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I'm going to read the article written by Paul Joseph Watson coming up here in a few minutes.
It is so important.
Feds prepare to use anarchists to provoke Tea Party violence.
And this ties into the government setting up militias to create the perception there's this danger from gun-owning Americans.
We have the false flag of a week and a half ago now confirmed from multiple angles.
No one said the n-word to the congressman walking through the tea parties in front of the Capitol on the day it passed.
No one said we're going to kill you.
They said kill the bill.
No one spit in their faces.
That was a false flag.
This is going to be their strategy to turn this around on us because the health care takeover is so unpopular.
The greenhouse gas taxes are so unpopular.
This whole agenda is so unpopular right now.
So that is coming up.
But I want to premiere here for radio listeners and PrisonPlanet.TV viewers.
We're now simulcasting the last two and a half hours at PrisonPlanet.TV as we do every day.
Some days even more.
I want to premiere two new trailers.
Now, the first one is for Invisible Empire, A New World Order Defined.
Then the next piece is a longer trailer, because it's not only a new police state trailer, it begins with a sneak peek, just three minutes, from the two-hour, 20-plus minute film, Police State 4, The Rise of FEMA, where the feds and the military were trying to set up my cameraman as terrorists that wanted to attack the military base.
And they did this to a lady in upstate New York who just went and photographed a base because she was concerned about FEMA camps.
This is what they do.
So that is coming up as well.
Now, both these trailers are going up at InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com in the next hour.
They're not on YouTube yet.
They're not on the Alex Jones Channel yet.
They're not posted on InfoWars and PrisonPlanet yet.
But when you're listening to this as a rebroadcast on stations across the country or XM, Coming up on Saturday and Sunday, they will both be up at InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
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The DVDs are now being shipped to us.
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We've become accustomed to the idea that every now and then something is going to happen and we just know from the beginning we're not going to get to the bottom of it.
Witness their plan for a global tax and a cashless surveillance society in which every man, woman, and child is microchipped at birth.
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A network Washington set up to run arms to the Congress wound up running cocaine for the most vicious drug cartel in the world.
Barney Frank acknowledged having used a male prostitute, whom he then hired as a personal employee, and he ran a prostitution business out of Frank's home.
If you look at the elite throughout history, many of the people that achieve pinnacles of power are into the occult.
Stories about what happens in these redwoods are hard to come by.
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And then, of course, Police State 4, The Rise of FEMA, is up at three hours with the two-hour, 20-minute film and then all the extras.
And this film is just indescribable as well.
I set out to make a film a year ago about FEMA camps, but I found out they were making Camp FEMA, so I waited to consult on that and be part of it, and it's excellent.
We sell it.
But this gets into COG, executive orders, FEMA camps, the Governor's Council, the John Moore Defense Authorization Act, the riot police, the G20, false flag terror, the underwear bomber.
It's got Tarpley, myself, just many others.
It's got Salente in it.
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So police state for the rise of FEMA.
Now this intros with a sneak peek from a section where they tried to frame my camera crew in Pittsburgh as trying to Attack the base and then running off and then the police tried to frame him as terrorist and I had to get on the telephone and let him know that we had financial backing and that we would protect our people.
Dew still got arrested.
I had to spend thousands in court to defeat that fraud.
I mean, this is an important film for anybody that's questioning whether FEMA camps are real and who want to understand this police state surveillance grid takeover.
Here it is, Trailer 2 Extended Sneak Peek from Police State 4, The Rise of FEMA.
I need all Info Warriors, anyone in the Northeast, anybody in the Midwest, to go to Pittsburgh now with video cameras.
The troops are bought and paid for by offshore banks.
Republic is falling right now.
They are openly bringing in Marshall Nell.
They have troops deploying in every major city.
We need everybody to go to Pittsburgh who loves this country.
international media, government staffers, and protesters.
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The J-20 basically represents the largest nations which participate in the Western banking cartel, which I feel is behind a lot of the pain, anguish, and misery that exists in our world today.
This is such a police state there that they tried to talk to the military and talk to the spokesman last night.
Defense link put a press release out, and they said, "No, we're not going to talk to you.
Get out of here." Then they got their license number, had the police pose as Alamo rental car people from the county there, Allegheny County in Pennsylvania.
They called them and said, oh, your car's got no brakes, bring it in.
And they said, well, we're in the coordinate G20.
We're news reporters.
We can't get out until tomorrow.
They said, well that's fine because I'm a police officer with the Army and FBI and you've all been put on terror list and you're lost over boy.
We know you're a terrorist and you were sneaking around the military base and ran.
All lies!
Okay, so I just went over.
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They're gonna have a guy come out and talk to us or they said they'll get us a number to contact.
If you get some credentials, you get some that I can work with, I'll do it.
We didn't run away from anything.
By the time that we had left, turned around, and exited the main military facility, there was another car parked on the other side of the road, waited for us to pass, followed us for an exit, then got off, and then we were shot.
And then he told Douglas, you're on a list now, pal, for the rest of your life.
Yeah, he did.
With pleasure.
for that.
He then came clean and said he was actually military personnel, and he wanted to know whether or not we were terrorists, Alan.
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Okay, coming up, we've got Bob Chapman coming on.
We've got Barry Cooper and Kandi Cooper in studio.
Here's the headline.
Police teaching kids to mistrust government makes couple unstable, unsuitable parents.
We're going to be breaking that down.
But here's a key Intel report for everyone joining us.
They're passing through executive fiat the carbon taxes, shutting down the coal plants, not letting new ones get built, taxes on all homes, all businesses, all states, all electricity, all gas, all oil.
The IRS is taking over health care, cutting Medicare and Medicaid, raising massive new taxes, putting new taxes on the states, doesn't cover pre-existing conditions the people are finding out.
Rush Limbaugh said repeatedly last week, I agree with him on this, but the point is even mainstream is saying this now, mainstream conservatives, that there's no way politically without staging terror or without having a big crisis that they can get away with this in the upcoming elections, that they will stage crises.
Michael Savage is saying it.
So the point is, anyone who has a political brain, and who's been around, knows this is happening.
There's open talk about shutting down talk radio, shutting down the web, Associated Press, Cybersecurity Act, FCC head says, replace alternative media and talk radio with state-owned, state-run media.
Here's the headline, FCC advisor advocates state-run propaganda megaphone to counter alternative media.
This is red alert information.
They're arresting militias, setting them up.
Hattari did nothing.
Informants inside ran the whole thing, as we told you Monday, now completely confirmed.
Now, here's the big one.
Here's the big issue.
Feds prepare to use anarchists to provoke Tea Party violence.
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Alert.
Get this out to everyone.
It will be a devastating blow to the federal anarchists if you let them hit you and videotape it.
It was a devastating blow that a week and a half ago, the black Congressional Congress didn't use the tunnel from the office building to the Capitol.
They walked through the Tea Party.
No one spit.
No one yelled, kill them.
No one said the N-word.
That's now been confirmed from all the video angles.
The media is having to backtrack.
That was a false flag.
They lied.
No one was arrested like McClatchy Newspaper said.
It was all made up and we have video from multiple angles of the incidents.
We played it yesterday.
It's posted up at InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
They are desperate to demonize you.
