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March 19, 2009 - Alex Jones Show

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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Big Brother.
unidentified		Mainstream media.
		Government cover-ups.
		You want answers?
		Well, so does he.
		He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
		And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
		We are live, ladies and gentlemen.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much for joining us today.
		This Thursday, the 19th of March 2009, we're going to be live here for the next four hours.
		We have Dr. Chuck Baldwin, Constitutional Party presidential candidate 2008, who was basically listed as a terrorist leader by the state police.
		Propaganda document put out in Missouri, written by the feds, and that's what the document does.
		Don't let them spin it.
		Also, we've got Commander David K. Robin of the American Legion joining us, outraged by the fact that they're going to make all veterans pay for their own health care.
		Now, that's CNN, ladies and gentlemen, and they put a spin on it and say it's good.
		So basically, you'll have to get your own insurance when your arms and legs get blown off, or you breathe nerve gas, or you get shot.
		You know, more than 15,000 troops have died in Iraq.
		They just changed the rules seven years ago, as they were building up for the war.
		We've now passed the, what, six-year mark for being in Iraq, but seven years ago they changed the accounting rule, kind of like they've changed all the other federal statistics, that were always somewhat fraudulent, but now even more fraudulent, to where if you're not looking for employment anymore and you just dropped out of society, Which tens of millions have done.
		You just are counted as employed.
		Isn't that interesting how they cook the numbers there?
		Well, it's the same thing here.
		You can pull this up.
		You can just Google it.
		The government admits it.
		15,000 plus troops five years in, I haven't looked at it in a year, have died of their injuries since they left Iraq.
		And I mean, they can die on a jet, medical aircraft, flying them to New York City, or to D.C., or to Virginia, or to Rammstein in Germany, and it doesn't count.
		So, when I say 5,000 died in the Obama deception, I'm just going with what they're officially spinning and saying, not even counting the 1,000-plus dead contractors as well, so it's well above that.
		Continuing, we have Stuart Rhodes from Oath Keepers coming on the show.
		This is a group of police and military saying they're going to keep their oaths to not violate the Bill of Rights and Constitution under criminal orders from either the commander-in-chief or their direct commanders in the military and police departments, police chiefs and others.
		So that is coming up.
		We also have Author Jeff Grubb.
		Author of Corporatism, The Secret Government of the New World Order.
		Very interesting professor.
		Joining us in the last hour of the show today.
		Rescheduled him from last week.
		So that's basically what is coming up.
		Okay, massive news.
		Very important news.
		Let me break it down right now.
		House passes mandatory national service bill.
		You heard me.
		It's now going to the Senate.
		They are going to do this.
		They are moving on every front.
		By the way, Obama is going down to Mexico.
		I was listening to him live.
		I gave a speech on the radio this morning to a crowd saying that, well, we're going to fix the illegal alien problem because we're just going to legalize them.
		The American people want to legalize them.
		They just want them to be official and legal and have papers and be in the system.
		And so get ready for that as well, but just off the charts report, PrisonPlanet.com, Paul Watson, House passes mandatory national service bill.
		The House passed a bill yesterday which includes disturbing language indicating young people will be forced to undertake mandatory national service programs as fears about President Obama's promised civilian national security force intensify.
		Watson's being too timid here, like he always is.
		If you read the bill that passed, it says forced service, so I'm going to read it.
		Yes, they have passed it.
		It's going to the Senate right now.
		The Obama administration is now having to admit they engineered the loopholes for the banks with the bailout money.
		Of course they did.
		I mean, Geithner wrote the bailout bill.
		For Paulson, we'll be right back.
		Stay with us.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		The Obama deception completely destroys the myth that Obama is working for the best interest of the American people.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, Obama's already fudging.
unidentified		FUD since day one in this election.
webster tarpley ▲ ● ▼		If you have a demagogue with a fanatical mass movement, a personality cultist, who is imposing the program of a group of extreme bankers and finance oligarchs, that's fascism.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's not about left or right.
		It's about a one world government.
		This film documents who Obama works for, the lies he is told, and his real agenda.
		Get your copy of The Obama Deception today at Infowars.com or download it in super high quality at PrisonPlanet.tv.
		The Obama Deception.
		The people strike back.
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		Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
		Music.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we're jam-packed with guests today, so I'm gonna go right into the news.
		Out of the gates.
		This is up on PrisonPlanet.com.
		This article is of maximum importance.
		We need this to go to the forewinds immediately.
		House passes mandatory national service bill.
		Legislation intensifies fears about Obama's civilian national security force.
		Intensifies fears?
		I mean, when they're marching down the street in massive brigades, will that intensify fears?
		You see, we get accused constantly of exaggerating.
		No, I have to call Kurt Nimmo, Paul, Steve, Aaron, constantly and say, Hey, you didn't put the fact that they added Ron Paul and bumper stickers in this MIAC report.
		I didn't see that in there.
		I can't believe that.
		Read it.
		It's in there.
		It's worse than they say.
		It's worse than this headline says.
		Read the bill.
		We're about to read the bill on air right now that's passed the House.
		And I understand why Representative Jim Guest of Missouri, when he first heard about our story last week, didn't believe it at first.
		He said that on air because it's so Horrifying.
		It's so unbelievable that the government is out of control and as criminal as it is.
		But it's happening.
		It's really going on.
		This is why, if you study criminology, people let con artists in their houses.
		It's why women get in cars with killers.
		Because, oh, he was a nice man.
		He was wearing a suit.
		You know, Ted Bundy.
		The few women that escaped, and finally that's why he got caught, was, oh, he was so clean cut, I couldn't believe a serial killer would be clean cut.
		Most of them are.
		And so because all these politicians are wearing fancy suits up there and have fancy teleprompters and, you know, big curtain backdrops behind them, people get conned.
		It's worse than we can even describe here, ladies and gentlemen, the full spectrum of Deception and disinformation by the establishment media.
		The twisting.
		The boldness of the politician's lies.
		Alright, I'm pontificating.
		Let me get into the article.
		House passes mandatory national service bill.
		Legislation intensifies fears about Obama.
		Civilian National Security Force.
		Paul Watson, PrisonPlanet.com.
		The House passed a bill yesterday which includes disturbing language indicating young people will be forced to undertake mandatory national service programs as fears about President Barack Obama's promised Civilian National Security Force Intensify.
		I mean, why would we be wondering if he's going to do it when his Chief of Staff wrote a book about it, Obama's given a bunch of speeches, Rahm Emanuel has, it was on change.gov, we exposed it and they pulled it, saying mandatory service for middle school, high school, college, adults, seniors, I mean, we got a screenshot of it, it's right there, it's in Obama Deception!
