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alex jones
Big multinational king banks want to destroy the economy so they can consolidate it and vertically integrate it.
I want to say great job to the crew here as well.
Before I run out of time with this interview with Ron Paul, don't know if we'll have time for that coming up.
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unidentified
We're on the march, the Empire's on the run.
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alex jones
All right, it's already hour number four.
We're here live on New York Times at 11 a.m., 3 p.m. Central Standard Time.
Back Sunday with an abbreviated transmission, 4 to 6 p.m.
The websites are InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
And we have the one, the only, Dr. Ron Paul, Congressman Ron Paul.
We're going to talk about socialized health care.
People have actually read the subsections.
We have them here.
Total takeover.
He'll be breaking that down.
He's got bills to beat it and to really fix health care.
Auditing the Fed.
We're going to get into that and so much more.
And he's a medical doctor.
We're going to talk about this flu hype.
Trying to stampede people into federalization.
You in control of the level six pandemic.
And a lot more with Congressman Ron Paul.
Congressman, thank you for joining us today.
unidentified
Thank you.
ron paul
Good to be with you.
alex jones
Let's get into the National Socialist Healthcare.
Obama tried to stonewall people and said this is no big deal, but people now read the bill.
You're a medical doctor and a congressman.
Can you tell us what's really in that bill?
ron paul
Well, it is nationalized health care.
It's a pretense that it isn't, you know, completely.
It just means that there's some transition involved.
So their goal is to have one party payer, which means that they control everything.
And there's a lot of other bad things in, too, like this effort to consult with anybody who's over a certain age and talk to them about end-of-life type of procedures.
This bill is just such an outrage.
The American people see it for what it is.
It's going to cost a lot of money.
Their care is not going to be improved.
And that special interest will be served.
unidentified
it.
alex jones
Congressman, when I was talking to you, when we first got you on during that one-minute break, you brought up the rebellion against really both parties, but mainly the Democrats.
Doggett being shouted down, Republican congressman, Delaware congressman, Specter getting chanted down, people saying, we don't want your socialist big government healthcare.
That has got to be exciting when their own constituents are shouting them down.
ron paul
yeah i think that this is different i don't remember seeing that people so angry and they are now but i think what they've discovered is that government is a failure they've been it isn't so much that they're all saints now and they don't want the government taking care of them.
I think a lot of people have come to the realization that you can't trust government.
Government's been promising me all this and they were going to give me all these free things and wouldn't cost anything and not have a good job and would live happily ever after.
They're starting to realize now that it's not so and they're going to end up with a lot of debt and the government can't be trusted.
That's a healthy start.
So it is our job now to fill in the void and tell them what the role of government ought to be so that we can take all this energy and anger and redirect it.
alex jones
Yeah, Exactly, because you have always said that the danger point is that when we come to this crisis, the collapse of big government, they're going to try to make it even bigger and a total tyranny.
We've got to be there beforehand and daring, saying, no, let's get back to the system that's proven to be the most bountiful, the most free, the beautiful system, the great design our founders gave us.
ron paul
Up until now, they've been able to use fear as their best tactic, and whether it's on foreign policy issues, The whole thing would be collapsing, you know, we have to do this rapidly, don't ask...
questions appropriate seven hundred billion dollars and we'll take care of everything so if things get worse they'll say boy this is more reason than ever for the government to take over and of course we still have a threat of martial law coming in because I think they haven't forgotten about that and I don't think that hesitate to use it
alex jones
Congressman, when we come back, I want to talk about the establishment's response, though, to the majority of House members now wanting to audit the Fed and the people getting angry.
Lloyd Doggett and others went on the news and said it was all staged, all fake.
It didn't matter that I found out my neighbor was there and buying groceries at Randall's in South Austin, where I live, and went over and started chanting.
It didn't matter if one of my dad's employees at his dental office was there at the meeting, a Democrat, who was sent the letter and that she was mad at him.
It didn't matter that it was real.
He just says it's fake.