They know over 80% of the public is against what's happening.
They know you're waking up.
They will bomb federal buildings.
They will stage mass shootings.
They will attack IRS buildings.
I'm telling you this isn't a question of if but when.
Unless we get massive news out on this now, we may be able to back these people off.
If people stop mincing their words and start telling the truth about what we're facing.
And the fact that big Republican Party operatives are now having to tell the truth about staged attacks, staged terror, Limbaugh and Savage and others, tells you they know how much danger they're even in.
I mean, this is a hardcore takeover happening.
Now, here's how they're going to do one of their attack probes.
We know the anarchists have been caught in Seattle, caught in Austin, caught in Canada two years ago, caught in Genoa, Italy.
Flown in by government.
They tump over things, burn things, attack cops.
Many times they are cops.
In the case of Ottawa, that's Toronto Star headline.
Row mounted police admit they staged attacks on their own officers as pretext to attack the peaceful crowds.
That doesn't mean people who are anarchists, real anarchists, are bad.
I'm not saying that.
The dissent always says I'm attacking anarchists.
These violent groups are Fed-run.
It's proven.
Now listen to this.
Feds prepare to use anarchists to provoke Tea Party violence.
Look behind the balaclava, many of self-proclaimed anarchists, and you'll find a Stalinist thug.
Given the past history of how so-called anarchist groups are so easily infiltrated and provocateured by the authorities to commit meaningless acts of violence that only serve to discredit political causes, we should be alarmed by the possibility that anarchist plans to, quote, crash the Tea Parties will present the perfect opportunity for the establishment to create a flashpoint with which to demonize constitutionalists and unruly extremists.
I'll continue and finish up the article on the other side.
Some of the biggest anarchist groups are saying they're planning to come out and get disruptive and do what they do.
They are fed-run, fed-protected, just like the anarchist leader from Austin set up other anarchists in the firebombing at the Republican National Conference up in Minneapolis-St.
I told you at the time that was a setup, now it's admitted.
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And the right-wing has provocateurs, too, that work for their right-wing blogs.
With the Michelle Malkin setup, when they said that I was saying, kill Michelle Malkin, we got the raw video out and showed their people were behind me, screaming it.
So there's dirty tricks on both sides, but the big massive operation is with Obama's people.
Continuing, according to leading Anarchist website InfoShopNews, on April 15th, thousands of right-wingers will attend rallies.
Well, don't they agree with you more, for smaller government, Anarchists?
But when you really meet these Anarchists, they're always wearing red stars.
On April 15th, thousands of right-wingers will attend rallies in cities and towns across the United States.
The organizers of these nationwide day of protests call it a Tea Party.
This Tea Party movement that emerged only a year ago is a coalition of conservatives, anti-Semites, fascists, libertarians, racists, constitutionalists, militiamen, gun freaks, homophobes, Ron Paul supporters, and Alex Jones conspiracy types, and American flag wavers.
Yeah, you don't want to wave that American flag.
So I'm lumped in with those evil flag wavers.
In one paragraph, the so-called anarchists have regurgitated wholesale the exact rhetoric that the corporate-owned media, their supposed adversaries, have been spewing ceaselessly for months on end that anyone who opposes big government, which is what anarchists are supposed to do, is a racist and a extremist.
While also lying about the origins of the Tea Party, which is in fact started by Ron Paul supporters as early as 2007.
The anarchist's primary reason for wanting to crash Tea Party demonstrations, because as the Tea Party movement takes over the country, they will really hurt...
Yeah, most of these attack groups that call themselves anarchists are communists.
I mean, I've been there.
disability benefits, student aid, free health care act, quote, is completely at odds with the traditional anarchist political doctrine of extremely limited or no government whatsoever.
Yeah, most of these attack groups that call themselves anarchist are communist.
I mean, I've been there.
I've seen them wearing red stars and talking about Mao Zedong and how great he is.
The article continues here.
As Kurt Nemo points out, these people are not anarchist at all.
They are leftist, teenage socialist punks who like to call themselves workers, but a good portion of whom have probably never worked a day in their life.
They make for perfect puppets through which the establishment can manipulate to demonize its real political adversaries.
And then they link to all the news articles for page after page, Denver Post, Toronto Star, all the articles Where mainstream news admits the police stage these groups and stage these events 110% they've been caught over and over and over and over again all over this nation all over the world all over other countries and That's just the first part of the article.
I'm going to come back and cover some more of it.
But as we have constantly warned, the latter half of April represents the most dangerous time period for when we can expect violence to be staged and provocateured, which will instantly be blamed on Tea Partiers, Libertarians, and Constitutionalists.
A brief history of how anarchist groups have been infiltrated and steered by authorities to commit mayhem and violence in order to justify a crackdown of free speech And the right to assemble has never been more prescient.
Then we have the links.
Feds prepare to use anarchists to provoke Tea Party violence.
We have another link here at the G20 Summit where they got caught doing it.
We have links all over the world.
The 1999 WTO, the 2008 situation in Canada.
We have links to all of this.
in the article.
We also show how hired thugs that work for Obama all over the country are beating up Tea Party people, and the news spins it and says the Tea Party people are attacking them.
Just like a week and a half ago when the Democratic congressman walked through and claimed that the N-word was yelled, they were spit at, people said they were going to kill them.
The closest thing to truth there is kill the bilge.
Kill the bill.
No spitting, no N-word.
That video is all out there of the actual incident.
They claim people were arrested for doing it.
They were not arrested.
All part of this hoax.
And we're now into April.
It is April 2nd on this Friday edition.
This is the time, as we go into this, Tea Party people need to be made aware of this.
They need to have cameras.
They need to have video cameras.
They need to be protecting themselves.
And they need to be non-violent.
We'll be right back.
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One major world crisis away from having a totalitarian type of system.
The main event is the wholesale destruction of the world economy.
The push for every nation on the globe to identify and number all of its citizens.
Well, for the next hour, Bob Chapman of TheInternationalForecaster.com will be riding shotgun with us.
He'll talk about some of the big developments in the economy.
The federal government openly saying they're preparing to take private and public pension funds to give it to the private banks.
That is Bloomberg.
The latest developments there, but Bob Chapman of course has been run out of the United States for exposing these people, shot at, you name it.
He helped publish the book Gary Allen.
They put out over 5 million copies.
He's been fighting for more than 50 years.
Former military intelligence worked in Germany, South Africa, you name it.
But this was the only hour we could get them on today because I learned of this this morning.
I knew, because it was in the AP and other publications, a month or so ago, that he got set up by Williamson County.
He's a former narcotics officer who does stings, exposing government violations of the Fourth Amendment, cops stealing drugs, you name it.
And after he did a big sting, they arrested him and took their son.
They have taken their son, and I have the CPS police report saying they took him because, Parents are unsuitable and create an environment where the children believe the government is out to harm them.
So the headline up at InfoWars.com, cops and CPSC's child from parents for mistrusting government.
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This is the Soviet Union.
I want to go to Bob Chapman before we come back with these folks.
Then we'll get into all the other issues.
But Bob, you were just telling me about another case of this with Canada and the US.
I mean this is, this is bad.
We're now under these rules of war against the people.