		People are like, maybe Alex is right.
		Maybe they are planning to put troops on the streets.
		They've announced they're doing it.
		It's already happening.
		They're announcing world taxes and world government.
		Yes, it's all true.
		It's all real.
		Can we stop the denial?
		And do something about it instead of debating all day whether it's happening or not.
unidentified		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm gonna read this bill.
		The Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act.
		Remember, compulsory volunteerism, another doublespeak term.
		Just like the Patriot Act's unpatriotic.
		You know, just everything is a doublespeak term.
		The New Freedom Initiative, where the government wants to put half the kids on drugs in their own documents.
		It's new freedom!
		Don't you love these terms?
		The Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act, known as the GIVE Act.
		Give! What do we have, Benny Hinn is the president?
		The Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act, known as the GIVE Act, was passed yesterday by 321 to 105 margin, and now goes to the Senate.
		And the Senate's usually worse along these socialism-fascism lines, so it looks like it's gonna pass.
		Get ready, folks!
		Under section 6104, under section 6104, Of the bill entitled Duties.
		A duty is what you got to do.
		That's why it's called a duty.
		In subsection B-6, the legislation states that a commission will be set up to investigate whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed.
		That's a quote.
		Mandatory. Now, you know, in Australia and everywhere else, this is how they introduce it.
		They go, oh, it's just a test of the National ID Cards or the REAL ID Act, and then they force it down your throats.
		Oh, don't worry, if you don't like it, don't worry, it's just a test.
		Or, don't worry, we're going to ban most websites in Australia that you can visit and have Chinese-style net censorship.
		That's the government's quote.
		But it's just a test.
		And then two months later, they're saying, ah, it's going to be permanent.
		So don't worry, we're just looking at mandatory service.
		We're just seeing how we can do this in a workable fashion.
		Well, they've already said how they're going to do it.
		They've been setting it up for 20 years.
		It's called SecureCorps, a division of AmeriCorps.
		And they've got pilot programs from Illinois to Pennsylvania to Texas to California, where they turn the entire school into a government-run military academy for boys and girls.
		And the kids are told, you can't own guns, you can't shoot guns, your parents are bad, Second Amendment's bad.
		But then, oh, would you like to go to the shooting range with M16s?
		Oh, you can't have that, but if you're with the government, you can.
		Here, M16s.
		And then right out of high school, they're gonna go into the brigades.
		You can go read the Philadelphia Daily News article from six years ago, where they laid it all out.
		And it said in the article, They had the high school students training with M6 teams and training with the SWAT teams and Army on how to go door-to-door and do cordon operations, locking down cities, and how to do fugitive apprehension.
		That is Philadelphia Daily News.
		You cannot make this stuff up.
		They've beta tested, they're getting ready to roll it out, and now you're slack-jawed, Drug-head, know-it-all, video game players, who've been playing all these violent games, who've all been primed for this, they're going to love their new authority through the government, and they're going to be running around in their uniforms, and they'll come to the dinner table at night and boss you around, and, hey mom, hey dad, I'm with the Hitler youth now.
		I mean, this has been done everywhere, and this is the...
		Mao did it, Hitler did it, Stalin did it, Lenin did it, Pol Pot did it, Fidel Castro did it, this is the most stinking Out-of-control tyranny you can get.
		I just want to tell all the young snot-nosed punks.
		Don't try running a checkpoint with me.
		Don't try coming up and tasering me.
		I just can't handle it anymore.
		I can't handle the scumbag bankers robbing this country, and the classical tyranny they're setting up, and the dumbass public that doesn't know that tyranny's looking down the barrel of a gun at them.
		I'm sorry, I'm just getting angry, folks.
		I just...
		It's just really starting to get to me.
		Under section 6104 of the bill entitled Duties, it says a fair and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all abled young people could be developed.
		And they admit this is a military draft for a million-person domestic military, and it says in the...
		I need to...
		I can't remember the exact code.
		It was 1,014.5.
		Hey guys, Google this for me right now.
		Google this because I can't talk in Google.
		And then print it for me.
		It's in the Obama Deception.
		It's not even a bill.
		Pentagon just said they're doing it.
		Headline. Pentagon announces or Pentagon launches new civilian force.
		PrisonPlanet.com.
	Pentagon launches new civilian force.
	PrisonPlanet.com.
	Print that for me.
	Please, so I can give people the actual code on that.
	Okay. Section 120 of the bill also discusses the youth engagement zone program and states that service learning to the public schools will just be complete drone brainwashing indoctrination camps now, re-education camps.
	Section 120 of the bill also discusses the youth engagement ... zone program, and states that service learning will be mandatory part of the curriculum in all of the secondary school's service by local educational agency.
	But see, that's federal funding.
	They call it the new Obama Doctrine, the new Obama curricula, curriculum, and it's happening.
	The legislation states it's slated to cost six billion, over five years would create 175,000 new service opportunities, They're going to pay them, too.
	So then we'll say, well, it's not really service.
	You have to do it, but we're going to pay you.
	That's like a draft under AmeriCorps.
	But here's the key.
	In that Army code announcement, they say, million-person Army, and that service will not be voluntary.
	It will be mandatory.
	And that, yes, they will decide whether you stay here domestically as part of the occupation force or whether you go overseas.
unidentified		It says it in the bill!
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And it says it in the code.
		Did you find it?
		Call Paul Watson.
		He'll know the exact headline.
		I have to have that right now or people won't believe it.
		Thank you.
		I mean, it's Pentagon announces new civilian force.
		That's the headline.
		Pentagon announces new civilian force.
		PrisonPlanet.com.
		It'll come up.
		The legislation is slated to cost six billion over five years, it goes on.
		Under AmeriCorps, bringing the number of participants in the National Volunteer Program to 250,000.
		It will also create an additional Corps to expand the reach of volunteerism into new sectors including a Clean Energy Corps, Education Corps, Healthy Future Corps, and Veterans Service Corps.
		So they're going to have the military.
		When you get out of the military, you'll be domestic military.
		And expands the National Civilian Community Corps.
		That said, he's got a link to it.
		To focus on additional areas like disaster relief and energy conservation.
		And then he's got links to the mainstream news reporting all this.
		The Senate is also considering a similar piece of legislation known as the Serve America Act, which also includes language about youth engagement zones.
		Here's about Obama's plans to create involuntary servitude.
		We're first stoked in July 2008 when Obama told a rally in Colorado Springs, we cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we have set.
		We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.