But everywhere, people are saying, no, this just sounds like Marie Antoinette.
Let them eat cake.
ron paul
They'll wake up soon.
I think that this is not going to go away very quickly.
alex jones
Absolutely. We're going to come back and talk more about this.
There they are chanting at Lloyd Doggett.
Hundreds and hundreds of people literally chasing him from the building.
And he says it's staged.
Well, it's not staged.
We ended that segment with video and audio of Congressman Lloyd Doggett, a big collectivist, being booed off the stage at a Randall's grocery store here in Austin.
Now I talked to people that were there.
They said, we don't want this.
He said, I don't care what you want.
I'm going to do it.
I saw him during the cap and trade say, I don't care if I'm getting five to one calls against this.
I'm going to do it.
That seems to be his Well, when we can't do that, it's all over.
ron paul
You know, the First Amendment tells you something about petitioning Congress and having some redress.
alex jones
So, I would say that if they ever get to the point where they want to get rid I
ron paul
don't think there's any doubt about it.
You know, I keep thinking about what our history was like in the 20s and the 30s.
in the 20s and the 30s, early 30s, everything had already shifted intellectually.
But even when Roosevelt ran in 1932, he ran on a conservative platform, the gold standard and balanced the budget, and criticized Hoover for doing all the dumb things.
But the intellectual community had already come to the welfare state and socialism, and that, of course, is what Roosevelt responded
It may well be reversed right now, because now when I go out and talk to colleges and Congressman,
alex jones
what are the tricks up the sleeve of the establishment?
The people don't want socialized health care.
They don't want open borders.
They don't want new wars.
They don't want a private federal reserve that's above the law.
But the establishment, it seems, instead of trying to give an olive branch, seems to be entrenching themselves further.
I mean, you're a well-read person.
I'm sure you know Alabama's announcing they're going to use regular army as their new police force.
It's connected to New York's asking for federal troops.
The Marines in California are running DWI checkpoints.
CNN and Fox are reporting the Army is going to lock down cities and try to carry out forced inoculations.
Now, they're trying to announce this.
I'm not saying they're going to get away with it, but they're certainly saying it.
Martial law was threatened against Congress last year.
They didn't give it to the bankers.
Clearly, NORTHCOM, it appears, is a receivership arm now for the offshore corporations that are trying to Yeah, The regular flu kills 37,000, the CDC says, but they're saying the end of liberty, the end of freedom, forced inoculations because of a couple hundred dead.
Is this an excuse for federal expansion of power?
ron paul
it's pure propaganda.
You know, to get us involved overseas, it's war propaganda on somebody who's going to attack us with a nuclear weapon if we don't go in and invade other countries.
The same way you're domestically scared people.
Most people don't know what you just said, that tens of thousands of people die from flu every year.
And now we have a couple hundred, and they want us to just sacrifice our choices and just say, oh, okay, if you tell us we need a shot, we'll do it.
But, you know, there will come a time when there will be enough of us who will just raise cane.
But the other thing that's happening is the government's running out of money.
There's a limit.
You know, they can have a lot of war propaganda, but if they don't have any money and can't fight these wars, the empire ends.
Same way domestically.
That's why people should be prepared for bad times and survival reasons, know how to take care of themselves, know something about personal health care.
And there probably will always be an underground economy, regardless of how bad it gets, which means there will be, you know, even in the Soviet system, you know, the people who were in the know-how and always ended up with a private doctor.
But let's hope it never gets that bad.
That's the whole thing.
That's what we work so hard to try to prevent.
unidentified
I think that's what we're doing.
alex jones
And I pulled up your quotes from the 70s when you came out and said, we've had a few deaths at a military base.
That, by the way, was triggered after an inoculation.
And then thousands died.
Tens of thousands got sick from the swine flu vaccine itself.
You were proven right then.
How did you know it was a fraud in 76, 77?
And I know you've spoken out against it today.
Can you specifically give us your take on where it's going?