They take your children for your political beliefs.
Well, Bob, we're going to discuss this case coming up in the next segment and get your take on it, and then about 30-40 minutes into the interview, our guests will leave us, but this was an emergency situation.
Then we'll get into the economy and other issues.
What do you think about the Fed-run anarchist announcing that they are going to go disrupt, we know how they disrupt attacking people, breaking things at tea parties nationwide.
How does that fit into my prediction that they're going to start staging events into the month of April, now this provocateur action with the Hatari militia?
And the reason it is taking the form that it's taking is it being forced to.
And you saw a perfect example of that last Friday when we talked about, and then you did some further work on the fact that CNN wanted to interview you.
They don't know what to do.
They're trying to stop us and they can't.
And so they're branching out.
They're trying to be disruptive everywhere that they can in order to keep us off balance.
And it's not going to.
Because we're telling the truth and we're not breaking the law.
And we want everybody to know what their rights are.
And we want everybody to know what's going on out there, what the government is doing.
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Alright, we're back live, eight minutes into the third hour.
Bob Chapman of the International Forecaster riding shotgun with us for the rest of the hour, going into the economy, anarchist groups.
espousing communism and socialism, that's the opposite of anarchy, are saying they're going to go out and provocateur and basically attack Tea Parties nationwide.
We know they're foundation and government funded.
We've proven that.
Paul Watson has a detailed article breaking all of this down.
It is so important.
But when I read this this morning, I had seen it in the Associated Press, I had read it a month ago.
Police raid never get busted.
HQ, Barry Cooper, who lives in North Travis County, I guess on the Williamson County line, And I'd warned him when he moved down here as a former narcotics officer that the most corrupt county in Texas, one of the most corrupt in the nation, is Williamson County.
Their Georgetown Police Department, their Round Rock Police Department, the county itself, the state police they've got up there.
I mean, the things we've seen with their mayors, and it just goes on and on.
And they feed on the public up there, and I said, I wouldn't live there.
And he's like, well, I can handle him.
He started running stings against him.
We're going to talk about that.
And he's put the videos out on the web with the stings he ran on the police in Williamson County.
Well, they raided him, but that wasn't enough.
I have the CPS report here out of Williamson County provided by the Coopers.
It was Max Kaiser this morning that called us and told us about this.
I had missed it this morning.
This is Cooper Candice.
That's Candy.
Mrs. Cooper.
And it says, uh, releasable copy volume one.
And this is put out, we're going to give you a document cam shot of this for PrisonPlanet.TV viewers right now.
This is the, this is the police, uh, investigation, uh, report.
And when you turn in here, they give the reason.
Please explain your current concerns regarding supervision of the children.
This is when they went to the CPS and filed this.
Parents are Unsuitable as and create an environment where the children believe the government is out to harm them.
Again, parents are unsuitable and create an environment where the children believe the government is out to harm them.
And it goes on from there.
And that's why they took their children.
And here's the article from True Slant.
Police threatening kids And the police go on to say, police teaching kids to mistrust government makes couple unsuitable parents.
Here's the PrisonPlanet.com article.
Cops and CPS seize children from parents for mistrusting government.
And so, Barry and Candy Cooper are here.
They have their eight-year-old daughter, but their son has been taken by the government.
And their eight-year-old daughter is here with them today.
Barry, just give people, and Candy, give people a Basic boil down of what happened in Williamson County, why they came at you and went after your children because of this.
Well, what they did, my daughter and I were headed to the university to give a speech and they got Travis County Narcotics along with Williamson County Narcotics to arrest me and took us to our house.
Yeah, they were waiting and I was in handcuffs and my daughter was out in the driveway and they forced us To watch a felony raid on our home with no way to to warn candy and it was because we had went into Williamson County and did a sting.
I caught a cop there stealing drug money.
I put the free video up on our website nevergetbusted.com.
It's 45 minutes and five days later they raided us.
I had no idea because we had our lawyers look at all over all the sting material and they said I was safe as far as not breaking any laws.
But two days in solitary confinement away from my family, they actually wouldn't even book me in jail for over 15 hours.
They kept me hidden and our lawyers and stuff would call and they said, no, he's not in this jail.
They had me in solitary confinement the whole time searching our home.
They did that for four hours and took all of our media, all of our computers, all of my tapes that we had worked so hard in three years on.
And then it resulted in a big CPS investigation where they made comments that they were concerned with our daughter's safety because she had sudden outburst of crying for no reason during the raid.
Well, they even go on in that report to say that we give our kids drugs.
Which is nuts.
There's no proof or evidence of that.
We don't give our kids drugs.
What happened is, since we got the girl out of prison and we busted the Williamson County deputy, they realized we were no longer a nuisance and became a serious threat.
And we're feeling the full force of the government on our family right now.
And you were a former highly decorated narcotics officer who refused to go along with all the frame-ups, just like Dr. Frederick Whitehurst, former head of the FBI crime lab we had on two days ago, just saying it's totally criminal.
I mean, it is operating procedure to frame people.
They raided us on a misdemeanor for one false report to a peace officer and in the affidavit it even says an unidentified caller called in the suspicious bag which had the drug money that I planted in it But the truth is, in that affidavit, they said they heard my voice in the background.
So they rated us on a misdemeanor, which never happens.
And we had to fight for our lives.
And right now, our 8-year-old son, named Zach Johnson, is in East Texas now, in a bad place, a bad situation.
He's got cerebral palsy.
He's almost deaf.
He's on a four-year-old level and we've never been away from him his entire life.
Which we kind of think we'd rather be in CPS's hand as bad as that sounds because now we're going into East Texas courts and in that affidavit they're bringing up statements that Berry and Candy are nationally recognized marijuana advocates.
Berry and Candy appear on Fox News all the time and they make claims such as everything the The government, our teachers, our churches, and our parents taught us about narcotics was wrong, which that's true.
So they're accusing us of all these things that are true.
So all of this is going on, and in the report, they took the children, they took your son because How did they learn supposedly that you were saying bad things about the government and how is it their right to take a child now because parents say don't trust the government?
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It was my ex-husband, which we've been friends with this whole time.
For three years, he knew what we did.
He's been at our house, you know, we were all friends.
Our 16 year old daughter finished her first year of college at ACC last year.
She's in her second year this year.
We're a very loving, close family.
And of course, we teach that the government is out to get us.
They're the ones who came into the house and pointed guns at my kids and put me in jail for something that I didn't do.
It's all for busting that cop and he's a captain at Liberty Hill Police Department that we had been getting complaints on and we set a trap for him and we stung him and there was an HBO film crew there when we confronted The chief of police with the video evidence, and five days later, they were raiding our house.
And that raid and jail was nothing, Alex, compared to us losing our son.
And what they're actually doing is allowing the devil to take over.
We'll be right back, stay with us.
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Well, we've received threats and attorneys of ours that know some people high up and we've gotten hundreds of phone calls, people warning us and some other police officers that if we continue doing these cop stings, the next step is they'll plant something on me and put me away for 20 years or they'll shoot me.
So, like I said, we're one family exposing corruption, and the cost is very high.
Yeah, I'm actually running for Texas Attorney General.