		And it just goes on from there.
		Now, that's big news.
		I'm going to cover it more with Chuck Baldwin.
		But, but, first, when we get back, they've been caught with their pants down on this issue of the loopholes on the bailout money.
		Uh, going into people's bank accounts.
		The robbery going on.
		So we'll tell you about that.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		In the New World Order's war against humanity, Barack Obama is the tip of the spear.
barack obama ▲ ● ▼		We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		The Obama deception completely destroys the myth that Obama is working for the best interest of the American people.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, Obama's already fudging.
unidentified		He's fudged since day one in this election.
webster tarpley ▲ ● ▼		If you have a demagogue with a fanatical mass movement of personality cultists who is imposing the program of a group of extreme bankers and finance oligarchs, that's fascism.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's not about left or right.
		It's about a one-world government.
		This film documents who Obama works for, the lies he is told, and his real agenda.
		Get your copy of The Obama Deception today at Infowars.com or download it in super high quality at PrisonPlanet.tv.
		The Obama Deception.
		The people strike back.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They will announce carbon taxes after hyping up the earth dying, everything's being destroyed, carbon dioxide's deadly poison, the polar bears are grounding, all these lies.
		And then they'll have the federal government proposed satellite tracker boxes in all cars, taxes on your homes, taxes on literally every product out there.
		Just thousands and thousands.
		And it just expands on from there.
		And then he'll come out and say, oh, we're not doing that.
		It's a conspiracy theory.
		We have no plans to do that at this time.
		Obama came out two weeks ago and said, we're going to make veterans of all wars, including the current one, get their own insurance and then pay for their own health care.
		CNN reported it, AP, everybody.
		And they put the spin on it.
		Oh, it's good.
		We need to do that.
		Oh, he's so good.
		Because we told you, this isn't a socialist, and socialism is bad enough because it makes you dependent.
		They're already done with the socialism phase, domesticating us.
		The only socialism is taking all our money and giving it to the bankers, and that's fascism.
		You know, they take 9.7 trillion, and then a couple hundred billion comes back to the states with strings attached.
		That's their socialism.
		Their socialism is saying, no healthcare for the troops.
		Their socialism is saying that cities all over are cutting health care for police and firemen and city workers.
		That's your socialism.
		You see, tyranny is about robbing us.
		That means every stinking one of us, except for a few thousand elite.
		Comprende. We comprehend that.
		Here it is.
		It says, Obama changes course on veterans health care.
		President Obama has reversed course on a plan to have the private health insurance of veterans pay for health care.
		White House spokesman Robert Gibbs issued a statement Wednesday saying the proposal had been floated.
		This is WhiteHouse.gov in his briefing room page.
		Quote, maximize the resources available for veterans as well as keep costs down for Veterans Administration.
		Gibbs said that after consulting with several leaders, the president now believes the move could affect the ability of veterans and their families to have access to health care.
		Really? Who would have thunk it?
		Now, they will go ahead and ram this through.
		They're gonna go ahead and they've almost made it impossible for veterans to get anything other than pills.
		Any real surgeries, you name it.
		And they've got people that don't even have real, you know, proper medical licenses from Indian places.
		I'm not saying they don't have some real medical schools over there.
		Very smart folks.
		Just as smart or smarter than Westerners.
		Top scientists.
		Point is, they have a lot of quack schools over there like Mexico does.
		And there's a bunch of quack doctors that's come out in the news.
		People don't even have real medical degrees.
		You know, cutting off the wrong leg or leaving tools inside people.
		You know, Russian doctors, you name it.
		So, that's going on, and so they'll just make it very hard for you to get health care, and then say, you just need to have your own insurance.
		Okay? That's how this works.
		So, as huge opposition mounts when they introduce it, they then back off, and then they'll be right back in a month with it again.
		And then they'll deny they ever said it again, and then they'll come right back with it again.
		And then about the third or fourth time, they'll go ahead and do it.
		They'll just get you sick of talking about it and get you acclimated.
		Every time the outrage grows to a crescendo that's about to spill out and actually hurt the establishment, they back off and say, we never said that, or, well, we're not going to do that now.
		And they come right back with it after, see, they don't want you to organize.
		And so as people start organizing against this, they go, okay, we're not doing it now.
		Organization falls apart, they're right back.
		Kind of like the Associated Press a month and a half ago.
		Headline, Trans-Texas Corridor, part of Napa Superhighway grid, is dead.
		TxDOT says, and the Department of Transportation federally say, and then three paragraphs down it said, actually we're doing the entire program of seizing the roads and putting toll roads on them.
		We're just not going to call it Trans-Texas Corridor anymore.
		See how that works?
		I mean, this is why the public is fooled.
		Because they don't even understand there's a couple dozen tricks the establishment plays.
		And I was flipping through radio this morning, XM and AM and FM, and I would listen for about a minute to each news station.
		CBC, BBC, Fox, POTUS.
	You know, just I was flipping, flipping.
	It was just all propaganda.
	Everything I tuned into.
	Propaganda, propaganda, propaganda, propaganda, propaganda.
	All elaborate spin packages.
	And it's simple.
	The feds and their PR firms now spending Close to a hundred billion a year on domestic propaganda.
	Tens of billions a year on Pentagon propaganda.
	And they buy everybody.
	Hollywood, the rock stars, all out there pushing their propaganda.
	And they just play these little spin games over and over and over again.
	And so every week the big talking points come out.
	It's put out by the PR firms.
	The lazy reporters just regurgitated on the news.
	NPR, everything, just lies, lies, lies, lies, spin, deception.
	Tricks! Alright, when we come back we got Chuck Baldwin on, but I want to get to this first.
	Why don't we come back.
	Senator Dodd admits...
	Adding bonus provision to stimulus package.
	We have you, Dodd.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right, we are back live.
		Chuck Baldwin, pastor, synagogue, columnist, author.
		Great mind, Dr. Chuck Baldwin, constitutional party presidential candidate.
		Got massive votes for a upstart party.
		It's been around for years, that's what the media called it.
		I want to get his take on a lot of things, including Senator Dodd admits adding bonus provision to stimulus package while he was the guy bad-mouthing it and blaming it on Republicans.
		And we're not defending Republicans.
		They were a party to it.
		The point is, they're all controlled by the same people.
		And then, meanwhile, Dodd is now blaming Obama administration for bonus amendment.
		Well, yeah, because the bonus amendment mirrors the executive order.
		So when you see Obama going, we're going to get these people, his administration is literally run by the people that engineered the current banking system.
		Bush just continued it, just as guilty, but he wasn't the author of it.