Because it looks like, from my research, Obama is going to use fear over this flu as a political smokescreen and as kind of a false flag or controlled crises so government can grandstand as our savior to push through the carbon tax in the Senate, to push through the amnesty, the gun control, the socialized health care.
That's why you now see Pelosi and others saying, we're going to try this in October.
I mean, do you concur that that It's hard to say, but I think there will definitely be some votes in September and October for them to bring this up.
ron paul
But on the inoculations, the main reason why I was skeptical even in 76 is I don't like the mass treatment of people.
It's just bad medicine.
That doesn't mean that I have an attitude that inoculations are never good.
Matter of fact, I think Bully was truly eradicated by inoculations as well as small parts.
But the question is, should government be making massive decisions?
Under the Constitution, there's not supposed to be any government involvement at all.
But government is inept.
I remember that vote in 76.
It was interesting.
There were two of us that voted against it.
And the other one was Dr.
Larry McDonald.
And I'm sure you remember that name.
But he and I were the only two.
And we were, I think there were three physicians in the Congress.
But the two of us as physicians voted against it, believing it was bad medicine.
alex jones
Yeah.
ron paul
No, I don't plan to do that.
alex jones
Well, I think there'd be a revolt in this country if they did to you or they did to McDonald's.
unidentified
Yeah. Certainly.
ron paul
We will continue the fight.
There is no doubt about that.
But the momentum is on our side.
You know, people have warned me all about taking on the Federal Reserve.
But the momentum is building.
You know, we worry about how much pressure they have and how much authority they have.
But because we've done our grassroots work, we've gotten the large majority of members of Congress to support our auditing bill.
And that didn't come from me persuading the congressman.
That came from exactly what's going on at these town hall meetings, the people being upset.
In this way, I think we harness the energy in the correct way and say, look, there's a problem there.
And one of the problems is they don't tell us what they're doing.
And here we have this secret organization that prints money, spends money outside the budget.
And people have responded.
And that's why we have this 282 members of Congress on it.
I suspect we're going to get more.
Once we hit the 290, which means it will have two-thirds vote, or the 300, right in that area, I think that's the time I'm going to really start putting pressure on the leadership to bring this up.
So far, they're indicating that they'll bring the bill up in a mixture of other bills.
But they might get bogged down.
So I think after we go back there, you may be hearing some announcements on where we want to direct our energies, because we have such great momentum on that issue.
alex jones
And then if the Senate tries to block it with a procedure, that is going to be political suicide, isn't it?
because, I mean, in polls, That will only say, what are you hiding?
Why can't we look at what you're doing?
I mean, did you see Bernanke?
Well, obviously you did.
Sputtering and bumbling around on PBS in Kansas City about why no one can see the books.
I mean, he looked like Sylvester caught with Tweety Bird feathers sticking out of his mouth.
ron paul
Yeah. And you know, what I'm suspecting, and we'll see if I'm right about this suspicion, is I think eventually they're going to use national security as an excuse to keep the books closed.
You know, a lot of times what the CIA does and all these things, oh, national security, you're not allowed to know this.
We can't try this person's national security because they do use funds to get involved in foreign affairs because they can make deals with other governments, other central banks, international financial organizations, and that's the kind of stuff that they don't want us to know about.
So if there's some really big deals going in there and they don't want us to know about it, we'll see.
We'll see if they start talking about, well, some of this stuff you guys should.
No, because that might undermine our national security.
alex jones
OK, Congressman, we've got about 12 minutes left.
I want to move quickly now through a whole host of questions.
For stations, a network break's coming up.
It's our break.
We're skipping it.
The network's not taking it.
Congressman Ron Paul is our guest until 30 after.
Congressman, specifically on the economy, they told us three years ago we weren't in a recession.
Then two years later, they admitted we'd been in one for over a year.
Now they said a year ago, green shoots.
Now they're saying again, the economy's wonderful, we've turned the corner, when every major indicator of joblessness and you name it is getting worse and worse.
Anybody on Main Street knows we're in trouble.
Maybe it's good for bankers getting billion dollar bonuses.