And, by the way, one of the judges, I'd also let it out that if I didn't win Texas Attorney General, that I was going to run for judge in Precinct 5 of Austin.
It turns out it was that judge in Precinct 5 that signed the search warrant to our home.
Yeah, and the JP that signed the arrest warrant for us, it's her son that's the prosecutor on this case.
The sergeant that raided my house, I used to be a hero of his when I was a narcotics officer teaching other officers throughout academies in Texas how to seize the narcotics that I was seizing.
And I was one of his heroes.
And since I switched side, he's had a vendetta Against us ever since so when we busted one of his friends stealing drug money.
That's when he came through our door with the guns drawn But again the key to all of this here is the police report confidential That was that you guys got a hold up, so we're allowed to release it here, and it says the reason your son was taken Please explain your current concerns regarding supervision of the child children parents are unsuitable for And create an environment where the children believe the government is out to harm them.
But the point is, I mean, they're taking your personal comments and things and criticizing hypocrisy as if that's why you have to have your children taken.
You know, Rosa Parks had to stand up on a bus one day to get something changed, and we stood up on a bus trying to prove that these cops actually do commit crimes.
Well, the drugs are brought in to reinstate slavery.
They bring in addictive substances, push the legal ones on the kids at the same time.
They're caught everywhere dealing them, controlling them, stealing the money, and they're the ones that want to keep it illegal, just like the drug dealers we've interviewed want to keep it illegal.
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I don't like drugs.
I don't like any of them.
I mean, even coffee.
I can't get off of it.
But the issue is, you shouldn't go to prison for it.
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We're going to talk about some of the exciting things that are happening for you guys right now.
We need to pray for you, pray for your son, your daughter, pray for everybody involved, your ex-husband.
You know, I mean, this whole thing is so terrible, what's happening, and them taking your son because you criticize the government.
I mean, they've really opened themselves up to civil rights lawsuits.
I want to say something about Williamson County and other rural counties that butt up to big cities like Austin.
And we're now a big city, over a million people.
Twenty years ago, even ten years ago, it was mainly cow pasture and some good old boys, and believe me, my family's been down here in this area of Texas for a long time.
The corruption up there was known back then.
You get good old boys in charge, they own the jail, their family gets the contracts, and it's come out with past mayor and police chiefs up in Georgetown with just stuff that will just blow your mind what they're doing.
I predict Williamson County will end up going down in history as one of the most corrupt counties, because as it gets bigger and hundreds of thousands of people move in there, and they feed on all these new people from California and stuff moving in who have no idea, as they keep running this boss hog situation with hundreds of thousands of people under them, they're going to be brought to justice.
And more and more they are being brought to justice, but Williamson County leadership is a cancer.
In this country.
But similar things are going on.
They've got all these CNN specials about where the police just admit in small towns in Texas, they just pull you over, take your money.
You were taught how to do that.
You were taught to plant drugs.
Talking about your father.
Unfortunately, like a lot of the older Christians in this land, their ears are stopped.
The Christians decided if they couldn't behave that way and everybody else was having fun dancing and drinking and And the CIA narcotics traffickers in the 30s, even before the CIA was set up, they lobbied to have all this done because they'd lost alcohol prohibition.
Well, I actually got kilos of crack cocaine off the street that came directly from the CIA when I was a narcotics officer.
And I was told at the time that that's what it was and I didn't believe it because I was brainwashed too.
And later in years when those documents begin to be revealed, I realized I was seizing cocaine that was put here by our own government and putting non-violent people in jail for that.
And I feel bad.
I feel really bad about that.
That's why I switched sides and produced these videos that teach how not to get busted for pot.
Well, I want to get Bob Chapman's final comments and then shift into other areas and we'll monitor this as it unfolds.
But people should go to your site, they should watch the videos, research it for themselves, and we should also pray for the evil hearts of police that think of us as non-humans.
I mean, I've had police over and over again try to frame me for violence.
I have the national media doing it right now.
I've showed a clip earlier where the military is trying to frame my You're definitely on the radar.
I mean, if you're a cop trying to investigate Oklahoma City being an inside job and they killed a bunch of cops up in Oklahoma, tortured them to death.
I mean, they don't play games.
This is a $500 billion a year industry of narcotics trafficking.
And as long as the mainline Christians are asleep and sucking their thumbs, the scam can continue.
Yeah, we signed a deal not too long ago with Brett Ratner, the Hollywood giant, who did Prison Break and X-Men and Rush Hours, and they want to do a movie in the theaters about our lives.
Texas Rangers announced they won't investigate the Liberty Hill sting, which is not a surprise to me because I have a private clip on YouTube ready to roll where I actually filmed a phone conversation between me and them where they said this, we'll just come to Austin and kick your ass.
And I've got that on film.
They did that over the Yolanda Madden case where we stung the cops in Odessa on a false raid that resulted in Yolanda being released from prison after being there for four years.
We always kept them somewhere else, but I had them in the house because that HBO film crew needed them, and I forgot to return them back to their hiding spots.
Well, I want to tell them how cruel and evil they are, that this is cruelty like no other.
When you start touching people's families, and I know you know you're not right, stop it, because we're not going to stop exposing corruption.
And how dare you come into my home on a misdemeanor, pointing guns at my family.
If you were civilians and did that, you would have been charged with home invasion, burglary, theft, because you took all of our stuff and you did all that for a misdemeanor that I didn't even commit.
And that's why we've got a $40 million lawsuit coming in your direction, and we're going to get our son back.
I'll die.
I'm non-violent, but I will do everything in my power legally to get our son back.
Alright guys, we'll continue to watch this case with Barry and Candy Cooper.
Pray for them folks.
Okay, going back to Bob Chapman.
Bob, thank you for holding during that.
I'm going to give you the floor now on the economy, the police state, all the big developments, but putting in caps on that, Bob Chapman, what's your take on what you just heard?
And, you know, to have people in law enforcement involved in narcotics, which affect generally, mostly children, is dreadful.
And, you know, we see these things going on all over the country, and I think what happens to a lot of these men, especially those who are in higher positions that have been in law enforcement for a number of years, they just get hardened to everything, and they are dealing with criminals for years, and they adapt some of the same approach to life as criminals do, because they're so exposed to them.
And I'm not trying to make excuses for them, but it happens.
It's just like when someone's kidnapped, they find a relationship with the kidnapper so that they can handle it.
And then they branched out when they took India, and then they had the giant Uh, heroin trade going into China, which they had taken possession of.
And most of those shippers who were doing the shipping for them were families from New England and New York who were in the shipping business.
And many of the great fortunes that exist on the East Coast today came from running heroin from India to China for the British.
And that's well documented.
I think people should understand as well that the Central Intelligence Agency, people within that agency, are deeply involved in this thing.
Books have been written for the last 25 or 30 years about the subject.
And there are many, many people who are highly placed in government and close to government who have never been apprehended for what they've done, who have been deeply involved in this.
I'm not going to go in detail on it.
But you see what's going on in the Mexican border.
This is a fight which involves the U.S.
government via the CIA and the Mexican government to take over the drug trade.
This is what it's all about.
And the drug trade is saying, uh-uh, we're not going to let you do that because you're just as big criminals as we are.