		It's just so outrageous, the level of their lies, but it's being exposed, it's coming out.
		And by the way, this is what the Obama deception covers.
		We go over all of this in the film.
		Not just his lies, but the real agenda from their own documents.
		We show video clips of them saying one thing and then doing another.
		Let's go ahead and go to Chuck Baldwin.
		Chuck Baldwin, good to have you here with us.
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		Alex, thank you very much for letting me come on your show.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
		I am fired up today.
		What about you?
		I'm seeing Liberty, the awakening to tyranny exploding.
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		Well, this Missouri fiasco, I think, is illustrative of what we're dealing with here.
		Whenever you can categorize people who vote for myself or Ron Paul or even Bob Barr as potential domestic terrorists and make that part of an official state police agency report, we are in deep doo-doo.
		There's no doubt about it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's the main reason we got you on, but there's a host of other issues I want to go over with you.
		But let's cover that first.
		The MIAC report, I've had a state rep on to confirm with the head of the state police.
		On the phone, it's real.
		We called the state police.
		We put their names out in the article.
		People still couldn't believe that this was real.
		They thought I made this up, Chuck.
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		No, you didn't make it up, but I thank you for reporting it.
		Now, of course, it's all over the media.
		Even Rush Limbaugh talked about it the other day.
		Uh, the Missouri State, uh, papers have been carrying it quite a bit in the last couple of days, as you can imagine.
		And, uh, this thing is now beginning to get a life of its own.
		Uh, thank you, Alex, for helping to break this story.
		Uh, whoever that police officer was in Missouri who first contacted you, uh, he's a real hero.
		I don't know who he is, but, uh, uh, he sure did, uh, a great, uh, service to his country by alerting the public as to what is going on behind the scenes in the police department there in the state of Missouri.
		This thing is unbelievable.
		I mean, to categorize voters of Ron Paul, supporters of Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, Bob Barr, as potential domestic terrorists, not to mention the fact that if anyone opposes certain things, and I listed that in my column that I put out earlier this week, if someone opposes, for example, the New World Order, if they oppose the United Nations, gun control, The violation of Posse Comitato.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		R.F.I.D.!
		R.F.I.D.!
		They're part of In the Fed or the Liberty Committee or the Constitution Party.
		And they say, oh, these groups are bad, too.
		They have soup kitchens and try to work with the local police, talking about your group and others.
		And they say, but secretly, they've got cell groups and they're really terrorists, too.
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, anybody that opposes any of the above, abortion on demand, illegal immigration, etc., is a potential domestic terrorist, a potential threat to the police forces there in the state of Missouri.
		Can you imagine what the firestorm would be if, instead of Bob Barr, Ron Paul, and myself, had, let's say, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton been named, with the insinuation that people who support these individuals may be considered domestic terrorists.
		Can you imagine what the mainstream press would do with something like that?
		And yet this is exactly what that report says there in the state of Missouri.
		We have sent, the three of us, Ron, myself and Bob, have co-signed a letter to the governor and to the respective parties in Missouri demanding that they repudiate this report and apologize to the supporters of those who voted for us.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Chuck, let me stop you.
		This is big news and of course we broke it here.
		I have the original, actual report here in my hot little hands right now.
		Specifically, what did Limbaugh say about it?
		A, and then B, where is a copy of this letter?
		I would like to publish it right now up at Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		Okay, the letter, I have a copy of course in my possession as does Bob Barr.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Will you do me a favor and scan it or email it over and we'll post it and put a link over to your site?
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure we can do that.
		As to what Limbaugh said, I really don't know exactly what he said I didn't hear.
		I very seldom listen to Rush Limbaugh, but I've had several people call and tell me that he did bring it up on his programmers, or maybe a caller did, and they did talk about it for a few minutes.
		The point is, is that it's beginning to spread around the country.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know it was in the newspapers, yeah.
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		The newspapers and talk radio, of course, are the ones that are breaking the story right now.
		You were the first one to break it, as far as I know, and again, I thank you for that.
		But this is incredible, and the thing about it is, law enforcement agencies often share this kind of information.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		uh... with each other no sir all fifty states have this i actually have been from other states uh...
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		just state police have asked me not to publish the copies they've got because they're scared and i've gotten many similar reports i've seen a texas report on the same style letterhead a few years ago it just wasn't this egregious listing on paul yourself and others correct as far as i know this is the first report of such as this that has actually named names you know that they did this back in the nineties uh...
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		would jennarino Uh, was there in the Clinton White House.
		And, uh, but they did some of the same, you know, kind of insinuations and broad brushing and so forth.
		But they didn't actually name names.
		But here we are now in 2009 and they've actually named Chuck Ball and myself, Bob Barr, and Ron Paul.
		And saying the supporters of those of us who ran Bet last year as an independent party ticket are somehow considered dangerous and a potential domestic terrorist.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well I need to get Ron Paul back on.
		I don't like to bug him because he's so busy, but last Wednesday when we broke this, Thursday I got calls from listeners saying, well we called Ron Paul's office, of course it wasn't Ron Paul, he hadn't heard about it yet, and they're saying it can't be real, and so I had to explain to them, send them to the site, and I said, like I'm not going to call Ron at home, I've got his home number, but I said, give this to him, We don't make stuff up.
		You know that, right?
		And they said, no, no.
		We all know you and like you, Alex.
		I said, good.
		It's real.
		The state police officers' names are there.
		Call the number for yourself.
		Confirm it's real.
		Because I got slapped around for three or four days, and folks are still saying I made this up, Chuck.
		It doesn't matter if the state police and state reps say they talked to the head of the state police.
		You know, they're still, the establishment's still trying to deny this.
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible, because all anyone has to do is call the toll-free number and talk to the state officials there in Missouri, and they won't deny it one bit.
		In fact, they will defend...
		They'll just say that it's been misconstrued and people are...
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we've played recordings of it.
		Yeah, no, we've even played recordings of them on air.
		People say that's not real.
		Yeah, I mean...
		Yeah, go ahead.
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		They don't deny it, but they don't deny it, is my point.
		I mean, they will readily admit that it's legitimate, and for the most part, they stand behind it.
		Uh, as far as Ron Paul, you're right.
		At first, you know, I'm sure that the people in his office didn't probably believe it.
		When I first heard the story, it was somebody, you know, told me, said, hey, have you heard the story coming out of Missouri?
		And I said, oh, no, they didn't.
		They didn't do that.
		I mean, that's the first thing you think about.
		But then whenever you start to look at it closely and you realize, hey, this is real, this is not make-believe, then you can begin to do something about it.