What do you, as an economist, as a doctor, as a congressman, What do you see happening?
What is the data you're seeing?
Is this just more political hype to stall the imploding poll numbers of Barack Obama?
ron paul
Yeah, I think so, and the one group that is doing quite well is that Goldman Sachs group.
I mean, their business is booming, and their profits are booming, and they've lived off the government.
But, no, I think you'll see a little blip upward, and maybe they announce on the news It's a lot of propaganda.
They first want you to be very fearful and get you to go along with what they want to do, and then they turn around and they want to convince you they're doing such a grand job, and they'll tell you everything is wonderful.
But there's a limit to how long they can fool the people.
You know, if you've been out of work, and you don't have enough money to feed your kids, and you listen to this, I've always argued that the people are generally 10 to 15 years ahead of Congress, whether it has to do with foreign policy or the drug war, or now, even on some of these things that they're complaining about now.
And that's why these events are very important to get the attention of the members of Congress, because ultimately, they like their job.
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unidentified
He's fudged since day one in this election.
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If you have a demagogue with a fanatical mass movement of personality cultists who is imposing the program of a group of extreme bankers and finance oligarchs, that's fascism.
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ron paul
That is the purpose, is to find out the information.
Because I've argued that, see, I don't talk about control of monetary policy.
I don't talk about a new monetary system.
I'm talking about transparency and opening up the books and then going from there.
People are upset and angry.
And if these books get open about the time we have prices going up, that will be the inflation tax.
People, you know, they're getting hit.
But not as bad as if you have a CPI going up for 10%, 15%, 20%.
That's when the people are really going to be upset because they've lost a lot already.
People lost a lot in the value of their homes and their stocks.
But what happens if they lose the value of the purchasing power of their weekly paycheck or Social Security beneficiaries?
And that is going to be a big event.
That is something, no matter what the government does, they can't take care of it.
Because the more they go into deficit financing, once the psychology shifts, it's amazing that we doubled the money supply and you didn't have a tremendous shift in psychology.
Gold holds its own and it does go up.
But there will be a point when the psychology shifts and they say, well, we need to help the elderly and the unemployed.
So we're going to double their paycheck because they can't live on what they're getting.
That psychology then is going to be the panic.
alex jones
And then the inflation.
ron paul
What will happen to your currency?
alex jones
So what happens, it could happen overnight, quickly now in the time we've got left.
A question.
Does Dr.
Paul foresee a default on U.S.
debt, a bank holiday, and a quick devaluation of the UDS, much like happened in Argentina in early 2000?
We already see they're having to monetize quite a lot of the debt, the government buying its own debt.
ron paul
I don't think it's going to be one of these things.
In the old days, they had deliberative By
inflating. If they can inflate 50%, they've just defaulted on half of the debt.
alex jones
In the limited time, more and more it looks to me like Obama's going to be a one-term president.
I mean, he's got a record drop in polls for a president seven months into office.
Your take on Obama's political fortunes?
He promised the moon, he's delivering none of it.
What do you see happening?
ron paul
I don't think he'll be re-elected, but I think Yeah, I don't think he's following the Roosevelt pattern, do you?
Yeah, I know.
I think you're right on that.
I think Obama is going to receive some of the blame, and rightfully so.
Not that he created the monster.
You know, the monster was there already.
alex jones
But he certainly works for the same people.
In closing, we've got about 45 seconds.
Holdren's book calling for putting sterilants in the water, having the CPS take all children at birth, and just total scientific dictatorship.
Does it concern you that the White House science czar wrote a textbook on how to carry out world government?
unidentified
Sure it does, but that stuff's been around.
ron paul
I'm just glad people are bringing it to the surface.
alex jones
For these ideas?
ron paul
I would call for an investigation of the whole government all the time because there's too much government, it's too secret.
The more we find out about any of their shenanigans, the better.
alex jones
Congressman Ron Paul, have a great recess.
God bless you.
ron paul
Very good, thanks.
alex jones
Thank you so much.
We'll be right back.
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