So if you want it, you're going to have to fight for it.
And that's what that's all about, and I thought I'd let people know that.
Because our government, the United States, is unbelievably corrupt.
Far worse than anything you could imagine in any country for many, many years.
Well, I think that the sovereign debt problem There's 19 countries that are bankrupt, and that includes the United States and Great Britain.
And I think they're going to have to wind this thing down.
They are using the injection of money and credit into the economy, not only here, but the G20 countries as well.
These are the big countries.
And they have used stimulus in each country.
The stimulus is running out.
This month will be the last month.
The money and credit has been withdrawn to some extent.
If they do not continue, they, the Treasury, the Federal Reserve, the central banks in these major countries, if they don't continue to inject money into the system, one way or another, the system is going to collapse.
And I've said from the very beginning, this didn't happen because there was incompetence or greed.
And so, we don't know when they're going to pull the plug and create deflationary depression.
But it's coming.
And it could come very quickly.
I'm looking at about a year and a half, maybe two years.
And they're going to have to pull the plug because they can't control it anymore.
And they've passed the point of no return.
They cannot go back.
And believe me, they're terrified.
And we have Prove positive of that, of the way that they've gone after people like yourself, and of course me for many years, and they're gonna go after other people.
And anybody that exposes the crimes that they're involved in, whether it's narcotics, or pedophilia, or white slavery, all of these things which they're involved in, Anybody is going to get a lot of heat.
But as the IMF and World Bank documents from 2002 state, as other reports from inside the system admit, they created the derivatives bubble, they intended to implode the economy, but now you're saying they're scared.
I mean, has it gotten out of hand for them?
I mean, if they set all this up, and we know they did, then why are you saying they're panicking and scared?
I don't think they want to go through with it, but they have to.
And so they're trying to devise when they can do it with the least amount of heat.
Now you've seen Greece.
Greece is bankrupt, has been for 10 years or more.
And so they brought it up deliberately to see what the reaction was.
And what they intend to do is to take all the countries that are bankrupt, and there'll be 19 of them, I can assure you.
They're going to bring them all down together.
And that's why I've said in the program before, they're going to have a meeting just like The meetings that were held in the 1970s called Smithsonian, and the Plaza Accord, and the Louvre Accord, they all get together, they devalue all the currencies, and they default on the debt, and they have a deflationary depression, and a war at the same time.
And that's what they're up to, and that's where they're headed, and we're exposing it, and they don't like it, and that's why we're getting heat.
And believe me, if they knew where I was, I wouldn't be around.
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Bob Chapman, speaking of info war, militias are incredibly infiltrated.
We support the militia.
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But I've noticed that Fed-run militias always attack me when I warn other militias they're being set up.
I warned Hatari in August of last year and got attacked for it, saying they're getting ready to set you up.
Out of 400 militias that are public, I called it right because I could see what was happening.
Explain to people going into this month of April your take on how they're going to try to provocateur, or if you agree with me.
Bob, I learned this 14 years ago when I would warn militia people or catch fake militias lying about me, that the Fed run militias, when you warn other militias, they attack you and you're not supposed to warn militias about infiltration.
That is 2 plus 2 equals 4.
Anybody attacking me for warning militias and saying I'm attacking militias and telling lies, obviously they are super suspect.
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Dr. Frederick Whitehurst thinks things are better now than they were a decade ago.
We just now know things are bad, so it seems like it's worse.
I always try to deal with the cold, hard facts that I can see, and what I might be able to back into, knowing the only way you can understand these people, particularly at the upper levels, is understanding the very sophisticated criminal mind.
And if you can understand You know, the next thing that this criminal is going to do, you can stop him.
And we know what they're going to do, the invisible government.
Right there, you've got it right there in the DVD.
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People in $4,000 suits running around robbing the world.
People don't worry about economics and finance if they think their three boys who are over in Afghanistan, Iraq, and, say, Haiti, are going to get killed tomorrow morning.
They're more concerned about that, and that's why they have these wars.
And I'd actually interviewed the reporter who exposed Thule, a Texas drug dealing, and how they had right at half the black population of the town in the jail owned by the local boss hog, and they were planting drugs on him.
And it was Nate Blakeslee.
And then they said, yeah, we've got Dan Winters doing the photo shoot.
And I don't, I mean, I like photography, but I'm not a photography expert or a photography buff.
But I knew the name Dan Winters because he's in the top two or three, four reporters, not just in the U.S., but in the world.
Time Magazine, Newsweek.
I mean, you name it.
This guy has photographed.
You know, all the top politicians, all the top writers, all the top spiritual leaders, Hollywood folks, Brad Pitt, you name it.
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For radio listeners, they can go to danwinnersphoto.com and look at some of these.
And so, I mean, I don't know who top photographers are, but I knew who Dan Winters was.
And then he built a whole stage, a whole set for me out in his place out in the Texas Hill Country.
And then he was telling me, in between the shoots, You know, all these wild stories about different politicians or people he refused to photograph.
And so he's here until the end of the show, end of the hour.
And so we're very, very honored to have him here.
Weatherstan Winters began his career in photography as a photojournalist in his hometown in Ventura County, California, widely recognized for his celebrity Portraits, scientific photography, and photojournalistic stories.
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So he is a photography icon, and he is here with us.
You know, the thing about you and the thing about what you do and what you guys do, I think, is that, you know, it's more than a full-time job to keep track of all this stuff.
And so, you know, the normal Joe goes to work, he comes home from work, he kicks back, he has his beer, he watches Fox News, he doesn't have time to pay attention to this stuff.
And so I've always admired people, regardless of where their position was, that kind of really pay attention to this stuff.
And, you know, I've done, I've dabbled in it, you know, and I think the most kind of almost one of the most sort of insulting or at least kind of patronizing sort of responses that that people give me whenever I talk about these issues is, you know, instantly that you're like demoted to, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist.
Rather than having like an open-minded conversation about something that you've looked into it's like you know I looked into you know flight 93 for example you know I became curious I'm interested in aerospace I heard some of the reports well you know they were making cell phone calls and this and that and I'm like well you know the infrastructure for a cell phone call from 30,000 feet isn't in place and it's You know, I have no idea what happened.
It's neither here nor there, but I question it from like a scientific standpoint.
Like, well, how did that happen?
You know, so I start researching that and I start researching like capabilities in the Eastern Corridor, altitudes that cell phone signals will reach, etc, etc.
And it like doesn't make sense, you know, and then there's all these cell phone or communications experts and technicians and, you know, electronics technicians that you can find online that are saying like, Hey, you know, it's neither here nor there, but I can tell you right now that no one made a cell phone call from 30,000 people.
Well you know you look at it too and you look at the evidence and you look oftentimes what happens is with any crime scene is you know the first responders are the only ones that get any imagery after that it's completely closed off so they made this like ridiculous airplane shaped pit in the ground that had some smoldering embers almost like they put some charcoal in there and ignited it, you know, and the official sort of FBI and they handled it as a crime scene.
So they made this really ridiculous looking airplane shaped crater that was smoldering.
And that was obviously to sort of, you know, to to please the media with some sort of like visual.