		And of course, this letter that we have co-signed, Bob Barr, Ron Paul, and myself, And I'm sure by now he's on the way to the governor's office there in Missouri, in which we give him three days to come out and repudiate this document.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Chuck, do you have the letter in front of you, the informed presidential candidate?
		I do, I do have the letter.
		I'm going to sit back here.
		Will you read that on air, please?
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		It's a little over two pages.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead, read it.
		Yeah, let's read it.
		It's important.
		First time here, exclusive.
		Go ahead.
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		Dear Governor Nixon, the three of us write you as former presidential candidates, as concerned citizens, and in the case of Ron Paul, as a sitting member of the U.S. House of Representatives, and Bob Barr, as a former member, 1995 to 2003.
		We bring to your attention the most disturbing document being circulated by the Missouri Information Analysis Center, MIAC, over the seal of your office and your name as Governor.
		We respectfully demand that the following described document be immediately removed from any and all websites associated with or maintained by the state of Missouri or any agency thereof, including the MIAC.
		That the said document no longer be circulated by the state of Missouri or any agency thereof or associated therewith.
		That the state of Missouri repudiate its references to the three of us as contained therein.
		The document to which we refer is identified as follows in a copy and closed therewith.
		And, of course, it's the MIC Strategic Report dated 220-09, and it's entitled The Modern Militia Movement.
		Four names appear on the mast of this document.
		Jeremiah W.J.
		Nixon, Governor, John M. Britt, Director, DPS, James F. Keithy, Colonel, MSHP, and Van Godsey, Director, MIAC.
		The aforesaid report is imprinted at the bottom of each page thereof with the following designation, unclassified, law enforcement sensitive, close quote.
		people opposed to gun control, those who do not favor the Federal Reserve Banks, and much more.
		Were the report nothing more than a nonsensical diatribe penned by some uninformed person, we would certainly not take our time writing this letter.
		Although we might respectfully suggest you might want to question why such nonsense is of interest to and being disseminated by an agency connected to Save Missouri.
		Our concern, which we believe warrants your attention over, is found at the top of page 4 of this document, after the heading Political Paraphernalia, as follows, quote, Campaign for Liberty or Libertarian Material.
		These members are usually supporters of former presidential candidates Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, and Bob Barr.
		If it is the intent of the state of Missouri to link these three, excuse me, to link three legitimate former candidates for the office of the President of the United States, who also happen to be a sitting member of the U.S. House, a former member of the U.S. House, and a Baptist minister, then this document clearly does so.
		and this is the basis for our demand that the document be removed, its distribution, and any actual implied or adoption by the State of Missouri stop.
		If it is not the intent of the State of Missouri to make such a link or implication by and through the appearance and distribution of this document, then we similarly demand the document be removed from any and all websites maintained by or associated with the State of Missouri or any agency connected therewith that the State issue an immediate and unequivocal repudiation of the document.
		In view of the fact that there are indeed real criminals present in Missouri, and many legitimate matters of public safety on which you're office, the Department of Public Safety, the Highway Patrol, and even the MIAC, should focus their attention on resources.
		We respectfully assert that spending any time, resources, or effort on the nonsense contained in or about this MIC strategic report constitutes an irresponsible and inappropriate use of official resources.
		We stand ready to discuss this matter with you at your convenience.
		However, the action respectfully demanded in this letter is requested within three days of your receipt of this letter.
		In the meantime, with kind regards, we are virtually yours, Ron Paul, member of Congress, Republican candidate for president 2008.
		Okay, I would just add to that that they start out with a page listing cop killers.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And then they demonize the militia, connecting it to that.
		Then they connect violent militias, which basically don't exist and are constitutional, you know, the non-violent ones, to basically the majority of the American people.
		Pro-Second Amendment, pro-sovereignty, pro-border, just you name it.
		They basically say, people with these bumper stickers are dangerous, they may put a hole in you.
		You know, that's the totality of it.
		And it's a guilt by association, broad-brush demonization, and it's slander and libel of the highest order, and that's why they kept it secret.
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		And if they do not repudiate this forthwith, I feel confident that there will be legal action in suit.
		And I can tell you this too, that the Constitution Party and hopefully the Libertarian Party in the state of Missouri are likewise sending off similar letters With just those exact implications in mind.
		In other words, the letter that we wrote was representing the three of us, because we were named.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Tell us how this letter got written.
		You've got Bob Barr, Ron Paul and yourself on the phone.
		The Declaration of Independence was supposedly written by a bunch of people, but we know it was mainly written by Thomas Jefferson.
		Who was the Thomas Jefferson writing this letter, or the three of you?
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		I think it was primarily Bob Barr.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so Bob Barr is the Thomas Jefferson here in this, but you guys, you and Ron Paul, Congressman Paul and yourself, Dr. Baldwin, agreed with this.
		Did they, in the conversations on the phone, talk about carrying out legal action themselves if this isn't repudiated?
		Because, you know, I'm glad you guys are doing this.
		You have to.
		This endangers the tens of millions of Ron Paul, Bob Barr, and Chuck Baldwin supporters and fans.
		uh... and uh...
		and when we've got confirmed reports on video police pulling people over for ron paul bumper stickers in las vegas in places uh...
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		so this is dangerous well absolutely i mean this you know it talk about the essence of freedom this is the essence of freedom of whenever uh...
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		state police agencies began pulling people over for political opinions and that's exactly what but this is it if you support bob barge up all around paul that's a political opinion That's what the report is, for those that don't know, and I'm keeping it running because it's key.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		This is given, they say, MYAC report is for them when they pull people over.
		This is to profile.
		This is for harassment.
		Go ahead.
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and so when we start profiling people because of political thought, political ideology, I mean, this is what they did in Nazi Germany, what they did in Stalin's Russia, Mao's China, the whole nine yards.
		You know, your identification with a particular thought or particular idea means that you are a threat to the state.
		That is the antithesis of everything that this country was founded upon, and if we don't stand up and resist this now, it's only going to grow.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely. Chuck Baldwin is our guest.
		I have the head of the VFW coming on at the 8 After, but we'll have Chuck with us until then.
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		You cannot make this stuff up.
		Chuck Baldwin is our guest.
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		Dr. Baldwin, I forgot to give you the email.
		It's robd as in do, robd at Infowars.com.
		I would love for you to send us that email right when you get off the air in about 10-15 minutes and we'll do a story on it.
		Very, very exciting to see you guys standing up and fighting back.
		But I go back to the question we ran out of time.
