-free number, because I believe in this.
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I can tell you right now, British sovereigns, I had to stop issuing them.
I can't sell them right now because my European sources can't get them to me because the Europeans are buying them all up.
There's not enough supply right now for me to be able to say I have those.
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