And there was this ridiculous diagram that came out that I saw that I wish I had actually brought, that was the official FBI version of how the crash took place and what happened.
And so, basically, what they said is the airplane came down in a straight dive, hit the ground, and the entire plane went under the ground.
Which indicates high altitude, you know, catastrophic failure at high altitude, which indicates a missile, obviously.
You know, it's kind of like, it's the most ridiculous thing.
And once again, you know, my friends instantly, you know, they're like, well, what do you think happened?
What do you think this?
What do you think that?
And I'm like, you know, look.
I don't know.
I don't know why.
I don't know how.
I can tell you, though, that that aircraft didn't hit the ground in one piece.
Because, obviously, you know, an engine isn't going to end up five miles away from a crash site.
You can look at, you know, crash site after crash site after crash site that, you know, that's been investigated by the F.B.A., that's widely photographed, and when a plane, you know, breaks up at altitude, the debris flew, you know, Flight 111 over, you know, in New... Lockerbie.
So, you know, it's one of those things where it's so insulting.
You know, if you do, you know, if you have an open mind, you have an understanding of some of these things, which, you know, I'm interested in these things, and you do two hours of research with existing imagery, You know, it's ludicrous that you would try to be sold that line.
And if you know the structural integrity of an aircraft, once it's compromised, those things are made out of thin aluminum.
They, you know, once it's compromised, those things will, you know, they'll crush so easily, right?
But the engines are these masses, right, of titanium.
They're heavy, heavy, heavy.
They're not going to break up.
You know, it's like if you see any imagery of car bombs in the Middle East, for example.
You know, you have the entire car completely disintegrated, right?
But there's always an engine block sitting there.
That thing does not break up.
You know, it's the one piece that, like, stays intact.
So, you know, when you see, even on the debris field in Flight 93, right?
The debris field's eight miles wide.
There's an engine five miles away.
The photographs of the engine are, the engine is intact.
It's an engine.
So when the cruise missile is what I think hit it, The Pentagon, on either side of that hole, there should have been massive holes, and the windows aren't even broken.
We have hundreds of these big, high-def photos that the government even took, and it's a smoking hole that looks like a perfect missile blast, and everybody smelled cordite.
Then they release some blurry image six years after that doesn't even show anything and say, there's the plane.
And, you know, the other thing, too, is I know a lot of pilots.
I've flown quite a bit in my life.
The idea that, you know, setting up an approach to hit a runway starts 20 or 30 or 50 miles away from the runway.
Because you get into your approach, you set it up, and you go into like a controlled descent, and basically you fly the aircraft right to the ground, right?
So the idea that these guys and, you know, it's precision.
It's precision to hit a runway.
It's precision to hit the end of a runway.
And so you, uh, and so what you do is you, uh, you, you, you take these guys that supposedly, like, took some classes on how to steer an aircraft, and you're trying to sell me the idea that they were able to hit the Pentagon precisely, put it into a, put it into a controlled descent, get into ground effect, and, you know, hit it, like, what, 12 feet above the ground?
They couldn't be that precise with it because, you know, getting into ground effect where you're riding on that air cushion and riding it right into that.
Even when they've had 50, 60 miles to get ready, you come in and only the best pilots can set them down smooth, but still they have to time it just right.
That's why I knew you'd be perfect for radio, because you and I were just, you know, really hit it off when we're talking.
You said you had a lot of friends that were listeners, and I'm just honored to have you here.
And I wanted to talk about some of the interesting stories with celebrities and politicians, and also just get your view on the world, and ask how you became such an awesome photographer.
I think the thing I'm most grateful for in my life is that, you know, every day I get up and I do exactly what I love to do.
You know, I think the majority of the people that are, you know, have an interest, have a hobby, you know, it's an after work enterprise, you know, it can't be parlayed into a career.
Yeah, I don't know, I feel really fortunate about it, but also, on some level, I'm not really surprised by it, you know, because it was always my passion, it was always what I felt like I would do.
Yeah, it's the way you're expressing your passion in the universe.
Someone told me that, said, if you have something to give the universe, the universe will beat a path to your door.
And I really believe that.
You know, it's like, you know, I'm a freelancer, and I've been freelance for about 25 years, and people ask me all the time, like, oh my God, how can you live like that?
You have no idea what you're doing next month, you know?
Don't you want some kind of steady job?
This or that?
And, you know, about 20 years ago, I made peace with it.
I believe in the process.
I put myself out there and I feel like every time I do a job, I'm really respectful and reverent of the fact that the client's trusting me, they're investing their money in me, and I knock it out of the park every time.
And I'm sure you've probably used the quote on your show, probably on more than one occasion, but there's that great quote by Goering.
From the Nuremberg trials that says, you know, the normal people don't want war, but after all, it's not the normal people that are making the policy.
You know, it's the politicians that are making the policy, and it's very easy to bring the normal people along.
All you have to do is convince them that they're being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism.
It works every time.
And that is so true.
You know, the whole idea of questioning anything, I mean, even the fact that You know how contrived the term Patriot Act was you know so it implies that if you like if you resisted at all that oh man you're not patriotic.
Yeah absolutely absolutely what about the I mean talk locally you know what about the the police chief in Austin with the mandatory you know if you refuse breathalyzer The mandatory blood test.
It's unbelievable to me that anybody would stand for that for one second.
I mean clearly, historically, there's been policies that have been administered that have, you know, it's taken a while to get rid of them because you have to go through the appellate courts and to the Supreme Court and then suddenly it's deemed like unconstitutional.
But in the meantime, You know, people are being, and believe me, you know, I think drunk driving is aberrant and I would not participate in it at all, but the idea that you can actually, like, take blood out of someone's body?
Well, they undermine the Bill of Rights and Constitution for a supposed greater good, but we know they're scientifically really just targeting the general population.
It's like Homeland Security, we've got their internal documents, it's really all pointed at the American people from the beginning.
I did a really interesting piece, and I wish I had actually given you the photograph, but I was hired by a magazine to, actually Esquire, and they were doing a piece on FAA and the TSA people and the way they screen, and the guy that was the head of the program within the FAA to test screening.
And he was an ex-Navy SEAL, and his job, he had a small group of individuals, and their job was to breach airport security.
And so what they would do is they'd look for patterns.
They'd go into airport, they'd look for patterns.
They'd do exactly what you would do if you were trying to breach airport security.
You would educate yourself on what it was, on their methods, on their means, and then you would do it, right?
So the whole idea of, like, the TSA screening and stuff, while I agree there should be some kind of, you know, checks and balances for people getting on an airplane, It's such a band-aid.
When we go on jobs, we carry on $25,000 worth of cameras, and we carry them on, and it's a big case full of electronic equipment that no one in the TSA has any idea what they're looking at.
And they'll open it up and they'll kind of look through it and they'll close it up.
Well, we know, and they've admitted, all this TSA, grabbing women's breasts, grabbing men's genitals, putting us through naked body scanners, is to train us to have our privacy violated.
The guy that's being focused on is the head of this rogue entity within the TSA slash FAA whose job is to violate or breach airport security.
What they do is they look for patterns and he came up with this whole method at Kennedy.