		Talking to Ron Paul, talking to Bob Barr, are they saying that they may do legal action if this is not reversed and retracted?
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		I think I can safely say that the sense of each of us is that this is serious enough that if the state of Missouri does not respond appropriately, Uh, that we should consider legal action.
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		I, I think that is certainly a consideration right now.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So that was discussed?
		Yes. That is, that is very important news right there.
		Good, because instead of putting up with the Southern Poverty Law Center and the ADL, who go after, you know, groups that are obviously bad and are constantly mixing good people in with it.
		I'm sick of this slander and they've lost lawsuits before, uh, over this.
		And, uh, now the police are putting this out secretly.
		This is outrageous.
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		It is outrageous, and it threatens the liberty of every American.
		I hope that your listeners understand that even though they may not have voted for myself or Bob or Ron Paul, or perhaps they don't live in Missouri, that this doesn't affect them.
		But the fact of the matter is, this affects every single American citizen.
		When police agencies can begin to profile Americans on the basis of what they believe, we are in serious trouble.
		We don't have freedom if we don't have the freedom to think, the freedom to speak, the freedom to express our ideas and our convictions publicly.
		When we don't have that freedom, without being considered an enemy of the state or a domestic terrorist, however you want to say it, we don't have the most basic fundamental freedoms in this country.
		And that's what's at stake for every American.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is a chilling effect.
		I mean, this is a Soviet Union, Nazi Germany.
		This is classical tyranny to have the police turning into secret police with these reports, demonizing the very people that are defending the Republic.
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and think about it, you know, the people that they mentioned there, you know, Bob Barr, the Libertarians, Chuck Wall in the Constitution Party, Ron Paul, the, you know, if you want to say the Constitutional Wing of the Republican Party, you know, these are the people that, for the most part, are the most adamant defenders Of the Constitution, of freedom, of the very principles that the law enforcement personnel around the country are sworn to protect.
		Let's remember that every law enforcement officer in the country takes an oath to the Constitution, as does every military officer, of course, every public official.
		So, you know, and we are the ones who are promoting the law that each of these law enforcement personnel have sworn to protect.
		I mean, if there's any group of people that they should appreciate, it should be the people that are trying to support and defend the Constitution that the law enforcement personnel have sworn an oath to.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And they might as well list Lou Dobbs in here, because the whole document looks like a Lou Dobbs CNN TV show.
		I mean, the North American Union, the SPP, RFID, tracker chips, the Second Amendment.
		I mean, they just demonize everything that this country stands for.
		Absolutely, yeah.
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		This document is treason.
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		They should.
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		They should have mentioned Lou Dobbs, because how often does he talk about many of the things that you just listed there?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Chuck Bolden, I'm going to talk a little bit more about this for five more minutes if you can do it, and then...
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		Alex, I gotta go.
		I got another interview at 12 o'clock straight up.
		I'm sorry.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I didn't know that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, you, right now, during the break, send me that letter so I can post it.
chuck baldwin ▲ ● ▼		I'll do that as soon as I get off my next interview, Alex.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let me say bye to you during this break, then Chuck Ball will have to have you back up next week for a full hour.
		Well, I want to fire out your website.
		I'll do that after the break.
		Hold on.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You can just Google Chuck Baldwin, find all his sites.
		We're gonna get back up in the near future.
		He had to go because of another radio interview.
		But look at how we broke this major news story, because state police officers sent it to us.
		Actually, two of them did.
		One in California, one in Missouri.
		It's the one in Missouri that doesn't want to come on air.
		The state police officer in California is saying he will come on.
		He's gonna be on.
		We may even get him on later in the hour, because he said a few days ago he would come on any time.
		And I guess we just hadn't set him up yet for some reason that escapes me, because I want him on immediately.
		Immediately. I had a state rep on yesterday who talked to the head of the state police in Missouri, Jim Guess, representative of Missouri, and they admitted it was real, it's really going on, demonizing all these people.
		And I want Paul Watson, Kurt Dimma, whoever, to go ahead and Chuck says in 30 minutes he's going to send me that email.
		He's got to finish the interview first and send it.
		We're going to get that up on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com, but I would just go ahead and have Paul Watson do a couple paragraph blurb about, you heard them say, that he talked to Ron Paul, they are considering litigation, and Bob Barr.
		Bob Barr, Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, considering litigation if this isn't retracted, and they've sent a letter, the letter has been sent.
		Go ahead and get that article up, and then we'll post the letter in it.
		I don't want to wait here.
		So launch the operation immediately.
		Folks, you don't realize how much power the American people have.
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		A lot of people don't understand the effect we're having.
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		We are standing in the crossroads of history.
		We can take on the New World Order.
		We can get a reprieve like Nineveh with Jonah.
		You know, but the phony, bought-and-paid four churches under the faith-based initiative, tens of billions a year, under federal control, are telling people, stand down to corruption, stand down to tyranny.
		Obama's basically God.
		They told their people Bush was basically of the Lord.
		Well, we've posted what they teach in the sermons.
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unidentified		I talked to his wife.
unidentified		He's in the bathroom.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You talked to his wife?
		Let's get the state police officer on at 40 after if we can do it.
		After I talked to the VFW guy.
unidentified		Okay, okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're on air right now, you know that.
		So, I mean, we're having an open discussion right now.
		It's alright.
		It doesn't matter.
		The main thing is he sent us that letter he wanted us to publish.
		That's what they'll catch him, find out who he is with.
		Okay? So, let's just get the Missouri officer on.
		Okay? But let's do it now.
		And just tell him...
		You know, it's his First Amendment right to talk about what he thinks of this.
		And we'll just leave it at that.
		Okay? She said he'd do it.
		Just get him on.
unidentified		Okay, thanks.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		This is the battle command station here, ladies and gentlemen.
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		Then get the Missouri State Trooper on.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		He was ready to do it a couple days ago, and I didn't know he was ready.
		Now, I don't want any cold feet here, ladies and gentlemen.
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		Oh, there's so much.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Just a program note.
		We have confirmed that Limbaugh did a bunch of his show on the MIAC Missouri Report demonizing conservatives and gun owners.
		The state police reports the feds put out demonizing conservatives.
		Mac did a whole hour last night on Fox on it.
		This story we broke last week has just gone huge.
		Another story that is massive comes to us from the head of the American Legion, the largest veterans association here in the United States.
		And the website is legion.org.
		They really need no introduction.
		We have Commander David K. Rabin on with us.
		He met with the president on Monday.
		CNN and others reported that they were saying that they wanted to basically make the troops have their own insurance and pay for their own medical care instead of going to the VA. So joining us is Commander David K. Rabin, head of the American Legion.