Three flights to the Middle East at like four o'clock in the afternoon out of Kennedy and he said we've Watched very closely the way TSA goes through stuff and they basically don't even look at anything this stuff's going on So he said that would be a prime target.
So they make a bomb looking device They put it in a bag and it gets through so he was doing this So my assignment from the magazine was okay Why don't you what we need you to do is we need you to figure out how to take down an aircraft So I said, okay.
So once again, I go online I spend maybe six seven hours researching it and I figure out what kind of explosive to make, how you can make it.
It's not detectable by any of the carbon-based testing methods that the TSA uses.
Folks, shifting gears into another subject briefly, and then we'll continue the story that Dan Winters was telling about this shoot for Esquire.
We're going to get into some other important issues with him while we're scrolling.
Great photos he's taken in the background.
For radio listeners, you'll be able to see this archived at PrisonPlanet.tv.
Charlie Sheen quits Two and a Half Men.
I don't normally get into entertainment news, but this is not really stemming from the problems he's had.
A good friend of mine, 9-11 truther, really smart guy, great guy.
I can just tell you all the stuff you've heard in the news.
It's made up or exaggerated.
His enemies will declare victory, but a year ago he told me he wanted this to be his last season.
Just a few months ago he told me, before the thing happened on Christmas Day, that he probably wasn't going to re-up his TV show.
But here's the New York Post.
See, that's not even true.
I know Charlie.
He wasn't drinking, wasn't using drugs, drinks way too much coffee, and smokes Marlboro Reds.
Season Sheen, who returned to a men's set last month after a stint in rehab, will call it quits after taping his final episode April 9th.
See, that's not even true.
I know, Charlie, he wasn't drinking, wasn't using drugs, drinks way too much coffee and smokes Marlboro Reds.
So I spent a lot of time with him.
But he went to basically a spa so that under the stress he wouldn't go back on alcohol or drugs he'd been off of for years.
So that's a lie here from his enemy the New York Post.
But his spokesman Stan Rosenthal did not deny the report.
Charlie's deal is only through this current season he told people.
So there's the inside scoop here folks.
Charlie quit because he wants to spend time with his family and is sick of eight plus seasons and The New York Post and others are spinning this like it's a problem with his wife, Brooke, who's a nice person, like that's why he's quitting.
That may have been the cherry on top, but there's that info.
Dan, I apologize for digressing off into fluff, but Charlie's my friend.
I wanted to back him up and set the record straight.
Well, you know, everybody's human, and people love to see somebody big in trouble, and even when Limbaugh got caught in stuff worse than what Sheen's involved in, I wasn't sharing his downfall, even though I disagree with him passionately, because I just don't...
I think we love watching people ascend the ladder, but we like watching the ladder fall over much better.
And it's, you know, what I think it is, is I think that, you know, the media and the way the media works and the way publishing works, etc., and I'm a part of it, so I mean, I'd be one, you know, I should be pointing the finger back at myself, but the idea is to create a lure.
to create a lure so that someone feels larger than life.
And I think, you know, we talk about why film and why celebrities, specifically like actors and film, why for some reason it is such a part of our collective consciousness.
And I think it's for that very reason.
You know, I can go see The Hurt Locker and you can go see The Hurt Locker completely separately.
But we have an experience that provides connectivity.
And so you and I both now are connected through seeing that film.
We can talk about it.
We can talk about the issues around it, et cetera.
Well, I think to get to what you're saying right now, too, I think that, you know, I think that when someone gets really angry at someone who's suffering rather than look at it from love and detachment and with compassion, I think it says something about the individual, you know, that's throwing the stones.
You know, he who is without sin, may he cast the first stone.
I mean, to do a biblical quote, it's absolutely spot on.
You know, we are all fallible, we're all failed, we all have our own problems.
I realize several years ago that, you know, the one thing that we all have in common is that we all have problems.
Period.
We all have problems.
And I think our role in life is to try to work through those problems.
Yeah, I only want to bring down people that are hurting masses of innocents and who are consciously Setting people up, consciously hurting others, consciously launching wars, torturing people, betraying.
That's why I hate these politicians.
Bush, of course, and Obama, expanding wars, wiretapping, continuing the torture, continuing the arrest, and watching him use all of this hope that people had put into him against them.
And again, I don't personally hate Obama.
I know he's a puppet who they plan to destroy.
It's just that I realize that the institution itself is just Yeah, the institution.
He seemed like one of those guys you'd want to go out and have a beer with.
He seemed like a totally cool guy.
I believe, truthfully, that when he was campaigning, he has a lot of ethos that he adheres to, that he really believes in.
But I think when you get in that office and the first day that you're briefed, You know, it's all bets are off, you know.
I mean, the first day it was like, we're closing Guantanamo.
And I saw a photograph recently that was the most ironic photograph.
It was a picture of one of the guards or one of the officials at Guantanamo hanging his photo up in the lobby when you come in.
You know, it's the most ironic image, considering, you know, if you've ever been to a military installation, when you walk in the main building, there's the chain of command.
So, you know, you'd walk in a building during Bush's administration, and Bush was in the middle, and then on either side, there were photographs of the chain of command that goes down.
So, at Guantanamo, there's the chain of command, and there's Obama, the photograph of Obama right in the middle.
And you know, once again, I truly believe.
I won't weep when Kissinger drops.
I won't weep when Rockefeller drops.
I don't think honestly anybody will.
And that's really unfortunate that they've lived a life like that.
Okay, the assignment, to get back to it, Esquire was doing a piece on airport security and the idea of, you know, how difficult my assignment was, Dan, research and illustrate how difficult it would be to take down an airliner.
And initially I thought, well, that's kind of an irresponsible job.
It's kind of irresponsible to illustrate that.
But then I thought about it, and I thought, well, it's actually more irresponsible not to illustrate how easy it is.
Because anybody that wants to take down an airliner is going to take down an airliner, period.
You know, they're going to do it.
They're going to do the research required, and they're going to figure it out.
So I started looking into it, and I spent several hours on the Internet.
And I came up with a formula for an explosive that was non-detectable by the screening that's used now, which is all carbon-based detection.
This is a chemical element.
It's got 80% of the destructive power or the explosive force of TNT, and it can be made at your house.
I laugh when I hear that stuff when I'm at the airport, because it reminds me of that Gurin quote.
It's like, you know, keep them in fear.
Keep them feeling like they're being repressed.
Let me get back to the F-square thing.
So I figure out the whole process to do this.
You know, you get three guys.
You have two guys carrying the explosive device in their groin.
Once again, usually, and this might be changing, but usually, even with a pat-down, they don't go right to that area, you know, so you can get that in.
And then you take in a 9-volt battery, some wire, a couple flashlight bulbs.
I used a timer, was a timer off of a dog feeder, right, that I bought at, you know, Academy or something.
And so I took all, the idea is you take all this stuff in independently, which is, it'd all be very easy to get in.
The only thing I thought would be difficult was maybe some duct tape.
So I thought, well, what you'd do is you'd line your entire bag with duct tape, and then you could get it in, and then you could pull the strips off and use it.
But then you go into the little kiosk, you buy a couple bottles of Coke, and you all go to the men's room.
One guy goes into the handicapped stall.