		Sir, thanks for taking time out.
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the opportunity this afternoon, sir.
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
		Give us some background.
		You're meeting with the President, and now it looks like they're backing off.
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		Well, this issue really came to light about three weeks ago, while some testimony was being given in front of the House Veterans Affairs Committee.
		We didn't expect that it was that serious an issue at that point, but we did think it was serious enough that a dozen veteran service organizations got together and jointly wrote a letter to the President opposing this idea.
		Thinking that maybe it wouldn't go very much farther, but then we were all invited to a meeting at the White House last Monday afternoon, and that's when we discovered that this truly was a serious proposal.
		The administration, and at that meeting was the President himself, his Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, VA Secretary Eric Shinseki, and a representative from the Office of Management and Budget.
		At that meeting, they told us that they had identified $540 million that they thought could be recouped back into the VA by billing private insurance carriers for treatment of service-connected disabilities.
		At that point...
		And I want everybody to understand that the President didn't...
		The President never threatened to cut off treatment.
		This was simply a method of how that treatment would be paid for, whether by the government or by private insurance.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That would certainly start a big precedent towards that, though.
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		It would start us down a road that we didn't want to go.
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		The organizations all felt, every one of us, that the government has a fundamental responsibility, not just to provide that treatment, but there shouldn't be any There shouldn't be any financial burden borne by the veteran or by the veteran's family for that treatment.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, they're going to raise insurance rates on them if the insurance companies learn that insuring a veteran separately that they're going to have to pay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, come on.
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		Insurance premiums would go up.
		There are annual and lifetime caps, maximums on the benefits that are paid.
		One of the things we're really concerned about is once that maximum benefit cap is reached, Then the entire family loses their health insurance coverage for the rest of the year.
		And with the state of the military right now, many of our military people are married, many of them are parents, and the last thing we need to do is to have more young children out there uninsured.
		That's just not acceptable.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And then there's the added load of this on the entire insurance system, the type of catastrophic injuries associated with military service.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		As you just said, this would bankrupt the entire family's cap very quickly.
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		Very quickly.
		Very quickly.
		When you start to talk about the state-of-the-art prosthesis, and we expect state-of-the-art prosthesis for those folks that have undergone amputations, loss of limbs, you know, those costs are very high.
		And then on top of those two, there's also the effect on the employability of the veteran himself and what the And the effect on the company if this disabled veteran is running his own small business.
		There's just way too many dangers here to take a chance on implementing this proposal.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I didn't think of that.
		We're talking to the commander of the American Legion, David K. Rabin.
		I didn't think of that.
		Businesses guaranteed, if they knew, I'm going to take a veteran on with a job who's going to have huge insurance costs on our whole plan, with small businesses especially, that would prejudice people against hiring veterans.
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		It certainly would.
		It certainly would.
		We think that if a veteran walked into the business, even if he was the most qualified, that might be the deciding factor as to who gets the job.
		Just the potential effect on the employer's insurance costs.
		No, go right ahead.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You're in the meeting with the President.
		He was trying to...
		Who was doing the selling?
		The President or his Chief of Staff, Emanuel, or was it Shinseki?
		Who was pushing this in the meeting?
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		All of the discussion at the meeting, the primary discussion came from the President.
		Chief of Staff Emanuel carried part of the discussion.
		The VA Secretary, General Shinseki, said very little during the meeting.
		He was present, but there wasn't much discussion coming from the General.
		The thing that did surprise us, and disappointed us, frustrated those of us from the veterans organizations, the president did not wish the discussion, and he stopped the discussion a couple of times, from addressing that fundamental responsibility of the government to take care of not only to provide the treatment, but to pay for it.
		The discussion focused strictly on the money, on the financial aspects, and where the money was going to come from.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So I'm getting from what you're saying, he didn't want to be on record, uh, seconding the fact that the military's always been promised continual health care, and when you were saying, you support that, don't you, Mr. President, he was non-committal?
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		That's, yes.
		A couple of the folks in the meeting tried to address that issue, and that discussion came to a Came to a halt very quickly at the President's request.
		strictly the focus on the money aspect.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That is outrageous.
		So he was dehumanizing the issue away from the troops.
		I mean, that is outrageous.
		So that clearly gives us a bird's eye view into the mind of where they're trying to take policy.
		Any other little interesting pieces of intelligence from the meeting, sir?
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		No, not from that one in particular.
		We did.
		There was...
		There was the suggestion made that if the organizations, if the organizations did not agree with this, if we were strongly opposed, that if the organizations would make some other suggestions as to where this money could be, could be either saved or additional sources of income, that the administration was willing to listen to those.
		That left us a little uneasy, left me a little uneasy, because I don't see it as the responsibility of the veterans organizations to Partner with the government in making those kinds of plans.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You're lobbying an organization, a fraternal organization, guardians of the veterans.
		And what you're saying, I don't want to put words in your mouth, is that there was an attempted co-opting going on here, a little bit of stroking to get you to, quote, help them.
		I mean, will Obama cut, you know, four or five smart bombs out of the budget?
		That's your 500 million.
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		I think that's, I think, I think there's some I think that's an accurate assessment of what was going on.
		What they were asking for was strictly ideas based on veterans health care and the VA and there's a couple of them out there.
		The American Legion has advocated for a long time that we don't see why a Medicare eligible veteran that's going to the VA medical centers for non-service connected treatment, why Medicare should not be able to be billed and to bring some money back into the VA that way.
		We think there'd be new money Yeah, and that's government money to begin with, So I don't see the problem with that.
		We don't either.
		We've advocated that position for, oh, I would say probably somewhere between five and ten Yeah, that's more money!
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That's more options for better care for the troops.
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		Yes. Yes.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Any other key points that were going on in this meeting?
		And then we'll go into Chapter 2 here in the time we have left with the head of the VA who's nice enough to join us here.
		Anything else in the meeting that people should be made aware of?
		And was there anything good that you agreed with that the President or Chief of Staff said?
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		Only that the President was very clear that there would be treatment for these people.
		That there was never any doubt.
		That treatment for service-connected disabilities would happen in the VA medical care system, and it would be very good treatment.
		The President, Vice President Biden, and Mrs. Obama have all been very clear about how much they care about the military and the military's families, so he wanted us to understand that there was never any question about whether or not treatment would happen in the VA.
		It would.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But it would take it away from their families with the cap.
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		That possibility exists, yes.
		There was some discussion of a test program, a pilot program, in maybe two states to see what the effect would be on premiums and lifetime caps and employability.