He spends about 15 minutes assembling the thing, getting it all ready to go, puts it on his bag, takes it into the plane.
And then the research further was, well, okay, so he blows it up in the plane, it might compromise You know, the hull, it might do this, it might do that, but it probably wouldn't take it down.
So what you do then, which is also another one of these ridiculous band-aids, is that, you know, once 9-11 happened, they reinforced all the cockpit doors.
You know, they made these Kevlar doors.
You can't get in.
But what they didn't do is they didn't reinforce the bulkhead behind the captain or the co-pilot.
All they did is do a door.
So 757 and a couple other aircrafts have a, in the first class cabin, they have a, a bathroom that immediately backs up against the cockpit.
So you go in there and you detonate it and it's done.
And, you know, this was, you know, six hours of research on my part.
And so the idea is that it's incredibly simple to do this.
Because you wanted to also show people how fake the photo is with the newspaper and the rifle of Lee Harvey Oswald in the front yard where the shadows are all wrong.
Okay, well, we'll show that first.
But we're running out of time here.
I mean, I knew it would be great to have you on the radio because you've got so much knowledge and we're so similar in so many ways in our perspectives.
But, I mean, you were telling me stories, and I don't know if some of them are off record or if you want to tell stories.
But what are some interesting stories about movie stars or politicians or Rick Perry or whatever that you can tell?
The funniest story about Rick Perry, I photographed him twice.
You know, he is the consummate, the consummate smooth guy.
He comes in, you almost instantly have a nickname, he remembers your name, it's this whole politician thing.
You know, and I've been other politicians, you know.
A good friend of mine, Jack Valenti, who just passed recently, he told me, if you don't like Bush, don't spend 10 minutes in a room with him, because you'll love him.
Because he's that kind of, you know, you instantly get a nickname.
You instantly feel like he has that ability to make you feel special, you know.
And, you know, I was offered twice to photograph him.
Newsweek offered me a cover the day after the election, the initial election, when he was first voted president.
And I turned it down because I just fundamentally, like, I fundamentally can't, like, photograph someone.
Well, I had a funny run-in with Rick Perry at a bicycle sports shop.
I went in there to get something, and he was in there, and he was in his bike outfit, and he had his assistants with the big file of faxes and a couple of the Capitol Police with him.
And so I heard him, I was in there, and I was kind of listening, and I heard him talking to his assistant, and he said, like, okay, I'm going to go for a bike ride from 10 to Twelve, then I'm going to meet Bill for lunch, then after that I'm going to do this and go for a run, then I'm going to go sweat, you know, this.
And I'm listening to all this, and as soon as he finished it, I was standing right next to him and I said, uh, you planning on doing any governing today?
Because it sounded like his day was full of recreation, you know?
But, uh, yeah, these guys, you know, most of these guys, and I think the point you brought up about Bush's laugh, my experience with politicians is they don't really know
What they're supposed to do and so they have this kind of fake smile that they throw on and it's you know I photographed Phil Graham one time and I and I and I said I said he kept doing this really bizarre smile and I was trying to get a shot that felt natural like we were talking about earlier you were talking about the idea of how to kind of like capture the essence of someone you know and when they're not taking direction and they're they're they're doing what they think a photograph is supposed to be you know I think a lot of people think like oh great photos of a sunset or something you know it's like
Super passé, but once again a sunset inspires all of us people look at a photo of the sunset and it takes them to that point whatever the most common sort of genre of photographs, but Phil Graham said I said yeah, maybe just relax your mouth Maybe just do something serious, and he said boy.
I worked on this smile for a long time.
I'm gonna smile And it was the more painfully forced smile you could possibly imagine.
I try to, and you know, I think to a certain extent it's like a, I've called it before, I've called it a manufactured intimacy.
And I think the idea behind, you know, the range of human expression and human emotion is so wide that I think what I try to do is I try to capture sort of like usually, except for the case with your crazy screaming photograph, is that, but that's a part of your personality and so that was an accurate representation, I suppose, right?
But the idea is to just try to go to a place that feels pensive, that feels introspective, that feels, you know, quiet.
Oftentimes it doesn't feel like it's, you know, manufactured.
It doesn't feel like it's in genuine, you know, it's it's capturing a moment of that individual.
I would have hoped, what I was hoping is that the screaming photo was by itself with the, my dream would have been the screaming photo was by itself and the typography on one side and then you turned to that photo and then the last photo was the one in the set.
Here, just continue the direction of the flow of the conversation.
No, it's just you were saying, you were talking about how to... Oh, to create a genuine moment and still have it be an accurate representation of what that individual looks like.
Because, once again, you know, people that are really widely known in the news and stuff, it's very difficult to create an image that stands out and that's going to connect to you because you've seen so many of them.
So the idea of trying to create, you know, try to heighten it to the point where it becomes iconic, I guess, ultimately.
And, you know, through the history of photography, there are those single images that represent to everyone.
You know, if I said Lincoln, there are a couple photographs, even though he was photographed, you know, he wasn't actually photographed that many times, like 12 times, I think.
But there are a couple.
You know, there's that one at the end of the war, shortly before he was killed, where you just see how completely decimated he had become from the war.
When we come back, your favorite photograph in the world, or your top three or four, and then we'll look at this fake Lee Harvey Oswald photo with a photographic expert, and a lot more.
He's Dan Winters.
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Well, you know, there are a lot of things wrong with it.
The most obvious thing for me is That the light is coming from his left from an angle and at a pretty low angle in the sky because you can see the shadow coming back from his body at about 10 o'clock.
So that would indicate a light source that's off his axis at about 5 o'clock and so that's inconsistent then with the lighting that's on his face.
The lighting that's on his face, if you'll notice the shadow, Go straight down from his nose.
His eyes, both eye sockets are dark, which indicates also an overhead light source.
So it's clearly a photograph that was staged.
The interesting thing about that is the entire house was cleaned out the day of the assassination by the Dallas Police Department.
Completely, every single thing.
Every dish, every fork, every knife, every sheet, everything.
And then two days later, suddenly someone goes back to the house and supposedly finds the photo in the house.
and brings it in.
So it's clearly a fake photo.
And the thing about it is back then, yeah, they didn't have Photoshop, but what they could do is work at an incredibly large scale.
So they could have made a 20 by 24 print of the person standing in for the image, made a big giant print of a headshot from Oswald that they had, combined them, and then re-photograph it.
And the print that they found was three inches by three inches.
And the thing about it is that the lighting is really inconsistent in those photographs based on, you know, the light source on the moon would be one singular source.
It would be the sun only.
So either you got light on you or you don't.
So the shadows are all pure black and the highlights are all pure white because they're illuminated.
So the problem with, you know, the photograph of Aldrin coming down off the LEM, you know, that entire, it's backlit.
And so the LEM should be black.
It shouldn't be illuminated, but it's illuminated.
It's suspicious, and you know, I've looked in that and watched the documentary, A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, which there's a lot more stuff on there that's really inconsistent.
It was almost part of the same interest I had with the 9-11 stuff with the Pentagon.
Let's show the photo of his father here, and I describe what I got from it, that it's You know, it's almost like the Sistine Chapel where God's reaching down, but also he's old, he's wise, he's strong, but you said vulnerable.