		But frankly, those of us in the organization, myself as commander of the American Legion, I'm not willing to take that risk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, we know what they're doing.
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		Those veterans that have service-connected disabilities, They and their families have sacrificed enough.
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		We don't need to run a test program and run the risk that they would be sacrificing even more to find out things that we're pretty sure would be going to happen.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, we know that's a government trick all over the world to just say it's a test to kind of kill opposition, and then they roll it out saying, oh, our tests worked great, now we're going to do it.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yep.
		And you've seen things studied and studied and studied.
		The study never seems to get over.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		What was his body language?
		He was saying, hey, I don't want to talk about this being a right or something, not wanting to commit to that, but then saying I won't take their health care away.
		Sounds like doublespeak.
		How was he trying to co-opt or get you guys what it sounds like to sell out to veterans in a way to help me cut their benefits somehow or help me save this money somehow?
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was...
		I'm not good at reading body language.
		I don't dare give an interpretation there because there's a chance that I might be mistaken.
		But he was very clear this was about the money.
		Can you as organizations come up with ways to help supply this money?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir, we've got a break for a quick break come back with five more minutes with you to talk about the good news from talking to the Congress and now with a new statement today by Gibbs the White House Press Secretary, they're claiming they're backing off of this for now,
unidentified		so we'll finish up with the head of the American Legion, Commander David K. Rabin.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for joining us.
		Commander David K. Raymond of the American Legion is on with us.
		I just can't believe they're trying to nickel-and-dime veterans treatment when we have a trillion-plus dollar defense budget.
		And they're not worried about trillions to the private banks, but it's just amazing.
		Your thoughts on that, and then the good news that they are backing off this plan, sir.
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		There was an invitation back into the White House yesterday.
		The President could not be there.
		He had prior commitments, but Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel led that meeting.
		to bring the veterans organizations back in.
		We've all expressed our opposition.
		The American Legion put out a very strong press release, and we've been talking about it for the two days, expressing our opposition and involving the citizens and our membership around the country.
		At that meeting, which only lasted about 15 minutes, the Chief of Staff received the opinions of the veterans organizations, the opposition, and made the Made the promise that he would consult with the President and be back with an answer yesterday afternoon.
		When that answer came back to us, it was that the President was withdrawing that proposal.
		We also heard that coming from Speaker of the House Pelosi and House Appropriations Chairman Chet Edwards.
		They both made the statement that this proposal had been withdrawn and would not be withdrawn.
		Involved in the budget for this coming fiscal year, which was very good news.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But the issue is that they're proposing it.
		It shows the mindset, as you said.
		What was the...
		I mean, I know the outrage was here that we saw on the internet and the phone calls we got to the radio show.
		I mean, did this issue, on a scale of 1 to 10, how hot did veterans get and veteran supporters over this?
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I think from the people we were hearing from, I would put it up around the 8 to 9. This, you know, this really...
		When you tell people that have worn the uniform in the United States about this idea, you get about two-thirds of the way through the description of what's being discussed here, and the head starts to shake, no, right, just that quickly.
		Because they understand this fundamental responsibility.
		They understand the reason that those folks were injured.
		Uh, why they're coming home with that disability and they understand that fundamental responsibility is not to be, not to be trifled with.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Plus, they were promised.
		They were promised.
		They signed contracts saying this.
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		Yes. Yep.
		Exactly. Exactly.
		So that's a, that's, it, it hits very high on the radar screen when you start to talk about it with the, with the members of our organization, with the veterans around the country.
		And, you know, And frankly, with a large percentage of the population around this country, even those that haven't been closely involved with the military.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Does this...
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Did this put a chink, do you think, in the Obama administration's image with veterans who are already in a lot of areas not too pleased with him?
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		Well, it certainly didn't help.
		We in the American Legion have been very pleased the last couple of years about budgets.
		We're very happy with the With the budget request that the president has put in, all we've seen is the bottom line number there.
		We don't know the details, so we're looking for the details.
		We're anxious to see them, but we've been very pleased with the bottom line number.
		But yes, this could go a long way to hurt what tends to be a favorable first impression, in my mind.
		That was one of the things that was said by one of the other All right.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, Commander David K. Rabin of the American Legion, probably the biggest veterans organization, not just in the U.S., but on the planet, and the website is Legion.org, Legion.org.
		And we appreciate you not being a lapdog.
		So many other groups that represent people have been kind of seduced in to all these hundreds of meetings they've been having, trying to co-opt everybody.
		And so we're really glad to hear that you and you're saying the other veterans groups that were with you, that none of them were rolling over to this first seduction Well, I would call it a corruption into the White House machinery, so we commend you, Commander David K. Rabin, for that.
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, and it was very good to see so many of our colleagues in the organizations feeling the same way.
		That wasn't an absolute necessity.
		We in the American Legion will form our opinion and we'll act on it based on what we think is right.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right, Commander, thank you so much for spending time with us, and keep up the good work.
david k rehbein ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, sir.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		All right, folks, so shut that down for now, but they'll be back.
		Coming up, we're going to probably have a state police officer on the MIAC report.
		I'm going to get into the latest banking scandals.
		It is big and another black eye for the White House.
		It is all coming up, ladies and gentlemen.
		So please stay with us.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We are back live, ladies and gentlemen.
		We've got Stuart Rhodes from Oath Keepers.
		It's a group of police and military saying they're going to uphold their oath to defend and protect the Constitution from enemies, foreign and domestic.
		So much is going on during the break, so I forgot to ask my producer a question.
		Come on in, Rob.
		We're on the air.
		Is the state police officer coming on in the next ten minutes?
		I haven't confirmed.
		Did you call him back?
unidentified		That's what I was in the process of doing.
		I was talking with somebody else called in.
		One of our next guests.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I understand the only hole we've got is in about 10 minutes.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Are you going to call him right now?
unidentified		Right. Yep.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate that.
unidentified		It's war room in here as I was saying earlier.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to go ahead here in just a few minutes and go live at PrisonPlanet.tv and so I can play the video that has resurfaced.
		Again, I used to have about two people working for me at the time.
		in 2001 and I would just do the live TV shows and then we've got warehouses well not warehouses three portable buildings filled with videotapes rotting of all these TV shows and all these reports I did locally and this is this video went viral all over the internet I was I put it up for free on my server got a $4,000
		bill for it and had to pull it Actually crashed our servers, then I got a $4,000 bill, and I learned that I couldn't put videos out for free.
		This was back in 2001.
		And it's up on InfoWars.com, payoff of anti-gun testimony caught on tape.

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